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The notion that lawyers, and especially judges, know everything is doubtless premised on the variety of determinations the profession is obliged to make as part of its diurnal routine. Is a medical doctor liable for negligence? Did a Minister exercise his or her discretion properly? Did an accused intend to murder the deceased? These are but a few of the decisions that are matters of law and whose answers lie exclusively within the realm of legal theory. Of course, in some matters, a court will be assisted by expert evidence, especially when determining matters that depend on the practice of a particular profession. For instance, medical negligence will be found where the doctor fails to act in accordance with an accepted responsible body of medical practice. What constitutes such is a matter of evidence from a medical expert in the particular area in issue.

A similar determination arose this week in the Caribbean Court of Justice, where, as the highest court in the Guyanese legal system, it was called upon to pronounce on a number of issues concerning the law of governance in that jurisdiction. These arose out of the infamous no confidence motion brought by the parliamentary opposition against the governing coalition administration. I say infamous because it may be recalled that one member of the governing coalition parliamentary group chose to vote against his side and therefore to carry the Opposition motion by a tally of 33 votes to 32.

These matters managed to present a number of legal issues for the Court’s determination; among them, whether there was a difference between a no confidence motion that was not expressly provided for in the Constitution and a motion of confidence that was so provided? What constitutes the majority necessary for the passage of a no-confidence motion and whether the Court had jurisdiction to inquire into the issue of Mr Persaud’s [the MP who voted with the Opposition motion] qualification to be a member of the National Assembly.

Of these issues, I found the first to be the most intriguing and I have written in another capacity more times than one on the very point. The matter became a legal issue because the legal advisors to the governing administration were of the view that first, there was a difference between an absolute majority and a simple majority; and that 33 votes could not constitute a majority in a 65 member Parliament because a majority was half of the total plus one and, since there could not be 0.5 of a vote, half of 65 had to be rounded up to 33 and the added one would give a total of 34. Too besides, they argued further, since 33 was already a majority of 64 members, it could not also be the majority of 65, a grater number. Of course, this assertion took no notice of the reality that 34 was also the majority of 66, itself a greater number than 65.

I argued in one of my writings on the subject last year, relying on the learning in Robert’s Rules of Order that the use of the formula half-plus-one to constitute a majority is apt to cause problems. According to the text, “Suppose in voting on a motion 17 votes are cast. 9 in favor and 8 opposed. Fifty percent of the votes cast is 81/2 so that 50 percent plus one would be 91/3. Under such an erroneous definition of a majority, one might say that the motion was not adopted because it did not receive 50 percent plus one of the voted cast although it was, quite clearly, passed by a majority vote”.

A similar argument appeared to find favour with President Saunders who drew on his judicial experience of what constitutes a majority judgment.

Since the Assembly comprises an odd number, there is no need to imply into the Constitution any formula for defining a majority as being ‘half plus one’. Indeed, as an American judge noted,12 the 50% plus one ruleleads to illogical results when it is applied to odd numbers. So, for example, it is trite that when a Court of Appeal sits as a panel of three, a majority decision is 2:1. The Chief Justice was therefore right when she adjudged that a majority from among 65 members is a minimum of 33.”

It bears remarking that the learned Chief Justice of Guyana had also reasoned likewise although she appeared to base her determination on an obverse application of the golden rule by positing if Persaud had voted against the no-confidence motion, the government would have accepted that the vote count of 33 is the majority of all elected members”.

In support of their argument, the lawyers for the governing administration had cited two authorities from Commonwealth jurisdictions. The CCJ found neither useful. As for the first, from Vanuatu, it related to a circumstance where an even number of members constituted the parliament.

Kilman was a case where the Vanuatu parliament consisted of 52 members. Only 51 voted on a particular motion that required an absolute majority. The result of the vote was 26:25. It was in this context that the court said as is stated above. Twenty-six votes could not carry the motion because what was needed was a majority of 52 and since 52 was an even number, in that specific context that majority could only be obtained via the formula of half the Members of Parliament plus one.

The second authority from Anguilla was also easily distinguished-

In that case the question concerned the number of members necessary to constitute a quorum. The Assembly comprised 11 members. The quorum requirement was two-thirds. Mathematically, two-thirds of 11 yields 7.3. The question was whether to constitute the quorum one should round up to 8 or round down to 7 members. The court held that since the concept of a quorum meant the least number possible for the valid transaction of business, one could not round down to 7 as that number would fall below the mandated quorum of 7.3. One should round up to 8 which would satisfy the quorum condition. Hughes v Rogers, therefore, has no relevance to the question at hand.

To be continued


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307 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Doing Things with Rules”


  1. Local heart specialist Dr Alfred Sparman has hit back hard against allegations made in the United Kingdom Parliament Thursday that a British visitor died on February 13 this year, after failing to receive the best medical care at his clinic.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/06/25/false-accusations/


  2. Robert Goren
    June 25, 2019 11:17 PM

    The parliament was not legal because there was no MP elected by the people to represent the Opposition and by extension the Senate. (Quote)
    David BU
    Come on, don’t be silly, people don’t vote for an opposition. They vote hoping their party members would win and form the government.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    You are correct!!!!

    So the BLP supporters who voted for their party and elected Reverend Joe are no doubt miffed at his apparent volte face!!

    Meanwhile the 10’s of thousands who voted DLP don’t have a voice in Parliament!!


  3. As I said above this is not about the cost of Sparman’s service as likely he is worth every penny charged…rather it is HOW the fees were ALLEGEDLY demanded of a gravely ill, weak 86 year old patient….

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    You need to talk to Brits and how their NHS treats old people!!!


  4. @Robert Goren

    What is silly about summarizing to indicate understanding of Johns contention?

  5. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    “and … it is possible his medical condition precluded travelling by air!!”

    Poor excuse, he had to have stabilized at some point during the 26 days if the timeline is correct…even with his age and weaked immune system, his chances of reaching UK alive was much better and a whole lot less expensive…even with a 9 hour journey. Medivac crew have good reputations.

    Now we hear about surgery, so who operates on a pneumonia patient anyway, knowing that getting rid of all that fluid in the lungs could take many months…unless the procedure was noninvasive.

    …the public hospital ….all of them…is a petri dish of bactetial infections…he would not have made it there either.

  6. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    “rather it is HOW the fees were ALLEGEDLY demanded of a gravely ill, weak 86 year old patient….”

    Look…stop talking shite…

    Did yall not have one of ya wannbes, think he was also a doctor, if i remember correctly, his name was Browne, needed some type of surgery in US…Florida i think….cost around 1/4 million or more US….and he came up short…me thinks he did not make it….not to get the surgery anyway…that was nearly i think 20 years ago,

    Nobody in Barbados owes british people free healthcare…wuh bajans cant go UK and get free healthcare.

    Have seen Sparman’s equipment, pretty impressive, but his office is a clinic, should not have long stay patients…and then there is the reputation….am sure he will sue too.

    A suefest.

  7. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Speaking of BAD REPUTATIONS…

    “Your connection is not private
    Attackers might be trying to steal your information from barbadostoday.bb (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).”

  8. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Sparman’s side of things.

    But Sparman had a different story.

    “To our knowledge, the procedure in respect of cruise passengers is to offer them an option of either a public or private facility. Many patients, including Mr Spencer, chose to be treated at a private facility, rather than the public hospital.

    As a matter of fact, Mr Spencer’s son Mr John Spencer, stated unequivocally he does not want his father to be transferred to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital when he went over and observed the conditions over there.

    This is entirely a matter of patient choice,” the cardiologist stated.

    He told Barbados TODAY that Spencer remained in his care for ten days.

    “His family, understandably, requested that he be transferred to a British hospital since he is a British citizen and his family all live there. The appropriate arrangements were made by the Sparman Hospital with the receiving hospital and Mr. Spencer was taken by air ambulance to England on 28th January, 2019. His condition was stable at that time,” Sparman contended.

    He also reflected further on the patient’s condition when he was admitted to his facility.

    “Mr Spencer, an elderly patient of 86 years, was admitted to our hospital on 18th January, 2019, with pneumonia in both lungs, diabetes, prostate problems and high blood pressure. Pneumonia is a serious condition for any person, but particularly so for an elderly patient with pre-existing conditions. Concomitantly he had a myocardial infarction (heart attack) testing positive for Troponin I (suggesting injury to heart muscle),” he explained.

    Sparman told Barbados TODAY that to date, no complaint has been made to his clinic, either by the Spencer family or by the Barbadian medical authorities.”

  9. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    NOW CAN THE EXCEPTIONAL BU MEDICAL ILLITERATES WHO THINK THEY KNOW ALL BUT KNOW NOTHING DISCUSS THE PROGNOSIS OF THIS MAN ON ADMISSION TO SPARMAN’S CLINIC

    an elderly patient of 86 years,
    with pneumonia in both lungs,
    diabetes,
    high blood pressure.
    myocardial infarction (heart attack) testing positive for Troponin I (suggesting injury to heart muscle),”

    NOTE THAT HE HAD DIABETES
    DIABETES MAKES EVERYTHING ELSE WORSE
    EVERYTHING MAKES DIABETES WORSE

    NOTE DIABETES AND MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION MADE THIS MAN A GREAT CANDIDATE FOR DIABETES KETOACIDOSIS with the formation and accumulation of ketone bodies.

    Because two of the ketone bodies are acids, they can lower the blood pH below 7.4, which is acidosis, a condition that often accompanies ketosis.
    A drop in blood pH can interfere with the ability of the blood to carry oxygen and cause breathing difficulties.
    You can see how this man’s diabetes would make his pneumonia and respiratory function worse, with its concomitant affect on his already failing cardiovascular system.

    WILL THE MORON WHO WAS BLAMING SPARMAN REFUTE ANY OF MY ANALYSIS OF THIS MAN’S PATH-PHYSIOLOGY?

  10. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    GP…we know ya know ya more detailed stuff, ya just so shitty sometimes…lol

    What is glaring is Sparman released him to air ambulance care once he was stabilized, he reached UK ALIVE…..lived for over 2 weeks after that…..which says a lot..


  11. What was the family of this man thinking of letting him travel?

    I don’t believe any of the medical issues listed could have developed out of the blue while he was on the cruise!

    … but, I am not a doctor.

    He had to have a history.

    Maybe he was doing the last item on his bucket list.

    What I don’t like about this is a Member of Parliament using Parliamentary Privilege to berate a private citizen.

    …. O$A used to do it and it was distasteful then!!

    I really hope Parliamentary rules in Britain allow for the MP to be punished if it turns out punishment is indicated.

  12. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    RE As a matter of fact, Mr Spencer’s son Mr John Spencer, stated unequivocally he does not want his father to be transferred to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital when he went over and observed the conditions over there.

    This is entirely a matter of patient choice,” the cardiologist stated.

    WHAT DOES THE ACCOMPLISHED BULLSHITTER HAL ASSTIN SAY NOW?

    LISTEN TO THIS IGNORANT ASS
    so who operates on a pneumonia patient anyway, knowing that getting rid of all that fluid in the lungs could take many months…unless the procedure was noninvasive.

    I PARTICULARLY LIKE THE ASSERTION THAT “getting rid of all that fluid in the lungs could take many months” LOL LOL


  13. @ Georgei Porgie,

    Good morning, hope you have taken your medication. By the way, you speak English fairly well for a Patwa speaker, but I did not say –

    WHAT DOES THE ACCOMPLISHED BULLSHITTER HAL ASSTIN SAY NOW?
    LISTEN TO THIS IGNORANT ASS
    so who operates on a pneumonia patient anyway, knowing that getting rid of all that fluid in the lungs could take many months…unless the procedure was noninvasive.(Quote)

    I am not a medical practitioner, just a patient.

  14. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    See what i mean about you being shitty…GP..

    a relative of mine had walking pneumonia…still quite dangerous, person was a teenager….it took MANY MONTHS to rid those LUNGS OF FLUID….which KEPT BUILDING UP..no matter what they did…

    Deflate ya stupid ass ego for a second and deal with reality…

  15. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    As a matter of fact…that teenager had walking pneumonia FOR MONTHS…before it was diagnosed….AND FOR MONTHS AFTER…until the lungs were FINALLY rid of fluid..,,,,

  16. WURA-War-in-U Avatar

    Ah know ya like to diagnose people without ever meeting them, remember, diagnosing me as needing iron….translation…a man…

    ,,,but dont even try diagnosing this one without a history…if ya know what’s good for ya..

  17. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    what on earth is “walking pneumonia”?

    I WILL ASK ANDERSON & ROBBINS & RUBINS TO INCLUDE THIS DIAGNOSIS IN THEIER NEXT EDITION

    and did this teen ager really have pneumonia per se or was their pleural effusion due to another underlying malady like SLE? tHIS WAS MORE LIKELY AND PROBABLY THE CAUSE

    WHY IS IT THAT YOUR NUMEROUS PHYSICIAN FAMILY EXPERTS ALLOWED THEIR RELATIVE TO SUFFER SO? MONTHS TO MIS-DIAGNOSE PNEUMONIA? REALLY? THATS A REAL TALL TAIL, BUT ENTERTAINING

    HAL AUSTIN
    I DID NOT SAY THAT YOU SAID so who operates on a pneumonia patient anyway, knowing that getting rid of all that fluid in the lungs could take many months…unless the procedure was noninvasive.
    MY REFERENCE WAS TO YOUR RANTS ABOUT LEGAL VS MEDICAL

    I HOPE YOU NOW AGREE WITH THE LORD TO JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT AND NOT BY THE APEEARANCE OR THE HYPE REVEED UP BY A BRITISH MP WHO WAS SPOUTING BULL WITHOUT KNOWING ALL THE FACTS


  18. https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/06/25/stop-frisk-to-fight-crime/

    Most would agree that stop and frisk in the USA did not deliver as promised. Selective stopping and frisking became the order of day.
    It was a failed policy and now we see some calling for it to be adopted in Barbados

    .It would be interesting to see how stop and frisk becomes perverted in Barbados. Since we have an almost homogeneous black population what will be the discriminating factors?

    It would be best if we could try to fashion our own solutions.


  19. Hi Jeff,
    How would stop and frisk work in Barbados.
    Can the police roll up on anyone (with/without cause) and start frisking??

  20. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    THE MOST HILARIOUS AND STUPID STATEMENT ON THIS BLOG ABOUT THIS SAGGA WITH THIS DEPARTED BRIT IS THE RUBBISH PUT OUT MY THE MEDICAL EXPERT THE PEDANTIC PUNK-THE DRIBBLER WHO ASKED

    What treatment did the man need? Do any of us know?

    THATS EASY DUMMY

    FOR An elderly patient of 86 years,
    with pneumonia in both lungs,
    diabetes,
    high blood pressure.
    myocardial infarction (heart attack) testing positive for Troponin I (suggesting injury to heart muscle),”

    YOU TREAT THE
    pneumonia WITH ANTIBIOTICS,
    diabetes, WITH IV FLUIDS INSULIN +/- POTASSIUM
    high blood pressure. WITH APPROPRIATE ANTIHYPERTENSIVES

    BED REST

    WHAT EVER YOU DO …DONT LET IT BECOME A “WALKING PNEUMONIA” what ever dat is

    THE RUM SHOP TOO SWEET THOUGH MURDA


  21. @ George Porgie,

    Can’t understand you. Let’s leave it there.

  22. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Keep talking shite…ya will never know what brought on a most SEVERE CASE OF WALKING PNEUMONIA….and why it lingered for months instead of weeks as it is known to……but ya free to guess….that is what doctors do anyway….ya got all day.

    Suffice to say, that teenager is now a healthy 40 something..


  23. There is such a thing as a “silent heart attack”!

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/the-danger-of-silent-heart-attacks


  24. .. but this is probably a non medical term!!

  25. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @WURA-War-on-U June 26, 2019 4:21 AM “the public hospital…all of them…is a petri dish of bactetial infections…he would not have made it there either.”

    Can bacteria tell the difference between public hospitals and private hospitals?

    Do bacteria recognise national borders? Can bacteria tell the difference between Barbados and the United Kingdom?

    So many questions.

  26. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    pathology professor : list the causes of pneumonias
    student : walking pneumonia
    pathology professor what the hell is that?
    student Sir a walking pneumonia is when a person got pneumonia for months and walk bout wid um
    pathology professor what are the signs of pneumonia
    student; Dry cough Chest Pain When Coughing Nausea Shortness of Breath Low Body Temperature
    Fever Fatigue Aches and Pains Confusion
    TO THE JACK ASS WARU IN PNEUMONIA THE OUTSTANDING FEATURE IS CONSOLIDATION OF THE LUNGS

    BUT I GUESS IN WALKING PNEUMONIAS———WHAT EVER DAT IS CAUSE IT AINT IN DE BOOK– YA CAN GET AN EFFUSION LOL MURDA

    FOR THE MORE SENSIBLE BU READERS HERE ARE THE TEN TOP CAUSES OF A PLEURAL EFFUSION OR FLUID IN THE LUNGS

    Congestive Heart Failure
    Infections
    Kidney Disease
    Autoimmune Disorders
    Cancer
    Hypoalbuminemia
    Trauma
    Pulmonary Embolism
    Cirrhosis
    Open-Heart Surgery Complications

  27. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    John? “and… it is possible his medical condition precluded travelling by air!!”

    @WURA-War-on-U June 26, 2019 4:21 AM “Poor excuse, he had to have stabilized at some point during the 26 days.”

    Sometimes in spite of the very best care a patient doesn’t stabilize, especially if that patient is very old and very sick.

    Sometime the patients die.

    In fact eventually ALL patients die. And it does not matter much whether they have access to first world care or third world care.

    The life expectancy of Bajan men is: 75.91 years. Barbados spends £1018 per person on health care

    The life expectancy of British men is: 80.96 years. The British spend £2,892 per person on health care.

    So it seems to me that if only Barbados would spend almost three times as much the citizens would “enjoy” up to five more years of declining health.

  28. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    RE Can bacteria tell the difference between public hospitals and private hospitals?

    Do bacteria recognise national borders? Can bacteria tell the difference between Barbados and the United Kingdom?

    So many questions.

    YES VERY VERY STUPID QUESTIONS FROM AN IGNORANT WOMAN WHO THINKS SHE KNOWS A LOT
    COME TELL US BOUT HOW YOUR NUMEROUSH SIBLINGS FOUGHT BACTERIA IN Barbados and the United Kingdom ESPECIALLY T PALLIDUM & PARTICULAR COCCI

  29. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    RE The life expectancy of Bajan men is: 75.91 years. Barbados spends £1018 per person on health care

    The life expectancy of British men is: 80.96 years. The British spend £2,892 per person on health care.

    So it seems to me that if only Barbados would spend almost three times as much the citizens would “enjoy” up to five more years of declining health.

    BASICALLY A NONSEQUITUR AND A LOAD OF EPIDEMIOLOGICAL BULLSHIT
    MORONIC MOUTHINGS OF ONE WITH GPI


  30. “what on earth is “walking pneumonia”?”

    Georgie Porgie

    From what I read “walking pneumonia” is an informal term for a milder form of pneumonia caused by a bacterial, fungal or viral infection that affects the lower and upper respiratory tract.

    It is also called “ATYPICAL or MYCOPLASMA pneumonia” because it is usually not as SEVERE as the other types of pneumonia. It does not cause symptoms that require hospitalization or bed rest. Most people are able to carry on with their daily lives……. hence the term “walking.”

    “Walking pneumonia” is often confused with other respiratory conditions including bronchitis, flu and the common cold.

    It was mentioned re: “that teenager had walking pneumonia FOR MONTHS…before it was diagnosed….AND FOR MONTHS AFTER…until the lungs were FINALLY rid of fluid….which KEPT BUILDING UP..no matter what they did…”

    The above comment is NOT TRUE. From what I read, a “building up” of fluid in the lungs is NOT a symptom of “walking pneumonia.”

    Symptoms of “walking pneumonia” include:

    Mild fever
    Sore throat
    Dry cough (lasting more than a week)
    Headaches
    Chills
    Laboured breathing
    Chest pains
    Lost of appetite

    Perhaps one of those several relatives who were doctors before you were born may have diagnosed the continual “building up” of fluid in the teenager’s lungs.

  31. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Theo, stop n frisk was perverted by the various police depts and became a notorious racial profiling, discriminatory affair in US…the simple fact, however, is that it is and has always been a fundamental and legitimate police tactic since as they say ‘Adam was a lad’!

    What is wrong with any PO stopping any person for questioing based on a valid prevailing matter of concern/suspicion or possible infraction?

    Of course the issue is all about stops for no valid reason like in my youth when the cliched stop (without frisk) trope was your tail light is broken…when it wasn’t.

    The discriminatory issues in the US need not intrude here in Bim and as I noted the basic rationale of stopping a citizen has always been there so it’s not about needing “… to fashion our own solutions.”

    On this blog and beyond there have been many calls for more aggressive police tactics to combat the gun violence and if that includes “stop and check” LEGITAMATELY premised with complete ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of a Bajan’s rights to freedom of movement with no accompanying uncouth harassment by police officers then I see no problem.


  32. GP…the teenager was PERFECTLY HEALTHY…..but had a very SEVERE case of walking pneumonia…..nevertheless.

    KEEP GUESSING…

    President Simple…the dude was quite alive for weeks after he was medivac to UK…he could have definitely picked up a strain of something VIRAL…in the UK hospital where many, many, many elderly and disabled…are DYING like flies…and popular belief is UK IS CULLING THE ELDERLY AND DISABLED…

  33. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WANT TO LEARN A BIT ABOUT PNEUMONIA HERE ARE A FEW SIMPLE U TUBE VIDEOS


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqyPECmkSeo

    IN BOTH TYPICAL AND ATYPICAL PNEUMONIAS THERE IS NO a “building up” of fluid in the lungs
    PNEUMONIAS ARE CHARACTERISED BY CONSOLIDATION OF THE LUNG TISSUE–NOT EFFUSIONS

    THE UNQUALIFIED MEDICAL TEACHERS MAY CONTINUE THE TEACHING BUT PRIOR TO DOING SO THEY SHOULD READ PROPER PATHOLOGY EXPOSITIONS

  34. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    RE GP…the teenager was PERFECTLY HEALTHY…..but had a very SEVERE case of walking pneumonia…..nevertheless.

    JACKASS FOLK WITH PNEUMONIA ARE NOT PERFECTLY HEALTHY

    FOLK WITH PNEUMONIA HAVE CONSOLIDATION OF THE LUNGS NOT PLEURAL EFFUSIONS
    HERE AGAIN ARE THE TEN TOP CAUSES OF A PLEURAL EFFUSION OR FLUID IN THE LUNGS

    Congestive Heart Failure
    Infections
    Kidney Disease
    Autoimmune Disorders
    Cancer
    Hypoalbuminemia
    Trauma
    Pulmonary Embolism
    Cirrhosis
    Open-Heart Surgery Complications

  35. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    BTW, thanks doc its always good to know that you find my mouthings interesting enough to read, digest and then troll them (me)🤣!

    Of course though my remarks were fashioned rhetorically as a direct response to a series of posts by John Scholar and were not intended to illicit any such response as you offered…because well…at that time we did NOT have the details of the patient’s pathology to even Google 🤣 a diagnosis.

    But as usual your desire to be snarky outweighs your ability to be practical and decent here!

    Please continue to read my dribbles, I like all others here love to write and absolutely adore your fawning attention…oh lordie!


  36. ya not even close….keep guessing…

    apparently ya never heard of …A RARE CASE OF ANYTHING…


  37. A silent heart attack is a heart attack!!

    Walking pneumonia is pneumonia!!

  38. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    I AM NOT OR i wont be guessing about anything WITH A MEDICAL ILLITERATE

    FOLK WITH PNEUMONIA HAVE CONSOLIDATION OF THE LUNGS NOT PLEURAL EFFUSIONS

    even a rare case of anything has to fit into AN EXPANSION OF the list above
    even a rare case of anything has to fit into AN EXPANSION OF TIN CAN BED MIDI

    NO PEDANTIC PUNK I WAS TEACHING YOU THE TREATMENT REQUIRED IN THIS CASE AND HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE NOW THE SENSE NOT TO COME SPEWING SHITE WHEN YOU TRIED TO CHALLENGE ME ON CERVICAL INJURIES AND EMERGENCY POST MORTEMS

    BECAUSE YOU DID NOT have the details of the patient’s pathology to even Google 🤣 a diagnosis.DOES NOT MEAN THAT I HAD NOT COME TO A CONCLUSION FROM THE EARLY INFORMATION PRESENTED… AFTER ALL I AM NOT A MEDICAL ILLITERATE LIKE YOU

    WHEN I LEARNED TO DIAGNOSE…….THERE WAS NO GOOGLE IDIOT

  39. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    RE Walking pneumonia is pneumonia!!

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING RECORDED IN ANDERSON OR ROBBINS OR RUBINS AS Walking pneumonia
    PNEUMONIAS ARE CLASSIFIED AS TYPICAL OR ATYPICAL

    THERE IS TOO MUCH SHIT ON THE INTERNET

    IT IS AMAZING WHEN ONE ATTEMPTS TO TEACH THE BU ILLITERATES THEY PERSIST IN TALKING SHITE!


  40. And all the shite ya talking…ya still don’t know…and UNABLE to GUESS…WHAT THE RARE CASE WAS…it would still have had to be identified AND isolated…

  41. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    JACKASS LETS BE PRACTICAL

    WHEN PRESENTED WITH A PROBLEM WITH A PATIENT WITH A PLEURAL EFFUSION
    YOU PLUG INTO YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE LIST OF KNOWN CAUSES OF PLEURAL EFFUSIONS— YOU DONT GUESS—YOU ELIMINATE

    ONE THING YOU KNOW FIRST UP IS THAT SINCE THE MAIN FEATURE IS PLEURAL EFFUSION THEN IT CANT BE A PNEUMONIA BECAUSE PNEUMONIAS ARE CHARACTERIZED BY CONSOLIDATION, AND YA DONT WALK BOUT WITH PNEUMONIAS

    I WONT TAKE MONTHS LIKE YOUR ESTEEMED RELATIVES DID TO COME UP WITH A DIAGNOSIS EITHER

    WHY DIDNT THE MORONS DO A PLEURAL TAP AND SEND THE EFFLUENT FOR ANALYSIS?

    HOW CAN YOU TEACH WHEN YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED JACKASS


  42. GP…2 taps were done…and not by relatives…keep guessing..ya may actually get close..


  43. “THERE IS NO SUCH THING RECORDED IN ANDERSON OR ROBBINS OR RUBINS AS Walking pneumonia.”

    Georgie Porgie

    Yes.

    Perhaps that’s the reason why the term “walking pneumonia” has been described as “NON-MEDICAL” or “INFORMAL.”


  44. Georgie Porgie

    You are correct

    The evidence clearly indicates that a “building up” of fluid in the lungs is not associated with atypical pneumonia.

    You are also aware that, although she has been proven to be wrong, she will not admit, but will continue to “bob and weave” to prove she is correct.

    It is a useless effort……….so why prolong the discussion?


  45. Artax…don’t start…GP..has NO CLUE what happened to my relative to cause walking pneumonia…he may get close…but he will NEVER GUESS…he can’t unless he reviews…the MEDICAL REPORT…what is wrong with you people…

    AND …whatever is going through his mind …HE IS WRONG…

    doctors DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING…they witness new things every day and if his ego was not so damn big, he would admit that…

  46. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    Yes Artax I know that I am dealing with an uneducable ass……….but others may learn as I tear her to threads
    .
    As you would expect the term “walking pneumonia” is not used by professionals, because it does not make sense, as pneumonias are associated with debilitating symptoms.

    You might not know but ANDERSON ROBBINS RUBINS are the authors of three of the leading Pathology texts

    When professionals come here on BU and seek to teach the forum using their knowledge and expertise sensible people listen and learn and ask pertinent questions.

  47. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    re GP..has NO CLUE what happened to my relative to cause walking pneumonia

    of course I do!
    your relative was born with colonic histology in their lungs so they were producing faecal material in their lungs; quite similar to how the colonic histology in your brains has caused you to be demented, resulting in you posting videos of a rambling woman on a daily basis for months and the shite that you cut and paste on BU daily for years now ITS CALLED WALKING SHITE ON THE BRAIN


  48. lol…see what ah mean…ya will never know what caused that walking pneumonia….NEVER…cause ya will NEVER SEE THE MEDICAL REPORT…

    now ya can move on to telling us what killed the dude AFTER he was airlifted to UK from Sparman’s clinic..


  49. “…don’t start…GP..has NO CLUE what happened to my relative to cause walking pneumonia…he may get close…but he will NEVER GUESS…he can’t unless he reviews…the MEDICAL REPORT…what is wrong with you people…”

    Hmmmmm……….

    GP responded to your comment re:

    “………a relative of mine had walking pneumonia…still quite dangerous, person was a teenager….it took MANY MONTHS to rid those LUNGS OF FLUID….which KEPT BUILDING UP..no matter what they did…”

    GP did not make any ATTEMPT to GUESS or DIAGNOSED what happened to your relative, he merely HIGHLIGHTED the “IMPRACTICALITY” of your comment quoted above.

    He then went on to EXPLAIN that in both typical and atypical pneumonia there isn’t any “building up” of fluid in the lungs
    and listed medical conditions that are KNOWN to cause a “build up” of fluid in the lungs.

    If “building up” of fluid in the lungs is NOT KNOWN to be ASSOCIATED with atypical pneumonia, then obviously your relative had to be suffering from another medical condition that is known to cause a “build up” of fluid in the lungs.

    And that’s the point you’re purposely or conveniently missing.

    You may argue that GP is a retired doctor or he has an “inflated ego”……….. and it’s true “doctors DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING…they witness new things every day.”

    However, medical information is always “up to date” or current……. and the information I have read so far, is consistent with what GP mentioned in his contributions.

    You also wrote: “the teenager was PERFECTLY HEALTHY…..but had a very SEVERE case of walking pneumonia…..nevertheless,”…………. which he INDICATED was “ILLOGICAL.”

    Surely you must agree that any one suffering from any type of medical condition CANNOT be “perfectly healthy.”

    Additionally, when compared with the symptoms and causes of atypical pneumonia (information which is “current” or “recent”), your comments are clearly “ILLOGICAL.”

    Just admit you’re WRONG and move on.

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