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SOCIAL JUSTICE NETWORK & CLINICS
CBC Pension Scandal
In the High Court of Judicature – CV 2550 of 2002

In September 2000 CBC paid out the proceeds from a CBC/ICB Group Non-contributory Pension Policy to a named beneficiary. The 2nd Claimant is the rightful heir to the deceased assets. The named Beneficiary, Dawn Abrams-Grazette (defendant), first told the Claimants and their attorney Dr Haynes Blackman that everything belonged to the 2nd Claimant. Upon instructions by Dr Blackman that his Clients would be taking charge of the Estate, the defendant became acrimonious. She claimed she meant everything in the estate.

Pensions are Trusts and are part of a deceased estate under protection. I started from this trajectory. Thus ensued two decades long search and battle to bring these proceeds back to the rightful beneficiary.

The defendant claimed that since the named beneficiary was her it was hers and was for
her only. You can learn a lot from a dummy!

The 1st Claimant would have none of this. Court proceedings were initiated using the Succession Act. Dr Blackman died, the second Attorney became a judge then Rositta Babb died, Carolyne Herbert died. All these attorneys agreed that the second claimant had priority to the beneficiary as per the Family Law and Succession Act.

Between 2002 and 2015 a dozen attorneys were consulted and all reiterated that once a
named beneficiary is noted that is that.

CBC for their part and as Administrator/Trustees of the Group Life Pension Plan did nothing, like claw back or rescind the payment since they had that authority under a non-contributory Pension Plan. It was the CBC’s Plan not the insured/deceased. Instead the then General Manager hid behind a veil claiming the CBC carried out the deceased wishes. Not forgetting it is a non-contributory pension plan. The GM is now Chairman.

Between 2015 and 2018 the claimants retained a new attorney and was told that they had to prove that it was intended for the minor by way of the specifics of the plan. The attorney tried to get information from the CBC regarding the terms of the Plan. Though information about the kind of Plan and when it was effected was provided CBC refused to give any information regarding the operation of the said plan and who intrinsically is entitled to claimor benefit from it.

At a deadlock the 1st Claimant suggested that if the attorney could not by authority get CBC to hand over the information she would take over the case and so the attorney pulled out. This signalled apparent blood dripping and the defendant’s attorney jumped at the opportunity to strike out on the grounds of an abuse of process but the 1st Claimant argued differently. The matter was adjourned to March 2019 for submissions from both parties. The 1st claimant took charge and reread all the information received for CBC and ICB’s Members’ Handbook and proceeded. Listed in the information was the fact that the policy was effected in 1996 (the year before the new Insurance Law which states a named beneficiary is final)

A visit to ICB met with more stalling because the Letters of Administration had expired. They too refused to cooperate. However the Members’ handbook had clearly stated that benefits were for dependants only. It also stated that the Master Plan for this Policy was lodged with the Inland Revenue Department (IRD) which was originally the statutory body handling Pensions and Insurance.

Submissions were filed within the deadlines but the matter (because the claimants were
self represented) were being adjourned and adjourned until red-phone calls began to fly.
During all that time the Claimant visited four locations of the IRS now BRA only to be told
Pensions and Insurances are being handled by the Financial Services Commission (FSC).

In October 27 2019 the parties met before court for pleadings. The Judge was unwilling to
hear from the ‘unrepresented’ party. However pleadings proceeded and the matter was adjourned to January 27 for a Decision and Claimants to seek counsel. There was no need
for counsel since all submissions were already filed. The adjournments were working in the Claimants’ favour.

A visit to FSC and discussions and explorations revealed that the two instruments are very different. In the words of the Officer: Pension is not Insurance. Dumbfounded the Claimant asked to clarify that statement and was told each has its own legislation. Armed with this new information the Claimant filed further submissions to include this detail as well as new independent submissions for the second claimant reinforcing the right to maintenance and priority…

On January 27 there was no decision forthcoming. New pleadings erupted about the further submissions and the erroneous defence of using the Insurance Act to defend a Pension Plan.

The matter was again adjourned to April 1st for decision. There was a national lockdown
from March so nothing came of that, although some sectors were functioning virtually,
including the Judiciary. The courts resumed operations since May 18th but no decision yet forthcoming.

From May to now is four months where decisions are due within three months.
From January 27 to now is eight months.
Barbados is a twilight Zone.

Even the Judiciary where justice is sought is of questionable behaviour. Its rank of incompetence and other odiousness. It is no wonder the cases are backed up. Judges playing the A********* all the time. Clogging up the system with cases that need only be heard once and discharged but rather adjourning and adjourning and
adjourning. Its a scam.

As long as it takes, a decision one way or another has to be made. It cannot be made in favour of a defence on the Insurance Act.

  1. The 2nd Claimant has priority as per the Succession Act
  2. The Pensions Act and ICB Handbook and Master Plan dictates benefits for
    dependants only. The 2nd Claimant is the sole issue and dependent of the deceased.
    Me, just me and my statistician and secretarial skills was able to unravel a rather
    straightforward case in effect. No mystery no intrigue. Just common sense.
    Twenty RH years. Paying attorneys that were spewing more RH. I could have decided to defend this case since 2002 and be over and done with it. But nothing happens before its
    time.

The claim before the courts is for:

  1. Return of the Policy proceeds and interest and multiplier (% devaluation of each $1)
  2. Damages for duress and opportunity cost
  3. Devastavit of estate
  4. Disgorgement (seizure of all gains made from the proceeds).

I do not know how attorneys are learning or how they are serving clients but they are just not impactful and or knowledgeable in uncommon areas of the law.  One attorney, number 13, with a PhD was adamant that I didn’t stand a chance because there is a named beneficiary. None of them noticed (or perhaps they were representing the defendant or protecting CBC), that the particular policy went into effect before the amendment to the Insurance Act (1997).

My advice to employees of CBC is that they check and update their beneficiaries to their Pension Plan regularly to ensure that who they want to have it gets it. Do not depend on the Administrators of the Plan. It is either they do not know or understand their responsibility or the operation of the Plan or it was a grave duck up.

Secondly, mothers who have children with workers at CBC and are eligible for Pensions (10years service) should ensure that the beneficiary form is completed properly and where necessary an added notation (on the Form) expressing who the proceeds are for where there is a named beneficiary other than the children.

All is well that ends well.


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202 responses to “CBC Pension Scandal”


  1. “The 1st Claimant would have none of this. Court proceedings were initiated using the Succession Act. Dr Blackman died, the second Attorney became a judge then Rositta Babb died, Carolyne Herbert died. All these attorneys agreed that the second claimant had priority to the beneficiary as per the Family Law and Succession Act.”
    😂🤣😁

    the supreme court is a dangerous joke, as for the lawyers and those charged with handing down judgements, they die off just like everyone else, but with the little taxpayer funded shite jobs they get once politically appointed, they don’t act like it….a total shame and disgrace..

    one minute you hear decisions are to be handed down in a 3 month window, next time you hear it’s 6 months….they rarely get handed down in either time frame and that is what must be exposed for the whole world to see…it’s all a violation of people’s civil rights.


  2. This is not funny at all. Gross incompetence.


  3. Even the Judiciary where justice is sought is of questionable behaviour. Its rank of incompetence and other odiousness. It is no wonder the cases are backed up. Judges playing the A********* all the time. Clogging up the system with cases that need only be heard once and discharged but rather adjourning and adjourning and
    adjourning. Its a scam.

    @ Hal

    I HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS IN A CIVIL MANNER.

    BARBADOS IS ROTTEN TO THE CORE


  4. Steuspe


  5. @ Baje

    I have mentioned this before, but will again. Some time ago a senior lawyer at Slaughter and May, one of the top law firms in the UK, and considered at the time the top pensions lawyer in Britain, regularly visited Barbados.
    I went to interview him and, as you do, we got talking. When I told him I came from Barbados, he then told me of his annual holiday. I then asked if he would be interested in talking to a group of lawyers about pensions and he agreed. I then called a well-known QC and suggested the meeting to him.
    He was not keen. More interested in telling me that local lawyers were just as good as their UK counterparts. I then said the idea was to make contacts. To cut a long story short, it never came off.
    ,


  6. So should pension payments go to an elderly estranged spouse, to a minor child, to an adult son or daughter, or to all?

    These are the questions, and actually they are not very hard questions.

    And actually going forward no non-contributory pensions entirely funded by the taxpayer. Withhold some money for the employees to fund their own pensions.


  7. Fix it.
    Overhaul the judicial system.


  8. The main problem is the occupational pensions system. We need a new system, but instead of sorting out this awful crisis the president is off again on the world stage performing more optics. She is now too big for Barbados.
    It will end in tears.
    BTW, what is a legal definition of an occupational pension? Answer to our judges and politicians.


  9. It’s the players rotten to their core, there is nothing wrong with the island itself

    the lawyers, judges and all of those who are supposed to administer justice, too much political interference in everything from classless government ministers, if they don’t like you, you get a special kind of hellish treatment and never get anything completed as long as you don’t display the mental qualities of a slave to keep the rotten system going, you become their target….. , too many of them are downright nasty and unprofessional…this has been happening for decades, they are now more brazen than ever and ignoring the exposure…but they will all continue to be exposed as long as they are determined to violate Black people’s human rights.

    The ones that you actually find willing to do their jobs in the judiciary are less in number than the lowlifes and they too always have to watch their backs with them….both governments have enabled and condoned this, just as they did the corruption from the minority trash calling themselves social partnership or bizzy would not still have the nerve and be able to show his ugly, dried up spotted face and still talking a bunch of stupid shit in the media as though anyone is impressed by him, outside of BUs government owned slaves…

    it’s your black face sell out governments are the ones deliberately keeping the island in that horribly degraded societal condition.


  10. Pension?
    The New Retirement Normal “Employee Contributions” 401k or equivalent plans. If the company fails, you funds are safe with the broker house. Not a CLICO.


  11. Who is Judging the Judges?

    http://judicialconduct.judiciary.gov.uk/

    We will get back to you after COVID-19

    Thank you


  12. We have heard over and over during the years that people have complained for lawyers who believe they should make more money off the case’s progress than the claimant, therefore your case will never be completed, even 20 years later when they all look obese, bloated and about to go to their graves too….after sucking on whomever is paying..

    …. you hear the same about some judges, as the claimant and someone entitled to your compensation after settlement or decision, none of them want you to get what is rightfully yours, with their dirty, corrupt, corroded minds….this is nothing new.. people seeking justice cannot get any matter completed and resolved in that cursed situation at the court….as Barrow SAID…

    the first thing they do is calculate how much you are supposed to receive, then they determine that it’s too much money for you, that is despite the amount being your LOSS OF EARNINGS …in cases of personal injury….it’s RIGHTFULLY YOUR MONEY that you would have earned anyway, had you not been injured….but the wicked minded lawyers and judges will tell you straight up, that is too much money for you and hinting that you will get rich, the assholes…..not even articulating that after 10 or twenty years of waiting for a case to be completed, you will have a mountain of debt and will end up with very little, if anything, from their gross destructive wickedness of dragging the cases through the system indefinitely.

    it’s that evil mindset where negros hate seeing each other with anything, even when there is no need to..

    so it’s no surprise that an uncomplicated case like paying to the beneficiaries in an estate is still ongoing two decades later…


  13. We have a systemic issue with managing pension funds in Barbados and the region. We have burgeoning MP pensions, some public sector workers receiving two pensions and not to forget LIAT pilots whose pension fund was grossly mismanaged.


  14. A lot of these piece of shit lawyers who work for insurance companies believe they have some given right to do as they like …but let them carry on smartly….this is 2020.


  15. @ BAJE
    “Judiciary where justice is sought is of questionable behavior”.

    Mr. Deighton Kingsley Rawlings should be appointed as Chief Judge. Our Judiciary system would be second to none in the Caribbean. He is impartial and would lead by examples. He is also a member of Middle Temple in London, England. Deighton was admitted to the bar in 1967 ??????


  16. The systematic issue affecting the judiciary is not about impartial decisions. The business model (to borrow the term) is affected by lack of resources especially as it relates to ancillary services.


  17. The systematic issue affecting the judiciary is not about impartial decisions. The business model (to borrow the term) is affected by lack of resources especially as it relates to ancillary services….(Quote)

    What is this crap? What business model? If he does not know what he is talking about he should keep quiet.


  18. @ David,

    Ancillary services ? Did you mean computers,scheduling software,a digital law library etc ?


  19. @Hants

    +judges assistants +researcher etc

    There was a back page story a few weeks ago where the judge commented on the hindrances when she handed down a 15 year decision in the Kingsland Estates matter.


  20. @Hants

    Bear in mind a big part of the dysfunction is a heavy backlog.


  21. Is that the same backlog that Thompson changed the constitution to include Gibson to reduce over 9 years ago and it’s even worse now than before because nothing changed. The lawyers are still as vicious as ever pushing cases into adjournment after adjournment and maliciously creating delays to benefit the insurance company in avoiding paying claims., the judges are still not forceful or they would lock up such lawyers for contempt and for disrespecting their courtrooms..

    There is an instance where an insurance company lawyer absolutely refused for a whole year to file written submissions as directed by the judge and decided to file after the 6 month period that the judge was duty bound to hand down a decision…..all of them are to blame for their lackadaisical attitude to how these matters are litigated….and the total waste of everyone’s time…

  22. Critical Analyzer Avatar
    Critical Analyzer

    Once a beneficiary is named on any policy, that is it unless they have evidence of some type of fraud or criminal activity. All lawyers should have said so, charged the claimant for their advice and refused to file the case.

    What is really needed is a law forcing the lawyers filing these type of stupid cases to pay the court, defendant and defendant’s lawyer costs out of the lawyer’s own pocket for wasting everybody’s time.


  23. Some are still missing the point, unscrupulous lawyers see civil cases as cash cows to milk until everyone dies including themselves and if perchance the lawyer dies first, some lowlife in the bar association will take over and it’s wash, rinse and repeat…it’s a cycle of greed first and foremost that has reduced the supreme court to a worldwide laughing stock and everyone has something to say about all of them.. and some very sordid grievances to relay…..it’s so bad that their victims are organizing themselves, because something has to be done, it cannot be allowed to go into a new and fresh generations of victims with the same ugly style and system.


  24. “All lawyers should have said so, charged the claimant for their advice and refused to file the case.”

    cash cow.

  25. Critical Analyzer Avatar
    Critical Analyzer

    @WURA-War-on-U August 13, 2020 7:40 PM

    “cash cow.”

    The law system should make it a cash cow for the parties involved with all the money coming ONLY from the plaintiff’s lawyer pocket.

    I wish I had been the named beneficiary cause the plaintiff would not even have known I got the cheque and anybody in the know that talked, I would have had a case for breach of confidentiality.


  26. When i read these stories, they make me feel I should have become a lawyer in Barbados.
    I wudda tek up everything.

    Looking for the island you would not be able to find it unless you look in my pocket.

    Was living a life without regrets, until I realized how much I could have stolen.


  27. “The law system should make it a cash cow for the parties involved with all the money coming ONLY from the plaintiff’s lawyer pocket.”

    they will never do that as long as it’s all going into their own pockets….it’s a full utilization of the corrupt colonial system, remember they did not create it, but they know how to navigate and circumvent it…

    Theo…trust me, you do not want the label these have…and they will be more famous than they ever hoped to be by this time next year…there is no turning back for any them or they would have already made the requisite changes…and as everyone can see, they won’t even if they could…they built their own highway to destruction, it’s a freeway..

  28. William Skinner Avatar

    @ Hal
    Once again, not tears my Brother. Learn to laugh. Sixty years of Independence and all we get is fowl up after fowl up. Errol Barrow once said , if you want justice stay away from the law courts.
    Not tears ….learn to laugh.
    What fascinates me is the fact that we have been able to get so many things right and then we kind of balance it by getting so many things wrong.
    All the third parties and civic groups should get together and just focus on kicking the BLPDLP into political oblivion. That my Comrade is the only solution. Unfortunately that solution is not on the horizon.
    I listened attentively to the top economists paying tribute to Arthur today (VOB) and they concluded that many of his policies were unsuccessful or did not bear the fruit he expected because the private sector failed or bluntly refused to step up.
    Let’s look at it seriously: Two basically useless political parties that have lived out their usefulness; a lazy indifferent spoilt private sector ; a snail like judiciary; crumbling infrastructure and an economy that even before COVID had made three trips to be bailed out by the IMF. What really is this a recipe for?
    In the midst of all this bold stupidity , we have: an undemanding people; an exceptional level of creativity in our youth ; a rather docile trade union movement; a competent civil service and generally a country that should have been a beacon model for small developing countries. We Barbadians are A+ students who have decided to settle for a B- . And that’s our problem. We are embracing mediocrity and the weight is slowing drowning us all.
    I really hope the coming Throne Speech will be uplifting and that PM Mottley will realise she has the opportunity to lift the nation up- a kind of new beginning grounded in reality . Anything else will be a waste of time.
    Peace.


  29. There is some erroneous information contained herein of this article. CBC is or was part of the SCPP. There is a death in service benefit payable to a wife and dependant children after vesting , there is a group life plan ,which is separate and distinct . CBC is not the administrator ICB is , trustees appointed by CBC would assist with oversight based on the trust deed and rules of the plan. Benefits are payable to a designated beneficiary ,from recollection in Barbados your spouse is your beneficiary unless he or she waives this right in writing before your death. You are correct Pensions is not insurance. This is a matter that the Supervisor of Pensions can and should adjudicate, there should be a competent resource within the Commission to do such.


  30. When i read these stories, they make me feel I should have become a lawyer in Barbados.
    I wudda tek up everything.

    Looking for the island you would not be able to find it unless you look in my pocket.

    Was living a life without regrets, until I realized how much I could have stolen.

    Xxxxxxxx

    BARBADOS LAND OF TOTAL HONESTY AND TRANSPARENCY.

    BANANA REPUBLIC


  31. @TonyAugust 13, 2020 2:43 PM “Pension? The New Retirement Normal “Employee Contributions” 401k or equivalent plans. If the company fails, you funds are safe with the broker house.”

    What if the broker house fails?

    What if the broker house carry away the employee contributions?


  32. So what if I as a young woman gives birth to a child with an elderly man? What if he even leaves his equally elderly wife and comes to live with me? But alas for me he never divorces his wife, and alas again because he is old, old he dies while our child is still very young.

    What should his pension plan do?

    Pay the pension to the long time wife, though of recent years deserted, but still the LEGAL WIDOW? And who has been named in writing as beneficiary?

    Or to the mother of the young child in trust for the infant?

  33. Critical Analyzer Avatar
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    @ curley16 August 13, 2020 8:51 PM
    Your recollection, like most bajans, is ill-informed and dead wrong. That is why the lawyers robbing we bajans blind cause we refuse to get financially literate and go by hearsay and sound fair.

    1) A pension plan is insurance.
    2) The succession law only applies if the beneficiary is the estate as it will go into the asset pool. When a person(s) are specifically named as a beneficiary, it DOES NOT go into the asset pool. There is no waiving of rights. The beneficiary would have to decide to give away the money after they receive the cheque. i.e. If I decide to name my outside woman as the beneficiary on my pension or insurance policy, my wife and children can’t get a cent unless my outside woman give them.

    Hopefully that explanation will prevent the misinformed comments.


  34. Of course our courts are clogged up partly of nuisance cases. Litigants who bring frivolous to court, and then won’t give up. I think that people watch too much foreign TV.


  35. @ TheOGazerts August 13, 2020 8:22pm
    Man you are the ultimate/best.

  36. Walter Blackman Avatar

    curley16August 13, 2020 8:51 PM

    “You are correct Pensions is not insurance.”

    curley,
    Some people clearly see the risk associated with the relatively early and untimely death of a breadwinner. The consequences of such an unexpected death are loss of income and potential poverty for the family unit.

    Life insurance is the mechanism used to offer an individual financial protection against the risk of living a life that turns out to be too short. The financial protection comes mainly in the form of a lump sum death benefit.

    Some people clearly see the risk associated with a retiree living year after year, after year…. The consequences of such longevity are using up all available savings and assets, and a potential plunge into poverty for the individual in his or her “golden” years.

    The provision of a pension is the mechanism used to offer an individual financial protection against the risk of living a life that turns out to be too long. The financial protection comes mainly in the form of an annuity.

    The annuity and the lump sum death benefit are related, mathematically.

    In a nutshell, this is the reasoning that would lead me to disagree with you and argue that “pensions” are indeed insurance.


  37. I remember this being a years long and often talked about project of the former Chief Justice, but that’s all it is, still long talk. This is a result of two corrupt governments and multiple court officers reducing the society, the black majority to second class citizens unable to resolve simple issues because they have never had any experiences of justice coming out of the supreme court that they as taxpayers fund and keep in existence….this is the handiwork of t black leaders’ wickedness….they have helped an already rotten system, designed to stay in that state and they themselves further developed it to demean and degrade their people for so long that it will take many years, decades evern. before the society ever reaches a recovery stage….this is what happens when you deny your own people due process and justice for all of their lives…Barbados’ former and current leaders should be severely punished for these social crimes, people have been crying out for longer than many of us have been alive against the bigotry and inequality at the Supreme Court.

    “Thanking the Canadian government for its support in this and other projects over the years, Howard said it was one deemed to be extremely important to Barbados.

    She said there was a noticeable increase in tension among individuals in recent times and she believed mediation would play a critical role in helping to solve those frictions…

    “One of the things that comes out when engaging the young people is the number of cases of poor self-esteem, poor self-confidence, the conflicts and tensions which exist both within homes and within their environments within their communities and other communities,” said Howard”


  38. Walter Blackman August 14,2020 1:17 AM
    “Pensions” are indeed insurance.

    I stand corrected on both fronts.


  39. @Curley 16
    Pensions are delayed wages. They are not social security or generosity from the employer. Most pensions (defined benefits and group personal pensions) are protected through the vehicle of an annuity. Defined contribution pensions depend on the vagaries of the equity markets.
    (With a defined benefit pension the employer/scheme sponsor takes the risk; with a defined contribution pension, the member takes the risk)
    With an annuity, the annuitant usually makes a lump sum investment and the insurance company’s actuarial contract will include an age of longevity – and that is the gamble.
    If the annuitant dies the day after taking out the annuity, or at anytime before the actuarial age, then all the invested money goes to the insurance company, and not to the annuitant’s estate.
    However, if the annuitant lives beyond the expected age, then the company is still obligated to honour the contract by paying the agreed ‘pension’ (income).
    A group personal pension is just a collection of personal pensions grouped under one umbrella and which share benefits and management as if they were a single occupational scheme.
    As to a pension being a trust. Yes and no. Some pensions are written under contract law, which means if the insured dies, the pay out must go through probate; if the pension is written under trust law, then it can be paid out as soon as the trustees do the paper work.
    By the way, the beneficiary of a life insurance policy is the dead person’s estate. A dead man or woman cannot be a beneficiary. They are dead. The only exception to this is that some insurance companies pay out before death if the insured person is likely to die from a disease, which must be medically confirmed. Aids sufferers used to draw on their life policies, but with advances in medical science HIV/Aids is no longer a death sentence. The idea is that you can enjoy life before you die, rather than your heirs having all the fun.
    Finally, anyone who thinks Leroy |Harewood was a great man must have wisdom.


  40. Bajans really need to invest in basic financial literacy.


  41. @Dullard

    It should be taught in schools and should be part of our everyday news reporting.

  42. Critical Analyzer Avatar
    Critical Analyzer

    @Hal Austin
    I’m not familiar with pensions plans being written either under the contract or trust law, so I can’t comment on that but your statement “By the way, the beneficiary of a life insurance policy is the dead person’s estate.” needs correcting.

    The beneficiary of the policy can either be the dead person’s estate or be one or more named persons. If the beneficiary is the estate, the policy goes along with the probate. But if the policy has one or more named persons, the policy is not included in the probate process and the insurance company disburses the funds to the named beneficiaries.

    Few bajans realise it is best to name the beneficiaries on your insurance policies and completely avoid that lengthy probate process (blame the court system for this) and the associated lawyer fees when you choose estate.

  43. Critical Analyzer Avatar
    Critical Analyzer

    A compulsory primary and secondary school class covering the basics of budgeting, investment instruments, debt reduction strategies, financial and estate planning is sorely needed.

    We used to be able to manage to a certain extent in yesteryear but with the prevalence of mortgages and credit cards, many financial landmines have been added to our fields and hills to keep us from accumulating true wealth.


  44. You are so right. Landmines all over the place. It should be taught in secondary school. Some of it is covered in the Maths syllabus but just calculations not counselling.


  45. Can the named beneficiary be a minor child though? I don’t think so. I named my mother as beneficiary until my son turns eighteen. I can trust her to do the right thing.

    What would the process be if one hsd nobody whom one could trust?


  46. @Donna

    If a minor is named there will always be a trustee to manage the administration/disbursement.

  47. Critical Analyzer Avatar
    Critical Analyzer

    @Donna
    You can name a minor but it gets tricky because I think a special law kicks in until they are 18. You would have to discuss with someone versed in insurance that knows the limitations.

    You can change the beneficiaries whenever you want and you don’t even have to tell them anything. You can even name multiple people and state how you want the percentages split. I did that with mine.

    “What would the process be if one hsd nobody whom one could trust?”
    You could leave it at estate and let your will will and succession act do it’s thing. You still have the option to change it if you find someone later.

    What I personally did was to name the persons that will end up with the money in the end if I had put it in my will so they would get the money immediately and not have to wait on the will probate process and loose money through fees to the lawyers from the probate process.


  48. CA

    I was trying to make the money available immediately and without fees.

    The will can take care of everything else.

    David,

    Trustees sounded grander than the amount suggested, I thought at the time. It ain’t no million dollar policy.

    Thankfully my son is now seventeen and my mother is still in possesion of her financial senses. He is actually financially literate. I taught him the basics and he knows about the policy and my other assets. He is also quite frugal. Eleven more months and I can change the beneficiary.

  49. Critical Analyzer Avatar
    Critical Analyzer

    @Donna
    Good for you. Once he has the basics, he can go from there. The kids now are so fortunate to have access to so much research material via internet and Amazon Kindle books.

    I got the old bajan way of financials from my parents. Dad’s idea of financial planning was save with the credit union and borrow against that whereas mum hated paying interest so she saved and waited to buy cash or paid off early to get cash price.

    I ended up combining the two where I avoid taking on new debt as much as possible and split any excess money at the end of the month between paying down debt, saving and splurging.


  50. Donna the money is lodged with the registrar of the Supreme Court and held in trust until the age of 18.

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