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Closing Arguments

I believe that all candidates in this by election are accomplished persons, who can competently represent the people of St George North.  However, can they address the specific problems facing this constituency?

The housing, drainage, roads, water, and transportation problems require engineering solutions – which I specialise in.  The unemployment problems require business development solutions, which I also specialise in.

The Prime Minister wants Toni Moore to assist her with some heavy lifting.  The Prime Minister can easily get Toni Moore in her Cabinet, in the same way that she appointed Senator Lisa Cummins as Minister of Tourism.  Therefore, the Prime Minister can get Toni Moore, and the people of St George North can get their first Engineer.

WHAT IF?

What if the people vote for their party’s interests instead of their own?

Nationally, it does not matter how St George North voters vote.  Mia Mottley will still be the Prime Minister of Barbados, and the BLP will still be in Government.  However, it does matter to the residents of St George North how they vote.

If they vote for the BLP, then they will simply switch one BLP representative for another.  Therefore, they can expect their lives to remain the same.  This sameness can be described as being house-poor and/or working-poor.

If they vote for the DLP, then since DLP projects must be approved by a BLP Cabinet, voters can expect their lives to remain the same.  The UPP, BFP, and the PdP will face the same problems as the DLP.  Therefore, that is a vote for poverty.

Poverty can cause people to justify prostitution, stealing, selling drugs, or doing any other illegal activities just to survive, and provide for their families.  Voters finally have an opportunity to vote for prosperity.

Solutions Barbados does not need any Government support for our projects.  They are designed to directly benefit the residents of St George North.  Our no-profit construction company can provide all unemployed persons in St George North with a salary, to pay their monthly expenses.  Therefore, they can pay their family’s rent/mortgage, food, clothes, school fees, school books, medicines, etc.

We can train all families in St George North to start profitable businesses, with no start-up money.  Their products may be marketed on the Internet, to countries where Barbados has favourable double taxation agreements.

St George North has this opportunity to show the rest of Barbados what a prosperous constituency looks like.  On 11 November, we will know whether voters voted for the narrow interests of their political parties, or the interests of their families and the rest of Barbados.

Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer, and the Solutions Barbados’ candidate for St George North.  He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

128 responses to “Closing Arguments”

  1. robert lucas Avatar
    robert lucas

    I want this fellow Phillips to win. It is time the swamp in Barbados be drained. I don’t agree with some of his ideas but after more than a half-century of feeding off the financial trough of Barbados, it is time both the BLP and DLP be given the boot in their backsides and be kicked out. Time for new ideas and new directions.

  2. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    @ Robert

    Be careful what you wish for. Remind me, plse say who are the other leading members of Solutions Barbados, apart from Junior?

  3. TheOGazerts Avatar
    TheOGazerts

    This is one of the better pieces from Grenville in terms of strategy.

    He is learning to create a distance between himself and the others. If he wishes to win anything at anytime he should never shower his opponents with praise. Here he observes that simple rule.

    Here is a next rule to follow… Learn what topics are the like the third rail big some railroad tracks and avoid them.

    A good example, the “Nelson statue”. Trash what you are now writing.

  4. David Avatar
    David

    Barbadian economy: clouds and silver linings
    By Ralph Jemmott
    Even the most cheerful optimist must be conscious of the economic clouds that are hanging over Barbados, the region and much of the western capitalist world.
    Of the world’s major economies, only China is expected to show significant gross domestic product (GDP) growth in 2020, estimated at four per cent. The United States economy is expected to contract by four per cent in 2020, the Eurozone’s by as much as eight per cent.
    The clouds hanging directly over Barbados are quite dark. In his third-quarter economic review, the Governor of Barbados’ Central Bank calculated that output fell by 16 per cent over the period January to the end of September.
    Overall slide
    While the overall slide for this year is expected to be in the double digits, the ostensible silver lining is that the bank expects the economy to “rebound gradually” in calendar year 2021. One eminent English poet claimed that “Hope springs eternal”.
    Despair is a terrible thing. No one wants to send a dispiriting message and as Dr Jill Biden said in defence of her husband’s candidacy: “Faith sees better in the darkness”.
    However, reality is what it is.
    Barack Obama once said that if you ignore reality, it can come back to bite you. This is not the time for wishful thinking and easy certainties.
    The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has optimistically predicted that the Barbados economy could grow by as much as 7.4 per cent in 2021, a figure which the Central Bank does not consider “unreasonable”.
    In fact, its governor suggests that growth could be as high as 10 per cent next year, if, “everything goes in Barbados’ favour”.
    One University of the West Indies professor has rightly pointed out that a rise of seven per cent after a decline of 17 per cent would still put the economy down ten per cent over calendar year 2019.
    He, however, did not rule out a recovery, seeing that the slowdown after February was “artificial”, caused by the COVID-19 pandemic and the resulting shutdown. The expectation must be that the COVID
    threat will cease sooner rather than later.
    Optimistic projections for the economy have invariably focused on the tourism industry which has been the main engine of growth. The focus has been on proposed start-up projects in that sector. However, such start-ups have been either not in evidence or very slow in coming, for example, the Four Seasons non-event, the delayed Sam Lord’s Castle venture or the slow-paced Hyatt on lower Bay Street.
    In September, the then head of the private sector body lamented the tardiness with which projects deemed essential to economic growth were getting off the ground.
    The reality maybe that investors are reluctant to build plant while the tourism market remains weak.
    The current tourism minister is hoping for a return to a 40 per cent hotel occupancy rate in the coming tourist season. There are some positive signifiers, such as the Barbados Welcome Stamp initiative and the return of major passenger carriers. A 40 per cent occupancy rate would constitute a good start to a recovery, but as Professor Michael Howard has written, we would need an occupancy rate of about 60 per cent to guarantee substantive viability.
    The so-called “externalities” do not at present portend a hasty recovery for the tourism sector and consequently for the overall economy. Much in the global market is assuredly not in our favour.
    Tourist markets
    Our major tourist markets in Britain, Europe, the United States and Canada are bracing themselves for a second wave of the COVID-19 pandemic. On October 30, US cases reached nine million and deaths just before the November 3 elections stood at 233 000.
    In Britain, Boris Johnson announced a month-long lockdown for England starting Thursday, November 5.
    Germany’s Angela Merkel has warned of “a long hard winter”, as that country returned to lockdown from Monday, November 2.
    Barbados must jump-start its economy. Getting the BEST programme underway, getting the hotels reopened, getting the restaurants reopened is very important. However, if it opens its
    tourism doors too soon and too wide, we may face the kind of intolerable health dangers that we have so far avoided.
    Apart from the “externalities”, there are internal factors, (the two are obviously related). One such is unemployment. The Central Bank’s Review of Barbados’ Economic Performance, January to September, did not give the current unemployment figures, but it did note that between late March and September, unemployment claims reached 32 000. The governor himself warned that if the recession is prolonged, several people could become unemployable.
    Government has taken on many highly-paid consultants, ostensibly hired because of the quantitative and qualitative enormity of the challenges it faces. It must now assure us that it gets things done and done right.
    Failing that, everything may appear to be illusion and spectacle, symbolism and public relations.
    Ralph Jemmott is a retired educator.

  5. David Avatar
    David

    Survival is determined by willingness to adapt
    Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution does not argue for “survival of the fittest”. That means nothing.
    “Fit” is a relative term. “Fit” for what? A marathon runner is not necessarily fit for a 100-metre dash.
    A sprinter is not necessarily fit for a marathon. Your degree of fitness is relative to the task at hand. You must be fit for purpose.
    What Darwin suggested is more accurately characterised as the survival of the fittest, for a particular environment or situation. And in cases where the environment or situation is changing, it will be the survival of the most adaptable and ready to change to fit the new era. And in some cases, it will be survival of the most ready to totally transform.
    The human species is one of the most adaptable on the planet. Humans spread across the planet to inhabit the full spectrum of environments and climates and to conquer a diverse range of situations and circumstances.
    Human beings have proven themselves fit to fit in almost anywhere.
    But the fit has not always been neat and tidy. Often, there has been a fallout. Other species have gone extinct, whole landscapes have been decimated, and as we well know, whole human civilisations have been destroyed due to the expansion of other groups of humans. Some philosophers have compared the human species to a virus or plague on the Earth.
    This analogy has probably never been truer. Having spread across the globe to multiply and colonise more and more space, displacing more and more species, building and constructing, and building and constructing, the warnings about collapse have increased. Global warming, coronavirus, non-communicable diseases, social unrest are all the result and by-product of being one of the fittest
    species on the planet. Maybe too fit for our own good.
    Such is the price of progress that it becomes questionable whether what we call progress is really progress at all. We have bigger, better and faster machines, but are we healthier and happier than previous generations or cultures, which were displaced or destroyed in the name of progress?
    Technological advance has sped up the rate of change in human society.
    Psychological and social progress has to keep pace. If we are to be fit for the kinds of societies that technology will enable, we have to be more adept at adaptation than ever. This adaptation, evolution, if you will, must be an evolution of the mind and social systems.
    The problem is that as adaptable a species as we are, we don’t like change.
    As inevitable as change is, we try our hardest to avoid it. As liberal as some humans think they are, as a species, we tend towards conservatism. The only thing that varies is what people are trying to conserve.
    Despite the obvious threats and dangers to humankind and nature due to the global system which was inaugurated and imposed through the transatlantic slave trade and European colonisation, many seem loathe to transform. Instead, the instinct seems to be to try and tweak here and fiddle there so that we can keep plodding along on the same general path.
    It has become increasingly clear that the path we have been on for the last 500 or so years cannot continue. It has been or should have been clear to those of us on the excremental side of the colonial stick for a long time.
    But too many of us have lived in hope of getting a hold on the cotton candy side. Now that the entire world is in danger of being flushed, both those who have eaten the sweets and those who have dreamed
    of eating the sweets do not want to let go the sinking, stinking stick.
    Sam Cooke said it most beautifully.
    “ A change is gonna come.”
    It will come by choice or by force.
    Survival is determined by readiness and willingness to adapt. What we must change is our minds. The mindsets we’ve adopted are not fit for the purpose of sustainability and prosperity for all. The attitude of survival of the fittest, which is based on a misunderstanding of Darwin, could destroy us all. We are tasked with transforming our old mindsets and creating new minds fit for the purpose of a rapidly evolving era.
    Adrian Green is a communications specialist.

  6. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    Grenville Phillips II ” We can train all families in St George North to start profitable businesses, with no start-up money.”

    It is reasonable to conclude that all families in Barbados can be trained to start profitable businesses.

    The BU maguffees are busy discussing the trumping of Trump so GP II will escape a critical analysis of his solutions for SGN.

  7. TheOGazerts Avatar
    TheOGazerts

    I like how Ralph Jemmott makes solid contact with his subject matter.

    The material is well thoroughly explored and can stand by itself. Heavy on content and light on Jemmott; unlike presentations which rely on the writer’s
    credentials and are light on content.

  8. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    Wuh Loss!!

    Quite a variety of topics on this blog. Where do we begin?
    @ David BU
    The COVID -19 is reported to have started in China and it spread to the rest of the world. China is forecast to have a growth rate of 4 %. Will this growth spread to the rest of the world as well? Can China grow without the rest of the world growing? Who will buy this increase of product and services ? Is this internal growth in output powered by internal growth in demand? Why this obsession with growth? I am thinking aloud as usual.

    We may be wasting this crisis. We may be strategizing to fit political and biospheric environments that no longer exist. The good news is that we have been here before so we know how to roll with the punches. It is good to ventilate. It is the only way to separate the wheat from the chaff.

  9. David Avatar
    David

    @Vincent

    What is good strategy planning?

  10. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Hants,

    GP 2 believes that Trump has done very well by black people. Stands to reason he will be sorry to see him go.

    Just one of the reasons why GP2 cannot be taken seriously.

  11. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    DavidNovember 8, 2020 10:15 AM

    @Vincent

    What is good strategy planning?

    My answer short and sweet

    Sitting back and listening to the BU intelligent mumbling back and forth about Trump
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Meanwhile Barbados sit deathly close on a precipice defined by COVID which all but shuts out barbados economy from countries which barbados drpends on for forex
    No.one seems to be interested in the crime and violence the silence on this any other economical issues are defending
    Recently Standard and Poors gave govt a thumbs up
    However what Standard and Poor does not pay attention or have observed is the pain and suffering which barbadians are enduring
    But never mind the voices of those at home called to pay attention are silent
    We have moved into a dark place where barbados social and economic problems seem to matter no more as did 10 years ago
    Could it be that time can bring tide closer to home where everyone makes a decision that survival is one of an individual calling and interest

  12. Artaxerxes Avatar
    Artaxerxes

    @ Mr. Phillips II

    After reading your article and I was a constituent of St. George North, the first thing I would question is your sincerity. Why? You were Solutions Barbados’ candidate for the constituency for the 2018 general elections. Why did you abandoned the constituency immediately after the elections?

    Let me state ‘up front,’ I have endorsed your plans in this forum on several occasions. However, if you knew SB does not need any financial support from government for its projects, which, according to you, “were designed to directly benefit the residents of St George North;” and SB could “train all families in St George North to start profitable businesses, with no start-up money,” why didn’t you remain in the constituency to implement those plans during the past 2½ years?

    If you had, surely by now, “St George North (would’ve had an) opportunity to show the rest of Barbados what a prosperous constituency looks like.” Instead, you chose to resurface with those plans, immediately after a by-election was announced. It sends the wrong message.

    Another concern I would have as a constituent, is SB seems to be a ‘one man party.’ Who and where are the other members of SB?
    Apparently, you’re the lone spokesperson on all issues, whether they are about the economy, law and order, social welfare, sports, health, agriculture, tourism, foreign affairs, business or community development.
    Aren’t there any other members of SB with specific expertise in those areas that could articulate the party’s views and policies?

    Mr. Phillips II, I don’t have any problems with your messages. My problem is the manner in which you ‘package and deliver’ them.

  13. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Nextparty246:
    (Quote):
    Solutions Barbados does not need any Government support for our projects. They are designed to directly benefit the residents of St George North. Our no-profit construction company can provide all unemployed persons in St George North with a salary, to pay their monthly expenses. Therefore, they can pay their family’s rent/mortgage, food, clothes, school fees, school books, medicines, etc. (Unquote).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So why are you running to be an elected member of the political class at this point in time?

    So why not just endeavour to implement the same projects you are promoting (without the need for taxpayers’ financial support) and by the fruits borne from your ‘entrepreneurial’ labour you would be rewarded in political paradise in 2023 or even before.

    Doesn’t ‘Work’ come before ‘Reward’ except in the dictionary?

    “In all toil there is profit, but mere talk tends only to poverty.”

    “In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.”

  14. David Avatar
    David

    How can road works and other construction be implemented without approval from Big Works? Who will pay for the drawings, approvals, insurances, legal cost etc?

  15. nextparty246 Avatar
    nextparty246

    Robert:
    If we win, St George North and Barbados wins.

    Hants:
    I only proposed to do what I have the capacity to do. I have been on various platforms answering questions showing how our plans are workable.

    Art:
    I neither abandoned the constituency, nor got in Glyne Clarkes way. The people elected him to represent them, and all candidates should respect the voters’ decision.

    I have been active in SGN, but I never publicised what I did for the simple reason that I do not want anyone to think that I did things for political motives. The only activities that were advertised were the wealth creation workshops and finishing school, since those were public events.

    Art & Miller:
    The unemployment situation is desperately critical for many in SGN. Our plan to employ every unemployed person in SGN who wants to work in construction is workable. However, I cannot start such a company and still be a Consulting Engineer – it is unethical.

    If the people want me to represent them, then I will. I plan to close my consultancy practise for 30 months, and start the no-profit construction company for them.

    David:
    Our plan was to permanently repair pot-holes in SGN. I already received a no-objection for doing so. No drawings, or legal cost are required.

  16. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @Hal Austin November 8, 2020 7:10 AM
    You are correct. BUT, is SGN voting for a person OR for a party?
    If Reifer wins, the D’s will bang their chests “they are back”.
    If TM wins, the B’s ego will be fueled they are still atop of island politics.
    Neither have promised, and hence, are unlikely to ‘make a difference’.
    Voters in SGN have nothing to lose, and possibly much to gain, by voting for GPII.
    As a party leader, he may well be as dictatorial as our current PM, or her predecessor. This style is a current trend in many nations.

  17. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    “are bracing themselves for a second wave of the COVID-19 pandemic” (quote)
    RJ should appreciate they ARE IN the second wave, which in many places is proving as invasive, or more so, than the first wave. The bracing is long past. It is the lockdowns, quarantines, restrictions etc which will affect discretionary travel.

  18. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Miller…just as i thought, perception is a hell of a thing, I posted a video from African Diaspora Channel this morning on the nelson removal in Barabos , and would you know it, some of the commenters who know no better are claiming that there will be no more racism, oppression, exploitation etc of the Black population in Barbados as long as the island removes itself form under the British monarchy….they actually believe it’s the brits responsible for the shite the haunted house negros have done TO BLACK PEOPLE for 50 plus years….but look how all the shite is GOING TO BACKFIRE when they remove themselves from under Elizabeth and the racism, exploitation, oppression, thefts of land and bank accounts from the helpless and clueless, thefts of VAT, thefts from the TREASURY AND PENSION FUND, when the supreme court remains corrupt, when the elderly ARE ROBBED THEIR LAND, when beneficiaries CANNOT RECOVER THEIR STOLEN ESTATES, when the injured in the supreme court ARE ROBBED THEIR COMPENSATION or can’t see their CASES FINISHED…when all of that continues UNABATED….😂😂…look how African Diaporan Channel will have FOLLOW UP NEWS TO REPORT…….😂🤣🤣🤣

    as it stands Elizabeth is being BLAMED for the racism etc and the corruption etc on the island….i could never have made that up…..am good, but NOT THAT GOOD…..🤣🤣🤣

  19. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    @ Northern Observer

    I once used a word I have used twice on BU over the years against Junior and st and by that description. He made one claim on BU, then gave an interview to Barbados Today and said exactly the opposite. He claimed again that one reason for not identifying his members was because people feared for their jobs.
    He is not alone, but his passive/aggressive style may go down well in Barbados, in other societies he will be driven from public life.
    His claims of members’ fears for their job security was, and remains, a very serious allegation in a democracy, and I said that. It is that fear that keeps many decent people from entering public life in Barbados and the nation suffers for it.
    That fear, along with cyber bullying and hectoring prevents many well informed people from assisting in educating the general public and, thus, lead better government. Any intelligent person will welcome Junior’s involvement in public life; what he must do is put the brakes on his ego.
    We now know that many former members of Solutions have moved to PdP and have been very vocal. This is what is called refutability.
    Further to that, Junior speaks out on every portfolio, and more than that, believes, is totally convinced, that he has a knowledge and authority to speak out on every subject over and above his democratic freedom.
    He reinforces this by reminding us of his professional and academic qualifications. I live in a society in which many of our public figures, including members of parliament, do not wave their qualifications about, the public do not like them waving their qualifications, and, frankly we see it as obscene.
    In Barbados to say this some people think it is envy. Nonsense. I have said on here before that the surprise of knowing about people’s experiences can be very interesting.
    A former colleague of mine died a couple weeks ago, it was only on reading his obituary that I realised he had a PhD. In 2008, it was while reading a Sunday newspaper profile of my boss that I realised he was Eton, Oxford and the London Business School.
    The lesson is let your ideas do the talking and cut out the I ams. But this is Barbados and being an intellectually mediocre lawyer or PhD is more important than what one has to say.

  20. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Buh hey hey! I did not even think of that! Those who left his party and went to PDP are very vocal. This suggests that they were muzzled because Grenville thought that he alone should speak.

    Cyberbullying or truth telling?

  21. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    I don’t normally defend Grenville, but there is always some element of fear running through the Black population about speaking truth on the islalnd, about offending the haunted house negros of the day occupying the house paid for by taxpayers….. fear of losing their jobs, their homes, any little opportunities they may have coming their way, i remember one brilliant man exposed some things in Barbados in the 70s, Miller can confirm the year, and he was brutally destroyed by the house slaves of the day, last i heard, he ended up living and dying under a tree in Carrington Village, so there is a lot of truth to what is being said, but who is saying it is the problem, because Grenville has the same nasty mentality if things don’t go his way, his former members said that he went as far as to violate the constitution on their right to ASSOCIATE..

    .i have read the document and it’s very clear that you cannot violate anyone’s right to join any political party even if they are a member of yours, they are free to leave and associate…but no, Grenville was bullying them to sign a document sanctioning them for 1 million dollars i believe it was, he can confirm, if they left his party to join another….the constitution is very damn clear OK..but dictator Grenville was making up his own shit as he went along…

  22. BAJE Avatar
    BAJE

    but no, Grenville was bullying them to sign a document sanctioning them for 1 million dollars i believe it was, he can confirm, if they left his party to join another….the constitution is very damn clear OK..but dictator Grenville was making up his own shit as he went along…

    ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE TRUTH OR A FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION.

    WASN’T THE AMOUNT WHATEVER THE AMOUNT SUPPOSED TO BE IF THEY WERE ELECTED AND FOUND GUILTY OF CORRUPTION?

    GREENVILLE PHILIPS II CAN CONFIRM OR DENY.

  23. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @HA
    you are entitled to your opinion. And I am not claiming the man is not human and does not have faults. What I am saying, if you want a test run at very little or no cost to the people of SGN, vote him in. He has until the next General Election to prove his mettle. In opposition he may even push a few buttons.
    I am not a political junkie, but the entry of GPII would at least break the mold of B or D/former B or D.
    I have little confidence, given the ‘party attachment’ voters in Barbados have, the election of GPII is likely. Yet, I would welcome it.

  24. GreenMonkey Avatar
    GreenMonkey

    UK government to provide elderly and vulnerable with Vitamin D supplements.

    Millions of elderly and vulnerable will get free Vitamin D from government as evidence grows that it helps in battle against Covid-19

    People shielding will be sent enough supplies of the vitamin to last four months
    It comes after Matt Hancock decided to act fast due to evidence about benefits
    Study found 80 per cent of Covid-19 victims in hospital were Vitamin D deficient

    More: dailymail(DOT)co<strong(DOT)uk/news/article-8925321/Millions-elderly-vulnerable-free-Vitamin-D-government.html

    In this 15minute video (below) an Oncologist from Puerto Rico, Dr. Victor Marcial Vega. also recommends Vitamin C supplementation for building up the immune system against various viral diseases, including Covid-19 (as does Dr. Fauci). Do a search for the “MATH+ Covid-19 protocol”, formulated by a group of emergency and critical care specialist in the USA. The “A” in MATH+ stands for Ascorbic Acid (by IV), i.e. VItamin C by IV.

    ref=em-share

  25. GreenMonkey Avatar
    GreenMonkey

    Link to DailyMail’s news item above about UK government providing Vitamin D3 to the elderly and vulnerable as a preventative measure against Covid-19 infections.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8925321/Millions-elderly-vulnerable-free-Vitamin-D-government.html

  26. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    @ Northern Observer

    If you are asking people to vote for someone, they must be told who that person is. Politics is not a game.

  27. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    They have been told….he is GPII, they can see him, feel him, talk to him. Are the people not entitled to form their own opinion on ‘who that person is’? Would he be the first politician who found themselves in a case of ‘double speak’? Just recently, one Mr Anthony Wood, a former BLP member, appeared on a DLP platform, where he admitted he did not fully understand what renegotiating public debt entailed. If it is explained fully to him, is he allowed to change his opinion?
    The candidate is whomever the voter believes that person to be.

  28. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    @ Northern Observer,

    Is this meant as a joke or are you seriously saying the candidate is who the the voter thinks s/he is? Plse tell me this is meant as a joke.

  29. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Baje…..am not the one who had a political party and the members RAN AWAY and if memory serves me, threatened court action too…so if ya werent on the blog at the time just shut up until Grenville says am imagining something, or if ya were on the blog tough shit if ya memory aint worth a thing because it was in the NEWSPAPERS…

    that is the problem with some of you because i know you were on the blog back then, yall can’t remember one shit but always ready to challenge…it was less than 4 years ago..another observation of abnormality..short memory syndrome…then ya will want to tell me that something is wrong with me..

  30. John2 Avatar
    John2

    The $1m
    Was from if the took a bribe or something to that effect

  31. John2 Avatar
    John2

    I remember there was something about leaving the party but do not remember clearly what it was

    It could have been tied to the $1M

  32. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    So what was the penalty to BE PAID for leaving Grenville’s party….neither you nor Baje can tell me what it is, but ya disputing….what was the amount, there was one posted in the papers, why ya think they wanted to sue…

    don’t know if Grenville will be man enuff to post the amount, ya will have to ask one of his exmembers if anything because everyone on BU will now claim memory loss, even if they remember, with the exception of Piece….he wil remember for sure.

  33. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Leaving a political party to join another AND being corrupt has nothing to do with each other, so it could not be connected to that….unless Grenville is crazier than everyone thinks..

  34. BAJE Avatar
    BAJE

    that is the problem with some of you because i know you were on the blog back then, yall can’t remember one shit but always ready to challenge…it was less than 4 years ago..another observation of abnormality..short memory syndrome…then ya will want to tell me that something is wrong with me..
    Xxxxxxx
    The $1m
    Was from if the took a bribe or something to that effect
    Xxxxxxxx

    @ Waru

    I DON’T LIKE DECEITFUL PEOPLE.

    WHENEVER YOU’RE PROVEN WRONG INSTEAD OF RETREATING YOU LIKE TO DOUBLE DOWN WITH YOUR IGNORANCE.

    A SIGN OF A MATURE INDIVIDUAL IS ADMITTING WHEN WRONG INSTEAD OF COMPOUNDING NONSENSICAL BEHAVIOR AND MISINFORMATION.

  35. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    You are the immature one, you have no clue what the hell am talking about but you want to tell me i don’t know what am talking about, at least John2 has the grace to say HE CANT REMEMBER…

    no one else has come out but you….and you STILL CAN’T TELL ME anything that i asked…..steuppps…

  36. John2 Avatar
    John2

    WW

    U can’t remember either

    You may be correct though

  37. nextparty246 Avatar
    nextparty246

    John 2:

    The normal penalty was US$250,000, because that was the amount a VECO official was convicted for bribing a US Senator. You may remember that VECO were given projects in Barbados.

    The amount was to be paid to any group or organization willing to sign a contract with the member. Therefore, the member would have to pay US$250,000 to every contract, and the number of contracts were unlimited. The purpose was to discourage any Solutions Barbados member from accepting bribes (which they would certainly be offered) – they would not benefit from receiving any bribes.

    It was also to give members an excuse for not accepting bribes if threatened. The briber would need to pay an exorbitant amount to pay the penalties to all contracted parties. Therefore, the briber would likely seek an easier (non Solutions Barbados member) target.

    The penalty is part of our constitution, which was unanimously agreed. All of our candidates signed the contract. The contract expired on the day the election results were known (May 2018). Members were then free to extend their contracts (which most agreed to do), leave and join another party, exit politics, or do whatever they wished – without any sanction.

    The accusation of dictatorship is a lie. From the time there was more than one member, decisions were made democratically, by voting. The simple majority view prevailed.

  38. BAJE Avatar
    BAJE

    The normal penalty was US$250,000, because that was the amount a VECO official was convicted for bribing a US Senator. You may remember that VECO were given projects in Barbados.

    The amount was to be paid to any group or organization willing to sign a contract with the member. Therefore, the member would have to pay US$250,000 to every contract, and the number of contracts were unlimited. The purpose was to discourage any Solutions Barbados member from accepting bribes (which they would certainly be offered) – they would not benefit from receiving any bribes.

    Xxxxxx

    @ Waru

    STRAIGHT OUT THE HORSE’S MOUTH.

    ONCE AGAIN CAUGHT OUT POSTING FALSE INFORMATION AND CONTINUING WITH BOTH IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE.

    YOU MAY AS USUAL HAVE THE FINAL WORD.

  39. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @HA
    (feeling the earth move beneath my feet) Joking? How do you think DJT got that many votes? The candidate is very much who the voter thinks they are. AND what that candidate can do for THEM. There is some self-interest too.
    Almost everyday on this blog, there are calls for change. Yet when their is an option to change, one gets, ‘yeah I want change, but not this one, I want change for the better’. Electing GPII is a low risk strategy. If you don’t like what he contributes between now and 2023, don’t re-elect him?? What does TM do? get another wallflower Ministry. Let GPII battle with the Bishop for the opposition….who knows something positive may come of that.

  40. David Avatar
    David

    @Northern Observer

    Your perspective is an application of ‘cold’ logic. Unfortunately such an approach is hardly followed in the real world for reasons you know well.

  41. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    “STRAIGHT OUT THE HORSE’S MOUTH.”

    you are just as dumb as Grenville…i specifically said, I BELIEVED…it was not a surety….i even asked those who may have remembered to contribute….i remembered about the million dollars but could not remember what the sanction for immigrating to another party was…..and as i said IT VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION….and people’s RIGHT TO ASSOCIATE..that was the CASE the members were making…

    ..being corrupt has NOTHING TO DO WITH having the RIGHT TO ASSOCIATE with another political party….like Grenville you probably believe you are a lawyer too…while not having any training in the discipline..

    Besides.., it’s clear that you are looking for a POLITICIAN’S ASS TO LICK…anyone will do for you right now, but when ya try to cover up shit…ya reach this place where both or all political parties turn you to be the same…corrupt as hell and all DICTATORS wannabe…

    no one is going to elect Grenville for anything on the island based on those principles he’s espousing re violating a constitution,creating his OWN CONSTITUTION for Solutions, i remember that is what he called it…… or PEEPING INTO THE BEDROOMS OF ADULTS…., when there are already problems with the ELDERLY and their beneficiaries being robbed for decades of their ESTATES and the likes of Grenville REFUSES TO ADDRESS ANY OF THAT…or address the VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE SUPREME COURT…

    …ya seem to be just another PIMP FOR A POLITICIAN….but many of us don’t reduce ourselves to that level because we HAVE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT WORK TO DO…

  42. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    @Northern Observer

    I will leave it there. I think, in fact know, your argument is illogical. But I will opt out of the discussion. Keep on voting for who you think the candidate is?

  43. Cuhdear Bajan Avatar
    Cuhdear Bajan

    @robert lucas November 8, 2020 6:37 AM “I want this fellow Phillips to win. It is time the swamp in Barbados be drained. ”

    As a scientist, surely you know that swamps/wetlands are good useful places and should NOT be drained, lest harm is caused to the environment.

    If you want to rid Barbados of political corruption, please use a different analogy

  44. David Avatar
    David

    Have a virtual meeting, book time on TV.

    Rain hits campaign trail
    THE MET OFFICE was spot on.
    Barbados had a wet and windy day yesterday, with more than 50 millimetres of rain being dumped across communities, some of which led to heavy saturation in lowlying areas.
    And it even affected the campaign leading into Wednesday’s byelection in St George North.
    Yesterday’s inclement weather forced both the Barbados Labour Party (BLP) and the Democratic Labour Party (DLP) to postpone meetings set to be held at Thorpe’s Cottage and Bridge Cot, respectively.
    “Weather conditions are deteriorating, with heavy rains and flooding expected through the night. Party officials have decided that given the forecast, it would be an act of irresponsibility and insensitivity to expose the public to the bad weather,” the BLP said in a statement last night.
    The party also revealed it would hold an indoor public meeting tonight at 7 o’clock, at the St George Secondary School, where speakers will be Ministers Wilfred Abrahams, Ryan Straughn, Dale Marshall, Santia Bradshaw, and Kerrie Symmonds; Ambassador Liz Thompson; former MP Gline Clarke; candidate Toni Moore, and Prime Minister Mia Amor Mottley.
    George Pilgrim, campaign manager for the Democratic Labour Party candidate Floyd Reifer, last night said they had postponed their meeting until today at the same venue.
    More bad weather can be expected again today.
    Last week, the Met Office gave Barbadians an early warning that the start of this week could be a rainy one, due to a number of upper-level troughs which were expected to move across the Eastern Caribbean.
    The Barbados Meteorological Service yesterday introduced a flash flood warning which will stay in effect until conditions improve today.
    “Low-level moisture being advected from the equatorial regions coupled with upperlevel divergence over the island has been generating cloudy to overcast skies and moderate to heavy showers across Barbados,” the Met Office said in an evening statement.
    “These conditions are expected to continue overnight, with a second peak of rainfall activity expected after midnight into the early hours of the morning.
    “During this period, flooding is likely, with maximum accumulations of up to 30mm forecast over some sections of the island,” the Met Office had said in its 6 p.m. bulletin yesterday.
    The Government department added that residents and visitors should be aware that some soil erosion on bared or scarred land surfaces could occur, along with water settlements on roads and fields.
    (BA)

  45. BAJE Avatar
    BAJE

    Besides.., it’s clear that you are looking for a POLITICIAN’S ASS TO LICK…anyone will do for you right now, but when ya try to cover up shit…ya reach this place where both or all political parties turn you to be the same…corrupt as hell and all DICTATORS wannabe…

    Xxx xxx xxx xxx

    REALLY SHOULDN’T BE RESPONDING TO YOU AS YOU ARE NOT ONLY SHOWING YOUR STUPIDITY BUT ALSO ASININE TENDENCY TO CONTINUE WALLOWING IN YOUR OWN SHIT.

    I DON’T LIVE ON THE 2 X 3 ISLAND AND I EARN WAY MORE THAN ANY POLITICIAN LOCAL SINCE I OWN A BUSINESS OVERSEAS SO I DON’T SEE WHY I WOULD NEED TO BE LICKING ANY POLITICIAN ASS.

    YOU NEED TO BACKOFF WHEN EXPOSED. HOWEVER YOU ARE TOO STUBBORN THAT YOU WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO SHOW YOUR ASS WHETHER RIGHT OR WRONG.

  46. David Avatar
    David

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  47. Cuhdear Bajan Avatar
    Cuhdear Bajan

    @Grenville Phillips II ” We can train all families in St George North to start profitable businesses, with no start-up money.”

    How?

    Details please.

    And some people don’t want to go into business. What about those people who like and desire a “good government job” not too much hard work, long lunch hours, at least 4 weeks vacation, a real-real steady pay check, a guaranteed pension for life?

    Just like some longtime MP’s. Just like judges, just like Governor’s General [you know don’t you that the Canadian GG pick is only for 5 years. No lifetime pick there. Betta find a wuk after the 5 years is up] Just like some of the BU intelligencia.

    What about those people?

  48. Cuhdear Bajan Avatar
    Cuhdear Bajan

    Maybe the more sensible people of St. George North want a political class pick just like Parliamentarians have, just like Grenville may get. Be elected by the people, “serve” 2 terms even if that is less that 10 years, and then at age 50 begin collecting a tax payer funded pension for LIFE..while “suckers” like me have to put in 44.3 years before collecting me li’l ha’penny from the NIS. And I hear [don’t know if it is true] that PM’s and GG’s and CJ’s collect their full TAX PAYER funded salary as a pension to preserve their status or dignity or sumpting so while the rest ;o we are considered “lucky” if our NIS pensions to which we have contributed are even 25% of our accustomed salaries. I guess that ordinarty elderly tax payers have no dignity that needs to be honored.

    I mean who wants the insecurity, hard work and sleepless nights of being in business, when being in politics is a much, much sweeter deal.

    If I lived in St. George North, I would demand a political class pick.

  49. Cuhdear Bajan Avatar
    Cuhdear Bajan

    @Donna November 8, 2020 10:21 AM “GP 2 believes that Trump has done very well by black people. Stands to reason he will be sorry to see him go.”

    Clearly the black people in the USA do NOT share Grenville’s views on Trump as they “said” in the polling booth.

  50. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    “I DON’T LIVE ON THE 2 X 3 ISLAND AND I EARN WAY MORE THAN ANY POLITICIAN LOCAL SINCE I OWN A BUSINESS OVERSEAS SO I DON’T SEE WHY I WOULD NEED TO BE LICKING ANY POLITICIAN ASS.”

    who cares what you own, there are people on the island don’t GET A DAILY MEAL…you should ask Grenville why he don’t take his VAST engineering income and open SOUP KITCHENS to feed the hungry without looking for a VOTE…

    instead you are trying to foist a clown on the people with ya stupidity, not knowing the history of Grenville and he commenters on the blog……..nothing you say can CHANGE WHAT HAPPENED WITH GRENVILLE AND HIS members who ran way from him and joined another party because of his dictator ways and violation of the constitution

    …, again , it was in the newspapers, no one have to make anything up…ya may as well give it up, cause everything ya post makes ya look dumber and dumber…seeing as Grenville and people on this blog and even on FB had a roaring fight over his bullshit policies for about a year…or more, Piece is still bitching about them…stay in ya lane..

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