David Estwick UAE 4 Billion Dollar Proposal to Restructure Debt Rejected by Cabinet YET he Voted YES to Appropriations Bill

Chris Sinckler, Minister of Finance (l) David Estwick, Minister of Agriculture (r)

In January 2014 Minister of Agriculture David Estwick in a surprising move submitted a proposal to Prime Minister Freundel Stuart urging the Cabinet to refinance and restructure the public debt by sourcing 4 billion USD from the UAE. In what is described as the UAE proposal Estwick advised there was interest by the UAE to lend Barbados the huge sum at an interest rate of between 2 and 4% with a term of 30 years.

Fast forward to 2017: the fiscal position of Barbados has deteriorated and has fueled national discussion about going to the IMF for balance of payment and other support, devaluation, low investor confidence and so on. What is surprising is that Estwick having had his UAE proposal rebuffed by the Cabinet voted YES at the second reading of the Appropriations Bill last night (15/03/2016).

As a public service BU shares the letter Minister David Estwick sent to Prime Minister Freundel Stuart in 2014.

 

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131 Comments on “David Estwick UAE 4 Billion Dollar Proposal to Restructure Debt Rejected by Cabinet YET he Voted YES to Appropriations Bill”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 17, 2017 at 12:02 PM #

    http://bit.ly/2nN0Mk4

    Important info on the deadly yellow fever outbreak in Brazil.

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  2. angela Skeete March 17, 2017 at 12:42 PM #

    To a good parting shot. Percedence set the stage for the Hyatt and the court will agree

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  3. angela Skeete March 17, 2017 at 12:46 PM #

    London

    Not a good parting shot . Precedence has set the stage for the building of the Hyatt and the Courts will agree

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  4. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 17, 2017 at 12:51 PM #

    As’ s….ya like Estwick, make up ya mind..lol

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  5. angela Skeete March 17, 2017 at 1:03 PM #

    To all you guys against the Hyatt using pretentious symbols to derail the project just go back to your hiding hole and take Comissiong with you.
    He has proven to be a pox on all govt projects having no remedial proposals that can generate meaningful measures for our country
    He sits like a lone wolf in the dead of nite to steal and trample any worthwhile benefits that would be of advantage to barbados
    Yet there are those who are too politically blind to see or understand his devious motives although the evidence lies in the fact that he would endorse communist ideologies and practices while holding fast to a disguse formula of wanting to help barbados

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  6. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 17, 2017 at 1:08 PM #

    http://bit.ly/2nND9rG

    Can anyone say that the voters are getting exactly what they deserve, exactly what they voted for, they knew what they woukd get, what would happen, but tgey voted for it anyway.. …now they got it…be careful what you wish for. .

    Bajan voters should take note.

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  7. Tron March 17, 2017 at 3:09 PM #

    Lord Bannon is increasing the US defence budget by 54 billion USD. Expect an American – Chinese scenario within the next fourt years. The Caribbean is a potential military theatre as well in this greater scenario, since some countries have signed military contracts with PRC.

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  8. Gabriel March 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM #

    Right next door we ought to keep a watch on that place Guyana now that the man Jagdeo wants to return to President.He and Trump are an exact match.Liars,psychopaths,lunatics,
    demagogues all believe they have a divine right to control their universe.Guyana’s Granger is dealing with a madman.He should take notice.

    http://kaiteurnewsonline.com/2017/03/16/on-its-knees-2/

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  9. bajans March 17, 2017 at 5:59 PM #

    If you have been vaccinated for Yellow fever, you are supposed to be immune for life. Trinidad had an outbreak in 1979 and I went for Carnival. No problem.

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  10. de pedantic Dribbler March 17, 2017 at 6:46 PM #

    “The price of oil will go up in the future, take this for granted.”

    @Tron March 16, at 8:16 PM…Your crystal ball needs cleaning.

    You are taking ‘for granted’ dynamics of an oil market that has changed completely.

    Pundits like yourself made similar remarks in the last two years that the price of oil would return to its $100/barrel price point. It has NOT and likely will not get anywhere near there again unless DPRK’s Kim Jong starts a war.

    It’s all about shale oil revolution in the US. If (when) this dynamic, new and environmentally destructive fracking oil exploration process is embraced by other oil-deposited countries which will then generate even more oil capacity the Sauds particularly will seek to maintain their market share in the face of high supply.

    Prices surely will not increase when there is over-capacity of that ‘commodity’.

    For every price point north of the general range of $55/barrel there is an invitation to ’frackers’ to seek oil stored in the rock shales. Below $50 the experts suggest that their costs becomes too expensive ‘a well to hoe’, so to speak.

    For the Sauds that $50 range thus becomes an ‘artificial’ sweet spot.

    So I imagine that there are surely great reasons to dismiss the UAE proposal but a future big price increase in oil prices in not one of them.

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  11. NorthernObserver March 17, 2017 at 9:38 PM #

    @Tron
    has the fear of a meltdown ever dampened the enthusiasm of the MoF or the PM? They do not share such fears. You cannot expect the Zebra to shed its stripes?

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  12. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 18, 2017 at 4:29 AM #

    https://www.barbadostoday.bb/2017/03/18/oh-no-mara/

    The very backward and ignorant Mara Thompson who did not earn her seat in government being insulting to Bajan women and children, if this does not open the eyes of the people of St. John whom she openly insults when she feels like, nothing will.

    Get rid if this backward jackass Mara Thompson who wants to see children in Barbados picking bottles insread of using their brains and natural skills and talents..

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  13. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 18, 2017 at 4:55 AM #

    https://www.barbadostoday.bb/2017/03/18/bye-bye-stuart/

    Fruendel’s constituents want him GONE, Bajans are not as stupid as everyone believes they are, particularly DBLP, they do not need degrees to see they are being robbed, deceived, lied to and victimized by government ministers.

    …… personally, I prefer give people the benefit of the doubt, they know they have been played for fools by both political parties for decades, they know as soon as these slimy politicians are elected by them, they act and think just like the repugnant and disgusting Mara Thompson and the idiot Steve Blackett and arrogant Fruendel, Inniss, Sinckler etc who have no empathy or sympathy for those they cause to suffer and struggle.

    The people will do what they know is right for election, even though they know they do not have good options..

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  14. Bush Tea March 18, 2017 at 7:45 AM #

    @ WW&C
    Fruendel’s constituents want him GONE
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The only problem is that the alternative is even worse than he is….
    At least he keeps his damn mouth shut.

    Imagine as country that spent so much money on education finds itself in such a Catch 22 position ….in practically EVERY constituency…?

    Ass=Grass

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  15. Violet Beckles CUP Plantation Deeds from 1926-2017 land tax bills and no Deeds,BLPand DLP Massive land Fruad and PONZI March 18, 2017 at 8:15 AM #

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  16. Violet Beckles CUP Plantation Deeds from 1926-2017 land tax bills and no Deeds,BLPand DLP Massive land Fruad and PONZI March 18, 2017 at 8:20 AM #

    PONZI needs more money to live to get past next election and we will be in all Hell in the next 3 years. To keep the Massive Fraud keep keeping on, How the Mighty has fallen,

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  17. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 18, 2017 at 8:49 AM #

    Bushman…I agree both political parties DBLP should be disbanded, but in looking at this present reality, if properly guided, the 120,000 or less bajans who vote can up end the decades only vicious practice of bpth parties by splitting their vptes evenly between the 5 or 6 parties who are presenting themselves as candidates, that will destroy the stupid “we win the government” mentality of ministers and yardfowld that the electorate has endured for 50 years, they will all have to start working instead of honeymooning, preening, starting disenfranchising scams and schemes against the prople or getting arrogant and disrespectful to the people who elected them, none of the parties should get more than 25% or less of the electoral votes. ..

    But the electorate needs guidance.

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  18. Prodigal Son March 18, 2017 at 11:24 AM #

    I listen to some of the debate last night and was appalled at the arrogance of James Paul.

    The Opposition lead was trying to educate the moron on the way how debates should be conducted “in committee”. The man would not listen and got agitated and hot under the collar. Mia took her seat and left the idiot alone.

    No wonder we are where we are today….their hignorance knows no bounds…..to quote David.

    But James Paul is a hypocrite………..in a former role I used to talk to him and on many occaions I would ask how are things going and the man would say that he does not like what is going on, his constituents are suffering and on on and on he would speak of the government of which he is a part.

    Look at his pretend outrage at the importation of chicken wings by one of Dumbville’s constituents……..whatever happened to the inquiry that was supposed to have taken place?

    We are doomed under Fumble and his fools.

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  19. Prodigal Son March 18, 2017 at 11:36 AM #

    What’s up with Mara Thompson picking a fight with Mia and Santia about them not having children?

    Some women choose to have children, some choose not to…….that does not make them ignorant on how to deal with children. This woman is an idiot.

    I would not attack her but she should really look into a mirror.
    Is she a good mother?

    Are her children squeaky clean as result of her parenting?

    Is she a good example when her children would hear and read how she as an office manager of her husband’s law firm helped to launder 3.3 million dollars and then calimed she knew nothing about it?

    Did she ever question howher husband ended up so filthy rich when he was only a part time lawyer?

    How does she look into the mirror every day and know that CLICO policyholders are suffering when she hears the judicial manages say that a lot of fraud took place?

    Woman give me a break! You dont have to born a child to be a parent…….my sister does not have any but she is one of the best to my children.

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  20. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 18, 2017 at 11:45 AM #

    Mara should be questioned on why SHE allowed St. John to further deteriorate under HER representaion for the last 8 years….or lack of…..her display is one of ignorance….it appears that all she is good at is dozing in parliamnent, an ignorant, lazy woman.

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  21. Violet C Beckles CUP March 18, 2017 at 12:00 PM #

    Estwick is a crook acting like he wants to help,dont be fooled again , Yes we have spoken to him face to face,
    Vote CUP end the games and the fraud, every crook will get skin up this time around,

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  22. Gabriel March 18, 2017 at 2:46 PM #

    Mara owes Barbadians an explanation as to why she neglected the Yearwood family of Clifton Hill,St John.We want the Opposition spokesperson on welfare and constituency councils to grill King Dyal and woman from Helen who inherited and continues the neglect true to form.
    Similiarly we want confirmation from the Pit Bull and from the dozing minister of health that none of this tainted meat was allowed onto the plates of Bajans and tourists over the past 2 years.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-39311336

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  23. Kevin March 18, 2017 at 3:39 PM #

    Edmund Hinkson and George Payne have one another in court. Yet, they are standing together as a team. Whats the author’s point. Estwick knows he’s part of a team and is putting his differences aside. Just like Hinkson, Payne and may I add Symmonds.

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  24. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 18, 2017 at 3:40 PM #

    Mara owes Bajans lots of things, she owes them respect first and foremost, she has no respect for bajans, just like her late husband, then she owes an apology for her insulting, disrespectful attitude to women and children, children are not on this earth just to pick up bottles, did her daughters pick up bottles….she owes the island an apology fpr her arrogance, her neglect of St. John and it’s people and all the money she has been collecting from taxpayers as a salary monthly for 8 years for doing no work, should be returned to the taxpayers…..

    …..what a useless human who now has the nerve to highlight how neglected St. John is when she is the one maliciously and deliberately neglecting the people and parish….she is acting as though bajans are too stupid to see she is neglecting St. John.

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  25. Tron March 18, 2017 at 3:41 PM #

    Big “Jester” Sink announced plans for a “new hospital” today. From what money? The bigger the figure, the funnier the ideas.

    A hospital for “chronic disease”. What about banning Chefette, KFC, Burger King instead and proper school meals?

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  26. David March 18, 2017 at 4:05 PM #

    This is not the point the MoF made. He stated Barbados cannot afford to build a new hospital and what the discussion should be about is looking at the types of ailments the country is battling and to fill that need e.g.rising NCDs and the like.

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  27. David March 18, 2017 at 4:06 PM #

    @Kevin

    You have just exposed you are a partisan political illiterate.

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  28. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 18, 2017 at 4:10 PM #

    Let’s make a list.

    Ministers who are neglecting their constituents.

    Fruendel Stuart. …his constituents want him gone, he neglected them for 9 years, he lies consistently and acts like he lives in a twilight zone

    Mara Thompson…..so arrogant and disrespectful she dont think anyone noticed she has neglected St. John for 8 years

    Steve Blackett…..his constituents want him gone for neglecting them., he is too dumb to be a minister

    The 4 ministers in St. Philip and 3 in Christ Church, or vice versa…….where poop was running in the streets and into the sea…..spent millions on an independence celebration instead of fixing the sewage system……..ah bet Dennis Lowelife is one…….he who is also neglecting his constituents in Christ Church and also tells lies on his constituents

    ….ah bet Adriel Nitwit Dimwit is one, he who wants a mental court, but cannot get the one supreme court and magistrates court to function like a real court…….he cant control the lawyers and insurance companies who abuse the supreme court……. ……so what will happen with this new mental court….it will not function, just like the judicial system he now heads…..a court system that does not work for injured people or anyone else…. an Attorney General that is useless to the people.

    Michael Lashley……… he cannot get the transport board to function efficiently like a real transport system, he is unable unable to buy new buses, unable to get efficient bus schedules to service a tiny island….

    David Estwick………cannot manage the Water Authority or Agriculture, is not capable of cutting the wastage of importing food……..he should not have a ministerial portfolio

    Chris Sinckler….I should let Piece elaborate on this one, he obviously is clueless about his job description and now wants to build a new hospital, they cant find the money for toilet paper, medicines or medical supplies for the little hpspital they now have, but can find money for a brand new one, they cant find money to fix roads, street lights…paint the crosswalks, but they are building a new hospital..more lies for election….they cannot finish the polyclinic in St. John….too much unexplained cost overruns…….need I say more.

    Feel free to add the names I forgot

    What good are any of these ministers.

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  29. Violet Beckles CUP Plantation Deeds from 1926-2017 land tax bills and no Deeds,BLPand DLP Massive land Fruad and PONZI March 18, 2017 at 5:11 PM #

    All of them need t go Dlp and the Blp suck the Life out of the Banks and the people, was it 24 Billion in Banks and people cant get Clear Tile loans, Why Fraud and PONZI, all the money ever printed sitting the Banks of Barbados and cant move, To Much land fraud ,,, Now the Banks and lawyer stuck for they suck, Teeeffffing lawyer , dirty land deals, Vote CUP for Clear titles , lets get Barbados moving again,

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  30. Kevin March 18, 2017 at 5:16 PM #

    @ Well Well, Michael Lasley is loved in SPN, Estwick is loved in SPW, Brathwaithe whilst not loved, is tolerated in SPS. He rides on the coat-tails of the popular Michael Lasley and gets most of his votes in districts close to SPN. Sinckler, a terrible MOF, but loved in SMNW. Mara is loved in SJ. The PM will be voted in back in. Not sure about Blackett. The BLP needs to focus on the St. Michael and certain Ch Ch seats if the want to win. The brand of the DLP is tarnished, however dont underestimate the politicians at the local constituency level. If the people like them, they will be voted back in regardless.

    @ David, I love you too.

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  31. angelaSkeete March 18, 2017 at 5:28 PM #

    a week has gone by since the march ,now what ?
    No elections has been called Sinckler is still MOF and Stuart is still PM makes one wonder what the hullabaloo was all about

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  32. David March 18, 2017 at 5:55 PM #

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  33. angelaSkeete March 18, 2017 at 6:54 PM #

    next the wickham poll intended to reflect the pulse of barbados nevertheless a poll which would only represents the voice of the blp party and its supporters , so bad that a march which over a week ago had barbadians chattering that within a week have been regulated to the dust bin of political grandstanding having little or no effect on how the electorate would cast their vote
    reason being that the gran Marshall of the parade Mia Mottley rather than talk alternatives relished in the spotlight of sefl adoration and slap back emotional appeal

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  34. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM #

    Kevin…,…i am not hot on either party, they are all paraites looking for titles, status, scams ad free taxpayer’s money instead of working for the people who will elect them, they are both more of the same, who isnt cursed with the colonial slave mentality is cursed with dishonesty, the crab mentality and the me mentality….all ugly to look at, if ya capable of seeing their ugliness.

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  35. curious March 18, 2017 at 9:01 PM #

    I am just wondering when the Muslim lady say that Barbadians are suffering which is a mantra of the BLP what she means. Venezuela is just down there to our south, is a rich oil producing country just deployed 9000 troops to visit bakeries to make sure they use the flour to make bread and not pastries.
    What do we produce? Why are there so many pick up trucks and SUVs on our roads pot hole and all. Something is wrong with our psyche. This present set of Bajan will cause the country to be in debt for the next 100 years. It all about consuming, They want every gadget on the market. Politicians keep feeding them this narrative that we punching above our weight and we can do better. High wages and low productivity will be our downfall. It is only Tourism and a new mosquito borne disease could speed up that downfall.

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  36. Tron March 18, 2017 at 10:30 PM #

    It is interesting to count the word “devaluation” in the media. Compare the numbers for 2015, 2016 and 201. You will see how close we are to the finish line.

    It will even be more interesting to see what will happen to projects during construction, if they are hit by devaluation in the middle of the process. If I was a bankster, I won´t issue any new loans for any project for the next two years. The risk is too high.

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  37. NorthernObserver March 18, 2017 at 11:41 PM #

    @Tron
    all these same banks have also operated in Guyana, T&T and J’ca, economies which have devalued many times. They know how to handle it. Even the larger publicly traded companies face currency risk in the myriad of markets in which they operate. And when currencies fluctuate too much, deals are set in $US.
    Ultimately, it is people, not the government, who determine the value of a currency. As long as $US are readily available little will happen. Yet, the pressure is being applied from two sides, decreasing reserves of $US and an increasing supply of $Bds. At some point, along the current trajectory, demand for $US will outstrip the supply and people will be willing to pay more than $2Bds for a $US.

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  38. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 19, 2017 at 4:26 AM #

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/94742/road-safety-association-fix-lights

    The government cannot get street lights fixed, many roads are in total darkness.., death traps.

    When Koffi Anan made that punching above the weight comment for Barbados, he rightly saw that the then government had over extended itself……but he used the wrong phrase….but all the idiots since that comment was made have misinterpreted it to mean something entirely different and have continued to over extend the economy and now they are embedded and saturated in debt, I doubt if anyone ever took a dictionary to see the definition of punching above ya weight….including Anan himself.

    “if you say that someone is punching above their weight, you mean that they are having a romantic relationship with someone who is a lot more attractive than they are.”

    “A country or organization that is seen as punching above it’s weight has more influence internationally than it’s size would suggest.”

    Actually, Anan was wrong, he used the phrase in the wrong context.

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  39. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 19, 2017 at 4:38 AM #

    http://bit.ly/2nzYE34

    A continuing reality for born Americans.

    “A retired police chief from North Carolina claims he was profiled and unreasonably detained at Kennedy Airport while returning from celebrating his mother’s 80th birthday in Paris.

    Greenville’s former top cop Hassan Aden said he was held at JFK for an hour and a half as U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents attempted to “clear me for entry,” he penned in a lengthy Facebook post describing the ordeal. Aden later clarified that he was detained on March 13.

    “My freedoms were restricted, and I cannot be sure it won’t happen again, and that it won’t happen to my family, my children, the next time we travel abroad,” Aden reflected on Saturday.

    Not even Aden’s decades-long law enforcement resume made a difference.

    The customs agent told Aden his “name was used as an alias by someone on some watch list.”

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  40. David March 19, 2017 at 8:04 AM #

    If the foreign exchange comes in from the Hyatt, Sam Lords and a few other smaller projects the would have bought time BUT it is a never ending cycle -there must be a constant flow of FDI to supplement revenues from tourism.

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  41. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 19, 2017 at 9:30 AM #

    That would mean the useless ministers would actually have to start doing some honest work for the taxpayer’s money, besides telling lies on a daily basis. ..I cant see that..lol

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  42. TheGazer March 19, 2017 at 10:01 AM #

    Browsed the letter this morning. These things are not my forte, but it seem to make sense. Browsed the comments. Don’t think I saw a comment on the letter’s merit or lack of merit.

    –]——-

    As we scour the world for UAE, Russian or Chinese aid, we have to ask ourselves “What is it we are bringing to the negotiation table?” Who are we dealing with?

    One morning we may wake up with our fist full of dollars but not liking our bed-mate.

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  43. de pedantic Dribbler March 19, 2017 at 10:14 AM #

    Perspective and context are wonderful things re WW&C March 19, at 4:38 AM …

    Since the terror attacks of 9-11 citizens of all countries have been detained and grilled at airports because of name similarities or even for having Muslim names or affiliations.

    Most famously for me was the musician known in my youth as Cat Stevens.

    He had changed his name to Yusuf Islam and voila was caught up in this terror travel ban in the early 2000s. In fact his plane was diverted and he was removed and sent back to UK….all because his name was quite similar to that of a known terrorist.

    Like Steven lots of brothers (‘Detroit Red’ and Cassius Clay two other most famous) embraced the peace of Islamic teaching back in the day and changed their names…unfortunately, that has become a real pain for people like Stevens since 9-11…

    That’s life.

    The Police Chief needs to give himself lots of time whenever he is travelling…once your name – inaccurately or otherwise – is flagged on a terrorist’s travel watch list it is a painfully long process to avoid continued problems…regardless of who is in the WH

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  44. TheGazer March 19, 2017 at 10:34 AM #

    @DPD
    I saw a joke where the authorities were able to track a cow with mad cow disease across the border from Canada to somewhere in the US but have issues in identifying people.

    It boggles the mind to believe that everything is just an accident. Those in power are showing an outright disrespect to some of its citizens.

    It is good to have answers, but quite often they do not address the underlying questions.

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  45. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 19, 2017 at 10:35 AM #

    That’s not life Pedant, it’s harrassment, ya too quick to accept your own degradation….the terrorists in the US are mostly white, the killers in the US are mostly white, the mentally ill in the US are mostly white.., the thieves in the US are mostly white, the drug addicts, welfare fraudsters etc are mostly white.

    This is government overreaching because they can, it is a show of power…it’s not life, it’s wickedness…that will manifest itself more as time passes.

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  46. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 19, 2017 at 10:42 AM #

    Besides. ..Mohammed Ali’s son was detained twice within weeks while traveling inside the US, despite everyone knowing who he is…it is called profiling based on skin color and names.

    And as the net widens to torment people white Americans are also being detained.

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  47. de pedantic Dribbler March 19, 2017 at 12:09 PM #

    @TheGazer at 10:34 AM …Actually, that joke could be quite true.

    Consider, a Canadian ‘bull-cow’ branded and tagged is sent to OldMacDees Farm in Arkansas, US and does not go wandering off somewhere else. Then it’s quite possible to find the beautiful bull before he gets busy with his own type of attacks.

    But also consider that if there is uncertainty of what and where he had already infiltrated with his insidious disease that all of OldMacDees cattle may become collateral damage. Yes!

    Identification is still a problematic game even with unique branding (fprints, iris/facial recog) because a 100 black bulls all look the same – so do a list of names all showing Yusuf. Yosuf or Yosef Salam/Salem. — of course systems vet you now before you get on the plane.

    But unless your ‘branding’ is individually examined in that way it is as impossible to validate Mr Mad Cow from Mr Non-Mad Cow or Yosuf Salem Mohammed from Yosuf Salam Mohammed.

    We have to be practical. There will be honest errors or false positives just as there will be harassment and profiling. The latter has to be aggressively handled even as the main thrust of safety remains in focus.

    We cannot become complacent.

    The Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam incident happened in 2004 as several others have over the ensuing years.

    That the main terror incidents in the US have been white supremacists or lone wolf US based Islamic insurgent radicals is not in contention.

    But to become overly aggressive about genuine false positives which will plague and bug the system is totally counter-productive.

    The issues surrounding Mohammed Ali’s son are problematic and clearly have reached a discriminatory level but as with the Police Chief he can choose to either travel and give himself ample time to deal with the BS; not travel or to create a ruckus every time he travels.

    There is a time to shout and a time to be mild. Never have I experienced a one behaviour fits all situations that was successful.

    You, Ms WW&C apparently have had such one size fits all in your world. More power to you.

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  48. TheGazer March 19, 2017 at 12:26 PM #

    I am glad that you are aware of the one size fits all argument. When the son of Muhammad Ali can be stopped twice, you would like me to believe that the authorities are using a finely tuned instrument to catch ‘problems’ instead of one size fits all. Seems more like a catch and release approach. Why must Ali’s son act unlike any other American (because he is black?) Don’t be so willing to accept the status quo. But again, you are Bajan.

    I am an old m an and so I suffer less indignities than previously, but when I was younger it used to bother me that I was always stopped randomly when entering the US and yet could not get one winning lottery ticket.

    You will hear me talk of how great is the USA. but I will also/always admit that we have our share of problems.

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  49. TheGazer March 19, 2017 at 12:27 PM #

    In the words of one of my heroes here.. you can have the last word

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  50. TheGazer March 19, 2017 at 12:29 PM #

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  51. de pedantic Dribbler March 19, 2017 at 1:20 PM #

    @Gazer, what last word what. Really.

    The issue of Mohammed Ali’s son is a smelly red-herring on the debate about travel lists simply because it is so obviously a discriminatory matter.

    So I am confused and amused that we move from discussing the real and relevant issues of travel list management and the problems inherent therein to validating everything around a discriminatory act by a bunch of Customs and Border agents.

    Incidentally Ali according to reports was stopped the second time after he had done a public disapproval at a Congressional appearance in Washington…he was delayed very briefly.

    But clearly being stopped had not one thing to do with plane security as he had been quizzed just a few days prior. It was petty prejudice and discrimination.

    That type behaviour cannot and must never move the gaze off the very serious issue of travel security.

    By your own admission petty power plays by federal law officers is as old as a well aged Bajan rum so if it’s lost on you that the petty folly should never be mixed up and confused with the practical and serious business of travel security standards then that’s sad.

    We must work to stamp out profiling and prejudice. But we cannot stop careful and sometimes over-zealous scrutiny.

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  52. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 19, 2017 at 3:18 PM #

    Pedant…just say you cant face reality putting a fancy spin on evil saw your ancestors enslaved for centuries…and you still will not learn.

    Good luck crossing the border.

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  53. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 19, 2017 at 3:23 PM #

    A word of warning though, those little mutts from the hicks, get paid $9 an hour, some more, some less to be immigration officers, smiling up in their faces gets them even more angry, they were raised to be racist and hateful of black people….brown people etc.

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  54. de pedantic Dribbler March 19, 2017 at 5:57 PM #

    @WW&C, yours is a place where any practical thought with which you disagree is assaulted with tales of slavery’s long shadow.

    According to you, everyone is tainted by their slave ancestry and their entrapped mental capacity… oh lawd…pull the trigger do. Have gun… will shoot. Stand your ground!

    Yours is just like the US Congress or the Bajan House of Assem…no practical discourse of issues…simply rants, rants and more rants of an entrenched position.

    Managing no-fly lists or profile discrimination at airports or fingerprinting at GAIA is serious and practical business and must have a practical discourse.

    Your seeming inability to recognize the meat of the matter and properly discharge the real issues from the false issue does not augur well for anyone who meets you with your ‘glock’ primed for action.

    You are the perfect BU conundrum wrapped in a enigma baked into a pretzel!

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  55. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger March 19, 2017 at 11:11 PM #

    Pedant…that’s exactly what the slaves said before they were thrown overboard, the ones who survived never saw the prosperity they were promised…fool me once shame on you…fool me twice………

    This is just the more refined, updated version, that the blind like yourself cannot comprehend, it’s way beyond you. …ya will never learn.

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  56. Hal Austin March 21, 2017 at 8:44 AM #

    David,
    The Barbados dollar has just been devalued for the fourth day in succession. Have the prime minister, minister of finance or people of the nation been told of this?
    Let me explain: it is the Greenback that has lost value against a basket of currencies.

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