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The late Albert Selby

The right of the survivor of a non-marital union to benefit from the estate of the deceased partner does not depend on the status of marriage, but on the duration of cohabitation with the deceased immediately preceding death. โ€“per Byron P in Smith v Selby [2017]CCJ 13

The courts of law have through the years been called upon to make some surprising determinations. One English case involved the intriguing issue of whether ice cream could be considered meat for the purposes of the Sunday Trading Act 1994; another the more tendentious matter of whether a bicycle was a carriage under the 1835 Highway Act. We have seemingly now added our own quirky issue to this list. The Caribbean Court of Justice [CCJ] was recently called upon to determine when is a man to be treated as single for the purposes of the Succession Act.

The critical issue in the decision of the CCJ last Friday was not, as some aspects of the media would have it, whether a โ€œcommon lawโ€ spouse generally may inherit or succeed to the property of her cohabiting partner on his or her death intestate. That issue had been settled as early as 1979 with the passage of the Succession Act. According to section 2 (3)(a) of that Act:

โ€œFor the purposes of this Act, reference to a โ€œspouseโ€ includes:

(a) a single woman who was living together with a single man as his wife for a period of not less than 5 years immediately preceding the date of his deathโ€ฆโ€ [Emphasis added]

There, the local legislature had given effect to the prevailing cultural norm locally, whereby a large number of relationships existed without โ€œbenefit of clergyโ€, as that expression is popularly understood. As I recall, there was not a lot of religious objection to this then and, if there was any, I must have missed it because I was abroad at that time.

This initiative further consolidated the earlier enactment of the Status of Children Reform Act whose section 3 provides as follows-

For the purposes of the laws of Barbados, the distinction of at common law between the status of children born within or outside marriage is abolished, and all children shall, after 1st January, 1980, be of equal status; and a person is the child of his or her natural parents and his or her status as their child is independent of whether the child is born within or outside of marriage-

and of the Family Law Act 1981 that recognized the concept of the union other than marriage in the following manner-

“union other than marriage” or “union” means the relationship that is established when a man and a woman who, not being married to each other, have cohabited continuously for a period of 5 years or more and have so cohabited within the year immediately preceding the institution of the proceedings.โ€

The critical issue in the recent case between Ms Katrina Smith, the appellant and Mr Albert Selby, the respondent, was rather whether Ms Smith satisfied the statutory definition of โ€œspouseโ€, given that her cohabitant, who had died intestate in April 2008 and was the brother of the respondent, had been separated but not divorced from his wife for the first two years of the claimed cohabitation. He was eventually divorced in 2004.

Naturally, therefore, the argument of the respondent (who stood to benefit under the applicable law of succession on intestacy, since his brother would have had no spouse, no issue nor mother nor father) was that Ms Smith did not satisfy the statutory definition of spouse, not because of the failure to contract a marriage with the deceased at all, but rather because the deceased was not โ€œa single manโ€ within the meaning of the Act for the five years of cohabitation immediately preceding the date of his death. The basis of this was that since he was still legally married, even though separated from his wife, he could not be considered a single man.

This argument was rejected by the trial judge who, according to the judgment of the CCJ โ€œinfluenced by his perception that the purpose of the statute was to correct the problem faced by the survivor of a non-marital relationship where there was no will, concluded that the word โ€œsingleโ€ included a married man who was separated from his wife.โ€ Alternately, the judge was of the view that the word โ€˜singleโ€™ referred only to the status of the deceased at his death.

The Court of Appeal found the first holding to be a distortion of the natural and ordinary meaning of the word โ€œsingleโ€, and rejected the alternative on the ground that โ€œthe word โ€œsingleโ€ reflected the status of the parties throughout the five-year period of statutory cohabitationโ€ and not merely at death. The CCJ on Friday reversed the Court of Appealโ€™s decision and restored the order of the trial judge.

The ultimate resolution of the matter turned on the appropriately applicable rules of statutory interpretation and should arguably repay reading for keen students of this subject. I consider the minutiae of this, however, to be too esoteric for a Sunday newspaper column so I will not elaborate further.

It should be borne in mind nevertheless that the principal aim of the court engaged in an exercise of statutory interpretation is to ascertain the meaning intended by Parliament, as the CCJ makes clear-

โ€œThe courtโ€™s task, within the permissible bounds of interpretation, is to give effect to Parliamentโ€™s purpose. So, the controversial provisions should be read in the context of the entire statute, and the statute should be read in the historical context of the situation which led to its enactment.โ€

As the varying decisions in this case demonstrate, this is an exercise in which highly learned men may reasonably differ as to the result. And while this may appear befuddling to the uninitiated who yearn for exactitude and predictability in the meaning of statutory provisions; as long as there remains the co-existence of the separation of powers whereby Parliament legislates and the courts interpret, and so long as the English language with all of its vagaries remains the primary means of legal communication, these will remain an unlikelihood.

There is one more point worthy of note. The notion of the โ€œsingle manโ€ has not been expressly enacted in the provision for the union other than marriage referred to above where a period of cohabitation also plays a significant role. It seems beyond doubt that at his death therefore, Albert Michael Selby was part of a union other than marriage with Ms Smith. Should this not also hold true for other married men whether separated or not?


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262 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – When is a Man Single?”


  1. here is for you I am working on a duplex that a women who owns it has dementia one of her two children who will inherit it lived with his common law wife of 20 years in one apartment. He just passed away the owner is still alive but senile, the surviving sister is evicting her brothers common law widow because she has power of attorney as the mother hasnt died yet she cannot lay claim to part of the property and maybe kicked out what a mess.


  2. Boom!

    The mo st important consideration to determine who is entitled to inherit as spouse is the period of cohabitation immediately preceding death. The law clearly prescribes that cohabitation for five years is the statutory period which gives inheritance rights. It a lso prescribes that the court cannot declare a single woman to be the spouse of a married man. We have concluded that the assessment of marital status for the purpose of rights under the Act is made immediately preceding the death of the deceased. We there fore conclude that Katrina, being a single woman who was living together with the deceased as his wife for a period of not less than five years immediately preceding the date of his death, the deceased , who had been divorced from hi s wife, is entitled to then being a single man the benefit of inheritance as his spouse.

  3. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    The CCJ made the right decision, if there were no common law relationship laws in existence, fine, but they do exist and have to be recognized.


  4. @Hal, re ‘Oh David. Keep quiet.”…. The request for silence, good sir, is misdirected.

    As others have queried of you, what manner of moral code was the theological law lords asked to validate…. oh wait, this was a court of LAW not a religious one. Could have fooled me based on your protestations.

    Stepping aside from the essence of this debate for a moment it behoves the blog to recognize in you a penchant for Christian moralizing in a similiar context to your powerful screeds against those espoused by Muslim immigrants.

    At least you are consistent… many here who may condemn you for these righteous – even pious – views , would surely stand with you to battle the Sharia soldiers on the other side you would quickly resolve all immoral mores like this with strindent theological rulings.

    However, until that comes to pass, and we fight with you there we will condemn you as out-of-bounds current accepted norms and more importantly the established law.

    They or you cannot moralize your faith based dictum on modern interpretations of societal standards. As Pacha rightly noted, in a time where one of every two marriages will likely end in divorce, who are you or anyone else to question the validity of a long term ‘live wid’.

    Clearly, the God of the Bible as written would be considerably more tolerant to that than you are.


  5. Whether we agree the CCJ gave context to support the decision, they job was to apply what parliament intended.


  6. ** correction: “you would”…. should be ‘WHO would’


  7. Jethro,
    You are at it again. Show me where I mentioned Christian-based marriage? Where have I mentioned that children born within a legal marriage are superior to those born out of wedlock?


  8. This case shows why LAW is necessary to decide what people can’t do themselves.

    The woman lived in a house with the late Selby for 5 years. Selby had no children.

    The woman deserves at the very least to keep the de facto “matrimonial” home.


  9. @Artax September 3, 2017 at 9:06 AM “It is interesting to note that government did not โ€œintercedeโ€ on Riley-Fox’ behalf.”

    Intercede in what way? What would you suggest? How would you pay for the intercession?
    Whose money would pay for it? And if the government interceded in this case, than what about the rest of us who are also struggling? And some of us are struggling not because we over extended our selves, but because of serious and expensive illness or disability within the family.

    Please note that “the government” was not a party to the contract between Ms. Riley-Fox and her bank.

    And since we re talking about inheritance and stuff, if the government had interceded when the time came would Ms. Riley-Fox have “remembered” the government in her will?


  10. Hants,
    That is a moral statement, not legal. If the deceased wanted her to inherit anything without problems he would have made a will. He was highly intelligent.
    The CCJ judgement in effect turn that moral sentiment in to judge-made law. The attorney general has got to clarify the law as a matter of urgency. The lesson is that if you are living in a common-law arrangement get it on a legal basis.
    What is the Opposition parties saying about the judgement?

  11. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Jeff Cumberbatch September 3, 2017 at 1:41 PM

    Fair enough! Your enlightening piece of โ€˜expatiationโ€™ is appreciated. The superfluity of the legal dra(u)ft-sperson leaves a little bit to be desired.

    Clearly not one of your former charges I presume, given the year of proclamation i,e, 1979!

    โ€˜He or sheโ€™ could have been more concise for the sake of simplicity and reading efficiency by combining gender specific clauses to make the female or male provisions gender neutral.

    But let us get back to the issue of rationalization and change to reflect the mores of the current times.

    When is Barbados going to be back in the Third World limelight of legal revolution as it did in the 1970โ€™s and 1980โ€™s and provide โ€˜leadershipโ€™ in social enlightenment for the modern period in recognizing the Rainbow hue of human behaviour by legally accepting same sex marriages and the use of marijuana not only as a competing alternative to โ€˜traditionalโ€™ medicines but also as a source of industry and income generation for a socially and economically challenged 21st century black generation especially for the fast becoming disenfranchised males?

  12. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar

    When is Barbados going to be back in the Third World limelight of legal revolution as it did in the 1970โ€™s and 1980โ€™s and provide โ€˜leadershipโ€™ in social enlightenment for the modern period in recognizing the Rainbow hue of human behaviour by legally accepting same sex marriages and the use of marijuana not only as a competing alternative to โ€˜traditionalโ€™ medicines but also as a source of industry and income generation for a socially and economically challenged 21st century black generation especially for the fast becoming disenfranchised males?

    @ Miller, your guess is as good as mine.

    Clearly not one of your former charges I presume, given the year of proclamation i,e, 1979!

    Hardly. More likely a contemporary!


  13. I’ve seen legitimacy and illlegitimacy mentioned here with reference to children.

    Can someone tell me if there is such a thing as an illlegitimate father?

    And before DNA how could one determine whether r not a father was legitimate?

    And if for example Hal should take a DNA test and discovers that the man he has always called father, and whose name is on his birth certificate is not in fact his father, what then? Should Hal get nought from that man’s estate?

  14. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Nonsense…Bob Marley left a 10 million dollar estate, no will, a wife and a ton of children with different females outside his marriage, it was litigated, intestate, many years before settlement,….

    Not everyone, educated or not believe in Wills.


  15. Again legitimacy vs. legitamacy

    Suppose I was raised by my godmother from the time I was 3 months old (not an uncommon situation in Barbados) and we maintained a good relationship throughout our lives. I looked after her in her old age, until she dies. She never married and never had biological children?

    But I was never formally adopted.

    We have no blood relationship.

    Is this a legitimate relationship or not?

    In other words what is it that makes a relationship legitimate?

    A legal certificate?

    A blood relationship?

    Custom?

    All of the above?

    Some of the above?

    None of the above?

    Help this simpleton.

  16. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Hal Austin September 3, 2017 at 2:37 PM
    โ€œJethro,
    You are at it again. Show me where I mentioned Christian-based marriage? Where have I mentioned that children born within a legal marriage are superior to those born out of wedlock?โ€

    So why involve the โ€œChurchโ€ in this matter unless you feel that people who get married in a ‘church’ has some moral advantage over those who do not follow suit?

    You did not make reference to any mosque or to some other temple so presumably you were seeing the church as the only worthy font of human morality.

    You ought to know by now that marriage in Western-based democracies, like the UK and its aping protรฉgรฉ Barbados, is not a religious expression of commitment to a code of morality but a legal โ€˜materialโ€™ contract between a man and a woman with the โ€˜Churchโ€ acting as a sub-contracted officiating agent of the State which itself is the embodiment of a Civil Institution.

    If you were to see โ€˜marriageโ€™ in any serious religious way you might just have to accept that Muslim men are allowed to have as many as 4 โ€˜affordableโ€™ wives. A situation which can either be described as โ€˜legalizedโ€™ promiscuity or, from your โ€˜Christianโ€™ perspective, as an abominable sin of unforgivable adultery.

    From your moral perspective would you consider the children born from the second, third or fourth wife to be โ€˜having bornโ€™ in wedlock and deserving of blessings not only from society but also from your god Yahweh as he did with Ishmael born of an Egyptian (presumably black) slave girl like the poor under-aged Mary who got pregnant for a โ€˜beingโ€™ clearly not her husband?

  17. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Ya just totally confused Hal…lol.


  18. I think the majority of children born in Barbados are out of wedlock,something like 80%.It was often heard of folk who were married but not churched.Dr Lamming in his address to Carifesta in 1981 referred to “the chaos in our relationships”.One has only to read the obituary columns in the daily newspapers to see what he meant.I see where Hal is going with his comment as it has been abroad that societies where marriage between a man and a woman is the norm and in which households children are nurtured in the normal way,that such societies tend to be more orderly and civilized,all things being equal.Unfortunately,ours is a plantation society where old habits die hard.Between the plantation owner,the overseer and the book keeper marriage was discouraged for obvious reasons and although the church frowned on such unions in an Age of Enlightenment the off spring was not to be disadvantaged any longer and so our laws were amended to reflect the majority voter’s power as it had other more significant applications in the scheme of things.It is my opinion that the church and state should encourage and foster marriage among our people and as I heard one priest recommend in a sermon,couples should get married at very young ages when their bodies are strong.


  19. Jethro,
    It is your flawed reasoning again. I mentioned the church because an issue such as this is one the church should have a view on, since it involves morality.
    And no, I do not believe people who get married in a church have moral superiority. In our society most people get married by registrars; many get married by authorised secular authorities, such as magistrates, ships’ captains, etc, and others in temples, mosques, synagogues, and other religious establishments.
    You are becoming a victim of your limited thinking. Having ascribed to me the notion of Christian-based marriages and the ‘superiority’ of those born in wedlock, you now shift the goal posts once again.
    You are so keen to put me in my place that you fabricate arguments. My argument is simple: something is seriously wrong in a society where 70 per cent of children are born out of wedlock. What example are we setting to future generations?

  20. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Gabriel marriage is a farce that is only useful for those who believe in its instituation and are mature enough and committed enough make it work….marriage should not be forced on anyone..

    Village rams should not get married, it defeats the whole purpose, most Caribbean men are village rams, that is their idea of a culture, but it is to the detriment of the children they drop all over the place,…..having said that…

    Giving mothers the power to put the father’s names on children’s birth certificates, encourages male responsibility for their offspring, cuts down on inbreeding that is so rampant because of village rams and eases up the welfare program.

    One way or the next, small islands have to advocate for removal of those slave laws and free the women and children from those decades old destructive forces.

  21. Caswell Franklyn Avatar

    Lawson

    Re: your comment at 2:07.

    As far as I am aware, a senile person cannot give a power of attorney. If you had a power of attorney for someone and that person becomes senile, the power of attorney would no longer be valid, unless the person giving the power stipulated in the document that the power of attorney would continue in the event of senility.

    Also, when the person, giving the power of attorney, dies that power is no longer valid.

    Sent from my iPad

  22. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Hal Austin September 3, 2017 at 4:39 PM
    โ€œIt is your flawed reasoning again. I mentioned the church because an issue such as this is one the church should have a view on, since it involves morality.โ€

    Mr. Austin, Sir, no one can put you in your place since you have already painted yourself in a corner.

    The Church always had a view on marriage and those considered to be “born in sin”.

    The Church through its mother the Holy Roman Catholic Church even has a canon prohibiting men from marrying if they intend to becoming priest. Celibacy is a lifestyle only for those so inclined to burn in similarly-leaning arms on the road to hell than to take matters in their own โ€˜Onanisticโ€™ hands on the way to pearly paradise.

    You act as if the ills of the Bajan society are due to 70% out-of-wedlock births. A check with the Registry would confirm a similar, if nor higher a statistic, prevailed in your days growing up stupid in the Ivy when men had numerous children from different women even in the same village.

    Whatโ€™s so morally necessary for sexually active unemployed people (including the thousands sitting on the blocks and considered โ€œvoluntarily idleโ€) getting married to live where?

    Who is going to pay for the wedding and pay the rent? The officiating priest or the Welfare Department?

    Marriage is first and foremost a socio-economic decision, not a moral precedence. For it to be used to judge a personโ€™s value to society the current PM would fail the test of moral suitability.


  23. the power of attorney had been in place for a while as she slowly declined, up here that is usually the reason for giving power of attorney as you may not be able to make discisions for yourself. But you seem to have missed what is happening. the person who owns the home is still alive and senile,
    her son who had shared the power of attorney died
    his common law partner of 20 years is still in home
    his sister is evicting her as she is a tenant and the owner is still alive
    once the owner dies then the property will fall to the heirs ( brother and sister) and she may get his share
    but until that time she has no right to the home and may have to move.
    All this to say get a will drawn up by an attorney make adjustments as circumstance dictates make it known if anyone challenges your wishes their share, they will be disinherited


  24. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/dna-test-reveals-archbishop-justin-welby-is-illegitimate-son-of-sir-winston-churchills-private-a6975936.html

    A DNA test has revealed that the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, is the illegitimate son of Sir Winston Churchillโ€™s last private secretary.

    The Most Reverend Justin Welby said in a statement that the identity of his father – which he only discovered a month ago – had come as โ€œa complete surpriseโ€.

    He believed he was the son of Gavin Welby, who died in 1977 when Archbishop Welby was 21, and who was briefly married to his mother Jane.

    But after being approached by the Daily Telegraph with research into his family background he discovered his father was actually Sir Anthony Montague Browne, who served Churchill in Downing Street – and who had a brief affair with Archbishop Welby’s mother before she married Mr Welby Snr.

    Jane Williams, now known as Lady Williams of Elvel following her remarriage, said the news had come as a โ€œtremendous shockโ€ as neither she or her former husband had doubted Archbishop Welbyโ€™s paternity.

    In the statement, Archbishop Welby said: โ€œThis revelation has, of course, been a surprise, but in my life and in our marriage Caroline and I have had far worse. I know that I find who I am in Jesus Christ, not in genetics, and my identity in him never changes.

    โ€œEven more importantly my role as Archbishop makes me constantly aware of the real and genuine pain and suffering of many around the world, which should be the main focus of our prayers.โ€

    He revealed that his early years were โ€œmessyโ€ because both of his parents were alcoholics.

    He said his mother had managed to overcome her addiction and had not “touched alcohol for 48 years” – and he was “enormously proud of her” for it.

    He said his father (Mr Welby Snr) tried to care for him “as far as he was able” but said his experience was “typical of many people”.

    โ€œTo find that one’s father is other than imagined is not unusual. To be the child of families with great difficulties in relationships, with substance abuse or other matters, is far too normalโ€, he explained.

    He said โ€œnothingโ€ had changed for him or and he โ€œwasnโ€™t in any way upsetโ€ by the revelation.

    He added: โ€œAlthough there are elements of sadness, and even tragedy in my father’s (Gavin Welbyโ€™s) case, this is a story of redemption and hope from a place of tumultuous difficulty and near despair in several lives.

    โ€œIt is a testimony to the grace and power of Christ to liberate and redeem us, grace and power which is offered to every human being.โ€

    The revelation has meant that Archbishop Welby, who previously thought he was an only child, has gained an older half-sister, also called Jane. ”

    All this talk about legitimacy and illegitimacy. And who should inherit based on martial status, and on whether or not one’s parents were married, And yet even Hal’s own Archbishop (and mine) who was born within a marriage discovers in his middle years that his father was not who he thought he was.

    So is the archbishop legitimate?

    Or is he as the English colonizers used to call those of us born to parents who could not afford to marry is he a bastard?


  25. When I was growing up in my rural Bajan village there was an English Anglican priest who baptised the “lawful” children on Sundays, and the “bastards” on Tuesdays. This was designed in Hal-like fashion to shame those women who had dared to have sexual intercourse before presenting themselves to a white foreign English Anglican priest for a marriage ceremony. Of course this meant that the parents of the “bastards” had to take time off work, without pay in order to have their children baptised, so yes in Hal-like fashion they were punished for doing exactly what the Archbiship’s mother was doing. She though was not punished as she eventually married into the minor English aristocracy.

    I wonder what this English priest would have done if baby Justin had been brought to him for baptism?

    The truth is that not one of us can say with 100% certainty who our fathers are.

    Legitimacy and illegitimacy is all a legal and social fiction, principally designed to make men feel good, and secondly to get them to hand over the money necessary to feed, clothe and house the next generation.


  26. @Independent ‘Jane Williams, now known as Lady Williams of Elvel following her remarriage, said the news had come as a โ€œtremendous shockโ€ as neither she or her former husband had doubted Archbishop Welbyโ€™s paternity.”

    I am not certain how this could have come as a complete shock to Lady Jane, as all women know that if they have sex with more that one man during any one menstrual cycle it is virtually impossible to determine which of the two or three or four men or more caused the pregnancy. And women do do this. Millions of women do. So she must have had an inkling.

    That said retrospective DNA testing is showing that up to 5% of us are calling the wrong man daddy.

    5% of 8 billion people is a whole lot of fake daddies. Maybe God or more likely Mother Nature never intended for men to know when they have begotten a child; and so men invented the legal fiction of legitimacy and illegitimacy, lawful children and bastards.

    Pecunia purgat bastardum.

    Don’t let it worry ya fellas.

    Ya ain’t supposed to know.

    Sleep tight.


  27. @Simple
    I often wonder if Maury did a show in the Caribbean what would happen?
    I know a few men and women who would be island hopping ahead of Maury

  28. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Lol….this one probably has Hal’s head spinning.


  29. Who’s Your Daddy?
    “In graduate school, genetics students typically are taught that 5 to 15 percent of the men on birth certificates are not the biological fathers of their children…One unpublished study of blood groups in a town in southeastern ENGLAND indicated that 30 percent of the townโ€™s **husbands could not have been the biological fathers of their children.”
    Source: The Atlantic, July-August 2007

    **And these are married couples mind you. But Hal seems to believe that extra-pair copulations/non-paternity events do not occur once a marriage certificate has been issued.

    Lol!


  30. @ Simple Simon

    Your comment makes me aware the reason why you chose the moniker โ€œSimple Simon.โ€

    Did Owen Arthur not โ€œintercedeโ€ on behalf of Neville Rowe when the bank was about to foreclose on his Sky Mall property?

    My point isโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆ.. an individual who LEGALLY acquires property can lose that property if he/she fails to make payment for whatever reason.

    However, an individual can ILLEGALLY occupy property and the government may be forced to relocate them, at the tax payersโ€™ expense, on property which they will acquire FREE of cost.

    There are vendors who comply with the law and they also RENT market space to sell produceโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆ.. but some Barbadians and non-nationals are vending illegally in Bridgetown. When the police ask them to move, they are adamant that government should provide rent free places for them to sell.

    If government bows to their demands, would it be FAIR to those vendors who are renting market spaces?

    According to you, โ€œsince we are talking about inheritance and stuff, since the government interceded for the squatter/illegal vendor, when the time came would the squatter/illegal vendor have โ€œrememberedโ€ the government in their will?โ€

    Perhaps we all should forget about mortgages, squat on land and hope the government gives us land free of cost.


  31. Simple Simon,
    I know that in our culture it is sometimes very difficult not to personalise discussions. But try to be objective; I am discussing principles, not particular biographies.
    I repeat, the marital status of the parents should have no impact on life chances of the children; but a home with an absent father can often lead to the children, especially boys, lacking a father-figure in their lives and the social consequences of that.
    A woman with different men coming in and out of her children’s lives is inflicting serious moral damage on them, both boys and girls.
    As to those ranting on about the church and clergy who misbehave, the church is inanimate, I am talking about the moral authority of the clergy, they have a duty to speak out on these issues.
    No one is perfect, but because we condemn theft does not mean that people would not steal. Similarly, because people are married does not mean they will not have extra-marital affairs (a favourite Barbadian pastime), but one is aware of breaking a marriage vow. It should be a cause of shame, or the very least personal failure.
    If the relationship has irretrievably broken down, then get a divorce.


  32. Anybody who states that the church was silent on the legislation giving illegitimate (born out of wedlock) children the same rights as legitimate(born in wedlock) children , is obviously not up on current affairs of that period. The bill essentially meant that there were to be no more “bastards” in Barbados and in my opinion was perhaps one of the most progressive pieces of legislation of the post independence era.
    Leading the charge against the Bill was the then Dean of the St. Michael Cathedral , Harold Crichlow. In one of his sermons, which used to be broadcast, he said : What God has put together let no man put asunder.” which seems to be in keeping with Hal’s exceptionally reactionary position in this discussion.
    What Hal and others fail to recognise is that many men of means and great wealth had relations with women of the lower economic and social classes, got them pregnant and never had to recognise/own the children. The legislation therefore challenged those who used their prominence and social standing to literally sexually exploit women.
    It is extremely dangerous to believe that a piece of paper saying that a union is legitimate(marriage) is some certain indicator of high morals and therefore should determine the fate of women and children as far as their rightful access to their parents and common law husbands / wives estate is concerned.
    This whole idea that a man can remain married and live with an outside woman for donkey years and then leave all his wealth to a wife , he probably had no relationship with, is pure class based chicanery.
    I am therefore delighted that Hal’s views are in the minority in this discussion.


  33. WW you seem to think that patch of fur that has been used to trap men of any stature over the years entitles them to something more than the inducements she got to fork it over. But be thankful that some of us come (pardon the pun) and leave something more than our money or you would be akin to the island of Dr Moreau


  34. William,
    I am afraid you have chosen a populist position for one based on the principle of responsible behaviour. I am fully aware that under slavery the masters prevented men and women from forming lasting relationships. But this is 2017 and we cannot justify a casual relationship on the basis of social history. Because people commit fraud does not mean we must give legal backing to fraudsters.
    The amoral behaviour of those who we presume have a higher social status is no example. @William, for someone who is normally so rational in his views, you are implying that women are the victims of this socio-biological bullying, since it again suggests that these men cannot control themselves, physically or morally.
    Of course, most of us – if not all – fall from grace from time to time, but that does not mean we do not we have fallen and, as preached by Christian theology, ask forgiveness.
    You also recognise that where there are children of such a relationship the children bear no moral responsibility; that is also my position. But the parents do – both mother and father.
    That is why, to return to an earlier point, I have said that if on registering newly born children mothers fail to register the fathers’ names then they automatically lose the right to claim child maintenance later.
    If the resistance comes from the father, then the courts could order a DNA test. In other words, every child should officially have a mother and father, with very rare exceptions.
    @William, do not follow the mob, you are too intelligent. There is nothing democratic about mob rule. Re-read the contributions and you will see the contradictions coming from the same individuals
    There is also another contradiction: controversies about a married prime minister who had affairs and assaulted his lovers; allegations of the sexual preferences of leading politicians; etc, all address the issue of morality in public life. To object is not to be judgemental.

  35. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Lawson…ya like whoremongering too much, ah hope ya wife gets her hands on your password and read ya posts, if she is anything like me, you will know what for, with all ya big talk…..lol

    “The bill essentially meant that there were to be no more โ€œbastardsโ€ in Barbados and in my opinion was perhaps one of the most progressive pieces of legislation of the post independence era.”

    William…the bill defeated the purpose, there are not only more fatherless children in Barbados than anyone can imagine, but even children who are the products of marriages….are fatherless…you and Hal both need to stop living in your lala land of fantasy created for you by dead, white slave masters.

    These slave master’s intent was to keep the enslavement of black people and broken, confused black families….alive and well using slave laws, even post slavery….for their own self enrichment…and it worked, it still works today…

    …… you have the black village rams by the thousands with damaged psyches and broken mentalities spreading babies hither and yon generation after generation……..while the black government ministers, black clergy and all the jackasses in between call for more babies, without addressing the human rights violation of mothers inability to automatically register the names of their children’s fathers on birth certificates.,, none ah dem see nutten wrong with that….the minds of damaged slaves..

    The fact that females in Barbados cannot automatically register the names of fathers on their children’s birth certificate without the father volunteering and being physically present is living proof……of an existing slave society.

    ….. the fact that not one Black GOVERNMENT MINISTER OR POLITICIAN MALE OR FEMALE have moved to destroy that slave law and give rights to mothers and children, is living proof that a slave society still exists on the island which denies women and children their universal rights.


  36. @ Hal
    I do not base my thinking on anything called “Christian theology”. I am not embracing slack or low morals based on subjective thinking ; I am simply stating that men of prominence often escaped leaving anything for their children born out of wedlock. I am also stating, without apology, that women who live with men in common law relationships deserve to be rightful inheritors of their wealth.
    Quite frankly, I am hoping that we soon legalise same sex marriages and bring our country in line with progressive laws that seek to protect rather than discriminate against people simply because they choose different lifestyles.
    I find it strange that these simple positions, are considered by you to be following “mob rule”. We should be quite familiar with shop owners “breeding” the help and the “outside” children living in squalor while the “legitimate” ones lived in luxury.
    i am dealing with the society I know very well where hypocrisy dwells and the poor are often criticised for having “too many” children while the affluent are allowed to do as they like.
    For me this has nothing to do with immorality but making those responsible accountable for their actions.
    I also agree with those who suggest that marriage itself maybe nothing more than a legal hoax


  37. William,
    We will have to agree to differ. Any so-called outside woman who has children for a married man, especially if he still lives with his wife and family, must take some of the blame. I agree that the children of such a union should inherit, if there is an estate, but not the mother. She too must have some moral responsibility for the union. Responsibility swings both ways, with the men and women.
    As to same sex unions, I agree. I am not sure why you think I oppose any such union. Call marriage what you like, it is the law. Change the law if you do not like it.
    Finally, I am sure you realise that our secular morality is based on our Christian beliefs, whether we are practising Christians or not.

  38. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Breeding Blacks in a 2017 existing slave society….still seems to be a commodity, but this time, for black governments and politician to use as a self enrichment tool….

    …without any minister or politician seeing the need for legislating greater powers, autonomy and control to be put in the hands of the majority population, particularly women/mothers, children and young folk….

    These black governments need to be publicly called out and shamed for their evil, self defeating practices..


  39. Is there ANYTHING that Hal really understands?

    Some of us just soak up whatever shiite is pushed down our throats and defend it to the death. Had Hal been born in Qatar, he would likely be a devout ISIS martyr as we speak…

    Simple Simon has a point.
    If none of us knew for sure who were our REAL fathers, brothers , sisters and perhaps even mothers, then PERHAPS we would take a far more community-centric approach to life.

    …perhaps we would be much more reluctant to exploit our neighbours, unfair our workers, cheat our bosses and rob our constituents by taking bribes and shortchanging them.

    …perhaps, the whole damn village …or town … or country would focus on the overall GOODWILL of their children – since these could very well BE THEIR children.

    Instead, we buy into what has become an albino-centric institution that has been configured to build barriers, hoard resources, and keep the poor forever poor.

    Marriage is indeed, a holy institution that seeks to bring two incomplete individuals together to CREATE a WHOLE being called “Man and Wife”. Any man without a wife is incomplete – and can NEVER reach his full potential (as can easily be seen with Froon…)
    LOL …. The same shiite goes for women without a man….. so our beak done ‘get brek’…

    Like most of the spiritual principles laid out in the bible, this one has evolved into a materialistic institution designed to maximise the concentration of wealth and to bring out the VERY worse in BOTH men and women.

    Why the hell are grown children waiting and depending on their parents inheritances to survive – to the extent that they will fight each other for it…? What kind of children must these be?
    Why are they not themselves CONTRIBUTING to a general community pool of resources that is targeted at the OVERALL community development and improvements for future generations?

    Everything shiite is about selfish, greedy self-satisfaction…..


  40. It is fine work to delve into the details of statutory interpretation. However, I am more interested in the bigger picture, namely, the constant failure of the local legal establishment to write judgements fire-proof at the CCJ.

    Why do we need a Supreme Court with lots of highly paid judges in their many silver Mercedes with big pensions if they fail and fail and fail again ???


  41. @ Tron
    Amen.


  42. Bush Tea,
    You have been called, correctly, risible. You are irrelevant to serous discussions and have replaced sound reasoning for cheap jokes. Pity, as you are old enough to know better.
    Let the women speak: the wives who have to suffer the humiliation of their husbands having parallel families; the jobless young girls who have to prostitute themselves to eke out a living; most of this argument is about men trying to justify their behaviour.
    Anyone from the Ivy/Government Hill will recall a former teacher, with a decent wife and two bright children, who each night would prowl around the area looking for young girls to satisfy his lust.
    Are we to say that he could not control himself, or condemn that immoral behaviour and the humiliation of his family? We can repeat that behaviour hundreds, if not thousands, of times. As a society we need morality in public life. It is learned behaviour, not biological.

  43. Caswell Franklyn Avatar

    Bushie & Tron

    Do you know how many decisions are given by judges that are not appealed to either the Court of Appeal or the CCJ. You are not being fair.

    Sent from my iPad


  44. @ Hal
    I don’t remember saying you opposed same
    sex unions. I agree we have to agree to disagree on this one, my Brother.


  45. Hal lol you make it sound in this equal pay for equal work work we are living in it is only the women that are used. Cuckold men are around too. Lets just say everyone plays the game


  46. @ Caswell
    Do you know how many decisions are given by judges that are not appealed to either the Court of Appeal or the CCJ.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Did you mean ‘how many STUPID, partisan decisions…..’? … hell YES!!

    …the only thing that appears to be consistent, is that the decisions seem to depend to a surprising extent, on the status of the persons affected….

    Perhaps you are too close to the whole mess and have grown accustomed to the stink… but not stinking Bushie.

    The Bushman was hoping that either you or Jeff would dispel Bushie’s fear that the subject Law was DELIBERATELY drafted loosely so that – depending on the whims and fancies of the court, ….the decision could be tailored to suit the appropriate social status of the various complainants….
    Not even BBBBs could otherwise be so incompetent as to leave terms like ‘single’ undefined in such critical legislation…and in a day and age where all kinds of weird co-habitation practices are common…..


  47. Think about it Hal…..

    After angela and Carson, you are easily the most commonly acclaimed fool on BU (and on the other fora where you have ventured).
    That you therefore find Bushie to be risible, is perhaps the ultimate compliment.

    Shiite man!!!
    God forbid that you find otherwise …or worse … that you find agreement with complex Bushie postulations of a spiritual nature….

    ..so thanks.


  48. I agree with BushTea the way things are, so hard to get your share because of taxes ,laws , lawyers and greedy family you may as well marry for love


  49. What an idiot is this Hal Austin.

    The word ‘risible’ was only recently used by Jeff

    So for him to so characterize another, no lesser a personage than the professor emeritus of BU himself, tells us what we are dealing with.

    Two extremes – an idiot and an extremely intelligent person.


  50. Bush Tea,
    As I have said, you have been correctly called risible. You try to make up for your ignorance with cheap jokes. I suggest that you spend more time dealing with the issues.
    You want to hand people, you attack the criminal justice system and lawyers, you are dismissive of the government, yet for all these contrarian views you have not t a position.
    Sometime go, in response to one of your childish jokes, I asked you why companies restructure, in particular insurance companies; still waiting for the answer. In response to your mass hanging demand I asked by the history of lynching in the US, you ran away; you attack victims of mob rule, I raised the issue of guilty until proven innocent and pointed our that mob rule is a form of lynching, you ran away. I have seen you attack a commenter because of his relation to a distant relative.
    I am not surprised you hide your folly behind a nom de plume.

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