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Jeff Cumberbatch – Chairman of the FTC and Deputy Dean, Law Faculty, UWI, Cave Hill

“…the controversy surrounding Mary Magdalene speaks to centuries of the dominant ideology that shapes values around female sexuality and stigmatizes sex workers on a moralistic premise.”Kate Edwards, University of Sheffield in “The Conversation” (2016)

For a people alternatively given to either the hagiolatry or denigration of the politician depending on one’s persuasion or current fancy, the entry into the local political fray for the upcoming general election of Ms Natalie (“Natlee”) Harewood, a self-confessed former prostitute, must present a conundrum to the Barbadian voter.

Should she be excoriated as undeserving, given her former vocation, of a seat in the august Lower Chamber or even of the chance to challenge therefor? Or should she be encouraged in her undertaking to be a voice for those likewise vulnerably situated?

There are, of course, those who perceive her candidacy as an admirable venture in the finest democratic tradition and those who have, at the same time, taken the opportunity to compare her favourably, despite, or perhaps because of, her antecedents, with the current membership of the local political class; while there are others, including at least one section of the media, that have played the card of righteous indignation and wondered “aloud “ if we are now prepared “to throw the baby out with the bathwater” and “to fully fling ourselves precariously into the moral abyss…”

Querying when if ever did prostitution become legal in Barbados, that organ’s leader asks, if it is not, “why does “Natlee” and her financier even have the gumption to vy (sic) for a place in our most honourable House of Assembly?” If not, it declaims further, why is there no warrant issued by the Royal Barbados Police Force for Natlee’s arrest? It gratuitously suggests a possible charge of “offending public morals” based on her previous affirmations that she is “a night jobber with an office located in Bush Hill” and that she performs sex acts for a living”. In the same vein, I have seen a social media post that states she has also confessed to being an agriculturalist, but this newspaper is not the place for any further details in that regard.

The indignation of that journal would be laughable if it were not so serious an issue, but that is not the point of my essay today. Rather, I shall seek to explore the frequently bruited and seemingly vexing question as to whether prostitution is criminal in Barbados.

At an elemental level, if we accept prostitution to be a transaction entailing the sale of sexual favours for a material consideration, then it is clear that technical acts of prostitution occur in every instance of transactional sex, whether the consideration for the favours should be in money or money’s worth and whether that transaction is between strangers or between individuals known to each other. The law cannot effectively regulate such conduct by criminalization -except perhaps other than where the sex act involves male homosexuals- and it does not attempt to.

What it does, however, is to prohibit overt displays of the conduct associated with prostitution and its commercialization. As to the criminalization of public conduct associated with prostitution, section 2 of the local Minor Offences Act 1998 provides at (d) and (e):

Any person who…

(d) in any street, highway or public place accosts a passenger and offers to take him to the house or residence of a prostitute;

(e) loiters in any street or highway and importunes passengers for the purpose of prostitution;…

commits an offence and is liable on conviction before a magistrate to a penalty of $2 500 or to imprisonment for 2 years or to both.

Also relevant in this connection, one supposes, is section 3 (1) (c) to the effect that “any person who … wilfully, openly, lewdly and obscenely exposes his person in any street, public road or highway or in the view thereof or in any place of public resort;… commits an offence and is liable on conviction before a magistrate to a fine of $3 500 or to imprisonment for 2 years or both.

My hesitancy to be dogmatic here is based solely on the notoriety of the limited circumstances in which a female may expose her person as compared to her male counterpart.

However, it is the Sexual Offences Act, Cap 154 of the Laws of Barbados, that criminalizes most of the matters associated with the commercialization of prostitution, including the procuration of an individual for prostitution, becoming an inmate of, or frequenting, a brothel [section 13]; being involved in the management of brothels [section 18]; detaining a person against their will in a brothel [section 15]; living on the earnings of prostitution [section 19];or exercising for the purpose of gain, control, direction or influence over the movements of a prostitute in a way that shows that the person is aiding, abetting or compelling the prostitution [section 20].

In summary then, while the concept of prostitution itself at a definitional level may not be criminalized, the local law prohibits its treatment as an organized business and the overt solicitation for this purpose by anyone.

Nor ought it to be thought that it is possible to regard prostitution as criminal for the prostitute’s being in contravention of section 19 (1). This provides:-

A person who knowingly lives wholly or in part on the earnings of prostitution; or in any place solicits for immoral purposes, is guilty of an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a fine of $5 000 or to imprisonment for 5 years or to both.

It might be presumed that this would clearly cover the prostitute herself. However, as the now retired legal scholar and fellow columnist, Clifford Hall, argues persuasively in a 1998 article in the Caribbean Law Review, there are at least three reasons why this may not be so:

First, he notes, the section is a composite of s. 30(5) and s. 32 of the Sexual Offences Act 1956 in England with slight modification. These provisions in the English Act had re-enacted in almost the same words a provision of the Vagrancy Act 1898 (UK) under which male persons who lived on the earnings of prostitution or who solicited for immoral purposes were deemed rogues and vagabonds within the meaning of the Vagrancy Act 1824…”

Second, section 19 of the Barbados Act is included in the fasciculus (bundle) of sections relating to trading in or exploiting prostitution. The position is the same under ss. 22-26, Sexual Offences Act 1956 in England. Neither Act, according to him, purports to declare illegal heterosexual sexual intercourse or other intimacy for payment between consenting adults, nor proscribes explicitly the activities of female prostitutes themselves….Thus the context of section 19 of the Barbados Act appears to exclude any suggestion that it applies to the prostitute herself. If it did, he posits, the soliciting provision of the Act would be otiose…”

Third, he remarks on the disparity of the penalties between those for s.19, which stipulates a fine of $5000 or imprisonment for five years or both, and those under the Minor Offences Act where the maximum penalty is a $2500 fine or two years imprisonment or both. An even greater disparity in penalties in the English law leads him to conclude that section 19 (1) would thus seem to be directed against those, whether male or female, who exploit prostitutes and not against prostitutes themselves.

He notes, finally, that this interpretation also appears to accord with current police practice; where there has never been a prosecution of a prostitute under section 19.

On this basis, prostitution itself is not criminal in Barbados unless the prostitute publicly displays his or her wares by importuning or soliciting individuals or turns it into an business by establishing and keeping a brothel.

A blessed Easter season to all…

I should wish to dedicate this column to the memory of Sir John Connell, eminent jurist, ardent conservationist, learned friend, brother and avid reader of this weekly essay who was called to higher service last week. I shall regret forever not having the opportunity to spend some time chatting with him as per his invitation last December. May his soul rest eternally in peace.


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120 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – The Nightwalker and the Honourable Member”


  1. As for me I find no fault in this young lady, for I have on many occasions been relieved of some sums of money in exchanged for or the promise of a lil pokey. Even though at the time I felt a fair exchange was no robbery, it struck fear in me that so many women are part time pussy sellers. Part time in that they did not operate out of Bush hill. Good luck Ms. Harewood.


  2. Yes there is a level of hypocrisy if we compare the behaviour by everyday households to that of a declared former prostitute. What does the law say about it is what Jeff is attempting to unravel for us not so?


  3. @ mr whitehill

    There is an unwritten difference between sanctioned prostitution of the type you speak of which is accepted, and even supported, in Barbados and Bush Hill or similarly venued whoredom

    It is called “soft prostitution” and it occurs daily in Barbados where many a woman in precarious economic circumstances will give up the #@#@# to acquaintances for monetary compensation

    Interestingly enough there is a downside with said soft prostitution FOR FEMALES who are among the severely economically disadvantaged AND THOSE WHO ARE ALSO “significant others”.

    They now contend with, and are the targets of , an increasing occurrence in STDs.

    So if we take Mr Cumberbatch ‘s definitions to heart most of our females are whores since they may inadvertently be giving up the pokerts for money or dinner or an expensive ring or half the house and most we men are whoremongers because we facilitate the transactions

    I was also interested in A part of the law mr Cumberbatch used

    “Any person who…

    (d) in any street, highway or public place accosts a passenger and offers to take him to the house or residence of a prostitute;…”

    So when you or I collect our buddies in a car an offer to carry them to visit Pornville’s house or when teachers carry schoolchildren to parliament on a tour, we or they are in fact guilty of the very crime detailed above?


  4. My buddy is building his wife a 2 million dollar home because his marriage has gone south. Now which one has made out like a bandit the soon to be ex or the girlfriend who got a couple of dinners and drinks for doing the same thing to him. Why is one is an evil prostitute and the other not. Why is it fair that the one with the monstrous fat ass be seen as a victim and the poor tight assed girl be vilified for trying to put food on the table. Some marriages are no more than legalized prostitution where the woman gets paid when the man dies rather than daily. The bar really hasnt been set to high by anyone else in govt.So lets see she may bend over backwards to please the people in her district.


  5. @Jeff

    Why don’t we jail the Johns?

    Prostitution and sex trafficking of both male and female victims is a significant social problem both in Barbados and around the world. It is not simply a nuisance to be kept out of view by the regulation of public display as the current legal regime seeks to do. It is a form of sexual exploitation that plagues the marginalised and underprivileged. We should consider the type of legislative reform that Canada did in 2014, which criminalized the PURCHASE of sexual services. Once we toss the Johns into Dodds we will alleviate a measure of pain and suffering.


  6. Jeff

    We too are saddened to hear of the passing of John Connell

    For if there was one man unafraid of Barrow and the other bigwigs of his time it was John Connell.

    Because of this, and other, he never got to play his best roll, we feel

    That roll would have better displaced his political courage

    A commodity which very few in our system have displayed.

    They certainly don’t make them from that mould anymore

    His detractors may say that he was not as committed to free market capitalism as they would want. but neither should we be. Coming from this culture we feel that made him a giant among ordinary men.

    We ask the great ancestors to receive him well

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In reading your article we were thinking about our interactions with Nelson Street in its heyday.

    Unfortunately, we could never be customers but later on we certainly had a number of clients who owned properties in the area, some of which were connected to the dominate sector.

    As we read your essay it seems that even that higher order of business might have been a violation of the law, as written, as explained by you.

    Another point your article glances, just barely, is that the culture of ‘sex work’ may not be as separated from regular female-male activities.

    Meaning, it occurred to us that some of the interactions of ‘people’ living together may well fall under the law covering prostitution although not specially deemed such.

    Lastly, we also see similarities between the ways the law talks about prostitution and those so engaged and the activities of politicians. There is such a similar ring to them that we invite you to disabuse us of this notion.

  7. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    David

    My comment is lost again. Could you please check?

  8. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    He who is without sin, cast the first stone at Natalie.

    Prostitution might be considered immoral by most people in this society but everyone knows that stealing money is not only immoral, it is also illegal. That being the case, I am not hearing the same clamour for action to be taken against those former paupers, who became millionaires overnight after being elected to the Honourable the House of Assembly.

    It is also immoral to hold on to Mr. Griffiths money and refuse to pay it over for years. That person was occupying not only a seat but the Speaker’s chair.

    In Barbados the concept of little sin and big sin; and little morality and big morality, is alive and well.

    Natalie did what she thought she had to do to support her family, at least she sold what was hers to sell. On the other hand, those persons, who had no shortage of cash to support their families, sold Paradise for a pittance and it was not theirs to sell. I would prefer Natalie in these circumstances.

    Unfortunately, if I lived in the city, she would not get my support because I am a credit union person and already have a pony in the race.

    ##############

  9. Pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    Pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Honourable Blogmaster mine was also held in suspense

  10. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Peter

    If you toss the johns in Dodds, they would go up there and get their sex for free of for cigarettes. It seems that you don’t understand the concept of any port for a storm.


  11. When did prostitution become legal?

    I believe it was the time some man declined to pay “Natlee” for her services and relieved her of some funds and ended up being charged after she lodged a complaint with the RBPF. If memory serves he was convicted of said crime but “Natlee” was not charged even though in her complaint she vividly admitted what they were doing and the location of said action.

    BTW doesn’t this activity occur right under the noses of the said RBPF in the environs of “The Main Guard” on a nightly basis? The RBPF considers it a victimless crime so they don’t waste time arresting folks plying their trade and if they arrest the wrong person they might find themselves sweating in the witness box under cross examination.
    Barbados is a small place.


  12. @Sargeant April 1, 2018 at 8:42 AM #
    When did prostitution become legal?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It always has been legal. Read Jeff’s article.

  13. Pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    Pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Sargeant

    Man you got me heah laughing bad with this statement “…and if they arrest the wrong person they might find themselves sweating in the witness box under cross examination…”

    You like you know what dem police patrol fellers does do when they are “patrolling” Bush Hill


  14. @Pacha

    You are saying you knew the owners of Castro and Zanzibar but you resistant what they had on offer as a core product?

  15. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Mr Blogmaster, the level of hypocrisy is really no more profound or indeed unexpected re Natlee’s candidacy compared to other controversial ones in the past.

    They have been candidates who were rabid racists, depraved liars or those who by the time they faced the polls were corrupted convicts…of course many of the top of mind examples leap off the pages of the international press rather than local histories but we are not immune to some of those from that list.

    However, seems to me that we derive greatest delight whenever talk of sex can be linked with politics (public figures actually).

    It’s beyond salacious to have that debate singularly around a basic act which we all do or try to do and enjoy immensely (for all of 20 minutes or 2)!

    I suggest that it just grates the sensibilities of many folks : WHY is Natlee suitable to sit in the House simply because she can man-handle turgid objects. Well then can’t we all… seems an indignant cry to me!

    We need to leave aside all the fake moralalizing and seek answers as @Pieces and others have : what does Natlee offer as a representative that can lead us forward? We do not need guidance on Bush Whacking or even updated lessons on a Shakespearean style “quicklyism”, so what does she OFFER!

    …Incidentally the Dean brought out further thoughts…have any prostitutes ever been prosecuted for same here in Bim?…And too thus have any of their clients or Johns ?

    I vaguely recall a case of a gentleman (of prior hotel ownership fame) on charges of the business enterprise of alleged prostitution but is prostitution a major action by Bajan police.

    One wonders if this public exposure will cause a hard police spotlight to be shone under that bush.

  16. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Ok Sargeant you answered my query…Johns have been convicted….was writing when you posted,


  17. @Sargeant April 1, 2018 at 8:42 AM #
    I believe it was the time some man declined to pay “Natlee” for her services and relieved her of some funds and ended up being charged after she lodged a complaint with the RBPF. If memory serves he was convicted of said crime…
    ++++++++++++++++

    So if i understand you Sargeant, the John was convicted of theft, not of any offense related to prostitution. Correct?


  18. I should wish to dedicate this column to the memory of Sir John Connell, eminent jurist, ardent conservationist, learned friend, brother and avid reader of this weekly essay who was called to higher service last week. I shall regret forever not having the opportunity to spend some time chatting with him as per his invitation last December. May his soul rest eternally in peace. (Quote)

    This is an admirable and decent recognition of someone whose life was a demonstration of the brilliance, ability and ambitions of a post-war generation of young men and women who are not recognised enough in our society.
    John was one of a number of young men and women, mainly men, who brought an awareness of what it meant to be academically ambitious and determined and who regarded poverty as part of the challenge.
    As a young man I remember listening to John, Keith Miller, Willis Wilkie, Aldon Browne, Calvin Alleyne, Don Blackman, and numerous others, who almost every Saturday night in the Ivy will debate current issues in to the early hours of the morning with respect for each other and profound understanding. In those days the Ivy was an open university.
    With no great university opportunities, all of them left Barbados to pursue further education in Europe and North America. Some, like John, returned to Barbados, while others chose to remain overseas.
    But they threw down a challenge to use the following generation; we knew we could not rest on our laurels and had to step up to the bench mark.
    In the case of Willis, John’s brother Arleigh, and in the early years Aldon, they mentored us and helped us to progress, for which we would be ever grateful.
    We knew that if we wanted to follow in their career footsteps, we had to match them at the very least.
    It was one reason why I never entertained the idea of a career as an advocate; in many ways, John’s aspirations and intelligence exposed the appalling classism of some who are now deified in our recent history.
    But to Mary and the children, his brothers Berry and Arleigh, and the rest of his family, I pass on my sincerest condolences. May he rest in peace.

  19. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @BU, I am in tears of laughter at the level of wit displayed in some of the comments here so far…

    Piece –
    “Any person who…

    (d) in any street, highway or public place accosts a passenger and offers to take him to the house or residence of a prostitute;…”

    So when you or I collect our buddies in a car an offer to carry them to visit Pornville’s house or when teachers carry schoolchildren to parliament on a tour, we or they are in fact guilty of the very crime detailed above?

    Caswell-
    Natalie did what she thought she had to do to support her family, at least she sold what was hers to sell. On the other hand, those persons, who had no shortage of cash to support their families, sold Paradise for a pittance and it was not theirs to sell. I would prefer Natalie in these circumstances

    If you toss the johns in Dodds, they would go up there and get their sex for free of for cigarettes. It seems that you don’t understand the concept of any port for a storm.

    DPD
    One wonders if this public exposure will cause a hard police spotlight to be shone under that bush.

  20. Fractured BLP Avatar

    https://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/local/cop-backs-plan-to-probe-data-harvesting/article_01430732-354f-11e8-9cca-c7d39465e894.html

    Allegations of any criminal act can be investigated at any time .

    So too the allegations of wire tapping in Barbados 🇧🇧

    MAM be careful !!!

    A word to the wise is enough !!!!


  21. Looks like Natlee and management team up on big foot strategy.

    Dear Ms. Harewood,

    It is with great regret that I am stepping down as your Campaign Manager effective from 31st March 2018. It is not in your best interest going forward, to have such a well known person who is still actively involved in the sex industry locally and internationally as your campaign manager. As you are aware, it was necessary in the beginning for me to step forward to manage your campaign as no qualified person in Barbados would dare accept this role for following reasons:

    1) The taboo nature of your former profession as a prostitute prevented suitaby qualified perons from publicly standing next you as your campaign manager.

    2) In the beginning, no one took you seriously when you announced your intention to enter the political arena.

    3) When it became clear that you were serious about your intentions, no one considered you a serious candidate.

    Now that your transformation from a prostitute into an election candidate who is most likely to win the Bridgetown seat is complete, I can no longer in good faith and conscience continue as your manager knowing that my reputation as well as my knowledge of the indescretions of so many people in local politics and the business circles could undermine the success of your compaign. Politics is a cruel, nasty game.

    With your current media success and popularity as a candidate, you will have no difficulty in finding a more suitably qualified person to replace me as your Campaign Manager.

    I am pleased to have played a major role in making the first phase of your campaign a huge success and I will continue to do whatever I can to support you in other ways. I look forward to you becoming the next parliamentary representative for The City of Bridgetown.

    Yours Sincerely

    Charlie Spice

    Source: http://votenatalie.com


  22. A people ALWAYS get exactly what they deserve.


  23. ‘If memory serves he was convicted of said crime but “Natlee” was not charged even though in her complaint she vividly admitted what they were doing and the location of said action.”

    it’s accosting a prostitute that is illegal…not the prostitution itself, he also robbed the prostitute, I guess Natlee knew the law better than he did…now he knows.


  24. @David
    Yours @10.16 am.

    This has been bandied about on some elements of social media, the scuttlebutt is that the new campaign manager is a well- known name on BU. Of course, events may prove me wrong……


  25. PLT yours @9.21 am

    Just pointing out to folks who don’t pay attention that even when the Police became aware that prostitution was being practiced they didn’t charge the individual(s) for any offence related to the act.

    The “John” was charged and convicted of robbery.


  26. What we really need is someone who goes into the brothel at the top of Broad Street and cleans it up.

    From the little I have seen, this avowed prostitute is simply looking to move her place of business from one brothel to another.

    So while there is nothing strange about the intended relocation ….. prostitutes and brothels go hand in hand …. we still will be stuck with the same brothel, operating the same way, replete with 30 prostitutes … except possibly for one who actually admits to being one.

    There is some debate as to whether Mary Magdalene was the adulterer who was told by Jesus … “Go and Sin no more” as already quoted.

    Has there been anything special about this avowed prostitute that could have caused the author/commenter to invoke the name of Mary Magdalene and the biblical passage … or is this just wishful thinking?

    Sin and the law, at the time Mosaic Law, are intertwined, to steal is both a sin and against the law.

    In the New Covenant, God forgives sin … that’s why we celebrate Easter which is of course today … Happy Easter All!!.

    God’s forgiveness supersedes any penalty the law might inflict.

    So … do we still end up with the same brothel, defined by the law, but oblivious to God?

    Here is the passage about the woman caught in adultery.

    1Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

    2And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

    3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

    4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

    5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

    6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

    7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

    8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

    9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

    10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

    11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


  27. The choice of admitting to being a prostitute is the easy part!!!!!!

    Takes absolutely no effort to do and is no big deal in today’s world!!!

    The CHOYCE to accept Jesus and follow Him is however a completely different matter.

    However, it is child’s play, … atleast to a child.

    Happy Easter!!


  28. The tomb is still empty!!


  29. 1At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

    2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

    3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

    5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

    6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.


  30. John I hope Natlee appreciates some of the tips you have given her.


  31. ah well…the prostitutes of parliament get away with all types of selling the citizen’s asses THROUGH PIMPING AND PANDERING, they just make sure they sell their own asses for million’s at the citizen’s expense…they dont call prostitution the world’s oldest profession for nothing, it’s legendary.

    Fractured blowback….ah guess it all blew up huh!!..lol….too much damage has been done, there is nothing to salvage, ya election helpmates are looking for holes to hide before a federal grand jury convenes..

    ….yall on ya own..it is not 2013 and Frundolittle’s 9 year streak of idiot’s luck finally ran right out..ha,ha, ha

    yall are famous, the info is all over FB.

    what a thing…lol

    what I was to know is which minister or collective of ministers or was it Fruendolitte on his own went actively seeking out SCL Cambridge Analytica to interfere in the 2013 election, yall owe the people that much….give us some names…it will come out anyhoo..

    ..the boys and gals at SCL are talking up a storm to international authorities and will call even more names when they get grand jury subpoenas and SEE handcuffs, no point keeping secrets now is there, so come clean.

    no wonder Fruendolittle is advising voters to prostitute themselves….that word again….by selling their votes.

    and here I was thinking that the opposition or concerned citizens would have to report this government for election irregularities to the UN…THIS ELECTION, little did I know that yall already put yaselves on international radars for dishonest election practices LAST ELECTION….foolish me.

    what a thing, I dont know any of yall.


  32. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK JEFF WHICH PART OF THAT HOUSE IS HONORABLE CALLED THE ASSEMBLY? THAT SLAVE HOUSE DOWN THERE? HAHAHAHAHA THAT PIECE OF SHIT THAT WAS BUILT IN 1639, AH STINKING HOUSE THAT DECIMATED US UNTO THIS DAY. TAKE AH GOOD LOOK IN THAT HOUSE U SAY HONORABLE, I SAY DISHONORABLE AND TELL ME WHAT U SEE? LET ME TELL U, THEY HAVE SOME OPEN PROSTITUTES AND SOME DECENT PROSTITUTES, BUT GIVE ME AN OPEN PROSTITUTE ANY TIME, THEM DON’T TRY TO TRICK YA, THE LET U KNOW UP FROM WHATS WHAT, BUT THE ONES WHO SEE AN ANT CRAWLING AN PLAY THE SIDE STEPPING IT OR DON’T SAY MUCH IST THE WORSE TYPE TO DEAL WID….NATLEE HAVE AH RIGHT LIKE ANYBODY ELSE IF ELECTED TO BE IN THAT STINKING HOUSE…..HE WHO IS WITH SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE AT HER…..JESUS FORGAVE MANY PROSTITUTES, ARE WE GREATER THAN HIM? WHO IS WE THAT BELIEVE WE ARE SUPERIOR TO OTHERS?


  33. Does it matter when the parliament was built or what it is used for by the incumbents.


  34. ” hagiolatry “.

    Thanks Jeff.


  35. She isn’t in my constituency so I have no problems pondering if to vote for her …

    ,,,, but if she were, the only way she would get my vote is

    …. if the only other choices were BLP or DLP!!

    I am not interested in having a novelty whose only claim as far as I can see is her novelty status but I sure as hell do not want B or D!!.


  36. Miller….ya missing, can you believe the nerve, the gall, the hypocrisy and dishonesty oozing out of that cursed parliament from those deceitful frauds who were so focused on deceiving the electorate so as to prostitute themselves again for 5 more years, that it never once occurred to any of them, that they would become world famous for dishonest election practices in 2013.

    I bet if asked they will justify by telling ya…wuh everybody else do it too.

    the only explanation ya can expect to get from those with limited intellects..

    ah can’t wait.


  37. First, he notes, the section is a composite of s. 30(5) and s. 32 of the Sexual Offences Act 1956 in England with slight modification. These provisions in the English Act had re-enacted in almost the same words a provision of the Vagrancy Act 1898 (UK) under which male persons who lived on the earnings of prostitution or who solicited for immoral purposes were deemed rogues and vagabonds within the meaning of the Vagrancy Act 1824…”(Quote)

    The main provisions of the 1824 Vagrancy Act were nothing to do with prostitution, but with the disabled discharges from the Napoleanic wars – amputees begging on the streets, palm readers, etc.
    It is an Act that was dusted off to be used against young black men in the 1970s, the so-called muggers.

  38. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    The main provisions of the 1824 Vagrancy Act were nothing to do with prostitution, but with the disabled discharges from the Napoleanic wars – amputees begging on the streets, palm readers, etc

    No one is saying that the 1824 Act dealt with prostitution, Hal. The quoted author speaks rather of a provision of the Vagrancy Act 1898 (UK) under which male persons who lived on the earnings of prostitution or who solicited for immoral purposes were deemed rogues and vagabonds…

    within the meaning of the Vagrancy Act 1824 whose long title was as follows-

    CAP. LXXXIII.

    An Act for the Punishment of idle and disorderly Persons, and *Rogues andVagabonds, in that
    Part of Great Britain called England, [21stJune1824.]*

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    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Exploitation of prostitution/Causing or inciting prostitution for gain

    A person commits an offence if—
    (a) he intentionally causes or incites another person to become a prostitute in any part of the world, and
    (b) he does so for or in the expectation of gain for himself or a third person
    .

    The more modern version…note that the prostitute appears to be treated here as a victim

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    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Hal, am I missing something? The section that you recaped did not in my reading the first time nor now interpret as you suggest…

    …just taking the words as written with no further research to the original docs they do not suggest that the 1982 Act had anything to do with prostitution but rather with persons defined as “rogues and vagabonds”.

    I presume there is room for your interpretation (you are drawing a direct line from 1824 Act to thev1956 Act) but it seems quite a misdirection to me as I interpret that the Dean cites Hall’s work to highlight the link in the definition of rogues/vagabonds in the ’24 Act to ’56 Act and current. There is no intent to link prostitution itself from then to now as I see it.

    I highlight all that merely to reflect the interpretations of the written word by BUians who obviously are quite well educated, many very well -read and very ecperinced. All that helps me to understand that pure intelligence and education in and of itself must ALWAYS be taken in context of how careful is the analysis.

    Thus (to get to the main point 😁) we can often dismiss some (surely not all) interpretations of intelligent scholars on BU as lacking careful analysis…!

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    de pedantic Dribbler

    Oops, @Jeff…you should have told me you were in process of setting that use-of- English class on track and I would have stayed in my corner.

    I see my post was totally superfluous. Oh dear!


  42. John that’s what I meant by tips


  43. Jeff Cumberbatch April 1, 2018 at 3:26 PM #

    The author is implying that any male convicted for living off prostitution “were deemed rogues and vagabonds”.
    I am suggesting that the author has expanded, or has interpreted the new legislation as an expansion, of the definition of rogue and vagabond. Or, simply, misunderstood the issues.
    I am saying that the original 1824 interpretation had nothing to do with living off immoral earnings, unless parliament interpreted it as such. That was not an implied or expressed interpretation of the 1824 legislation (although some historian have made this mistake).
    In the early 19th century, an unmarried woman living with a man would be considered a prostitute.
    Prostitution only became a crime in England and Wales under a successive Contagious Diseases Acts (1864, 1866 and 1869).
    So, by 1898, the term prostitution had a totally different meaning, the popular understanding meant women who sold their bodies for sex – the contemporary meaning. In fact, the 1898 Act was meant mainly to catch male prostitutes, which was prevalent in London at the time.
    I am suggesting that if the courts in England and Wales – from magistrate courts to the Supreme Court – had to re-interpret the 1898 legislation they will gladly overturn it.
    The 1824 legislation was specific, meant to deal with a particular social problem, the war-damaged returnees begging on the streets of London.
    Had it intended to deal with prostitution it would have mentioned that expressly since prostitution at the time was all over London (one estimate put it at 50000), and was treated more as a nuisance than a serious social problem such as homelessness and street begging.
    @Jeff Cumberbatch April 1, 2018 at 3:26 PM # I know you are well read, but may I suggest Prostitution: Prevention and Reform in England, 1860-1914.I .

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    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Hal, with all due respect, you are missing the point. The 1824 Act created the concept of the demption of certain offenders as rogues and vagabonds, not that men living off the earnings of prostitution were such.

    The writer is simply saying that the 1898 Vagrancy Act included in that demption men who lived off the earnings of prostitution or solicited for immoral purposes, whatever those are. Have you read any of these Acts?


  45. Jeff Cumberbatch April 1, 2018 at 5:11 PM #

    I studied the 1824 Act. It was far more important in 1970s British race relation than you may imagine.


  46. @Professor Cumberbatch “Also relevant in this connection, one supposes, is section 3 (1) (c) to the effect that “any person who … wilfully, openly, lewdly and obscenely exposes his person”

    I’ve heard that this law applies only to men, as legally women do not have “persons”

    is this true?


  47. @whiteHill April 1, 2018 6:56 AM “it struck fear in me that so many women are part time pussy sellers.”

    Would’t be so many sellers, were there not so many byers.


  48. @lawson April 1, 2018 8:22 AM “My buddy is building his wife a 2 million dollar home because his marriage has gone south. Now which one has made out like a bandit the soon to be ex or the girlfriend who got a couple of dinners and drinks for doing the same thing to him. Why is one is an evil prostitute and the other not.”

    Because one has been a wife, and marriage is privileged by societies, probably in the hope that married people will behave themselves and reproduce a good society?

    Except sometimes they don’t.


  49. I thought that was religions job producing a good society. kennedys father was a bootlegger, trumps grandfather a brothel owner, anderson coopers family slave owners, lives can be turned around give her a chance you may be surprised.


  50. @ Simple Simon, I was wondering where are you, when you were gonna add your two cents worth. True to form, you come with the economic aspect of pussy selling; supply and demand. ” If there weren’t buyers, there would be no sellers.” I’ve heard in recent times of young men selling their pooch/ass as a means to an end, This bothers and disgusts me to no ends, it pained me to see how our society has degenerated to such low and the ramifications of this practice, I wasn’t as flippant as you -” supply and demand.” Seriously, for most of my life I felt that I was too much a ” Hard seed” to buy pokey directly, I did find some comfort in the arms/laps/bosoms of those ladies who gave with some expectations. It never escaped me as the gentleman Piece of the rock alluded, the STDs that they might take home to their men/husbands. Fortunately, such wasn’t the case and the schmuck at home didn’t get the blame, at least not while I was fooping their women. Of course in recent years I’ve grown very ” scornful” and now I wouldn’t even foop you Simple Simon even if you paid me.

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