Attorney General Dale Marshall Delivers Police (Amendment) Bill, 2020

 

We take note that the Police Act only speaks to a single Deputy Commissioner of Police, and it is, therefore, to be regretted that the required amendment did not take place in advance of this confirmation.

Dale Marshall, Attorney General

To the credit of Senator Caswell Franklyn of the People’s Party for Democracy and Development  an amendment to the Police Act, Cap.167 to provide for two Deputy Commissioners has been circulated to stakeholders. The public is reminded that it was the indefatigable Senator Caswell Franklyn who flagged the issue of the appointment of a second Deputy Commissioner not supported in law.

Will the public ever be told the real story behind this 7-day imbroglio?

Police Act (Amendment) Cap. 167

142 comments

  • “only speaks to a single Deputy Commissioner”

    This statement is possible, but not imperative. The act states “a deputy ” and not “one deputy”. “A deputy” can also be a functional placeholder for any number of deputies. “One deputy” not.

    I therefore continue to support the position of our leader, Mia Mottley, that the appointment was totally legitimate und legal. The outspoken senator must therefore apologise to our Prime Minister immediately.

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  • We have to colour everything with politics. The PM should have kept her mouth closed after the AG issued the statement.

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  • @Tron June 6, 2020 2:05 AM

    How about a ‘deputies’ to make the intention(s) of the “Act” abundantly clear?

    Clearly, the intention is to be extremely proactive and prepare for the social and economic challenges ahead, not so?

    After all, it would soon require 2 CoPs to serve and protect the additional 50,000 new ‘Bajans’ earmarked for the Shangri La in the Caribbean oasis of peace and economic bliss.

    Tron, when are you going to stop taking the piss out of your ‘favourite’ whipping boy administration?

    Only few here with a subliminal sense of humour can read between the lines of your ‘fake’ adoration to see through the cloud of risqué satire.

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  • @David

    i see you have come around to my view on the matter. Better late than never. lol

    BTW if, as she says, there is implied repeal and or the order was laid / passed in parliament, why amend the primary act?

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  • @ Greene

    I admire your stamina. How you tolerate this incompetence day after day is amazing. I thought the attorney general was going to be sacked/reshuffled out?

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  • @Greene

    It is too early to follow you down a DLP made rabbit hole. There is a bigger story to the matter to be told.

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  • I await Mia’s apology for misleading the nation.

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  • @David,

    that is all i had to say about the matter, mate. this topic has been exhausted. more like a shallow pond than a rabbit hole. it is all there to be seen.

    @Hal,

    it is highly improbable that MAM would fire anyone from this cabinet.

    Marshall is the last person she can get rid of, otherwise she loses the backing of our boys. in addition she was dead wrong on the issue and in fact owes Marshall an apology by seemingly countermanding his position by her silly intervention that only served to exacerbate the issue

    in St Philip South certain allegations have been made against the sitting MP by a former BLP MP from the same riding and who campaigned for the sitting MP. MAM, who has a propensity for talking nuff nuff about everything under the sun, hasnt unpicked her teeth in that regard yet, at least publicly.

    one would think that having to cut the Govt wage bill which also includes the salary and benefits enjoyed by the numerous, ministers, gurus, czars, advisers and consultants, MAM would trim the fat but she has been warned seemingly in veiled public comments by Jerome Walcott and Straughn.

    there are a lot of long knives waiting and if MAM knows anything she knows she exists at the pleasure of her MPs. an early attempt to fire the singing MP was rebuffed quickly

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  • The only person who has come out of this entire politically-stink fouled-up debacle (a perfect fit for a full run of a “Laff It Off”) and smelling like roses is the real lawyer Caswell who is much deserving of the title the ‘People’s Advocate’ in the fight for democracy where the Law is ‘King’.

    Now where is that political cry baby, the little Koochie Koo?

    Still in his red diapers and wetting his cradle of shame?

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  • @Greene

    The topic maybe exhausted if you view it through a narrow lense. A bit of advice, try to connect dots.

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  • @David,

    the dots have already been connected. we all know that this is symptomatic of this regime.

    with all these lawyer ministers and hangers-on silly mistakes are made at the outset only to be corrected later following some silly intervention by the loquacious MAM and then we move on to the next blunder seemingly oblivious.

    and that those who point them out are called MAM haters, anti BLP, anti Bim, DLP yard fowls or a combination thereof.

    Caswell has to be commended.

    half a dozen of one, 6 of the other.

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  • @Greene

    Not of the BLP regime, symptomatic of the political class.

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  • no, these present blunders are the BLP’s to own as the ones made by the DLP are theirs to own

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  • @Greene

    It is not about owning blunders by the BLP, it is about a culture of corruption, incompetence and disregard for good governance no matter if DLP or BLP is in office. Have a look at the last 15 Auditor General reports for the avoidance of doubt.

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  • This is truly risible. Here we have a thoroughly decomposed corpse of a non-issue which government has addressed (one should note that at every step of the way government’s response has been singular, in sync and has not changed as some would wish to assert) but there is still a continuation of the naked attempts to score political points on a matter where there is absolutely no political embarrassment to mine. The position has always remained the same. And the law is being modified more than rectified. Anyhow I await the usual circus show of comments from the DtM brigade.

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  • The Disease called the Barbados Labour Party

    What are the symptoms of that awful virus called the BLP:

    Rescuing Barbados from crisis and putting it on a trajectory of growth and development.

    Where do we see the symptoms of this illness:

    1951-61 (dismantling the plantocracy, founding true democracy in Barbados and commencing many projects for the social and economic aggrandizement of Barbados which curiously the Dems get credit for)

    76-86 (taking the reins of power from a government which had become woefully inept and markedly corrupt, establishing the IB sector, developing infrastructure [opposed by the Dems] and the list goes on)

    94-08 (bringing Barbados back from political and economic collapse and guiding the country through 14 years of economic prosperity)

    2018-present (bringing Barbados back from the dangerous precipice of economic collapse on which we were perched, commencing a visionary programme from the transformation of Barbados, and thus far successfully weathering COVID 19 which nations much larger and better endowed have failed to do).

    Those are the “symptoms” of the debilitating illness called the Barbados Labour Party.

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  • Disgusting Lies and Propaganda TV

    @Khaleel certain people looking for Ms Mottley to do a “Trump”….To kneel down in front of the image of Christ to say “im sorry”. They want a video of Ms Mottley in a confessional saying “forgive me father, i’ve sinned”. I hope for the sake of those people, that such an apology can blind 280,000 Bajans to the 2019 Auditor General Report. Reading the report would make a weak man faint. I suspect those SAME persons looking for an apology would do like Stray Cur’s Tenantry and say “i don’t have an appetite for reading the report”. Well i hope that IF Ms Mottley apologizes that those responsible for the clear malfeasance and those that BENEFITED from such malfeasance confesses. PLEASE for the love of GOD confess….make the Auditor General and Attorney General’s work easier (when it comes to pressing charges). As Jesus said “those who have sinned cast the first stone”. Not a fella that supported that administration can even DARE look at a pebble.

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  • @DLP-TV

    They can’t be on the same continent as a pebble, such is their sorry state.

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  • @ Khaleel Kothdiwala June 6, 2020 10:10 AM

    Shouldn’t you be calling- with all your little red-faced baby crying might- for the prosecution of those responsible for the blatant raping of the taxpayers as clearly outlined in the most recent Auditor General’s report?

    Or are you going to call it just another storm in a political teacup to attract the eyes and ears of your “DtM” brigade as you doing with the overstepping of the law where the MAM blunder of baseless intervention is concerned?

    There is absolutely no need now to rely on the evidence hiding in the red valise.

    It’s all out there in black and write and written under the authority of a Constitutionally-established office with similar political independence as that of the DPP.

    Now here is your chance to shine by pupating from a red larva into a golden butterfly in the air of high morals and good governance.

    Why not be the complainant armed with the AG’s reports to initiate the process which should see your dreams of those from the last administration wearing some yellow and blue overalls at the Hyatt-type hotel in St. Philip?

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  • Millsy

    Don’t you ever tire of seeking to mask your naked attempts at discussing irrelevant matters not germane to the blogpost (usually also packaged in your daily aneurysm)? You’ll have to find someone else to go down your rabbit hole.

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  • @Miller
    Now where is that political cry baby, the little Koochie Koo?
    +++++++++++
    You sure know how to bait ‘em, soon to rival Cudear Bajan for the most consecutive posts on any subject.

    After the “clear de air” and definitive pronouncement by the PM one would have thought this matter was wrapped up in a nice little bow and put to rest, it just goes to show the naive that one can never trust the word of a politician.

    I will wait for the PM’s apology

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  • @ Khaleel Kothdiwala June 6, 2020 11:02 AM

    Are you going to apologize to Caswell, little boy?

    Now here is what is “germane” to the topic and for that matter the very essence of the current administration:

    “ACTIONS FOR NATIONAL TRANSFORMATION
    STAMPING OUT CORRUPTION
    Lawmakers cannot and must not be lawbreakers. Discipline and accountability must start at the top if Barbados is to reclaim its world-class reputation. The BLP WILL PROMOTE GOOD GOVERNANCE BY –
     At the First Sitting of Parliament, laying the Integrity Commission Bill to fight corruption, protect whistleblowers and usher in a new period of transparency in the governance of our national affairs.
     Immediately after the Election, require Ministers to declare their assets.
     Implementing a policy of zero tolerance for corruption.
     Introducing election campaign finance reform.
     Establishing an Anti-Corruption Unit to investigate incidents of corruption and make recommendations for prosecution or other appropriate action. “

    Do you understand why Donville was able to say that ministers taking bribes is par for the course in the system of governance in Bim and why the EU have the country by its self-confessing balls?

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  • @Sargeant

    The president was born in to politics; her education was meant only to further her political career. She has been told from the cradle that she is clever and knows a lot. She has achieved her lifetime ambition, being PM of Barbados, now she wants the world. Imagine what she will be like in Cabinet. She cannot help herself.

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  • @Sargeant

    Have you read the auditor general reports going back a few years? What is a common observation?

    Hope you are not one to get irrational when you see red.

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  • @ de echo

    Only those who are faultless have the right to pass judgment upon others (implying that no one is faultless and that, therefore, no one has such a right to pass judgment).

    No apologies Please. Let’s go forward and resolve Immediate pressing matters.

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  • @Miller

    Germane – “relevant to a subject under discussion”

    The relationship between this non-issue and that extract from the manifesto is……….?

    You all do make me laugh. Your Senator Franklyn always blasts government for moving expeditiously and then some of you blast government when they move with deliberation. As always you confound me. At any rate Millsy festina lente. Ministers have declared their assets (the first order pf business for them) which the Cabinet Secretary holds. Integrity legislation is being thoughtfully and deliberately moved through the legislative process to ensure it is air-tight. Make up your mind when it comes to what you want to criticise government about – are they too fast or too slow?

    You all do make me laugh particularly with your curious masochistic defense of the indefensible actions of the EU. I ask again what manner of clowns lolol?
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    Hal Austin is another hilarious character. “She cannot help herself”. Indeed. Government is obsessed with rescuing the economy and society and simply cannot help but do that! And God forbid we have a Prime Minister who is actually “clever”. I wonder if he levelled the same criticism at the late Thompson who mastered the art of “all foam and no beer” as Klobuchar would say, and who has few rivals in that endeavour? Or is a “clever” leader anathema if it is a she or a BLPite?

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  • @ Khaleel Kothdiwala June 6, 2020 12:23 PM
    “The relationship between this non-issue and that extract from the manifesto is……….?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because:
    “Lawmakers cannot and must not be lawbreakers. Discipline and accountability must start at the top if Barbados is to reclaim its world-class reputation.”

    Why (a)mend a law if it is not ‘broken’ and still fit for purpose?

    We would suggest you stop abusing that motto of the morally high nobility: “Festina Lente”.

    Like the classical injunction Noblesse Oblige it has no application to your class of liars and political bullshiters.

    The guiding light of Festina Lente (or the lesson taught in Aesop’s tale of the hare and tortoise) should have been applied when compiling the list of invitees to the opening of Parliament.

    Here is a more relevant piece of ‘classic’ advice:

    “A man is known by the company he keeps.” Say the little KK.

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  • On the isssue of accountability, will the local police bring a case in the Donville Inniss matter?

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  • Miller

    This kooochie koo boy is not worthy of your attentions.

    Seems like the Great Miller, the heavyweight, against a mere political gadfly.

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  • @David
    Have you read the auditor general reports going back a few years?
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    Those are for the committed who are looking for partisan talking points, A few years ago when the Auditor General wrote that debits were recorded as credits and vice versa I knew it wasn’t the place for a novice like me.

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  • @ Pachamama June 6, 2020 1:00 PM

    The miller is trying to ‘teach’; not harm him!

    But the kid needs to be stripped of his political innocence.

    That can only be done via the hot rod of experience inserted into his exposed politically ‘red’ orifice.

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  • Stupse!!

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  • @ Miller June 6, 2020 6:55 AM

    We should only follow the rules of logic here. Every administration is a hierarchy, which can be described as a pyramid. Therefore, only one person (CoP) stands at the top. Below, however, there is room for two deputies.

    It is evident that the years of expensive studies of our Most Honourable Prime Minister (M2PM) at the LSE have paid off here. She alone understands the legality of administrative action. As do I, of course.

    I strongly advise to introduce a course on legal logic and methodology at UWI. Or the students possibly stay away from that course. That must change!

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  • After our government has gloriously fended off the Wuhan virus and convinced the IMF, the opposition is now trying to exploit an old issue with totally wrong arguments.

    Yet it is the opposition that is sabotaging the consolidation of public finances. Let me just remind you of the outspoken Senator’s fanatical opposition to justified, moderate salary cuts for civil servants.

    Any neutral person like me, who is concerned about Barbados, is immediately struck by the hypocrisy of the opposition.

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  • @ Enuff June 6, 2020 2:14 PM

    Aren’t you supposed to be in the chair at a number of high-powered meetings discussing the ‘erection’ of multi-storey buildings to make Hyatt look like a sandcastle?

    Is that your understanding of multi-tasking? Gossiping while lying, rude boi?

    “Stupse”!!!

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  • Disgusting Lies and Propaganda TV

    Why (a)mend a law if it is not ‘broken’ and still fit for purpose?

    @ Millsy There is something called secondary legislation that is allowed for the purpose of “better working” or “better interpretation” of primary legislation. The Primary legislation is the Police Act & Public Service Act…secondary legislation is allow to modify any Act to make it work “effectively”. If the Commissioner asked for another deputy, secondary legislation can allow for it to happen.

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  • Miller
    And right on cue.🤣🤣🤣

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  • this is the second time i have seen you weigh in on a legal matter where you dont know what you are talking about. the first was trying to tell me that the eggshell skull rule is a defence mechanism, it is not, and now this. i didnt reply to the first as silly as it was but i will reply to this.

    secondary legislation often referred as regulations depends on its parent act (primary legislation) for its powers. it often comes in the form of statutory instrument drafted by a ministry to fill in the details to its enabling act. parliament cannot amend it, it only approve or reject it -hence the phrase laid in parliament.

    so if the enabling Act, primary legislation, says a deputy commissioner, the secondary legislation cant change that.

    the act that was referred as the public service act gives the ministry which is headed by the PM power to increase the civil service which includes the police. the SI to pass that regulation (increase the DCOPs) didnt appear to be drafted far less laid in parliament as we have been informed.

    hence the reason for the amendment to the primary act

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  • @ Disgusting Lies and Propaganda TV June 6, 2020 2:58 PM

    DLPTV- the other side of the Duopoly BLP Nation-newspaper Lies & Propaganda machine- who is arguing to the contrary?

    It wasn’t Caswell or the miller who insisted there was no need for any secondary legislation. It was patently obvious such was the case as was initially admitted by the ‘wise’ AG.

    The dismissal of the need for such secondary ‘affirmative’ legislation came from the representatives of the existing administration until the poor beleaguered lawyer Alleyne spotted the error of his political partisan ways and succumbed to his oversight involving the great British train robber

    You are entitled appoint as many Sam Couchies with their deputy duppies as you want but it must be done within the 4 square walls of the law(s).

    That is all the guy Franklyn was arguing from day one.

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  • The AG and PM said the Police Act will be amended. The amendment has been prepared and posted on the parliament website. The Bill is on the Order paper for the next sitting on 9 June. What is the issue? Do we want someone fired? The government to call the election? The government to be voted out?

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  • the PM said that when she embarrassed herself by countermanding the AG’s position and asserting the doctrine of implied repeal?

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  • Disgusting Lies and Propaganda TV

    Sigh…..for clarity

    “Why (a)mend a law if it is not ‘broken’ and still fit for purpose?”

    The COMMISSIONER asked for a second deputy…….There are mechanisms to allow via “AFFIRMATIVE RESOLUTION” in PARLIAMENT for the second deputy to be created. That is specific to THIS MATTER.

    How a man FACING MURDER by MECHANICAL ASPHYXIA going use as a viable defense…that because the victim had prior heart conditions or prior use of fentanyl he didn’t know the victim would die quicker because he put a knee to his neck. (i.e. the supposed eggshell rule)

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  • Greene
    Ask Verla where the amendment to appoint Arni Walters as Executive Chairman at BWA. Stuuuuuupse. The government has so far made all the necessary changes to acts for senior posts at CBC, Town Planning, QEH etc, but they somehow wanted to slip through DCOP according to some. The man was lawfully acting for over a year. The amendment will be made, then what?

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  • @enuff

    A good place to have started if we could rewind- was for the PM to let the AG deal with the matter, this would have improved the optics and disentangled the police force from being politicized. Sensitivity should be exercised by politicians when dealing with some matters.

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  • Critical Analyzer

    The problem is these political yard fowls suffering from starvation, withdrawal and chomping at the bit for anything remotely political to peck at. Look for them to be in-front the court just now for having a political talk shop lime to eat souse and drink some rum/beer/whiskey/vodka. Their excuse when caught red-handed will be we to went to collect souse and we was having a conversation while waiting in line for the souse to finish.

    We all know this is a non-issue. The government has the seats to do anything they want including amending the constitution. I feel Mia just throw some scratch grain out there to give wunna yard fowls something to peck at. With all the problems that going on with the COVID they hardly had anything juicy to peck at and the fowls starving bad.

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  • @CA

    as David said this is symptomatic of larger issues. we can argue what they are but it is indeed symptomatic. but you are correct. MAM has the legal authority to be a despot

    @DLPTV

    you dont know about what you are talking

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  • My response can only be the wise words of Enuff:
    Stupse!

    The Prime Minister said there would be an amendment. The Attorney General said there would be an amendment. The COP wants another Deputy so lewwe fix um and guh long. There is nothing complex about that. But we have geniuses such as Greene extrapolating what this is symptomatic of: A highly successful government amending law to give FULL effect to much-needed and very necessary position. But where Government strives to do right by the country you have the detractors. That’s okay. One knows that you’re doing the right thing when you are decried by persons, wastrels with hearts of enmity. And this government without doubt has quite a few wastrels consistently decrying them so I say they must be doing a fantastic job.

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  • @Khaleel

    Imagine if you were to get the BLP parliament moving with the same zeal to operationalize integrity legislation. What a wonderful thing this would be.

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  • @ Khaleel Kothdiwala June 6, 2020 5:28 PM

    Why don’t you take to the ‘wise’ counsel of the ‘seasoned’ Blogmaster @ David
    June 6, 2020 5:58 PM:
    “Imagine if you were to get the BLP parliament moving with the same zeal to operationalize integrity legislation. What a wonderful thing this would be.”

    After all, it is precisely that piece of promised legislation on which the current administration launched its ‘Covenant of Hope’ election platform.

    Not one of politicising or increasing the size of the top tier of management of the body constitutionally entrusted with the responsibility of enforcement of the laws of the 2×3 Land.

    When politicians in so-called democratic countries- which ought to function by respecting the Rule of Law(s)- seek to politicise the very law-enforcement institution by imposing their partisan then the only road left to travel is one of anarchy or dictatorship.

    Now make your choice for your little ripening banana republic!

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  • @David

    I have spoken to integrity legislation numerous times. I, like you, would like to have it on the statute books not today, but 12 years ago. However the reality is that I would also like that piece of legislation to be sound and air tight and sometimes that requires deliberative time. As I said before, festina lente! To stay on the motif of hackneyed phrases David also note: there is no perfection in the life of this world!

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  • @Khaleel

    Speaking to Integrity Legislation must be given weigh tif we want to fairly assess this government’s performance. It is disingenuous some may say to focus on economic performance as a single measurement of performance. We are suppose to be an intelligent people therefore it is expected educated Barbadians should bring a holistic perspective to bear.

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  • @Greene

    From a technical view can you say why the Barbados Police Force needs a DCOP to sit in the role of HR manager? Is the positional figure conforming with other jurisdictions?

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  • @ June 6, 2020 6:36 PM
    “I have spoken to integrity legislation numerous times”
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    You are a little blasted ‘big-time’ liar!

    You have always evaded the queries concerning the contents or tried to justify the reason for the non-opening of the red handbag.

    Prove us wrong!
    Show us your contributions to BU in support of the operationalising of the legislation which has been in the pipeline going back to the first term of the previous legislation.

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  • @ Miller June 6, 2020 7:13 PM

    ‘previous administration’ and not “legislation”.

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  • @David

    Understanding that government is about juggling several balls simultaneously and equally acknowledging that economic perfomance cannot be the sole determinant of success and understanding that there is no perfection in life, I submit that important first steps have been and are being made with respect to integrity legislation. Is it is as far as we would like? Perhaps not. But it is undoubtedly reaching the desired stage. In all things, festina lente!

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    @Miller

    I have no need to produce quotations plain as ever for anyone to go back and see. You can take on that task if I wish. To help you, on one of the blogposts with respect to the DCP position I spoke I believe thrice (more than that I believe) to the need for integrity legislation. I’ll leave the menial work of finding the precise wording to you as I’m a firm believer in giving wastrels some hard work occasionally to do. It might cause a rectification of their tendencies. I note with interest that I am both little and big time. Another instance of confoundment?

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  • @Khaleel Kothdiwala June 6, 2020 7:25 PM

    It should read: “you can take on that task if you wish”

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  • @ Khaleel Kothdiwala June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
    “In all things, festina lente!”
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    So why were you and your red ass-licking breed so hasty with the previous administration? Why all the rubbing shoulders and marching like the grand duchess of the bushy hall and hill

    Doesn’t the invitation of the former adminstration’s big boy(s) to sit in the chair of one of the current architects responsible for the Covid-recovery plan represent a clear indication the previous administration was on the right path towards the salvation of a ‘broke’ Barbados in spite of the printing money and the NSRL which the current administration will soon be ‘re-introducing’ under another name?

    As the ole-time Bajans would say: ‘Tekking time ain’t laziness’ aka “In all things, festina lente!”

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  • @Millsy June 6, 2020 7:49 PM

    That you don’t know the distinction between festina lente and being incompetently slow is predictable. That you would think festina lente would be applicable to Greene’s political party is also predictable. That you deliberately misconstrue (I hope it’s deliberate and not actually due to benightment) Sinckler’s ex officio position on a broad-based advisory council is also entirely predictable. Millsy, you need to get new talking points. Perhaps getting new ones might give you the opportunity to use some that at least have a fraction of an iota of truth. It would be a much needed departure from what presently obtains.

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  • @ Khaleel Kothdiwala June 6, 2020 8:03 PM

    So how would you ‘construe’ the continuing love affair between the two “MMs”?

    Is it one of “festina lente” as a result of his past association with the incompetently slow DLP?

    Or is it a marriage of ‘currency’ convenience?

    For if the business tycoon man ‘MAM’ was so faithfully corrupt under the previous dispensation as to attract the censure of the red MAM he has to be twice as corrupt and a well-seasoned mover and shaker of bribery under the current lot since a corrupt ‘festina lente’ leopard cannot change its spot to turn into a competent cheetah or a law-abiding hyena.

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  • These are dark times. Our government is doing many things right. And what is the opposition doing? They’re calling for a witch hunt against the Attorney General just because he’s doing good work. They spread fake news one after the other. So sad.

    I think it is finally time to optimise freedom of expression and freedom of the press so that lies about our government are no longer spread. We should also immediately send the outspoken senator as ambassador to New York. The incumbent has obviously got no desire to work anymore.

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  • evil corrupt governments do this because once elected AFTER THEIR VOTE BEGGING,, lying to and deceiving the people on political platforms…. they believe they were give poder absolute. This piece of shit government needs to be exposed EVERY DAY for the next 3 years…and according to some, they will be.

    “After insisting that it was a legal appointment, Government appears to have finally conceded that the appointment of a second Deputy Commissioner of Police is not currently provided for in law. The administration has started the process of amending the legislation to change that.

    And Opposition Senator Caswell Franklyn, the man who led the charge in questioning the illegality of the appointment, continues to blast the Government’s “shoddy” decision-making.

    On Friday – more than a month after former assistant Police Commissioner Oral Williams was appointed Deputy Commissioner, Parliament published a Bill to provide for two Deputy Police Commissioners by amending the Police Act, Cap 167.

    A copy of the Police (Amendment) Bill, 2020, which was obtained by Barbados TODAY confirmed that section six of the Police Act will replace the words “a Deputy Commissioner” with the words “two Deputy Commissioners”

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  • David

    “A good place to have started if we could rewind- was for the PM to let the AG deal with the matter, this would have improved the optics and disentangled the police force from being politicized. Sensitivity should be exercised by politicians when dealing with some matters.”

    Politicisation you say, where and how? You mean by the Senator and Verla? Or the media? The media like BU could have allowed the AG to deal with the matter. The media also needs to do a bit more research before it publishes stories. Even the headline of the recent Barbados Today story is misleading. No one can deny the post was transparently and lawfully established. After the amendment, then what?

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  • @enuff

    And the prime minister could have keep her mouth shut or deflected the question to the AG who was present.

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  • David
    She could have, that’s true. I would have. Then the media and some on BU would have reported it as she dodged or threw the AG under the bus. Isn’t it only few days ago the AG was about to be fired? In the meantime the AG continued with legislative changes to speed up the judicial system as two more amendments were passed in the lower house. I look forward to the debate on the 2 commissioners amendment.

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  • @enuff

    There will always be unreasonable people who will never be satisfied it is true. In this case the prime minister is practised in the art of public speaking she could have easily synced her response with that if the AG to avoid the current situation.

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  • to answer your question whether a second DCOP is necessary, the short answer is no. those responsibilities could have been given to an ACOP answerable to the Deputy. as it stands the Bim police service is too top heavy anyway.

    conversely anything can be justified if you have the time and energy to spin

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  • @Greene

    HR responsibilities are civilian duties at half the salary. A well-trained police officer should be helping out in policy issues, not sitting behind a desk ticking boxes.

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  • The public was told the request for the second DCOP came from within the ranks of the Barbados Police Force.

    Enough said.

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  • @Hal
    that is even better than my suggestion

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  • @David

    didnt you ask me a question?

    if you are responding to me, what are you trying to say?

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  • To connect the dots. Why would a top heavy police force to use you words request the additional DCOP post?

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  • @ Greene

    One of the pleasures of getting old is that you remember the old days. When I first started working, the boss or works manager used hire new staff; then a position called personnel staff were invented, basically one man and a dog; then, since the 1990s, this ever expanding, non-productive, mainly female HR discipline descended upon us; at the FT, when key productive staff were being made redundant, our HR staff was ever expanding.

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  • @ Enuff June 7, 2020 9:38 AM

    Mr. Enuff, are willing to concede that the Primus inter pares (Pip) made an error in contradicting the AG?

    The same way you ‘agreed’ that the AG admitted to his error and is about to correct it in the interest of the promised ‘transparency and ‘good governance’, would you agree the Pip should keep silent as a show of contriteness when the matter of amendment comes up in Parliament?

    “Those who never retract their opinions love themselves more than they love truth.” ~Joseph Joubert

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  • @David,

    make your point please

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  • Then the media and some on BU would have reported it as she dodged or threw the AG under the bus
    ++++++++++++++++++
    The question didn’t require an either-or answer, the PM could have said the AG is the Chief legal officer of the country and we are going to follow his advice.no dodging or throwing anyone under the bus. Instead she showed her intransigence by declaring that the appointment is above board and the Gov’t was correct, thereby fanning the embers of a dying fire.

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  • The only one who has to resign in this whole matter is the outspoken senator. By criticizing the BOSS program, he is obstructing any reasonable reform of the civil service. He doesn’t give a damn about the many unemployed, because he only has his eye on the civil servants.

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  • Then the media and some on BU would have reported it as she dodged or threw the AG under the bus
    +++++++++++

    The question didn’t require an either-or answer, the PM could have said the AG is the Chief legal officer of the country and we are going to follow his advice.no dodging or throwing anyone under the bus. Instead she showed her intransigence by declaring that the appointment is above board and the Gov’t was correct, thereby fanning the embers of a dying fire.

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  • @Greene

    How many times must the point be made? The request for a DCOP originated from the COP. He has not denied it. It was accepted on the surface by the principals in government who are responsible. The police force is highly politicised how decisions are taken, how the previous PSA operated with the appointment of Guyson Mayers to name one example.

    BTW the blogmaster is not trivialising the importance of recruiting competent HR practitioners. The days of the personnel department has been superseded. The ability to develop training programs aligned to strategic goals, managing employee and labour relations, not to forget negotiating and managing health and pension plans etc.

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  • Mucho moderation?

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  • @Hal,

    there is a story that goes this way-

    a small town in the US used to have its connecting bridge vandalised every night.

    so the town’s people voted to hire a watchman. the watchman needed to be paid so they hired a clerk. the clerk said she was a kind of secretary and could not deal with money so they hired an accountant.

    the accountant said he dealt with the reconciling of the budget to pay the clerk and the watchman so they hired an admin assistant for the Bridge Protection Dept as it was now called

    a recession hit and the town’s funding was cut so they had to let go a staff member from the Bridge Protection Dept, which got together and had a vote. they voted to fire the watchman

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  • @David,

    you could have made your point without asking me if i thought the Bim Police needed another DCOP. that is quite apart from whether the COP asked for another or not. so i really dont get why you asked and why the two are connected?

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  • Any person who wishes to exercise their good Barbadian education which has given them the ability both to read as well as practise critical listening can tell you that both the Attorney General and the Prime Minister said precisely the same thing – the law will be amended. What train has been set in motion subsequently? A bill to amend the Act. So if anyone could point out to me conclusively the dissonance existing in the Administration I would be most grateful.

    Enuff makes a fantastic point. Whether she spoke or she remained silent, she would have been heckled by the same quarters. Government moves to accede to the wishes of the COP to have another DCP and is decried as acting too quickly. Government moves with deliberative pace to enact and operationalise integrity legislation and is decried for being “too slow”. Government employs very useful consultants to complement the civil service and is decried for employing “hangers on”. Government follows the advice of the civil service in this instance (technically the police force is not strictly civil service), i.e. the COP who knows his force, and knows he needs another DCP, and is decried still. Wuhloss, George Jones like he was singing bout Barbados when he sang “Sometimes You Just Can’t Win”. As I am always at pains to say, kindly make up your minds!

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  • @Greene

    That is ok, they are a few on the blog who understand.

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  • @Khaleel

    You are not correct. All of us are not painted in colours yellow or red. It would not have registered as an issue with the blogmaster for example.

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  • @David

    You were not referenced in my comment at 10:54. As you would say, it was a “who the cap fit” comment.

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  • @ Khaleel Kothdiwala June 7, 2020 10:54 AM
    “ the COP who knows his force, and knows he needs another DCP, and is decried still.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Now that the second DCoP is in place and the force is now equipped with the necessary managerial expertise, can you justify the keeping on of any consultant for police matters?

    Remember that any penny saved is indeed a cent earned in these fiscally confining times of both BERT and Covid!

    How about engaging the services of Dr. Delisle Worrell?

    We are sure he wouldn’t mind doing his duty out of a commitment to that altruistically guiding principle of “Noblesse Oblige”.

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  • @Miller
    “can you justify the keeping on of any consultant for police matters?”

    When I get the job as PRO of the RBPF I will let you know! It’s not my place to justify it. But it would seem to me from the information I have, Mr Dottin has not been contracted to deal with HR matters, so the connection Miller is…….?

    Also I extract below a previous comment of mine from a few minutes ago for you to ruminate on:

    “Government employs very useful consultants to complement the civil service and is decried for employing “hangers on”. Government follows the advice of the civil service, …, and is decried still. Wuhloss, George Jones like he was singing bout Barbados when he sang “Sometimes You Just Can’t Win”. As I am always at pains to say, kindly make up your minds!”

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  • @Khaleel Kothdiwala June 7, 2020 11:21 AM

    You ought to add too that they are decried for having too many advisors and consultants, while the same individuals campaign for them to add more!

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  • @ Khaleel Kothdiwala June 7, 2020 11:21 AM

    If you are not the PRO what information do you have access to confirm what matters (other than HR) Mr. Dottin is contracted to consult on?

    Matters contained in the AG’s reports or the red bag paraded on the platform?

    What expertise can the ex CoP offer that the current CoP is incapable of giving?

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  • Greene
    Have you assessed the structure and functioning of the RBPF to support your position? Why in an organisation such as a police force, personnel management ought not to be on the same level as operations? Isn’t a Director of HR now standard practice in large organisations? I don’t subscribe to politically-driven, non-evidenced conclusions. Was Arni Walters needed at BWA? Was the $300,000 consultancy to Guyson Mayers necessary? Why don’t you talk about the money collected by the battery of lawyers, including the kingly one, that the A-G talking about? After all aren’t you an aspirant?

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  • @Miller June 7, 2020 12:10 PM

    Why must it be a zero-sum game? Has anyone said that Dottin is offering services which cannot be rendered by Griffith or which he is incapable of rendering? Absolutely not. His is a complementary role. The offering up of expertise need not be adversarial my dear chap.

    Anyhow, kindly decide on which criticism you wish to level first. These DtM folks seem to have multipersonality criticism disorder.

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  • As usual, Green and others are so hypocritical. Wasn’t it Adrian Wrathbate and other DLP ministers who gave contracts to DLP lawyers for millions of BBDs instead of having the work done fFOR FREE in AG Chambers? Even a monkey could have drawn up the contracts within an hour. Instead, the work was awarded to highly mediocre lawyers. And wasn’t it the former Attorney General who assisted Donville Inniss in New York? His friend, a criminal alien convicted by a federal court of the most serious crimes in the USA?

    For those who are constantly upset about the BLP and Mia Mottley, it’s worth remembering what was going on until May 2018: Shit was flowing around the streets on the south coast for years. And what did the DLP ministers and DLP supporters do? Instead of solving the problem, they got excited by the smell, because it reminded them of their childhood on the pig farm.They’re all from native slums and behave so. Mia Mottley and her fabulous ministers solved the problem within a month.

    These are the facts.

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  • @ Khaleel Kothdiwala June 7, 2020 12:32 PM

    What “complementary” what?

    Why not make it ‘complimentary’ as part of your constant call for “forced” Noblesse Oblige.

    Why this duplication of expertise? Is it pro bono? For heavens sake, the man is already pensioned!

    Is the current administration serious about BERT or Covid?

    You are asking public sector workers to cut and contrive in order to survive even through BOSS.

    Yet you are engaging in the payment for services which are already available in-house.

    Are these ‘consultants and duplicates’ going to be paid in bonds too?

    PS: Why not hire the services of retired school principals to complement the existing cohort since education in Bim seems to be under tremendous pressure and the schools not as well ‘managed’ as their ought to?

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  • @ Tron June 7, 2020 12:53 PM

    You are pretending that you don’t know that Donville was and still is a very close friend of MAM along with the movers and shakers in the red camp.

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  • @ Miller June 7, 2020 1:08 PM

    That is precisely why I hope that the US judiciary will make an example of him. He is a criminal alien who must be punished severely under the Trump doctrine. Imprisonment and/or penal labour. The US judiciary must destroy him so that he serves as a deterrent example to local politicians from the opposition and police officers who cling to their “complaint” like needy servants to their master.

    If the weak Holder with his Barbadian ancestry and lax attitude towards foreigner crime had been AG, Donville would never have been charged in the USA. Although I don’t hold a high opinion of Trump: At least he cracks down on foreign criminal elements. Donville and his kind are supposed to commit their criminal acts in the slums of Barbados. There is enough crime in the USA, they do not need immigrant criminals.

    Moreover, it is one thing if politicians have known each other for many years as a result of joint parliamentary work, and it is another thing whether they support criminal acts. It was not Mia Mottley who accompanied Donville Inniss to New York. It was the former DLP Attorney General who openly sided with injustice and serious crime.

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  • @Miller June 7, 2020 1:02 PM

    Make up your mind about which vein of criticism you wish to pursue, and then I can engage you. Until then, it makes little sense engaging with a criticising schizophrenic.

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  • @ Khaleel Kothdiwala June 7, 2020 1:36 PM

    What would you call a person who ardently believes in the doctrine of “forced noblesse oblige”?
    A Jekyll and Hyde personality type who still can’t figure out which side he is on in the duopoly class for political toddlers?

    Now why don’t you make up your mind? You are forcing people to work for the national good. But yet you want to pay for services already provided by these same workers who being called upon to make sacrifices.

    Isn’t that what is at stake here?

    Why can’t the ‘consulting’ CoP be a subject of your paradox of ‘forced noblesse oblige’?

    You have been embarrassingly shamed by the volte-face now being taken as a legal position by the AG.

    Please don’t allow your young political self to be used and then refused like that again.

    Festina lente! N’est-ce pas ?

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  • talking about shiite. the way how both parties handled the shiite on the South Coast is symbolic of how they have dealt with Bim;s problems. the DLP knew the shiite was there but were advised that a new plant was needed to take care of the shiite once and for all. they warned the area residents to stop pouring substance down the drains that cause the shiite to come to the surface. the people said no, yes it is our shiite but we elected you to deal with it and if you dont we will mess up your election chances. the DLP said this is your shiite and you will have to endure it until we can pay for the plant that will solve the shiite problem. in the meantime we will try some short term solutions to alleviate the problem but you will have to smell shiite from time to time. so they left the shiite where it was created for those who created it to deal with until they could fix the problem once and for all. people in the area protested-take this shiite from around us. who wants to deal with their own shiite anyway?, they screamed.

    the BLP possessed of the same knowledge as the DLP in how to fix the shiite issue said we know how to deal with this shiite. give us the chance to show how we can deal with shiite issues better than the DLP. so the people said yeah we going to give you the opportunity to solve our shiite and so they did overwhelmingly. first the BLP rewarded one of the people who created the shiite then brought it to the public’s attention. the BLP then spread the cost to take care of the shiite among the public who had nothing to do the shiite in the first place. to deal with the shiite itself at first they placed it in a big pile nearby but away from the public’s eyes. when the public found out and cried out they pumped the shiite into an area that had nothing to do with shiite.

    the shiite problem is still there but people love the BLP because at least they dont wake up to their own shiite, they dont see the shiite they did and their shiite is somewhere else for somebody / something to deal with until a final solution can be found but same shiite different party

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  • KK
    Don’t bother with the verbosed one. They need to read more and pollute less. Is Dottin not a consultant to AG rather than the RBPF?

    “HR responsibilities are civilian duties at half the salary. A well-trained police officer should be helping out in policy issues, not sitting behind a desk ticking boxes.”

    Because human resources is just ticking boxes? Because policy can be formulated void of the human resources aspect? Because health & safety, performance management, upskilling, employee support, job satisfaction, developing an organisational culture, mentoring etc are not important? WDRH I duz read on BU? In the UK where Mr.Austin resides, the gentleman (a civilian) responsible for HR matters and overall operations, earns a salary around £200,000 equal to or very close to the Deputy Commissioner. In fact the gentleman describes his role as Deputy to the Commissioner. Under him is a Director HR, obviously civilian, with a salary far north of £100,000. The DCOP in Bim earns $114,570, an Assistant Commissioner $102,991. Effective personnel management is critical to the overall functioning of the police force. Yet we are willing to squabble about the elevation of the RBPF’s HR and administration matters to the upper echelons of the management structure of the organisation over $11,580 or $114,570. The $3.9M in lawyer fees paid at SSA between 2008-2018 alone would have paid a DCOP for 34 years. Thirty-four!! What do we have to show for the SSA for those 10yrs, an unfinished carpeted building? But we cussing White Oak. GTFOH!

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  • @greene

    Having relieved yourself of all that should we wait to vote back it the DLP to give them a second chance to right the wrong.

    Now you may understand why some of us are so apathetic to the duopoly.

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