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Submitted by Nathan โ€˜Jollyโ€™ Green

We have all heard of the saying โ€œhistory always repeats itself.โ€ Well the COVID 19 virus is a pandemic, just like the Spanish Flu of 1918 was a pandemic.

sick bedsLike today, in Britain, temporary hospitals were equipped; every bed in the picture has someone in it. Many in the country wore face masks, and social distancing was observed. But like today there were the unbelievers, who thought it was all a hoax, and they would never get ill, least of all die. But they could, and they did, they died by the millions.

The Spanish Flu lasted about 36months, and during that time, 500 million fell ill in the world, and between 50 to 100 million died. All those who were going to die, all those who could die, died. There were no more whom it could kill. Fit people had probably developed herd immunity, over a 3 to 5 year period. There was one significant difference between this and the Corona Virus, it killed the elderly and weak first, but it also killed people of all other ages. Some stragglers were ill for several years after that. But the susceptible had died, the old, the sick, the infirm, they all died. The fit eventually stopped being ill from it and it ultimately fizzled out. Like today there were no known potions, medicines, or vaccines.

At the time, Churches were locked down, all places where people gathered were closed, assembly was banned, and stay at home periods observed, even curfews enforced.

When the Spanish Flu first appeared in the U.S. in early March 1918, it had all the hallmarks of the seasonal Flu, albeit a highly contagious and virulent strain. One of the first registered cases was Albert Gitchell, a U.S. Army cook at Camp Funston in Kansas, who was hospitalized with a 104-degree fever. The virus spread quickly through the Army installation, home to 54,000 troops. By the end of the month, 1,100 soldiers had been hospitalized, and 38 [3%] had died after developing pneumonia.

As U.S. troops deployed en masse for the war effort in Europe [WW1], they carried the Spanish Flu with them. Throughout April and May of 1918, the virus spread like wildfire through England, France, Spain and Italy. An estimated three-quarters of the French military was infected in the spring of 1918 and as many as half of British troops. Yet the first wave of the virus didn’t appear to be particularly deadly, with symptoms like high fever and malaise usually lasting only three days. According to limited public health data from the time, mortality rates were similar to seasonal Flu.

The death rate was about 3%, the same as today’s COVID 19. People in those days died a lot easier, and they considered 3% pretty acceptable and in-line with most other infectious disease mortality rates.

Reported cases of Spanish Flu dropped off over the summer of 1918, and there was hope at the beginning of August that the virus had run its course. People were fed up with being locked down and could not wait to get out, down to the pub, down to the chip shop. So by mid-summer, thinking it was all but over the people flocked everywhere, like never before.

What they did not know was viruses tend to come in waves, there was a second wave of infection following closely on the heels of the first infection. About 3.5 million people had been killed worldwide with the first strike by the virus, but it was only the calm before the storm. Somewhere in Europe, a mutated strain of the Spanish flu virus had emerged that had the power to kill a perfectly healthy young man or woman within 24 hours of showing the first signs of infection.

In late August 1918, military ships departed the English port city of Plymouth carrying troops unknowingly infected with this new, far deadlier strain of Spanish Flu. As these ships arrived in towns and cities like Brest in France, Boston in the United States, and Freetown in West Africa, the second wave of the global pandemic began. This second wave went on to kill 10-20% of those inflicted, and now a further 45 to 100 million were to die, and die they did.

From September through November of 1918, the death rate from the Spanish Flu skyrocketed. In the United States alone, 195,000 Americans died from the Spanish Flu in just a month of October 1918. The first wave of the virus had killed all the worlds’ old folk and those with pre-existing illnesses. This newly mutated strain killed anyone, any age, it was unstoppable. Then it got even worse, if that was possible, a massive spike in the middle of the second wave composed of otherwise healthy 25- to 35-year-olds in the prime of their life. They died like flies; no family was spared.

Not only was it shocking that healthy young men and women were dying by the millions worldwide, but it was also how they were dying. Struck with blistering fevers, nasal haemorrhaging, and pneumonia, the patients would drown in their fluid-filled lungs.

If that sounds familiar, it should. Because those dying with COVID 19 also drown on the fluid in their lungs produced by pneumonia.

What we should all fear is when they blow the whistle and call the all-clear, tell us it’s OK to go out again, that a second wave will come and catch us all unawares. Because there is a great probability of that happening, virus pandemics tend to behave like that.

For those of you that have failed to grasp why you have all been asked to use social distancing, to wear face masks, voluntary and forced self and family isolation. It’s not because they are trying to stop the illness and stop the prevailing deaths, because that is impossible.

It’s much more straightforward than that. If we all go out and about and we all get ill at the same time, they would never be able to control the rate of which we fall sick and the rate that some of us die. We will all be ill at the same time. They have to slow it down so as hospitals, funeral parlors, and undertakers can cope. If we all get sick at once, the whole system will collapse, and we will all end up dying in our beds, in the street, park benches, everywhere.

As for all the silly people who think if they go out and get the virus will then get better and will, from then on, have immunity from the disease for the future. Well, I am sorry to inform you it does not quite work like that.

Some of you will get well again, some will fully recover, but those that rapidly die will not ever get the immunity because they will be dead.

For me, when they blow the whistle and call the all clear, I am staying under lockdown. I will watch what happens first for a few weeks. Those of you that cannot wait to get out and risk becoming ill and dying, farewell, have an awesome trip.

For anyone over 60, pray that they will produce an effective vaccine by the yearsโ€™ end as promised. Or they find an existing chemical antiviral drug that works on COVID 19. If they do not, it may be lockdown for some time to come.

For those of you who think I have overstated the case, take a look at this article.

https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence


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276 responses to “A Cautionary Tale: Understanding the Second and Perhaps the Third Wave”


  1. EU keeping tabs on barbados undercover dealings
    In one breath the AG says he did not know of such information
    Then in the other breath says he was informed before info was released
    If barbados govt believe that allowing a luxury yacht to enter barbados ports and one of the main characters were willy milly released under suspicious judicial procedure and international countries that are fighting drugs and money laundering were not watching
    Barbados govt officials indeed had a new thing coming
    Yes all and every move that smells of corruption in barbados would be highlighted by countries and international agencies that smells or sees wrongful judicial procedure that attempts to coverup mischievous actions


  2. “If barbados govt believe that allowing a luxury yacht to enter barbados ports and one of the main characters were willy milly released under suspicious judicial procedure and international countries that are fighting drugs and money laundering were not watching.”

    @ Mariposa

    Come on, my friend.

    And, you believe the “international countries that are fighting drugs and money laundering were not watching” DONVILLE INNISS’ bribe taking and money laundering case as well?

    You believe they weren’t watching how easy it was for a government minister to accept a ‘draw-back’ from an insurance company and laundering his ‘ill-gotten gains’ through a dental practice in the USA?

    You actually think dropping charges against Herbert was more important than Donville Inniss’ money laundering case?

    The dropping of charges against Herbert may be questionable, but the evidence against Inniss was so overwhelming that he was found GUILTY.


  3. @Mariposa

    You are again spot on. Your criminological sensibilities are on form. Donville Inniss was a simple working class crook; the allegations against Charles Herbert, chairman of a top company, and a key player in public policy, were far more serious.
    The reasons given by the DPP are, to my mind, highly questionable: not sufficient evidence; and not in the public interest. Of course, as part of the Barbadian Condition, there was no need for a public explanation, nor indeed were questions asked by the media or in parliament.
    This is what the dudd for an attorney general should be concerning himself with. Do you remember that within 48 hours of the general election the attorney general and president came on TV panting and wavering bits of paper in the air and talking nonsense of contracts being signed prematurely. Whatever happened to that moment of panic?
    Two years later not a word; Donville has been convicted in a New York court for an offence involving a small amount of money allegedly committed in Barbados, involving an insurance company, not only has the Mottley government, who promised transparency and integrity in public life, has not yet held an inquiry in to the affair, not only have the police and attorney general avoided the issue, but the insurance company still trades and not a single one of its executives has been banned for holding high office in any Barbados company. Donville’s more serious crime was abuse of public office.
    Why has Charles Herbert, chairman of the company which we are told owned the yacht on which the contraband was found, not been asked in a public forum to explain himself. That is what criminal trials are for, to prove innocence or guilt. It is not for some pen-pusher to say he is not guilty.
    When are the other accused going to come to trial? Is there a more incompetent attorney general in the Caribbean than Marshall?
    @Mariposa, I think some of the BU predators are more interested in proving you wrong than championing integrity in public life. They are internet hyenas.


  4. Hal the blp spin doctors job is to attack
    Here is a case that was decided where the innocence of Charles Herbert was determined by what can be called a Kangroo Court
    I don’t think that the judiciary even gave thought to the fact that the EU might be watching


  5. @ Mariposa

    Of course, the EU/OECD is wrong; they are only picking on little, innocent Barbados. Every day we turn a blind eye to the massive money-laundering going on with West Coast property. The estate agents get their cut, the lawyers get their cut, the surveyors get their cut and the state gets its cut.
    What is sad is that they think these things go on in secret. What do they think the EU has a mission in Barbados for? To hold parties and t ell idiots how clever they are? Why do they think the Brits have a high commission in Barbados? To arrange cricket matches? Why do they think the yanks have an embassy in Barbados? Just to hand out visas? Grow up.
    The reason why all these diplomats have parties and invite so many Barbadian is primarily to milk them of information. What they think is a nice social conversation is soft interrogation; when diplomats leave them to go to the toilet, it is often to write down an aide memoire. After the parties they get together and do a jog-saw arrangement on what has been said. It is a trick as old as the hills. When push comes to shove, they offer cash.
    Let us take a simple example, which is not off message. The US embassy is sponsoring the media workers awards and dance; do they think the yanks are doing that out of the goodness of their hearts. They are doing it to compromise you, sillies. It is an old trick.
    We had a policy that if a reporter was invited to even a drink in a pub they had to report it. We did not do that to be controlling, but to keep check on what these demons are up to.
    I can give an example of such behaviour in Barbados, involving a permanent secretary, but it will compromise the persons involved.

  6. Freedom Crier Avatar
    Freedom Crier

    WILL SOMEONE PLEASE GET RID OF MINISTER SIMMONS BY FIRING HIM WITHOUT NOTICEโ€ฆ

    He is a Nincompoop. He wants Barbados to Stay a Beggar for the Rest of its life. For a Minister to make such Statements shows his LACK OF UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE!. Simmons is retaining the UK which is the Epicenter of Covid in Europe and he is Shutting Down the Visitors from America but our Boarders are open to China!!

    If the Minister has a Problem with President Trump, he should say so, donโ€™t Cripple Barbados because of his Prejudice. It is a Known fact that America now has Test that you can Confirm if someone has Covid within Five Minutes.

    When you Spit on your Friends and you Invite your Enemies into your Ports you must expect your friend to tell you to Watch What you are doing. And the same news you have been watching in the State of New York have been the Cause of the incompetence of that States Govenor when he mandated that Nursing Homes had to take back Covid Patients. He did not protect the Elderly as we do in Barbados and it has also been reported that any Natural Death that does not have a cause is being recorded as Covid, even a man that has died from a heart attack and also had Covid, it is being recorded as a Covid death. The reason to Understand this is Quite Simpleโ€ฆHospitals are now underutilized with Nurses and other Health Care Professionals are being laid-off. In order to get more Governmental Revenue it pays more to rack up the Statistics of Covid. Doctors have Complained that their cause of Death on Certificates are being Altered to Reflect Covid.

    Why is Simmons Singling out Americans in view of what was discussed aboveโ€ฆThey have done more to Advance the Treatment of Covid and the Speedy Research into Covid than any other Nation. Yet he Precedes to Slam the door Shut in their Faces, while keeping the doors open to China that caused the spread of the Virusโ€ฆSimmons is Palying a Dangerous Game!

    https://barbadostoday.bb/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/IMG_5083-730×456.jpg


  7. “@Mariposa, I think some of the BU predators are more interested in proving you wrong than championing integrity in public life. They are internet hyenas.”

    Hmmmmm…….

    You once mentioned that asking a question on BU is interpreted as a statement.

    To ASK Mariposa since she believed the international countries were looking at the Herbert case, if they weren’t looking at Donville Inniss’ case similarly, has been interpreted by you as being “more interested in proving (her) wrong.”

    And, then you go on to put your ‘spin’ on the issue.

    Now, you have moved from describing HUMAN BEINGS against whom you show contempt, as “savages” and “barking wild dogs,” to “predators” and “hyenas.”

    It seems as though BU contributors are nothing more than ANIMALS to you.

    I’ll show some maturity by refusing to appropriately describe you, your wife and children.

    Perhaps you should think seriously about seeking the help of a psychiatrist.


  8. “THAT THE FRENCH EXPERT WHO ACHIEVED A 91% SUCCESS RATE IN TREATING COVID19 PATIENTS WITH HYDROXYCHLOROQUINONE is a fact! AND RELEVANT AND ACCURATELY STATED BY A SCHOLAR IN PHARMACOLOGY. THIS CAN NOT BE REFUTED”

    Anecdotal and you know it
    Everyone including Trump has moved on from that drug and you are still running your mouth.
    Stop embarrassing yourself
    How about you go work on that book on clinical pharmacology that you claim you could write.
    You can self publish, so no excuses


  9. โ€œTHAT THE FRENCH EXPERT WHO ACHIEVED A 91% SUCCESS RATE IN TREATING COVID19 PATIENTS WITH HYDROXYCHLOROQUINONE is a fact!

    Anecdotal INDEED.

    910 OF 1000 PATIENTS IS VERY GOOD ANECDOTAL.
    NOW REPORTED IN THE MEDICAL LITERATURE

    MAN IF I GOT THESE RESULTS USING BREADFRUIT FOR ANY CONDITION I WOULD PLANT A BREADFRUIT ORCHARD!

    THE SPURIOUS REPORT THAT AN ENGINEER AND BALANCED MAN DRANK AQUARIUM CLEANER , WAS ANECDOTAL TOO, BUT THIS STORY IS BELIEVED BY MORONS, UH LIE?

    HYDROXYCHLOROQUINONE HAS
    SHORT ONSET OF ACTION
    LONG DURATION OF ACTION , BECAUSE OF ITS
    LONG HALF LIFE
    WIDE THERAPEUTIC INDEX
    MECHANISM OF ACTION SUITABLE FOR THE OBSERVED PATHOLOGY
    EFFICACIOUS FOR THE INDICATION
    ON THE MARKET FOR OVER 50 YEARS

    THIS IS SOUND PHARMACOLOGY THAT CAN NOT BE REFUTED

    GOOD RULE OF THUMB FOR ALL WHO PRESCRIBE MEDICATION

    NEVER BE THE FIRST THE GRASP THE NEW
    NEVER BE THE FIRST THE ABANDON THE OLD

    ADDENDUM TO THAT
    NEVER FOLLOW MEDICAL ADVICE AND MORONIC MOUTHINGS GIVEN BY OBVIOUS MEDICAL ILLITERATES ON BU, WHOSE CEREBRUM AND CERIBELLAR BETZ CELLS HAVE UNDERGONE METAPLASIA TO RECTAL TYPE MUCOSA, AND FUNCTION THUS


  10. FOR MONTHS BU HAS BEEN SERVING UP A DAILY DIET OF RUBBISH ABOUT COVID19
    I HAVE TENDED TO LOOK ON QUIETLY AS IT TAKES TOO MUCH TIME TO CORRECT RECTAL MUCOSAL EXUDATES, BUT IT IS FUN TO READ THE EFFLUXING.

    WATCH NOW, WATCH

    BACK TO THE LITERATURE FROM THE PROFESSIONALS

  11. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Artax, again thanks for your objectivity on the broader issues of politicizing criminal/judicial proceedings that are governed by an accumulation of evidence whether it be ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ or ‘preponderance of the evidence’.

    Many a criminal case that looks a slam dunk based on public info is never presented to a jury because of a prosecutor accepting that convincing a jury to the high bar of ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ cannot be reached. This Herbert case always appeared to be such and any reasonable person can reach that simple assessment.. alas we know that @Mari long ago left reason at his/her altar of political prostitution!

    @Northern fair enough re “USA & Canada are almost identical in testing relative to their population. […] Then you look down at Belgium which has much higher relative testing, and yet, higher relative deaths…”

    I believe we are saying the same thing with slightly different accents, so to speak: A deep dive of the numbers can lead to complex /competing rationales. …Or as you bluntly said it: Lots of anomalies, far less explanations.

    At the more mundane it appears that for all countries the matters of population density, climate, commonsense distancing/other precautions, societal customs and a fundamental acceptance of self-care can change the numbers unexpectedly. Or as the NYT of May 3 noted five categories of the riddling anomalies: the Power of Youth, Culture Distance (How people greet each other and interact), Heat and Light, Early and Strict Lockdowns, and my favorite, Roll of the Dice!

    The grave issues in NY state are primarily ALL in the city boroughs…the upstate areas (as they call it) which are much more comparable to the vast stretches in Cali, Wisconsin, Utah or in a lovely Canadian suburban-rural area are not as affected.

    Clearly the high density of areas in NYC and NJ (Mt Vernon/New Rochelle, Hoboken-NJ) are similiar when compared to places like Watts/Inglewood and surroundings in S. LA … those contribute to the skewing of the overall state numbers.

    In Japan, for example where citizens are by nature exceedingly deferential and for years wore face masks not simply because of bad air quality but when the individual him/herself felt ill and wanted to protect their peers, one would have expected that the Covid spread would have been slower and controlled… and it was for a period initially despite their AGED/SENIOR population demographic.

    But why has the virus NOT blazed through the dense pop in Haiti’s Port-Au-Prince??? But it has been more rampant in Santo Domingo across the border in DR!!!

    Lots of anomalies, far less explanations

    I gone with my Bajan accent… I have no problem with your small ‘c’ canadian one however… as it seems as though there is still some Bajan in there! ๐Ÿ™‚


  12. RE re โ€œUSA & Canada are almost identical in testing relative to their population. [โ€ฆ] Then you look down at Belgium which has much higher relative testing, and yet, higher relative deathsโ€ฆโ€

    WHAT IS THE RELATION OF TESTING TO DEATHS? NONE!
    PATHOLOGY AND PATHO-PHYSIOLOGY IS ONLY RELATED TO TESTING ON BU! murdah!


  13. it is time I write and self publish a text book on Pathology murdah!
    if i include the BU PATHOLOGY AND PATHO-PHYSIOLOGY, ROBINS RUBINS AND ANDERSON WOULD BE IN DEEP DOO DOO……….LITERALLY! murdah!

  14. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    “WHAT IS THE RELATION OF TESTING TO DEATHS? NONE!”

    which is EXACTLY the point being made.


  15. THE point being made IS THAT PATHOLOGY AND PATHO-PHYSIOLOGY IS ONLY RELATED TO TESTING ON BU! murdah!


  16. BOOM!
    THE FRENCH PHYSICIAN GOT 91% SUCCESS

    BOOM! SEVERAL AMERICAN DRS ARE GETTING GOOD RESULTS

    BOOM! MEDICAL ILLITERATES NEED TO READ THE LITERATURE PROPERLY

    BOOM! MEDICAL ILLITERATES NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU WOULD CONTINUE A CLINICAL TRIAL IF YOU ARE NOT SEEING ANY BENEFIT FROM USING A DRUG


  17. Add proctology to your “book”, your brown nosing of Trump and John and your fascination with shit (SHITBAMA) make you an expert


  18. ACTUALLY I AM MORE INTERESTED IN GYNAECOLOGY! BUT I KNOW MY HISTOLOGY PHARMACOLOGY AND PATHOLOGY WELL! AND I LOVED TO PRESENT THE USMLE COURSE BY PARAGRAPH SO I HAVE A VERY GOOD GRASP OF GASTROENTEROLOGY

    I KNOW JOHN FROM HIS FIRST APPEARANCE AT HC IN THE 60’S AND INTERACTED WITH HIM IN THE 90’S ON THE NATIONAL TRUST SUNDAY WALKS. HE IS A VERY PLEASANT FELLOW. AND WORTHY OF RESPECT.

    I ENJOY HOW HE RUNS YOU ALL RAGGED!
    I ENJOY HOW TRUMP SENDS YOU ALL CRAZY WITH HATE!
    ITS A VERY GREAT SOURCE OF MIRTH!

    I DONT BROWN NOSE OR WORSHIP A FELLA. NOR DO I BOW DOWN


  19. WHY DONT MEDICAL ILLITERATES READ THE MEDICAL JOURNALS?

    JUST AS I DONT GO TO NEWSPAPERS FOR MY ESCHATOLOGY, I DONT GO TO NEWSPAPERS FOR MY PHARMACOLOGY, OR THERAPEUTICS.
    BOOM!


  20. Your middle stump is gone why are you still at the crease
    interested in gynaecology, LOL, seriously, you memorised that one,
    had to be an HC boy


  21. JUST GOT A NEW JOB TEACHING PHARMACOLOGY

    SEE ME DELVING THROUGH LOTS OF NEWSPAPER ARTICLES FOR THE PHARMACOLOGY NUGGETS TO TEACH THE CLASS! WOW!

    WHEN I CAME AND POSTED HERE FIRST TO DESTROY THAT ERRANT DRUG REP ON STATINS, I DID NOT CONSULT THE NEWS PAPERS. LOL LOL

    THE BU RUM SHOP IS THE GREATEST SOURCE OF MIRTH, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE MEDICAL ILLITERATES SEEK TO TEACH ME


  22. RE had to be an HC boy

    WHERE ELSE WOULD I HAVE GONE IN BARBADOS, BUT WITH THE CREAM?
    LOL LOL MURDAH
    interested in gynaecology &OBSTERICS. MOST CERTAINLY! THAT VERY EASY TO GRASP!
    IMPORTANT TO KNOW. ESSENTIAL TO BE EFFECTIVE IN MATERNAL & CHILD HEALTH!
    .


  23. RE Boom Boom!!!

    SOURCE:MEDICAL JOURNAL

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2012410?query=main_nav_lg

    COULD YOU PLEASE KINDLY EXPLAIN WHAT YOU HAVE READ HERE?
    BOOM! BOOM! I KNOW YOU DONT! BUT KEEP ON WORKING!

    I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT OTHERS GOT DIFFERENT RESULTS

    REMEMBER
    RIGHT PATIENT
    RIGHT DOSE
    RIGHT TIME
    RIGHT CONDITIONS

  24. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    You already know I am a medical illiterate.

    Pathology describes the abnormal condition, whereas pathophysiology seeks to explain the physiological processes of which such condition develops and progresses. (from internet)

    so what is/are the ‘abnormal condition(s)’? Is this fever, shortness of breath, pneumonia etc or do we just lump them together and call it Covid-19. Or is it death? And then is ‘patho-physiology’ the determination of the causes of various symptoms or of death itself.

    Also, how is it determined that cause of death, or is it possible or probable cause, was Covid-19 disease. Or is all this just a crap shoot?


  25. GENERALLY:

    FEVER= INFECTION USUALLY. MEANS THE BODY IS RESPONDING BY MOUNTING AN INFLAMMATORY RESPONSE. THE HEAT IS A RESULT OF CHEMICAL REACTIONS GOING ON

    SHORTNESS OF BREATH MIGHT BE DUE TO RESPIRATORY OR CARDIAC FAILURE
    OR EVEN COMPLICATIONS OF DIABETES IN DKA (like Bob Wolmer in 2007)

    PNEUMONIA OR PNEUMONITIS IS AN INFLAMMATORY RESPONSE IN THE LUNG TISSUE.

    YOU CAN HAVE THESE SYMPTOMS IN ANY RESPIRATORY ILLNESS NOT ONLY COVID

    IF ANY OF YOUR TISSUES OR ORGANS IS INSULTED FOR ANY REASON, YOU SHOULD MOUNT AN INFLAMMATORY RESPONSE, IN THE AREA IN PROPORTION TO THE DEGREE OF THE INSULT, IF YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING- WITH OR WITHOUT TREATMENT. THERE WILL BE HEAT, SWELLING, REDNESS, PAIN.

    IN SOME COVID CASES, THERE IS AN EXCESSIVE INFLAMMATORY RESPONSE. THIS IS WHAT IS CAUSING THE TROUBLE. ………in many respects

    โ€˜patho-physiologyโ€™ IS NOT the determination of the causes of various symptoms
    โ€˜patho-physiologyโ€™ IS A BALL BY BALL DESCRIPTION OF HOW THE various symptoms DEVELOPS AS A RESPONSE TO AN INSULT

    lots of fol being diagnosed as dying from covid are not truly covid
    in a pandemic it is well known that folk label everything as one- just as in this case

    cause of death, is best determined as atopsy where one can visualize all the tissues and organs macroscopically…….and then microscopically

  26. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    So short form….in a pandemic the cause of death is frequently inaccurate, and overstated in favour of the pandemic disease. That is, unless you live under a system where the state controls what they wish the cause of death to be.


  27. I haven’t been running my mouth on COVID – 19. Neither have I been running my mouth about Michelle Obama’s private parts or Barrack Obama’s sexual orientation.

    When you are laughing at our “hatred” of the Orange Turd, remember that I am laughing at your “hatred” of the “Shitty Bam Bam”.

    Why is it that you can label our criticism of Trump as hatred while yours of Obama is justified criticism? You were calling Obama “Shit Bama” long before the Orange Turd floated to the top of the toilet.

    PS. I have no doubt that John is a nice person when one meets him. He is probably the type who would pick up my books if I dropped them. Unfortunately, he is also capable of twisting himself into a grotesque pretzel to support an ideology. In deference to his “great scholarship” I will assume that he could not be so stupid as to believe some of his own arguments and therefore he must be a liar of the highest order when it comes to politics. I cannot respect that.


  28. To raise the discussion this note is for NO, on coming to a diagnosis, not so much the cause of death, but can be so sometimes I guess.

    Since 1976 when I started to study Pathology and was exposed to patients on the wards at UCHWI in Mona, someone taught us this mnemonicโ€ฆ.TIN CAN BED MIDI. It is a useful tool that I have used since to aid in diagnosis. Another tool was looking at the photos in texts like Hamilton Baileyโ€™s Signs and Demonstrations in Clinical Surgery.

    About 3o years ago, a colleague who was 14 years my senior, brought a lad to me and said โ€œGP, whatโ€™s this? โ€œ I looked in the boyโ€™s mouth and answered immediately, โ€œThatโ€™s a ranula!โ€ Neither she or I had seen one before. I have not seen one since. When she inquired how I knew I told her that it was pictured toward the bottom of the page around page 80 or so in Hamilton Baileyโ€™s Signs and Demonstrations in Clinical Surgery.

    Recently on a tv show, they presented an old white fellow with a funny looking swollen nose. I immediately said to my wife โ€œHe has a rhinophyma, and that ulcer near his eye is a skin cancer! Correct again!

    When I was too tired to study, I looked at pictures. 44 nears later, it pays off still.
    Back to TIN CAN BED MIDI! Gave this here back in 2011, but here goes once more. Might help some one. If you go through this list (providing you know how to “flesh it out” you usually will get the right answer. If you cant, “flesh it out” you may still get close.

    T– trauma
    I–infection
    N– neoplasm
    Cโ€”collagen vascular disease
    Aโ€”auto immune
    N– nutritional
    Bโ€”blood dyscrasia
    E– endocrine
    D–degenerative
    M–metabolic
    Iโ€”iatrogenic, i.e the doctor caused it!
    D– forgot this one
    Iโ€”idiopathic, I,e profession does not have a clue


  29. So my friend told me that an elderly neighbour was recently diagnosed as having the virus
    The friend said that what they knew of the elderly lady that having in the past months having family members from america who had visited the lady
    The friend said they tried relating that information to officials but they did not want to listen
    Friend said that after the lady family members had returned to america a member was tested positive and was placed in isolation
    My comment lends itself to govt officials who would rather chose a dangerous path through ignorance and idle pretense


  30. I stick to simple facts so don’t need to lie.

    As old time Bajans always said, the hardest thing is to know.

    Most people nowadays don’t like doing difficult thinking and choose to remain ignorant.

    Me, I like the challenge of understanding things and sharing my understanding with others.

  31. Freedom Crier Avatar
    Freedom Crier

    CRITICAL THINKERS…BOOM REVELATIONS GET BIGGER AS WE GO ALONG.


  32. Mariposa, re. your post at 3:31 pm

    Was the positive case diagnosed after the neighbours spoke with the MOH team or before?
    Did the lady who tested positive go to the testing site on her own steam? or did they find her as a result of contact testing?
    Were they 2 positive tests; the lady you first referred to and one of her family members?


  33. JOHN
    YOU DONT HAVE TO EXPLAIN NUTTIN TO NOBODY
    SAY WUH YOU HAVE FEH SEH WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE
    LET THEM TINK THAT YOU STUPID.
    UNLESS YOU ARE BIDEN-ISH. A BARBADOS SCHOLAR CANT BE STUPID.
    IF YOU WERE A DUMMY LIKE THE REST THEY WOULD ACCEPT YOU BETTER , CAUSE YOU WOULD BE OPERATING AT THEIR LEVEL.

    COME DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND TALK SOME RUBBISH AND RUN THEM RAGGED! MEK DEM HATE AND ACT OUT IN RAGE IN THEIR TDS! IT IS A SOURCE OF MIRTH TO WATCH THEM RANT AND RAGE!


  34. There you have it, advice from a Barbados scholar.

    Steuspe


  35. EXACTLY! CANT CHANGE THAT! CANT CHANGE MY CONTRIBUTION TO BARBADOS EITHER! MAN THE GREAT USA CANT SEEM TO ACHIEVE WHAT I DID IN BIM AND WHAT AT LEAST ST LUCIA HAS COPIED!

    I HAVE ONE REGRET! THAT IS I DIDNT TAKE UP ANOTHER SCHOLARSHIP OFFERED TO DO MPH AND MSc in GERONTOLOGY OR MICROBIOLOGY AT THE STATES EXPENSE. BUT I FIGURED THAT TWO DEGREES WAS ENOUGH.

  36. Freedom Crier Avatar
    Freedom Crier

    Barbados Czar: โ€œAssume everyone has COVID-19โ€

    The Covid Czar is correct in terms of how you can get the Disease but he wants Barbadians to be Enemies of Each otherโ€ฆPersonally he looks like he watches to many Zombie Movies and wants us to view everybody as a Zombie coming to get you! As for being the Zombie Czar, he would have to know that Stress Reduces our Immune Systems and that many have contacted the Zombie Sickness and did not even know they had it. Half of the Deaths in New York, the Epicenter in the US were the Elderly in Nursing Homes and it has just been discovered that equally half of the Covid Deaths in California have also been in Nursing Home, and 90% of the other Deaths are from Immune Compromised Persons.Also over 20% of the Population have had Covidโ€ฆ

    Therefore, Mr. Zombie Czar, STOP MAKING ZOMBIE ENEMIES OF OUR NEIGHBOURS. I am sure when you Check the Covid Statistics more than three times the amount of people have died from other Causes other than the Flu. Even the Little Baby has Fully Recovered. Instead of you telling them how to Build their Immune Systems,(Natural Defense) by Eat Healthy, Exercising in the in Sunlight in Open Air and go to the Beach and get some Vitimin D and some Vitamin Sea, you are Instilling the Zombie fear in them, Further Stressing them out by (Suppressing their Immune System). They canโ€™t go to the Supermarket as they like, and in the supermarket they are telling us donโ€™t buy much, leave some for the next personโ€ฆ Donโ€™t go outside to Exercise, if you go to the Beach you have to run home by 9am before you can get the Vitamin D.

    With you Advising Bajans to do Everything Opposite to what we should be doing, no wonder your Title is the Zombie Czar!

    http://www.loopnewsbarbados.com/content/barbados-czar-assume-everyone-has-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR0pdfEtE8n-GeRXpBkki9zFLbKXhAEgl2W6gywYgRgBQH0P_xUdjqGVVts

    https://loopnewslive.blob.core.windows.net/liveimage/sites/default/files/2020-05/XZjQwppX2q.jpg


  37. Absolutely no need to rant and “rage”! No need for John to explain his love of alternative facts.

    Because I too can say what I like and laugh.

    PS. As I said quite clearly, I don’t think John is stupid. I think he is a liar.


  38. Come down to my level indeed! When you and Donald Trump are of the same mind there is no lower level.


  39. i wont listen to your silly song because I dont have time except for a certain type of music

    but what is Chlorox but hypochlorite?
    what does hypochlorite dissociate too?

    we wont know what a teaspoonful of Chlorox can do….till we submit it to clinical trials at different doses

    maybe it is a good antioxidant, who knows?
    dont we take Chlorine in in our water as chloride?

    is not the chloride ion a major player in several metabolic processes in the body such as the firing of muscles and nerves
    how many drug preparations are available as the chloride of some salt? what do these drugs dissociate to?

    why is it that people make an ass of them selves because illiterates in the mainstream media efflux bovine effluent all day and all night
    how many approved drugs out there are potential poisons and have very low safety margins because they have low therapeutiic indices

    have folk involved in this bovine excrement heard about lithium or digitalis
    watch now as the BU illiterates come to challenge what I have said
    watch them google looking for rubbish that they dont understand

    the BU IS BARE MOCK SPORT


  40. RE When you and Donald Trump are of the same mind there is no lower level.

    DONALD TRUMP IS POTUS……..HE HAS NOT DONE BADLY AT ALL FOR HIMSELF OR HIS FAMILY
    SEEMS HE IS NOT AT A LOW LEVEL

    I AM AN ISLAND SCHOLAR …….NOT DONE BADLY

    INTERACTED WITH SOME VERY SHARP MINDS AS BOTH A STUDENT AND A TEACHER, AND STILL DO.
    NEVER HAVE BEEN AT A LOW LEVEL

    THEN I COME HERE WHEN BORED AND TO HEAR WHATS GOING ON IN THE LAND OF MY BIRTH


  41. lyallsmallMay 9, 2020 6:42 PM

    Mariposa, re. your post at 3:31 pm

    Was the positive case diagnosed after the neighbours spoke with the MOH team or before?
    Xxxxxxxxxcx
    My friend did not say .after or before
    What my friend told me could have fall into both categories 1. Which means my friend would have spoken to the elderly lady while she was contaminated or could have been notified by the officials looking for information
    No clarity was given to the question u asked

    Did the lady who tested positive go to the testing site on her own steam? or did they find her as a result of contact testing?
    Xxxxxx
    Friend did not say
    Xxcccccc

    Were they 2 positive tests; the lady you first referred to and one of her family
    Xxxxxxcxx
    Yes
    One was a family member who had visited her and was tested positive on their return to america


  42. RE When you and Donald Trump are of the same mind there is no lower level.

    DONALD IS AT A VERY LOW LEVEL AND CAN STILL DEFEAT ALL THE SCUM AND SLIME FROM THE SHITBAMA REGIME AND HIS MINIONS
    HE CRUSHED HILARY DESPITE THE DOSSIER
    HE HAS PREVAILED AGAINST PELOUSY SCHUMER SHITT NADDLUH THE FATMAN AND A WHOLE SET OF DUMBOCRATS
    HE PREVAILED AGAINST MULLING MULLER AND HIS PITBULLS

    HE IS DOING WELL FOR A LOW LEVEL FELLOW
    HE IS DOING VERY WELL


  43. To do STEM requires you deal in facts.

    It isn’t only the math and science that run most people to the softer sciences.

    So, it looks like we consume disinfectant every time we drink water – simple fact!!

    A person that doesn’t have a STEM background is incapable of dealing with facts โ€ฆ math and science too!!

    They can only make fools of themselves.

    Cuomo for example is the supreme idiot incapable of comprehending simple facts about how even UV light can disinfect!!

    There are numerous lesser idiots around as well.

    All the monkeys aren’t in a zoo, on a day we met quite a few!!


  44. “Clorox” in very small doses is prescribed for dogs who have parvo infection and is quite effective early on. Light therapy is used to treat jaundice in newborns. Chemotherapy and radiotherapy are used to kill cancer cells. These things I know. “A” level Chemistry and Biology and “O” level Physics are all that is needed to be able to follow the basics. Not rocket science yet!

    These are not new ideas and if they were applicable in these circumstances they would already have been tried.

    And that, dear GP was my point. The medical illiterate thought that HE could come up with an idea that the experts would not have thought of on their own.

    PS. All Trump’s election proves is that America is full of half wits, racists and partisans. And sometimes all it takes to win is to be willing to hit below the belt. That wins when the referee is a bad or biased.

    If that is your definition of doing well then carry on! It is not mine. Doing well means doing GOOD in my book.

    PS. And to show you that I am not like you I’ll say that I don’t like Hilary and I am not overly impressed by Pelosi or Biden. And in fact, I believe Biden now has a case to answer since a paper trail of the sexual harassment claim is now being unearthed. MSNBC and CNN are not covering it half as much as they should be.

    And finally, Obama did some stuff of which I did not approve. Libya was one of them.

    The day I cease to be fair and balanced I hope I drop dead. For then I would be a person I despise!


  45. Correction – That wins when a referee is bad or biased. It does not mean you are a good boxer.


  46. Who the hell does not know that UV light can disinfect????????? A virus and a bacterium are living creatures.

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