Marijuana High

Submitted by Robert D. Lucas,PH.D

 

The Editor:

I read the below article in Barbados Today.

I had to laugh at the logic behind Adonijah’s reasoning. After all, he referred to Dr.Baird’s position as one engendered from ignorance. In fact,the appellation can be applied to his position as well.

Attached is an article from the Daily MailDoes marijuana make people violent? Washington state’s murder and assault rate surged 40% after drug was legalized – and experts insist that’s not a coincidence – which he would do well to peruse. I am amazed that persons without adequate scientific training can be so dogmatic in the positions taken when dealing with topics, the pros and cons of which require in depth scientific analysis.

Here is the Barbados Today article:

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  2. Cannabis use cannot be stopped, even in prisons, since the ‘human rights’ of offenders now take precedence over those of the general public, so why fight an unwinnable war with all the costs, both financial and social?
    Legalise it and tax it, just like alcohol, another drug that CANNOT be banned, thank God.
    Drink more Old Brigand for a happy healthy life.


  3. 45 govt
    I once belive that was true but looking at the way in which our world has evolved and in the way money has eroded and chip away at peoples morals and ethics giving acceptance to an interest of self
    I think your above comment is now regulated on a tenor of selfishness and not a reality that is driven by what is right or wrong moral or immoral and how when these ingredients come together how people s lives are affected


  4. @ Mariposa January 19, 2019 7:50 AM
    “A wise man once said Money is the root of all Evil
    When will we ever learn…”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So was there a central bank in the Garden of Eden that caused Adam to commit “Evil”?

    Or was it the hairy purse in which a deposit had to be made before any withdrawal?

    Maybe you can enlighten the blog if there is any etymological relationship between the name “Eve” and “Evil” as in Devil.


  5. Miller .. Adam inflicted by the diseae of theof greed and selfishness
    All of which are emboded and components of the human mind and with the help and availabily of money multiplies and becomes emboldened and corrupt


  6. Mariposa

    I don’t necessarily agree with the premise that money has eroded and chip away at our morals and ethics … It is our attitude towards money that has eroded and chip away at our morals and ethics… because previous generations of Bajans attitude towards money were far more different than ours today…


  7. @ Mariposa January 19, 2019 8:43 AM

    Why put the blame on the poor defective Adam?

    Why not the maker of the marijuana plant?

    Did your god Yahweh or his opposite number the Serpent create the marijuana plant?
    And if fit was the serpent why do doctors and other practitioners involved in the human body healing business have twin serpents (double helix) as the symbol of their wisdom and art?

    -“And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so…”~ Genesis 1:11

    “And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.” ~ Numbers 21:9


  8. (Quote): Dr Lucille Baird blithely speaks of the ‘devastating effect on this nation as much bigger countries have experienced’ if cannabis is decriminalized, without bothering to provide a scrap of evidence. (Unquote)
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If the preacher woman Baird was not so hypocritical in her stance she would have been preaching just as vehemently against the use of alcohol and tobacco (both scientifically proven to be dangerous to human health) and demanding the immediate criminalization of both to be treated just like marijuana has been for the past how many years.

    “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
    These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
    They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.”


    • @Miller

      You are intelligent to discern what is sanctioned or not by societies based on the morals being practiced of the day.


  9. Really !Miller your attack on Baird is laced in political hog wash
    Was Baird around to influence legislation in the passing of Alcohol or Tobacco
    Have you ever listened to sermons in which she condems the use of alcohol or Tobacco along with gambling as destructive to homes and social enviroment
    Her voice speaking against legislation to pass marijuana would not be accepted
    However here voice is one that is necessary as a learned lesson from other legislative measures which were hoisted on a flag borne out of monetary gains but has borne proven evidence which has led to social decay of people and country enviroment


  10. @ Miller at 9:31 AM

    You have hit the nail on the head. “Their teachings are merely human rules”.

    The litmus test is after examining the history of the existing human rules,we ask: Are these rules addressing the concerns of today. If they do not, we analyse our current problems and devise solutions for them. It is a question of relevancy and fit for purpose.
    I would also suggest cost- benefit analyses to satisfy Dr Baird’s, Dr. Lucas and 45 govt. concerns. We must be careful not ignore those parameters which do not easily lend themselves to numerical quantification i.e the social fall outs, reduced alertness and inclination to graduate to higher opioids..

    .


  11. I believe the jury on marijuana’s effect on human health is still out, if people want to consume marijuana it is their right depending on the country in which they reside. However, they should use it in much the same way that they use prescription drugs i.e. with all the pros and cons that come with the use of such medicines.


  12. @ Mariposa January 19, 2019 9:47 AM
    “Really !Miller your attack on Baird is laced in political hog wash
    Was Baird around to influence legislation in the passing of Alcohol or Tobacco”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well let her be the modern-day peripatetic preacher woman and go and denounce the Canadians and their government for decriminalizing the plant made by her god Yahweh with his own healing hands. A placard carrying demonstration in front of the Haut-commissariat du Canada à la Barbade could be a starter, n’est-ce pas?

    Let her get on her soapbox and rile against what takes place in Amsterdam where millions from all over the planet travel to annually to ‘recreate’. She would immediately have a captive ‘global’ audience or she could use the Internet (which wasn’t around when “legislation in the passing of Alcohol or Tobacco” was up for debate) to mount her religious tirade.

    When is the ‘godly’ lady going to call for the closing down of the Bajan rum industry (aka devil soup)?
    Or do most of her financially sound congregation have vested interests in the ‘Spirits’ business?


    • Not too long ago there was Prohibition in the USA?

      There are other examples how rules change in a society that evolves.


  13. @ Sargeant at 10 :36 AM

    The consequences are not only personal . They invite collateral damages to innocent non- users of society.


    • @Vincent

      The same is applicable to people who do not exercise, overeat, drink too much alcohol, break traffic laws etc. There are consequences for everything we do.


  14. Prohibition of alcohol produced a whole new and violent criminal class, including that vile old bastard Joe Kennedy. The prohibition on drugs has had just the same effect.


  15. @ David January 19, 2019 10:05 AM
    “You are intelligent to discern what is sanctioned or not by societies based on the morals being practiced of the day.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    D’accord!!

    That is exactly why we (in the enlightened West) don’t keep slaves anymore or following the Biblical injunction for menstruating women:
    Why not see marijuana as that tree of knowledge of good and evil? Pick your fruit accordingly and live and let live.

    Why can’t a person grow the plant for domestic use as a culinary or medical herb for private consumption?

    “When a woman has a discharge, and the discharge in her body is blood, she shall be in her menstrual impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening. And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean. And whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. And whoever touches anything on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. Whether it is the bed or anything on which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening. …”
    Leviticus 15:19-30


  16. @ David BU at 10 :47 AM

    I agree. But some consequences are more disruptive,unacceptable and costly than others. Thus the need to weigh them and make a democratic decision about them.


    • @Vincent

      Agree with the broad statement, there will always be tension when considering the inputs for what is the desirable end state. It is like living in the forest and unable to see the trees.


  17. The decriminalization of marijuana should have occurred decades ago. Further, Barbados should have been on the cutting edge of that industry and Rastafari should have been a central force of a healthy revolution and the hundreds of billions produced therefrom.

    When the conservative Christian theologians (Baird) pretend that a naturally growing plant should remain ‘illegal’ we cannot limit our counter narrative to alcohol for some will rejoin by saying that that is a naturally occurring substance as well, and not without some justification.

    We must launch a broader argumentation against the medical industrial complex and its coconspirators within the food industry which make unending profits by supporting a disease structure supported by cancer, heart ailments and death by medicine, as the three (3) leading causes of the demise of humans in Western societies.

    In more recent times the medical industrial complex has given us 60,000 deaths per annum, in the US alone, from the addition to opioids, prescribed by licensed medical practitioners and flooding vulnerable communities by Big-Pharma. This at the same time when heroine production has increased 30 fold with the invasion of Afghanistan by the war making machine of these the same pharmaceutical companies, with medical doctors acting as their salesmen.

    Both the relative positions of Baird and Adonijah seem not to have moved much since 50 years ago. We regret that the environmental forces surrounding have drastically been transformed. They both sound anachronistic.


    • @Pacha

      When has Barbados ever positioned itself on the cutting edge of anything?

      We are a conservative people. One is left to wonder where is the societal edge a superior education system was expected to give us.


  18. @ Miller at 10 :50 AM

    You are quite aware that the last quoted paragraph was not written for you nor your generation. You may note that it forms part of the 330 supplementary regulations that were designed for the Jewish nation of that millennia.
    I believe those are part of the human rules which Isaiah , later Jesus and modern day Jewish scholars spoke about.


  19. Pachamama, heroin is also from a natural plant, and is a vital aid in medicine and war. It appears that like guns, its use is only proscribed for the civilian population.


  20. David

    Maybe during slavery, the Lynchian psychology for breaking slaves, producing people like the preacher Baird, and the one Adonijah, up to this day. The development of sugar cane varieties.

    We’re reaching!

    But there’s got to be something we can master. Something that we have some unique sets of competencies – in addition to talking nuff shiiiiiiite!


  21. Everything on earth has a purpose, I believe. It is when it is misused or abused that there is a problem. These are the situations that must be managed. They can never be eliminated. The effects can only be minimised.

    I agree with Vincent’s cost-benefit analysis approach and 45’s position on the effects of prohibition.


    • If making decisions were so simple. There is the political structures that serve to deliver to the money makers.


  22. @ Donna at 11 :15 AM

    The superior education system that nurtured you. Most of us Bloggers are happy with the product. Aren’t you?


  23. @ Vincent Codrington January 19, 2019 11:03 AM
    “You are quite aware that the last quoted paragraph was not written for you nor your generation. You may note that it forms part of the 330 supplementary regulations that were designed for the Jewish nation of that millennia.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Nothing in the OT -or for that matter, the entire Jewish book of royal fables, myths and legends- was written for today’s generation.

    We clearly would not want to execute today your Yahweh’s instruction of performing genocidal acts against perceived ethnic enemies worshipping (false) gods other than “Money”.

    But there are some maxims of human morality which will always stand the test of time and universal appeal.

    “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is the universal golden rule of human love and humility so adroitly illustrated in the parable of the “Good Samaritan”.

    “The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.” ~Thomas Paine


  24. We’ve never heard Baird or Adonijah talk about other substances like wood glues, bleach, toilet bowl cleaner all of which could be stand-ins for drugs. What about mushrooms.

    All of these ‘intoxicants’ could be found in Baird’s cupboard, in her garden, in her church. Why not make them illegal too.


  25. 45gov

    “The prohibition of alcohol produced a whole new criminal class”

    So the decriminalization of marijuana should have the opposite effect because the demand for the drug would have been all but dissipated …

    However, it amazes me how you can point to Joe Kennedy as this new violent criminal class, but fall short of pointing to Al Capone the Chicago mob boss who had politicians, judges, and police and his payroll…

    Nevertheless, it is a well known fact that Joe Kennedy made his money through the illegal sale of alcohol during Prohibition, but where is the evidence that he did so by means of violence?


  26. David,

    I am interested in living not merely surviving. I believe that we need to stop tinkering and build a new engine.


  27. The education system in Bim was second to none for those so ill educated as not to know. Indeed, until relatively recently Barbadian parents fed up with the deteriorating state of UK education started sending their kids back home to school. Of course Barbados has now ‘caught up’ in the PC destruction area.
    60 years ago Barbados boasted of 98% literacy, the envy of anywhere. Here endeth the lesson for the ignorant.


  28. @ Donna at at 11 :26 AM

    You responded; ” an inquiring mind that propels me…”. That is one of the primary deliverables of a superior educational system. Mission 1 accomplished. Some people believe it is a body of knowledge. It is not really. Knowledge has a limited shelf life.


  29. David

    Maybe we have to start from the basics. Food production. But that would not be simple it would require both large and small radical reforms.

    End of food importation, agrarian reform, the exit from multilateral organizations – WTO etc.

    No doubt severely painful as well.


  30. Dear Lord, the stupidity quotient is rising here. Joe Kennedy as Mr Big facilitated the likes of Capone, and was not one whit better than him. He even
    had his own daughter lobotomised FFS.


  31. To the really ignorant,

    Depends on your view of “EDUCATION”, doesn’t it? In some cases we were “miseducated”, I contend.


  32. Those in favour would use all kinds of examples to legitimize the use of Marijuana
    However what they cannot deny is the growing evidence of its consumption and its negative impact on society
    There are facts which bear out that marijuana even used for medicinal use for cancer does not heal or stop the progression of cancer
    The problem with society that its tendecy to allow the tail to wag the dog


  33. Seems that some people just can’t help themselves. Anyone who disagrees with them is ignorant. Note who threw the first stone.


  34. @ Miller at 11:30 AM

    I am heartened that you have heard the Gospel in your own language. Blessed are you.


  35. @ Donna at 11:46 AM

    At least our education system did not eradicate your enquiring mind ;but provided stuff to develop it further.


  36. 45gov

    Yep, and Sam Giancana, Lee Harvey Oswald, Russian and Cuban operatives are somehow responsible for JFK assassination according to the Warren Commission … the point being …. we have a tendency to believe what have been fed to us …


  37. the bible of my enslavers (Christians or Muslims) could never ever be a spiritual book for me. however that should not preclude descendants of African slaves in believing in a higher being or whatever they want to believe.


  38. James Greene

    I am here wondering what would have been your position regarding the Bible … had there not been the enslavement of the African people?


  39. a bible that aided in my ancestors’ enslavement and bondage is not a book for me. can never be. that is quite apart from believing in a just God or Creator if one so wishes to believe.


  40. James Greene

    Remember those who profited from European Chettel Slavery had to convinced Christianized Europe that Blacks were less than human in order to justify the enslavement of our fore_ parents …


  41. @ Vincent Codrington January 19, 2019 11:50 AM

    “I am heartened that you have heard the Gospel in your own language. Blessed are you.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have heard and ingested similar Gospel from Thoth, Buddha and Zoroaster who were real (living) Sons of God (Ahura Mazda).

    Maybe some day into the future (global warming permitting) your descendants might use mankind’s modern Bible- aka The Internet of the Tree of knowledge of G{o}od and [D]evil- to promote the Gospel according to Charles Darwin.

    But as your academic idol J M Keynes dismally assured us: “In the long run, we are all dead”, (one way or the other).


  42. What we have mastered is that having been : raped , robbed, rooted up , stripped of language etc; we have still risen and have mastered adversity ,that this morning some of us can express ourselves in this forum.
    Although it may matter little to the more erudite amongst us; we even mastered the game of cricket once the preserve of the same ones who tried to destroy our very being.
    So in many ways we have mastered many things .
    All we have to now do is realize how great we are and as Marcus Garvey instructed: Rise.
    The next step is up to us and that will mean mastering our own resources for the benefit of our peoples.
    This is no lofty thesis just plain common sense!


  43. Miller

    Darwin could not proved where the first human and animal cell originated … And Darwin’s theory did not take into account the geological and astronomical aspects of evolution …his focused was merely on the biological aspect of the theory ….


  44. “Sargeant January 19, 2019 10:30 AM

    I believe the jury on marijuana’s effect on human health is still out, if people want to consume marijuana it is their right depending on the country in which they reside. However, they should use it in much the same way that they use prescription drugs i.e. with all the pros and cons that come with the use of such medicines.”

    To date the most sensible comment on this topic, nothing should be abused, not even water.


  45. Right on the money.

    “Pachamama January 19, 2019 11:02 AM

    The decriminalization of marijuana should have occurred decades ago. Further, Barbados should have been on the cutting edge of that industry and Rastafari should have been a central force of a healthy revolution and the hundreds of billions produced therefrom.”


  46. James Greene

    My point is that our enslavement has distorted everything that we preceive to be European … including the Christian faith … so I am saying had this not been the case, what would our outlook be with respect to those things that are European?


  47. James Greene – I think the point is that you are addressing a flat earther who has difficulty separating science from religious fiction.


  48. @ Lexicon January 19, 2019 12:44 PM
    “Darwin could not proved where the first human and animal cell originated … And Darwin’s theory did not take into account the geological and astronomical aspects of evolution …his focused was merely on the biological aspect of the theory ….”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If only your Jewish fairytale book of myths and legends had started with the following premise:
    “In the beginning Yahweh created himself and then said to himself (while Moses acted as his secret biographer) ‘Let there be Light’, then you would have found the answer(s) to your inquisitive queries:

    Here is a question for you Lexicon, do you know what is called in Astrological circles Mary’s Womb”?


  49. William Skinner

    If we can envision a world where as a Black race of people can be self-sufficient and self-reliant…then we can surely create one where we can work in harmony as a collective human organism … the Black man; the White man; the Red man; the Yellow man and Brown man … are all one man …


  50. William Skinner

    If we can envision a world where as a Black race of people can be self-sufficient and self-reliant…then we can surely create one where we can work in harmony as a collective human organism … the Black man; the White man; the Red man; the Yellow man and Brown man … are all one man …


  51. Miller

    I have a question for you: have you heard of the Holy Spirit? And are cognizant of the fact that if the Holy Spirit does not live in your mortal body that it is virtually impossible to come to a true understanding of who God really is … no matter how many years you sit in a Church pew?


  52. @ Lexicon January 19, 2019 1:31 PM

    Is this the same “Holy Spirit” which like a space ship paid a visit to Ezekiel like what happened to Rael?

    Or is it the immeasurable incomparable Master called Time?

    So what happens to the Holy Spirit when one loses the mortal coil?

    Does it go into another mortal body of East Indian manufacture by way of the process of reincarnation until your spirit reaches perfection fit for an eternal place in heaven?

    You Lexi, might just be that man called Judas in that passion play whom Yahweh deliberately created to betray his only “Begotten” son worn like a jacket by poor Joseph.


  53. Miller

    Let us assume that there is no moral dictator who is responsible for the creation of our universe and human life … then my question to you is this: how did the universe came existence without God, and what was there before the Big Bang as well as the chemical explosion which is purported to be responsible for the creation of our universe? And were the Laws of Nature prior to the Big Bang?


  54. Miller

    The fact of the matter is science nor religion can tell us conclusively how did the universe came into being ….

    Moreover, our basic human knowledge and common-sense ought to tell us that for everything that is created there has to be a creator …so therefore, there is no such thing as an uncaused cause to our human existence…
    Because from this perspective our human knowledge has reached an explantory threshold as far as who created, God, the Big Bang, the chemical reaction which caused the Big Bang, the universe and human life etc …


  55. Robert D. Lucas,PH.D began this blog my citing the hilarity he enjoined at the logic behind Peter Alleyne’s reasoning that Lucille Baird’s position on the legalization was engendered from ignorance.

    He then mused “ that persons without adequate scientific training can be so dogmatic in the positions taken when dealing with topics, the pros and cons of which require in depth scientific analysis.” To aid or induce a more reasoned approach to the subject he provided a link to an article that addresses the issues fairly comprehensively, if not completely.

    I must confess that I have also found the ensuing discussion so called, by the usual BU rum shop brayers, barkers and brimblers equally hilarious, illogical and engendered from ignorance.

    No one has addressed the salient points raised by Peter Alleyne, nor does it seem that anyone has read the article he cited, or understood the significance of its contents, because it has not been discussed at all!.

    However, the blogs entrenched demon and Bible illiterates spouted off about things they clearly do not understand.

    Millertheanunnaki @ January 19, 2019 9:09 AM begins the “Bible lessons” by pointing out that
    -“And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so…”~ Genesis 1:11

    Clearly this text is not relevant here, as this scripture is merely one of the two biological classifications presented in Genesis 1. The botanical classification states that plants are either grasses, herbs or trees that bare fruit. The zoological classification is that animals are either aquatic, arboreal or terrestrial.

    Next he cites Numbers 21:9 “And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.”

    Being seemingly totally ignorant of the significance of this incident as a type of the Lord Jesus himself, as revealed when Jesus referenced this passage in John 3:15 and explained its meaning to Nicodemus.

    In the incident recorded in Numbers when the children of Israel had been bitten by poisonous snakes and were instructed to look at a bronze serpent on a pole. God had promised that those who did so would be healed.

    The entire experience is a type. It was an actual, historical event that portrayed a New Testament truth. Here is what Jesus said about this incident in John 3:14-16: “And, as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

    At first it might seem strange that of all things, a serpent should be a type of Christ and His saving work on the cross. But it makes sense when we read what Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians. 5:21, , which reads”. For He hath made Him, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians. 5:20-21).

    We identify a serpent with sin, and brass or bronze in the Bible speaks of some aspect of God’s judgment. The bronze serpent, therefore, was a fitting portrayal of the Lord Jesus being made sin for us (bearing God’s wrath to pay the price for our iniquity). He made it possible for us to be saved by simple looking to Him in faith. That Old Testament incident was therefore an outstanding type of the redemptive work of Christ.


  56. @ David
    I said the same thing that you are saying regardless of the context.
    You talk about mastering in the context of GDP. I talk about mastering our resources for the benefits of our people; such mastery will obviously improve our GDP.
    What’s the difference bro’ ?


    • @William

      You mentioned in your earlier comment we have mastered cricket and a few areas which (to repeat) have not benefited the country in any significant way.


  57. Next we have the words of the enlightened BU well credentialed commenter, Vincent Codrington t who opined at January 19, 2019 11:03 AM
    @ Miller at 10 :50 AM
    You are quite aware that the last quoted paragraph was not written for you nor your generation. You may note that it forms part of the 330 supplementary regulations that were designed for the Jewish nation of that millennia.
    I believe those are part of the human rules which Isaiah , later Jesus and modern day Jewish scholars spoke about.

    FIRST QUESTION. Please tell us where Isaiah or Jesus referred to the regulations cited by Miller occurs in the Bible.

    SECOND QUESTION. Since when he made his contribution to the body of what is now known as the New testament, the only Scriptures that Paul had was the Greek translation of the Old testament, what is meant by the word “ALL” in 2 Timothy 3:16-17?
    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
    Does ALL mean ALL…….OR SOME……..OR WHAT BU BIBLE ILLITERATES THINK IS RELEVANT.

    What does Paul mean in Romans 15:4 when he says “For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope?

    What does Paul mean when he writes in 1 Corinthians 10:6,11

    Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
    Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

    I just asking in my capacity as a lowlife nothingarian under moderation.

    We also have the equally ludicrous suggestion
    “Why not see marijuana as that tree of knowledge of good and evil?”


  58. @ Georgie Porgie January 19, 2019 2:26 PM
    “We identify a serpent with sin,….”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So why does the fraternity of Hippocrates (and others involved in the healing of the human body business) of which you call yourself an erudite member use the two intertwined serpents as their logo of faith in their magic and dependability?

    Don’t you find it passing strange that the two lovingly intertwined serpents represent a spitting image of the double helix of the DNA the god-secret code of life on evolutionary earth?

    And all along you Bible-thumping guys could never unlock such knowledge of good and evil ‘hidden’ right before your very eyes.

    BTW, are you implying (or even stating unequivocally) that the Christian image of your sweet white Jesus dying on the cross is really a serpent paying for the sins of dark-skin humans?

    Imhotep must be slithering in his constellation of Ophiuchus and asking why have his people of the black Moses become so blindingly myopic as to be not able to see the difference between a healing serpent of wisdom from a dirty morally poisonous snake in the grass.


  59. This is on the radio now.

    The cannabis industry, reparations for slavery, how to tackle the fourth highest murder rate in the world: World Questions is in Jamaica to debate the big issues of a country which despite its problems has a host of successes in fields as diverse as academia, athletics, literature and reggae music. Chairing the debate in the capital, Kingston, the BBC’s Jonny Dymond is joined by:
    Kamina Johnson Smith: the Foreign Secretary
    Peter Bunting: the opposition MP and former Minister of National Security
    Lorna Goodison: Poet Laureate
    Alvin Wint: Emeritus Professor of International Business at the University of the West Indies

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_world_service


  60. @ Georgie Porgie January 19, 2019 2:49 PM
    “FIRST QUESTION. Please tell us where Isaiah or Jesus referred to the regulations cited by Miller occurs in the Bible.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Dr. GP, doctor in Divinity -and expert in all things contained in the Jewish book of plagiarized myths, legends, tall tales and sometimes downright lies- why don’t you stop beating up and bull(y)ing Bible illiterates like the lightweight lowly miller?

    Shouldn’t you be using your Samson-like strength in biblical knowledge to question and contradict what was written by another GP, your political mirror image, called Grenville Philips No. 2?
    This what he wrote on his most recent blog aptly titled “Judgement Day”:

    “Nevertheless that Lord of Spirits will so press them that they shall hastily go forth from His presence, and their faces shall be filled with shame, and the darkness grow deeper on their faces. And He will deliver them to the angels for punishment, to execute vengeance on them because they have oppressed His children and His elect.” (Enoch 62: 9-11)

    Now where in your Jesus Christ bible authorized by that great bulling king of England called James can you point us so we -the bible illiterates and BU blimmers in the rum shop imbibing excessive amounts of ‘spirits’ made from religious ignorance- can find such “Scripture” inspired by Yahweh and his only begotten son of man called Jesus?


  61. @ David
    I did not know that cricketers making money did not send home some. I did not know that going all over the world telling people about our country did not benefit us. I did not know that all the vendors and workers at cricket matches were of no benefit. Ah mean it will take a perfect idiot to say Cricket contributed anything so you can have the final word on this because I am a perfect idiot.
    By the way our only living national hero was a cricketer.
    Oh before I forget all the foreign exchange that coming in next week by those visitors ain’t mean nothing. The hoteliers ain’t getting nutting either.
    I have to be in your words a jack ass to believe that we benefitted from mastering cricket. Yes sir I am a real jack ass!!!!


  62. miller read what I said again dummy

    We identify a serpent with sin, and brass or bronze in the Bible speaks of some aspect of God’s judgment. The bronze serpent, therefore, was a fitting portrayal of the Lord Jesus being made sin for us (bearing God’s wrath to pay the price for our iniquity). He made it possible for us to be saved by simple looking to Him in faith. That Old Testament incident was therefore an outstanding type of the redemptive work of Christ.

    NUMBERS SPEAKS OF A BRAZEN SERPENT……NOT JUST A SERPENT
    A SERPENT WAS MADE OF COPPER OR BRASS AND PUT INTO A FIRE

    IT THEN ACTED AS A PROPHYLACTIC CURE TO ALL WHO HAD FAITH TO LOOK THEREON

    IN HIS NOCTURNAL CONFERENCE WITH NICODEMUS JESUS USED THE PICTURE OF THE RAISED UP BRAZEN SERPENT AS A PICTURE OR TYPE OF HIMSELF WHEN HE SAID AS OR IN THE SAME WAY WHEN PERSONS DYING FROM SNAKE BITE IN THE WILDERNESS LOOKED IN FAITH TO THE PROVIDED BRAZEN SERPENT THEY RECOVERED FROM THE VENOM OF THE SNAKE- A PICTURE OF SIN- IN LIKE MANNER PERSONS WHO LOOK TO HIM ON THE BASIS OF HIS WORK ON THE CROSS WOULD RECEIVE A PERMANENT CURE FROM THE EFFECTS OF SIN.

    IN JOHN 3 :15 JESUS LOOKED BACKWARD TO THE THE ACCOUNT IN NUMBERS, AND FORWARD TO WHAT HE KNEW WOULD BE TAUGHT IN 2 CORINTHIANS.

    SERIOUS STUDENTS OF THE NT, REALIZE THAT JESUS USED THIS PLOY IN HIS TEACHINGS


  63. millertheanunnaki
    i agree with you that the quotation from “Enoch 62: 9-11” does not occur in the sacred canon of Scripture, but I choose not to waste my time with that Bible illiterate Grenville Phillips, who seems to have a fixation with Mathew 25–about which he clearly does not understand its content, intent or extent.


  64. Miller

    The leading atheist in his time Christopher Hitchens said: when he died and in fact he is dead … if there is in fact a Heaven or a Hell that he is going to ask God why He made so difficult for him to know. Well, I guess he found out because he died of cancer years ago …


  65. @ David
    That was never my original position. You chose to nullify my comment with this nonsense and I applied appropriately.
    All I said is that we mastered a game that was once the preserve of those who had enslaved us.
    You introduced the GDP and all that. Not me.


  66. MJ like all substances can be abused(abnormal use). There are soo many legal and illegal substances that we human mis use and abuse. I think all here will admit alcohol is a very well known substance that is misused and abused. In response as a society we have “re-habitation; AA the whole gambit of after the fact services and programmes. We as a society also know that MJ can be misused and abused.

    If we are going to consider making MJ a legal substance i am sure many here will accept that its rate of misuse and abuse may increase. So as a society are we going to put in place the infrastructure of “rehab” and other after that fact services, etc for the possible increase of persons? Or will we wait until the increase occurs then try to fix it or do sumting about it.

    I guess putting your head in the sand is the way we are looking to move; not much different than the previous way we dealt with known knowns and objective reality.


  67. it is recognised or slowly being proven that as a society; we have developing a bad track record when it comes to NCD. From my understanding (Maybe GP can assist me here) NCD are for the most part largely preventable or if not preventable; their onslaught may be delayed to later in a persons life.. So NCD maybe seen as self-inflicted mortal wounds?

    Many of us may have seen or witnessed the effect of the NCDs on a person(s) they know. Some may have witnessed the effects of alcohol abuse or misuse on the individual or their immediate family or friends. Some of use have also witnessed the effects of illegals drugs on those same actors etc. So Now let use fully unleash the MJ.

    I hope we are more than prepared to buffet and wrestle the effects in ten years after legalisation that the move will have on the same actors; the under resourced and over burdened public health sectors; the productive sectors(hotel. manufacturing etc), the police and prisons, the education (schools,). Finally the possible negative impacts after the negative and positives are weighted of fully unleashing the MJ and possibly other candidates(other substances/drugs) that may be nominated for unleashing..

    Just saying or asking.


  68. Sirfuzzy

    All that we need to know about marijuana and its long term effects can be found in the Rastafarian Community; these people have been smoking marijuana for more than four-decades…


  69. Sirfuzzy

    Listen to Adonijah when he speaks … he knows what he is saying … because he almost landed himself in hot water at the national stadium one night at a calypso show back in the 80s …. How I know this … I was standing next to the car with my mounted buddies as a teenager …?


  70. regular cannabis use studies have showed there can be an impairment in speed from brain to the retina , if they are saying there is a chance that, black on black violence, can accidentally become black on white violence we better stop this shit now.


  71. @ Lexicon January 19, 2019 6:10 PM

    As far as i am aware not may persons died from AIDS either; but they do die from ARC(AIDS-related complex). I am not only looking at deaths; but what side-effects on the economy or society will unregulated MJ use have in ten years.

    The Rastas etc may have been doing MJ for over 40 years; but what are side-effects on their lives; many things may not be easily seen by the human eyes etc; but are affecting them. Does the use of MJ impairs drivers of vehicles; workers on the job etc etc.

    A death is easy to identify. A drug user may overdose. This is maybe easily associated with cocaine or an opioid becuase when a forensic pathologist does his examination certain things may revealed and tied with the introduction of the drug into the human body.

    Also we must also come to grips with research that points to the fact that MJ is often a gateway drud to more potent drugs. I am simply asking are we prepared to handle the backlash of a possible decision to legalise MJ?


  72. I cannot speak to whether the use of marijuana is good or bad but from what I have seen of those on the street now vagrantised by apparent excessive use is their
    teets tend to drop out and they usually look musty and notice I say on the street while on the other hand the most alcohol use tend to do is make you drunk. You vomit say you in drinking no more sleep it off and wash and powder your face an get ready for the next round when the occasion arises
    It is my view that the business of the Govt should confined to health education and security and the protection of minors up to age 18 as prescribed by law against the participation in those societal norms until they reach the age of consent and any other form of abuse but I do not believe the Govt should get into the business of legalizing or not legalizing practices like marijuana use abortion homosexuality paedophilia lesbianism same sex marriages


  73. Sirfuzzy

    I worked in a drug and alcohol rehab for five years, and during those five years not one person came in for marijuana addiction … Most of the people who came into the rehab were alcoholics intravenous drug users …


  74. @ Charles Skeete January 19, 2019 6:40 PM

    Hmm. What about homicide or fraud or corruption or mutiny or theft or sexual assault, etc. The many other things that we have laws on the books for. Things that adults and minors are protected against etc. Things the society has deemed to be illegal or legal?

    Barbados prides itself on the ideas that we are a nation of laws etc. Most democracies preach from the same chapter and verse when it comes to a nation (f)laws dogma.

    Just saying.


  75. @ Lexicon January 19, 2019 6:54 PM

    (quote) I worked in a drug and alcohol rehab for five years, and during those five years not one person came in for marijuana addiction … Most of the people who came into the rehab were alcoholics intravenous drug users (quote)

    Are they any known side effect from using MJ. As it has been your experience to have seen “no MJ addicts in the RE-hab”. I may conclude that you have not seen those addicts, but not conclude that they are are “no Mj addicts”

    To the best of my knowledge I have never been introduced or met any person from Vanuatu Island therefore will it be safe to conclude that since i have never seen such a person that Vanuatu Island has not residends or citizen or Vanuatu Island
    does not exist?

    Just asking.


  76. @ Lexicon January 19, 2019 7:28 PM

    Is marijuana addictive?

    Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30 percent of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.18 People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults.19

    Marijuana use disorders are often associated with dependence—in which a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.20,21 Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.22,23

    https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive


  77. Sirfuzzy

    Dont worry with the BS Mark Fenty is talking.

    I had two schoolmates from 6th form days in the late 60’s/early 70’s who on travelling to Trinidad to study, got hooked om marijuana. They were both excellent cricketers, who were good enough to represent the UWI team against the 1973 Australians– they are BOTH DEAD as a consequence of their addiction.

    The last time I saw one of these lads, he was walking on the street close to St Augustine church in St George like a zombie, quite oblivious to everything about him. It hurt me to the core.

    I have no intention of saying more about marijuana. The accredited and highly credentialed BU commenters will probably not get into even looking at the very interesting and instructive article supplied by Dr Lucas. Soon the BU brayers and brimblers will go to bark at the next topic.

    I will, however, say that at post mortems I have attended, I have seen the classic mottling of lung tissues in dead persons, and have read in both Robins, Rubins and other pathology texts that smoking caused lung cancer.

    I will say also that alcohol is metabolized by the liver enzymes to acetyl CoA.Some of this is used for energy in many alcoholics, and the rest is converted to fat, and results in fatty liver and cirrhosis. I have posted one of my “inferior powerpoints” on this subject some Kadooment seasons ago.

    Certainly the situation with respect to alcohol and tobacco are both well researched and well established, so there is nothing much .to say about these so called “natural” substances.

    Whereas it is a fact that there are a group of nicotinic receptors that are very important in the nervous system, there is no indication I know of that these are related to the nicotine in cigarettes, or cigarette smoking..


  78. @Robert Lucas “I am amazed that persons without adequate scientific training can be so dogmatic.”

    Please do not be amazed. Religious people/true believers tend to be dogmatic. They will support their religion, not because they know scientifically, but because they believe religiously.


  79. That said alcohol is also natural. Plants can naturally ferment creating alcohol.

    Sugar cane, grapes, rye, wheat etc.

    I’ve even made sorrell wine myself. Threw some dried sorel in a container, add some sugar, yeast and water. leave for a few weeks and you are good. or bad. Lolll


  80. The next time I get my hands on some marijuana, I’ll make some marijuana wine. Same recipe as above, except use dried marijuana instead of dried sorrel.

    That way I’ll keep both my Rastafarian and my Christian friends happy.

    Herb wine.


  81. At present i believe medical professions have some dfficulty getting their patients to take their medicine as directed. it is my belief that a good bit of the medicine paid for by the taxpayers and dispensed by the National Drug Service end up being flished down toilets, or in garbage bins and thence to Mangrove landfill.

    A question for wunna.

    How do medical professionals plan to get their patients to take their marijuana as prescribed?

    Or are we the taxpayers going to end up paying, again, for expensive medicine only to have it flushed down the toilet or thrown on Mangrove landfill?

    If people refuse to take their medicine for hypertension and diabetes, real-real killers, how are we going to get them to take marijuana for pain, which typically does not kill?

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