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fakenewsRecently a list of more than 200 โ€˜alternative news sitesโ€™ were referenced by the Washington Post, as secondary source, as being the bearers of questionable information. These 200 websites covered a fairly wide range of opinion, from Russiaโ€™s RT to Alex Jonesโ€™ Prison Planet Radio.

We will argue that anything we see, hear or read, in any environment, could hardly be considered beyond question. Whether we are talking about politics, economy, technology, physical environment, social or legal we see nothing but official lies passing as truths. For it is the area between our ears which represents the most valuable real estate on earth, or mars, for the community of interests.

In between, many critical, alternative news sites, were tarred and feathered by forces which seem to have cleverly cloaked an intention to eliminate or stain fierce competition to the perennial lies of the mainstream. Our instincts suggest, that the targeting of some of the sites was to engender a certain level of confusion. In the intelligence business, such a project is best known as a โ€˜limited hang-outโ€™.

And it has been previously disclosed that all the major, official, fake news networks, CNN, MSNBC, FOX News, Deutsche Welle, BBC, France 21, PBS, Public Radio, etc, are provided constant guidance by the intelligence agencies of the USA. They have their networks of people stationed within. How else would they be able to cover the same (selected) issues in generally the same ways, at the same time, by the same kinds of people, while always reaching the same kinds conclusions.

We were in Czechoslovakia about 30 years ago, to witness an amazing and ongoing propaganda coup. It was a country where the people watched the fake news to hear what was NOT being reported. To make judgements about what the regime did NOT say. In the West, we have come to need that kind of intelligence, especially when dealing with private media working as government propagandists.

Or the story about the Russians who came to the USA during the time of the USSR and wondered how all the media would cover all the stories in the same way. They were to marvel at such a feat and hoped to be able to implement same behind the โ€˜iron curtainโ€™. What freedom! What fake news!

Or even โ€˜Democracy Nowโ€™, a programmed stolen from WBAI as developed by the late Samori Marksman, which continues to distribute fake news about some formation called LGBTQ. With an Amy Goodman telling the same kinds of officials lies about Americaโ€™s illegal wars as does the mainstream, to appease her funders. Funders linked to the military-industrial-intelligence-complex. These are the so-called โ€˜progressivesโ€™ in media. They are no less infiltrated.

Our world is highly-propagandized state. The globalization of propaganda. Every major institution is infiltrated by intelligence agencies of one kind or the next. More and more electronically. And fake news is a strategic weapon for internal control.

Or the Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) whose notion of evening fake news could be missed by viewers for 15 years without being any less mis-informed. This state-sponsored propaganda medium never seems to be able to find a way to be even critically supportive of the regime of the day.

We were surprised at the emergence of fake news, about fake news, at the height of fake news, in the time of Trump and his ‘fakery’. Just maybe, the emergence of fake news may have something to do with the rise of Trumpism. And while there may be some logic to that way of thinking, there is also an age-old problem of fake news which must be engaged.

We canโ€™t but argue that fake news has become the normal way of the human. Even โ€˜good newsโ€™ is no less fake. Do we not know, with certainty, that the Bible is replete, from genesis to revelations, with fake news? Have we not been raised on Reddiffusion and the BBC with fake news, the news the British wanted us to hear? Is it not a truism that from the very beginnings of time fake information has been used to deceive most of us? Is it not fake information which has our world upside down?

In all this, there is a misguided presumption that the Washington Post, the Barbados Nation, The Advocate News, the New York Times, operate above the spectre of fake news. Are these not the leading lights of journalism, which gave us the illegal wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Supported terrorists as proxy armies for empire. Promoted the โ€˜White Helmetsโ€™ as recipients for Nobel Prizes, Right Livelihood Awards โ€“ the alternative Nobel. And do not local papers carry international news from a very small circle of media.

While Obama is exiting and Trump, taking over, the nexus between the intelligence agencies and the role of propaganda or fake news is centered around Russia and its alleged interference in the US elections. How much more fake can โ€˜newsโ€™ be? None of the media who we are to tell the โ€˜realโ€™ fake news can possibly address the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

That real news is the centuriesโ€™ old interference in other countriesโ€™ elections by American government agencies, particularly the CIA and NGOs in its pay. If we were from Mars we would be left to assume that this type of thing has never happened before, not on earth. Not when the media of the most powerful country is willing to spread the fake news of its president, in cahoots with untrustworthy secret agencies, based wholly on unproven statements.

If we were from Mars, we might even assume that earthlings were unintelligent beings. If the most powerful man, in the most powerful country, was the most stupid person on the planet, we would conclude that the humanoid was not very smart at all. We could not have known that the humanoid was so ill-informed, and purposely made to be, by fake news. Trumpism for you!

But the Martians will quickly come to realize how earthlings are made to operate within a tapestry of lies. And that for them to gain power on earth they must take control of the vast architecture of fake news which dominates the lives of earthlings.

At the center of the social sciences is the need to measure perceptions, determine gaps and finds ways to satisfy needs. In the hands of politicians, intelligence apparati and ‘fake news’ media networks, instead of managing perceptions, human perceptions are created by this vast propaganda โ€˜machinesโ€™.

We have lost control over notions of free will. Are firmly located within the post-1984 world of George Orwell. And way beyond the โ€˜manufacturing of consentโ€™!


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373 responses to “Fake News, Media Propaganda & ‘Managing’ Public Perceptions”


  1. The American people, only a few days ago, were able to stop the new majoritarian Republican Congress, HOR, from voting against Obama Care.

    From voting against ethics legislation passed in 2008 after the ‘Abramov’ scandal. And more!

    The war has already started.


  2. @David
    All of you have to wait until Donald takes office and he is fully seized what is before him. Chill out!
    ++++++++++
    Are you the type of person who would carry an umbrella in a hurricane hoping that it will protect you from the rain?


  3. You really thinks it works like that.

    Most times the people have not a clue what congress is doing.

    Do you have any idea how these people, even pass laws, that they themselves don’t even read.

    The lobbyists are the unaccountable people who run things.

    The people are used for straw purposes


  4. @Pacha and Sargeant

    The point is that the machinery will ensure matters inside the beltway continue as normal. Trump will be no worse than his predecessors.


  5. Agree completely with all Shontelle R. Brathwaite says.

    I only add: gimme’sum.ma.dat em’tee’vee ana ifone fo’de.sosh’almee.ja.

    It is correct that “moustache” is Basque. When the Basques were princes they all had a moustache, including the princesses. And yes, the Basques had canaries. I’red’diton.de.sosh’almee.ja.


  6. Two months after the Election Trump finally has an Intel briefing with the Intel Chiefs at his gilded palace. At the end of the meeting he tells them โ€œYouโ€™re firedโ€, he goes on to say I know things that you donโ€™t know I am smarter than you and I have a tremendous group of people who will be taking over your jobs we will make America great again.

    As they are being ushered out of the room, one of his flunkies tells him โ€œVlad is on line 1 and Julian holding on line 2 which one are you going to take?โ€ Trump responds โ€œIโ€™ll take Vlad, Julian isnโ€™t going anywhere he is holed up in that Embassy in London and hoping that I drop charges after that favour against that bโ€ฆh Hillary, could you get Hollywood on the line I need some big names for the ball on the 20thโ€.

    In other news Trump called Dem Senate leader Schumer a clown, but Bloomberg another New York billionaire called Trump a New York con, only one of those is true, which one is it?
    We have never seen Schumer in clown shores or wearing a loud outfit with a funny nose but we have heard of Trump University and a bogus charity.


  7. David

    You are displaying a level naivete hithertofore unknown.

    Thing are not destined to remain the same forever.

    The election of Trump represents a watershed.

    Do things have to fall apart before you will see?


  8. Wonder which skeletons in Trump’s closet will be used by covert operatives in the Intelligence community to influence his presidency or if they will let him do shiiite.

    Interesting times ahead for Canada.

    “U.S. goods and services trade with Canada totaled an estimated $662.7 billion in 2015. Exports were $337.3 billion; imports were $325.4 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Canada was $11.9 billion in 2015.”


  9. @ David
    Do you remember George Bush….? …who was questionably elected too….
    Why then was the system “machinery” unable to prevent his Iraqi idiocy…?


  10. David

    We have been preaching about this moment in time, here on BU for years.

    Now that those prophesies are on the verge of coming true, you are willing to ignore all of those insights.

    You would like to go to heaven, would like change, but don’t want to dead! LOL


  11. @Bush Tea

    And Obama Libya.

    >


  12. Trump just concluded his conversation with Vlad and he assured him that his tremendous staff will be exhausting all efforts to discover the identity of the 14-year-old or the 400-lb. man sitting on his bed who was hacking the DNC.

    Vlad thanked him and said โ€œwe got to get to the bottom of this mess otherwise they will be hacking me in Russia tooโ€™โ€™. They also made plans to play Golf at one of Trumpโ€™s courses (the best in the world) and go horseback riding at one of Putinโ€™s Dachas in Russia where the vodka is top notch and the borsht is to die for.

  13. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @chad45, I am impressed by your reasoning as shown these last few days. It’s fallacious and unbelievable but like Trump’s impressive in its rashness.

    You asked “How could you possibly know that The Donald is not planning to scale back the intelligence agencies?…Because a Trump spokesman issued a denial? Are you that naive?”

    Naive, no. I would ask YOU: On WHAT basis will Trump scale back intelligence gathering in the face of the hard attacks by China, Iran, Rep of North Korea and of course Russia et al.

    The original remark is utter nonsense. A fallacy of pure stupidity as best as they come.

    Every President from Truman, for example, has revamped and modified the intelligence services. That is understood. The President appoints the people in the top posts. They serve at his pleasure…except FBI of course.

    But that any President after the major cyber attacks from China, all the hacks that exposed the diplomatic cables, the Manning and Snowden debacles could even SUGGEST that he will ‘scale back’ intelligence is a comfort only for bloggers with simplistic provocation on their minds, like yourself. Rational people understand the Trump is talking bare shiiite.

    Truman upgraded OSS to CIA et al to deal with that new word order. Bush 43 completely revamped after 9-11 with this convoluted structure of a DNI. It’s problematic so if Trump remodels again to better streamline then all good.

    But that is NOT the scaling back he has suggested. To reduce intelligence gathering would be almost treasonous..particularly the invaluable human-intel.

    Incidentally this statement “We will only be in a position to start assessing … after we get new estimates of the head counts .. Everything else is guesswork and speculation”….makes absolutely no sense.

    Do you honestly perceive that (1) someone is waiting on Trump’s team to assess the intelligence personnel count and (2) that real numbers would ever be provided. Intelligence is not some regular gov’t dept.

    Are you a real person or a bot that sweeps the blog to make sensationally irrational statements!!!

    @ David at 7:00 AM re “All of you have to wait until Donald takes office and he is fully seized what is before him. Chill out!”—– Fah trute!

    Yea he will need to dye and weave more hair real soon when the serious stuff hits his fan, but do you really believe he is not aware or ‘seized of real matters’.

    Why buy the Trump’s BS? He has ‘full security’ clearance now and has for over a month. He HAS been getting briefings. He has confidants like his Nat Security Adviser designate Flynn who had top level clearance as head of the Defense Intel Agency and I can only imagine still does. Why would we imagine therefore that he has not been fully briefed in preparation for his new role and thus is giving Trump the real deal based on that and his direct past expereicnes?

    What about his other adviser Gen Matthis and the other top generals just recently in the terror and cyber war theaters; why would they NOT be giving him real feedback ?

    That the press is suggesting that he is not aware or seized of the tumult he presages is impractical and as fake as it gets.

    Donald Trump is playing a strange game and it will either result in his amazing destruction or some startling new era of life – along the Bushie trend lines, maybe.


  14. All those who think it impossible for Trump to scale back the intelligence agencies should remember that there really is a debate in the United States about the (limited) value of politicized intelligence. Moreover, Trump will not tolerate organized campaigns by intelligence officers that de-legitimize his presidency.

    Then there is the fact that, like many successful businessmen, Trump believes in parsimony. He beat Hillary Clinton with a lean campaign that spent merely half of what she spent. His TV advertising was a fraction of hers, in a country where the vast majority of professional politicians have always believed that the winner is (nearly always) the biggest spender in the air campaign.


  15. The last man who tried to scale back the intelligence apparati ended up dead.

    These systems take on a life of their own

    And if you know what happened after 9/11. The complex has grown many times.

    There is now no difference between intelligence per se and regular industry.

    IT CANNOT NOW BE MADE SMALLER

    For example, there cannot be any division between Booz & Company and the intelligence complex. They are now one. As recent whistleblowers have shown.

    This problem is bigger than Trump. It goes to the oligarchic system we now have. Which Trump is one of.


  16. The man usually credited with refining Trump’s views on US intelligence is Lt. Gen Mike Flynn — himself a former intelligence officer with strong views who used to be Director of the DIA, but was forced out by Obama. Flynn is using his alliance with Trump to settle scores with former colleagues in the intelligence community.

    This is not just a war between a civilian C-in-C and intelligence officers. It is also a war between different groups of intelligence officers who despise each other.

  17. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/FE2v307KRjo

    Many photos of the evil that has riddled the earth for centuries.

  18. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Pacha. ..I am just awaiting the monumental blowback. ….their infestation will take on a whole life of its own…Trump has no idea what will happen, but he will find out, that’s for sure.

  19. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Chad45, I can only muster a big aDUHHHH for your 12:50PM post!

    When has the intelligence community at that level not had ‘gentle’ conflicts between former colleagues across different administrations and almost as aggressively within the same administration.

    Careers are made and burnt over years and surely in that cruel world of espionage and intelligence grudges are long held, real and sometimes deadly.

    Gen. Flynn was called a ‘right wing’ nutty by none other than his colleague and former superior Gen. Colin Powell.

    He was forced out because of his personality and temperament; so yes he goes back like a bull in china shop but he knows that he also has to be a careful bull.

    Too much broken crockery and he is one bull that would be without the ability to produce semen real fast.

    You did read that his Chief of Staff (his son) and he both supported the unsubstantiated reports about a pedophilia ring linked to the Clintons and staged from that Washington pizzeria!

    He does say and tweet nutty things. What a Trump team!


  20. Did Flynn ever report to Obama? You mean he had issues with working with his kind.


  21. Pachamama January 6, 2017 at 9:35 AM

    You forgot to mention that he is a sociopath.

    He is making too many enemies. That rarely ends well.


  22. FORT LAUDERDALE, Florida โ€“ A shooter wearing a Star Wars T-shirt opened fire at a baggage carousel at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport on Friday, killing at least five people before being taken into custody, officials and witnesses said “


  23. Seems like The Donald is taking on the intelligence establishment.

    Digging in his heels about alleged Russian involvement in US elections

    Well, these people are more often wrong than right anyway.

  24. Rod Brawithaite Avatar

    Maybe too late to submit any comments over the drama of yardfowl shite here, but here goes.

    First, any article by Pman is to be discounted fully. You can tell from his routine postings that he does not have the intellectual capability to form consecutive sentences far less write articles of this magnitude. I suspect that he copies and pastes these from some bizarre web blogs. Or maybe a David alter ego to stimulate conversation and maintain the blob.

    Second, the fake news issue is a result of a BS liberal global press that invented it themselves. Obama could do no wrong even before he took office, and Trump can do no right without a chance. It is coming back to haunt the inept stupid journalist in spades.

    By the way, Obama does have a legacy: increasing the US debt by more than all presidents before him. That’s like living in a house with Dad and Mom racking up credit card bills and leaving them for the kids to pay off.


  25. After seeing the ‘classified’ documents Trumps’ statement is the same as before.

    His refusal to drink the false-news cool-aid, as religion, from so-called ‘intelligence agencies’ is likely to send the mainstream apoplectic.


  26. @Pacha

    Sounds like Trump is the great agent for change you have been railing for on this blog for many years now.


  27. Not at all, David

    We try to see all the complexities at work.

    Yes, he maybe right on a few issues but on the overwhelming majority of matters he is all the bad things we continue to call him.


  28. I always maintained that all postings are recorded in history including the Barbados Under
    Dofbu seems to have switched into a MB

  29. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    This is the one opinion too stupid and maddening to repeat; but then so was the birther thing …we need to find someone who will trumpet this for the next four years or more!

    “If Obama is a Muslim, is Trump a Russian spy.

    … For the past nine years, a smattering of Americans, most recently led by our now president-elect, have insisted that Barack Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya.

    … Donald Trump was unrelenting in his insistence that Obama prove beyond existing proof that he was born in Hawaii and not in the African country …

    … Obama said he is a Christian [but it] wasnโ€™t enough to persuade Trumpโ€™s followers, ,,,

    … Given this history and recent evidence, isnโ€™t it about time Trump be declared a Russian spy?” ——— Kathleen Parker, Wash Post.


  30. @DPD

    On the basis of scant or non- existent evidence the Birther in Chief questioned whether Obama was born in the US, now that all the Intel agencies have presented him with overwhelming evidence of Russian involvement in the Election campaign he says its scaremongering.


  31. Fake news. Is that the same as lies? The same as deceitfulness?


  32. @ Kathleen Parker, Wash Post “isnโ€™t it about time Trump be declared a Russian spy?โ€

    Yes.

    And he is not even being paid.

    He giving it way fa neffen.


  33. @Chad
    Then there is the fact that, like many successful businessmen, Trump believes in parsimony.
    ++++++++++++
    You may call it parsimony, others may call him a welcher, scammer, gouger, grifter and other choice nouns. Even now on the verge of entering the WH, liens for unpaid debts have been placed on his flagship hotel down the block.

    Debt Collectors may have to turn up at the White House.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-05/trump-s-dc-hotel-tagged-with-5-million-in-unpaid-worker-liens

  34. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/QjzZ307M1Qa

    A wicked decision that will return to bite Trump and his lowlifes.


  35. @Sargeant

    Have you read and if yes what is your view?

  36. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
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    David,the report said “Despite coming to power in the middle of the worst recession since the 1930s,Obama has presided over the creation of more than 11 million jobs and a 3.1-percentage-point decline in the unemployment rate.” How’s that. LOLL.

    It also said that Trump’s boast to create 25 million jobs in 10 years would mean an expansion twice that of the last eight years… in an economy that does have high under-employment but is still bubbling at close to economic full-employment metrics.

    So how is that level of job growth realistic or sustainable based on a desire to expel so many immigrants and based on the actual number of people actually looking (not looking) for work !

    The report authors therefore conclude that Donald Trump is a braggart and charlatan who makes unsubstantiated claims and become excessively critical and demeaning of anyone who dares point out the obvious deficiencies.

    Ahhh but you were talking of the ‘Intelligence Report’…..my bad. Those authors came to the same basic conclusions though. And Donald who knew his noise was nonsense weeks ago is now gently parsing his words for better public consumption:

    โ€œWhile Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through the cyber infrastructure of our governmental institutions … … we need to aggressively combat and stop cyberattacks. I will appoint a team to give me a plan within 90 days of taking office. The methods, tools and tactics we use to keep America safe should not be a public discussion that will benefit those who seek to do us harm. Two weeks from today I will take the oath of office and Americaโ€™s safety and security will be my number one priority.” —

    So …. he is effectively saying…I alone know how to do what is right and I alone know how to secure our nation. (Just as I alone know how Mexico will pay for this very expensive wall that the taxpayers will fund at the beginning etc etc…I alone know…) … And although we must be secret on what we do re security I am sure that the intel guys have politicized and made this a witch-hunt to delegitimize my candidacy.

    Frankly the only thing worst that this folly is abruptly not to have Trump at the helm. I therefore wish the man long life as President…. until impeachment ! What a conundrum.


  37. @David
    Since you asked:

    At the outset, the Report states that โ€œit is a declassified version of a highly-classified assessmentโ€ so we are missing the one with the fine print marked โ€œTop Secretโ€. The report doesnโ€™t lay claim to any specific incident where there was direct knowledge of how the Russians perpetrated this cyber intrusion (guess the authors were trying to protect their sources) but in so doing they left the impression that something was missing.

    I got the impression that the Russians thought Clinton was going to win and wanted to discredit her in the eyes of US allies but their efforts to undermine her were so successful that they embraced Trump because they saw him as useful idiot.

    There was also heavy emphasis on the activity of RT (Russian sponsored TV like a Voice of America) and its efforts to undermine the USA while we may not see any direct impact the various snippets of video make it to sites like YouTube and are disseminated by various bloggers who tout them as proof of any and all conspiracy theories.

    I found it interesting that the report also states that Putin embraced relationships with Western leaders like Berlusconi of Italy and Schroeder of Germany because they were anxious to do business with Russia which is all the more interesting now that Tillerson (former head of Exxon who received a decoration from Russia) is now the US Secretary of State designate.

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating so the Report will satisfy some but will leave others yearning for more transparency/details.


  38. @Sargeant

    Some are struggling to understand how US Intelligence Agencies are able to to pin this cyber intrusion on Russia give the options of hackers to operate on the dark Internet with onion networks read global hop proxies and the like.


  39. David

    Even that is fake news.

    The real news is that Obama has given us Nitro Zeus.

    And has brought the world to an eminent cybernetic destruction

    That fake news is a mere mis-direction.


  40. @David

    The Report states that โ€œThe Intelligence Community rarely can publicly reveal the extent of its knowledge or the precise basis for its assessments, as the release of such information would reveal sensitive sources or methods and imperil the ability to collect critical foreign intelligence in the futureโ€.

    In a nutshell they are saying they have their means and ways but they arenโ€™t going to let the public in, t also states that โ€˜The nature of cyberspace makes attribution of cyber operations difficult but not impossible. Every kind of cyber operation-malicious or not- leaves a trailโ€

    Does that last bit answer your question?


  41. @Sargeant

    Yes it does because it highlights the point that if the Intelligence Services revealed to Trump their methods to identify the signatures of Russian hackers and yet he is not convined it says two things:

    The findings are inconclusive or Trump is a man convinced against all others.


  42. So what was tweety bird reply after given all tge intelligence information. “Still skeptical” Donald Trump continues to slip on thin ice with his asinine opinions on world views.
    If after being shown all the CIA intelligence he resist these experts opinion it bodes well to say that his “gut” would define all or most of any formidable conclusion on domestic or foreign policy
    A mantra which Donald Trump stated he has sucessfully used when making business deals


  43. @Pacha

    We all understand there are things the ordinary man is fully ignorant. It is the same in Barbados where we know there is the leftback surveillance from the world cup 2007 said by some to be used by political and police operatives.


  44. @David

    Trump just wants to protect his brand, the idea that Russian help was essential to his Electoral success is anathema to his โ€œyugeโ€ ego and his posturing that the result was inevitable. Trump is forever for himself itโ€™s a โ€œmefirstโ€ approach to business as well as politics look for more of the same down the pike.


  45. Emails Were Leaked, Not Hacked
    By William Binney, Ray McGovern

    January 06, 2017 “Information Clearing House” – It has been several weeks since the New York Times reported that “overwhelming circumstantial evidence” led the CIA to believe that Russian President Vladimir Putin “deployed computer hackers” to help Donald Trump win the election. But the evidence released so far has been far from overwhelming………………

    With respect to the alleged interference by Russia and WikiLeaks in the U.S. election, it is a major mystery why U.S. intelligence feels it must rely on “circumstantial evidence,” when it has NSA’s vacuum cleaner sucking up hard evidence galore. What we know of NSA’s capabilities shows that the email disclosures were from leaking, not hacking.

    Here’s the difference:

    Hack: When someone in a remote location electronically penetrates operating systems, firewalls or other cyber-protection systems and then extracts data. Our own considerable experience, plus the rich detail revealed by Edward Snowden, persuades us that, with NSA’s formidable trace capability, it can identify both sender and recipient of any and all data crossing the network.

    Leak: When someone physically takes data out of an organization โ€” on a thumb drive, for example โ€” and gives it to someone else, as Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning did. Leaking is the only way such data can be copied and removed with no electronic trace.

    William Binney (williambinney0802@comcast.net) worked for NSA for 36 years, retiring in 2001 as the technical director of world military and geopolitical analysis and reporting; he created many of the collection systems still used by NSA. Ray McGovern (rrmcgovern@gmail.com) was a CIA analyst for 27 years; he briefed the president’s daily brief one-on-one to President Reagan’s most senior national security officials from 1981-85.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46166.htm


  46. @David
    I want to switch gears for a moment, Iโ€™m going to jump the gun and state that the soldier who shot up the Airport in Florida yesterday was suffering from PTSD and was not a terrorist or associated with any terrorist group. ( I wonโ€™t even get into the transportation of hand guns in luggage but thatโ€™s another story)

    We are sitting on a time bomb in NA with many military types returning from places like Iraq and Afghanistan broken men and insufficient support from Govโ€™ts to treat them for their illnesses. It doesnโ€™t always manifest itself in mass shootings but it is seen in the rise in domestic violence, homelessness, drug addiction, and other assorted criminality.

    The experts state that PTSD doesnโ€™t always appear in the immediate aftermath of military service but it can generate within a year or two or up to 10 years after people have served.
    Two days prior to the shooting in Fla. A Canadian vet shot his wife, child and mother and then committed suicide and he also suffered from PTSD and had periodic treatment but from reports his most recent attempt to get help resulted in his being turned away from the hospital because there were no beds available (The Provincial Govโ€™t will investigate that aspect but it is too late for the victims)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/01/05/lionel-desmond-ptsd_n_13984000.html


  47. @Sargeant couldn’t agree with you more. North America is a ticking time bomb by the minute. The idea that we have these mentally upset people scattered around NA who can shoot you up or run you over when they hit a low mental state is horrifying. It is analogous to playing Russian roulette.

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