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No words can describe the horror of learning this week that ‘intelligent’ Barbados Water Authority (BWA) workers proceeded to destroy 50% of a historical site while doing excavation work at Fort George Heights. The callousness of thinking and ignorance appeared to know no bounds.

The following was extracted from Grenville Phillips II Facebook page – BU, Blogmaster

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Approximately one week ago, I learnt of a magnificent coral-stone structure found at Fort George Heights. It reportedly had 26 beautiful arches, and a series of coral-stone masonry arched roofs approximately 12 ft high.

This seemed to be a rare find. These were not the typical decorative archways. Rather, these were structural unreinforced arches out of coral-stone masonry. I could not believe Barbados’ good fortune.

We have lost the art of stone masonry. But here we had an almost perfect example of highly complex coral-stone masonry. It is more complex than our Parliament buildings, which are simple walls.

I am unaware of a similar series of coral-stone arched roofs on any structure on this planet. It is a unique and priceless international historical treasure.

Last week, the Barbados Water Authority (BWA) destroyed approximately half of this wonderful structure, before the Barbados National Trust got them to realise the horrific blunder they were making. To their credit, the BWA stopped the demolition.

The next obvious steps were to: prepare as-built drawings of the structure, do a structural condition survey, and manage this priceless treasure on behalf of all humanity.

The structure had survived gravity and lateral loads, so I planned to visit the site today to check whether there were any cracks in the blocks or mortar joints. There are so many scientific papers that could be published on this most important find – perhaps the ninth wonder of the world.

I had heard a rumour that the Government demanded that the remaining structure be demolished. I dismissed it as fake news, because no one could be that stupid.

As I made my way up Fort George hill, I was overcome with excitement at the anticipation of examining the beautiful unreinforced stone arches – the only such arches on this Earth (to my knowledge). However, when I approached the site, all I saw was rubble. The Contractor had completely demolished every single arch. I was overcome with a different emotion – anger.

How could we. How could we be so stupid. We have demonstrated that of all of the people who came from Adam, that we are the most … stupid. It is not thought possible that such stupidity could reside in humans, but we proved otherwise.

The BWA Board and CEO should resign immediately. All 30 MPs and all senators should resign in shame and disgrace – tonight. Everyone who knew about the lunatic decision to demolish this priceless international treasure, should be taken to Jenkins for a psychiatric examination. How could they?

This is no low order idiocy. This is idiocy of the highest order. They are worse than ISIS. ISIS uses Islam to justify destroying world treasures. We have no such excuse. If we cannot be trusted with this priceless treasure, the only one left on this planet, then what can we be trusted with? How could we be so blasted stupid? Good grief!

 

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143 responses to “Fort George Horror”

  1. Jameel Frolic Avatar
    Jameel Frolic

    @Grenville

    You are a coward. Why not call out the two Bajan contractors who carried out the destruction?

  2. Freedom Crier Avatar
    Freedom Crier

    THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL, THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE ARE MEANINGLESS WITH THIS GOVERNMENT!! A HIT JOB, ‘COMPLETE DESTRUCTION DESPITE PUBLIC OUTCRY

    The BWA had a Mission to Destroy the Edifice before Anybody knew about the Demolition… If it were not for Andrea Williams who is a Photographer and who lives in the Fort George Neighbourhood, they would have done this Total Absurdity and no one would have been any the wiser…People knew of its existence including Hikers who used to go into the Cistern. Absolute LAWLESSNESS!!

    Our Son and his friends used to take an inflatable Raft into this Cistern in their Youth. There was a Concrete Pad with a hole in the top that allowed entrance into this Architectural Marvel. “When a news team visited the area a number of bats were seen hanging from the inside while some sections of the structure had graffiti.” So how could it have been that nobody knew it was there? THE GRAFFITI ON THE WALL IS MODERN, WHICH TELLS THAT THIS WAS NOT AN UNKNOWN PLACE!

    IT IS ONLY LOGICAL THAT BWA HAD TO HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE STRUCTURE HOWEVER, SOMEONE WAS DETERMINED TO HAVE HIS OR HER WAY IN ITS DEMISE…

    https://www.facebook.com/BarbadosNationalTrust/photos/pcb.2466950480040215/2466909183377678/?type=3&theater

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    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10215301283144839&set=p.10215301283144839&type=3&theater

  3. Freedom Crier Avatar
    Freedom Crier

    THE BIG QUESTION IS… WHO WILL BE ANSWERABLE????

    WHERE IS SIR HENRY FRASER AND DR CARL WATSON NOW? WHY ARE THEY SUDDENLY SILENT? BEFORE THEIR VOICES WERE LOUD AND CLEAR…THE HISTORIANS WANTED TO PRESERVE WHAT IS LEFT OF IT…. “With about 50 per cent of the structure already destroyed, Sir Henry Fraser and Dr Karl Watson have called on authorities to preserve what is left of it.

    Watson, who is a past president of the Trust, described the “historic 19th century water storage underground facility” as beautiful.

    Insisting that what remained of the structure should be preserved, Watson suggested that it could be used to tell a part of the island’s rich history.

    “People would love to go and see it. You could have dinners in it. You could have concerts in it. You could think of many things to do. You have to,” he said.

    The historian said it was the site where “the planned Fort George started but was then abandoned”.

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  4. Wily Coyote Avatar
    Wily Coyote

    Just the latest example of black Bajan mentality trying to expunge white colonial slave history.

    No wonder Barbados is a FAILED STATE.

  5. Freedom Crier Avatar
    Freedom Crier

    RE…Jameel Frolic August 31, 2019 6:29 PM

    The Contractors would have seen the Authorization to DESTROY and REMOVE THE STRUCTURE. And what Mr.Frolic (Vomit) is saying is that the people that did the bidding of the Nazi Party, the ordinary Solder on the Street, the man that Drove the Train Cars, the man who lit the Ovens and such like are to Blame, Not the Generals and the Big Boy Himself. That is a Master Stroke of Deception, when Mr.Vomit wants to say “Blame the Small man Big Man Walk Free.”

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  6. WURA-WAR-on-U Avatar
    WURA-WAR-on-U

    It should have been kept not only for the thing of beauty it was, but the mere fact that it was BUILT BY AFRICAN SLAVES…and their descendants…

    …..and when i call these monkey suited fools.. IGNORANT…they want to climb all up inside their feelings…steuppsss.

  7. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Freedom Crier

    Have to agree with you. You just don’t excavate a property without carrying out the necessary research. Who did the original research before ordering the excavation? How could they miss this structure ?
    If the authorities were informed of the structure the persons who gave the permission to go ahead should be held responsible.
    Let transparency prevail and give the public a full report on how this travesty occurred.

  8. John Avatar
    John

    Fort George was the place of last resistance in case the French invaded.

    It was to have been built when the British Army was first here, after 1780 I would guess.

    Fort George was supposed to have been the place the population retreated into.

    Not as grand as Masada, but same principle.

    Obviously, water was the prime concern as once locked in the to be built Fort, people needed a water supply.

    That’s probably why the cistern is so large, the water had to last till help arrived by sea.

    We can see a responsible Government of the day making provision for its people where water was concerned.

    These jokers today could learn a thing or three from the past!!

    Like moonkey handling gun!!

    The government of the day decided it was too expensive to complete.

    After Nelson destroyed the French fleet at the Battle of the Nile there would probably have been no need for such a redoubt.

    But we can see a government getting its priorities right, first assure water supply.

    Thank heavens for Nelson!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Saved us big bucks!!

  9. John Avatar
    John

    It is inconceivable that the BWA did not know of its existence.

    The tank had to be built and crews would be up there frequently.

  10. John Avatar
    John

    I will read some and see what I can find but I have just jotted down what I remember.

  11. John A Avatar
    John A

    @ John

    Would this have been a functioning system and would the volume it could of held not been greater than the existing tank there now?

  12. David Avatar
    David

    Let us hope the rubble is retrieved from the dump site.

  13. PoorPeacefulandPolite Avatar
    PoorPeacefulandPolite

    Barbadians will have to feel more pain before we appreciate the fragility of our economy. Guyana, Jamaica and Trinidad are onto their 2nd generation of recession despite their size and industrial diversification. How can we tolerate such destruction of assets. Heads MUST roll !!

  14. David Avatar
    David

    Would love to interview the driver of the excavator.

  15. John Avatar
    John

    UNESCO will love to hear about this one!!

    Fort George was the intended first location for the garrisoning of British troops before lands for the Garrison were acquired.

    In pitching the case for making the Garrison a World Heritage site UNESCO came to know about the history of Fort George!!

    Google 1780 “fort george” fortification Barbados and read the pdf report by UNESCO on Barbados – World Heritage Centre.

    Fort George seems to be a part of the World Heritage Site!!!

    It predates the Garrison.

    Here is an extract from the report.

    “The need for a permanent major garrison in Barbados was born out of conflict between Britain and France in 1778 by France’s allegiance with the USA during the War of Independence. Work on a 14 acre (5.7 ha) citadel at Fort George commenced in 1779 with troops being sent out in 1780 as a result of the capture, by the French, of several neighbouring British islands.

    The troops were initially located in areas in Bridgetown until temporary barracks were built, in 1783, in what is now Queens Park. With the immediate threat of invasion removed, on cessation of the American War of Independence in 1783, troop numbers were drastically reduced and construction of the citadel at Fort George abandoned. Nevertheless, the British Government, concerned with the future security of the islands, in 1785, decided to establish permanent land forces in the Windward & Leeward Islands with Barbados as the headquarters.

    The area surrounding Charles Fort and St. Ann’s Castle was chosen. Final plans were drawn up in 1789 for a grand scale fortress of approximately 8ha, within which St. Ann’s and many of the new buildings would be contained. The first purchases of land by the Crown occurred during 1789 and 1790, totalling approximately 26.1ha. The first period of construction, of the new Garrison, began immediately and lasted about three years.

    The war, being fought on both sides of the Atlantic, had drained British resources in the Caribbean where they were challenged to maintain large numbers of European troops due to the high mortality rates caused by yellow fever and malaria. In 1795, the British Government approved the recruitment of slaves and, along with Jamaica, the Barbados Garrison provided one of the main bases for the formation of the ‘West India Regiments’.

    The first seven ‘West India Regiments’ were raised in 1795, with the numbers rising to twelve by 1798. Between
    1798 and 1806, an estimated 6,376 slaves were bought by the army for these regiments; making the British Army
    the largest slave trader in the West Indies.

    Between 1808 and 1814 new lands were acquired, bringing the total area of the main Garrison site up to about 65.56 ha. The Garrison was now capable of stationing 2,700 men and, with the end of the Napoleonic Wars in 1815, about to enter a period of stabilization.”

  16. John Avatar
    John

    So, if the GOB knew about the Heritage value of Fort George who jackass came up with this plan?

  17. robert lucas Avatar
    robert lucas

    @ John August 31, 2019 7:04 PM

    A nice post. Insightful, especially you explanation for the size of the cistern.

    @ William Skinner August 31, 2019 7:01 PM

    Concur with your comments.
    There was a beautiful pink-painted four gable wooden house on the site where there is now a monstrous insurance building in George Street. A building displaying the craftsmanship of old Barbadian carpenters. There were intricate carving of the wood works( the trimmings were white ginger bread carvings) which were done by hand. A building by all rights that should have been protected. It was in first class shape. I would pass and observed it on my way to the second-hand book shop. It was bulldozed down to make way for(Doolittle) or some such sounding name. At the time I said to myself what a shame, since there was no hue and cry over the matter in the press. .

  18. John Avatar
    John

    John A
    August 31, 2019 7:46 PM

    @ John
    Would this have been a functioning system and would the volume it could of held not been greater than the existing tank there now?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    You ask me a good one because I seem to remember being told that the WWD had built a reservoir long before the tank was constructed.

    I looked at 1951 1:10,000 sheet of Fort George and see there was a reservoir there.

    It looks to have been pretty close to the current tank.

    I am pretty sure now that WWD would have used the site for a reservoir after water under the Belle was “discovered” in the 1920’s.

    The tank must have replaced it.

  19. John Avatar
    John

    I see Sir COW was on the job, moving the earth to please!!

  20. John A Avatar
    John A

    @ John

    So if that was the case the BWA would of had knowledge in their archives of the existence of this system going back to roughly 1920?

  21. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Dr. Lucas
    Thanks for the compliment.
    There is a reason why Hal Austin’s position that we are a failed state is now being embraced by others on BU.
    While I don’t support his position, I fully understand why he says it . There is no accountability in this place at all. We are elevating inferiority at all stages. Declaring people as brilliant; praising warm over soup as new policy and blaming citizens for the obvious stupidity and ignorance of the political class and the unpatriotic traditional corporate sector.
    Given the opportunity, this would probably lead to the socio economic excavation of the entire island.

  22. TheOgazerts Avatar
    TheOgazerts

    @Wily,
    I doubt this is about “expunging white colonial slave history”.

    Let’s call it what it is…. ignorance.

  23. John Avatar
    John

    I can see the first reservoir WWD built on the 1951 aerial photo.

    The 1981 1:10,000 map sheet shows the footprint of the cylindrical tank and what I take to be the original WWD reservoir.

    In footprint size, the steel tank is about 6 times the size of what may have been the original WWD reservoir.

    It is obviously much taller so the tank was an upgrade to the WWD reservoir …. guessing early to mid 70’s.

    Seem to remember it was built when I was at school.

    Can’t tell how big the cistern is/was from the aerial or map as it was underground.

  24. John Avatar
    John

    John A
    August 31, 2019 8:18 PM

    @ John
    So if that was the case the BWA would of had knowledge in their archives of the existence of this system going back to roughly 1920?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Once there was a reservoir there before the steel tank, WWD would know all about the cistern dating back possibly to the 1920’s.

    With the building of the steel tank, BWA would know.

    If Freedom Crier’s son used to paddle about inside and I been in and the Sunday hikers know about it, no purpose is served by claiming ignorance of its existence.

  25. John Avatar
    John

    This is willful destruction.

  26. John A Avatar
    John A

    @ John

    So if what was said above in that people remember going in there and floating around on a raft, that would imply the structure was sound and holding water.

    I am having a hard time understanding why this structure was not retrofitted and incorporated into the the Fort George reservoir system.

    None of this makes sense when one looks at the facts.

  27. john2 Avatar
    john2

    I am not in the island and would like a second verification that what GP2 said about the complete destruction is true.

  28. John Avatar
    John

    John A
    August 31, 2019 9:06 PM

    @ John
    So if what was said above in that people remember going in there and floating around on a raft, that would imply the structure was sound and holding water.
    I am having a hard time understanding why this structure was not retrofitted and incorporated into the the Fort George reservoir system.
    None of this makes sense when one looks at the facts.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The cistern could have been the magazine and not intended to hold water at all!!

    Today we see water so we associate it with a reservoir of some type,

    There was a well sunk to supply water 20 fathoms or about 120 feet deep.

    Probably hit a stream under ground because oceanics are probably at twice that depth.

    That area is full of caves underground so streams are likely without going all he way to oceanics.

    Signaling was used long before the 1816 slave uprising … PLT … you there?

    From Schomburgk.

    “In the King’s Library at the British Museum, is a plan of Fort George on Mount Charity in Barbados, by Thomas Walker, Lieutenant of the 65th Regiment, dated February 9th, 1782, and dedicated to Major-General Cunninghame. A part of the
    fortifications were then finished, and the grand bastion bad been commenced and was at that time seven feet high (it was intended to be twenty-two feet in height).

    The Governor’s house and a large magazine were built. The pillar for the flagstaff then erecting was to be fourteen feet high, and by seeing all the horizon to windward, speedy alarms could be raised and signals conveyed.

    A well for the supply of water had been sunk twenty fathoms.

    The fort when finished was to be mounted with twenty-two pieces of cannon, besides others which were intended to be put on the top of the hill. At that time six brass and five iron twenty-four pounders, two iron eighteen-pounders, two brass and two iron twelve-pounders, making in all eighteen guns, had been got up.

    The fort is nearly central between Bridgetown and Oistin’s, and fourteen acres of ground belong to it.

    This piece of folly, which cost the country enormous sums, lies now in ruins.”

  29. John A Avatar
    John A

    Sad happening for sure

  30. Dame Bajans Avatar
    Dame Bajans

    Just imagine the money that could have been made as a tourist attraction with guides outlining the history of the fort and the ramparts below ground.

  31. John Avatar
    John

    I figure that was the completed gunpowder magazine for the fort that they dug up.

    Water was to have been supplied by a well.

    Next time you are getting gas at Mapp Hill just under Fort George, look at the excavations that were necessary to build foundations.

    I reckon that was brought about because of caves underground and close to the surface.

    As you leave the gas station and drive down between the cutting in the rock look at the horizontal indentations in the rock … sea level once was there and fresh water floated on top.

    It was acidic and ate out the coral making it soft marl.

    The elevation at the gas station is 260 feet and Fort George is 390+ feet, about 130 feet.

    The well at 20 fathoms/120 feet would be hitting caves as I was suggesting and probably hitting an underground stream.

    Those old people had real sense!!

    Getting the water up would have probably been a bucket and rope affair in 1780!!

  32. John Avatar
    John

    Some of the folks at Lower Birneys and its environs are possibly sitting atop caves!!

    Marl holes are a sure sign and there is one in Dash Vally and one below South District!!

  33. John Avatar
    John

    …. some parts of Fort George too!!

  34. nextparty246 Avatar
    nextparty246

    It seems that the order has gone out to deceive Barbadians that this was a recently (20th century) built cistern (water storage tank) of no historical interest. We are also being told that the choice was either clean reliable water, or some useless stones. Therefore, its destruction is not even newsworthy.

    We know that the place was a fort, to defend the island against an expected French invasion. In “The History of Barbados”, published in 1848, Schomburgk records the following.

    “The Legislature passed a Bill on the 26th of July 1779, voting £14,000 towards the defence of the island. Fort George, on a hill previously called Mount Charity … was soon afterwards commenced, and it was to serve as a general depot in case of an invasion”.

    Therefore, it does not appear to have been designed to be a cistern. Rather, an underground strong and durable military building, to be accessed by soldiers, to store materials. Further, rather than being built in the last century, it appears to be over 230 years old.

    It seems that the underground building was later used to store water by the then water works department (precursor to the BWA). However, it leaked – since it was not likely designed for that purpose.

    Now to the fear-claim that our only choices were clean water or useless stones. The proposed water tank can easily be built nearby without any noticeable change in the quality or delivery of water. However, the priceless underground building could not.

    While other countries can boast of their relatively simple stone masonry walls, and brick masonry arches, we had coral stone arches – made, not of small stones, but about 2 ft long and about 12″ thick stones, massive stones.

    We had not only one, but a series of them. An invaluable find. Then someone, of the highest order, decided that we were unworthy of such a priceless treasure.

    Our fore-parents were excellent crafts-persons who built the most durable structures. But that is an inconvenient truth. So their legacy, from the slave huts to this marvel of the world, must be destroyed. We are to believe that our fore-parents were just a bunch of mindless former slaves, whose only singular historical accomplishment was to riot – twice.

  35. Tron Avatar
    Tron

    We should resist the usual racist prejudices that the black masses do not care about their history.

    It is true that the builders are white Massa. It is also true that here not only the heritage of the slave owners, but also the struggle of General Bussa and his crew for freedom is destroyed. Those who destroy monuments of the past also destroy the memory of the slave liberation. And unfortunately it is also true that the black masses currently have too little to eat to afford the luxury of a reflection of their history.

    How far should the profit-seeking of a small upper class go to destroy the environment in favour of a tourism industry that brings nothing but low wages?

  36. TheOGazerts Avatar
    TheOGazerts

    “I am not in the island and would like a second verification that what GP2 said about the complete destruction is true.”

    I am here waiting also.
    It is unbelievable.

  37. David Avatar
    David

    @John2

    This matter was reported on in the traditional media not so? What more do you want to hear?

  38. Kammie Holder Avatar
    Kammie Holder

    I agree with the tone and content of this article. We visit the a Great Wall of China and ruins all over the world while holding on to the belief that sea and sand are exclusive to Barbados. Is this the same GOB that spoke of the need for new tourism attractions?

    What GOB should have pushed is homes having water storage and retrofitting of homes to stop using expensive potable water to flush toilets. Every year we allow all the torrential rain to flow freely into the sea in the abundance of disused quarries. Most of the plantation wells that once fed the aquifers are no more thanks to building developments. Who is thinking and the sustainable vision in 2019?

    I have lost much hope in our leaders who seem to lack real long term sustainable thinking abilities to solve our problems. Everything seem as short term fixes lacking critical thinking. Just fed up about the indifference to real change and prefer to sit by and watch for its best to allow the ship to sink and save your self for its sometimes the only way to have renewal and people commitment

  39. David Avatar
    David

    @Kammie Holder

    People fighting a just cause do not lose hope.

  40. John Avatar
    John

    If the BWA planning on building a monstrous reservoir on top Fort George out of concrete (Preconco should be smiling) they better do some serious GPR and other studies of what is under there in the way of caves!!!!

    When they fill it with water there may be some major movements and the new reservoir may be useless!!

    Water is heavy and millions of gallons of water will be veeeeery heavy!!

    Like when the Chinese build Three Gorges Dam and triggered massive earthquakes!!

    I guess COW could dig out all the soft marl and voids but the height advantage would be destroyed.

    Who wants a reservoir below their elevation when we have a gravity fed water distribution system!!

    That 20 fathom well everybody missed is the evidence for caves and the topography of the land around screams Karst!!

  41. SirFuzzy (Former Sheep) Avatar
    SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    Did we just destroy a potential new tourist attraction? A place that could have added another place of interest and reason to visit BIMshire?

    Maybe not all of us are playing on the same tourism team or maybe team Barbados?

    Just asking.

  42. David Avatar
    David

    @sirFuzzy

    The destruction was partial.

  43. SirFuzzy (Former Sheep) Avatar
    SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    @ David September 1, 2019 7:15 AM

    what percentage remains intact?

  44. Freedom Crier Avatar
    Freedom Crier

    FORT GEORGE, ON A HILL PREVIOUSLY CALLED MOUNT CHARITY

    nextparty246
    September 1, 2019 12:53 AM

    “The Legislature passed a Bill on the 26th of July 1779, voting £14,000 towards the defence of the island. Fort George, on a hill previously called Mount Charity … was soon afterwards commenced, and it was to serve as a general depot in case of an invasion”.

    Therefore, it does not appear to have been designed to be a cistern. Rather, an underground strong and durable military building, to be accessed by soldiers, to store materials. Further, rather than being built in the last century, it appears to be over 230 years old.”…

    NOW, TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY… “The new reservoir, which is to be located next to the existing Fort George Tank”.

    What is Aesthetically Displeasing is that Large Water Tank that commands one of the Best Views of the Island can be seen from miles around, soon to be Replaced by an even Bigger Structure. While on the other hand the Huge Historical Edifice that was Constructed and was done so that it was unnoticeable and became one with the Landscape.

    THERE IS A GIGANTIC HOLE IN THE SAME FORT GEORGE AREA A STONE THROW AWAY FROM THE TANK, it maybe the Remanent of a past Quarry could not the New Tank be placed in that Excavated old Quarry? IT IS CERTAINLY BIG ENOUGH, THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANOTHER TANK VIEWED FROM ALL PARTS OF THE ISLAND AND THE AESTHETIC WOULD BE FAR MORE PLEASING.

    GP 11, Could you have a Sway with other Team of Structural Engineers in this area I Recommended about Relocating the Tank, instead of yet another Eye Sore commanding one of the Best Views on the Island?

    In Addition, the Site that has been INTENTIONALLY DESECRATED Should made into a Park where Visitors cans Still Go and Tour Guides Given the Historical Content of what is being Revealed here by John and GP11 to talk about the History of the Area. WHAT SAY YOU SIR HENRY FRASER AND DR CARL WATSON?

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10215301285784905&set=p.10215301285784905&type=3&theater

  45. John Avatar
    John

    If they building a large reservoir it is or will be total!!

  46. David Avatar
    David

    @sirFuzzy

    Will leave that question to Grenville et at. The BU picture gallery was updated with photos taken from Grenville’s Facebook.

  47. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    Maybe if this site was used as a place of refuge for squatters it would not have faced the awful demolition of bulldozing
    Remember commo sense policies are only built on humanatarian rights
    The term historical does not fits into their mindset of doing things that lends itself to good goverence

  48. David Avatar
    David

    It was only a matter of time before you found a way to twist this to make it political. If you do not have anything constructive to add read and breathe.

  49. David Avatar
    David

    https://www.facebook.com/andre.williams.503/videos/10215300897495198/

  50. John Avatar
    John

    Who would come up with the name Mount Charity?

    Quakers!!

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