Many have struggled in recent days to recall a period in history when weather systems developed to Category 4 & 5 before leaving the space of the Northern Caribbean. Clearly there is enough evidence to draw a reasonable conclusion that we have entered a period in which the region will have to contend with more intense weather systems. While it seems a simple conclusion for the BU household to make others argue that it is a manufactured idea.
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@ David September 24, 2017 at 1:27 AM
“The 64k question Ping Pong appears to be interested in the answer is if the natural sink of carbon dioxide is not keeping pace with emissions what are the possible scenarios that it could lead to climate change?”
That is precisely the pivotal point around which the discussion should resonate to be the fulcrum of scientifically-established knowledge which only the key of mathematics can address.
We already know that that the major natural sinks for ‘natural’ carbon emissions have all along been the Oceans, ‘seas’ and rivers which make up approx. 70% of the planet’s surface along with the sustainer of life of all fauna, trees; especially in the form of the disappearing Amazonia a massive carbon-absorbing sink basin and the other rain forests’ circumferencing’ that vulnerably fragile jewel of an orb worn by a galactic goddess called Gaia.
So the question still remains as to where those ‘superfluous’ carbon emissions are ending up since the rate of absorption of those emissions caused by human consumption of fossil fuels to support a lifestyle of modern convenience over the last 200 years (and which took Mother Nature hundreds of thousands to absorb) is getting increasingly slower than the rate the overflowing sinks are able to take in.
Can’t it be, by a stretch of a fertile and highly ‘carbonized’ imagination, the fuel provided for the phenomena of rising sea levels and observably more consistently intense hurricanes and typhoons arising from both sides of the Equator belt depending on which time of the solar year mankind’s God is basking in full glory?
Somewhat an analogous question to that facing the rate of decline in Barbados’s foreign exchange reserves to prop up an already unsustainable rate of unearned conspicuous consumption of materially unnecessary imported goods like bottled water and gas-preserved exotic fruits.
Let us agree it ends up in the atmosphere so that we have a higher concentration, then what?
Again, I repost
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/CO2-and-global-warming-faq.html#.WcfK9ciGNpk
Also read this
https://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-dioxide-absorbs-and-re-emits-infrared-radiation
Not chemical, but physical properties are at play
Or could it be that earth is moving nearer to hell?
Deniers cause prolong the debate and cause inaction.
Deniers prolong the debate and cause inaction.
Theo, spoken like a good Lawyer or politician!
Just cut the emissions that are likely to pollute so the air is cleaner—it is that simple.
Develop new and better technologies for Electrics etc
@Moneybrain
Are you aware what is the contribution of our region (Caribbean) to the emissions fog?
WW,
Actually, I was in Dominica in Mar 2015, went across the island especially to see the forests AND even more importantly the Native Carib Reserve( which I traversed with a qualified guide). Nature has a tendency to work in series eg major Earthquakes in Japan, Haiti etc. Proves nothing scientifically.
Please note I did say Skerrit is not culpable!!!
`Skerrit is the CONSUMATE politician—his thinking is that these idiots want to believe in carbon footprint etc so that is how I will make my impassioned appeal for HELP! Gime the $$$$$$. I certainly dont find him culpable!
MoneyB…have you seen the damage done to Dominica….have you seen their rain forest before Cat5 Maria and then after….well it does not resemble a rain forest anymore and it was one of the most beautiful, outside of the Amazon…
while the island has a centuries old history of brutal hurricanes, they are normally spread out over 60…70…80 year periods and one,maybe 2 at a time, but not a series…
besides…..the climate change and carbon emission deniers are only denying without bringing any credible alternatives outside the findings of credible scientists.
David, I dont have the numbers on C’bean emissions BUT with all the hot air and verbal excrement it could be humongous pollution lol
MoneyB…dont know if you noticed, but hurricanes and earthquakes seem to be working hand in hand, even more so than centuries ago, there were at least 7 or 8 in a 2 week period 5 in 5 different countries and 3 in Mexico alone…
but you get tremors outside of hurricane season mostly, since faultl ines run through the earth, they are most likely to happen everywhere individually or simultaneously…..so that puts them in a different category…..
but….this season seismologists could not tell the difference between Cat5 Irma, Maria and an earthquake, they both registered on the seismometer richter scale as earthquakes….both times..
so explain that.
WW,
Telling the difference between an Earthquake and a Hurricane should be very easy. Scientists should conduct a very detailed check of their equipment something must be broken!
MoneyB…nothing that simplistic..
nothing was broken…both hurricanes were so powerful, they registered as earthquakes…if you spoke to people throughout the islands they say the same thing, even in Barbados certain areas people`s houses were shaking as in an earthquake…even worse in the destroyed countries..
none of this can be taken lightly.
WW,
Obviously at 150 mph winds will shake everything like an Earthquake!!!!
How many large, strongly built concrete buildings pancaked down as in an Earthquake?
I was thinking about the data which shows the increase of CO2 so I decided to take a look.
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/the-last-time-co2-was-this-high-humans-didnt-exist-15938
https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/
The graph of CO2 in the atmosphere is a representation of samples taken at an observatory in Hawaii.
So I thought to myself, what would the corresponding graph look like if readings had been taken in the middle of the Amazon Rain Forest where there is an abundance of trees.
Then I thought, from where does the comparative data come?
The answer “Ancient air bubbles trapped in ice enable us to step back in time and see what Earth’s atmosphere, and climate, were like in the distant past”
Then I said, but from where on earth were these tiny bubbles taken?
Answer, unspecified.
… but probably not in the same place as the observatory.
What strikes me more than the rise in the graph is the cyclical nature and its disappearance.
So I thought, if trees and vegetation absorb CO2 and produce oxygen the cyclical nature of the graph pre now could be the appearance and disappearance of ice ages.
What happens when everything freezes?
Trees and vegetation are covered by ice,
Perhaps most living organisms are wiped out.
So, looking at the graph with that thinking perhaps the periodic lows are attributable to the appearance of green matter the concentrations of which grow with time leading to a fall in the levels of CO2.
Enter an ice age.
CO2 rises because earth’s lungs are killed.
… and the process repeats itself.
Hence the cyclical nature.
Suppose we are killing earth’s lungs by rapid deforestation of the planet?
The CO2 levels will rise.
But, does it mean the temperature will rise?
Perhaps what we need to try first if we want CO2 levels to fall is stop the deforestation and plant trees …. nuff of them.
So, I will do my little bit.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/deforestation-and-global-warming/
“By most accounts, deforestation in tropical rainforests adds more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere than the sum total of cars and trucks on the world’s roads. According to the World Carfree Network (WCN), cars and trucks account for about 14 percent of global carbon emissions, while most analysts attribute upwards of 15 percent to deforestation.”
By doing this alone it may be possible to cut CO2 concentrations by half.
This would get the level into the range from the past.
Going to electric cars is no use because the electricity source that recharges the batteries is from the burning of hydrocarbons … and ….
https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/
“In fact, manufacturing an electric vehicle generates more carbon emissions than building a conventional car, mostly because of its battery, the Union of Concerned Scientists has found.”
I saw many in St. Maarten, Martin…..hotels split in half…or pulled out of their foundations…Bransons buildings were flattened, every island that felt the outer walls of those hurricane”s eyes….the photos were everywhere, how did you miss them.
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/100772/tyson-reality
“Six months ago, Tyson Henry would never have imagined telling the tale of surviving the ordeal of living through a Category 5 hurricane. It is now almost a week after Hurricane Maria hit Dominica and Henry is still reeling from the effects of the devastating tropical cyclone. Henry migrated to Dominica earlier this year to take up a new post, working alongside Prime Minister Roosevelt Skerrit.”
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjBm7eG0b7WAhUY7GMKHcxOAS4QFggnMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F1887_Atlantic_hurricane_season&usg=AFQjCNHL4ZmsM0XwzYQYBdfJcUsp2rNfVQ
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjBm7eG0b7WAhUY7GMKHcxOAS4QFggyMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F1888_Atlantic_hurricane_season&usg=AFQjCNGxpjFuH4XixcpEIMs_tlhjPKAdVA
Less pollution should be the objective not wasting time trying to figure out what causes global warming, which maybe a result of Solar Cycles. We have had cycles of cooling ie ice sheets grow and then cycles of warming when Ice sheets melt for thousands and maybe millions of years. There was a mile of ice thickness over Toronto 12,000 years ago.
Did man cause that to melt by Global Warming? Think about that my friends?
@Moneybrain
Who is it that promised to restore coal mining jobs again?
The 1887 Atlantic hurricane season was the third most active Atlantic hurricane season on record, tying with the 1995, 2010, 2011, and the 2012 seasons for third most number of storms. Wikipedia
Hurricanes: 11
Total storms: 19
First system formed: May 15, 1887
Last system dissipated: December 12, 1887
Total fatalities: 2
Total fatalities: 2
1886, 1887, 1888, 1889, 1890. The 1888 Atlantic hurricane season ran through the summer and the first half of fall in 1888.
Hurricanes: 6
Total storms: 9
Major hurricanes (Cat. 3+): 2
Total damage: $2.7 million (1888 USD)
Money Brain, September 24, 2017 at 4:17 PM #
Yup…..on point.
David some fool wants to restore those jobs and there are other fools that dont understand that Nuclear plants properly designed, located and built, of the G5 variety, dont pollute!!!
G5s use a higher % of the Uranium and the French use Nuclear for 80% of their power generation and know how to store the little that remains unused. (in very deep “swimming pools”designed for that purpose.
David
Chuckle…….you gotta get a laugh sign for these posts…….that was a good one.
@ Moneybrain who wrote ” The most wicked Hurricane to hit Bim that we know of was the 1780 wildbeast that killed 4,000+ and eventually 22,000+ in the Cbean.”
Please tell me how many stone buildings existed in the Caribbean in 1780.
Hants,
The winds are estimated to have been 200+mph in 1780.
Obviously the number killed does not equate with Cat rating / wind speed.
Hurricane Mitch killed 11,000+ in Honduras/ Nicaragua in 1989 because it stopped moving forward for 2 days and therefore dropped plenty water on the mountains which caused flooding and mudslides.
Water is the key along with forward movement, total size, terrain involved etc.
So, if vegetation is one of the keys to reducing CO2 levels then the worst offender in the Caribbean has to be …… Haiti.
You hear there is a stark dividing line between Haiti and Santo Domingo visible from the air.
Then I thought let me really take a look and see.
https://news.vice.com/story/one-of-the-most-repeated-facts-about-deforestation-in-haiti-is-a-lie
It seems to be a lie!!
That is the most pleasant revelations I have had for a while.
Has anyone been to Haiti and walked in the mountains?
Can any one contradict or confirm the article above?
John September 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM #
I was in Santo Domingo in the ’90s and went to the border between the two and after driving through lush greenery all I could see from the border town on the other side was barren land,totally denuded.
Over the next five years, as Wampler crisscrossed Haiti for his research, he began to undergo a cognitive dissonance. “I heard that 2 percent number quoted everywhere,” he said. “All the news outlets had this narrative that it’s the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere and has 2 percent forest cover. But I’d been to these mountainous areas and seen forest cover that was more than 2 percent. I could see it with my own eyes.”
He began searching for the original source of the forest-cover statistic. To his surprise, he couldn’t find one. The few citations he discovered in scientific studies couldn’t be substantiated. Some scientific and development literature used a 4 percent estimate that came from the Food and Agriculture Organization, a United Nations agency. That number also struck him as too low.
Wampler, a professor at Michigan’s Grand Valley State University, uses geographic information systems and satellite imagery frequently in his work, and he decided to employ them to satisfy his curiosity about the trees in Haiti. He enlisted several students and began gathering high-resolution imagery of the island from LandSat, the database operated by the United States Geological Survey. Stitching together images from 2010 and 2011, he formed a mosaic that covered the entire country. He combined the images in three wavelengths to highlight vegetation and then trained a computer to spot trees in the images. To check the accuracy, he manually compared the computer’s automated analysis to random samples chosen from Google Earth.
Let’s hope there was a change in the past 20 years.
The land is fertile
John,
I have had a sense for many years now that the Lefty “leaders”, Environmentalists etc have a tendency to LIE profusely and very frequently to brainwash the populace into believing what suits the Left. Herr Goebbels is not dead!
People forget that many millions have been murdered by the far Left “leaders” in the last 100yrs.–Stalin, Mao for starters.
In the case of Haiti it maybe justified based on securing a reforestation program in certain key areas. Those that really care would be pushing for the homes that were supposed to be built after the Earthquake of 2010.
When the results came back, his first thought was that he had to do the whole process again. “Let’s check this 10 times to make sure it’s right,” he told his colleagues. According to their analysis, Haiti’s forest cover was more than 32 percent.
Wampler wondered whether they had set a sufficient minimum area for tree cover. So they used the FAO’s definition of a “forest,” which includes trees higher than 5 meters (about 16 feet) covering at least half a hectare. He ran the analysis again. The computer estimated Haiti’s forest coverage at nearly 30 percent, a number similar to the coverage in the United States, France, and Germany, and far higher than in Ireland and England. Wampler had discovered a rarity in today’s world: a good-news environmental story in one of the planet’s poorest countries. But then he had a troubling thought: “People won’t like this.”
“It doesn’t fit the narrative” that poverty causes deforestation and deforestation exacerbates poverty, he said. Foreign governments, charities, development banks, and the foreign media tend to present this relationship as an indisputable fact. “Organizations use this statistic as a lever to get funding and help. For them, it’s a lot more convenient to have a narrative that works.”
He had discovered a rarity in today’s world: a good-news environmental story in one of the planet’s poorest countries. But then he had a troubling thought: “People won’t like this.”
Environmentalists and development experts have drawn a connection between overpopulation, ecological devastation and poverty for decades. “The narrative about overpopulation — and deforestation is usually not far behind — is what’s called a blueprint narrative,” said Jade Sasser, a professor of gender and sexuality studies at the University of California, Riverside. “It gets applied in a variety of different development settings regardless of local history and situations.” Blueprint narratives, first described by policy analyst Emery Roe in 1991, proffer ready-made diagnoses of environmental problems — overgrazing by cattle in Africa leads to desertification, for instance — but the solutions are often unsuited to local contexts and conditions.
Such narratives can also dehumanize. One area of Sasser’s research looks at how Western NGOs portray the poor, often communities of color, as environmentally unaware and in need of outside intervention. In reality, she said, local communities often use “nature” in ways that just don’t fit the notions of pristine wilderness at the heart of many conservation policies.
Paul Robbins, a political ecologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, called the environmental movement’s blaming of the poor for deforestation an “obsession” that is both “ironic” and “empirically questionable.” In West Africa, for example, the idea that local communities have caused deforestation is orthodoxy among development and environmental policymakers, but analysis of historical data and first-person accounts rarely support it.
Wampler had debunked the myth of how many trees were in Haiti, but his findings, published in the International Journal of Applied Earth Observation and Geoinformation in 2014, didn’t gain much traction among environmentalists or development agencies. The World Bank, USAID, Oxfam America and multiple United Nations agencies still cite a stat of 1 to 4 percent for forest cover in Haiti. (A USAID spokesperson who was aware of Wampler’s study agreed that the correct figure for tree cover is likely between 32 and 40 percent but defended the 2 percent statistic as referring to “original forest cover,” meaning before European contact.)
“It’s been controversial in some circles,” Wampler said. “Some people don’t want to talk about it. It’s not the story that they want to tell about Haiti.”
So the Environmentalists are LIARS about Haiti, they had no basis whatsoever for the quoted stat on forest coverage being 2-4%. Research showed 32 % BUT they wont acknowledge this fact either as it does NOT fit their narrative.
This what is wrong with the Western World today the Left encourages fantasies and then tries to stop intelligent debate and discussion! Honesty, the truth are irrelevant.
Thanks for that info John.
MB
It is from the Internet.
Caveat Emptor
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/who-will-speak-for-haitis-trees.html?mcubz=1
NY Times seems to be confirming.
Amazing how truth can get bushwhacked!!
Given the level of misinformation around I now even doubt the articles.
If true though, this is great news.
In my time at the border,not a tree was in sight nor any grass but as you said after 20 years who knows.
Here we go again……the seller of snake oil.
https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/videos/10154774597806479/
Yes we must help our bros/ sistas in Dominica.
UPDATE: As part of the whole-of-government response to the state of emergency declared by
the Dominican government on September 22, the HMCS St. John’s is en route to Dominica to
provide humanitarian assistance. HMCS St. John’s is expected to arrive on station tomorrow morning.
@ John September 24, 2017 at 2:45 PM
“What strikes me more than the rise in the graph is the cyclical nature and its disappearance.
So I thought, if trees and vegetation absorb CO2 and produce oxygen the cyclical nature of the graph pre now could be the appearance and disappearance of ice ages.
What happens when everything freezes?
Trees and vegetation are covered by ice,
Perhaps most living organisms are wiped out.
So, looking at the graph with that thinking perhaps the periodic lows are attributable to the appearance of green matter the concentrations of which grow with time leading to a fall in the levels of CO2.
Enter an ice age.
CO2 rises because earth’s lungs are killed.
… and the process repeats itself.
Hence the cyclical nature.
Suppose we are killing earth’s lungs by rapid deforestation of the planet?
The CO2 levels will rise.
But, does it mean the temperature will rise?
Perhaps what we need to try first if we want CO2 levels to fall is stop the deforestation and plant trees …. nuff of them.”
Really, really Sir John you really must discontinue with this Jekyll and Hyde disguise of pure intellectual disingenuity.
With one foot in your mouth you want to run with the scientific-minded and much maligned hares but with the other Quaker foot in a Genesis cast you want to jump on the Judeo-Christian bandwagon driven by Dr. GP and his batty sidekick Zoe whipping the poor bigoted hounds of religion in a futile pursuit to kill their quarry of knowledge and enlightenment (Illuminati).
How can you ‘objectively’ discuss such geological and climatological phenomena such as ‘ice ages’- whether major or mini- spreading across timelines in the thousands (if not millions) of years but can still be so naïvely daft as to believe in a 6,000-10,000 years existence of planet Earth peddled by batty Zoe, that biblical snake-oil salesman?
Can we conclude that you are blissfully unaware or even deliberately stupid like Zoe to have never heard about the “Pleistocene Epoch” during which the planet experienced many ‘ice ages’ with the most recent mini version ending about 11,000 to 12,000 solar years ago, giving some credence to the Noah and the Ark fable in your book of myths?
No wonder the wooly mammoth found it terminally impossible to bask in the glory of sunshine when it exited Noah’s icebox (refrigerated luxury liner)!
GP, very interesting.
tHIS ARTICLE IS FOR CRUSOE MB AND THOSE WHO CAN UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE EXPERIMENT DESCRIBED AND DETAILED HERE
A Bomb Explodes the Global Warming Myth
http://constitution.com/bomb-explodes-global-warming-myth/
@Georgie Porgie September 25, 2017 at 2:05 PM #
“A Bomb Explodes the Global Warming Myth”
This is so risible it defies description. The author has not a single clue about the mechanisms of climate change. I am saddened that people can’t see through this nonsense.
MTA
Mankind did not come into the picture from day 1, neither did living creatures.
Do more humans on the planet produce more CO2?
Yup, whether they had cars or not.
So we have a rising world population and a rising CO2 level.
Of ourselves we produce CO2 by breathing.
Our activities include deforestation and driving cars.
One day some bright spark may come up with a proposal to reduce world population levels!
That could reduce CO2 levels if the only aim was to reduce CO2 levels for the sake of reducing CO2 levels.
Dr Judith Curry, Climatologist, Chair School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at Georgia Tech:
“Climate Change is a very complex issue and I am concerned that we have oversimplified both the CC problem and solutions.
We need to have a wide ranging debate about all this and those trying to stifle debate are shortchanging the science, the policy process and our democracy. We understand some basic things like we know there has been warming, we know humans have been emitting carbon dioxide, but there is widespread disagreement on how much of recent warming is caused by humans, how much climate will change in the 21st C is warming bad or not and what if anything can we do about it. All of these are topics of intense. There are very complex topics.
Climate has always changed is warming intrinsically good or bad? There is much uncertainty about what might happen and whether the impacts are good or bad is fundamentally a value judgement.Some people might benefit and some might be harmed. “
@Moneybrain
A good summation of the issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wXWxhGxcSk
Prof Soon on Artic Sea Ice and Solar Cycles
Were the scientists able to get CO2 levels in the past 6000 years?
I doubt it.
When exactly was the last ice age?
John
Chuckle……we’ll put.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXxHfb66ZgM
Nobel Laureate in Physics, “Global Warming is Pseudoscience”
@Money Brain, September 24, 2017 at 11:03 PM “When the results came back, his first thought was that he had to do the whole process again. “Let’s check this 10 times to make sure it’s right,” he told his colleagues. According to their analysis, Haiti’s forest cover was more than 32 percent. Wampler wondered whether they had set a sufficient minimum area for tree cover. So they used the FAO’s definition of a “forest,” which includes trees higher than 5 meters (about 16 feet) covering at least half a hectare. He ran the analysis again. The computer estimated Haiti’s forest coverage at nearly 30 percent, a number similar to the coverage in the United States, France, and Germany, and far higher than in Ireland and England
Why don’t you ask those many many Bajans who fly between Jamaica and Barbados everyday about Haiti’s lack of forest cover. The first time I went to Jamaica I had a 7 year old with me, she always takes the window seat, Nowadays I don’t take the window seat because of circulatory problems and the need to get up frequently and looking out of the plane window she said “what is the matter with down there” and I leaned down looked down and saw the brown. She had also noticed that passing over the other islands there was an umbrella of cloud cover, over Haiti, no such umbrella.
But maybe my 7 year old was lying in order to disprove Wampler.
That was in October 2003.
I was shocked. I had heard that Haiti was deforested, but I did not expect that a 7 year old who did not even know anything about Haiti would notice the deforestation and ask “what is wrong”
Another saying “From out of the mouth of babes and sucklings shall come forth words of wisdom.”
Ask the hundreds of Bajan students who have to overfly Haiti multiple times each year.
@ Money Brain, September 25, 2017 at 11:21 PM #
Judith Curry is coherent and correct. The fuss over climate change is not about its impact on the planet, just about its impact on people. The climate has always changed… the only difference now is that human activities are causing some of that change. This is not a problem for the planet… the planet does not care if we have more powerful hurricanes or rising sea levels or huge floods; these things are catastrophic for humans but the planet caries on regardless.
If you care about human suffering you care about anthropogenic climate change… if you don’t care you can afford to ignore all the warning signs
@Money Brain, September 26, 2017 at 7:14 AM #
“Nobel Laureate in Physics, “Global Warming is Pseudoscience””
He is an expert in superconductivity who spent, according to this speech, “spent a day or so… half a day maybe… on Google and was horrified by what […he] learned.”
The deforestation of Haiti is so bad that even an innocent child, or maybe I should say especially an innocent child notices it.
Innocent children have no agendas, no preconceived notions.
Sorry the child was 10 and in class 4B.
Simpy,
No one is disputing that there has been deforestation the question is how much is left.
How does your fine child and yourself know where Haiti begins and ends?
@ John September 25, 2017 at 6:59 PM
“Mankind did not come into the picture from day 1, neither did living creatures.”
Agree! They were indeed the last to ‘arrive’ on the scene and to find a perch on a shaky branch on the evolutionary tree of life.
Let’s us say on your ‘biblical’ Day Six in the measurement of cosmic time.
Clearly trees (flora) had to exist before fauna; first to remove the carbon from the atmosphere to produce oxygen, purify the water and secondly to provide food for sentient beings to appear and exist.
But let us talk more about the heavenly-dictated guardian role with which mankind has been entrusted to be the caretaker of the garden containing that tree of life.
What mankind is doing to the garden is equivalent to what Bajans are doing to the country’s drainage system designed and constructed by their forefathers to channel the tears of Mother Nature to the sea with some siphon off to sustain human life on land.
Let them continue to block its arteries with plastic and other man-made objects and they will soon see which watery god they are serving whether it be Hapi, Poseidon or Neptune carrying an unbroken trident in their hands.
Maybe Thomas Malthus was onto something that you are now promoting. BTW, he was such an excellent scholar it’s a pity he was an Anglican cleric and not of the Quaker persuasion.
One would think that there would be a diversity of views regarding climate change among the Trump supporters on this blog but they all seem to walk lockstep like lemmings going over a cliff……
Let’s us say on your ‘biblical’ Day Six in the measurement of cosmic time.
Clearly trees (flora) had to exist before fauna; first to remove the carbon from the atmosphere to produce oxygen, purify the water and secondly to provide food for sentient beings to appear and exist.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What exactly is cosmic time?
If it is true that there was no time until God made it, pretty difficult to hammer down time.
Why not go and look just at the cycles in the graph and see if they are consistent with the story of creation.
Why aren’t there more?
Forget the time scale on the horizontal axis, just look at the cycles.
I have not spent much time looking so won’t venture an opinion but if I needed proof, scientific proof, that’s where I would begin.
… but, I don’t need proof!!
Clearly trees (flora) had to exist before fauna; first to remove the carbon from the atmosphere to produce oxygen, purify the water and secondly to provide food for sentient beings to appear and exist.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So you accept there is a designer in all of this …. science is proving it in front of you!!
Put time out of your mind and look only at the order
@ John September 26, 2017 at 10:01 AM
“So you accept there is a designer in all of this …. science is proving it in front of you!!”
Of course there is a designer. Actually, more than one BBE.
The Solar One that created the planets (children) and the other visiting BBEs that modified monkey man.
All you have to do is to read between the lines in the mythological pages of a legendary book.
“And God {Yahweh the Big BBE} said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
“When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them.”
The imagery of the Five-pointed star (Pentagram) is not used by King David ‘pagan’ Jews for the sport of slaying Goliath or worn by Wicca Christians for protection to ward off the wounds of evil Islam for stoning the Christian devil called Saytan.
Neither should its symbolism be lost on you.
The same way a thousand years is the cosmic equivalent to a solar day of your Lord Yahweh, so too should your understanding of cosmic time be informed bearing in mind that the words million and billion are of post Tyndale usage.
“But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.”
Much indifference to the plight of the folks in Puerto Rico who are facing a humanitarian crisis after Maria by the current occupant of the WH. Since the majority in PR speaks Spanish is it possible he thinks they are Mexican?
@ Sargeant,
I hope you will have discussions with your fellow Bajancanadians about hurricane preparedness.
There are lessons to be learned. Barbados is a paradise but not during a hurricane.
Canadian warship arrives at hurricane-ravaged island to find ‘near total devastation’
https://globalnews.ca/news/3769391/dominica-hurricane-maria-near-total-devastation/
Sarge wrote,
One would think that there would be a diversity of views regarding climate change among the Trump supporters on this blog but they all seem to walk lockstep like lemmings going over a cliff……
Sarge, they must be crazy to diverge from what is forced fed by Leftists (aka Limo Libs, Hypocritical Profiteers like Al Whore)—Those fellas must be DEPLORABLES!
Why do these chaps not stick their heads in the trough too? Yes, just blindly swill.
Sarge, did man made CC melt the 1 mile thick ice that was covering Toronto 12,000 years ago?????
The first weekend of fall proved to be one of the hottest of the year in southern Ontario and Quebec as heat warnings spanned the area and continue into the week.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/children-stuck-in-schools-with-no-a-c-as-heat-hits-ontario-quebec-1.3605001
Hants,
So that proves we had a COOLER Summer than normal by several degrees. Using similar logic to those who think that this Hurricane season proves something about GW / CC then we have Global Cooling.
@MB
I could believe it is a man-made hoax perpetrated by the Chinese, BTW I heard the hydro is on the blitz in Forest Hills how are you surviving?
Sarge,
It is all Rocketman’s fault!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvdWTcZ4XG8
Here is the Chinese perspective.
Choose your Nobel Laureate: I choose Mario Molina, Nobel winner in Chemistry and more significantly in the area of atmospheric chemistry (the threat of CFCs to the ozone layer) over a physicist in the area of semi conductors.
http://www.mediatheque.lindau-nobel.org/videos/31331/the-science-and-policy-of-climate-change-2012
But Money Brain and others will argue that Molina does not know any chemistry or about carbon dioxide or about the atmosphere.
Pingy No need to put words in my mouth, I have this for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHFfOOF-6Fs
Pingster,
and di tuh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpxP7R4aLw
Cheese-on-bread MB, two plus hours of videos!!
we could engage in a kind of You Tube/Google duel for another 200 posts (kind of like “bruise” and I know you liked bruise) but that would be pointless (at least to me). So for whatever reason, do you believe that there is a significant risk that Barbados and the other Caribbean nations could be hit by a category 5 hurricane in the near future? If so how should Barbados and by extension CARICOM “manage” that risk?
Just for the record, I believe that human activities are leading to often negative environmental consequences. Humans act as though the natural bounty of the Earth is limitless and that without care and thoughtful management we can continue indefinitely to extract the natural resources. That said, I am aware that there are “alarmists” as well as “deniers” with selfish agendas seeking to influence all of us to conform to their interests.
The early-spawning fish usually begin making their way upstream in mid-August. This year, the spawning fish have been late to all the local waterways, including Bowmanville, Ganaraska, and Oshawa.
17c and rain on Friday. I will be fishing on Saturday and Sunday. Salmon and Trout can’t done.
@millertheanunnaki September 26, 2017 at 11:03 AM “the other visiting BBEs that modified monkey man. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days…”
Still finding it hard to accept that the whole world was populated by the sons and daughterd of Africa?
So you have to come here with Nephilim fairy tale.
We too big for fairy tales.
There were no Nephilim.
No angels had sex with women.
Men and women had sex with each other as they have always done, and I will continue that delightful tradition momentarily.
Nephilim what.
Stupseee!!!
The imagery of the Five-pointed star (Pentagram) is not used by King David ‘pagan’ Jews for the sport of slaying Goliath or worn by Wicca Christians for protection to ward off the wounds of evil Islam for stoning the Christian devil called Saytan.
Neither should its symbolism be lost on you.
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See what happens when you start with a false premise.
The Star of David has six points.
Two Triangles each with three vertices as all triangles have.
2×3=6
Put on your glasses.
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=652&tbm=isch&q=star+of+david+meaning&sa=X&sqi=2&pjf=1&ved=0ahUKEwjhhtmMmcXWAhUDTCYKHRdkDUQQhyYIJA#imgrc=d9Ek5JsSBIzNqM:
Wheel and come again … or should I say, reel and come again!!
What does this mean—–Toronto broke a 117 yr high temperature record yesterday, for 26th Sept at 31.2 C.?
It means that 117 yrs ago it was very hot too! Was that period in global warming too?
@ John September 27, 2017 at 6:59 AM
John, that is why the adjective “Pagan” is used.
Yes, the original religion of the real brown McCoys of Canaan, not that of the revised symbol and story plagiarized and concocted by pale skin Ashkenazi Jews out of Europe.
Would it have been more apt to call them Wiccan Jews?
Soon you would be saying the Lion of Judah was really a snow leopard that escaped from the Garden of Eden and kept as a pet by a fictitious character called Jacob and bequeathed to his fairytale son Judah who sold his eponymous brother Joseph into slavery.
The Rastafarians should have a lot to say about this blatant act of plagiaristic abuse of their hallowed symbol.
Next minute you would be telling us the original Christians were not Essene Jews but Romans who actually believed that the Da Vinci-painted Jesus actually died on a Four-pointed cross to save Indians and Chinese from the burning clutches of Hell.
It might come as a shocking surprise to you to find out your Quaker beliefs have very strong Celtic wiccan roots with a brotherly veneer of pseudo Augustine Christian love for their conquered slaves.
Mt Agung in Bali, Indonesia where I visited in 1989, is showing major signs of pending eruption. 50,000 have fled their homes already.
Must be Global Warming/ CC???????????????
@ Simple Simon September 26, 2017 at 10:24 PM
“There were no Nephilim.
No angels had sex with women.
Men and women had sex with each other as they have always done, and I will continue that delightful tradition momentarily.
Nephilim what.
Stupseee!!!”
Simple Simon, why are you trying to shoot your mouth off to kill the messenger instead of trying to find out the source of the mysterious message?
Aren’t you the same daughter of the perfect mummy and daddy family who forced you to attend Sunday school? So why didn’t you pay attention when those Genesis stories were told to you about your Jewish heritage?
So let us both take a refresher course in how to interpret fairytales not concocted by the miller but written in black and white in the good old book of myths purposely first revised and subsequently revised (to suit Britain’s expansionary commercial goals) under the auspices of Old King James the lover of both men and women:
When people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. Then the Lord said, “My spirit shall not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred twenty years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.
— Genesis 6:1–4, New Revised Standard Version.
Now if you can believe that a human can live for 969 years in the body of Methuselah why can’t you accept that the sons of Elohim can impregnate the daughters of apes?
“Stupseee!!!”
@MB
you must know what the potential remedies are, should one wish to question share valuation in a take over/amalgamation by a majority (80%+) shareholder?
Northy,
Much of this is Political games versus action to remedy the Pollution. Why? The Elites want to complicate the situation so they can continue polluting and the Politicians want more Tax Revenue. The real problem is pollution so reduce it.
Who can say what % of any CC/ GW is truly caused by mankind? Why did the 1mile thick ice melt 12,000 yrs ago? Surely Solar Cycles matter? Interesting and debatable but lets Reduce Pollution significantly.
One thing for sure, pollution in our lungs cant do us any good. ACT! Remember the KISS Principle—Keep It Simple Stupid. The very last thing Politicians want.
@MB
I was referring to Cable and Wireless Bds…off topic
Northy,
Have not being following that. Why get involved in illiquid markets like Bim when the world is our oyster.
Miller
Many explanations have been given for the explosion of the Charismatic move
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1499243536992629/permalink/1913077182275927/
http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2017/09/mathematics-predicts-sixth-mass.html
@millertheanunnaki September 27, 2017 at 9:20 AM “about your Jewish heritage?”
No Jewish heritage miller.
No Nephilim either. Let me tell you the truth, Let me tell you what really happened.
Wunna boys went off to fight some foolish war or another as wunna boys are wont to do.
When ya got back home some years later ya find that some children had been born who did not look much like you. They didn’t look like you at all at all.
So wunna girlfriends and wives had to tell wunna something.
Like an angel came down from heaven and f@@p we.
There were no angels.
Tt was a regular man with a regular doggie, a man like the postman, or the milkman, or the man who came to fix the cable tv or the internet.
In other words a real, real man, maybe one from the village down the road, or the tent next door.
But there were no angels.
You too big to be still believing in fairy stories.
A mass of clould is now leaving the African coastline and the spiking returns.
http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/mimic-tpw/global/main.html
Also see September 3-6 2017 images found in the “RECENT” tab of the said website…. you may recall the tremendous heat experienced during those days. and the pulses were generated from ANTARTICA.
The Asian Development Bank plans to spend $80 billion through 2030 to build infrastructure that will help protect Asian countries from the impact of climate change, a central topic at the board of governors meeting that began here Wednesday.
The annual gathering brings together finance ministers, central bankers and other officials from the lender’s 68 member countries and regions to discuss Asian development and financial cooperation. This is the first such meeting to be hosted by one of the ADB’s Pacific island members, which are particularly vulnerable to climate change.(Quote)