Covid Paralysis vs Covid Management

Submitted by Richard Petko

The past two weeks has seen a national pause and a furtherance of the pause. What are the actual goals of the pause? What are the goalposts for re-opening? What are the goals for tourism? These are all valid questions and I think they should be asked and answered. Before answering it is pertinent to see what other Caribbean jurisdictions which are considered as world class as Barbados are doing.

Barbados Population 285,000

  • Cases daily 30-60
  • Masks – everywhere
  • Curfew – 7pm to 6am
  • Schools – closed
  • Economy – mostly shut down, supermarkets open M-F 8-4
  • Activity – Beaches and parks 6-9am
  • Tourism – PCR test to enter, antigen test at airport, 5 day hotel room quarantine, test followup
  • Airlift International – 3-5 flights per day
  • Positive Covid on Island – Residents & Tourists sent to government isolation facility for indefinite period of time no matter what their symptoms

Costa Rica Population 5 million

  • Cases daily 300-450
  • Masks – indoors
  • Curfew – None
  • Schools – Open
  • Economy – Open – everything open
  • Activity – everything open
  • Tourism – NO PCR test required of anyone
  • Airlift International – 20-23 daily flights
  • Positive test In Country – isolate at home, only sick people go to hospital

Aruba Population 105,000

  • Cases daily 20-50
  • Masks – indoors
  • Curfew – 11pm
  • Schools – Open
  • Economy – Open – everything open
  • Activity – Everything open
  • Tourism – PCR test required 72 hours old
  • Airlift International – 24-30 daily flights
  • Positive Test in Island – Tourist and Locals isolate at home, only sick people go to hospital

I think it is quite evident to see that in Costa Rica and Aruba we have governments that are managing Covid and the economy. They are not banning tourism and have come to the realization that Covid is an endemic respiratory virus that you should not be destroying your economy over. The per capita case numbers are the same in all 3 countries. It is the response that is clearly different.

It is probably shocking for many to see that you can fly to Costa Rica without a PCR test, that everything is open and somehow the country has not had a medical or economic collapse.

It is my opinion that this government is acting in an irrational panic rather than managing the issue. The country always praises its robust health care system, which has been bolstered by the arrival of 120 Cuban doctors and nurses. Harrison’s Point offers a large enough facility to house all the truly sick people from infection. I feel one of the biggest mistakes is taking every single sars-cov2 positive person into isolation. The data from studies in China and by the WHO now clearly show asymptomatic transmission of Covid is miniscule (roughly 3%). Needlessly putting an asymptomatic 37-year-old into isolation simply strains the resources of the facility. Not to mention the fact people are being taken away definitely makes them hesitant to go for tests or to share health information with others.

Barbados is better than this peripatetic response seen these past 2 weeks. Sars-Cov2 is here and is going nowhere. Locking up people in their houses until February 28th is not going to change anything.

It is time to do the following.

  • Open up the entire economy immediately
  • Open up all the schools to in-person teaching – this sacrifice of our children’s education over a respiratory virus will be the shame that will be focused upon in the history books
  • Open up tourism – Go with a 72 hour old PCR test on arrival. This is truly not needed as Covid is here and endemic, but for a couple of months it will appease a portion of the population. However, the point is there is no need to worry if 1 of 100 tourists arrives here with Covid when 5-10% of Bajans are testing positive for it.
  • Isolate only sick covid patients and focus health on them
  • Continue with a rapid rollout of the vaccination program, ensure enough vaccines arrive by the end of March for everyone who wants one to receive one.
  • Start a public campaign to truly educate people about the disease and the management plan
  • Encourage mask use indoors only – outdoor mask use is nonsense and everyone knows it, by dictating such a policy it discourages people to listen to the valid pronouncements of public health authorities
  • Stop this nonsense of stores and businesses testing their entire staff if someone tests positive for sars-cov2. If a supermarket in Florida has a positive test, they don’t shut down the market and test the 200 employees. It makes absolutely no scientific sense and actually has been discouraged by the covid task force. It should be mandated that it should not be done. This would be simple by not allowing the Beth Dos Santos Lab to process any tests from such establishments.

The above are simple and will lead Barbados out of this COVID situation much faster and more robust than any national pause.

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  • Anyone who wears a gas mask with an NBC filter or a half mask with filters against chemical exposure cannot contract COVID19. If our entire population wore such masks, our island would be COVID19-free from one second to the next.

    We should therefore ask ourselves first and foremost in the case of COVID19 patients why people are so negligent in contracting the disease. I exclude from this accusation all bedridden people in nursing homes and hospitals.

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  • ● / NEWS & COMMENT
    Roadmap out of lockdown: What’s the picture for hospitality?

    Scene Tiffin Box Team Eating
    LUCY TOMLINSON
    22 February 2021
    When can I go to the pub again and who with?

    PRIME Minister Boris Johnson addressed Parliament at 3:30 pm today (February 22) to confirm details of the Government’s plan to ease lockdown restrictions across England.

    Despite the slogan ‘data not dates’, dates were a key element of the announcement and data was thin on the ground.

    The plan followed a calendar structure with each date given as ‘no earlier than’ in each case. This is in case new variants change the course of the disease or make the vaccine less effective.

    There is a five-week gap between each stage: four weeks to collect data and one to collate the results and give businesses a week to prepare. All changes will affect the whole of the UK – there will be no return to the tier system.

    Outdoor hospitality to open in mid-April

    With Step 1 focusing on schools and limited outdoor mixing, the first reopening phase for bars, pubs and restaurants is during Step 2′. This stage is slated to come in ‘no earlier than’ April 12 – ideally placed for the start of the Easter holidays.

    Outdoor hospitality (which the headlines have referred to as ‘beer gardens’ for the last few weeks, though of course constitutes much more than that) can resume, as well children’s activities, weddings (15 people) and funerals (30 people), outdoor attractions, theme parks and all retail – all of which directly or indirectly bear on hospitality.

    The good news for pubs with outdoor space is that there will be no ‘substantial meal’ rule for alcohol consumption but it will be table service only.

    Indoor leisure such as gyms, libraries and community centres will also reopen but no mixing will be allowed here. Mr Johnson took the opportunity to make a self-deprecating comment about personal services such as hairdressers reopening at this time also.

    So-called ‘pilot events’ will begin in this phase also which is the tentative testing out of possibilities for larger events.
    Eating in back on the menu from mid-May

    All the people, so many people: You’ll be able to hang out in parks and gardens with your 30 closest pals from May 17th at the earliest. Indoors, the rule of six will return but there’s room for more at the table if they’re from only two households.

    This step is really the one for hospitality when all those venues not blessed with the luxury of outdoor dining and drinking space can welcome people through the doors again. The same rules for indoor numbers above will apply.

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  • Tiger was probably under the influence of something. Poor fellow had identity problems. The fact that he only went for droopy ass white women and plenty of them is all the evidence you need for that diagnosis.

    He has a hole in his soul that he tried to fill with sex with white women. Then the outraged white media found out, and, angry that he was fooping all their women (as usual) turned on him and labelled him a beast. They were also angry deep down inside that yet again, an inferior black man was beating the superior white man at his own special game that he had hitherto kept for himself.

    Poor Tiger with the identity crisis and the resulting hole in his soul bowed so low that he apologised to White America as though the consensual sex was rape. He apologised for doing what most white men in his position would do and often do – commit adultery and foop as many women as throw themselves at them.

    How was it their business? He is a golfer, not a priest! But oh dear… it was white women! How dare he!

    Poor Tiger needs therapy, and plenty of it. Then he needs to figure out who the hell he is and be happy with it.

    And he must stop trying to fit in with the RH white man! They are mostly rejoicing at his downfall anyway so that Phil Mickleson or whoever can claim to be the GOAT.

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  • Northern Observer,

    I know nothing about the person except what I gleaned from a quick internet search.

    His appearance out of nowhere and with such frequency, bombarding us with particular views aroused my suspicions.

    The internet confirmed some of my suspicions about his background and status and hence his likely perspective.

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  • RE If BAMP really cared they would have put together a massive medical team to review all the COVID studies, research and protocols various doctors have been using around the world to varying degrees of success to see how we can cheaply treat this COVID thing and open up the country.

    THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT SIR.
    OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR MANY SUCH STUDIES RESEARCH AND REGIMES HAVE BEEN PRESENTED ON BU BY MANY AND SUNDRY PERSONS

    I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU WHAT SHOULD BE DONE FOR DAYS AND WHY.

    ON DR DOUGHLINS BLOG LAST YEAR I EXPLAINED WHO THE HEAVY METAL CATIONS HE SUGGESTED ASSIST IN FIGHTING DISEASE

    ON DR DOUGHLINS ADVICE I HAVE MYSELF BEEN USING CHROMIUM IRON ZINC AND ALSO VIT D

    LATER IN THE YEAR FREEDOM MADE A POST ABOUT A US DR WHO WAS USING HEAVY METAL CATIONS ALONG WITH QUININE BECAUSE HYDROXYQUINOLONE WAS BANNED BY THE INJUDICIOUS ADVICE OF DR FALSY

    ON VIEWING THAT VIDEO MY WIFE AND I IMMEDIATELY STARTED, AND HAVE SINCE BEEN DRINKING QUININE DAILY

    THEY ARE JACKASSES ON THIS BLOG LAUGHING BECAUSE I SAID I WAS APPARENTLY EXPOSED TO COVID

    BUT IT DID NOT AFFECT ME BECAUSE OF MY PROPHYLACTIC USE OF THE ABOVE REGIMEN

    LATER A POST ON BU BY LADYBUG INDICATED THAT THE REASON DRS ALL OVER THE WORLD STARTED TO USE HYDROXYQUINOLONE BECAUSE THE MECHANISM OF ACTION FOR THIS ANTI MALARIAL IN COUNTERACTING CORONAVIRUSES WAS DOCUMENTED IN HARRISON’S TEXT BOOK OF MEDICINE

    THE ANSWERS HAVE BEEN GIVEN ON BU REPEATEDLY CRITICAL ANALYZER……AND VERY CLEARLY ALSO. DESPITE HAVING BEEN LAUGHED TO SCORN , I HAVE ALSO EXPLAINED HOW THESE HETEROCYCLICS PREVENT RNA PEPLICATION BY BLOCKING THE TRANSCRIPTION/TRANSLATION PROCESS, AND HOW THESE AGENTS ACT AS SCAVENGERS AND ANTIOXIDANTS.

    THAT IS A CHEAP REGIME THAT SHOULD BE FOLLOWED ALONG WITH VACINES

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  • Droopy ass white women???? lindsey and erin ???? but I think you have a chance of saving him from these sirens …because .he said he was a little bit stiff………..not a lot a bit stiff

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  • Great reggae music.
    I enjoyed the one with reference to Rome. Had me hooked even before I heard the artist.

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  • Yup! Droopy ass white women! Like wilting flowers.

    But hark! The vultures are circling! A whole damn press conference on Tiger’s car accident. Going on and on and on! Journalist’s going in for the kill!

    Really? Tiger is just a man, a golfer. Why all the fuss????

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  • CRITICAL WE HAVE A PENCHANT IN BARBADOS FOR LAUGHING AND IGNORING OUR VERY OWN, BUT E O DOUGHLIN WAS TELLING US HERE ON BU WHAT OTHERS STARTED TO DO LATER ON AND THE POST BY THE HATED AND DESPISED FREEDOM POST ON QUININE SENT ME TO REVIEW THE HETEROCYCLIC CHEMISTRY I LEARNED AT CAVE HILL YEARS AGO, AND I APPLIED IT EFFECTIVELY.

    SO I CAN SPEAK WITH AUTHORITY AND EMPIRICALLY ABOUT THE MATTER DESPITE THE SCORN POURED ON ME BY TWO STUPID SEMI ILLITERATES ON THIS BLOG.

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  • Watching NO destroy his reputation..

    Suggesting he pretends not to know the houses and places Lawson is talking about.

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  • Critical Analyzer

    @GP February 23, 2021 7:12 PM

    I beg to differ, BAMP needs to be made to feel it came from them and not some over-the-hill doctor like you or non-doctor like me that have been posting about those studies and success stories all the way back in March or April last year.

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  • Be thankful for Mia. Be thankful for what you got.
    Called all over NJ today to get the vaccine. My search was a failure….

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  • I don’t believe half of the stuff I read here, but I bought tonic water and take my vitamin D tablets.

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  • @plt – claiming one country handled covid over another and basing it on deaths or cases is the entire problem in this pandemic.

    The fact is a vast majority of your “death” data around the world are people who did not die OF Covid but With Covid.. A positive PCR test indicates you have a molecule or two or ten thousand of sars-cov2 in your body. That does not mean you are sick or even have
    Covid or even die from it. We see across the Western world deaths from nursing homes ranging from 60% to 85% of “deaths”.
    In canada or the usa or the EU when you go into an assisted care nursing facility you have on average 8 months to live. If you have had a stroke and have dementia and your brain is wasting away and have no immune system and catch the sars-cov2 and die 2 weeks later, you will have all of the above listed as well as covid as cause of death. However you did not die of Covid, you died because you were on your way out to put in plain terms.
    I can use my own 93 year old grandfather who went into a nursing facility following a heart attack and having late stage dementia. Guess what, he died within 3 months of entry – with the flu. However the flu was his companion on the way out, it was nowhere near his actual cause of death.
    Trust me when I say I value life dearly, believe it or not more dearly than others as I am anti-war and anti-violence in any way. That is why this Covid over-reaction fiasco pains me so much. Even if the 2.2 million people who died with Covid actually only died because of Covid, I would still say open society and open the economy because probably 10 times more people have died from starvation, missed vaccinations, missed medical diagnoses because everything was shut down to try and prevent this flu bug. Not to mention 200 million children have suffered a loss of education, as well as our university level cohort who are getting a shitty university level experience as well.

    This argument that everything is about a covid death and one covid death is a tragedy is pure hyperbolic rhetoric.
    You with your expansive knowledge should know and agree the recipe of life and society is more than one ingredient “no covid”

    When it comes to BAMP and a 14 day quarantine, the only place on the world where it has sort of worked is New Zealand and Australia. However, in those economies as well we see recessions (the first in australia in 25 years) and record unemployment rates. Many studies show unemployment is an actual cause of death by the way, so I can imagine that Australia’s unemployment rate going from 4% to 9% actually will cause death as well.
    Barbados is a lovely island of 280,000 people. It is dependent on tourism and visitors and always shall be. You can’t diversify an economy with such a small population base and zero natural resources; no matter how many wishes you or anyone on BU may have.
    With a 14 day quarantine you may as well say goodbye to the economy and start a massive emigration program to help the people leave and find jobs in functional economies.

    To conclude yes, I stick to my point that Costa Rica, Aruba, Jamaica, Colombia have all handled this situation better because they have handled all aspects better; and claiming that deaths as a percentage of population or cases are the one measuring stick that matters is completely wrong.

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  • the way things are going get gin for the tonic and a fishing rod so you dont have to stand in line at massey

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @RICHARD PETKO February 23, 2021 7:46 PM
    So do you admit that your statement “The per capita case numbers are the same in all 3 countries” was a lie, or was it just a mistake?

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  • CRITICAL ANALYSER

    I AM DEFINITELY NOT OVER THE HILL, SIR
    PERHAPS THESE YOUNGSTERS DONT READ BU
    THE FEW HERE THAT READ IT ARE SO BUSY SEEKING TO PULL YOU AND I DOWN, THAT THEY CAN NOT SEE CLEARLY.

    I HAVE SAT QUIETLY AND WATCHED FOR MOST OF THE YEAR. SAYING NOTHING WHILE ALL THE SMART ALECS BARKED AND BRAYED AND BRIMBLED ON.

    I THOUGHT SURELY THEY MUST BE SOME WISE PERSON SOME WHERE WITH VISION WHO COULD AND WOULD SEE THINGS CLEARLY

    BUT I GUESS SOMETHINGS ARE SPIRITUALLY REVEALED
    SUCH CLARITY WONT BE GIVEN TO DEMONS LIKE MR FALSY

    AND YET A PIECE OF SCUM ON BU TODAY INSULTED ME BY SUGGESTING THAT I FOLLOWED THAT IDIOT, AS IF THERE IS NOT A GOD IN HEAVEN TO GUIDE AND PROTECT ME, AND SHOW ME HOW TO USE MY TRAINING.

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  • @ Donna.

    I can say with absolute certainty ” all saltfish sweet.” Applies to droopy ass white women as well llol

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  • OH BTW CRITICAL I HAVE LONG NOT TAKEN BAMP SERIOUSLY OR EVEN BEEN A MEMBER

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  • Yank yank! Tee hee!

    Bare mock sport in de rumshop!

    Murdaaaah!

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @RICHARD PETKO February 23, 2021 7:46 PM
    I never claimed “that deaths as a percentage of population or cases are the one measuring stick that matters…” but they are an important basis of comparison because ALL the countries count deaths with covid as deaths from covid. That is well known and is not the issue here. All of the other countries you mention have suffered deep economic damage just as Barbados has, even the ones who are less dependent on tourism than Barbados. You made no effort to evaluate or compare this economic damage. The only things you compared were “the per capita case numbers” erroneously… and the ability to avoid the inconveniences of testing, quarantine, and reduced air traffic.

    The only possible conclusion that I can draw is that you place a greater value on your personal convenience than on other people’s lives, well being, or economic survival.

    In any case, because all of your arguments were based on the erroneous premise that “The per capita case numbers are the same in all 3 countries” it is obvious that you reach erroneous conclusions. In any logical argument garbage in results in garbage out.

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  • I leave PLT to argue with Petko. I scroll past.

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  • HANTS
    I THOUGHT THAT YOU FISHED FOR PIKE AND SALMON AND BASK
    I DID NOT KNOW YOU CAUGHT COD AND HADDOCK TOO

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  • Hants,

    For me sex is more than a wuk up and a brek. I know for most men it is different. I have heard the stories about women who were dissed in the day and dicked at night.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @RICHARD PETKO February 23, 2021 7:46 PM
    “You can’t diversify an economy with such a small population base and zero natural resources…”
    +++++++++++++++++
    Absolute Bullshit!! In fact Bajans have done so twice within my own lifetime. Firstly away from sugar cane monoculture to tourism, and then to global financial services in addition to tourism. There is not the slightest doubt that Bajans will do so again and again in coming decades and centuries.

    You must really have a terribly low opinion of us to think we could never manage what we have already accomplished.

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  • TheO,

    My father and mother have both been vaccinated. My younger brother took our mother and was vaccinated the same time. Line was moving smoothly.

    They are on at me to register because of my asthma. Sent me the link this morning. My thinking was that since I seldom venture out I could wait until the next cycle so that others who have to go out daily could be protected first. I’ll register tomorrow..

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  • “I have heard the stories about women who were dissed in the day and dicked at night.”

    I remember an old female rum drinker who was being publicly disrespected by a young man. The crowd ‘bawl’ when she looked him in the face and told him “Night has no eye”.

    He was the kind of guy that would hide and “do work”.

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  • @plt
    I see that my data has to be spot on for you. Let me then drill down. Yes aruba and Barbados currently and for the past 2-3 weeks have the same per capita case numbers. Notwithstanding even this can be changed by the difference in total tests made daily as we see Barbados has 61 positives instead of the 19 yesterday but today we had 850 tests and yesterday 375 or so.
    The past 3 weeks Barbados is averaging 45 cases daily. It’s hard to be exact because of the cockup with backlog tests.
    Aruba averages 20 cases daily. However Aruba actually has tourists who take a PCR test at the airport. So on Sunday for example Aruba had 19 cases but 8 were arriving tourists leaving us with 11 domestics. So yes more or less the magic metric of case numbers is the same per capita.
    I may not be as punctilious as yoiu in my proof reading or statistical roundup as you tend to be, but if you have not seen my point I shall make it simple. Cases don’t matter!
    I use cases to point out that be it 20 or 200 the fact is 99.99% of people have no negative medical result from Sars-Cov2 . However lockdown affects everyone in many more detrimental and dangerous and long term ways than covid.
    The government lauds the 60,000 care packages sent out, but guess what a kilogram of sweet potatoes doesn’t pay the rent or the flow bill or buys baby food.
    If you have found a magic formula that can make a country with 40% unemployment function then I think you should drive up to Illaro court or Sandiford centre or wherever the government is deliberating and tell them what to do. I can with 100% confidence enforcing a 14 day quarantine on all incoming visitors is not even close to the answer

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  • Of course we can diversify this economy and quickly if our leaders would just take off the myopic tourism glasses they have been wearing for the past 30 years.

    We could move in 6 months into both alternative energy and agriculture if we stop talking and acted. First we need to accept that a USD saved is a USD earned. Once that is done we can then move forward with the process of diversification.

    Regrettable our leaders seem bent on holding on to the embers of tourism with the hope that they will soon bear light again

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  • @PLT I live here and love it here and don’t have a low opinion of bajans. But don’t feed me this crap that the economy is diversified. Before covid the unemployment rate was 10% with another 10% being underemployed.
    I would actually argue that not focusing on the core competency which in Barbados case is the natural gift of weather is why Barbados doesn’t have full employment and instead is one of the most in debt nations in the world. Michael Porter proves that countries should develop “clusters” and not every cluster in the world but a cluster. The fact is you can’t compare the hotel product here to Cancun or Aruba or Bahamas or especially Dubai.
    Barbados should focus on tourism, short medium and long-term as well as your preferred WS. It should hyper focus on this. Wasting breath and effort on talking about diversifying an economy with 280 thousand people is economically a fairy tale.

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  • I am hibernating. Not as much as the man who was saying one thing on BU and doing another in Florida 😃

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  • @ Donna who wrote ” because of my asthma.”

    You and me have that in common. We could use our Advair and Ventolin ( AS ADVISED BY DR.GP )

    and try to discover the power of love..

    nuh doan mine me . I just dreaming. lol

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  • Another little circumstance brought on by quarantine.
    There is a company named Medilex which services 30% of Barbados high tech medical equipment such as a retinal scanner.
    Right now due to quarantine they are not sending a technician here. They will not send one or find a willing employee to go through the protocols here.
    Thus we have some high tech medical machines currently not in operation in Barbados. Unfortunately zoom or WhatsApp video do not suffice to repair a broken high tech device.

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  • Oh dear me! Just saw a Tiger Woods clip with Oprah where he told her how many golf clubs refused him entry and how many racial slurs he endured from the golf clubbers.

    The man is 45 years old. For those who dismiss our constant focus on race and our consideration of race as a factor in every situation, just think about when it was that a 45 year old man was denied entry to golf clubs on account of his race and suffered constant racial abuse when he did manage to get in.

    Was it the 70s? Was it the 80s? More likely the 90s!

    But that’s all done now, isn’t it?

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  • @plt concerning economic diversity
    We have a Canadian buying 400 acres looking to grow traditional and new crops.
    Claims he has 15 employees and at full production will have 40! Wow 40!
    If that 400 acres was a Las Vegas type hotel it would probably employ 2000!
    https://epaper.barbadostoday.bb/infinity/article_popover_share.aspx?guid=85239ae5-4aa5-40a3-bba3-b10292a9192b
    As you may know I am from Canada. Guess what we don’t grow Bananas or pineapple or okra or watermelon, we could, we could build massive greenhouses on 2000 acres and do it. But instead we have automobile manufacturing on that land and have 4000 people employed instead of the 50 the banana greenhouse might have. Dubai could do the same, they don’t. They get the most value from an acre of desert that they can.
    Job per acre is much higher with tourism as opposed to food production.
    It is a romantic old notion of this “food independence ” countries speak of. But other than the USA there probably isn’t a single food independent country on the globe. Weather matters

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  • @PK
    Perhaps diversification is the wrong word. Our small population makes it possible for us to transition from tourism to other sources of employment.

    It is not millions or hundreds of thousands that we need to find employment for. If only we could successfully identify a few new areas of employment.

    IT has to be one of those areas.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    RICHARD PETKO February 23, 2021 8:26 PM
    “… 99.99% of people have no negative medical result from Sars-Cov2.”
    +++++++++++++++
    This is arrant nonsense again. I will confess that yes indeed “data has to be spot” on for me, otherwise it is not data but lying with statistics. There is a world of difference between 99.99% and 97.78% (which is the statistical ratio of tracked global recoveries to deaths during the pandemic so far. The difference is a factor of over two thousand in the estimate of lethality. You can’t just throw around made up nonsense numbers like 99.99% and expect to be taken seriously.

    This does not even take into account that a significant percentage of people who survive covid have medical issues as a result of the infection.

    If you are going to propose public policy changes you owe it to yourself to get your basic facts and numbers right, otherwise you just come off as cranky and clueless.

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  • @RICHARD PETKO
    February 23, 2021 8:32 PM

    You are the voice of reason here on BU. By April at the latest, when enough people in Barbados have been vaccinated, we will have to return fully to tourism. The economic damage is already enormous.

    The real reason why many commentators on BU want a long quarantine and the withdrawal from tourism is obvious: they want to establish some kind of tropical nationalist-socialist state, crossbreed of Zimbabwe, Nazi Germany and North Korean Chuch’e ideology. The same people who lament when the black masses without tourists have to work on the plantation again because of poverty.

    Anyone who dies of COVID19 despite vaccination must accept this as a general risk of life. COVID19 is not a medical problem, but a psychological problem under tropical conditions like barbados. A comparison: We do not lock up all native men because they tend to be violent compared to Northern Europe, Singapore and Japan, if we believe the murder statistics. Or should we? If we follow our quarantine Taliban, we would have to lock them up until they proved their non-dangerousness. Not that anyone misunderstands me: That is an argumentum ad absurdum. As usual.

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  • @PK
    I am beginning to like you.

    400 acres is 0.625 square miles. That is a significant amount of land in an island that is 166 square miles. No foreigner should be allowed to buy that quantity of land in Barbados.

    I also like your point about employment numbers.

    If we have foreigners buying large tracts of land and employing one or two persons to work that land. I would hate to see what the island would like in a few years. We are marching towards that South Africa abandon.

    NB: our limestone cannot accommodate high rise buildings. If you continue to sell large tracts of land, you will bypass the South African model as some will have to live in caves.

    Fuck your literacy rate; open your eyes.

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  • Four days ago, the authorities stated that no walk-ins will be accommodated yet many people without appointments tell me they went and got the vaccine, after those with appointments, were given the vaccine. This ‘news’ will spread and we will be back to the large crowds outside the Polyclinics!

    Meanwhile, I still await the call to inform me of my appointment, after registering over a week ago ….. and I am just a few months from 70 years old….. but how do I check if I am even on the List???

    Confused!

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  • That mad woman Wura is right.

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  • Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV

    “The fact is a vast majority of your “death” data around the world are people who did not die OF Covid but With Covid.. A positive PCR test indicates you have a molecule or two or ten thousand of sars-cov2 in your body. That does not mean you are sick or even have
    Covid or even die from it.”

    @ Richard Petko This “interpretation” is based on a lack of understanding how this virus kills and is contributing to why this virus is not being taken seriously.
    I will use the AIDS analogy (sort of). HIV doesn’t kill you. HIV causes AIDS which causes you to die from other infections. The SARS-Cov2 virus causes Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). In this case, the COMORBIDITIES(IN MOST PEOPLE) along with age, is what causes a depressed immune system. Unlike HIV, the Sars virus directly attacks the lungs and other organs. Sars-Cov2 kills you faster with a depressed immune system. With these deaths, it is a case that even with NCDs you would be alive WERE IT NOT for the SARS-Cov2 infection. If you catch Covid-19 it is a race between the virus causing disease and the immune system catching up to stop it. In most people the immune system eventually catches up with varying side effects. A vaccine helps the immune system catch up even faster.

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  • @ks

    Why wait, go to the nearest clinic tomorrow morning.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @RICHARD PETKO February 23, 2021 8:44 PM
    I am also Canadian, but I know diversifying the Bajan economy does not mean that it will resemble the Canadian one that is 350 times as big. I also know that agriculture will never again employ a large fraction of the Bajan workforce because in order to be efficient agriculture will be mechanised and computerised.

    However we are perfectly capable of creating new sectors of the economy that employ 5,000 or more people and earn hundreds of millions of USD. Making such a transition is not nearly as hard as those entrenched defenders of the status quo insist. For example the tourism industry directly employed about 15,000 people before the pandemic, although some of those were seasonal. In order to prop up the hotel owners (think election campaign contributions) the Barbados government found $300 million to help them through tough times. Stupid move. They could simply have used the same $300 million to pay each and every hotel worker a $20,000 over a year in which they could retrain for opportunities like photovoltaic installations, repair and maintenance (that sector is begging people to train and work for them). Bingo! The unemployment rate stays at its historical level, and the growth of import replacement energy sources gets a big boost. The only thing standing in the way is our traditional political corruption.

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  • @ksFebruary 23, 2021 9:09 PM

    Our vaccination system is not bureaucratic, but flexible. This allows us to speed up the process. Soon we will even have overtaken Israel and Great Britain. My friends in New York and Zurich are just enthusiastic about the rate of vaccination on our island. I would not be surprised if soon tourists come to get vaccinated here.

    Thank you, Most Honourable Prime Minister Mia Mottley!

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    @David February 23, 2021 9:15 PM

    Please don’t encourage ks to go down there in the hot sun and collapse waiting in a line.

    Government needs to get this fiasco right and it is very simple to do. Do not vaccinate at the polyclinics, only at schools or other non-medical facilities. Strict appointments ONLY policy with guards at the front gate turning away persons not on the list.

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  • “Stupid move. They could simply have used the same $300 million to pay each and every hotel worker a $20,000 over a year in which they could retrain for opportunities like photovoltaic installations, repair and maintenance (that sector is begging people to train and work for them). Bingo! The unemployment rate stays at its historical level, and the growth of import replacement energy sources gets a big boost. The only thing standing in the way is our traditional political corruption.”

    stupid sell out leaders, they even deprived the hotel workers of compensation/severance, them and the tiefing hoteliers….these 2 legged snakes just don’t want to see the majority Black population free and independent…and for that we will have to very closely monitor them….these times call for that…they are on watch and need to come to grips with the truth that they’re not a 1/4 as intelligent as they believe themselves to be…there will be NO reintroduction of slavery UNLESS it’s on the world stage show.. ..let everyone see the actors in living color.

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  • Again Richard Petko is suggesting more death for Bajans and their visitors. He quotes data from Florida, Costa Rica, and Aruba.

    The death rates from Covid19 for those places :
    Florida, 1390 deaths per million
    Aruba 663 deaths per million
    Costa Rica 543 deaths per million
    Barbados 108 per million

    If we follow Petko’s advice and acted as Florida has done we would have about 350 deaths by now.
    If we follow Petko’s advice and acted as Aruba has done we would have about 170 deaths by now.
    If we follow Petko’s advice and acted as Costa Rica has done we would have about140 deaths by now.

    Richard Petko may be comfortable with the deaths of an additional 32 to 242 primarily black and brown people. I am not.

    I suggest that Richard Petko be Covid19 death number 33. I am very, very comfortable with that.

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  • @RICHARD PETKO February 23, 2021 8:49 AM “a doctor or epidemiologist looking through their highly focused lens on ONE outcome – no covid”

    Nobody has suggested no covid.

    Everybody has suggested minimising covid.

    We have a limited number of ventilators. What happens when people begin to need ventilators and there are none? Do we pull Richard Petko off his ventilator?

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  • @Sargeant February 23, 2021 2:46 PM “When John gets an idea in his head it becomes an obsession…Now the latest about water borne COVID, he is wasting his talent here he should send his findings to every scientific publication or the many scientists doing research on the subject, they would welcome another brilliant mind to the herd.”

    Because John was brilliant at 17 it does not mean that he is brilliant at 67. You know don’t you that some of us at 67 are being diapered and spoon fed in nursing homes.

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  • Cuhdear BajanFebruary 23, 2021 11:54 PM

    @Sargeant February 23, 2021 2:46 PM “When John gets an idea in his head it becomes an obsession…Now the latest about water borne COVID, he is wasting his talent here he should send his findings to every scientific publication or the many scientists doing research on the subject, they would welcome another brilliant mind to the herd.”

    Because John was brilliant at 17 it does not mean that he is brilliant at 67.

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    First of all I am not 67!!!

    Then of course there is Einstein who got brillianter with age and of course there is Trump, a stable genius at 74, a year younger than Einstein!!

    And then I don’t have to share my ideas with scientific publications, they support them!!

    Here is the evidence which I have posted before that supports my ideas!!

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7528884/

    Abstract
    The presence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in water and wastewater has recently been reported. According to the updated literature, the stools and masks of the patients diagnosed with coronavirus disease (COVID-19) were considered as the primary route of coronavirus transmission into water and wastewater. Most coronavirus types which attack human (possible for SARS-CoV-2) are often inactivated rapidly in water (i.e., the survival of human coronavirus 229E in water being 7 day at 23 °C). However, the survival period of coronavirus in water environments strongly depends on temperature, property of water, concentration of suspended solids and organic matter, solution pH, and dose of disinfectant used. The World Health Organization has stated that the current disinfection process of drinking water could effectively inactivate most of the bacterial and viral communities present in water, especially SARS-CoV-2 (more sensitive to disinfectant like free chlorine). A recent study confirmed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA was detected in inflow wastewater (but not detected in outflow one). Although the existence of SARS-CoV-2 in water influents has been confirmed, an important question is whether it can survive or infect after the disinfection process of drinking water. To date, only one study confirmed that the infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 in water for people was null based on the absence of cytopathic effect (CPE) in infectivity tests. Therefore, further studies should focus on the survival of SARS-CoV-2 in water and wastewater under different operational conditions (i.e., temperature and water matrix) and whether the transmission from COVID-19-contaminated water to human is an emerging concern. Although paper-based devices have been suggested for detecting the traces of SARS-CoV-2 in water, the protocols and appropriate devices should be developed soon. Wastewater and sewage workers should follow the procedures for safety precaution against SARS-CoV-2 exposure.

    Keywords: COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, Coronavirus, Enveloped virus, Sewage, Wastewater

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  • Therefore, further studies should focus on the survival of SARS-CoV-2 in water and wastewater under different operational conditions (i.e., temperature and water matrix) and whether the transmission from COVID-19-contaminated water to human is an emerging concern.

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    We accept it is in sewage.

    We accept it is in wastewater derived from sewage.

    We accept waste water is treated to become drinking water by removal of most impurities so that it meets WHO standards.

    Therefore COVID has to be in drinking water.

    If we can accept it can jump from Bats to Humans then it is clear that it may also jump from drinking water to Humans.

    QED

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  • Incidentally, the “desal” plant treats waste water, sea water and fresh water, all of which are mixed together.

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  • Once COVID is present in Drinking water it will be consumed by anyone who drinks it and excreted once again back into the sewage and thus back into the drinking water.

    Depends on how long it survives in water.

    Which as the scientific paper above shows is an emerging concern.

    I can’t help it if I am on the cutting edge, it is a gift from God!!

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  • @peterlawrencethompson February 23, 2021 5:51 PM “@RICHARD PETKO
    I am puzzled by you decision to critique the way Barbados has handled the pandemic by citing comparative examples which have done a worse job: Costa Rica and Aruba. TheOGazerts pointed this out to you ten hours ago but I have yet to see you address the matter.”

    @Richard Petko “If a supermarket in Florida has a positive test, they don’t shut down the market and test the 200 employees.”

    Florida’s death Covid 19 death rate is 13 times higher than Barbados’. Their infection rate is about 9 times than Barbados’ I shudder to think how we would cope if instead of 758 people in isolation, we had 6650 people in isolation, and even if only 1% of those people required ventilation do we have 66 ventilators? do we have enough staff to ensure 3 shifts of trained people to operate the ventilator? In the USA and in Canada too if there is a problem a patient can be driven across state or provincial borders for assistance. How much does it cost to medevac a person from Barbados? How much does it cost? How long does it take? Who pays?

    The supermarket workers who are dying in Florida are very likely poor black and brown immigrants. I doubt very much that they are supermarket owners who can afford to hide on their large estates. Just like our GP was able to remain indoors in Florida.

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  • There will then be a reservoir of COVID available to infect, or not humans again and again.

    We are told by the scientists that if can spread from humans to humans hence the need to wear masks.

    If humans are being continually being infected by COVID now resident in the sewage and ergo, drinking water, then it will never go away.

    … unless we make it and one way of so doing is by the use of UV.

    But then we were told that already by a stable genius!!

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  • Petko also referenced Columbia

    Colombia has 1,154 Covid19 deaths per million; and 43,596 infections per million
    Barbados has 108 Covid19 deaths per million; and 9,916 infections per million

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  • … and Dominica has 0 (zero) deaths!!

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  • John, sadly neither you nor I nor any of the BU denziens are Einsteins, so let’s not fool ourselves,ok?

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  • https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/05/03/can-covid-19-coronavirus-live-in-water-what-about-drinking-water-and-swimming/?sh=193c21984360

    It looks like the COVID-19 coronavirus may be able to live in water for a few days, potentially even a few weeks. There is a big but, though. And you’ll like this big but. Just because a virus can survive in water doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s present in large enough concentrations to infect you.

    Is this situation a bit like a teenager pointing out a few hairs on his face and then claiming that it’s a beard? There actually has to be enough hairs to make it a beard. When you can still count the number of hairs, it’s not a beard, unless, of course, the hairs are really, really long and very, very curly.

    Similarly, consider what is known about the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in water. Indeed studies have suggested that the SARS-CoV2 could actually hang out in the wet stuff for a little while. For example, a study published in the journal Water Research in 2009 found that two viruses that have similarities to the original SARS virus, the transmissible gastroenteritis (TGEV) and mouse hepatitis (MHV) viruses, could survive up to days and even weeks in water. The University of North Carolina team (LisaCasanova, William A.Rutal, David J.Weber, and Mark D.Sobsey) that conducted the study concluded that “coronaviruses can remain infectious for long periods in water and pasteurized settled sewage, suggesting contaminated water is a potential vehicle for human exposure if aerosols are generated.”

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  • Dominica has a vibrant agricultural industry, significantly supported by much higher rainfall and much better soil.

    Dominicans have not been seduced into eating “tourist food” Dominicans eat what they grow.

    Dominica does not receive as many tourists per capita as Barbados. Most of their tourists come by ship and the ships have mostly stopped sailing months ago. I was hearing just today that there are 400,000 sailors stuck at sea. Not sailing their ships anywhere The big cruise liners are not moving, we all know that.

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  • … and Dominicans are fit fit fit, have to be to walk the hills!!

    At least they used to be!

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  • Clarke: Vaccines only solution
    by BARRY ALLEYNE barryalleyne@nationnews.com
    THE FIRST QUARTER of the year has been described as a complete disaster for business in Barbados.
    And, not even the scheduled reopening of the economy next week will lead to an immediate change in economic fortunes, says president of the Barbados Private Sector Association (BPSA), Edward Clarke.
    Barbados has been on a “national pause” from February 3, initially for two weeks, followed by a twoweek extension that is set to end on February 28.
    Revenue loss
    Clarke said that even before then, retailers outside the distribution and food sectors were aware that 2021 would be a wash from a revenue perspective.
    “Most of the businesses in Barbados have had zero income for the year. January was quite weak in terms of revenue, which was down by more than 20 per cent when compared to last year in pre-COVID times. And now with the pause, business is still down significantly. Even though we don’t have the numbers yet, we know that the first quarter will be down significantly. The first quarter has been a disaster for Barbados,” Clarke said.
    He said people needed to understand that all businesses, big and small, had kept their staff in place for the most part since last year while no money was coming in, adding this could only continue for so long, even if the national pause is removed next week.
    “Businesses have not let go staff, and we all know that overhead costs in Barbados are very high,” Clarke added.
    “You can’t have a lockdown and it not impact business. It’s had a huge impact on Barbados the last two weeks,” he added.
    Clarke is far from optimistic
    about a change in fortunes in the short-term, even if the country reopens next week.
    “It won’t start back next week. We have nothing to start back the economy next week. What we really need to see is a stimulus in the economy,” he added.
    He said Barbados’ economic future now depended on people’s willingness to be vaccinated against the COVID-19 virus, which would allow the workforce to return to normal and the country to restart its economic engine.
    “We need to see the vaccine programme fully adopted, where Barbadians are in a better position to not get COVID-19. It would also help our tourism product if we could present Barbados as a COVID-safe market. We need to be able to get our people back to work in freedom and people back out in public socialising and spending money at the various establishments,” he added.
    Clarke said the economy would remain at a standstill if people did not feel free to leave their house and go out to spend.
    ‘Still afraid’
    “The economy has dried up on us and people are still afraid. That will only change if Barbadians are willing to be vaccinated. Barbadians have got to be prepared to accept that right now vaccines are the only solution in this crisis to keep them living,” he said.
    Clarke said vaccination could lead to an improved lifestyle in the next 12 months, noting that how safe any vaccine was, would always be a debate.
    “But that’s not the point. The point is that the vaccines are much safer than having COVID-19. We need to get back to some sense of activity and not with people behind closed doors locked up in their homes. That is not the Barbados we know.”
    The veteran businessman said he was not comfortable Barbados could withstand the status quo much longer.
    “I’m not optimistic the economy will pick up in the very near future. That will only happen with the restart of the capital works programme.
    We have to get construction back up and get some of the private sector projects and renewable energy projects going; the Government’s capital works programme back underway because that will certainly get some people back to work and have some money circulating in the economy for the good of Barbados,” he added.
    He said the re-start of such projects was paramount, based on how long businesses had been holding tight.
    “We can’t do it for much longer,” Clarke said.

    Source: Nation

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  • BCCI: Lockdown suspense hurting businesses
    by COLVILLE MOUNSEY colvillemounsey@nationnews.com
    AS BARBADIANS WAIT with bated breath to learn whether the country will be reopened on Monday after a month long lockdown to mitigate the spread of COVID-19, the Barbados Chamber of Commerce and Industry (BCCI) is warning that many in the business sector are seriously struggling to cope with the uncertainty.
    Painting a picture of a business community that is unsure of its footing as it relates to the current lockdown and other possible future “national pauses”, BCCI president Trisha Tannis said along with job losses, investments were likely to be a major casualty of this uncertainty.
    She argued that while much would depend on capital and access to finance, many businesses were now planning for the worst-case scenario, which left no room for planning outside of the parameters of survival.
    She also noted that while any further extension of the lockdown was sure to have a deleterious impact on the sustainability of some sectors, the inability to plan was the issue that was keeping many business owners up at night.
    “Most companies would start the financial year by doing an assessment as best they could as to the various scenarios and likely outcomes. Uncertainty essentially cast a very negative shadow because what tends to happen is that these businesses would choose the worst-case outcome against which to plan. The worst possible outcome then triggers more difficult action, which may have permanent consequences,” said Tannis.
    She added: “Companies then dial back even further. Companies are not going
    to be willing to take action that they don’t know if they can recover from, this includes investment or divestment in particular models. It all comes down to the capital depth of a company, the options it has, the risk-appetite it has and access to cash flow. The uncertainty in Barbados and globally can be negated somewhat by communication and clarity.”
    No clarity
    The BCCI president said even the data garnered and shared with the public throughout the lockdown, which was originally set to run from February 3 to 17, but was later extended by 11 days, had provided no clarity for the business community as to whether this mitigation measure, had achieved the desired result.
    “The concern right now is where vulnerability of the spread is, which is in the four corners of persons’ homes and it is a space that Government cannot 100 per cent regulate. Therefore, it is a very difficult decision regarding how long we continue to keep the entire country lockdown for.”
    “…Operation Seek and Save has covered 90 000 households so far and we have gotten only a handful of positive COVID-19 cases but yet the cases that we are capturing come from normal contact tracing. How do you reconcile those two things? The only way we can is by deducing that we have primarily asymptomatic spread in Barbados, provided that everybody has been truthful on the survey. So there is a disconnect as to where the community spread is or what kind we have,” she said.
    Tannis joined with Executive Director of the Barbados Employers Confederation (BEC), Sheena Mayers-Granville in calling for the clarity as related to the metrices
    for reopening the economy. She said it should not be a wait and see exercise, where only Government was aware of indicators. Tannis said the country’s R-number and positivity rating ought to be published with the daily COVID-19 dashboard, to allow the business community and the public to plan accordingly.

    Source: Nation

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  • Holder:Business facilitation vital moving forward
    MICRO AND SMALL BUSINESSES continue to reel from the fallout of the COVID-19 pandemic and chief executive officer of the Small Business Association (SBA), Senator Lynette Holder us projecting a significant decline in the performance of small firms.
    She was also concerned about their ability to return to any break even position over the next 12 to 18 months.
    Holder said in January the organisation conducted an exploratory poll which targeted about 50 firms from a cross-section of economic areas to test the perception and attitudes towards the COVID-19 pandemic.
    “From that poll, micro and small firms are suffering. They are reeling from it. The exploratory poll suggested to us that 88 per cent of those polled indicated a significant drop in revenue, with 66 per cent feeling they could not satisfy operational costs going forward. As a result, 66 per cent are reducing their hours of operation, 42 per cent said they were reducing staff and a small percentage of 12 said they see closure of businesses within the next three months,” she revealed.
    However, Holder noted more than 50 per cent had adopted remote working as a strategy, with another 50 per cent utilising online delivery options to try to stay afloat.
    “For me, those two represented a little light because it said people are thinking how they could innovate. We’ve been pushing as
    an association the use of technology for some time. The fact that we’re seeing more firms going in the remote route and looking at digitalisation of the operation I thought was significant,” she said.
    Capital needed
    Holder noted 82 per cent said capital was needed within the next six to 12 months to keep them afloat. About 52 per cent said a moratorium on loans and rent would help, but wage support and technology were low on the pecking order.
    The CEO said they also looked at the impact on businesses from March 2020 to present and found that 62 per cent of those polled said their business had declined and were yet to recover.
    “That is a startling number who have not yet recovered from the last lockdown which was end of March into May last year and we were heading into a new lockdown in February. That is more than half of the people we polled who said they were still reeling from the first lockdown and hadn’t fully recovered. To me this has significant implications for the future,” she said.
    Make an effort
    However, Holder was hopeful that Government would focus on business facilitation going forward.
    “I would hope that every effort would be made on the part of Government to focus on business facilitation issues. Government don’t trade, it is the small firms that trade. Business
    facilitation in my view is going to be key in the next 12 to 18 months to try to facilitate firms to be able to trade and do business, so we can see some semblance of survival as we project and hope that in the next 24 months we can see some economic growth return to the country,” she explained.
    At the end of January, the SBA had 1 467 businesses registered, along with six group associations which represent cumulatively approximately 2 500 individual firms and people.
    (RA)

    Source: Nation

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  • ‘Avoid shaming’ over vaccine fears
    PEOPLE SHOULD NOT be shamed into taking vaccines in spite of the benefits such action may have in controlling a particular disease.
    This was the position of assistant professor in the department of health at Western Kentucky University, Dr Michelle Reece, who was a panellist on a webinar sponsored by the Sagicor Cave Hill of Business and Management entitled Debunking The Myth Of The COVID-19 Vaccine on Monday night.
    Clear information
    “There are those persons who have trust that the vaccines will work, that they are both efficacious and effective . . . . There is also vaccine confidence: people who are in the environment where we are trying to get the vaccines rolled out have accepted it and have questions answered,” Reece said. She said there was a need for clear, credible and timely information to offset any hesitancy coming from the public noting “opacity and blurriness” could cause some to be doubtful or mistrust the information they are receiving.
    “We also have to normalise fears and feelings and not minimise or dismiss people’s concerns about the issues of the vaccine. So where there is hesitancy, it means that people have certain fears about it . . . . We [must] avoid shaming.
    “We can’t shame people into healthy behaviour. It may work short-term, but it does not work long-term, and we have to empathise and understand that this is new. While we are accustomed to lining up our kids to get the vaccines before they go to school – that is also mass vaccination; mass vaccination of adults is brand new and so we have to understand this is a serious and real concern,” argued Reece.
    She also said equity was very important.
    Other panellists included executive director of the Caribbean Public Health Agency, Dr Joy St John; advisor – immunisations Caribbean subregion PAHO, Dr Karen Broome; senior lecturer in immunology at the University of the West Indies, Dr Kim Quimby; internist chairman of the Barbados Drug Formulary Committee, Dr Kenneth Connell; and Professor Justin Robinson, head of economics at UWI Cave Hill.
    Different concerns
    Head of Economics UWI Cave Hill Professor Justin Robinson noted that employers must understand the reasons why people were reluctant to take the vaccine.
    “. . . There seems to be a notion in some quarters that . . . ‘people are dying, the economy is suffering, so why don’t you go and get the vaccine and help us get back to normal’. And we know from many years of behavioural science . . . that human beings don’t make decisions that way,” he explained.
    He said different groups had different concerns, noting different messages would work for different groups.
    “For example, there is a lot of evidence in behavioural economics that fear is a very good tactic for getting people not to do something. So if you want people not to come outside and have a lockdown, sometimes fear works but when you want people to take an action sometimes fear is not the best motivator. You might need incentives to respond to that person. My advice to policymakers is to not take this for granted . . . you guys [the panellists] that getting consistent health care behaviour is very difficul . . . we should not assume that because we have a safe effective vaccine that people are going
    to use it. That is only part of the job and we need to understand that problem upfront and be prepared to use the full spectrum of techniques to get the maximum take-up of the vaccine,” advised Robinson. (JS)

    Source: Nation

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  • AND YET A PIECE OF SCUM ON BU TODAY INSULTED ME BY SUGGESTING THAT I FOLLOWED THAT IDIOT
    THEY ARE JACKASSES ON THIS BLOG LAUGHING BECAUSE I SAID I WAS APPARENTLY EXPOSED TO COVID

    Name the ‘piece of scum’ and the ‘jackasses’ as it is in your paranoid mind
    for the record I said your moaning and groaning whining and grineing was too much

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  • @PLT

    I know you were born in the UK of Barbadian parents, but why are you Canadian? Is it the passport? Shall I call you a Bajan-Canadian, or Canadian-Bajan?

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  • Nice to see some lawyers have the morality to question some of the decisions made by all-powerful magistrates. They often abuse their authority and this goes u8nquestioned because the victims are often ordinary working class people.
    The other flaw in the criminal justice system is why should an appeal against someone being unfairly remanded be made to the court of appeal? The duty judge should be authorised to oversee such decisions by magistrates and within 24 hours.

    Here is a report from Barbados Today:

    Some of Barbados’ most prominent criminal lawyers are questioning recent developments in the Magistrates’ courts that have landed locals and CARICOM nationals on remand after pleading guilty to breaching the country’s Covid-19 Directive.
    Over the last week, a number of Barbadians including a father and son, a Guyanese businessman and two Guyanese shop owners were hauled off to Her Majesty’s Prison (HMP) Dodds pending sentencing. According to authorities, the rationale for the decision is to emphasize the “significance” of their offences, which range from hosting a ‘lime’ to operating a non-essential business.
    The imprisonments have all occurred under EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT (COVID-19) (CURFEW) (NO. 4) DIRECTIVE, 2021, which imposes a fine of $50,000 or one-year imprisonment, or both, to anyone who fails to comply with the terms and conditions of the ongoing curfew.
    Former president of the Barbados Bar Association Andrew Pilgrim Q.C. however argued that it is inappropriate to incarcerate persons “through the back door” in connection with summary offences. Summary offences refer to crimes which do not require the deliberations of a jury before a judgment is made. In most jurisdictions, such offences include traffic cases and minor drug offences.
    “In my view, it is an abuse of power for you to remand people in custody whilst thinking about what to do with them in summary matters,” Pilgrim told Barbados TODAY.
    “Summary matters are by definition supposed to be dealt with quickly. So to adjourn for a month without having to get a pre-sentencing report or any further information on the person, why would they be in prison?
    “Is it that this period of imprisonment is not considered punishment or is it that you really want to sentence them for a month and then give them a break after that? If that is what you wanted to do, then sentence them to 28 days and let the Court of Appeal say if that is appropriate or not. I don’t like incarceration by the backdoor,” he concluded.
    Some social media commentators and members of the public have spoken on the difference in treatment of matters involving tourists found guilty of breaching the terms and conditions of their quarantine – including one attempting to flee the country while positive for COVID-19.
    According to criminal lawyer Michael Lashley Q.C., it is uncommon for first-time offenders to be denied bail in such circumstances.
    In fact, he informed Barbados TODAY of his intention to make urgent applications for bail in the Court of Appeal on behalf of three persons including a Guyanese national who are imprisoned in a similar manner.
    “The magistrate can exercise his discretion and once we as attorneys believed that he or she exercised their discretion unfavourably, then we go to the Court of Appeal and challenge it and I am prepared to do that,” he said.
    Lashley added: “My opinion is that first-time offenders should be treated like first-time offenders and I respectfully do not believe that a prison term is the right way to treat a first-time offender and that is my view.”
    Asked if there appears to be a difference in the treatment of locals and tourists in relation to COVID-19 breaches, Andrew Pilgrim replied: “It’s certainly starting to look that way, but that’s just my opinion.”
    Fellow attorney Asante Brathwaite, however, was not so conservative with her critique as she argued that first-time offenders ought not to have been denied bail unless the magistrate intended to impose a custodial sentence.
    “It might appear that what is good for the goose isn’t good for the gander. The law must be certain so that people can see that there is fairness across the board and there is not an uneven scale being meted out to citizens when compared with visitors,” Brathwaite told Barbados TODAY.
    “So for the average citizen to see on one hand that visitors pleaded guilty after breaching their quarantine and probably placed people’s lives at risk, and they were given a fine. There was no resorting to remand. So why is it that we are remanding our own nationals? It seems unfair.
    “These persons have no convictions before the court. If they are looking at a fine, they should fine you there and then. Other than that it looks like they are sending people up there just to teach them a lesson,” she added…..(Quote)

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  • It is misguided to presume that the management sciences have no limitations.

    That somehow all possible variables could be covered.

    The basic fact remains that the virus has been in near full control for most of the last year.

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  • @6:21.. great post

    I supported tough penalties to ensure that people adhere to the protocols, but I have always felt that the penalties should be distributed in an even manner.

    It seems to me, as if we always fail (and we should) when we attempt to do the two or three Barbadoes thing. Tilting the scales of justice to favor one side needs to be discouraged and stopped

    Good to see Andrew Pilgrim speaking up. He can always be found where a good cause needs assistance

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  • Looks as if the actions I supported are taking a beating. Yet, I do not believe that my thinking or the actions I supported were wrong.

    Where we are failing is in the execution of these actions. We are hearing of the same behavior being ignored for some and punished for others.

    Covid-19 appears to lack the respect that our leaders have for some group.

    “One nation, one policy’ should be our chant.

    Have a great day

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  • @ John February 24, 2021 1:23 AM
    “It looks like the COVID-19 coronavirus may be able to live in water for a few days, potentially even a few weeks. There is a big but, though. And you’ll like this big but. Just because a virus can survive in water doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s present in large enough concentrations to infect you.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Master(ful) John, we have been following, rather avidly, your ‘watertight’ hypothesis which posits that Covid-19 could indeed be ‘transmitted’, like electricity, via the medium of water.

    Which does indeed demonstrate that even a pearl of wisdom can be found, on rare occasions, in the verbal faeces unloaded from the ass of a racist rightwing political nutcase.

    What we would want to hear from you is if your waterborne virus thesis can also be applied to the highly probable event that Covid-19 and its mutant family could be found in imported bottled (stale) water of which a significant quantity is consumed daily in Barbados especially by those facing serious challenges in accessing potable water from the BWA.

    If you are prepared to place a high probability of occurrence on Covid-19 existing in imported water in plastic bottles, then you might have opened a can of worms swimming in bottles of dirty (germs and virus infected) water to make Covid-19 appear not only as an angel of death but also a godsend to save the country millions of dollars in foreign exchange enough to make the wasteful country come to its financial ‘common’ sense(s).

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  • Yeah Theo…especially when the stupid, bowing ad scraping government allowed the likes of the billionarie dude who resides at Heron Bay to slither in on his private jet, go straight to his mansion and then proceeded to wander around everywhere without quarantine isolation…his diseased could infect the whole island.

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  • diseased ass…

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  • Someone should send that article on vaccine shaming to wickum the political scientist, what the hell is a political scientist anyway..

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  • Is Covid just a means for nations of the world to avoid paying pensions they cannot afford as oldies are not dying when they should

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  • WHAT A BUNCH OF BLACK JOHNNIES ON THE 2 X 3 ISLAND

    NO WONDER WHITE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD THINK THAT ALL ARE IDIOTS.

    HAPPY I LIVE IN A CITY OF SEVERAL MILLION WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR FREEDOM 24/7 WHILST MOST JUST WEAR MASKS AND SANITIZE.

    BIM WELCOME TO NORTH KOREA

    “How can it be justified that these young black businesspeople, people who are now trying their hands at self-employment and entrepreneurship that we place a criminal record on their lives. Shouldn’t we reconsider this? I am advocating that we reconsider this. Let us reconsider fines for these kinds of breaches. I have a challenge in criminalizing these business owners,” said Holder.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2021/02/24/business-people-being-criminalized/

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  • @Cuhdear

    Because John was brilliant at 17 it does not mean that he is brilliant at 67. You know don’t you that some of us at 67 are being diapered and spoon fed in nursing homes
    ++++
    I’m sure you heard of the use of sarcasm

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  • @Theo
    Be thankful for Mia. Be thankful for what you got.
    Called all over NJ today to get the vaccine. My search was a failure…

    +++++++

    Don’t you know anybody? It works there as well as in Bim, my relative was sitting at home minding his business when he received a call from a friend at the hospital “saying come over now, we have some extra doses” He and his better half hightailed it over there and now they both have their second doses…… thing is they are younger than me and I am still waiting on a provincial Gov’t that couldn’t organise a pissup at a brewery.

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  • Sarge

    Come to Barbados and get yours.

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  • Grasshopper

    If it is in the water which commonsense and scientific publications says it is a lot of people are going to look like real idiots!!

    You will be just one more.

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  • An Aussie doc explains why his ability to practice medicine has been suspended:

    Note that the name of the doctor authoring this news release has been changed to a pseudonym, as the Editor of the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service explains: Normally I include a brief “about the author” statement here, but in this case, if I did so, Dr. Louis would be in even more hot water than he or she already is. Suffice to say that, as a journalist, I opt to protect my sources. To that end, Dr. Louis is a pseudonym. But the doctor, an Australian, is very real indeed,

    Since this is a news release, I will copy the entire document,

    (OMNS Feb 14, 2021)
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, February 14, 2021

    My Expulsion from Medical Practice
    Censorship and economic ruin threaten dissenting physicians
    by Dr. Albert Louis

    It’s a very bizarre state of affairs when, as a doctor for over 30 years, I suddenly find myself completely isolated from people I know, and from humanity. In this situation, there seems to be no way to help with healing or caring or treating, because I have been expelled like a priest excommunicated from the church. I have been cancelled.

    This happened because I was not conforming to the religion of medicine. I said things that were against the perceived modus vivendi. I was immediately suspended and completely and utterly cut off, as if I were a dangerous, evil person.

    This sense of doing wrong eats into your guts. It is like you have done some kind of severe sin, where you have done something so bad and so awful, that you can never be recuperated or saved because you’ve gone against absolute authority.

    Now, this authority is determined and written by AHPRA, the medical board of Australia which produces the code of behavior. [1]

    This code of behavior was not something I had contradicted in public. I hadn’t attacked or injured a patient. I had posted on Facebook statements which were inimical to the system, because I criticized issues about the system which were not good.

    Looking outward into the world beyond medicine, I have learned that the best companies are run with their employees feeling a group spirit, where the team is heard, understood, and appreciated.

    But over the past two to three years, when working in medical practices, I’ve seen no such thing as a team spirit. I found modern medical clinics in Australia to be like workhouses, where the doctors are consumed with input and output of patients. The only thing that the practice owners care about is a throughput of patients to give an indecent profit.

    So doctors effectively become part of a cattle market that accepts as many patients as possible to be treated with a preset path of investigations, drugs, and referrals, and are quickly released. Beyond that, the doctors must also have good marks on social media to make sure that the patients return.

    This medical meat market lacks the previous dedication of the medical profession to treating or caring about patients. It seems that, the whole system has become so computerized and automated that it has become the “fast-food” modernization of medicine.

    Apparently, there is no such thing as medical practice in the absolute sense anymore. Caring goes out of the window. Nowadays, a patient arrives, and it’s in and out within five minutes, and all the patient gets is a drug – often an antidepressant!

    Considering our modern world, I realized that this new concept of medical practice is part and parcel of what is happening in the larger society. It seems that we no longer have a society that even cares about itself.

    In medical lectures and webinars I see health professionals giving lip service to the need for patients to be looked upon with a certain sense of care by the doctors — the therapeutic agents. Yet this seems an utter hypocrisy because doctors nowadays are more concerned about the efficacious use of investigational processes and therapeutic agents than a direct relationship with the patient.

    In fact, there’s no such thing as a partnership in medicine anymore, even in functional medicine. This has gone out the window because society and particularly the medical system frowns upon anything to do with mind, body, or with healing itself.

    People are eating the wrong kinds of food because doctors have not been taught nutrition in medical school, and have not learned that food is one of the most powerful therapeutic agents. People are eating themselves to death by the toxic foods that they get from their local stores.

    Because of the COVID-19 pandemic, unemployment, marginalization, and alienation due to the need to keep separate have increased, and have accelerated to the extent that there is a significant increase in mental illness.

    This is because priority is placed on COVID-19 itself. In medical practices, other illnesses are being left behind and people are no longer being treated to the extent they were previously for chronic illness, heart disease, and cancer.

    In this COVID-19 epidemic situation, the simple nutritional supplements that could prevent COVID-19, such as vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, and hydrogen peroxide sprays are looked upon by the medical establishment as being useless and are banned. This is also the case with social media who rely on “fact checkers” who have not been educated in nutrition.

    Hippocrates said “Let food be your medicine and medicine your food.” This applies to an excellent diet that provides the essential nutrients while avoiding excess sugar and processed foods with empty calories, as well as safe and inexpensive vitamin and mineral supplements. It can also apply to drugs that are effective against COVID-19 and do little harm such as hydroxychloroquine/zinc and ivermectin. If everyone would take the vitamin and mineral supplements (vitamin C 1000mg 3x/day or more, vitamin D 5000IU/day, magnesium 400 mg/day, zinc 20 mg/day, etc.) we could end the pandemic in a month. [2-7] But any doctor who says these things in public will be cancelled.

    This epidemic has been handled as if the governments in charge are following rules from some unknown puppet master. Each knows how to follow the rules, and the rules are such that every government is being taken for a ride and they don’t even realize it. I am referring to individual governments who do not realize they are being taken for a ride by the profit-seeking medical establishment. Is it the WHO, the drug companies, or are we all responsible?

    I started listening today about the need for sending vaccines to Africa, Egypt, and India. This was on the BBC and they were talking so eloquently about the need for vaccines, particularly for health workers. These vaccines have been put out in a rush without the full testing that should be done before a vaccine is given to large populations. The mRNA vaccines are quite new and may have unforeseen consequences and yet the medical authorities don’t seem to care. Already many adverse effects are being reported and ignored.

    And what could really help Africa and India is not being talked about. Even when hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are being given they’re not being widely discussed. What they did talk about on this particular BBC presentation was the fact that over 2 billion people, particularly in Africa and India have sanitation problems. There are so few latrines that many people die from cholera. Also one billion people have no bathing facilities. If philanthropists really cared, instead of focusing on vaccinations and billions of dollars for drug companies, they should be providing education, latrines, clean water and bathing facilities, and excellent nutrition and vitamin supplements to the poor!

    The international and USA media make no connection between the fact that people are going to get COVID-19 simply because they haven’t got the immune strength to defend themselves against a virus, any virus! And what about the new COVID-19 variants that may be able to evade current vaccines? Virus variants are nothing new, that’s how viruses propagate, and that’s why the annual flu vaccines aren’t universally effective. Bottom line – the immune system empowered with adequate nutrition and supplementation will likely provide excellent protection — as a strong immune system can generate new antibodies faster than new vaccines can be developed!

    Most medical doctors and especially the media, or should we say the “propaganda industry,” don’t know about the social determinants of health — education, low psychological stress, good hygiene, excellent nutrition. They just think that the vaccine is a magical cure, which allows everyone to ignore other solutions. This will likely continue as long as the media suppress relevant information and medical professionals avoid learning about nutrition. This is utter absolute stupidity and hypocrisy.

    (Editor’s note from Andrew W. Saul: Normally I include a brief “about the author” statement here, but in this case, if I did so, Dr. Louis would be in even more hot water than he or she already is. Suffice to say that, as a journalist, I opt to protect my sources. To that end, Dr. Louis is a pseudonym. But the doctor, an Australian, is very real indeed)

    References
    1. Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (AHPRA) https://www.ahpra.gov.au

    2. Downing D (2020) How we can fix this pandemic in a month. Orthomolecular Medicine News Service. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n49.shtml

    3. Mercola J, Grant WB, Wagner CL (2020) Evidence Regarding Vitamin D and Risk of COVID-19 and Its Severity Nutrients, 12:3361. https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/11/3361/htm

    4. Holford P, Carr AC Jovic TH, et al. (2020) Vitamin C – An Adjunctive Therapy for Respiratory Infection, Sepsis and COVID-19. Nutrients 12:3760. https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/12/3760/htm

    5. Rasmussen MPF (2020) Vitamin C Evidence for Treating Complications of COVID-19 and other Viral Infections. Orthomolecular Medicine News Service. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n25.shtml

    6. Gonzalez MJ (2020) Personalize Your COVID-19 Prevention: An Orthomolecular Protocol. Orthomolecular Medicine News Service. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n31.shtml

    7. Doctor Y, et al. (2021) Nutrition to Treat and Prevent COVID-19. Orthomolecular Medicine News Service. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v17n03.shtml

    Link to source: http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v17n07.shtml

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  • “This is also the case with social media who rely on “fact checkers” who have not been educated in nutrition.”

    fact checkers will be the death of many people who don’t do their own indepth research.

    “How can it be justified that these young black businesspeople, people who are now trying their hands at self-employment and entrepreneurship that we place a criminal record on their lives.”

    minority trash set legslative policies for Black business people they see as competition, they’ve done it in the best of times and for decades, while parliament sellouts help them…something like setting labor laws to allow tiefing hoteliers to rob hotel workers of severance payments only last year….it’s what they’ve always done and don’t intend to stop….this is the perfect opportunity to stop Black businesses from growing…

    ..the population has to do something for themselves…and MOVE AWAY from parliament sellouts and minority criminals…..can’t say that Enuff.

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  • “If it is in the water which commonsense and scientific publications says it is a lot of people are going to look like real idiots!!”

    why don’t you shut up shit up until you know people are catching covid from water

    No (Mixed)

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  • Grasshopper

    You won’t be alone!!

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  • You looked like an idiot when you were banging on about Trump cunt and everyone on bu was cunting you out except for 1 cunt

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  • See what I mean Grasshopper!!

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  • There was no way you could have been brilliant at 17
    you must have been awarded yours because your parents had a plantation

    Retro Futurism

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  • Some time ago, the acting chief medical officer, Dr George, said that some doctors in private practice were misdiagnosing CoVid.
    Nothing has been said in public about this sense. Who were these doctors? How were they misdiagnosing the virus? What were the consequences? Will any of them be compelled to undertake retraining?

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  • @ John February 24, 2021 11:07 AM

    Why are you behaving like the big Daddy Grasshopper by ducking the pertinent questions posed directly to you?

    The same way you want to condemn black Bajans for blaming the spread of the virus on the ‘seasonal’ arrival of visitors to the island for the sake of the foreign dollar and failure to enforce effectively the established protocols and the health and safety quarantine measures, why not indicate if Covid-19 can be found in imported bottle water.

    Speak out and speak up, Johnny or forever be considered a mere pissy waterboy to your idol Don the Cowardly Cunt Trump!

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  • What questions?

    Bring me questions I got answers!!

    Now this I find interesting.

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  • is the john knox trump cunt lover a gigolo for republican cunts posting crap like a professional cunt

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  • @ John February 24, 2021 3:22 PM
    “What questions?
    Bring me questions I got answers!!”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Since you want to play a ‘Bongo’ game of a ‘red’ bag of riddles, here is one thrown into your frighteningly puny lap like a cat on a hot tin roof to cause you to wet your diaper for an underpants.

    Who is the current duly elected and Congressionally confirmed POTUS?

    Answer that correctly and we would stop the Mandingo man from his nightly visits to your woman’s boudoir to disturb and dirty those satin sheets and pillows with a serpent hiding in his three-legged trousers.

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  • Joe Biden is the congressionally confirmed POTUS but there are questions as to whether he was duly elected.

    As John of John Tuck’s Shop fame from HC would say … NEEEEEEEXT.

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  • can see and hear him now
    lovely days them

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  • Turns out Tiger was driving on a deceptively dangerous downhill road, it was an accident.

    Just minutes before his terrifying rollover car crash in California, Tiger Woods was caught on camera driving in the slow lane up a winding hill in Rancho Palos Verdes.

    “In the surveillance video obtained by TMZ, Woods’ 2021 Genesis GV80 SUV is seen driving behind a minivan on Hawthorne Blvd. at what appeared to be a regular rate of speed.

    The time stamp on the video says 7:05 a.m., just seven minutes before first responders got the call for the harrowing crash at the site of a nasty downhill curve near the intersection of Hawthorne and Blackhorse Road in Rolling Hills Estates.

    Woods was in town for the Genesis Invitational golf tournament and a celebrity photo shoot. The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department confirmed the vehicle was a courtesy car.

    Sheriff Alex Villanueva said Tuesday that Woods’ vehicle hit a center divider, “crossed into the opposing lane of traffic, hit the curb, hit a tree and there were several rollovers during that process” before the vehicle finally came to a rest “several hundred feet away.”

    “Obviously that indicates they were going at a relatively greater speed than normal,” Villanueva said. “However, because it is downhill, it slopes and it also curves, that area has a high frequency of accidents.”

    He said there was no evidence of “skid marks” or “braking” at the scene.

    Woods was “calm and lucid” as he talked to Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputy Carlos Gonzalez before he was rushed to Harbor-UCLA Medical Center with serious leg injuries, the deputy said at a press conference Tuesday.

    A vehicle rests on its side after a rollover accident involving golfer Tiger Woods along a road in the Rancho Palos Verdes suburb of Los Angeles on Tuesday, Feb. 23, 2021. (Ringo H.W. Chiu/AP)

    The golf legend required “emergency surgery” to treat “significant orthopaedic injuries to his right lower extremity,” Anish Mahajan, chief medical officer at Harbor-UCLA, was quoted as saying in a post on Woods’ Twitter account after midnight Eastern Time Wednesday.

    “Comminuted open fractures affecting both the upper and lower portions of the tibia and fibula bones were stabilized by inserting a rod into the tibia,” the doctor’s statement said.

    “Additional injuries to the bones of the foot and ankle were stabilized with a combination of screws and pins,” the statement said.

    The post said Woods was “awake, responsive and recovering in his hospital room.”

    According to Golf Digest, Tiger was heading to the second day of a shoot with the magazine and GOLFTV where he was due to give lessons to celebrities.

    Reports by ESPN and others said he was due to meet Saints quarterback Drew Brees and Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert but was running a little late at the time of the near-fatal crash.”

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