Submitted by Tee White (article submitted to the Nation newspaper)

Dear Editor

I was shocked to read your article in the Nation of 18 June, which reported that Minister of Culture, John King, is opposed to ‘dumping Nelson’.

Mr King is, of course, right that everybody can form their own personal opinions about any issue, including that of racism. However, the problem is that as Minister of Culture, he represents the people of Barbados. How would it reflect on our country if in international meetings he is defending the maintenance of statues glorifying racists and mass murderers even as countries all over the world are removing these offensive objects from the public space?

Mr King says that he has been reading the cabinet papers from previous discussions of this matter but demonstrates a shocking lack of understanding of the issue. I will pass without comment his preposterous statement that removing symbols that glorify racism, such as Nelson’s statue, amounts to visiting the horrors of chattel slavery on others. He appears to think that taking a stand against racism amounts to excluding non-Africans from the history of Barbados. According to this logic, every Bajan of non-African descent supports anti-African racism and the glorification of its architects. This is a terrible insult to those Bajans of non-African descent who strongly oppose racism and also demand the removal of statues and monuments that glorify it. Is John King not aware that the earliest rebellions in Barbados saw enslaved Africans and indentured Irish people fighting together against the oppressive powers of that time? Does he not see across the whole globe that millions of people of all nationalities and colours are taking a united stand against racism, and those who seek to glorify it?

The thing is that the foundation of racism, upon which modern Barbados was established, cannot be incorporated into any new Barbados in which we simply see each other as human beings because racism is opposed exactly to this concept and insists on categorising people into superior and inferior groups. That is why today, people are demanding that racism has no place in the modern world. You cannot defend racism and its symbols and at the same time claim to be against it. Would anyone take Germany seriously if it claimed to be against Nazism while maintaining statues and other monuments glorifying Hitler and the other leaders of the Nazi regime?

I wonder if Mr King’s comments about the parliament building, the wharf and elsewhere are serious comments. If they are, he really does have no understanding of this issue. Wasn’t Barbados itself around during slavery and playing a part in it? What are we to do with it? Throw it in the sea? The demand is very clear. Statues and monuments are some of the ways in which society honours individuals from the past. Those that glorify racists and people involved in the commission of crimes against humanity should be taken down from the public space because they are a statement that the society honours racism and crimes against humanity in the here and now.

There are, of course, many other issues in Barbados that need to be addressed in order to build a new and inclusive society that works for all Barbadians. However, we will make no headway with these if we are unable to confront and overcome the monster of racism that still disfigures our island. The taking down of Nelson is a small step in this effort.

On this issue, Minister King is quite simply wrong.

Read Minister John King’s article published in the Nation newspaper 18 June 2020


 

King not on board with dumping Nelson

MINISTER OF CULTURE John King is not in support of the wholesale removal of Lord Nelson’s statue in The City.

He told the media yesterday his opinions on Nelson and race on the whole were personal and he would stick by them, even if they cost him.

“There are a number of papers I am now studying, from about 2009, on discussions various Cabinets would have had on this issue, but on a personal note – and I know what I am about to say is going to upset a lot of people – I would agree that if you’re talking about Heroes Square,there are validations to the varied opinions. But I will not – and it could cost me everything – be a part or party of trying to do to others what we say has been done to us,” he said.

Calls for the removal of the statue were made again during last Saturday’s protest march through Bridgetown in support of the Black Lives Matter movement in the United Sates and across the world.

King said he did not believe in “stripping down everything and throwing it away”, saying there was a history before slavery and it was now time for a new mindset.

“If you are saying that during enslavement and the colonisation process, that our history, culture and way of life were wiped out and we came into places like the Americas as minorities, why would you now turn around and advocate to do the same thing to somebody else? The discussion we should be having is, if we want to remove this statue, where do we put it?

“How do we recognise the collective history of Barbados is not relegated solely to Barbadians of Afro descent? How do we also incorporate the history of the indigenous people who were here [first]? How do you incorporate

all of the groups that make up Barbados? Let us look at these things for what they are and use them to inspire ourselves to change our prejudices and look at each other as human beings,” he urged.

King said the Parliament Buildings

and the Wharf were around during slavery and played a part in it, asking if those too should be thrown away. He said the Nelson statue should be utilised to the advantage of Barbados while not disadvantaging anyone.

As for the Black Lives Matter movement, King, who as a calypsonian and Pic-O-De-Crop monarch performed social commentaries such as

Fool’s Paradise, How Many More? and I Want A Plantation, said he was accustomed to speaking out against social injustice on his own and would only join any group if and when he felt it necessary.

“I’ve always been advocating against racism, as an entertainer performing overseas and from growing up in England, so I know it well. What is going on in the Unites States has been going on for eons but it is now easier to see due to social media.

“[However] there are other issues right here I don’t hear people talking about, issues some people don’t want to protest, such as classism, which is also a knee on people’s necks. We need to talk about the violence in our own communities . . . and I don’t hear anyone talking about the history of the people we call ‘red legs’ in St John. I hope our future generations find themselves in a different place,” he said.

(CA)

 

598 responses to “Minister John King is Wrong”


  1. Newsletter, June 2020
    Statues and History
    The recent pulling down of the Edward Colston statue in Bristol caused great controversy. What I think is interesting is that the Colston statue was erected in 1895. Long after slavery was abolished. Why didn’t they put up statues of one of the women in the town who campaigned against slavery? Women were far more important than men in the fight against slavery. However, William Wilberforce would not have them on the same platform as him as he was against women and the working-class being involved in politics.
    The defacing of Winston Churchill’s statue in Parliament Square during Black Lives Matter protests has started a national debate on whether he was a racist and white supremacist. Churchill referred to British imperialism as being for the good of the “primitive” and “subject races”. In 1937 he said: “I do not admit, for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to those people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, or, at any rate, a more worldly wise race, to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.” Churchill is also accused of murdering over 3 million Indians. Historians have reached a consensus that his actions significantly contributed to the Bengal famine of 1943. When concerned British officials wrote to Mr Churchill and said he was causing a needless loss of life, he responded “Why hasn’t Gandhi died yet?” and then went on to say the famine was cau
    sed by Indians for “breeding like rabbits”. It is argued that Churchill’s racism was one of the main reasons the far-right went to London to protect his statue on 13^th June. Others would suggest that during the Covid-19 outbreak it was vitally important to show solidarity with the man who led the UK to victory the last time we faced a national crisis on this scale.
    Teaching Slavery in UK Schools
    Lavinya Stennett, the founder of the Black Curriculum, has been rightly arguing for a review the national curriculum and make the teaching of black history mandatory for all pupils in schools in England. I first started teaching in 1977 and every year I spent in the classroom, I taught black history. In those days, teachers had considerable freedom over what they considered important. However, it is true that some teachers, maybe the majority, ignored the subject. Things improved with the introduction of the National Curriculum. The compulsory unit, Expansion, Trade & Industry, provided the ample time to study subjects like slavery and the British Empire. The main problem was in the way it was taught. This was the main reason why I published Slavery: An Illustrated History of Black Resistance (1988). Most textbooks placed too much emphasis on the role played by white, male politicians in bringing an end to slavery. The book is now out of print, but the material can now be accessed free from
    the Spartacus Educational website.
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    Copyright © 2020 Spartacus Educational, All rights reserved.

  2. Leslie P. Lett – Actually, to tell the truth, I am more disappointed by the predominant argument that is being made to support the maintaining of the statue of Nelson where it is presently situated. To concoct any equivalence between removing this statue from its present trespass in the space this nation has designated as its National Heroes’ Square to the wiping out of any people’s “history, culture, and way of living” is absurd.

    It also alarms me when the defence of not removing the statue of Nelson is based upon the argument that the statue is part of this nation’s history, seemingly failing to appreciate that history is not static and that people of the present must also see themselves as agents of shaping and making this nation’s history. Is removing this statue now from its present location any less valid history as the erection of the statue more than two hundred years ago?

    Surely, the profound irony and incongruence of having a statue of this British sailor in the space that this nation has designated as its National Heroes’ Square cannot be lost on anyone.

  3. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Not much left to say…is there, they already embarrassed yaselves as a whole useless parliament and everyone is laughing..

    WURA-War-on-UJune 18, 2020 4:55 PM

    Even better…Thomas Jefferson decendant want his statues taken down….but the ignornant and slaveminded want to see nelson’s useless statute in people’s face….slavemasters should not be honored as Jefferson’s Black grandson X a few times removed says…and in my opinon, racists should not be honored either….

    https://thegrio.com/2020/06/18/president-thomas-jefferson-descendant-statue/

    “A descendant of President Thomas Jefferson wants his statues taken down as monuments to problematic figures have been removed, defaced and vandalized in recent weeks.”


  4. If he and others do not understand after this article then one would have to wonder if they even want to understand. People of Barbados, my people, a beautiful new baby is trying to be born! Shall we WELCOME that baby or shove it back into the womb?

    My people, let it BE!


  5. John King is an intellectually dishonest fellow. Not that deep resources of intellect are gifted him.

    He talks conveniently about the indegenous people, supposedly meaning the arawaks, caribs and others. Has he ever wondered where those socalled indigenous people came from, who were their ancestors. That what he now sees as indigenous peoples were merely admixtures of ancient africans and the invading Asiatics, circa 14000 years ago.

    The Asiatics entered with advanced weapons displacing the africans who were here in the time before time. They say prehistory.

    More precisely this Johnny through sleight of hand, like is done everytime the issue of Nelson is raised, seeks to widen the issue to the point of absurdity as a reliably device to maintain the cultural status quo.

    John King is showing his true colours as the quintessential bajan. Under the rubric of a falsity of reverse racism he again tries to achieve the same objective of the nullification of popular demands.

    This writer never liked johnny muh boy as calypsonian because he always came over as being insincere in his renditions. Maybe this manifestation explains underlying causality.

    We call on Mugabe to fire this Johnny!

  6. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    The ignorant of parliament don’t nor do they want to know their own history, they don’t want to hear how great their Black history is, they are colonial negros created to be just the way they are, good for nothing…they are only interested in demeaning, belittling, degrading, demoralizing, criminalizing and IMPOVERISHING their own Black people…as was intended, to enrich themselves, their fellow thieves, greedy minorities and the Syrian Cartel…i dare them to say am lying.

    today is not a good day to tell me am lying when am telling the truth, so be warned.

  7. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Colonial shift shaping….Pacha..

    you find black people who have no regard for their ancestors, are self-hating and unrepentant are happy in that comfort zone..as long as they have a big monthly salarly, at their people’s expense, they are more than content to sink into that decrepit state until they are kicked out of parliament then they start singing their old tunes again,….dogs returning to their vomit.


  8. I support the Minister. What we are hearing is the same old voices repeat once again, the same old mantra “Take Nelson Down”. The silent ones are afraid to voice an opposing opinion so eventually, that small band, making the most noise will have their will imposed on the rest of us.

    Take down financial inequality.

    How many times has this call gone out with wiser heads looking at the bigger picture and saying “No”! This time around, there is the influence of global affairs.

  9. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Keep ya eyes on the repulsive, sell out colonial shape shifters in the parliament.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/325237?fbclid=IwAR0h-whhh3nRPZGUId-1RgKALfYvXTprDaFiLJHYkjF5vBJ4UAUNjGQ84cc

    Petition
    Pay Slavery Reparations to all Caribbean & African Descendants
    We are calling on the Government to compensate all African & Caribbean descendants so that we can move to a more equal society. Time is up and if Slave Owners can be compensated for losing their slaves, the Government should compensate the descendants of the injustice the British Empire caused.

  10. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    In 2015, Britain’s tax payers finally paid off what is equivalent of billions of pounds to former slave owners to compensate them for losing their slaves in 1833; ignoring the impact on the African and Caribbean descendants, throwing them into a systematically racist society and expecting them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps as they were and still can be today discriminated in areas of housing, access to capital, job opportunities, police interactions & sentencing.

  11. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    I suggest Caribbean people create their own petition.


  12. @ Donna
    People of Barbados, my people, a beautiful new baby is trying to be born! Shall we WELCOME that baby or shove it back into the womb?
    ########
    Come on Barbados, let’s push


  13. Mr King said he was voicing his opinion. He is entitled to that as all are entitled to oppose him. Opposing him does not make you right or him wrong, it just shows that all are entitled to an opinion.

    My question to you is this. Take down Nelson and then what? Do we auction off government house in the Pine? Should we remove the governor general from office? What about the crown on the front of the GGs car, should we take that off and replace it with the Trident? Should we just sell the car?

    My point is removing Nelson will no more change our history than removing Bussa. When I drive by both of them I see them equally as evidence of our past. I for one am more concerned about out future and it is that which we should focus on for the betterment of ALL Barbadians regardless of colour, class or gender.

  14. Ordinary Black Man Avatar
    Ordinary Black Man

    It is very dangerous to judge history through the prism of the present. Enuff said on dat!


  15. If a Johnny has enough brain cells to hold personal opinions then they should remain personal or he should do that which is traditional when there is a conflict between the intentions of a government and his strongly held views – resign!

    Certainly, his Westminster model does not permit a member of cabinet to openly declare a war of words against the perceived intentions of a government.

    Mugabe must change this Johnny.


  16. @ WURA-War-on-U June 19, 2020 7:54 AM
    “In 2015, Britain’s tax payers finally paid off what is equivalent of billions of pounds to former slave owners to compensate them for losing their slaves in 1833…”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And this is the big elephant in the British room of skeletons which will not go away until the scales of justice are balanced.

    If the slave owners (and their supporters like Nelson) had just cut their losses and walk away like true ‘capitalists’ (or invaders like the Romans) this lingering black bugbear would not be now dangling over their heads of their descendants like the anecdotal sword of Damocles seeking social justice and economic restitution.

    Maybe the Jewish book on morality has some relevance still today when its says:

    “The LORD is long-suffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation. You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them.”


  17. @John A

    You are applying a transactional mindset to a very complex issue for a people struggling to find an identity. History is created in the present. If a decision is made today to remove Nelson from HEROES SQUARE because there is an awaking of Black consciousness in Barbadians to what a man who supported slavery represented, so be it. Your assumption that the decision should be tied to an economic result is flawed. If the decision simply assuages our psyche and helps to fused concerns to propel greater determination to succeed this would be a good place to be/result.


  18. @ John A June 19, 2020 8:47 AM

    ” Mr King said he was voicing his opinion. He is entitled to that as all are entitled to oppose him. Opposing him does not make you right or him wrong, it just shows that all are entitled to an opinion.

    My question to you is this. Take down Nelson and then what? Do we auction off government house in the Pine? Should we remove the governor general from office? What about the crown on the front of the GGs car, should we take that off and replace it with the Trident? Should we just sell the car?

    My point is removing Nelson will no more change our history than removing Bussa. When I drive by both of them I see them equally as evidence of our past. I for one am more concerned about out future and it is that which we should focus on for the betterment of ALL Barbadians regardless of colour, class or gender.”

    has anyone in Bim ever agitated for this, ever- “Do we auction off government house in the Pine? Should we remove the governor general from office? What about the crown on the front of the GGs car, should we take that off and replace it with the Trident? Should we just sell the car?”


  19. As a neutral observer I plead to replace Lord Nelson with our dearest Goddess Bim. To her right, let our national heroine Mia Mottley sit, with a statute book in one hand and a stick in the other.


  20. @John A

    You are of course right. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But not all opinions are equally valid. If my opinion is that Barbados is larger than Jamaica and your opinion is that Jamaica is larger than Barbados, your opinion is right and mine is wrong because the facts support your opinion and not mine. The reason that John King’s position on Nelson is wrong is because the assumptions that underpin his argument are incorrect and the conclusions he reaches are illogical.

    Like many others, you seem to think that the issue about the statues around the world is about the past, but it most certainly is not. It is about the present and the future. Achieving the betterment of all Barbadians regardless of colour, class or gender is something that I think most Bajans would want and I certainly do. But we will never achieve this if we don’t analyse and understand why it’s not like that now. The social and economic injustices which are part of the fabric of Barbados are the product of how racism operates in our country today. I won’t go into all the evidence for this because I think it’s overwhelming and everyone in Barbados knows it. So, it will be impossible to achieve a better Barbados for all without tackling this systemic and structural racism. If we can’t even take down a statue glorifying a racist, we have no possibility of tackling the underpinning racism of which it is only a symbol, because the kick back from those who benefit from the status quo will be harsh.

    So in response to your question, “Take down Nelson and then what?”. I think Donna has already answered that question. All of us who have a vision of a new Barbados which operates for the betterment of all, regardless of colour, class or gender should unite to help this new baby come into the world.


  21. Life is a journey.

    We work to build a just society brick by brick.


  22. My limited knowledge of slavery comes from reading.

    “The whip was a cruel and effective instrument of torture – part of the brutal technology that kept the productive machine of plantation America at work. Nowhere was this more obvious than on the islands of the Caribbean.”

    https://aeon.co/ideas/how-did-slaveholders-in-the-caribbean-maintain-control

    Think about this. I worked on a day boat catching flying fish for about 6months in 1980.
    First day sick as a dog and puking. Second day same thing. From the third day I took Gravol.

    Imagine the stench and the puking in the hold of a slave ship. Then if you survived the trip the rest of your
    life would include regular beatings and living in constant fear.

    Imagine if this happened to your mother,father friends and family.

  23. WURA-WAR-on-U Avatar

    “What about the crown on the front of the GGs car.”

    Wuh if the cousins in the palace took off that big old centuries old royal crest off the palace gates, who are yall dumbass wannabe forever mentally enslaved jokers…

  24. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    “If the slave owners (and their supporters like Nelson) had just cut their losses and walk away like true ‘capitalists’ (or invaders like the Romans) this lingering black bugbear would not be now dangling over their heads of their descendants like the anecdotal sword of Damocles seeking social justice and economic restitution.”

    Even worse Miller…the UK had NO RIGHT using Caribbean descendants of the slaves they brutalized to pay off slavemasters debt for enslaving their ancestors…knowing that those descendants had no clue of what the hell was going on, most still don’t and even nastier still, those of us who remained in the Caribbean CLUELESS AS EVER they STOLE OUR UK CITIZENSHIP…brutally, those of us who were born in the Caribbean before their fake independence and as if that was not enuff…they had the goddamn brass balls on them to brutalize, terrorize, imprison and deport the Windrush children who went there to help UK rebuild from 1948, now they are the elderly, some are still sleeping at the airports, homeless, poor and destitute…many are just dying from the stress of brutality and racism…

    they can’t even find a good lie to make an excuse for any of that..


  25. @ David June 19, 2020 9:11 AM

    Keeping the statue of a known racist and a supporter of black chattel slavery ‘erected’ in the heart of the Capital of a modern predominantly black independent nation state is tantamount to Barbados becoming a republic in 2021 but still demanding to retain the trappings of the monarchical honours system like the knight of St. Andrew and St. George while calling the Bajan main law enforcement agency the “Royal” Barbados Police Force”.

    Render to the statue of the racist Lord Nelson what was rendered to the Union Jack.

    Put it in the museum of the past where it clearly belongs as the current and future generations become the ‘firm craftsmen of their (own) fate’!

  26. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    This again?
    Lord have mercy. I wonder what conjuring tricks are being conceived behind this smoke screen. Wnat a tangled web we do weave when others we try to deceive.

    John A
    We are like a voice crying in the wilderness. Do not fear, Truth will prevail.


  27. John A…i would sell all of that useless shite, sell the GG too if she don’t want to get her ass out of that blighted building….sell the building or turn it into a museum too…

  28. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    David BU
    You cannot be serious. Do you honestly believe that Barbadians have no identity and are struggling for one. Thanks for letting us in to this warped thinking. I hope this is based on ignorance rather than arrogance.


  29. That government house building would make a good museum, it’s huge and they can park nelson out there, the statue is already used to be shitstained so no need to put it inside and let people pay to see him, tourists would love that, but you will also need some symbols of the oppression of the African descended to really tell the story…for future generations…

  30. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    These submissions would make good assignment materials for a course in Straight and Crooked thinking at”A”level Examinations.


  31. Bajans need to stop voting for colonial brainwashed clowns like the Johnnie, they do nothing to improve the lives of their own people and only continue to force more of the same old colonial shite on every generation…they are drfting aimlessly through life just waiting to enter the parliament to spout utter garbage and keep the destructive status quo in place….

    over 2 years and the same Johnnie who has ALWAYS KNOWN about the racism, colorism, apartheid, thefts from the elderly and others, he knows about all the thefts by the minorities against his people and by those sitting right next to him in parliament…but has he ever lifted one finger to do anything about any of it outside of collecting a monthly salary off the backs of his people, of course not, that would be too much work for his big salary, but he can open his big mouth to enable a dead racist to rule roost over the city with a cursed statue and he thinks he is actually doing or saying something that sounds intelligent….look move do…


  32. “:It now requires a seismic shift in historical imagination to recall that Barbados, the beautiful Caribbean island known today for its social amiability and political civility, was Britain’s colonial site of the first “black slave society”

    – the most systemically violent, brutal and racially inhumane society of modernity.”

    https://www.aaihs.org/on-barbados-the-first-black-slave-society/


  33. For those who are not just plain stupid…do you see how it looks now…the Johnnie could not open his wide mouth to fix or mention or say or do anything about any of the above i mentioned, for his people, but look what he is opening his mouth for……a statue of a dead racist and slavery sympathizer…and when we call some of these damn idiots, stupid black people, others want to take offense….but take a good look at this clear stupidity. and even worse, he collects a salary at taxpayers expense every month and they can see NOTHING IN RETURN…


  34. @ John King

    Nelson’s dark side/savior.

    He was hailed as Britain’s greatest seafaring hero – a reputation that survives to this day. However, a letter he wrote onboard HMS Victory reveals a different face, showing his vehement opposition to William Wilberforce’s campaign for the abolition of the slave trade. Christer Petley uncovers Nelson’s sympathy with a brutal Jamaican slave-owning elite.

    His popularity came because Bajans were very grateful and relieved not to become a French West Indian colony, which would have been the alternative if Admiral Horatio Nelson had not gained victory for the British off Cape Trafalgar on the southern coast of Spain. This battle was the most decisive naval victory of the wars, ensuring British naval supremacy during the rest of the Napoleon Wars. It was also important for trade routes from Britain to Barbados.
    To show appreciation, a memorial service was held on 5th January 1806 at the St Michael’s Parish Church (now St Michael’s Cathedral), and within days Bajans were raising funds for a memorial statue. They then purchased the statue and land, naming it Trafalgar Square, paying tribute to the Admiral by erecting the statue.

  35. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    Hants at 10 :35 AM

    You have uploaded a quotation out of its context. What is your intention? What is it you want to convey to me the reader?


  36. You could have opened the link I provided. Hope this helps. I hope ” history ” written by Sir Hilary Beckles is good for my education. Did not learn much at H C but that was down to me not paying attention.

    Barbados was the birthplace of British slave society and the most ruthlessly colonized by Britain’s ruling elites. They made their fortunes from sugar produced by an enslaved, “disposable” workforce, and this great wealth secured Britain’s place as an imperial superpower and cause untold suffering. In The First Black Slave Society: Britain’s “Barbarity Time” in Barbados, 1636-1876, Hilary McD. Beckles explores the inhumane legacy of plantation society that has shaped modern Barbados and charges the inheritors on both sides of the power dynamic to face that truth in order to effect real change and reparatory justice. *This excerpt from the preface was reprinted with permission from The University of West Indies Press.

    It now requires a seismic shift in historical imagination to recall that Barbados, the beautiful Caribbean island known today for its social amiability and political civility, was Britain’s colonial site of the first “black slave society” – the most systemically violent, brutal and racially inhumane society of modernity. The abundant empirical evidence that illustrates this status and reputation echoes through the archives of the island and resonates through those in Britain, the United States and the wider Atlantic world.

    Images of this past are found in mounds of manuscripts, but the living memory is seen most clearly in the faces and facades that populate and punctuate the island’s landscape. Discerning researchers need not end there. There is living testimony, equally riveting and revealing, to be mined by delving into the mindscape of descendants.”


  37. @ Vincent Codrington June 19, 2020 10:11 AM

    How do you reconcile your assertion with the recent honest outpourings of Annalle Davis of long-established Bajan white ancestral lines although slightly daubed with the tar brush of plantation liaisons and her contrite request for the racial healing needed for a more enlightened and socially progressive ‘modern’ Bajan society reflecting the hue of the Racial Rainbow?

    Isn’t she effectively calling for the construction of a bridge for the crossing of Truth & Reconciliation?

  38. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Hants at 10 :56 AM

    I did open it. I did read it. It is only another opinion.. I therefore was trying to elicit your opinion on the conclusions/ assertions Prof Beckles made; and whether from your experience in post slavery Barbados you agree with him.


  39. Could somebody please tell me why it is so important that Nelson stay in place? You may not bothered by it but are you uplifted by it?

    If not then why do you oppose so vehemently the removal of it by those whom it bothers?

    And what “truth” is this that you think you alone are in possession of?

    The truth is that taking Nelson down may indeed not result in moving us forward. We do not know for sure if the symbolism will capture our imagination. And certainly more work would have to follow after its removal. The removal of Nelson must only be the begining. The baby would have to be nutured.

    But I wonder what harm the removal of Nelson could do.

    Why would the usual suspects jump out like watchdogs and bark at us whenever we express our opinion that the statue should be removed?

    It boggles the mind! Seriously!

  40. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Miller at 10 :56 AM
    I understand quite well what Annalee Davis has written. I am acquainted with the family. I am from St. John. I lived in very close proximity to the Plantocracy and the working class white. I went to school at primary level with the working class whites. At secondary school I studied with all classes of whites and blacks. What would be a revelation to you are real life experiences for me. I am quite aware of the contradictions /conflicts etc that she described. I had to deal with them at school , both as a pupil and as a prefect. I quite understand how she tried to cope .
    Of course we people of colour had similar conflicts and contradictions and we coped with them in various ways. So if I appear unperturbed by these storms in a tea cup it is because I have navigated successfully through them. I am at peace with myself. Humans are humans regardless of the colour of their skins and texture of their hair. I look beyond their colour to the colour of their minds and their hearts.


  41. Miller
    We well recall the days when annelle davis was somewhat of a white supremacist. Some one whose lionized her ancestry in Barbados.
    It may indeed be your judgement that an apparent personal transformation has taken place. However, should we be really so dependent on white sentimentality as a cornerstone. And if this is significant to you how could the future be any different than the past.

  42. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Pacha, re: “Certainly, his Westminster model does not permit a member of cabinet to openly declare a war of words against the perceived intentions of a government.”…. And that is the big question…. what exactly are the perceived intentions of gov’t? Whenever, a cabinet member appears to get too far ahead of the cabinet he/she is pulled back in-line promptly or allowed to roam free with a termination…what has happened here!

    @Vincent, there will obviously be no upside for you on this debate that the statue has NO CURRENT place in Heroes Square.. but your post is still very amusing re: “These submissions would make good assignment materials for a course in Straight and Crooked thinking at”A”level Examinations.”…The ‘remain’ side of the reasoning is the only A’level ‘Crooked’ thinking as far as I can see… 🙂 !

    It is illogical and beyond crooked to suggest that anyone intends “stripping down everything and throwing it away”… or saying there was a ‘history before slavery and it was now time for a new mindset’ to intimate that we Black folks should continue to so glibly ‘live and let live’!

    It’s absolutely crooked to offer that ““If you are saying that during enslavement and the colonisation process, that our history, culture and way of life were wiped out and we came into places like the Americas as minorities, why would you now turn around and advocate to do the same thing to somebody else? The discussion we should be having is, if we want to remove this statue, where do we put it?”NO-ONE is taking away the culture or history of the English by removing a monument to Lord Nelson!

    It’s absurd as @Greene noted to COMPARE an “auction off government house in the Pine’ or changing to Republican status and remove the governor general from office. A complete crooked and fallacious line of argument.!

    You and similarly minded folks are entrenched where you are and so be it…but alas, the reasoning of your side is the one that’s NOT straight!

    As was said previously and perfectly re-stated by the author “… the problem is that as Minister of Culture, he represents the people of [a predominately BLACK] Barbados. How would it reflect on our country if in international meetings he is defending the maintenance of statues glorifying racists…”

    To the Museum with the abomination… or sell it to Antigua for their deep seated love affair with their dockyard Lord!


  43. @ Professor Vincent Codrington, Sir. Do you have Racing Horses Housed at the Garrison on Weekends???

    I do hope I’m not out of context.


  44. The prime minister has shown repeatedly being in afraid to offer an opinion on most issues. Of late she has shown a reluctance to offer clear support for #blm and #lordnelsonstatue.

    Why?


  45. Donna it’s ugly that people are watching all of this playing out and the dumbest among us still don’t understand that …we cannot leave this same system of racism, colorism, apartheid, wholesale thefts from the black majority and racist symbols of slavery in place FOR THE NEXT GENERATION to have to fight and battle… they will judge us harshly…

    our parents and grandparents did not know and even if they did they did not have the intelligence nor tools to handle it…but WE DO..

    …some feel that because they ACCEPTED being treated like coloreds, because they would die first before htey consider themselves black let alone African….. or black second class citizens in a black majority country…and they survived with their damaged mentalitites and lack of critical thinking reasoning skills intact , that the same evil should be passed on to another generation…NO IT CANT…NO IT WON’T….now live with that..

    those are the ones who experiencde the CRIMINALIZATION of African spirituality and it damaged their minds beyond repair and now in their old age they are just empty shells….our generation did not even know African Spirituality was criminalized until this year…and by the wicked black leaders too…all to please and appease the colonial construct…just like these wicked black leaders in the parliament are doing today, with no care about what the people who fund everything think and they are telling themselves they will get away with it in the 21st century….

  46. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Tony at 11: 45 AM

    Thanks for the accolade. I wish you were on the selection committee in one of my many manifestations.
    No ! I do not own any race horses. Do I need to? I love horses but i never thought of owning one.
    Why do you ask?


  47. The prime minister has shown repeatedly being in afraid to offer an opinion on most issues. Of late she has shown a reluctance to offer clear support for #blm and #lordnelsonstatue.
    Why?
    (Quote)

    Because she has always be duplicitous. It is not world class enough. Bet if Amanpour comes for an interview on Black Lives Matter she would jump at the opportunity. She plays Barbadians like a violin.


  48. @ Vincent

    I worked for a while in Antigua a few years back and remember the first time I visited Nelsons Dock Yard. I went to see it in February of that year and the place was awash with tourist. In talking to the people who took me there, who were all black Antiguans by the way, the pride they held about that attraction was obvious. One of the guys said to me and I will never forget it, ” what better way to get back at slavery than take a few USD and sterling from Nelson’ s offspring.” To be honest I never thought about it that way but I had to smile.

    My point is we can look back or we can look forward choice is ours.

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