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SOCIAL JUSTICE NETWORK & CLINICS
CBC Pension Scandal
In the High Court of Judicature – CV 2550 of 2002

In September 2000 CBC paid out the proceeds from a CBC/ICB Group Non-contributory Pension Policy to a named beneficiary. The 2nd Claimant is the rightful heir to the deceased assets. The named Beneficiary, Dawn Abrams-Grazette (defendant), first told the Claimants and their attorney Dr Haynes Blackman that everything belonged to the 2nd Claimant. Upon instructions by Dr Blackman that his Clients would be taking charge of the Estate, the defendant became acrimonious. She claimed she meant everything in the estate.

Pensions are Trusts and are part of a deceased estate under protection. I started from this trajectory. Thus ensued two decades long search and battle to bring these proceeds back to the rightful beneficiary.

The defendant claimed that since the named beneficiary was her it was hers and was for
her only. You can learn a lot from a dummy!

The 1st Claimant would have none of this. Court proceedings were initiated using the Succession Act. Dr Blackman died, the second Attorney became a judge then Rositta Babb died, Carolyne Herbert died. All these attorneys agreed that the second claimant had priority to the beneficiary as per the Family Law and Succession Act.

Between 2002 and 2015 a dozen attorneys were consulted and all reiterated that once a
named beneficiary is noted that is that.

CBC for their part and as Administrator/Trustees of the Group Life Pension Plan did nothing, like claw back or rescind the payment since they had that authority under a non-contributory Pension Plan. It was the CBC’s Plan not the insured/deceased. Instead the then General Manager hid behind a veil claiming the CBC carried out the deceased wishes. Not forgetting it is a non-contributory pension plan. The GM is now Chairman.

Between 2015 and 2018 the claimants retained a new attorney and was told that they had to prove that it was intended for the minor by way of the specifics of the plan. The attorney tried to get information from the CBC regarding the terms of the Plan. Though information about the kind of Plan and when it was effected was provided CBC refused to give any information regarding the operation of the said plan and who intrinsically is entitled to claimor benefit from it.

At a deadlock the 1st Claimant suggested that if the attorney could not by authority get CBC to hand over the information she would take over the case and so the attorney pulled out. This signalled apparent blood dripping and the defendant’s attorney jumped at the opportunity to strike out on the grounds of an abuse of process but the 1st Claimant argued differently. The matter was adjourned to March 2019 for submissions from both parties. The 1st claimant took charge and reread all the information received for CBC and ICB’s Members’ Handbook and proceeded. Listed in the information was the fact that the policy was effected in 1996 (the year before the new Insurance Law which states a named beneficiary is final)

A visit to ICB met with more stalling because the Letters of Administration had expired. They too refused to cooperate. However the Members’ handbook had clearly stated that benefits were for dependants only. It also stated that the Master Plan for this Policy was lodged with the Inland Revenue Department (IRD) which was originally the statutory body handling Pensions and Insurance.

Submissions were filed within the deadlines but the matter (because the claimants were
self represented) were being adjourned and adjourned until red-phone calls began to fly.
During all that time the Claimant visited four locations of the IRS now BRA only to be told
Pensions and Insurances are being handled by the Financial Services Commission (FSC).

In October 27 2019 the parties met before court for pleadings. The Judge was unwilling to
hear from the ‘unrepresented’ party. However pleadings proceeded and the matter was adjourned to January 27 for a Decision and Claimants to seek counsel. There was no need
for counsel since all submissions were already filed. The adjournments were working in the Claimants’ favour.

A visit to FSC and discussions and explorations revealed that the two instruments are very different. In the words of the Officer: Pension is not Insurance. Dumbfounded the Claimant asked to clarify that statement and was told each has its own legislation. Armed with this new information the Claimant filed further submissions to include this detail as well as new independent submissions for the second claimant reinforcing the right to maintenance and priority…

On January 27 there was no decision forthcoming. New pleadings erupted about the further submissions and the erroneous defence of using the Insurance Act to defend a Pension Plan.

The matter was again adjourned to April 1st for decision. There was a national lockdown
from March so nothing came of that, although some sectors were functioning virtually,
including the Judiciary. The courts resumed operations since May 18th but no decision yet forthcoming.

From May to now is four months where decisions are due within three months.
From January 27 to now is eight months.
Barbados is a twilight Zone.

Even the Judiciary where justice is sought is of questionable behaviour. Its rank of incompetence and other odiousness. It is no wonder the cases are backed up. Judges playing the A********* all the time. Clogging up the system with cases that need only be heard once and discharged but rather adjourning and adjourning and
adjourning. Its a scam.

As long as it takes, a decision one way or another has to be made. It cannot be made in favour of a defence on the Insurance Act.

  1. The 2nd Claimant has priority as per the Succession Act
  2. The Pensions Act and ICB Handbook and Master Plan dictates benefits for
    dependants only. The 2nd Claimant is the sole issue and dependent of the deceased.
    Me, just me and my statistician and secretarial skills was able to unravel a rather
    straightforward case in effect. No mystery no intrigue. Just common sense.
    Twenty RH years. Paying attorneys that were spewing more RH. I could have decided to defend this case since 2002 and be over and done with it. But nothing happens before its
    time.

The claim before the courts is for:

  1. Return of the Policy proceeds and interest and multiplier (% devaluation of each $1)
  2. Damages for duress and opportunity cost
  3. Devastavit of estate
  4. Disgorgement (seizure of all gains made from the proceeds).

I do not know how attorneys are learning or how they are serving clients but they are just not impactful and or knowledgeable in uncommon areas of the law.  One attorney, number 13, with a PhD was adamant that I didn’t stand a chance because there is a named beneficiary. None of them noticed (or perhaps they were representing the defendant or protecting CBC), that the particular policy went into effect before the amendment to the Insurance Act (1997).

My advice to employees of CBC is that they check and update their beneficiaries to their Pension Plan regularly to ensure that who they want to have it gets it. Do not depend on the Administrators of the Plan. It is either they do not know or understand their responsibility or the operation of the Plan or it was a grave duck up.

Secondly, mothers who have children with workers at CBC and are eligible for Pensions (10years service) should ensure that the beneficiary form is completed properly and where necessary an added notation (on the Form) expressing who the proceeds are for where there is a named beneficiary other than the children.

All is well that ends well.


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202 responses to “CBC Pension Scandal”


  1. It is the management of CBC that is responsible for holding the Trustees accountable?

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  2. @ BU * under the CBC plan was the Board of Trustee setup?*
    Not sure I understand you.
    ICB was government-owned when the Statutory Corporations Pension Scheme was set up in Barbados. What I gather from the said Act is that the Trustees ICB had to be scrupulously screened/vetted and approved. Not sure if the Trustee of the Scheme has a Board or its the one and same ICB governing Board that administers it.
    ICB has been uncooperative.


  3. Cherfleur is correct. There is rudimentary knowledge on everything. Not enough work to be able to specialise. My attorneys told me plenty of stuff that made no sense to me and I INSISTED they research it. Turns out I was right. The junior attorney said she would like to arrange a seminar to inform other attorneys. But Johnny Cheltingham knew and put a certain Depeiza who was acting on behalf of ICB in her place about the same argument years before. I found that out from talking to a lady who had the same problem. She confirmed what I was thinking.

    Some of these attorneys just don’t know.


  4. @Chefleur

    As far as this blogmaster is aware companies usually setup a committee of trustees comprised of employees to ensure the pension rules are being adhered to and efficiently communicated to employees.

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  5. @ Critical Analysis With regards to this case and cases of this type, the only defendants should be the trustee and or insurance company since they would have made the decision as to who gets the money. The person who received the funds (beneficiary) should be left completely out of the case. To me, it encourages vindictiveness on the plaintiff’s part to expect a beneficiary to have to have to defend against family members that did not agree with the wishes the deceased made with their property.

    Appearances and opinions and feelings and thoughts are not law. Has no place in legal proceedings.

    Every Plan has rules. Employees Pension Plans are governed by ILO and Trust laws. Remember, Pension is intended for the employee, first, when he retires.thus the named beneficiary post does not give entitlement. Secondly, it is for dependants, in the event of untimely death. The Plan is not a private pension so the party can’t willy nelly choose who he/she feels like.

    Every case before the court has unique details and specifics. As I said the Claimant (minor) has legal rights by priority. There was no spouse. So no one else has a legal right to the proceeds. Because the Claimant was a minor that legal detail puts a new or different dimension on things.

    Courts do not entertain vindictiveness. when a claim is filed the party has to list the grounds and it must be backed by a law or practiced direction

    I think you are being clouded by emotions. Please read Hal Austin’s account I don’t want this to be long, especially
    PENSION IS NOT INSURANCE, regardless of your feelings and what you might want t to be.


  6. Under Barbados law widows and widowers take precedence, even when there are minor children, because the state of Barbados like most states privileges marriage. Maybe states ought not to privilege marriage, but they almost all do.


  7. @ Hal Austin this is not funny at all. great incompetence
    I say Corruption.
    Why I said CBC hid behind a voil curtain ( claiming they upheld the deceased wishes).
    Although the claimant was a minor and they were advised by Dr Haynes Blackman in June 2000 that the minor existed and that he was representing her they made the disbursement in September.
    Why I say also that CBC/ICB do not know their responsibility to the pensioners/employees.
    Why I am advising employees to enquire into their benefits and be vigilant

    BCC and CBC don’t understand their functions and responsibilities to their clients and employees.


  8. The devil is in the details.
    Why the claim was brought against the Defendant and not the CBC/ICB. The Claimant first said everything belonged to the Claimant and she was going to administer the estate for the Claimant. When that was usurped, she not only tried to hold onto these proceeds but everything else that belonged to the deceased that was easily convertible.

    @Critical Analysis I think the party to be sued is the Trustee/Administrators and not the named beneficiary Again the specifics of this case do not support that position. Cases are not brought on grounds of “I thinks”. Evidence only.


  9. @ Critical Analysis * I’m also going to assume a minor is not in the mix since they tend to complicate matters and have special carve outs in the laws.*
    I beg you please do not assume.
    I specifically stated in my article the Succession Act and that the Claimant was the only issue of the deceased and had priority to the named beneficiary. However, if I didn’t make myself clear I will state again that the Claimant was a minor at the time of death


  10. @ Cherfleur

    Were the trustees trained? Incompetence can often look like corruption, especially in Barbados where every Tom, Dick and Harriette has a paper qualification.
    Going to Cave Hill and then t he Wooding does not mean you are knowledgeable ab out the law. Being brief by some poor sod and then getting up in a court in your robe .
    Our problem is incompetence, not corruption. You will always get the Donvilles, but it is very difficult for Barbadians to admit they do not know what they do not know.


  11. @ critical analysis Basically what I understand you to be saying in a general sense is the whole affair hinges on what powers the pension plan contract and any overriding laws gives to the plan’s trustee(the employer/CBC in this case) to abide by or go against the wishes of the deceased and if any such overriding decision taken by the trustee is discriminatory.

    You are not understanding me to say that, sir.
    The plan is CBC’s. They have the power to disregard who and employee identifies as Beneficiary if that person does not fit the criteria for the beneficiary; is not a dependant. There is nothing discriminatory about that. Employees are given Handbooks and they were to be schooled in the operation of the Plan and what it entails at the time of becoming eligible to join it. Thus they would know it was for Dependants (spouse and children) and that CBC could reject anyone outside that bracket or may in special circumstances accept any other relationship that is a ‘dependant’.


  12. Pensions can be mis-sold. Who is the pensions regulator in Barbados?


  13. So who gets the money?

    The estranged widow, formerly the long term wife, who was also the named beneficiary?

    Or the minor child?

    This is one for the Biblical Solomon

  14. Critical Analyzer Avatar
    Critical Analyzer

    @cherfleur
    I do understand you. However, I am only concerned with how pension plan administrators (CBC/ICB in this case) executed their role as trustee and properly managed the pension plan as it relates to complying with the terms of the pension plan’s contract and applicable laws. If there are any failures or contract breaches, the trustees should hold the stick since they are the ones in charge of the funds.

    I also understand you in that at least in this case CBC has the final decision to override or not override the deceased’s beneficiary choice. However, this determination should not be made after the employee’s death but should always be made when the beneficiary change form is submitted where they review and approve or reject the requested beneficiary change there and then. Once that beneficiary change is approved, that should be final.

    Whether the defendant initially said they wanted nothing is immaterial unless the defendant signed something rejecting their claim and reverting it back to the estate.


  15. @ Curley 16 CBC is or was part of the SCPP.
    What is SCPP? The ICB Hand book refers to SCPF. The Handbook states that ICB is the Administrator. my mistake.
    Occupational Pensions Benefits Cap 350B 23: “The Administrator of a pension plan shall make available for inspection, without charge, the prescribed documents and information in respect of the pension plan and the related pension fund on the written request of:….”
    But you cannot get any information from ICB. They say they have no relationship with 3rd parties (employees and beneficiaries) only the Administrator/Owner of the Scheme and always direct you back to that entity. That is CBC
    So ICB doesn’t know its statutory role and CBC refuses to give information that would incriminate them in gross negligence or worse.
    Statutory Boards Pensions CAP 384 identifies Administrator as


  16. Would people who are not experts in Trusts, Insurance or Pensions stop advising and stating that Pension is Insurance?
    PENSIONS ANR NOT INSURANCE.
    Google pensions v insurance. There is no excuse for ignorance in these days of information technology.
    Each is governed by a separate Act.


  17. They all just keep going alrededor y alrededor in circles…and left to continue will do so for another 50 years.


  18. @Cudher Bajan who gets the funds, estranged wife or child lol
    When you assume you make an ……..!
    There are no wives in this instance.
    The named beneficiary is an adult relative, far down the line of succession.
    So you can answer the other part of your query yourself.

  19. Walter Blackman Avatar

    David August 16, 2020 7:17 AM

    “@ Cherfleur
    Can you share CBC Pension plan hand book, specifically…?
    What does it say specifically about registering, removing and updating beneficiaries?
    What does it say who are eligible?”

    Critical Analyzer August 16, 2020 5:17 PM

    “@cherfleur
    I am only concerned with how pension plan administrators (CBC/ICB in this case) executed their role as trustee and properly managed the pension plan as it relates to complying with the terms of the pension plan’s contract and applicable laws.”

    David & Critical Analyzer,
    You are both on the right track.

    No intelligent discussion can take place about an issue related to the administration of a pension plan if you do not have a copy of that “pension plan’s contract”. The contract must be amended and upgraded from time to time to comply with all applicable laws and regulations.


  20. More Drama
    ICB is Administrator as per their Handbook
    @ Curley16 CBC is trustee
    Pensions Trustees are entities that are mandated to hold and manage the Portfolio of funds such as Banks, Insurance Companies etc. (separate from the employers’ assets. ICB was that institution and was charged with the daily operation of the funds. This much I do know.
    https://www.thepensionsregulator.gov.uk/en/document-library/regulatory-guidance/trustee-guidance
    CBC advised the Trustee ICB as to who died, when and what his estate was entitled to, and who to make the payment to.
    However, the specifics in this discussion and the focus is on the court case and the various intrigue at play between CBC ICB. the defendant and the legal fraternity.


  21. There are individual trustees and corporate trustees. What we need is a radical overhaul of the pensions system – occupational, private and the state pensions. The whole system is a mess.


  22. More Drama
    ICB is Administrator as per their Handbook
    @ Curley16 *CBC
    Pensions Trustees are entities that are mandated to hold and manage the Portfolio of funds such as Banks, Insurance Companies etc. (separate from the employers’ assets. ICB was that institution and was charged with the daily operation of the funds. This much I do know.
    https://www.thepensionsregulator.gov.uk/en/document-library/regulatory-guidance/trustee-guidance
    CBC advised the Trustee ICB as to who died, when and what his estate was entitled to, and who to make the payment to.
    However, the specifics in this discussion and the focus is on the court case and the various intrigue at play between CBC ICB. the defendant and the legal fraternity.


  23. @ Walter no intelligent discussion can take place about this pension plan without the ….
    LOL
    This article about the case before the court but I see persons took a position and ran down with it using insurance law and what they know. Hal Austin, perhaps works with Pensions and thus has offered all the salient and factual points as are in the Claim.
    What CBC or the government do from hereon with their pensions has no bearing on this case. The particular Policy was signed into effect in 1996 and proceeds disbursed in 2000. The common denominator in any Pension, whether private, statutory or government/public is that it is intended for dependents.
    You can try getting a copy of the Contract from CBC as my goodly attorney tried and failed.
    The Claimants have all the facts that they needed to file the claim.
    The matter is before a Judge for decision a long time now.


  24. What we have are public servants (at that time) managing by default at agencies. What happens when an anomaly occurs, they do not know what to do. They do nothing or they pander to less bothersome or one of less resistance. There has never been a challenge to Pensions in Barbados (apparently) that’s why everyone, including a dozen attorneys, was running with the Insurance Law.
    CBC instructed ICB to pay out the proceeds to the named beneficiary. No error there.
    However, Dr Haynes Blackman had written CBC in June and the 2nd attorney in late July advising of the minor child/Claimant’s existence. What happened to the two letters? Where did they go that the then GM intelligently stated that CBC was not aware of the existence of the child because the employee never told them such? Screen of voile


  25. @Hal Austin * system wants overhauling; whole system is a mess*
    Hal, my intention was to bring attention to the court case, errors and the judiciary, but I myself am now realizing what a can of worms this is, now that I am reading and attempting to satisfy the readers’ queries.
    I know that you too have realized some very major issues….discrepancies,….
    Its sickening.
    Cross-reference it to BCC, it was the same damn thing and all the managers were going on as per usual with their head up their arses and adamant that they were doing it for 40 years therefore it is correct.
    I so shame.


  26. @ Walter Blackman * David August 16, 2020 7:17 AM

    “@ Cherfleur
    Can you share CBC Pension plan hand book, specifically…?
    What does it say specifically about registering, removing and updating beneficiaries?
    What does it say who are eligible?”

    Remember this was signed into effect at a time when ICb was government-owned. It is the Statutory Boards Pensions Act that governed its implementation and operations.
    #1 Do you mean as in scan it? It’s a lot to type.
    Interestingly, ICB’s current attorneys (perhaps CBC’s HR too) have never seen this piece of literature. :O
    Many of these people have a weird notion about the very Pensions they are appointed to manage and supervise. Again see Hal Austin’s commentaries on the supervision and administration of Pensions, public or private, contributory and non-contributory and even on trusts.
    #2 employee has to be appointed, has to have 10 years of full-time service. Removing is done simply by signing a new form at HR.
    #3 eligible for what? Membership of benefits? Pensions are essentially for retired employees. In the event of a death in service (before retirement), then dependants (wife, common-law/partner and children) are eligible for benefits.

    Walter this line of questioning is opening other items I do not really want to get into at this time or at this forum.
    ICB is already in the news with the donville Inniss matter.

  27. Walter Blackman Avatar

    Cherfleur,
    Before anyone can open their mouth and make a pronouncement on how much of a pension benefit was accrued by the participant, and who should receive what if the participant dies before or after retirement, the contract governing the pension plan must be referenced.

    If there is a dispute, and the case is brought before a judge, the judge should be the first person to tell you that the contract governing the pension plan must be referenced.

    I can try as hard as I would like to, but I cannot make the point simpler or clearer.


  28. @ Walter Blackman,
    Who opened their mouth and make a pronouncement on how much of a pension benefit was accrued? The Claimants are not interested in that.
    Who is questioning who should receive what….? The Claimants understand that there is a named beneficiary.
    Perhaps you are an attorney but I nor the Claimants were seeking legal advice at this forum. The matter is duly filed and pleaded and awaiting a decision.
    Many attorneys did not understand the difference between Pension and Insurance and I can still here persons arguing that Pension is Insurance, even though Hal has gone to great lengths to explain different and the FSC too has advised and directed to this effect.
    The Family Law Act takes precedence above all other Acts so I do not care what the others say or what your thoughts and pronouncement are.
    Try as I might I cannot make it clearer to you that the Claimants have all the relevant details and the matter has gone for decision. You do not have the Contract; that’s a pity. I am not here to adjudicate this matter I am simply sharing the experience with the public and advising employees to know their rights and interests and pursue it.
    I thank you for your contribution.


  29. What was amazing at the beginning of the proceedings,is that the Claimants were warned that they wouldn’t get dates and hearings. To date, the matters are all duly pleaded and awaiting decisions (one way or another) but attorneys are still lined up waiting for dates for their cases. I just do not understand what goes on in the judicial system.
    But again, although I have no great love for attorneys, I can vouch that they are not the reason clients are languishing for months for dates to have their cases pleaded..
    I’d be damned to invest so much money in training and pay for my license each year then suffer such disrespect and frustration at the hands of a failed system.


  30. If the matter is deposited in this public space commenters will want to discuss the issue from all angles. Confining the discussion to the case is one angle.


  31. You don’t know what you do not know.
    This is what makes the difference between one attorney and another. The difference between success and failure


  32. @ cherfleur

    You does get huffy puffy too quick,

    All Walter Blackman trying to tell you is that a judge, lawyer, claimant or anybody else have to refer to the pension plan contract before anybody could determine anything. What wrong with that?

    But here is the thing, Walter Blackman is NOT a lawyer, he is an ACTUARY……….you know what that is? Actuaries does deal with pensions, so he going to give you expert explanations bout pensions and insurance. But you being rude and dismissing him and prefer to listen to Hal Austin, who is just a man that uses to write newspaper columns.

    This here remind me bout what he tell you a few days ago. That you should seek professional advice from a financial planner, not a newspaper columnist.

  33. Walter Blackman Avatar

    Robert,
    You understand.
    Thanks for reinforcing what I consider to be a basic, preliminary point.

  34. Critical Analyzer Avatar
    Critical Analyzer

    I have mostly avoided commenting on the case itself and focused mostly on the initial beneficiary selection process triggering the whole case as that is more relevant to us as employees with pension plans whether company, NIS or otherwise.

    With regards to the case, it should have been brought against CBC since they were the ones that decided rightly or wrongly who to pay. It was not the defendant’s fault the cheque was issued to them and I don’t see the defendant being asked to pay back any money.

    The claims being put forward also come across to me like the claimants are very angry the defendant that got the money initially agreed and later decided not to pay it over to the deceased estate. From the time they received the cheque in their name, it was the defendant’s money to do with as they pleased.

    Frankly, I think the parties involved should just have let bygones be bygones and let the money go and move on as I don’t know the sum of money involved but it can’t be a large sum of money worth all this hassle so whatever the final decision is, the only people smiling will be the lawyers from all money they made in fees.

    I remember a similar situation in my family where a distant relative got the property and the deceased’s siblings felt aggrieved and wanted to sue but another family member told them it was not worth it, let it go and move it, you will just be putting money in the lawyer hands and stress themselves in the process.

    Moral of this whole case is, we have to know when to let things go, move on and learn how to manage our affairs better.


  35. @ Robert you get huffy puffy too quick 🙂
    Not really Sir.
    Walter, is assuming a lot of things. Read carefully it should be noted that the matter is before the courts and waiting for a decision. It is kinda late for Walter’s dictum, won’t you say?
    Walter is asking the people on BU to know the contract terms before spouting their mouths, which I thought was the rude interplay. Except ffor Hal who tried to explain by giving a practical example most people were simply trying to grasp all the intrigues and relevant information such as how to register and update the Beneficiary Form. Walter is assuming that the Judge doesn’t have what is needed and or that the judge hasn’t said what he thinks he should have said. Here again, Walter doesn’t know how litigation works. Judges have to take every claim as true and using the submissions which include all the Acts and Authorities weigh them and arrive at a just decision.
    I studied Finance which included a component on Trusts. Pensions are revocable Trusts. It is why I started from that point and directed rather than accepted attorneys’ narrow views on this case.
    I take your point of the Acturarian v Newspaperman. 🙂
    Again I am not here to adjudicate the Claim. What Hal presented on Pensions are all included in Submissions and case studies. That is why I can say he has a better grasp of what obtains.

    It is a very dangerous habit for persons, layman or other, to fall into the trap thinking that because someone is employed in a particular capacity or has a PhD, they know it all. Knowing about Pensions and Insurance is not knowing about the specifics about this here case. It might be instructive to Walter to visit legal websites and acquaint himself with the multitude of lawsuits regarding Pensions (and Insurances) and the power of minors and spouses (the Family Law). Please google The Pensions Authority.ie (since there is no such forum in the 3rd world to advise us on rights, operations and procedures).
    Employee Pensions are not operated as ‘islands”. The are ILO instructive.
    I am daunted that it has gone down the road of squabbling although to a lesser extend. For the most part, comments were exploratory and engaging, and informative. A great deal jumped out at me that I hadn’t realized before. It is intended that others be better informed.
    I could have come on and simply give an alert to parents to know what their children are entitled to (at any firm) and that they update their Beneficiary Forms appropriately. But what sense or impact would that have? I could see BU commenting and asking me to clarify or give more specifics. 🙂

    Again you are focusing on this policy and the value of the proceeds rather than the operation/management of the Scheme. This incident is gone; a done deed. That was not why I shared the case. But to highlight the various discrepancies originating at CBC and the attempts to derail the claimant/s investigations (why) and the ICB lack of professional ethics and skulduggery. we are not going to give you anything that can incriminate us. :O
    Again, courts are not interested in petty grievances, but facts supported by a Law/Act No Act, no grounds, no Claim.

    Let me ask you and those who think it shouldn’t be. Were it a house, that was left for a child but by some mishap, it fell out of the bag. What would you do?

    I trust that the post was instructive and informative to persons/parents (with dependents and minors) who are employed in organizations that manage Pension Schemes.


  36. As Walter stated the is an issue that ventures into the complicated. It is not a binary matter to solve.


  37. Cherfleur August 16 ,2020
    The old heads called it SCPP sorry . Statutory Corporation Pensions Fund SCPF with more corporations and companies joining thereafter. Trustees were determined by the participants consisting of Hr. Manager,Corporate Secretary, GM , Union rep or someone appointed by the general body and two personages from the Corporation (ICB) notably the Manager & FC if memory serves. The devil is in the detail,reasons for the request of the member’s handbook or a copy of the trust deeds and rules. There were very few of us trained in the discipline,in fact two British solicitors Iain Pope and Norman Freathy were instrumental in the setup. Colin Williams was knowledgeable not recalling any other locally. Public servants who were seconded or transferred, pensions were integrated another spin 1974 and 1981. Only a chosen few are entitled to eat a food in these disciplines.


  38. @ Cherfleur

    I am not clear about the professional advice given tot he claimants. It appears as if they received incorrect or conflicting advice from the lawyers.
    I suggest you have a look at taking acting against the professionals’ indemnity insurers, and if they do not have any, their estate. That may be an easier case to prove.


  39. @ Hal Austin I am not clear about the professional advice given tot he claimants. It appears as if they received incorrect or conflicting advice from the lawyers.
    I suggest you have a look at taking acting against the professionals’ indemnity insurers, and if they do not have any, their estate. That may be an easier case to prove.

    Pensions are Trusts.
    https://www.fidelity.com/life-events/estate-planning/trusts
    Employee Pensions have 2 levels of Trustees. The one that is managing the funds for the Firm and the one that is named in the event of the employee’s death (before retirement).
    Remember Pensions are for the employee, first and foremost.


  40. Congratulations to a former colleague for her new appointment as Canada’s new finance minister. She came from an organisation with an outstanding record.


  41. @ BU As Walter stated the is an issue that ventures into the complicated. It is not a binary matter to solve.
    yes David. Some shocking things coming out of this blog and from the investigations into what happened.
    One party in this blog adamantly stated that PENSIONS IS INSURANCE help me with who that was. its important.
    All the attorneys I consulted were of the view that the Pensions and Insurance were governed by the same law.
    Many persons managing in Financial Services too (unless dealing with Pensions) aren’t aware that Pensions has its own Act.
    But these people are employed to serve employees in this industry. Point in case, one Officer at an agency has a BSc in Sociology but is managing a financial instrument. I am not saying a Sociologist can’t be a Minister of Agriculture of AG. Training
    This case is one for the Crown because (apparently) never before has a Pension Plan been challenged. Always (it seems) the Named Beneficiary is the spouse who would share with the children or perhaps an employee’s parent who then shares with the known children.
    No spouse, a named Beneficiary (who has no priority) and CBC was out to sea.
    But CBC did not do criminally wrong. Pensions are Trusts so an employee too can name a person and Trust them to manage the proceeds for his/her final benificiary.


  42. @ BU As far as this blogmaster is aware companies usually setup a committee of trustees comprised of employees to ensure the pension rules are being adhered to and efficiently communicated to employees.

    The Handbook speaks of that and I am sure that is being done.
    However, I do not know what is the process for paying out upon death in service. If someone or those Trustees vet the Named Beneficiary to verify they are “a dependant”.


  43. For all practical purposes the management of the business through the HR dep[artment should ensure pension forms submitted comply with the rules of the plan supported by the administrator?


  44. @ Critical Analyser I also understand you in that at least in this case CBC has the final decision to override or not override the deceased’s beneficiary choice. However, this determination should not be made after the employee’s death but should always be made when the beneficiary change form is submitted where they review and approve or reject the requested beneficiary change there and then. Once that beneficiary change is approved, that should be final.

    We will have to suggest that to CBC et al. Of course, we do not know what transpired between CBC and the employee at the time the form was changed. CBC remains uncooperative.

    Whether the defendant initially said they wanted nothing is immaterial unless the defendant signed something rejecting their claim and reverting it back to the estate.
    The defendant never said they didn’t want anything. They said it was all for the minor. Of course, it is material. Pensions are Revocable Trusts. They form part of a deceased estate. Figure Donald Trump wants to pinch the government and put all he owns in a trust to avoid taxes, then later go behind and use it to build a golf course. If everyone was to do that the govt. would go broke. Therefore, assets placed into Trusts are governed by one or other Trust Law.
    The countless attorneys I sought advice from didn’t know that. They were advising that the named beneficiary (Form) takes it out of the estate.


  45. @ Cherfleur

    Pensions are not for employees, but for members of the scheme. There are active members of a scheme and deferred, or former, members.
    Also, there are two types of trustees – corporate and individual. Individual trustees should be trained. Corporate trustees have a wider remit.

    The Certificate in Pension Trusteeship will give those people wishing to become Professional Trustees the necessary qualification to prove their knowledge, and their application of this knowledge, in their role as a Professional Trustee. ..(Quote)

    The above course can be done online.


  46. @ Donna Cherfleur is correct. There is rudimentary knowledge on everything. Not enough work to be able to specialise. My attorneys told me plenty of stuff that made no sense to me and I INSISTED they research it. Turns out I was right. The junior attorney said she would like to arrange a seminar to inform other attorneys. But Johnny Cheltingham knew and put a certain Depeiza who was acting on behalf of ICB in her place about the same argument years before. I found that out from talking to a lady who had the same problem. She confirmed what I was thinking.

    Some of these attorneys just don’t know.

    It is so shocking. I had to do the same thing and I had this young attorney repeatedly telling me that I was not an attorney. Therefore only he knew. But I knew about Trusts. Then I researched Pensions.

    The problem begins at Cave Hill. Students are trained to pass exams. If you throw a curveball at many of these junior attorneys they wouldn’t know what to do. But they are arrogant as butt.

    These people don’t want to know how to do anything correctly. As Hal pointed out he invited a UK Solicitor to give a Workshop for Attorney and a known QC rejected it. Why?
    So we have some attorneys who don’t know but are taking cases and HR Managers and 1st Trustees who are perhaps not following the rules to the letter T and Administrators who are uninformed of all the laws/Acts that affect the instruments they are managing and minors and perhaps some spouses being denied benefits


  47. @ Crytical Analyser Once a beneficiary is named on any policy, that is it unless they have evidence of some type of fraud or criminal activity. All lawyers should have said so, charged the claimant for their advice and refused to file the case.

    This is not any policy.
    This is a Statutory Corporation Pension Scheme. It is a revocable Trust.
    It is governed by the Statutory Board Pensions Act.


  48. @ Hal Were the trustees trained? Incompetence can often look like corruption, especially in Barbados where every Tom, Dick and Harriette has a paper qualification.
    Going to Cave Hill and then t he Wooding does not mean you are knowledgeable about the law. Being brief by some poor sod and then getting up in a court in your robe .
    Our problem is incompetence, not corruption. You will always get the Donvilles, but it is very difficult for Barbadians to admit they do not know what they do not know.

    I would have to assume that some form of training was undertaken. My comment about corruption wasn’t leveled specifically at the Managers and Trustees but all the parties encountered along the journey up to and including the management and assigning of cases.
    https://www.u4.no/topics/anti-corruption-basics/basics


  49. @Curley 16 You are correct Pensions is not insurance. This is a matter that the Supervisor of Pensions can and should adjudicate, there should be a competent resource within the Commission to do such.

    this case opened a can of worms. I didn’t know what I did not know but was determined to find out. So all these agencies are now on the defense.


  50. @ BU, Donna, Curley 16, HAl
    The provision of a pension is the mechanism used to offer an individual financial protection against the risk of living a life that turns out to be too long. The financial protection comes mainly in the form of an annuity.
    The annuity and the lump sum death benefit are related, mathematically.
    In a nutshell, this is the reasoning that would lead me to disagree with you and argue that “pensions” are indeed insurance.

    Here lies Barbados’ problem. Persons educated and working id these financial services institutions clearly DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY DO NOT KNOW.
    I learned that the author is an Auctuarian. He is eloquent in articulating on Annuities etc and competent in calculating mathematically, outcomes and futures….aka Annuities.
    His REASONING rather than the fact compels him to state categorically that “pensions are insurance” in the face of all the Laws that states differently and the FSC who is the Body Supervising all financial instruments. I hope he is not at ICB.
    i have great respect for people’s time studying and their expertise but sometimes, just sometimes, some matters are more than just one tentacle. Yes, because pensions are a fund that money is contributed to over a period of time to benefit an employee in the future (retirement) they are computed using Annuity calculations just as for Insurance. Does that make them Insurances? Categorically NO. Insurances are not set up as Trusts, Pensions are.
    There is the Pensions Act, The Trust Act, the Family Law Act: maintenance AND the Succession Act.
    A few attorneys were au fait with the application of the Family Law Act (all parts) as it applies to this case and grounds for bringing a claim. But recognizing the aspect that this Policy was a Pension Plan, a Trust and that Pensions had its own Act was a novelty unless they knew and was playing the ass. But I seriously doubt.

    That is why the claimant was forced to take back the case and proceed with it.
    So

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