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John Boyce, Minister of Health
Dr. David Estwick, vying for the DLP presidency
Denis Lowe, Minister of the Drainage
There was a very lively town hall meeting held yesterday to further ventilate on the vexing issue concerning the deterioration of the environment on the South Coast of Barbados to follow the well attended BLP political meeting held on Sunday night. Successive governments have invested heavily in education and health, the unfortunate and protracted situation playing out on the South Coast begs the BU question if the heavy investment has provided an adequate ROI.
The following comment was posted by John, a prolific commenter on the issue.

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John commented on Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary Assessment Report and the South Coast Sewage Plant Connection

So, here’s my thinking at the moment.

There is a standard 3 foot increase in underground water level due solely to tidal fluctuations.

The rain falls … 6 inches plus.

The sluice gate is nailed shut for whatever reason.

It’s operation is the responsibility of the owners of Graeme Hall Plantation … GOB.

The 3 foot fluctuation now occurs on top of 5 feet due to the inability of the water to drain through the sluice gate.

So underground water levels can vary from 5 feet above a zero datum to 8 feet above that datum.

Before, the most it would increase to was 3 feet above the zero datum and that was due to due to an act of God.

Water now “springs” from unlikely places due to an act of man.

Manholes, backyards wherever it is forced by the sea it comes up.

The sewage issues, both from the plant and the development in the watershed make a bad situation worse.

Is Government liable for its handling of the sluice gate?

There is the 1945 conveyance which specifies how the owner of Graeme Hall Plantation is to operate the sluice gate.

Here is what has happened with Mrs. Burke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNWA4_mPdcs&feature=youtu.be

She knows instinctively at 84 that the operation sluice gate has been mishandled and is one of the causes of her problems.

Her residence looks like it is closest to the zero datum

…. and then there are businesses

http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/91384/guests-bolt

It is possible that like Mrs. Burke, this business is also a victim of the handling of the sluice gate?

If it is where I think it is I believe it is a victim too.

Clearly it is suffering loss and it is easily quantifiable.

Does the decision regarding liability of the GOB to the GHNS only apply in the case of the BIT or does it have implications for locals seeking redress for loss through the courts here?

Would the GOB be strictly liable to those suffering loss under the laws of Barbados?

Probably phrased it all wrong as I am not a lawyer but just applying logic which might not be legal!!

… maybe that’s why spring tides are so called!!

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260 responses to “Sewage on the South Coast and TIDES”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/12/15/mottley-identifies-source-of-sewage-mess/

    John…..here is one explanation. So if anyone who has been maintaining anything such as life altering diffusers die, the government does not see it necessary to replace that person to continue maintenance to prevant a crisis or health hazard.

    “Mottley, who had initially raised the matter at a rally of her Barbados Labour Party (BLP) at Top Rock, Christ Church on Sunday night reiterated her position at a town hall meeting in Worthing last night that the sewerage treatment plant was designed in such a way that treated sewage would flow over a kilometre out to sea through a pipe buried 150 feet deep.

    This pipe, she said, has 18 outlet diffusers for gradual release of the effluent into fast-moving water for rapid dissipation.

    However, she charged that all but two of the diffusers were faulty, resulting in the problem currently facing South Coast residents and visitors.

    “Ten of the diffusers in the water are fully blocked, six of the diffusers are partially blocked, and only two are functioning,” the BLP leader claimed.

    “Therefore, it is no wonder that the Friday before Independence, by the Garrison, sewage started coming out there, because water finds the weakest points through which to extract itself, whether it is the manholes [or] the canals,” she added.

    Mottley contended that the diffusers had been blocked for a number of years, suggesting that they had not been maintained since the person whose responsibility it was to clean them died seven years ago.

    She also claimed that the treatment plant had been out of order for three years and nothing had been done to repair it.”

  2. NorthCoastBather - The Gazer Avatar
    NorthCoastBather – The Gazer

    Seems as if I am always back there….

    Did the two ministers go into the water or did they just pose on the beach with towels wrapped around them. You saw how fat their middle was. Living the good life.

    Highly reminiscent of a SNL or comedy skit,.
    You say the water is dirty and they strike a pose on the beach.
    You talk about water shortage and they drinking water on Facebook.

    They need to hire good PR staff and fire the comedy crew,

  3. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    It appears someone did a dive hence the explanation that the lying ACs and government ministers, cannot refute…ha, ha.

    No one had to dive for everyone to know that it’s lack of maintenence, incompetence, laziness coupled with lots of lies from the present government ministers, caused this health hazard…we have been saying it for weeks, the problem is government made and owned.

  4. John Avatar
    John

    As soon as the rainy season came, the sluice gate should have been opened.

    Drought …… then September, October November

    I don’t live in the watershed that drains to the wetlands at Graeme Hall but near enough.

    I have published the rainfall I have had here from September, 6.78 inches, then 7.3 inches in October and 14.78 inches in November.

    Two months of flooding at Gentle Breeze.

    Nov 11 problems at the Sewage plant

    If the Government then allowed the dump into the swamp that was already causing flooding at Gentle Breeze, where did they expect the sh!t to go?

    Then Nov 29 and 6 inches.

    The catchment area at 1156 acres, see GHNS report, delivered about 189 million gallons to the swamp and wetlands.

    The entire pumping capacity of the BWA takes 4-5 days to move that for consumption by the population of Barbados!!

    150 gallons an hour is a losing cause.

    If the water is still springing in the yard at Gentle Breeze after the sluice gate has been opened there may be a spring under the property and that is why the manholes are weeping even at low tide.

    If there is a spring, then how could the GOB have given an investor the all clear to invest in the property?

    The sh!t however ……

  5. John Avatar
    John

    Sorry, 150 gallons a minute is still a losing cause

  6. John Avatar
    John

    We need to get out of delivering sewage offshore

    We should be treating it, extracting the water and having control of what we do to the environment.

    The deep sea is too far out of sight and mind to leave maintenance for this or any government to manage.

    Mia’s story sounds far fetched but who knows.

    With or without proof we need to be in control of the effluent and manage the opportunities that result.

    For heavens sakes, we scream about lack of water.

  7. David Avatar
    David

    Didn’t Andrew Hutchison state on the call to the callin program last Sunday the the sewage – raw or not – is treated BEFORE being piped into the sea off the Hilton?

  8. ac Avatar
    ac

    The one solution would cost millions of dollars to resolve all the band aid methods have failed and will continue to fail.
    The project initiative was to depend on the swamp sewer system to push the sewage from the plant out to sea at various sea tidal.
    Unfortunately the swam has been compromised by overexcessive amount of garbage which has lead to massive blockage for many of the channel leading into the sea one
    Nothing short of a thorough cleansing of the swamp and wetlands would suffice which might include dredging and installation of new under ground pipes which might have been compromised because of undue stress which assuredly will run govt into millions of dollars to correctly
    At one period before there wasa dispute between govt and the owners of the Sanctuary there were levels of discussion to clean the wetlands out of a growing concern for a similar disaster which might occur but those discussions fell apart after govt of the day decided to take a different route towards further development

  9. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Water can be extracted,treated and returned to the aquifers thus ensuring no water shortage providing the pipes are fixed,the remaining sludge can be treated and used in the agricutural industry thus reducing our fertiliser bill…..its time this country became innovative and pro-active.

  10. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    LOL
    AC is sounding more babbling and idiotic even than usual (if THAT is possible 🙂 ), that tells us that the government is in a tizzy….

    Any bets that the coming ‘solution’ will be a half billion dollar project to be undertaken by Jerkham and Baloney?
    …somehow they will find a solution that requires the use of concrete…..

    ..perhaps the concrete tanks at the Harbour will be pressed into use …now that the Shiite Hound (formerly thought to be a Pit Bull) has killed off the sugar industry …. but that would be too cheap, …so more likely, they will build more concrete tanks at Graham Hall…

    BTW @ TheGazer
    How was the fact that John Boyce and Sealy decided to bathe in shiite-water supposed to convince anyone that it was safe for the public to do so…? The two of them are so ‘full of it’, …that it must be even be unsafe for others to bathe after them in pristine waters.

    So them bathing at Hastings is therefore like AC playing the clown….. or like the St Leonards teacher trying to beat some sense into Dompey….. Those boys were ‘at home’ in that water.

    ….It therefore proves nothing.

  11. John Avatar
    John

    David December 15, 2016 at 1:27 PM #
    Didn’t Andrew Hutchison state on the call to the callin program last Sunday the the sewage – raw or not – is treated BEFORE being piped into the sea off the Hilton?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Primary treatment … I’m speaking of tertiary treatment … a step or two beyond what is happening now

    Pretty sure Hant’s put that up already … primary at Graeme Hall and secondary at Bridgetown

    http://water.worldbank.org/shw-resource-guide/infrastructure/menu-technical-options/wastewater-treatment

  12. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ Vincent
    Steupsss
    You could really hush!!
    Who will do all this? ….you?
    Or do you plan to bring in Guyanese to do it?

    You should be ashamed.

    You were around the local sugar industry for DECADES and never marked fat…. You allowed Arnie to import Trickidadians whose sugar industry had already failed to come and run ours – while you stood around grumbling like an old man, and now playing that you talking shiite about how the sewerage plant should work…?

    Pluck the sugar outa your own eyes FIRST, …before you go harping on the beams of shiite in the Shiite-hound’s eyes…..

  13. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ David
    Was Andrew Hutchingson not one of those BEHIND the Cahill scheme?
    Treat shiite!!

    Was he not one of those who advised the Clare Cowan woman that “potable water was water from the toilet….”

    It all seems to depend on who is paying Andrew….
    ha ha ha
    LOL
    Shiirt!!!

  14. David Avatar
    David

    @Bush Tea

    You mean Andrew or Stantec.

  15. John Avatar
    John

    The problem is that even although the 1978 Water Resources Study and 1946 Senn Report was in hand, Seemore’s lot chose primary for Graeme Hall even though they knew Barbados had allocated its available water resources.

    To make matters worse, these geniuses then promoted Golf Courses.

    Seemore hisself appeared on an excavator brekking ground at Apes Hill when the most he should have been doing is brekking wind.

    That and Westmoreland took the last available 2 million gallons per day away from uses as a public water supply.

    What Seemore’s lot should have done if they had an ounce of vision and actually read the reports available in the public library and spanning 50 years, was to put tertiary treatment at Graeme Hall and put back into play a goodly part of what BWA delivers to the watershed that ends up as sewage.

    There would have been no outfall.

    Control would be in our hands.

    But even so, more things to go wrong ….. !!!

    … but on land and in sight and under our control.

    Which Bajan you feel going out in the deep blue sea and maintaining pipes 150 feet under the waves.

    Not a large pool from which to choose.

    Bajans … and I am one … frighten enough for the sea!!

  16. John Avatar
    John

    Stantec was Stanley Associates and Stanley Associates did the 1978 Water Resources Study pointing out in simple tabular form that by 1996, all the available water resources would have been allocated!!

    Even the technical people advising the GOB knew of the limitation Barbados faced wrt water.

  17. John Avatar
    John

    Put Mia in a Moses and send her out with a welding plant and scuba gear and let her see if she can fix the diffusers.

  18. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    That’s another visionless stupid move, they were warned about these golf courses, short term prostitution, no intelligent leader creates and keeps golf courses on a water scarce island….. idiots.

  19. Michael J. Mayers Avatar
    Michael J. Mayers

    “Vincent
Steupsss
You could really hush!!
Who will do all this? ….you?
Or do you plan to bring in Guyanese to do it?
    You should be ashamed.”

    Why should it matter? Just this little bit of shite for a tiny moment in time. It will wash away like tears in the rain. Why should that shite matter, when the disciples of the polyester Prophet Apostle KNOW that the end times happnin’ nex Tuesday, probly 4:35 pee em, when lil baby jeebus comin wid he scuba apparatus to fix that shite for the SAVED!!!!!

  20. ac Avatar
    ac

    When the blp history of governance is written it would include a maze of enviromental disaters some of which include the Death of the Codrington family whose deaths could have beem avoided if proper planning was given to enviromental concerns and the now present disaster of the South West sewage plan along the same magnitude where another lack of the enviroment concerns has lead to massive failures and differing negative impact on society

  21. David Avatar
    David

    And this is why the BLP was booted out of office by the people who were promised better by the DLP.

  22. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Bush Tea December 15, 2016 at 3:13 PM #

    You know not that you know not…..

    This land has endless opportunities in areas such as

    Agriculture,Solar,Sea and Sewage.

  23. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    Again a lotta long talk and smoke and mirrors.

    How difficult can it be to fix or repair a few pipes and pumps?

  24. Wily Coyote Avatar
    Wily Coyote

    It’s obvious to most individuals(except politicians) we have a sewage pipe leak/break etc. One question I was wondering, if it is a break is it in the inflow or outflow pipes?

  25. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Did the poop back up and explode under the otgpher government at any time like it has with this government.

  26. Watchman Avatar
    Watchman

    @ ac

    Your DLP reckless Governance caused more people in Barbados to die per year since 2008, due mainly to the lack of medical care, even the QEH facilities got sick many times, the whole infrastructure of Barbados is under attack by a set of DLP renegade traitors

  27. Gabriel Avatar
    Gabriel

    Was on the South coast today,Worthing in particular.The stink smell of the latrine permeates the air.The locals and tourists alike are affected.Businesses might close and send home their staff.Tourists might take flight.The Season is on.Both the BWA and the Cabinet are proving to be highly irresponsible in the handling of this serious and devastating problem.The BWA need help.The existing BWA management appear clueless as does the PM and nobody hears from the Minister of the Environment.What a disgusting state of affairs.50 years?Shoo man!

  28. ac Avatar
    ac

    @gabriel

    To your comment i say prevention is better than cure.

  29. BELLYHURTEVENMORE Avatar
    BELLYHURTEVENMORE

    @ac
    We all know that prevention is better than cure. So why has your government not exercised this advice that the whole world is aware of? Clearly you need to holler in dem ears very loud, maybe even draw a picture, you could ask Bajan Poppets to do one for ya to show ’em.

    Stop wasting time blaming the BLP. This government has had close to 8 years in which to rectify whatever they perceive the BLP has done. And no, that recession all ya talk about, we know was a blatant lie. Why? Because we does pay attention to world matters, and are clearly not the uninformed idiots this 1Agovernment thinks we are.

    Name 5 things the DLP has achieved that has helped Barbadians and Barbados to progress. Just five. Buildings do not count nor does the abomination at the Garrison. I talking about five positive thjngs they have achieved for the good of the country in the last 8 years. And no, no no! showing the staff at one of the most expensive hotels in London (The Savoy) how to line dance a la Q in the Community during Freundel’s party does not count either. So start now. Just 5 positive things for the good of the country and its people in the last 8 years, name dem! Show us how ungrateful we are.

  30. ac Avatar
    ac

    Belly hurt why are u so concerned about how i waste my time. FYI it is my time to do as I dam like please
    Your concern should be how much of the taxpayers money was spent by past blp govt on building a sewer plant that never function efficiently from its early inception and presently because of its ineffectiveness to perform efficiently would cost the taxpayers about one billion dollars to repair

  31. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/12/16/costly-stink/

    I think people are more concerned that this government dies nit know the meaning of what is top priorities, they found money to build a 60 million dollar building when the broken down sewage plant and the lack of water…read, repair of 150 year old mains and water pipes should have been top priority.

    http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/12/16/guests-cancelling-stay-due-to-sewage-mess/

    The residents business affected by all that neglect claim it’s been happening for 2 years, of course all the relevant agaencues woukd havr known too.

    Maxine McClean the chronic and deceitful liar is also giving her version…everyone responsible for the incompetence and neglect has a version, not realizing that everyone knows they are ALL responsible for the neglect of everything now manifesting into their stink..they are all wasting their time and fooling themselves, they cant convince anyone, everyone knows better.

  32. Exclaimer Avatar
    Exclaimer

    “It could be another three months before the sewage problem on the south coast is fully rectified.

    Barbados TODAY understands that while a short-term solution is already in the works, it will call for the importation of a special piece of equipment that could take up March to arrive here and be installed.”

    http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/12/16/costly-stink/

  33. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    ” there were issues with all three parts of the south coast sewerage system, namely the collection system, the processing plant and the outfall pipes.”

    “the Barbados Water Authority was currently short on cash and therefore was not in a position to carry out the necessary maintenance”

    “Government Senator Harry Husbands yesterday revealed that south coast problem would cost Government $1 billion to fix.”

  34. BELLYHURTEVENMORE Avatar
    BELLYHURTEVENMORE

    @ac

    You are quite right ac, you can waste your time however you want. The government on the other hand cannot because it does this at the high expense of the people who voted them in.

    This government, ac, continues on a daily basis to blame the other side with no action of their own.

    You have answered the proverbial question. Thank you.

    And you, ac, who are always trying to do damage control on the behalf of the party, have not been able to name those five glorious moments of sheer positive governance asked for, five things that the DLP has achieved – governance that has helped Barbadians and Barbados to progress in a positive way.

    Many like myself would have been keen on noting those five things, just five little things, so that the DLP could label us as ungrateful and dem as doing their job. I certainly would have accepted the label of ungrateful if you could have given those five things. But you did not. Too late.

    You have once more answered the proverbial question. Thank you.

  35. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    ACs can only deliver one thing the useless government has achieved, they buried a goddamn pitch fork last month and unleashed an uncontrollable curse on themselves…everything has gone to shit literally since then, it was probably just waiting for that stupid ceremony to unleash.

    This government will never recover. That is what happens when you are blighted, neglectful, incompetent and do not do the work that the taxpayers pay you a monthly salary for, are entitled to and expect.

  36. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    @AC
    Your concern should be how much of the taxpayers money was spent by past blp govt on building a sewer plant that never function efficiently from its early inception and presently because of its ineffectiveness to perform efficiently would cost the taxpayers about one billion dollars to repair
    +++++++++++
    Now is not the time for finger pointing, it is time for action i.e. fixing the problem. When it has been resolved then you can tear a strip off Mia and the BLP to your hearts delight but no one wants to hear what the BLP did or didn’t do. In 2007 I journeyed to a Mississauga hotel to hear David Thompson promise what his Gov’t would do if he was elected among the promises were
    1) A bill establishing Integrity in public life within 6 months including mandatory declaration of assets for his Ministers
    2) Operate a transparent Gov’t

    We know (1) didn’t happen and is unlikely to ever see the light of day, but (2) is still possible, let’s have some transparency about this problem, level with the Bajan public they may not like what they are hearing but they will welcome some open dialogue about the matter. They will understand and may even give you kudos for coming clean and would appreciate the enormity of any effort to fix this problem.

    The worm is slowly turning and I am forced to apply the criticism that I once heaped on the then governing BLP on this Gov’t as in “We are like mushrooms kept in the dark and covered in shit”, this time the shit is literal.

  37. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    This government does not even want to be transparent and truthful to the only bread and butter they stubbornly insist on having…tourists and tourism, one egg in one basket.

    They are not capable of telling the truth or being transparent.

  38. John Avatar
    John

    “Government Senator Harry Husbands yesterday revealed that south coast problem would cost Government $1 billion to fix.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s how you know it won’t get fixed.

    Once these politicians realise the possibilities they will be like flies to molasses … evuh body goin want a cut!!!

  39. John Avatar
    John

    “They are not capable of telling the truth or being transparent”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The more people who know the smaller the slices the pie has to be cut into.

    Harry like he just waked up to his possibilities, or he goin run the real charlatans by the stampede he has created of others looking to get piece!!

    The billion isn’t coming from inside, it got to borrow!!

    Green backs!!

    Outside.

    It was like when everybody became a carpenter after a hurricane that passed and real money was spending in repairs.

    Can’t even remember the name of the hurricane, 70’s or 80’s, just the designation!!

  40. ac Avatar
    ac

    First of all Sarge u are jumping at an unfounded conclusion that the govt have full knoweldge of the source and causes of the problem.
    Secondly one can easily assume that if that was the case their would not be instances of a re-occurences
    Thirdly which means the shouts for transparency on this issues is uncalled for unless their is convincing evidence that govt has all relevant information regarding the problem and has withheld it from the public
    Which to my knoweldge outside of speculation drawn across political lines absent of expertise advice or information no one has proffered or stated

  41. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    “Once these politicians realise the possibilities they will be like flies to molasses … evuh body goin want a cut!!!”

    Just like files on shit, all that paper 1 billion dollars will make their heads spin.

  42. ac Avatar
    ac

    People throw around the word transparency like tossing a bowl of spaghetti skyward and hoping some would stick.
    Transparency comes with a high level of responsibility delivered and address with factual information and truthfulness and not delivered with political bile which borders on specualtion and jobby

  43. David Avatar
    David

    What are you scribling about? Transparency in the context mentioned above is putting a legislative framework in place to afford citizens access to information and the avenue to hold public officers accountable for non compliance.

    Added to which it was a DLP promise to the people.

    Come for your grain!

  44. John Avatar
    John

    There was always a problem and every body knew it.

    They brushed it under the rug.

    Now we can’t

    The rain on the eve of our 50th anniversary is what did it … exposed the whole sorry mess for what it was.

    The report by the Coastal Zone Management unit in 2005 quotes rainfall figures from 2000 to 2009 for the September to November time frame.

    Averages at the airport over this period compared with what I got this year are as follows.

    September the airport was at 4.6 on average over the nine years

    I was at 6.78 this year, wetter.

    October the airport was at 7.35 on average over the nine years

    I was at 7.3 this year, equal.

    But, in November, the airport was at 8.17 on average over the nine years.

    I was at 14.45 inches, and that extra 6 inches came in one day, it was not spread out!!

    That’s the difference.

    Levels in the Wetlands could only rise.

    … but, averages are misleading.

    In 2004, the airport recorded 403.9mm which is about 16 inches, even wetter than this year.

    I can’t remember if there was a problem but how I know there must have been one is because the GHNS paid for personnel at the CZMU to travel to Florida and be shown how the Army Corps of Engineers controlled levels in parts of the Everglades, a far larger area than what we have here.

    To my mind it looks like one neighbor with funding was paying to educate and uplift another neighbor regarding its responsibilities so both could coexist in peace.

    There has always been a problem, just that it can hide and we can ignore it until the day of reckoning comes.

    That day was the eve of our 50th Anniversary of Independence.

    Gentle Breeze is just another neighbor adversely impacted by the actions of another neighbor, the GOB who seems incapable of learning.

  45. John Avatar
    John

    … and that’s the really crazy thing, these clowns got in on a platform of transparency!!

  46. ac Avatar
    ac

    David not disputing those facts but in accordance with facts and the truthfulness of those facts
    Make no sense on any given issue that govt makes a call presenting information based on inconclusive evidence in the heat of political discourse then have to retract at a latter time
    The role of good goverance is that of responsibility first and foremost an essential element to transparency

  47. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    @ ac

    You are absolutely correct!!!!

    Surely you must recall that, during the 2008 general election campaign, the DLP promised to introduce ITAL immediately upon being elected to government.

    Additionally, they also DEDICATED three (3) pages (46, 47, 48) of their 2008 election manifesto to transparency, under the heading: “22 Good Governance.”

    After 8 years and 10 months at the helm of government, this inept DLP administration has NOT fulfilled its promise to introduce TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY and GOOD GOVERNANCE.

    As such, Barbadians can say without fear that the DLP, in their manifesto “threw around the word “transparency” like tossing a bowl of spaghetti skyward and hoping some would stick.”

    It is therefore appropriate under these circumstances for AC to remind the DLP that: “Transparency comes with a high level of responsibility delivered and addressed with factual information and truthfulness and not delivered with political bile which borders on speculation and jobby.”

  48. John Avatar
    John

    The only reason the DLP could write that in 2008 was because the BLP had by their record shown themselves incapable of understanding it!!

    There is the crisis …. neither party has the integrity and honesty to deal with the problems.

  49. John Avatar
    John

    Sewage is not the crisis, it is just a symptom of the real crisis … neither party is any good!!

  50. ac Avatar
    ac

    A typical example is Mia frothing at the mouth to score political points under the banner of transparency which is her usual way of adressing any given issue on any given day
    Yesterday Mia states that the diffusers caused the problem.however absent are causes which are relevant to the issue
    Now what if govt proceeds on such a path guided by political sway to appease the public thirst for instant gratification and information then there is a high risk atached that places govt on the defensive when all the facts are collected and thoroughly analysed

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