Submitted by Ironside
It was not my intention to start this short series with a reference to China. But after hearing that the government of Barbados intends to have the Chinese build a road or roads in St. Andrew, I decided it would be remiss of me not to awaken the public and hopefully this beleaguered government, to the evil it is embracing.
None of what I am going to say will make any sense if you keep reading/ viewing the same traditional media: CNN, FOX, MSNBC, Wall Street Journal (WSJ). For the most part, these prefer to dine at the table of domestic goings on and can’t get enough of Donald Trump’s Twitter menu. In some cases (WSJ) it has now been shown that some of these media outlets have actively aided and abet these benighted aliens in spewing their propaganda in the west. China got strategy; and lots of stealth!
No, what I am going to say about China won’t make any sense unless you spice up your media menu with the offerings of the ever growing new and “independent” media in America and across the world. Let me name a few NTD, China in Focus, Al Jazeera, WION (Gravitas).
I could pick over a dozen entry points for his expose. But let me start with the current and immediate.
Have you heard about the recent Hong Kong Security Law passed by China and the blow it dealt to democracy there? Why should anyone in Barbados care? Do you know that according to Article 38, anyone in the world who criticizes China – including anyone from the Caribbean – can now be apprehended if they visit Hong Kong or China and put into prison in China on the basis of that law? Do you know this?
Don’t take my word for it. Let’s start with news that is current as of today 10 August: the arrest of Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai.
Do the background checks and find out about the Hong Kong and the democracy movement there. I am not doing that research for you.
Let’s pause a sec. When we say “China” here, let it be clear that we mean the Chinese government a.k.a the CCP or Chinese Communist Party. Not the 1.4 billion Chinese people. Does CCP sound familiar? It sure as hell does! That is part of the unofficial name of the covid-19 virus, the “CCP Virus” so dubbed by yours truly, Donald J. Trump!
In case you want to go naïve on me, please be aware that Trump’s term is not just appropriate because the virus started in China; it is because the CCP deliberately deceived the world about the human-to-human transmission of the virus and still to this day refuses to let international pandemic researchers enter Wuhan, China (where the virus is purported to have started) to help determine the cause of the disease. That is another story for another time.
Now let’s do the CCP virus math to date: 19,998,817 cases, 734,753 deaths worldwide as today 10 August:
That’s the human toll.
What about the economic and social toll? Economies shattered, small businesses wiped out, families torn apart. The jury is still out on this because second and third waves of the virus are being experienced in some countries.
What about Barbados? circa 29,000 people have lost their jobs; over 70 million paid out in unemployment benefits to date (See the article: https://barbadosunderground.net/2020/08/09/mystery-national-insurance/) on this blog).
Who is to blame? The Chinese Communist Party. If you lost a loved one in this pandemic blame the CCP. If you lost your job because of the pandemic, blame the CCP.
Over 100 countries have ganged up to demand reparations from China. Yet Barbados and other Caribbean countries are going cap in hand to China for loans which they will probably not be able to repay, like other countries in Africa. For the CCP this is no problem! Once access to something strategic they want is part of the collateral, for example, a port, natural resource or a strategic location, no problem!
Have you noticed that government controlled media in Barbados never reported any of the more interesting international debates on the CCP virus? Now you know why. Barbados and a string of Caribbean governments have bought into the CCPs grand Trojan horse scheme to control the economy of the world. It is called the Belt and Road Initiative, compliments of Xia Jinping, President of the CCP. It is the Kool Aid served by China and this BLP Government is about to drink deeply from the jug of the CCP. So they can’t talk, less they strangle (or be strangled!).
If you want to know how many Caribbean governments have drunk of the cup of the CCP’s iniquitous scheme, read our own Caribbean media: https://www.cijn.org/chinas-opaque-caribbean-trail-dreams-deals-and-debt/ .
I am not going to attempt to reproduce the vast amount of material available on the CCP. Do the research yourself. Here’s a starter kit.
My call to action is for the Opposition. Get the Government disclose the terms of the agreement with the CCP. Everything is a state secret in China. Not so here. As flawed as it is, we still practice democracy. I hope!
WAKE UP BARBADOS, NELSON IS ONLY THE DISTRACTION BARBADOS GOVERNING OFFICIALS ARE EMBRACING THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY!!!
Why is CARICOM entertaining the Chinese Communist Party’s intrusion into the Caribbean? Why are Politicians selling our Birthright for a mess of pottage?
And Why are CARICOM leaders Cuddling the Chinese Communist Party selling their Ports that is in essence selling their Countries access to the world? It is Alleged that the Bridgetown Port been sold to the Chinese Communist Party.
China has since financed new ports in Trinidad and Tobago, Antigua and the Bahamas.
All Caribbean Countries already borrow money from the lending agencies and all these agencies require is that you pay it back with some interest. When the CCP lends money, for instance Sam Lords Castle and you default on payment they will take over the asset and they will have total Control over that asset. They can create a Country within a Country and Sam Lords has Access to the Ocean. When they have Control, they do not have to pay Taxes, THEY OWN IT, THEY OWN IT, THEY OWN IT, and IT IS SOVEREIGN TO THEM.
Remember that on 03/05/2020, Dr Don Marshall, head of the Sir Arthur Lewis Institute for Social and Economic Studies (SALISES) at the Cave Hill Campus of the University of the West Indies (UWI) is Talking about Borrowing Money from China in the wake of the Chinese Virus. He wants the Caribbean leaders to Borrow money from the Same People that caused the Collapse of the Economy that he is Referring to and he is saying TO TRUST THE CHINESE A LITTLE MORE AND WE SHOULD GET OVER OUR HANG-UPS FROM COMMUNIST CHINA.
He talked about China helping a hundred Countries in the world, he OMITTED to say that when you Slack on Re-Payment to the CCP, they take over the Asset that they lent you, including your Ports, which they taken over in the Past. He Omitted to tell you, that the Largest Funder of the IMF is the American Government, but they do not take over your Assets should you Default on Payments. Even when Argentina Defaulted on All of their Loans in the Past, Nobody Owns the Argentina Assets Except the Argentina’s. In other words when you get a Government Lending you money Like China which in Actually means the Chinese Communist Party…They Own You, they Own your Country and you Still have to Pay!
Dr Don Marshall Cannot see Pass his own Panting (Getting the Loan), he is Using his Influence to Bait Caribbean Leaders to Fall into the Communist Party Trap. This is Not Someone of Influence we Need in our Country and On top of that whenever they Lend money for Building, they Bring All the Building Material and the Labour and All that money Goes Right Back to China. However, you have a Hundred Percent of the Money to Pay Back.
ENTER COMMIE SING SONG, who is a Known Communist, Ramping up Caribbean Leaders using his title, as the Ambassador of CARICOM, to HELP IN THE FIGHT AGAINST AMERICA IN SOLIDARITY WITH HIS COMMUNIST BUDDIES LIKE THE NEW CHAIR OF CARICON, WHILE LEADING ALL OF WE TO OUR OWN DETRIMENT.
IN CONNECTING THE DOTS… Why would PM MAM elect a Known Bajan Communist as Ambassador to CARICOM who is an Avid Supporter of Maduro and the Cuban Regime?
WHY ARE OUR SUPPOSED LEADERS LEADING US TOWARDS CHINA AND THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY AND AWAY FROM OUR ALLIES?
Who Wins and Who Loses?
Jamaica on China’s Belt and Road Initiative
This year Jamaica became the 10th Caribbean country to formally sign on to China’s Belt and Road Initiative. China’s investments have brought much-needed infrastructure to the region, but with that has also come some friction. CBC News took a road trip through Jamaica and asked who wins and who loses when it comes to China’s Belt and Road.
So with 40,000 unemployed and Bajan companies catching their tail we will give construction work to China? They will not even buy a wheel barrow locally as is the case when they do work.
I have a simple question. As they say, the devil(the-evil) is always buried in the details. If the GOB intends to have the Chinese build road(s) in the St. Andrew area. I will like to know upfront, does this mean to fund the construction or physically construct these roads. As many of us may be aware, if you fund something there may be a chance that local Bajan firms may win the bid and thus employ Bajans etc, however, when they construct the road themselves we “may see” truckloads of Chinese labour on the island doing jobs that Bajans can do. That will be a “jaw-dropping reality check” given the fact that we have so many unemployed due in part to the covid19 virus.
I agree with the author, we need to know what the conditions attached to the loans are, after all we is Bajans and we live bout hay for donkey years.
China to build a road? If their expertise because it is an area where the land is basically, falling apart, in St.Andrew, as we all know, then understandable.
We can only guess that is the case. Otherwise it makes no sense.
I love the black masses because they always have a joke to tell.
Some weeks ago, after the Nelson riots and after the Cabinet reshuffle, they condemned the “white shadows”. Now they’re looking to Bizzy, Cow, Baloney and Jerkham to save Barbados!!!
What did you really want?
A) Indian-Guyanese drug gangs
B) Chinese migrant workers
C) Local contractors
I agree with the other folks, in all but specialised need. China uses their own workers their own raw materials, their own equipment.
Probably they lend the money, then you have to pay that back. Money that goes back to China anyway, in the form of remittances by their construction firm, to China. So, you actually pay them twice.
Then, unlike money spent locally, there is no multiplier as no money is spent and dominoed through the economy.
Good business for China.
@ Tron August 14, 2020 8:24 AM
I think you are creating a set of false choices to which you tell us we must choose.
Sometimes we must think outside the box, but often when we do that we will probably ruffle the feathers of another species of fowl.
Just says out loud.:-)
We need to see the statement of work. Bear in mind Barbados is broke and for years both administrations have been unable to wrestle the WhiteHill issue to the ground as two examples.
Details necessary. But yes, we should be very wary of the Chinese government.
“Every skin teet en a laugh.”
We know what the CCP is after and we know the horrors of which it is capable. I have never been comfortable with our entanglement.
@ Crusoe August 14, 2020 8:25 AM
Therefore my question is if we know this; and also know we get practically nothing other than paying back a debt that may be unclearable. Why do we allow (our political LEADers) to keep signing these one-sided deals; then run to the PR machine telling us what a great thing this “poison/kool-aid” is for us; so drink up and gulp it down.?
The reason China funds projects cheaply is not because they are nice people, it is done to secure China State Construction and their exporters a market. The conditions usually include them being able to supply everything from labour to screws and nails.
If this is a simple loan without conditions, for the above reason I would be very surprised.
Bear in mind that ethics and morality should depend on the condition of our pockets.
If hunger does not excuse the theft of a loaf of bread then….
@ Donna August 14, 2020 8:43 AM
Many things that the older generations have left us to distill and further understand has been pushed aside. We sometimes think that it takes too much time to digest what was being taught before. Therefore as we look for quick fixes we often ignore/push aside solid reasoning etc that the older generation has left us.
What sweat in goat mout does…..in the bam bam.
Ethics is one such thing that we often push aside and declare “unsuitable” for the occasion etc.
Thanks for reminding us that somethings like “ethics” like the “law of gravity” can be replead only in a legislature or in our minds, but not in the real-world.
You miss two key points about Chinese development aid. First, most, if not all, the workers come out of their prisons; and secondly, and very important, a central part of the agreement is that the workers stay on in the receiving country.
Think about it. Most of these workers are young men; and, how many of them do you see signing on for social security after the completion of the projects?
This is what Stuart and his side kick, Ms McClean, have done to Barbados, and which the president continues without a blink. When we talk about New Barbadians, this is what it will look like. Even the Africans are now rebelling.
By the way, do you remember when Brian Lara, at the height of his fame, went to India without a visa and they refused to allow him in?
The day will come when Sir Charles will wear a black T-shirt with BLM = Builder’s Live Matters printed on it and lead the black masses in a protest march against the Chinese debt economy. Chief conspiracist Presscott will whisper, “I always knew he was a reverse Oreo and one of us”.
@ Hal Austin August 14, 2020 9:09 AM
I completely agree with you, dear Hal.
If foreigners, then please the right ones: rich expats who build villas in Barbados and invest their money in Barbados. We don’t need immigration of ragtag figures.
However, back to my chopsticks now!
@Hal AustinAugust 14, 2020 9:09 AM
If what is written is true then that is a fantastic deal for the Chinese
a.0) Reduce the prison population. So maybe fewer prisons to be built in the mainland?
a.1) Your reduce your national population as well; but every so slightly in China’s scenario.
b) Reduce your potential “permanent unemployment” situation statistically (it now becomes the host’s country problem)
c) You get work for your nationals.
d) Your energize your economy with sales of all the associated building materials.
e) You potential get to own the assess built if the host nation defaults
f) Your increase your economic & political power in the host country
g) Your get paid interest on the loan disbursed. Given the other aforementioned benefits the get 3% is mere incing on the cake.
Just saying. Things that make you go hmmmm. we need some new LEADers for use.
@ Sir Fuzzy
This is not new. It is old information. Have the Chinese who worked on projects in Barbados left the country? Does ay of them drive ZR vans or work in the civil service? In Grenada, Jamaica, and other Caribbean territories, they do the same.
It is not reducing the population, but spreading the invisible Chinese army. Books have been written on it. It is soft diplomacy. Our political leaders, DLP and BLP, are so dumb it is frightening.
Still waiting for the elderly ZR woman to make her contribution.
We are not fully awake yet:
If like me, you feel angry every time you have to put on a mask, blame the CCP. Here’s why:
How China Corrupted the WHO Response to COVID-19:
Thank you for sharing.
@Ironside “benighted aliens in spewing…Does CCP sound familiar? It sure as hell does! That is part of the unofficial name of the covid-19 virus, the “CCP Virus” so dubbed by yours truly, Donald J. Trump!… it is because the CCP deliberately deceived the world about the human-to-human transmission of the virus.
Oh lordie, loedie, Ironside the DLP hard liner, now quoting Donald Trump, Donald Trump of all people as some kinda expert on Covid19. I tell wunna already that Donald Trump does not know as much science as a bright 4th former. Long before COVID19 reached the United States, American health and political officials knew that it was being transmitted human to human, but idiotic politicians [does that term sound familiar? There are way too many in every country of the world} insisted on describing it as “just a little flu” and failed to ACT SENSIBLY, and now looking to blame the Chines Communist Party? Now i don’t know the Chinese Communist Party, but since they are politicians I bet that they too don’t understand as much science as the average 4th former. Will they lock me up when next I travel to Hong Kong? Stupssseee!!!
The Chinese health officials knew by December 30, 2019 that the virus is transmitted person to person and they so informed the world. It was then up to every public health authority to ACT, but some instead chose to talk sh!te.
So here we are 20,967,027 infected and 760,461 dead, dead, dead.
Continue to blame “the other” continue to ACT STUPIDLY and see where it gets wunna.
@John A August 14, 2020 8:40 AM “The reason China funds projects cheaply is not because they are nice people,”
So John, when last has any business person anywhere done something because they are nice? Business people are not Sunday school teachers. They are in business to make money. Plain and simple. And that truth holds whether the business people are black, white , yellow, brown, animist, jew, christian, muslim, hindu, rastafari etc. etc. etc.
Business people like making money. That’s what makes them tingle when they get up in the morning.
@Cuhdear Bajan August 14, 2020 12:15 PM
The fact that you interpret me as “DLP” tells me that there is no point in responding to the rest. You obviously don’t read this blog carefully.
Your mind is not in a box…it’s in a coffin!
Now the tally is 760,462 dead, dead, dead.
@Donna August 14, 2020 8:43 AM “Bear in mind that ethics and morality should depend on the condition of our pockets.
If hunger does not excuse the theft of a loaf of bread then….”
Actually hunger does excuse the “theft” of a loaf of bread as described in Matthew 12:3
“When the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.” Jesus replied, “Have you not read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for them to eat, but only for the priests.…”
So a hunger person, or hungry Bajans have to do what we have to do so that we can eat. It is alright for people whose bellies are full to talk.
No body is debating business people making money. What we are however discussing is loans given at competitive rates that offer little potential for domestic participation.
In other words if i borrow from Scotia Bank money to build a house, they do not tell me that their workers and all the materials must be purchased from Scotia Bank Hardware and Construction Ltd as well like China State does.
If you doubt this research Chinas effect on the African economy by way of its natural assets.
Why do bilateral loans come with conditions? Emphasis on concessionary.
Also, how is China, US, UK different as far as propagating geopolitical interest? How is one hegemonist different to the other?
The elderly ZR woman should be sectioned.
@ Hal Austin August 14, 2020 9:09 AM. “Most of these workers are young men; ”
But the surplus of young men in China is not even a Chines Communist Party thing. Chinese misogyny long, long predates the Chinese Communist party. So the CCP decided to implement a one child policy, because China’s population was growing much too fast, so the Chinese families felt that the one child had to be a precious boy chile, so millions of potential wives were aborted, so here we are millions of young Chinese men without a woman to keep them warm at night, And since we were all young, we know that young people can get kinda testy when they don’t have an outlet for their sexual urges.so China is exporting the surplus men
And remember the Brtish men who invaded Australia and New Zealand were a bunch of criminal deportees too. That worked out quite well for the British invaders.
Not so well for the aboriginal people though.
Let’s continue to help those who are at least alive to wake up the CCP:
What is the geo-strategic/military importance of Barbados/Caribbean to China?
@TLSN August 14, 2020 10:58 AM “Still waiting for the elderly ZR woman to make her contribution.”
Here she is.
Put in a few hours of ground work this morning. Chines or no, Indians or no, white people or no. I gotta eat.
About 5 years ago a few Chinese fellas showed up and asked if we wanted to sell the family land. I was really surprised to see them in my natal village which is deep, deep in the country. We told them “NO” They went on their way. Did not try to force us off or anything so. A few decades before that a white American guy showed up and asked my dad the same question. He told the American guy “NO” he did not try to force of my dad or anything so. The white American guy went on his way.
In trade there is always, always a buyer and a seller.
@David August 14, 2020 12:53 PM
“Also, how is China, US, UK different as far as propagating geopolitical interest? How is one hegemonist different to the other?”
W.R.T China, I sincerely hope this is ONLY an academic question!!!
It is not an academic question if we accept the definition of hegemonist.
@Hal Austin August 14, 2020 10:44 AM “@ Sir Fuzzy. Have the Chinese who worked on projects in Barbados left the country? Does ay of them drive ZR vans or work in the civil service? ”
Now why are you asking Sir Fuzzy if Chinese are driving ZR vans. When last has a “Sir” boarded a ZR? How would Sir Fuzzy know what is going on in the “ZR culture”
I am the ZR expert on this blog.
Although I have only got on public transportation twice since mid-March. I miss my ZR men.
@August 14, 2020 12:49 PM @”TLSN. The elderly ZR woman should be sectioned.”
I know that you and some of the elderly facists on this blog would love to silence me.
But alas for wunna.
You have no authority over me.
Got lost do.
@John A August 14, 2020 12:42 PM “No body is debating business people making money. What we are however discussing is loans given at competitive rates that offer little potential for domestic participation.”
Now ya talking sensibly.
Barbados should negotiate sensible loans.
But alas when you are small as a mouse and the other party is as big as an elephan it is real, real hard to negotiate.
Let’s continue to wake up to the CCP:
The UWI has embraced the Confucius Institute of China, a subtle form of communist cultural imperialism and propaganda arm of the CCP.
See for yourself: https://www.cavehill.uwi.edu/confucius/home.aspx.
Not surprising since there are so many communists and lodge members at UWI among staff.
So here is how Sweden, an noted European democracy responded to the Confucius institute after it woke up.
A bit of good news on the Covid-19 front, whether it will ever bear fruit is another question, considering that if this Ozone Therapy protocol continues to prove itself in ongoing clinical trials, it could mean much less demand for Bill Gates’ and Big Pharma’s expensive drugs and vaccines.
While Ozone Therapy has been around since the early1900s, the US FDA says it cannot recommend or approve the treatment as there have been no large scale, randomized, double blind, placebo trials to prove its safety and efficacy. Ozone using doctors who have documented, anecdotal reports of its success and safety to go on, say that it is unlikely to ever have the type of trials the FDA and the Medical-Pharmaceutical-Industrial-Complex demands, because unlike a new pharmaceutical drug, the treatment cannot be patented and therefore whoever sponsors a sanctioned, double blind trial would have to shell out the many millions of dollars it costs to run these trials without being able to recoup the cost.
In the meantime, A group of Italian doctors conducting their own clinical trial of Ozone Therapy as a treatment for elderly Covid-19 patients with Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS). The patients were being cared for in Italian ICUs and the doctors are pleased with the ozone treatment’s success rate. They have recently had a paper published in the peer reviewed, medical journal International. Immunopharamcology, to present their findings to the medical community. Note this was NOT a double blind, placebo trial as all of the sick trial participants got the ozone treatment and there was no control group who received a placebo.
Here is the Abstract from their paper, Oxygen-ozone (O2-O3) immunoceutical therapy for patients with COVID-19 Preliminary evidence reported:
This study evaluated the potential efficacy of a novel approach to treat COVID-19 patients, using an oxygen-ozone (O2-O3) mixture, via a process called Oxygen-Ozone- Immunoceutical Therapy. The methodology met the criteria of a novel, promising approach to treat successfully elderly COVID-19 patients, particularly when hospitalized in intensive care units (ICUs) Experimental design: We investigated the therapeutic effect of 4 cycles of O2-O3 in 50 hospitalized COVID-19 subjects suffering from acute respiratory disease syndrome (ARDS), aged more than 60 years, all males and undergoing non invasive mechanical ventilation in ICUs.
Following O2-O3 treatment a significant improvement in inflammation and oxygenation indexes occurred rapidly and within the first 9 days after the treatment, despite the expected 14–20 days. A significant reduction of inflammatory and thromboembolic markers (CRP, IL-6, D-dimer) was observed. Furthermore, amelioration in the major respiratory indexes, such as respiratory and gas exchange markers (SatO2%, PaO2/FiO2 ratio), was reported.
Our results show that O2-O3 treatment would be a promising therapy for COVID-19 patients. It leads patients to a fast recovery from ARDS via the improvement of major respiratory indexes and blood gas parameters, following a relatively short time of dispensed forced ventilation (about one to two weeks). This study may encourage the scientific community to further investigate and evaluate the proposed method for the treatment of COVID-19 patients.
Dr Robert Rowen MD of Santa Rosa, California, USA says he “loves ozone” and explains how he has been using Ozone Therapy successfully in his own practice for 30 years.
If the Chinese phuck small poor countries without vaseline, it is for the same reason the British did it, it is for the same reason that men beat women.
China is bigger and more powerful.
And in this wicked world in which we live the big and the powerful get their way.
Looka if Hal had his way he would force me into a mental hospital, not because I am mad or even because i am bad, but because he is bigger than I am. I hear a lot, lot bigger than my 140 pounds.
@David August 14, 2020 1:16 PM
You are missing my point entirely.
Cuba is a communist country but it sends doctors and nurses to Barbados. It is not EXPANSIONIST and BELLIGERENT to its neighbours as far as I know. China is both. Indeed it poses an existentialist threat.
Suggest a Google search for ‘China poses existentialist threat” and “China in the South Sea”
Dig some more and take a few days to digest and come up to speed!
You are missing the point?
Cuba is or never was classified as a hegemonist by this blogmaster in the same group as USA or UK as two examples. It does not have the economic or military might. Will end by suggesting all large countries expand outside borders fueled by a geopolitical interest. No ifs or buts. We can agree to disagree of course.
@ David August 14, 2020 1:39 PM
“All large countries expand outside borders fueled by a geopolitical interest. No ifs or buts”.
That is exactly what I mean by “academic” The statement is a hypothesis. Debating a hypothesis is also an academic exercise.
What is happening “on the ground” e.g China’s military threat in the South seas, taking over ports and important assets in Africa / Caribbean; destroying democracies” is not an academic matter; it is cold reality and is therefore the issue.
I am very grateful that the US and UK ( a.w.a USSR then) did not treat from Hitler’s Germany as an academic issue.
So let’s agree to disagree.
But I won’t be lulled to sleep on this watch!
I am very grateful that the US and UK ( a.w.a USSR then) did not treat [to] Hitler’s Germany as an academic issue.
Well the Americans, largely a Germanic people did not respond to Nazi Germany’s expansionism and brutality to jews, gypsies and homosexuals. The U.S. responded when only U.S. territory was bombed, not by their German cousins, but by the Japanese.
Although the war began with Nazi Germany’s attack on Poland in September 1939, the United States did not enter the war until after the Japanese bombed the American fleet in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on December 7, 1941.
This cannot be refuted.
I congratulate the Chinese. They are beating the capitalists at their own game.
Imagine the West want to loan money, with NO collateral other than the Sovereigns right to tax their citizens. What a crock. The Chinese employ western principles.
They demand collateral. Don’t keep the loan terms and the Chinese will gladly assume ownership. All the while using their people, their products, and their money.
Have you ever spoken to a Filipino to find out why the Septic Tanks are in the region.
The next generation of biofuel can be harvested off the shallow seashores of Palawan Islands.
It’s all Top Secret shit that Yanks don’t want you to know about. Don’t bother listening to their propaganda like a mug.
China is the only lender I know of that lends money and then ensures by the conditions of the loan that the bulk of what they lend comes back to china in terms of their exports. By exports i mean ALL exports be they labour or material base.
Why focus on the lender? Does the borrower have a say in the transaction before signing on the dotted line?
I seriously hope that we Bajans remember the Bishop Government of Grenada and what initially brought that GOV down. It was an international airport with a run way 10,000 ft long being funded by what was then considered a rouge state. It was being constructed with local and outside Labour. Our GOV must keep the masses abreast of our chinese partners intentions, via the GOV information services, if they are aware of the CCP’S thorough intentions. I visited Suriname in the mid 70’S and was surprised to see a China town there. They accounted for approximately 1 percent of the population then. Today it’s 10 percent or much higher. However, it’s been 45 years. I remember we had a small China Town in Roebuck Street in the 50’s & early 60’s. The majority left the island after a rumor started about dog-heads being seen in trash at the rear of one of the dozen or so Chinese restaurants. The rumor had a devastating effect on their restaurant businesses. The majority left BDS for Jamaica, Trinidad and South America. Those who stayed in BDS relocated to Ch Ch. The Suzie Wong’s family was one of the BDS original Chinese families that stayed. Their original housing community was Perry Bottom off Roebuck Street.
Maybe the Chinese will build a city/community in St.Andrews. It also has an Ocean access. I would like to buy Culpepper Island before the Chinese do and install windmill generators and sell cheap energy/electricity to the St. Phillip residents. The sustain winds over the island is approximately 60mph constantly. Any structor built on the island has to be done with specialized cement, components of sulfuric volcanic soil, white lime etc. the mixture gets harder with salt water (steel). hope I’m not giving anyone free ideas, as we constantly do on this blog. I don’t believe the GOV would lend an ear to my offer. If they did, I probably won’t be able to afford it and I would end up borrowing the funds from the Chinese.
wǒ bú huì shuō zhōng wén.
My friend you only have a choice when you can do better. With our credit rating where it is and a record of default how many choices you think we have borrowing on the international market?
Thank you, this point needs to be stressed.
@ John A
We have had a government, headed by a top lawyer and with a string of lawyers in the |Cabinet, negotiating with White Oaks, a little known firm of financial advisers, not even known on the Mayfair street where they are situated, negotiating with the Barbados a contract under the laws of England and Wales. That tells you everything.
I see the Trumpists and their white supremacist sidekicks are out in force today doing all they can to peddle the racist garbage of the Anglo-American tyrants. The whole tourism lopsided economy has collapsed, unemployment is north of 30% and the government is borrowing money whereever it can get it and some idiots want Barbados to hitch itself to Trump and Pompeo’s racist anti-China caravan.
The Chinese building a road in St Andrew is the least of our problems. Our economy is in the hands of the modern plantocracy mafia and the government is in the hands of the IMF. And they are concerned about a road in St Andrew.
All money lenders, whether it’s China, the USA, Britain, the EU, the World Bank, the IMF, the IDB or whoever come to Barbados for what they can get. Period. That’s what it means to be a small country living under the capitalist dictatorship of the big powers in ths globalised, capitalist economy.
Service based economies have been exposed in the new normal in a way that will challenge us for some time to come. It will get worse.
What is happening “on the ground” e.g China’s military threat in the South seas, taking over ports and important assets in Africa / Caribbean; destroying democracies” is not an academic matter; it is cold reality and is therefore the issue.
This is pure disinformation. Which country are the South Seas nearer to, China or America? Of course China is pursuing its interests in Africa, just like all the other big (and some not so big) powers. But how can you talk about the new scramble for Africa and not menbtion that the US army has a whole command AFRICOM dedicated to the subjugation of Africa and which is militarily active in half of the countries in the continent?. How can you not mention the enslaving economic relationships that France has with its former colonies in Africa and that it also has its troops active on the continent? And by the way, China can’t be destroying any democracies since they are none to destroy.
@NorthernObserver August 14, 2020 3:28 PM “I congratulate the Chinese. They are beating the capitalists at their own game.”
I don’t know why people seem to believe that the Chinese Communist Party AND the Chinese people are not capitalists.
They are ALL capitalists, regardless of what they call themselves. or what the rest f the world choose to believe they are.
This is not war between capitalists and communists.
Americans are capitalists.
Chinese are capitalists [maybe even better capitalists than the Chinese].
“The Chinese building a road in St Andrew is the least of our problems. Our economy is in the hands of the modern plantocracy mafia and the government is in the hands of the IMF. And they are concerned about a road in St Andrew.”
Say it again brother. The Chinese can do no worse than the centuries of tyranny by the Western White Supremacists
Service based economies have been exposed in the new normal in a way that will challenge us for some time to come. It will get worse.
I suspect you’re right about it getting worse but it also exposes the criminal negligence of those who transitioned the economy into a being a so-called service based economy in order to serve the interests of the local and foreign elites. We need a complete rethink about what an economy needs to look like for smallislands like ours.
The architect was laid to rest today. He moved it from where Tom Adams took it i.e. a healthy mix of agriculture, manufacturing and services.
@Cuhdear Bajan :”Chinese are capitalists [maybe even better capitalists than the Chinese].”
Correction: “Chinese are capitalists [maybe even better capitalists than the Americans]
Well according to the Economics Society Owen said before he died that we have to go for “import substitution”
He did not say we have to grow more food, much, much more food. That is what we will have to do.
Once everybody has enough to eat then we can think about other things, and WORK on other things.
@ John A at 4:12 PM/
Do we need to borrow? And to do what? Is it going into productive investments./activities? We should only be borrowing if it increases GDP and employment. Are we making mock sport again?
We borrow to invest, not to pay civil servants.
It would appear that is the case yes. I mean if we must borrow from the chinese and absorb their products, then lets do so for the alternative energy sector. Surely we dont need them to build a road. In other words borrow from them under their terms where there is a value added factor for our local economy.
Is it just building a road or building a road in a problem area of the Scotland District that has proved a challenge in recent years. There are several roads and bridges falling apart.
Forgot the “not” but I see you got the point.
Your reference does not apply here.
@ David at 5:24 PM
Is it proving a challenge or a lack of will. We have been building roads in the Scotland District for centuries. Should we not be in position to do better than “aliens’? Your word not mine.
We should be doing better.
What I would really like is for our government to stop borrowing RH money to keep up with the Joneses and take the time figure out how we can properly, honestly and sustainably earn our way in the world while reducing our overall debt.
What political legacy will you leave? Barbados has “borrowed” itself a middle class. If you stop borrowing, that will cease to exist.
If one is worried about debt, keep clear of politics. They assume the debt can be refinanced when it comes due. Unless of course your credit is such that nobody will refinance it. Then you call the IMF.
And hope their intervention will open other loan facilities.
And the circuit begins anew.
It has become fashionable to reschedule debt.
David et al,
The elephant in the room is whether the Scotland district is viable for anything other than agriculture, nature reserve.
I submit that, when one considers the infrastructure investment required to get access to a fit state, it is not.
It should be zoned purely for agriculture and as a national park.
Move residences out of there. The land is unstable and it will forever be an issue.
Have local engineers come up with a plan to convert the whole area abd split between farms and nature reserve.
No LEC, gets to be a lawyer
No different approach to the economy, but gets up grades that the DLP, was downgraded for,
Went to CARICOM, GUYANA/ LIAT, and fked it up CARICOM more divided than before
Serve St Micheal NE, for 30 years and did nothing, yet keeps getting reelected how
Now nominated to be on the IMF board, with all that bad track record, ewwww not natural
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A long time ago I recommended that we should consider turning the Scotland District, or part of it, in to a dry ski run, complete with restaurants, leisure centres, ten pin bowling and swimming pools.
Such a venue would be attractive to tourists and locals, provide new jobs and remove the risk of residential land slippage. As usual, it was ignored. I still think it is a good idea.
We have good civil engineers who can build on the site. After all, all that sea between the mainland and Pelican Island has been filled in and has not given any problem since the 1950s.
Northern Observer at 10:24 PM
It is time we break that circuit.History will affirm that it has gotten us no where fast. No . Borrowing is not responsible for our relatively high standard of living. Visionary leadership is. One is not a substitute for the other. One cannot borrow nor import vision.
@ David BU at 1 :33 AM
Do you really believe that rescheduling debt is a fashion ? And one that we should follow? Debt is based on the notion and principle that it will be repaid ,not rescheduled. Nor postponed to the next administration or next generation to repay. Nor ,God forbid, be reneged. Business is based on trust. Remove trust and the borrower has no credibility. Of course ,since you love disruption,it can be solved with another financial meltdown. Take your pick.
If so, then cease borrowing? Or has the vision ceased?
In the Sinckler years debt rescheduling was fashionable.
You are showing your age. Like you, I believe if you want something then save up to buy it. In the new, young, don’t care world, as long as you pay the minimum on your credit card the companies love it. All they do is increased your maximum. They see it as bad business if you clear your debt at the end of the month.
@ Hal Austin at 9 :33 AM
I am not at all afraid to show my age. I am happy with me. Of course we know that the practice is a Ponzi scheme and occasionally collapses when one participant no longer plays the game and declares : ” The Emperor has on no clothes”. We also know who take up the tab…….the same lower and middle income groups.
Listen to Hal. These country and company leaders all have a bevy of advisors. This is the ME generation. The concept of saving to buy, or figuring out how one will repay debt, is as outdated as dinosaurs. Maximize your personal benefits while you have the chance. Let somebody else deal with issues arising later when you are gone.
Take you last breath and spend you last dollar the same day and let government pay to bury you! Lol
But alas when you are small as a mouse and the other party is as big as an elephan it is real, real “hard to negotiate.”
can’t punch anywhere near that weight class but you should hear them boasting.
@Crusoe August 15, 2020 4:28 AM “The elephant in the room is whether the Scotland district is viable for anything other than agriculture, nature reserve. I submit that, when one considers the infrastructure investment required to get access to fit state, it is not. It should be zoned purely for agriculture and as a national park. Move residences out of there. The land is unstable and it will forever be an issue.”
And the land filling from Pelican Island to Barbados was NOT without consequences. Just ask the families on the seaside of the West Coast, not all ric and white, in fact many, many poor and black who lost their backyards when the water was displaced from the area of the Deep Water Harbour. Of course they received no compensation for the lost of their land. Who compensates poor black people? This is a story little known.
The fair started at 10 a.m. and was scheduled to end at 2 p.m., however all the lots were sold just after 12 p.m.
At nearly $800,000/acre, land en cheap.
Who bought the land. In that location, Bds$800000 an acre is cheap, if you are building multi-million dollar homes; but if you want a house spot to build a family home costing $250000, then that is hugely expensive.
But why is the NHS (the Mottley government) still selling off Crown land. I have said on BU on numerous occasions that by 2023 there will be no Barbados to talk of. Mottley’s articulated plan is to sell off all state-owned property. One reason she got rid of Prescod.
Has Commissiong got any views on this?
@ N O and Hal,
The National Housing Corporation is selling the lots .
The lots which are between 5 000 to 7 000 square feet are being sold at BDS$18 per square feet
Can one person buy more than one lot? But why are they selling land? People need homes, not land. Go to Parish Land in St Philip to see how badly our housing planning is. Little units with lots of space between each. Now they are moving in the squatters.
The president is the minister for town and country planning. Instead of jumping for some silly United Nations position, she should concentrate on getting Barbados back on track.
She is lacking in ideas, incompetent.
“Instead of jumping for some silly United Nations position”
You have touched on an issue that has been on my mind for a few days. I saw some cheering and doing a victory lap for Mia and some questions immediately came to mind
(1) What are the duties (if any) of this “new position”?
(2) How much of her time would this position take?
(3) Can she be an effective Prime Minister, Minister of Finance and Minister of Economic Affairs and Investment and at the same time be Development Committee chair for the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF)?
(4) Is there a possibility that this multi-tasking could be to the detriment of the island?
(5) How many leaders have served in this role at that the same time they were in office?
Just getting nominated was an honor. Perhaps, we will not regret that she should have said “Thank you, but No”.
Smoke and mirrors don’t solve problems.
She is world class. Little Barbados is now marginal. How can an entire nation be fooled by such an egotistical, self-obsessed, self-important autocrat?
I wonder what Mia has to do to get a little respect round here. I know! She could drop dead!
There is a push for successful black female leaders in politics and business, especially amongst liberals, in the likes of Oprah, Michelle, Meghan. Mia Mottley has the credentials to become popular worldwide in various roles as a similar international ambassador for black woman.
@Hal Austin August 16, 2020 1:45 PM “Can one person buy more than one lot? But why are they selling land? People need homes, not land.”
Well regardless of what you think, the buyers thought differently. The land sold more quickly than sno-cones on a hot day, or breadfruits on a Saturday morning. 62 lots sold in 2 hours
I wish both MMs all the best. Now and in the future.
Asking a few honest questions not be seen as a criticism,
Buying land and building apartments or houses on it are good returns on investments.
Often land owners will just advertise plans and require deposits and mortgages in place to start the builds.
There are also maintenance and management fees for housing complexes as regular income.
Hal Austin August 16, 2020 1:45 PM “Go to Parish Land in St Philip to see how badly our housing planning is. Little units with lots of space between each. Now they are moving in the squatters.”
In the Barbados tradition, build build small, then as they get more children or more money or both, they build out.
I bought my lot in 1978, but did not build on it until 1988, by which time i had completed payments on the lot, and saved 28% of what it would cost to construct the actual house, so I had a fairly small, quite manageable mortgage compared to my wages, so was able to pay of the mortgage in less than 20 years.
Lot of us financial illiterates suffering from the with the Bajan condition do the same.
@NorthernObserver August 16, 2020 1:07 PM “@Hants. At nearly $800,000/acre, land en cheap.”
Indeed land in Barbados is not cheap.
But as our friend BAJE never tires of reminding us we live on a li’l 2 x 3 island. And when a resource is scarce it is alas typically also very expensive.
I’ll be honest we cover Canada’s wide expanses, but again alas we cannot declare war on our far northern neighbor, because we are only a li’l 2 x 3 island and we know that we cannot win against a population of nearly 40 million.So the Canadians safe from us…for now.
Here in this li’l 2 x 3 place. we do the best we can with what we have.
@Hal Austin August 16, 2020 1:21 PM “Who bought the land?”
I expect a lotta poor black, barely holding on to lower middle class women like me, who worked hard and saved harder and consistently for a decade or more. And got up at 4:30 n the morning to cook hot lunches for ourselves and our families so that we would not have to buy lunch in town, who walked a mile to take the bus so that we would not have to buy a car, who never smoked, drank or gambled, and who enjoyed little entertainment or recreation, who went to night school to upgrade ourselves and earn promotions because we could never afford to quit our day jobs, who had or will have only 1 or 2 children, instead of the 3 or 4 we wold have preferred…
@Hal Austin August 16, 2020 1:21 PM ” I have said on BU on numerous occasions that by 2023 there will be no Barbados to talk of. Mottley’s articulated plan is to sell off all state-owned property.”
So if the Crown Land is all sold to Bajans whose families have lived here landless or virtually landless for upwards of 16 generations why would anybody have a problem with that?
If the Chinese wish to build a road in St Peter then they should absolutely be allowed to construct it. Ignore the hysteria and google the roads that China has built and is building in Africa.
No nation since the Romans has undertaken projects of the scale and complexity of what China is constructing successfully in Africa.
You know that it is St.Andrew right? And not St.Peter.
Two different places.
Lots of land slips in St. Andrew.
Send us some links of where the Chinese built roads in places highly vulnerable to land slips.
They can build the roads, I don’t doubt. They built the Great Wall and it is still standing, but was the Great Wall built on land highly vulnerable to land slips?
When the land slips again we will feel real-real foolish paying for a road that is no longer there.
And I know the Chinese ain’t God, and that they will not forgive us our debts.
$6 million dollars in 2 hours. Bajans investing some of their savings in land.
The lower middle class one has to believe from the pictures have sourced loans to finance purchases.
I am not sure if it was Sir Cow or Bizzy, who said that their mummy told them “land don’t spoil”
Lots of Bajan mummies and some daddies too tell their children the very same thing.
@ Hants at 5;22 PM
Yes. It is characteristic l for Barbadians to invest their savings in land and the education of their children. So the billions you see on deposit accounts are there for legitimate purposes not for speculative investments.
Please note that these are small house spots of 5000 – 6000 sq .ft at $18.00 per square foot. Building the house will cost between $300 K to $400 K at todays prices.