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fakenewsRecently a list of more than 200 โ€˜alternative news sitesโ€™ were referenced by the Washington Post, as secondary source, as being the bearers of questionable information. These 200 websites covered a fairly wide range of opinion, from Russiaโ€™s RT to Alex Jonesโ€™ Prison Planet Radio.

We will argue that anything we see, hear or read, in any environment, could hardly be considered beyond question. Whether we are talking about politics, economy, technology, physical environment, social or legal we see nothing but official lies passing as truths. For it is the area between our ears which represents the most valuable real estate on earth, or mars, for the community of interests.

In between, many critical, alternative news sites, were tarred and feathered by forces which seem to have cleverly cloaked an intention to eliminate or stain fierce competition to the perennial lies of the mainstream. Our instincts suggest, that the targeting of some of the sites was to engender a certain level of confusion. In the intelligence business, such a project is best known as a โ€˜limited hang-outโ€™.

And it has been previously disclosed that all the major, official, fake news networks, CNN, MSNBC, FOX News, Deutsche Welle, BBC, France 21, PBS, Public Radio, etc, are provided constant guidance by the intelligence agencies of the USA. They have their networks of people stationed within. How else would they be able to cover the same (selected) issues in generally the same ways, at the same time, by the same kinds of people, while always reaching the same kinds conclusions.

We were in Czechoslovakia about 30 years ago, to witness an amazing and ongoing propaganda coup. It was a country where the people watched the fake news to hear what was NOT being reported. To make judgements about what the regime did NOT say. In the West, we have come to need that kind of intelligence, especially when dealing with private media working as government propagandists.

Or the story about the Russians who came to the USA during the time of the USSR and wondered how all the media would cover all the stories in the same way. They were to marvel at such a feat and hoped to be able to implement same behind the โ€˜iron curtainโ€™. What freedom! What fake news!

Or even โ€˜Democracy Nowโ€™, a programmed stolen from WBAI as developed by the late Samori Marksman, which continues to distribute fake news about some formation called LGBTQ. With an Amy Goodman telling the same kinds of officials lies about Americaโ€™s illegal wars as does the mainstream, to appease her funders. Funders linked to the military-industrial-intelligence-complex. These are the so-called โ€˜progressivesโ€™ in media. They are no less infiltrated.

Our world is highly-propagandized state. The globalization of propaganda. Every major institution is infiltrated by intelligence agencies of one kind or the next. More and more electronically. And fake news is a strategic weapon for internal control.

Or the Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) whose notion of evening fake news could be missed by viewers for 15 years without being any less mis-informed. This state-sponsored propaganda medium never seems to be able to find a way to be even critically supportive of the regime of the day.

We were surprised at the emergence of fake news, about fake news, at the height of fake news, in the time of Trump and his ‘fakery’. Just maybe, the emergence of fake news may have something to do with the rise of Trumpism. And while there may be some logic to that way of thinking, there is also an age-old problem of fake news which must be engaged.

We canโ€™t but argue that fake news has become the normal way of the human. Even โ€˜good newsโ€™ is no less fake. Do we not know, with certainty, that the Bible is replete, from genesis to revelations, with fake news? Have we not been raised on Reddiffusion and the BBC with fake news, the news the British wanted us to hear? Is it not a truism that from the very beginnings of time fake information has been used to deceive most of us? Is it not fake information which has our world upside down?

In all this, there is a misguided presumption that the Washington Post, the Barbados Nation, The Advocate News, the New York Times, operate above the spectre of fake news. Are these not the leading lights of journalism, which gave us the illegal wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Supported terrorists as proxy armies for empire. Promoted the โ€˜White Helmetsโ€™ as recipients for Nobel Prizes, Right Livelihood Awards โ€“ the alternative Nobel. And do not local papers carry international news from a very small circle of media.

While Obama is exiting and Trump, taking over, the nexus between the intelligence agencies and the role of propaganda or fake news is centered around Russia and its alleged interference in the US elections. How much more fake can โ€˜newsโ€™ be? None of the media who we are to tell the โ€˜realโ€™ fake news can possibly address the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

That real news is the centuriesโ€™ old interference in other countriesโ€™ elections by American government agencies, particularly the CIA and NGOs in its pay. If we were from Mars we would be left to assume that this type of thing has never happened before, not on earth. Not when the media of the most powerful country is willing to spread the fake news of its president, in cahoots with untrustworthy secret agencies, based wholly on unproven statements.

If we were from Mars, we might even assume that earthlings were unintelligent beings. If the most powerful man, in the most powerful country, was the most stupid person on the planet, we would conclude that the humanoid was not very smart at all. We could not have known that the humanoid was so ill-informed, and purposely made to be, by fake news. Trumpism for you!

But the Martians will quickly come to realize how earthlings are made to operate within a tapestry of lies. And that for them to gain power on earth they must take control of the vast architecture of fake news which dominates the lives of earthlings.

At the center of the social sciences is the need to measure perceptions, determine gaps and finds ways to satisfy needs. In the hands of politicians, intelligence apparati and ‘fake news’ media networks, instead of managing perceptions, human perceptions are created by this vast propaganda โ€˜machinesโ€™.

We have lost control over notions of free will. Are firmly located within the post-1984 world of George Orwell. And way beyond the โ€˜manufacturing of consentโ€™!


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373 responses to “Fake News, Media Propaganda & ‘Managing’ Public Perceptions”


  1. No the media won because the media did not buy Nixom tall tales of lies and deceit unlike todays media both liberal and conservative who seems afraid of Donald and gingerly used any word to or phrase to omit his deliberate nefarious intention to conjure up unbelivable stories


  2. โ€œDonald Trump refused to answer a question from a CNN reporter during his press conference at Trump Tower in New York on Wednesday, as retribution for the CNN story that said he and Barack Obama had been presented with claims that Russia had compromising financial and personal information about the president-elect.โ€

    โ€œNot you. Your organization is terrible,โ€ said Trump, when CNNโ€™s senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta, tried to ask a question.โ€

    โ€œSince youโ€™re attacking us, can you give us a question? Mr. President-elect, since youโ€™re attacking our news organization, can you give us a chance?โ€ asked Acosta.โ€

    โ€œIโ€™m not going to give you a question. You are fake news,โ€ said the president-elect.โ€

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The above excerpt, taken from Wednesday, January 11, 2017 edition of โ€œThe Guardian,โ€ clearly indicates that Donald Trump is a THIN-SKINNED IMMATURE boy living in a 70 year old manโ€™s body.


  3. WSJ says Christopher Steele, a director at Orbis Business Intelligence Ltd, is the Brit who created the dossier of lies about Trump.

    Trump needs to put him under “heavy manners”.

  4. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Chad at 11:30 AM that is nonsense. Was there not a firestorm when the same Intel folks in the person of FBI Dir Comey called to account an investigation of a Presidential candidate. Obama also called for a rapprochement with Russia. But he didn’t kiss-up to the tyrant as Trump is doing. Let’s get real….Why do you cherry pick data to validate your positions. Unseemly and hypocritical !

    You certainly can continue to write your stuff but Trump CANNOT win a war with the Intel community and does not have that luxury aimlessly to continue . He needs to embrace them and stop the stupid criticism of the Intel community as a group.

    Incidentally for your information. For all the anger Trump has about leaks let it be clear that Obama was just as miffed during his tenure:

    “First Amendment and whistleblower groups said the Obama administration was continuing a crackdown on disclosures of sensitive details that saw more than TWICE* as many prosecutions for leaking than during the tenure of ALL HIS PREDECESSORS COMBINED.”
    (
    – my emphasis)

    Apart from the conviction of the former CIA Chief Gen. Petraeus the one that takes the cake is the drive for a two year jail term for the former Vice Chair of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Cartwright โ€” once called Obamaโ€™s โ€œfavorite generalโ€.

    I am sure at some point you will acclaim Trump as the paragon of prosecuting leaks also…as you are with this Russia rapprochement ‘fresh news’. Comedy Central!

    And at 4:40PM…rather apocryphal that Donald J Trump the man who launched his campaign on absolute lies and complete inaccurate BS of a birther claim should be so teeded-off about some ‘secret’ report with innuendo, some lies and surely some TRUTH.

    You are beyond salvation oh Chad 6 for a 9!

  5. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    When Trump and his tools at Brietbart the Kremlin, the National Enquirer etc. were making up and disseminating clear and obvious lies about Hillary Clinton all of the Trump fans and many other Americans fell for the lies. Now it appears that the shoe is on the other foot Trump is crying foul. Methinks there is a clearer path to the truth in the allegations against Trump than the the ones against Clinton.

    It couldn’t happen to a more deserving fellow!

    Chad 45. I think you have been hoisted on your own petard.


  6. I was watching Trump’s favourite news channel FOX News last night. Heard one host thanking God the horror of Obama is finally over.

    Look……….. the Barbados economy suffered yet another downgrade.

    That is news more worthy of discussion, rather than focusing on a lying shiite bucket like Trump.

    Whereas we have one more year to struggle with Froon and his goons before giving them the boot, Americans have 4 years to deal with Trump.


  7. Trump is a habitual liar, but he did not have to lie about Hillary Clinton. She lies all the time, so all he had to do was document her lies and remind voters about them.

    Just remember, Hillary is all about nepotism — her daughter is paid by the Clinton Foundation, which has raised funds by selling access to Hillary when she was a public servant. Hillary also believes in double-dipping — taking a salary from the Federal government and then using her federal position to take bribes from foreign government officials.

    Trump won’t even take a federal salary, and his business empire was built BEFORE he became a politician..


  8. Trump is a habitual liar is a damming indictment of the president elect Donald Trump who in several days will place his hands on the table and swore to uphold the USA Constitution


  9. Trump is a habitual liar is a damming indictment of the president elect Donald Trump who in several days will place his hands on the bible and swore to uphold the USA Constitution


  10. AC

    How is Froon any different?


  11. Pachaman how is Froon any different ?


  12. Christopher Steele better ask the British Govโ€™t to put him into protective custody like Salman Rushdie or he is likely to meet an โ€œaccidentโ€ with an errant umbrella like Georgi Markov or he may โ€œaccidentallyโ€ ingest some polonium like Alexander Litvinenko. If he survives any โ€œaccidentsโ€ he may become a human scientific oddity like Victor Yushchenko.

    Dead men tell no tales


  13. The Drumpfing down of the Presidency is in full swing, at the Press Conference today Drumpf refused to answer a question from a CNN reporter who later claimed that Sean Spicer (Drumpfโ€™s Press Secretary) threatened to throw him out.

    If Drumpf could restrict his Pressers to Fox where Billy O, the Irish choirboy could lob soft balls at him all will be well. Fox just settled a sexual harassment law suit against Billy O which is the second one launched against him that they settled guess his ratings must be through the roof. Those Conservatives at Fox sure like to mount the talent (or try to) so they have that in common with Drumpf, Fox also settled two against Ailes.

    Memo in the boardroom at Fox: Casting couch in full effect

    Speaking of that leaked document which claimed Drumpf hired prostitutes in Moscow it wouldnโ€™t be the first time that a Drumpf has hired prostitutes. CBC News Canada (a fake news organization) run a story that claimed Drumpfโ€™s grandfather ran a whorehouse in the Yukon before he decamped to NYC with a small fortune, perhaps thatโ€™s how Drumpf came up with the notion โ€œGrab them by the Pakalakaโ€

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/trump-canada-yukon-1.3235254


  14. In the United States, many sexual harassment lawsuits are a way for ambitious, greedy female predators to monetize their contacts and work relationships with high-profile men ( like Bill O’Reilly) who the females can plausibly accuse of making passes at them.

    The despicable side of feminism.


  15. Sarge as you have said a lot of people seem to try and get a leg over when they can, look at all the scandals in dem hollywood, lets see what comes out of the woodwork now that obama is out of office. .


  16. America is a declining power. Why are we spending so much invaluable time discussing a KKK supporter when we could be discussing the future of Barbados.
    Is it because people an easily watch CNN with its bogus journalism and cut annd past from their favourite websites?


  17. On a few occasions Trump has said if he was elected we would find out who really brought down the WTC towers on 9/11, but one has to wonder if the evidence started pointing the “wrong” way would the peons ever really be allowed get the facts of the matter with President Trump calling the shots?

    In the video below the unidentified individual who starts speaking at the 50sec mark is former State Dept employee Michael J. Springmann who headed up the Visa Bureau at the US consulate in Jeddah Saudi Arabi. He has claimed that his refusals of US Visas to applicants he deemed to be suspicious or questionable when applying the normal rules and standards for evaluating applicants were often overruled by the CIA. Over his protests he was often ordered to grant the visas he had previously refused to these suspicious individuals. He is now retired from the State Department and has authored a book: Visas for Al Qaeda: CIA Handouts That Rocked the World: An Insider’s View


  18. Note that the video above repeats itself for the first 3 or 4 minutes, presumably due to sloppy editing.

  19. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @chad45 at 1:16 AM — you said: “In the United States, many sexual harassment lawsuits are a way for ambitious, greedy female predators to monetize their contacts and work relationships with high-profile men ( like Bill Oโ€™Reilly) who the females can plausibly accuse of making passes at them….The despicable side of feminism.”

    There is some validity to that.

    But a lot more on the other side.

    Considering this O’Reilly high-profile man would have received layers of lawyerly advice since at least early 2000 when he faced another of these despicable feminist and settled ; considering that his boss was recently dismissed after evidence of a litany of other similar despicable acts culminating around that final allegation and dismissal; and considering he is a smart fellow it seems that he is either a serial harasser or the despicable feminist is so much smarter.

    Clearly it can’t be the latter in your world, so must be the former!


  20. @Hal Austin
    America is a declining power. Why are we spending so much invaluable time discussing a KKK supporter when we could be discussing the future of Barbados.
    ++++++++++++
    As opposed to Barbados as an emerging power or Britannia ruling the seas? The lightweight PM of the country that you reside in is scheduled to visit Washington to kiss the ring of the new President and to apologize for the leak that originated from British Intel and cemented the opinion of many about his character.

    We can choose to bury our heads in the sand about events in the US or we can engage on this and other pages about how these changes will potentially affect us, there are more than 10 current topics about circumstances in Barbados on the blog and most people here can walk and chew gum at the same time.

    I look forward to your prescriptions about how you will fix the ills of Barbados.


  21. @Sargeant

    Let us hope Boris Johnson did a good job of patching things.

  22. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Sargeant, re “…The lightweight PM of the country that you reside in is scheduled to visit Washington to kiss the ring of the new President and to apologize for the leak that ORIGINATED from British Intel and cemented the opinion of many about his character.”

    That is a strange characterization. How is this a leak of the Brits MI5 or MI6 realistically??? Because the author is a former spook… are they not hundreds of former spooks out there doing the same thing!

    And moreso why is the press characterizing data that’s (1) been around for months and (2) is nothing more than the type of standard oppo political research as relevant, impactful or important at this time?

    It is clear to people like @Austin who have actually lived the realities as a big city journo that Trump has placed himself in an untenable position. A position that EVERY Intel agency in the world will seek to assail. If there is real dirt out there it will be found.

    Of course the US has spied on Heads of States (like the debacle with Chancellor Merkle’s phone) but friendly countries do not ‘weaponize’ or leak such data normally. It is clear that the stupid Intel attacks by this US president will change that ethos completely.

    When the MI6 or the French DGSE or any of the others get real data on Trump let’s see if they don’t anonymously weaponize it!!!i

    I am surprised that his Tax docs are not yet on Wikileaks actually! That will likely be the first step towards a very destructive series of events (culminating to Presidential impeachment) in the ‘declining’ USA.

    BTW the screed about focus on Bdos our lovely and adorable little blip in the Caribbean sea to be discussed to the complete dismissal of the other important affairs worldwide which really can affect the island more than any nonsensical utterances from Michael Lashley about pothole warning flags, for example, is made here ad infinitum or is that ad nauseum.

    Regardless, always makes no sense on every occasion!


  23. @DPD

    Clapper in his recent memo to Trump has been at pains to point out that the leak didnโ€™t come from his bailiwick so whether it was gossiped about for months is of no consequence but the sequence of events shows that a former diplomat received it from a British intel agent and passed it on to McCain who gave it to Comey. To your point every Intel agency in the world probably knew of the allegations so it was only a matter of time before the floodgates opened.

    Perhaps Wikileaks have no interest in releasing any tax docs, Trump is Assange last best hope otherwise he may have to spend his remaining days in the Ecuadorean Embassy BTW they would like him to leave as in the old adage โ€œGuests, like fish, begin to smell after three daysโ€. Eventually the Tax docs will be leaked they just need a journalist with balls and a newspaper who would back him/her up. The Executive Editor of the NYT said he would publish them if he got his hands on them and fight any upcoming battles, this was the paper that published the Pentagon Papers so we should take them at their word.


  24. Sargeant,
    I like the fact you have gone native. I was brought up with people like you, watchmen who would beat little black boys for staling sugar cane from the plantations, or bodyguards who want to fight on behalf of their bosses.
    In Britain we have a phenomenon of black doormen at night clubs being ordered by their white bosses not to allow too many blacks in and they carrying out the instruction with enthusiasm.
    In your case, American immigration allowed you in and you are now more American than native born Americans. The things we do for a passport.
    When will we ever learn? .


  25. The “dirty dossier” on Trump is dated June 2016. It (or some sort of summary of the information) was apparently making the rounds of US newsrooms before October, when Mother Jones published an article that briefly referenced some of its contents. By then, US intelligence was certainly aware of it or had the full version.

    Sen. John McCain did not present his version of the dossier to the FBI until December 2016 – after the election. By then, Comey of the FBI was already investigating its claims, although he didn’t mention this at all to anyone.

    Comey is being criticized for disclosing an investigation of Clinton before the election, but NOT disclosing his (presumed) investigation of Trump.


  26. Poor Bill O’Reilly. He lives in a world in which “normal flirting” has been re-labeled “sexual harassment”.

    The New York Times reported that according to a female colleague, Juliet Huddy, Bill Oโ€™Reilly “had called Ms. Huddy repeatedly and that it sometimes sounded like he was masturbating. He invited her to his house on Long Island, tried to kiss her, took her to dinner and the theater, and after asking her to return a key to his hotel room, appeared at the door in his boxer shorts.โ€

    Ms. Huddy sent FOX NEWS a letter that signaled an intention to sue because Bill dropped this female parasite from his show after she declined his advances. The settlement was in the high six figures and was made between Huddy and 21st Century Fox, the company that owns FOX NEWS..

  27. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    Poor Chad99999, he longs for a return to the world where sexual harassment could be labeled as “normal flirting.” That was back in the days when lynching Black people could be labeled “community policing.”


  28. PLT

    What you should be saying is that men do not rip women off when women make advances.


  29. @Hal Austin @11.54

    At first I was inclined to laugh at your ludicrous response which can be termed a perfect example of โ€œapropos of nothingโ€. It really doesnโ€™t merit a response but here is a suggestion why donโ€™t mine your coming of age experiences and dissatisfaction with life under the Union Jack into a book instead of trying to psychoanalyse people youโ€™ve never met?


  30. The CIA the FBI all of US spy agencies bought into a fabricated story composed by a British 007 wannabe. The dossier of lies have been exposed doesn’t that give rise to the question did the Russians hack the DNC. After all the paper trail to the conclusion that Putin and the Russians hacked lead back to the same US spy agencies and James Bond imposters that produced the golden shower script. Just asking.


  31. At the US presidential inauguration, Paul Anka will be singing “My Way” on behalf of The Donald. That should get the girls fuming.

    Go Trump!!!


  32. Sargeant,

    Hold on to your foreign passport. I know how you guys treasure them. However mad I may get with Barbados it will always come first with me.


  33. The financial and business markets have been responding positively to the coming of Trump.


  34. Above comment is fake news.The markets had started to rebound under Obama and continued the same trend. Trump election had very little to do with movement. After his inauguration at which time he would be officially become president then there will a better guage of knowing towards the market movement and trump influence


  35. “Trading was a highlight for Bank of America in terms of revenue. The business benefited from more client activity in the fourth quarter, as bond-market volumes picked up significantly and U.S. stocks soared following the presidential election in November.

    Its revenue from sales and trading, excluding special items, rose 11 percent to $2.9 billion from $2.6 billion.

    The bank’s shares were little changed in premarket trading, having risen 34.8 percent since the election.

    U.S. bank stocks have rallied strongly since President-elect Donald Trump’s victory, in anticipation that his policies will boost the economy and loosen regulations that have hurt bank profits in recent years.” http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bank-of-america-results-idUSKBN14X1CE


  36. US stock have been ralling high before Trump was elected . There is nothing in that reports which shows differently.


  37. We will bet that of all the political prisoners in America’s dungeons that Obama will seek to ‘reprieve’ Bradley Manning.

    But none of the scores of genuine political prisoners in jail for decades.

    Wunna could call he chelsea.


  38. All who follow the markets acknowledged that there was a Trump Bump as it is called that fell slightly after his weak press conference yesterday.

    What the hell do you know.

  39. Phuque "Yo" Mama Avatar
    Phuque “Yo” Mama

    But David BU,

    We are not minded to be impress by Reuters reports on bond volumes, they being determinant in the disaster-capitalist system. You have not located them in the authentic location of their locationalized context, as it were, lol.

    All muss be swept away, to rebuild. Lol. Have we not been saying for years on this blog that the true location of the locational context are elsewhere? The Puerto Rican freedom fighters of the FALN, and the misguided white brothers and sisters of the SLA, and that psycho Quebecois family, and all the cretinous angels of the 1970s WILL RETURN to save we. Lol.

  40. Phuque "Yo" Mama Avatar
    Phuque “Yo” Mama

    We had the privilege to be a guardian of blessed Abu Muammar G. of that ilk and witnessed his writing of the Green Book. Abu M. was SO 1970s it broke your heart.

    We have to get back to the 1970s, as a posit and a proffer. It was the context when the acili of the location was contextualized in its locationalization. 1975 coming back any day now, to sweep away all the cell phones and wicked consumerism. We’ll be blowing up aircraft 24/7. Lol.

  41. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    David, you are fighting a strange battle with a clearly biased and seemingly ill-informed opponent.

    The simple fact is that the market tanked the night of the Trump victory because the finance folks expected Clinton to win and had priced their products accordingly. Thus on the night in question the electronic trade algorithms started a sudden shiver from the Trump winds…and quite a few people jumped in and bought at the offered reckless sell values and some made tons of money. Some lost a lot!

    Of course the markets have since rebounded well because of all that you quoted above. Particularly related to Trump’s intent to reduce regulation and particularly related to the fact that markets can now proceed with some ‘clarity of what to expect’.

    That said the markets are also not very enamored with the Trump actions in calling out companies and all the hype he is doing around the Carrier job spectacle, for example. Or the unhinged manner of his news presser.

    So up and down we will go… as that too is the nature of market gyrations generally.

    Remember also that his wild claims to implement trade tariffs and start a trade war with China and Mexico will surely keep market participants whose lifeblood is trade quite jittery. This is no way to manage a country!


  42. Dribbler

    is wrong, as usual. Trump is forcing the Washington Establishment to re-think worn-out, failing policies.

    Even old battle axes like Henry Kissinger, who “opened up” China, and Richard Haas, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, have been praising Trump for the changes he is proposing. Having sided with China against Russia in the past, some are saying it is now better for the US to change course and side with Russia against China.

    Downsizing the intelligence community is an excellent idea, supported by many leaders across the political spectrum. The professional politicians have been afraid to take on the CIA and the FBI, but Trump can do it because he has loyal supporters. There is plenty of division in the intelligence community anyway. Those who have been promoted by Obama are scorned by others who wanted to keep their distance from his Administration.


  43. THE ADMINISTRATION OF the Royal Barbados Police Force has ordered an internal investigation into claims by two Grenadian sisters that they were โ€˜humiliatedโ€™ by local officers. – See more at: http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/92435/investigation-launched-grenadians-reports-police-humiliation#sthash.uNNgKwk4.dpuf

  44. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Chad @3:59PM there is absolutely no problem with being wrong as long as there is an appreciation of the path to be get it right. Your path has long gone off the rails.

    Your analysis is beyond laughable.

    Henry Kissinger is a wise old man who enjoys being relevant but has always been an avowed ‘Russiatologist’ and a ‘counselor’ to Putin over the recent years. That you would evoke him or Haas as offering some special advice that shapes a better way forward is -as noted – laughable.

    The concept or idea of downsizing the Intel services makes no practical sense beyond silly blogging.

    That you continue to conflate the real and regular concepts of reorg and redirecting assets to Trump’s irrational remarks is pure comedy.

    I will presume that Obama made some type of irregular promotions in the Intel services to cause the scorn of which you speak. I have not read of any such activities so clearly you have info not available to the general public. I am impressed.

    Anyhow, back in the real world…I am hopeful that Trump’s loyal supporters in the Intel community will buoy him throughout his tenure as it was interesting to read that the Dir of the Brit Intel Community gave every opportunity to the former MI6 spook to decamp his home and go into hiding from the media and others.

    The point. The Brits did not cave to any claims from Trump that the dossier was a baseless attack on him and leave their former operative to flail in the public assault.

    That should tell you that your President will need ALL the support you suggests he has…because other powerful folks outside the US are not as impressed by his rhetoric!


  45. Steupsss
    Wunna paying Chad99999 mind…?

    After a man has been seen and heard on TV, laughing about his illegal exploits with multiple women who happened to be his subordinates, and bragging about ‘being able to anything he wants to’ with them because of his status…
    What the hell ‘intelligence services’ does Bushie need to tell us that the man would have racked up epic encounters with Russian hoes – who generally look much like he and his last wife does…?

    The only damn questioner Bushie is whether there are actual tapes ….or if the information is on a memory stick. Chad should be censored for 8 hours for contaminating the blog with shiite talk….


  46. For most of his adult life, The Donald has been fond of showers and unusually fearful of disease. He used to refuse to shake hands with a lot of people. The idea that he would travel to Russia and immediately get into bed with hired prostitutes has been a head-scratcher — it makes no sense if you know the man.

    The Donald is an expert on eastern European women — two of his three wives are Slavs born and raised in eastern Europe. He knows Russia to be a country where most prostitutes are infected with (incurable) herpes and (drug-resistant) gonorrhea, syphilis, and chlamydia — not to mention the fact that some also have HIV.

    Cavorting with Russian prostitutes on a short trip to Russia? Forget it.


  47. When Obama was inaugurated on Jan 20th 2009, the Dow stood at 7949, on Nov.1st 2016 the Dow closed at 18037, today it closed at 19885. There is no doubt that the market made steady gains under Obama but there has been a sharper uptake since trump was elected. This recent surge is due to Trumps laissez faire attitude towards regulations and the boys on Wall street canโ€™t wait for him to roll back some of the rules that were put in place to curb the excesses of the previous decades or to quote Alan Greenspan โ€œirrational exuberanceโ€ . Hillary was pilloried for giving speeches to Goldman Sachs but Trump has shown how a real professional operates hiring Goldman Sachs executives and installing another as his Treasury Secretary ( a man who by the way made a fortune in the subprime mortgage disaster and who profited from the misfortunes of others).

    Will the recent surge continue? Recent history shows that the market rises with Democrat Administrations and tanks under Republicans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/your-money/the-obama-years-the-best-of-times-to-be-a-stock-investor.html?_r=0


  48. @Chad
    The idea that he would travel to Russia and immediately get into bed with hired prostitutes has been a head-scratcher โ€” it makes no sense if you know the man.
    +++++++++++
    You seem to know the man, the report didnโ€™t say he got into bed with prostitutes, it read that they performed โ€œin front of himโ€ maybe he is a voyeur.

  49. are-we-there-yet Avatar

    Chad et al;

    I think that what you and most posters here fail to recognize is that this whole affair and its possible, and even likely, repercussions could be Earth shattering. I suspect that it could get as serious as Thrump not being crowned next Friday or if he does assume the Presidency, being impeached in short order thereafter.

    The whole thing is now unravelling. The US Congress tonight set up a bipartisan committee to examine all aspects of the revelations from the joint US Official intelligence organizations as well as the dossier from the British Spy in hiding who was apparently so thoroughly convinced of the import and relevance of his findings that he gave the CIA a copy of his dossier last year before the elections. Congress had indicated this morning that no such Committee would be formed but developments during the day changed that.

    That Thrump dossier which was on much more than Golden Showers will not go away. It will be corroborated by external actors.

    But the Russians will not leave it alone. They have got too far to pull back from making maximal damage to the US and its allies with their presidential asset. The destabilization of the US will continue apace as long as possible. The Congress will eventually see the light and do what they have to with the President Elect

    The breaking developments over the last couple days have the potential to be the forerunner of the most consequential political and perhaps even Earth changing eruptions on Earth since the second world war or perhaps as far back in time as the last Ice ages.

    There is serious personal danger for not only the British Spy in protective hiding but for many other individual actors in this surreal story as the Russian Strongman seeks to take maximum unexpected advantage of the unprecedented opportunities for mischief presented by the Thrumpgate outcomes so far.

    But there is still a distinct possibility that Thrump might yet prevail but he will likely rule over a vastly changed USA as part of a New World Order.

    But you could treat all the above as just the vaporings of an old man who has read too many spy novels.

  50. are-we-there-yet Avatar

    Sargeant;

    I would bet that Chad does not know Trump. There is a video track I watched this week where Trump said almost exactly the same thing to some reporters in Trump Towers. But Chad does sound more authoritative in leaving that impression.

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