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Jeff Cumberbatch - Columnist, Barbados Advocate
Jeff Cumberbatch – Columnist, Barbados Advocate

โ€œThe best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voterโ€ฆโ€ โ€“Winston Churchill.

โ€œIndeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to timeโ€ฆโ€ โ€“Winston Churchill

The story is that the deliberations of the US Constitutional Convention of 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, curious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. Their answer was soon provided. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin on his exit, โ€œWell, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?โ€ With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, โ€œA republic, if you can keep it.โ€

As did most of my friends by their own admission, I spent last Wednesday morning in a funk of astonishment and disbelief at the events that had transpired in the US a few hours before. We were trying, as Maureen Dowd put it in her opinion piece in the New York Times last Wednesday, to โ€œabsorb the impossibleโ€. Despite the geographical inexactitude and patent vagueness of his campaign slogan to โ€œMake America Great Againโ€; despite his petulance and clear unease at articulating clearly any policy position; despite his clear contempt for those of a race or culture different from his own; despite his abandonment by the Republican establishment after flagrant displays of an offensive misogyny and mimicry of the disabled; and despite the unanimous certainty of the pre-election polls to the contrary, Donald J Trump had secured the mandate of the people (via the Electoral College) to become the next President of the United States of America.

And yet, on further reflection, it is not that difficult to explain this alarming event, although no single factor will suffice. For one, there is the vagary of democracy itself. Churchillโ€™s dictum in the epigraph might seem uncharitable and perhaps even out of sync with our current constitutional ethos, but it may serve eloquently to explain in part some surprising results in recent democratic decisions such as the BREXIT referendum in the UK, the rejection of the peace accord in Colombia, the Trump victory and perhaps some others besides. And polls are mostly unable to predict these types of results because the actuality is that very few responders want to be perceived as being out of step with the prevailing view. I can count, on fewer than four fingers, the number of individuals who, to my knowledge, contemplated that Trump would have won this contest and even so, this was mostly because they hated Mrs. Hillary Clinton more.

This point as to the unthinking nature of voters should not be understated. In an interesting column published online in Foreign Policy, Jason Brennan first posits inarguably that โ€œdemocracy is supposed to enact the will of the peopleโ€ and then queries โ€œbut what if the people have no clue what theyโ€™re doing?โ€ His thesis is that most voters are ignorant or misinformed because the costs to them of acquiring political information greatly exceed the potential benefits. He likens the democratic exercise to a professor telling her hypothetical class of 210 million that in their final exam no individual will receive his or her personal grade but that everyone will get the same grade. In that case, he argues, no one would bother to study and the common grade would be an โ€œFโ€. He concludes therefore, โ€œโ€ฆvoting is more like doing the wave at a sports game than it is like choosing policy.โ€

For some, it might have been precisely this Brennanesque stance of belittling the native intelligence of the ordinary voter that led ineluctably to the Trump triumph. One writer has argued persuasively that the choice made on Tuesday last might have been less of a instinctual default option and more of an โ€œintelligentโ€ choice. For him, anger and uncertainty at the inexorable march of globalization and technology had reached such a pitch that many voters were ready for disruption [of the status quo] at any cost.

โ€œEnough of elites; enough of experts; enough of the status quo; enough of the politically correct; enough of the liberal intelligentsia and cultural overlords with their predominant place in the media; enough of the financial wizards who brought the 2008 meltdown and stagnant incomes and jobs disappearing offshoreโ€ is how Roger Cohen expresses their collective frustration in the New York Times, a worldview that could find some commonality in Trumpโ€™s sloganeering and would be antithetical rather to the Clinton campaign where the candidate herself was perceived as the epitome of this perverse state of affairs.

Indeed, more than a few commentators in recent days have focused their readershipโ€™s attention on the unsuitability of Mrs. Clinton as the worthiest Democratic opponent for Mr. Trump. Not-so- easily-dismissed suspicions about the moral authenticity of the process that brought her the nomination as the candidate of the Democratic Party; her coziness with โ€œthemโ€ (the financial and social establishment) and a regrettable sense of entitlement that, perhaps unfairly, suggested that she should be free from popular and legal scrutiny โ€“what Maureen Dowd calls a โ€œmiasma of financial and ethical cheesinessโ€; would scarcely have endeared Mrs. Clinton to the alienated rural voter in the counties and states of Middle America.

Nor should we discount lightly the bigotry that might have induced apoplexy should a female be allowed to follow a blackish individual into the White House and that would have felt itself threatened by the inexorable โ€œbrowningโ€ of a formerly whitish USA.

Todayโ€™s headline to this column poses a question for further debate. It is part of a broader inquiry as to what type of President is Trump likely to be. Given his flip-flopping with the truth during his campaign, it would be mere conjecture to base this conclusion purely on his utterances then. Will he be the candidate who claims that he knows more about ISIS than even the generals on the Joint Chiefs of Staff and thus be the individual defender of the โ€œFree Worldโ€ or will the demands and stresses of the office, so clearly evident in the frosting of the crowns of both Presidents Clinton and Obama during their respective tenures, humble him sufficiently to tone down his inflammatory exclusionist rhetoric?

The defining characteristic of the republican system of government as distinct from that of the monarchical that the US would have successfully rebelled against in 1776, is its checks and balances inherent in the constitutional construct of the separation of powers to ensure that no one branch impinges on the exclusive preserve of the other. Trumpโ€™s campaign discourse made a mockery of this principle with his frequent references as to what โ€œIโ€ would do. There was no correspondingly frequent mention of โ€œmy administrationโ€.

Now, with the Republicans controlling both the Senate and Congress, and with a President Trump, emboldened by his electoral mandate, entitled to reject the Republican establishment as a consequence of their earlier treatment causing him to do it โ€œall by himselfโ€, the circumstances are ideal for a return to a quasi-monarchical system of โ€œTrumpismโ€.


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396 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – A Return to the Monarchy?”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Hjad…I always thought that Denzel though cute.., at times appear a little soft in the head, he I am sure like many Trump supporters who are not extreme racists…will also live to regret their choice…which was their democratic right…..but as I keep saying…sane, intelligent people…do not have to accept Trump…extreme racists or anything they stand for. ..for the next 4 years…, also a democratic right.

  2. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Chad…it’s true…Trump’s retards found a way to flood facebook with fake stories, the ugly albino tried intimidating people on facebook and got chased off by facebook users fir her efforts.

    Zuckerberg is trying to keep them off facebook with their lies…..those are the wild animals that have been unleashed on the public in the US and are currently trying to spread their poison around the world…but we are having none of that….

    …..I used to warn MoneyB about those fake Trump websites during the election. but he would not hear….my daughter used to show me them and told me people were actually believing the lies Trump people put out there……lol

    Ben Carson only just realized he was in over his head and had to run, he does not even want a health post, he got so afraid….interesting days ahead.

    I could see how Chad and MoneyB got reeled in, it was done by experts, just be happy yall aint lost ya shirts, your homes…all ya money in that Trump election scam….lol

  3. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/ITqH306dIKx

    Bad move…never play into their hands.

    There are many laws available to shut them down completely during the 4 years,, which is much more satisfying and much more fun….to see Trump & Co squirm.

  4. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/g30E306dK9k

    ……ah well, ah guess that founding father’s crap in the US ….is also coming to a swift end..lol hahaha, lol…

    Let’s give 3 cheers and thank the trainwreck Trump…hip hip…….lol.


  5. Washinton post

    ATHENS โ€” President Obama warned Tuesday that Americans and people around the world โ€œare going to have to guard against a rise in a crude sort of nationalism, or ethnic identity, or tribalismโ€ taking root amid the populist movements that are gaining currency around the world.

  6. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Trump did not need any coaxing…he is a useless piece of racist crap…just like Bannon and they are both on the same wave length…

    …..this scam was being orchestrsted for 8 years, the minute Obama was elected to be president….it was born of envy, jealousy, racism, spite amd hatred.., that’s all any of them are capable of and trade in…


  7. Why would Trump want to take up residency in Trump Towers instead of the White House?

    Could be another symbolic gesture removing the symbol of the White House influence and political Power throughout the world and one which places Trump Towers at the Top of a World Power making his business interest larger than life with a long term further advancement

  8. are-we-there-yet Avatar

    ac; Where did you get news that Trump wanted to take up residency in Trump towers instead of the white house?


  9. @DPD @7.32pm Nov.15
    A few takeaways from your post:

    Donald is applying for security clearance for his children so they can have well – rounded discussions about State secrets and Company business over lunch. While running his business via the eyes open wide โ€œblind trustโ€ they will have access to State Intelligence and plans, what a boon for the business! Ethical boundaries are being demolished prior to any swearing in ceremony, his daughter wore a $10,000 bracelet during the 60 minutes interview (are gilded chairs more comfortable?) and her Company immediately sent out a statement promoting the bracelet for sale and referred to the 60 minutes appearance (money making will always be a priority) . Two years down the road we wonโ€™t know where the US Govโ€™t ends and Donald Trumpโ€™s Corporation begins, he will announce a la Louis X1V (in a gilded chair again) L’Etat, c’est moi

    Personally, I donโ€™t have a problem with Bannon it should give the โ€œgive him a chanceโ€ brigade pause, it is better to know what you are up against than being fed crap sandwiches and pretending its peanut butter. The Republican Congress has capitulated to Trumpโ€™s ideas and fallen in line, none of them have dared speak a word against Bannon and after they attended a meeting they all came out wearing MAGA hats.

    Trump is who we thought he was.

  10. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Sargeant November 16, 2016 at 9:10 AM
    โ€œTwo years down the road we wonโ€™t know where the US Govโ€™t ends and Donald Trumpโ€™s Corporation begins, he will announce a la Louis X1V (in a gilded chair again) Lโ€™Etat, cโ€™est moiโ€

    To compare Trump to Louis le Grand, le Roi Soleil is not on. Louis was an aristocrat. Trump is a spiv.

    Louis X1V was the greatest monarch France ever saw both at home and abroad. Modern Paris is a testimony to that.


  11. @Miller

    Any man who outfits his home like Versailles and sits on gilded chairs as a matter of routine probably has illusions of being King. His butler hired a bugler to play โ€œHail to the Chiefโ€ long before he became President Elect, talk about fulfilling delusions of grandeur.

    The Sun King reference was in relation to the quote.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/us/politics/donald-trump-butler-mar-a-lago.html


  12. @ac… I think you should go floss ur eyelashes. Clearly u are dealing with thing u don’t understand and that’s called superstition my friend.

    Don’t worry Pacha you’ll have another go at it. BIM’s turn is next. You can call up Peter Wickham and let him know ur available. You think u can tell me which stocks are best to purchase now and how they will perform 4 yrs from now? Or should I ask God….but then again God gets it wrong too….according to Pacha 3:16.


  13. Dribs,
    Trump is not financed by the 1%, Shill was/ is. Technically, due to his net worth he is obviously in the 1%but that does not mean they are his masters or that they can not become such.

    I dont agree that the Trump kids should have top Security clearance. I never said I support Trump and certainly not his every move.

    Dershowitz and Horowitz have both defended B and say he is not anti semetic. If he did state about Jewish kids it is very true since my children went to school with many and the girls were referred to as JAPs–Jewish American Princesses. Many are indeed whiny! My children still have friends to this day who are Jewish,and many who are Indian and Muslim, Black, Oriental. Our home has resembled the UN on occasions.

    Your recall is correct and I also made it very lucid that I spent much of my adolescence arguing against racial thoughts. Why do you think that I never stated that I support Trump or anything racial he might have said or implied? I dont need to add to the condemnation there are a multitude of people that make that point. I believe that Trump acted that way because he wanted to win a tough nomination and election ie marketing strategy, which turned out to work it would seem. He had to be aggressive to cut through the Media bias and gain $BNs of free PR by being exceedingly controversial but appearing to project strength and intent to solve problems that others have not even though they promised to do so. Who had all the $$$$$$ support of Wall St and Washington Establishment.

    Kasich, Jeb, Dr C and many others failed to understand how to target the market effectively. I personally would not have gone anywhere as far regarding how he worded things on Mex, Rad Muslims etc. He could have communicated the same points without coming across as a racist.


  14. WW,
    I did not get reeled in, i just detest the Clintons and like the creative put downs, why would I care about the accuracy. U dont like her either, unless u have changed? Anyhow these people are so corrupt “at this time, what difference does it make?” laugh or not!

    Will Trump develop the correct policies to help everyone? Who the hell knows?


  15. Hopi,

    Bim is not next! We have the threat of a major turn to the Right, maybe far Right (I pray not) in many cases, in Italy, Spain, Netherlands, and Germ/ France before the end of 2017.


  16. Sorry Hopi if u do not see the bigger picture

  17. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    MoneyB…am still dancing withat Killary’s disappointment, heard she had a nervous breakdown to my delight…..which part of I have been waiting 12 years…after i found out what she and slick Willy did in the 90s with immigration detention and imprisonment of black people for profit…then the Haiti thefts using Clinton Foundation.

    If Trump was not as bad or worse than Clinton…I would kiss him for bringing her to her knees…but we have not seen the worse of Trump yet.


  18. Hopi

    You defended stinking Donald Trump here.

    What we said about him was right then and will be more so in the future.

    You have to spend the next 4 years defending him, still. That’s you lot, not ours.

    We would prefer to choose the loosing candidate than to be so aligned, like you are and will be, with a racist.

    Are you a *ucking idiot? We have told you several times previously that your assumption that these writers are somewhere in the Caribbean is wrong, misguided and presupposes that because you’re in Canada geography gives you some superiority.

  19. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/fRU5306eXph

    That is what is being reported.


  20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOfn-8OKVL0

    Is this video a concoction or true reflection of US Muslim intolerance????? Notice the Christians are white, AfrAm and Hispanic.

  21. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    The price one pays for being stupid…lol

    “(CNN)A Tennessee corrections official is out of a job after he made several inflammatory Facebook posts, including one where he said “the KKK is more American” than President Obama and another where he hoped the First Family was hanged.

    David Barber was the deputy director of corrections for Shelby County for 17 years. The posts he made were on his personal Facebook page — but the backlash was immediate when they came to light.

    One said, “The KKK is more American than the illegal president!”
    Another said, “I TRUMP wins and obummer cannot start martial law, he will run to his new mansion in thaArab world to hide. Hopefully the Muslims will eliminate him and mooshelle as queers.”
    There were several others. In one, he posted an item about the President and the First Lady and wrote, “Arrest convict hang and confiscate all assets.”

    Yet another one said, “I am concerned that media using mixed race couple’s in ads as normal is one way liberal’s are trying to eliminate the white race.”

    Shelby County Commission Chairman Melvin Burgess, responding to the KKK post, called it “completely unacceptable.”

    “We must put an end to the racist rhetoric in this country and come together,” he said. “It was not alright and was unacceptable for Barber to make racist statements supporting the Ku Klux Klan.”
    Mayor Mark Luttrell told CNN affilate WREG that because the posts were on Barber’s private page, they didn’t appear to violate county policy. However, the county is now looking into creating a social media policy.

    “Anyone in a leadership position at Shelby County Government is held at a high standard of behavior, both on and off the job,” Luttrell said.
    On Wednesday, Barber offered his resignation to the mayor. “I sincerely regret that I was the scandal we were so happy to have avoided for so long. Please know that I meant no ill and hope to restore your confidence in me in the future,”

  22. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/EmVv306f3lx

    What else would you expect from those little inky dinky, backwoods, racist towns like Arkansas, jn the US…where the people are never known for intelligence.


  23. @Money B…Just trying to make it easy for Pachy…only 166.1sq miles of about 92 % Black folk should be tres facile for her to assess.

    @PachyPachy…Behave yaself nah! Ya cussing too much (u on de rag?) Where did I say that you and ‘your’ writers are in the C’bean? Ya too damn emotional Patchy it clouds ur vision. Anyhow, I’m not a ride nor die Trumpette. I support the man because my needs align with some of the policies he purports eg..reduction in the Corp Tax, and if I was given a choice of HRC and a transvestite Black belly sheep I would choose the latter and btw I just love an underdog. I hope to spend the next 4 years counting my ‘coins’ not defending the man. My issue with him is some of his choices for the cabinet like that lying dangerous war hawk John Bolton. But just give the man a chance!

  24. are-we-there-yet Avatar

    Here’s some very recent comments on cyber war infiltration in the US elections by a nation state. This is important, if true, as it is purported to be by the head of NSA and Cybersecurity in the US

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/6c324169-a638-361c-b5e8-74fbbb4a0b1d/nsa-chief-openly-accuses.html


  25. That’s ok Hopi not out of the ordinary for people to vote self interest but what is out of the ordinary is for people who can alligned themselves with organizations and racist banter and people whose lives purpose was to destroy blacks. In many words who have joined the list of whoremonges that u have villified and rallied against in many of your comments .Go figure

  26. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    I hate how Killary and Trump used those people, they have been suffering for decades, on welfare for decades, one of thousands of towns across the US…living in poverty…Congress and the senate have thrown up stumbling blocks to prevent the poor from getting help….it’s disgusting what these beasts do.

  27. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @are-we-at 5:02 PM # The difficulty with all the suggestions that a nation state (Russia) was responsible for tipping the election isthe query, WHY.

    I have blogged here that this Russia link to Trump is worth investigating but frankly that was my bias offs its meds and getting out of its straight-jacket.

    Logical speak suggests that Russia’s influence would get a forceful response from the intellgence services and surely one aspect of that would be a strong animus to the Trump regime as ‘traitors’. That is not a fight Trump’s team would win so I have some difficulty to understand the context of such a ‘known’ brazen attack.

    As you saw with the intellgence/military industry support to Clinton this cuts across party and any real sense that Trump’s team was even marginally involved would engender a closed ranks burn of Mr President Trump.

    At the moment this is all very crazy, so let’s hope there is nothing to it. Otherwise there will be some serious doo-doo hitting the fan. And if we thought the Bill Clinton WH was a mess then the Trumps’ would be a cesspool in comparison.

  28. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/lKbV306fvmq

    Chad…is this the Trump son in law and family you were gushing like a teenage girl about….yuk, yuk, yuk….vomit, vomit, vomit….I told ya ya too easily impressed by garbage….ya would make an easy woman…..lol, hahaha, lol.


  29. WW
    Kushy dont like Christie because Christie prosecuted his father on 3 counts and Kushidad went to prison. Trump should not have permitted him to snub Christie. What U know bout dis?

  30. are-we-there-yet Avatar

    DPD

    Yes! The whole thing makes no sense.

    If the Security and Cybersecurity organs in Obama’s administration were allowed to hint strongly that Russia was heavily involved in the wikileaks selective leaks that obviously targeted Hillary and the DNC and if there was verifiable substance to the agencies claims, why was there not some serious sabre rattling from the Obama administration or positions taken by members of the security class against the US’ arch enemy, Russia?

    Why would Trump have been allowed to get away, without dispute, with sticking to a pro-russia policy and claiming that there was no truth in the Russian-Wikileaks collaboration that the Obama administration put out there and did not follow up on?

    You and others might say; Its obvious why so little was made of it. Acting powful foolish at this time was not in Obama’s personal interests. He would want to sidle off the stage at the peak of his popularity without having set in train circumstances that could lead to, heaven forfend, the 3rd world war. So tamp it down now and let Trump deal with it later.

    Another question. Why would a high up Russian operative admit on the record that they were in direct contact with the Trump campaign during the campaign season? Shouldn’t they in the best practices of espionage that we have been nurtured on fictionally for years, shouldn’t they have kept quiet about this? What advantage does Trump get out of that admission? Could the operative been acting without Putin’s consent? On the other hand, the timing of that revelation is important. It came after the results of the elections were announced and before Trump called Putin – or it might have been the other way around and they had a long discussion, after trump had got his first real-real deep security briefing. It is also of interest that the next day Putin unleashed Cruise missiles on Aleppo (or was that Mosul? I don’t remember which and I am too lazy to google it).

    Could it be that Putin’s objective is asymetric cyber-destabilization of the American Government similar to the way he has been identified as destabilizing some former Russian satellite countries? I suspect the Russians are way ahead of the USA in this chess game.

    Could it be that the Security agencies, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc., are all in disarray an have no good plan of positive action that could counteract the Russian bear?

    I think, as I’ve been trying to hint in my posts for a few weeks now, that this is the area of most concern now as far as the USA’s future is concerned.

    Forgive the disjointed nature of this post. I’ve just been writing down points without a concerted effort to tie them together. Perhaps a younger brain like yours could do the honours.


  31. @ac….Yes, I have villified and railed against whoremongers aka dirty war-mongering zionist ‘jews’ whose only mission on this planet is to rape, pillage and murder. But unlike the Wicked Witch of the West and Obama, I haven’t seen Trump surround himself with these hardcore satanist. So there’s nothing to figure ‘yet.’

  32. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @are-we at 9:02 PM # re “Perhaps a younger brain like yours could do the honours.” LOLLL. Good try there.

    But you see what Comey get ‘heself’ embroiled in…so not me and trying to untangle this mess. Tings will out soon enough!

    For what it’s worth I followed your ‘disjointed’ remarks quite well and in the nefarious world of espionage and intelligence it’s actually better to have the joints hinged in odd ways to keep folks stumbling…so you are all good.

    Your main point says it all : “if there was verifiable substance to the agencies claims, why was there not some serious sabre rattling from the Obama administration….Why would Trump have been allowed to get away, without dispute…”

    When things don’t make sense it’s time to sit back and let the maguffies act out their scenes. Yes, there are many questions that NEED answers.

    Regardless, the real winner is the reigning world leader Mr Vladimr Putin. This man has been in power as PM or President in Russia for 15+ years; essentially he has legally hijacked his country’s electoral process because in each post he has called the shots.

    I wait with trepidation to see Trump go at it with this man. One hopes Trump knows what he is up against.

    Oh one other. Are the US Intel services in disarray. Well considering the Snowden breach and the other contractor from Booz Allen who ‘stole’ years of secret data, that may be a fair assessment.

    Maybe there are some serious other breaches not yet made public.

    All mind blowing incredible.


  33. Hopi carry on smartly keep living in denial …You are not alone more than a million people voted for Trump


  34. @ Hopi, who said………….

    ””@PachyPachyโ€ฆBehave yaself nah! Ya cussing too much (u on de rag?) Where did I say that you and โ€˜yourโ€™ writers are in the Cโ€™bean? Ya too damn emotional Patchy it clouds ur vision. Anyhow, Iโ€™m not a ride nor die Trumpette. I support the man because my needs align with some of the policies he purports eg..reduction in the Corp Tax, and if I was given a choice of HRC and a transvestite Black belly sheep I would choose the latter and btw I just love an underdog. I hope to spend the next 4 years counting my โ€˜coinsโ€™ not defending the man. My issue with him is some of his choices for the cabinet like that lying dangerous war hawk John Bolton. But just give the man a chance!”””””””

    =============================================

    We understand.

    However, there are ways to achieve those personal/corporate objectives, separate to a political semi-commitment.

    Trump’s elevation of Bannon, Bolton, Flynn are just the beginning of a real bad time to come.


  35. Davie, Money B. and Trump supporters, especially those who do not like Obama.
    Reagan was elected President many years before Trump ran for President, and before Obama, became President. Reagan’s campaign slogan was “Make America Great Again.” Why? Go figure. Trump is now beginning to realize that the presidency is more complicated then running a private company, where you can just declare bankruptcy and rip off everyone. Trump’s closeness with Russia is that after his several bankruptcy run-ins with U.S. banks, he had to turn to Russia to get funding. Do your research. When his dealings with the Kremlin are revealed, I want to hear from his supporters.


  36. Alvin Cummins;

    Thanks for your post above. I was not aware of the existence of information showing close financial links between Russian interests and Trump.

    Here’s one link that outlines the connections

    http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

    DPD;

    It gets curiouser and curiouser. Why would the Clinton People not drill down on the use of the above data to combat the Trump challenge?

    This whole thing makes less and less sense as one explores deeper.

    Looks like this is beyond my pay grade.


  37. Trump sold condos to Russians OMG!!!!!

    He borrowed $$$$$$ from Russians —he must be unpatriotic!

    ShillyWilly merely had a pay for play scam going with anyone who had $$$$$$$—Russians, ME dictatorships, well connected Lebanese from Nigeria, Marc Rich and a sordid group of international thugs! She must be messing her undies that trump dont lock her pink botsy up.


  38. “Trumpโ€™s closeness with Russia is that after his several bankruptcy run-ins with U.S. banks, he had to turn to Russia to get funding. Do your research. When his dealings with the Kremlin are revealed, I want to hear from his supporters.”

    ๏ˆI cannot understand how Mr Trump’s purported friendship with Mr Putin should be an issue. It should be a plus if two powerful cold war adversaries could amicably see to eye in geo-political matters on equal terms and not with one holding the bag as is the case now under the current President despite the best or worst efforts by Secretary of State Kerry to appease the Kremlin.

    Also isn’t there evidence to indicate that the Clintons’ solicited funds from foreign donors for their foundation.

  39. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Charles…they are all crooks, if ya dug deeply enough, ya will find the conflicts of interest, we want it connected and their asses exposed so that the world’s populations would stop having faith in or believe anything these lying politicians say…ever sgain.

    MoneyB…..you really believe the Clinton dont have real dirt on crooked Trump, they are friends and Trump loves to bpast, am sure they are going through all their recordings now to see which is the most damaging to release should he change his comments from just days ago from “the Clintons are good people, I do not want to hurt them”……….to …”Hillary is a crook, I will have a special prosecutor to lock her up”

    Ya still drinking Trump’s koolaid….it will soon kill ya..lol

  40. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    MoneyBโ€ฆ..you really believe the Clintons dont have real dirt on crooked Trump, they are really, really clise friends and Trump loves to boast….

  41. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    MoneyB.., the only thing I know about Trump & Co is that they are all feces and filth, they fit well together….lol

    None of this will end well for the American people…that’s what I know.

    But Chad is all impressed and enchanted…lol…by the way, where did Chad disappesr to…probably supping with Trump….lol

  42. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/zWRa306g38I

    Slime MoneyB…..slime.

    http://ow.ly/Lk99306g3Zo

    Your close friend Killary….lol

  43. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/S2CW306g4vL

    All of Trumps picks so far have this nasty racist aura hanging about them…….all..yuk


  44. How many of us can afford a burger for 36dollars i just if you are a billionaire who have scammed the taxpayers for 1billion dollars you can
    In the meanwhile DT has just filed legal papers requesting federal govt to have his taxes reduced on one of his other investments something to do with a postal service claiming that his 2million dollar or more which he pays in taxes should be reduce to a couple hundred thousand
    Guess if you are DT you can

  45. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ ac November 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM

    Isn’t life a striking paradox of similar proportion?

    Can you, ac, spot the difference between the living D T and the dead D T?

    Which one is the angel and which one the demon?

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