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Jeff Cumberbatch - Columnist, Barbados Advocate
Jeff Cumberbatch – Columnist, Barbados Advocate

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter…”Winston Churchill.

“Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time…”Winston Churchill

The story is that the deliberations of the US Constitutional Convention of 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, curious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. Their answer was soon provided. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin on his exit, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

As did most of my friends by their own admission, I spent last Wednesday morning in a funk of astonishment and disbelief at the events that had transpired in the US a few hours before. We were trying, as Maureen Dowd put it in her opinion piece in the New York Times last Wednesday, to “absorb the impossible”. Despite the geographical inexactitude and patent vagueness of his campaign slogan to “Make America Great Again”; despite his petulance and clear unease at articulating clearly any policy position; despite his clear contempt for those of a race or culture different from his own; despite his abandonment by the Republican establishment after flagrant displays of an offensive misogyny and mimicry of the disabled; and despite the unanimous certainty of the pre-election polls to the contrary, Donald J Trump had secured the mandate of the people (via the Electoral College) to become the next President of the United States of America.

And yet, on further reflection, it is not that difficult to explain this alarming event, although no single factor will suffice. For one, there is the vagary of democracy itself. Churchill’s dictum in the epigraph might seem uncharitable and perhaps even out of sync with our current constitutional ethos, but it may serve eloquently to explain in part some surprising results in recent democratic decisions such as the BREXIT referendum in the UK, the rejection of the peace accord in Colombia, the Trump victory and perhaps some others besides. And polls are mostly unable to predict these types of results because the actuality is that very few responders want to be perceived as being out of step with the prevailing view. I can count, on fewer than four fingers, the number of individuals who, to my knowledge, contemplated that Trump would have won this contest and even so, this was mostly because they hated Mrs. Hillary Clinton more.

This point as to the unthinking nature of voters should not be understated. In an interesting column published online in Foreign Policy, Jason Brennan first posits inarguably that “democracy is supposed to enact the will of the people” and then queries “but what if the people have no clue what they’re doing?” His thesis is that most voters are ignorant or misinformed because the costs to them of acquiring political information greatly exceed the potential benefits. He likens the democratic exercise to a professor telling her hypothetical class of 210 million that in their final exam no individual will receive his or her personal grade but that everyone will get the same grade. In that case, he argues, no one would bother to study and the common grade would be an “F”. He concludes therefore, “…voting is more like doing the wave at a sports game than it is like choosing policy.”

For some, it might have been precisely this Brennanesque stance of belittling the native intelligence of the ordinary voter that led ineluctably to the Trump triumph. One writer has argued persuasively that the choice made on Tuesday last might have been less of a instinctual default option and more of an “intelligent” choice. For him, anger and uncertainty at the inexorable march of globalization and technology had reached such a pitch that many voters were ready for disruption [of the status quo] at any cost.

“Enough of elites; enough of experts; enough of the status quo; enough of the politically correct; enough of the liberal intelligentsia and cultural overlords with their predominant place in the media; enough of the financial wizards who brought the 2008 meltdown and stagnant incomes and jobs disappearing offshore” is how Roger Cohen expresses their collective frustration in the New York Times, a worldview that could find some commonality in Trump’s sloganeering and would be antithetical rather to the Clinton campaign where the candidate herself was perceived as the epitome of this perverse state of affairs.

Indeed, more than a few commentators in recent days have focused their readership’s attention on the unsuitability of Mrs. Clinton as the worthiest Democratic opponent for Mr. Trump. Not-so- easily-dismissed suspicions about the moral authenticity of the process that brought her the nomination as the candidate of the Democratic Party; her coziness with “them” (the financial and social establishment) and a regrettable sense of entitlement that, perhaps unfairly, suggested that she should be free from popular and legal scrutiny –what Maureen Dowd calls a “miasma of financial and ethical cheesiness”; would scarcely have endeared Mrs. Clinton to the alienated rural voter in the counties and states of Middle America.

Nor should we discount lightly the bigotry that might have induced apoplexy should a female be allowed to follow a blackish individual into the White House and that would have felt itself threatened by the inexorable “browning” of a formerly whitish USA.

Today’s headline to this column poses a question for further debate. It is part of a broader inquiry as to what type of President is Trump likely to be. Given his flip-flopping with the truth during his campaign, it would be mere conjecture to base this conclusion purely on his utterances then. Will he be the candidate who claims that he knows more about ISIS than even the generals on the Joint Chiefs of Staff and thus be the individual defender of the “Free World” or will the demands and stresses of the office, so clearly evident in the frosting of the crowns of both Presidents Clinton and Obama during their respective tenures, humble him sufficiently to tone down his inflammatory exclusionist rhetoric?

The defining characteristic of the republican system of government as distinct from that of the monarchical that the US would have successfully rebelled against in 1776, is its checks and balances inherent in the constitutional construct of the separation of powers to ensure that no one branch impinges on the exclusive preserve of the other. Trump’s campaign discourse made a mockery of this principle with his frequent references as to what “I” would do. There was no correspondingly frequent mention of “my administration”.

Now, with the Republicans controlling both the Senate and Congress, and with a President Trump, emboldened by his electoral mandate, entitled to reject the Republican establishment as a consequence of their earlier treatment causing him to do it “all by himself”, the circumstances are ideal for a return to a quasi-monarchical system of “Trumpism”.


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396 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – A Return to the Monarchy?”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    MoneyB….I thought you had moved to Washington to get a pick in Trump’s reorganization of the swamp…lol. ..


  2. Sarge,
    Exactly why Trump is not going to be as aggressive as Pres as most have been conditioned to believe.


  3. Trump cannot win with people on this thread. They mock him for being a dangerous neo-fascist who makes extreme statements. When he tries to moderate his remarks, they mock him for being inconsistent.

    I support Trump because his trade and immigration policies make sense. His scepticism of environmentalism will be useful because Obama has gone too far into green politics. His education policies may not work but deserve to be tried. His lack of interest in abortion and the LGBT agenda is a welcome change.

    On the other hand, his policies on domestic law enforcement and taxation are BS, as are most of his defense and foreign policies.

    You have to take the bad with the good sometimes — in order to avoid an incompetent, overbearing dunce like Hillary.

  4. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/JP0Q3068ccC

    I dont think yall can convince the thousands of protesters who been doing dixie for 5 straight days either….unprecedented after a US election, but here to stay.

  5. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/1VZR3068cOv

    All her lying and plotting and scheming to deceive the American people revealed.


  6. Trump said in his first interview he wants to send back 2-3 million undocumented criminals immediately to their homeland .With such a large number those countries being affected hopefully have some kind of ready plan to accept them but most likely some or most would be returned to jails in those countries where human rights laws are slacked
    However it is inevitable these immigrants would be placing additional burden on govts.

  7. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    I mock Trump for being a dangerous neo-fascist who promotes White Supremacist ideology… when he moderates his statements I don’t believe him.


  8. It has been very interesting reading most of the posts here and in the earlier American election blog. Most have glossed over the fact that a Donald Trump presidency is so far from the norm that his win must have sent shockwaves into not only the Democrat establishment but into the Republican one as well and onto operatives at all levels in the three pillars of Governance as well as the private sector in the Country and also providing possible opportunities for proactive action by powerful countries that historically interact with the USA.

    I think that most missed the fact that Trump won because the establishment did not think that he had a chance of winning. If they thought he had a chance steps would have been put in place to stop it. The anti-Trump endorsements by practically all the media in the run up to the election attests to this fact. Instead, a strategic 3rd column action was played out as a late October surprise that essentially removed the person from the race that most thought would have won it.

    Now that Trump has won I suspect that there will be efforts to ensure, by whatever means necessary, that he will not get an opportunity to govern. For example civil legal challenges; Governmental legal challenges; Enhanced Civil unrest; CIA and FBI investigations leading to explicit revelations of connections of concern re. the security of the country. Unless Trump can be turned or bought over America will change forever from January 2017. There is too much at stake to risk the American presidency in the hands of a provably unstable Trump and It is possible that even now plans are afoot to drastically reduce that risk. Such plans could take several forms, with each one’s purpose being to ensure that Trump does not get to act in the manner that his statements and seeming committments suggested. Other plans might be in place by internal and external actors seeking to do the same.

    Trump is likely to be torn between two unstoppable forces. Something must give.

    Don’t be surprised if Mike Pence assumes the mantle of President in the New Year unless Trump’s people get to him first and puts the Trevor Noah scenario in play.

    The Donald Trump presidency is not like any previous US presidency and treating with it and analysing possible outcomes using previous US presidencies as templates for necessary action is fraught with danger. The templates which might fit lie much further afield. Ask the Germans.

    Just some more conspiratorial axsery to while away the time while the real world continues its uniformitarian spinning.

  9. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/FRnB3068rcB

    An uneducated president elect

    http://ow.ly/h6bR3068rgM

    Results in uneducated supporters

  10. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/Jgnc3068rO4

    Can’t make any excuses now.

  11. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/EaAY3068s3N

    Lol..hahaha


  12. “Well Well & Consequences November 13, 2016 at 10:10 PM #

    http://ow.ly/1VZR3068cOv

    All her lying and plotting and scheming to deceive the American people revealed.”


    Then Well Well do you think the Obama’s would have put themselves out on a limb to that extent if the revelations were true?

  13. are-we-there-yet Avatar

    Some things to watch for in the coming weeks;

    Lack of any discussion about the clear connections between Russia and the Trump campaign.
    Tamping down of discussion about the nuclear codes and entrusting the Trump with America’s dark secrets.
    Anti Trump Leaks coming from overseas sources – not wikileaks however.
    Trump’s peculiar staff announcements, Starting with Bannon.
    What post Guiliani will get.
    The Democrats willingness or unwillingness to fight the confirmation of similar announcements.
    The action that Trump will take about Hillary and Bill Clinton’s supposed crimes.
    The protests that seem to have a life of their own and will not go away.
    Trump blowing hot and cold and hot again about his key campaign promises and the clues that point to what he is willing to jettison.
    The death of the “draining the swamp” meme


  14. @ David who said earlier…
    Have no doubt voters responded to a bigoted and race tinged message from Trump, this behaviour will always be present in racist America…
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Present in racist America….?
    Boss, this is probably the most common and pervasive human characteristic anywhere….. racism.

    What do you think will be the result if Money B came back to Barbados – as bright, rich and intelligent as he is, …. and run against Froon?
    Money B ….. 6000 votes
    Froon ………94000 votes

    Surely wunna fellows can discern by now that the game is up..
    Contrary to Chad’s hopes, and his reliance on human goodwill, it MUST be clear that there is only chaos and destruction ahead.
    It is a catch 22 situation, and Trump has been the clincher.

    In order to achieve the power needed to effect change in this world, one has to utilise the tools of the god of this world.
    Lie, cheat, steal, bribe, kill …if necessary….

    BUT, having achieved that power, the strategies needed to succeed are the unassailable SPIRITUAL tools of love, community-mindedness, togetherness, respect and patience.

    so….
    Good people will NEVER get elected to power…..and…
    Those able to get themselves elected come with diametrically opposite skills needed for success.

    This is Walter Blackman’s dilemma.
    He is a good man.
    He wants to be elected to do good things for Barbados.
    In order to be elected, he will have to kowtow to the ‘system’ …the DLP and to various shady ‘funders’….

    This is what happened to David Thompson….
    He ended up selling his soul to the devil – via Satan’s CLICO agent – in his quest to be elected to ‘do good for Barbados’.

    There are TWO ways out…..
    1 – for the people to change our collective mindset from brass bowlery and albino-centric …to righteousness and community-centric. Everything will follow logically.
    2 – or we all die…..


  15. MB

    I Would love to hear your forecast for the Trump presidency……he seems to be backtracking already……note the 2-3M deportees is the same amount Obama earmarked and he has high praise for Obama……then his GOP colleagues dont seem to care for him much……the easy part was to win….how will he govern…..I await your response.

  16. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Charles. ..yeah, they erroneously thought they were doing it for love of party…that crap again…and backed the wrong horse….I am even beginning to think that it was design caused Drumpf/Trump to rise to opens the US’ s big stinking, oozing centuries old life sore for the world to see, smell and for the US to face and heal….not man’s design.

    The way this is playing out, there are higher spiritual works in play…much higher.

    The Obamas and so does Trump, know Killary is distasteful, putting it mildly, disgusting, greedy and an all round demon and really should have backed Sanders.

    Higher powers at play.

  17. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/Gvgm3068Wwp

    The protestors know exactly what time it is.

    Unfortunately for MoneyB..the campaign was one thing, but given the abrupt and sudden u-turns and white supremist selections to key white house posts.., MoneyB cannot predict anything anymore.

    Chad o 9ines did not even think the KKK still has influence in the US, he dont even know who the other hate groups are or that their numbers are greater and even more entrenched in the upper echelons.

    They were both playing a game of chicken, being so impressed by the bullshit pulled out of thin air, and now have to await the outcome…you do not play chicken with demons…..lol

  18. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Good luck with all the empty promises and swèet nothings…..MoneyB and Chad would make easy women to bend over……lol

    http://ow.ly/agdG30690lT

    I prefer listen to the experts who at least have experience.

    http://ow.ly/3AIA3068ZRN

  19. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    You can read the Wall Street Journal’s full report in the link, but this was too sweet not to post……Trump thought the west wing was coming fully loaded with Obama’s experienced staff…so all he had to do was order them around…surprise, surprise he gotta choose his own staff, well hell’s bells….he will just fill it up with hate group leaders…even David Duke may get a pick…lol

    He thought the white house was a gaudy casino and strip club.

    “Donald Trump and Barack Obama.Win McNamee/Getty Images)
    President-elect Donald Trump celebrated his status as a Washington outsider during his campaign for the presidency.

    But his lack of familiarity with the US government is coming into view as he transitions to the job in the White House.

    During Trump’s private meeting with President Barack Obama on Thursday, Trump “seemed surprised” by the scope of the president’s responsibilities, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal.

    Trump’s aides were also apparently unaware that the entire staff of the president working in the White House’s West Wing would need to be replaced, according to the Journal.

    Obama reportedly will spend more time counseling Trump about the presidency than most presidents do with their successors.

    Trump and Obama were highly critical of each other during the campaign season, but appear to have struck a conciliatory tone since Trump’s election, at least publicly.

    “I want to emphasize to you, Mr. President-elect, that we now are going to want to do everything we can to help you succeed, because if you succeed then the country succeeds,” Obama said to Trump in front of reporters on Thursday. Trump called Obama “a very good man” during the session.”

  20. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/13/1598359/-Kellyanne-Conway-to-Trump-critics-Be-careful-what-you-say

    Before showing ignorance or fear people…educate thyself.

    There is no reason Obama should be wasting valuable time spoonfeeding this clueless jackass Trump since he has been spouting for 8 years how superior he is to Obama and how he knows everything about everything.

    Everyone should have known from he jumped out sqawking about if a black man could be president, he could too and do a better job than Obama and all the rubbish that accompanied his verbal diarrhea…and blah blah rah rah, monkey see monkey wanna do, when he started begging Oprah to join him…everyone should have known there is something mentally not ofay about that clown.

    Educate thyself before believing lies and supporting politicians.

    Trump is now swimming with the sharks….the American public……and he is fair game, he has no libel protection, he is a target for the citizens, with all he claims to know, he and that ugly albino Conway…did not know this, until today.

    The press will have a field day, the bloggers will destroy him….and he can do nothing.


  21. @ WW&C
    Why are you being so negative and spiteful…?
    The man played the game fair and square to win within the electoral rules in place. Perhaps he was being pragmatic in the underhand methods he used to win….
    When in Rome, do as the Romans do …sort of thing.

    Why not accept that he has won, and now look at it from the view of what he must now do to succeed as president… which is CLEARLY a different strategy to winning….

    Is not the best interest of the WHOLE country (and world) everyone’s concern?
    How will it help for us to wish for his failure now…?
    …well except for GP and Zoe who have rides booked on the Rapture….. 🙂

  22. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Bushman…not accepting shit…when told it is cake, is not being spiteful and negative…it is being REAL…seeing shit and calling it shit…there are millions of souls such as myself alive and flourishing on earth.

    Now if yall had done that in Barbados, you would not have the shit that is DBLP and COW, Bizzy, Bjerkham, Thompson decd, Maloney, Parris and Harris to cry about all goddamn day, everday, 24/7, 365.

    Reality is a refreshing and wonderful thing.

    But Bushman….

    I am just posting the reality…I am making none of this up…as I told Chad.,..I can send you email addresses to verify…..ya think it’s spite now…wait, it ain’t start yet…something you can learn from…lol

  23. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    And….you love to villify the American people Bushman…but they will show you how it’s done….they do not enjoy playing the role of victims…as Bajans do….so watch and learn and share with the younger folk, so the above named dont continue to victimize you.

  24. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/Uhwz3069xV4

    See what I told you Bushman….intelligent people don’t sit around on their backsides waiting to be victimized, or for the next kick……or to be robbed for 30 or 40 years…intelligent, concerned citizens identify and expose the rot from early and work to stop it…they never let it seep into the society without a fight.

    Wuh if ya know something is going to happen and dont work on stopping it, ya will get Fruendel, Kellman, Lowe, Dumbville, Adriel Nitwit, Sealey, Michael Lashey….ya will get what you deserve…lol, a hahaha, lol.


  25. Vinnie,
    Like the Devil said to a Lawyer lured by false riches to Hell when the Lawyer complained the Devil replied,”yesterday we were campaigning, today is reality”. I certainly hope he will follow through on his recent conciliatory tone and do little harm, but some eggs must be cracked to make a delicious omelette. Trump won because he read the market correctly and dominated the news for over a year. Trump now has to prove he can bring people together, a very difficult task. I never supported everything Trump said but I did point out where Clinton was vulnerable and I certainly detest the Clintons.

    How can you expect me to know what he will do? He does not know yet. If he is sincere in solving the major problems then he better seek broad consultation, elicit feedback from pro and con on each issue.


  26. MB

    Chuckle…….you have read the tea leaves correctly and we will be in for an intersting ride as he does whatever the last voice says which in turn will offend the penultimate voice…..always be carefull as you may get what you wished for.


  27. Hmmmmm………..interesting…..lets see who blinks first.

    “A batch of Boeing orders will be replaced by Airbus. US auto and iPhone sales in China will suffer a setback, and US soybean and maize imports will be halted. China can also limit the number of Chinese students studying in the US.”

    China’s state media outlines how the country will respond to potential Trump-inspired trade war with America.
    iPhones, US cars and Boeing could suffer if ‘naive’ Trump pursues trade war with China
    President-elect ‘will be condemned for his recklessness, ignorance and incompetence’ if he imposes tariffs, says Communist party-controlled paper
    theguardian.com|By Tom Phillips

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/14/china-threatens-to-cut-sales-of-iphones-and-us-cars-if-naive-trump-pursues-trade-war?CMP=fb_gu

  28. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Lol…., it will not be boring fir sure, the blogs worldwide will be alive and kicking.

  29. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/Kv9q3069RZn

    7.8 earthquake hits NZ today.

  30. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sanders-support-protesting-against-donald-trump-us-elections-a7416046.html

    I complete get that the electoral college created couple centuries ago was created for the states that are parsley populated, like Dakotas, Oregon, etc…but it should have been reviewed and upgraded decades ago, in the 1800s…there was no social media or internet….there is no excuse fir keeping a useless in its present state system when upgrades are available.


  31. So what kinda mind game Trump playing willing to be President for one dollar says one dollar per year salary is what he will take. Knowning how he already scam the system for one billion wonder what rabbit he has to pull out of his hat on this one

  32. are-we-there-yet Avatar

    Just heard that Trump will not take the salary as POTUS.

    Hmm! Not sure that that sends the exact message that he intended. Seems to me that the message I get from that story is that Trump wants to be considered as an exceptional president in every respect. None of their filthy lucre! I wonder what else he will institute to drill down his exceptionalism and perhaps make a legal case for his not providing information on his finances?

    No scrutiny of the Imperial one’s finances especially since he is not taking any money directly from the state in salary?

    Trump Towers to replace the White House – he will provide his own living quarters?

    Airforce one to be replaced by the Trump Airplane?

    His personal security detail paid from his pocket?

    Who knows what other surprises are hidden in the murky waters that are welling up for Trump’s America?

    I wonder if anyone else heard the news flash on MSNBC and if any explanation was given.

  33. are-we-there-yet Avatar

    Uh tell wunnah dat de US people made the mother of all errors in voting Donald Trump into the White House. Watch for Trump’s enablers finding some way out arguments and precedents to justify that One-dollar salary that ac says he said he will take.

    Wow! Not even the great Connecticut Yankee, Mark Twain could make up stories as outlandish as this one.

  34. are-we-there-yet Avatar

    Money Brain;

    Seems to me that some of the BU regulars seem to be under the impression that you predicted the Trump win. My very imperfect recollection is that you were always rabidly against Hillary Clinton and thought that Trump was the better candidate, despite his obvious greater flaws. I don’t recall you predicting his win on BU.

    Did you predict that he would win? Am I wrong re. the above?


  35. A second earthquake measuring 6.3 in magnitude hits New Zealand, hours after an initial quake killed two people.

    http://bbc.in/2eS4JPC

  36. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Sargeant November 13, 2016 at 5:14 PM re “I am surprised that you believe that experience in one facet of industry can be easily replicated in another.”——— That’s one way to dismiss Trump and my narrative on him but it misses the point.

    Here is a counter-point narrative: Trump is nimble on his feet and extremely intuitive. Everything in his business, social and now political DNA suggests that he is the proverbial ‘quick study’ and has mastered the art of life very well.

    I accept all you said that negotiating business deals is completely different to handling and negotiating with the political leader of Russia or Iran. Yet, it is still very reasonable to determine that his success in the business sphere can be adapted and translated to the world scene.

    Not that this reminder is necessary but nonetheless, NO President actually does the heavy lifting of negotiations. The diplomatic teams hash out the thorny details long before the leaders sit down and have their ‘Camp David’ moments.

    Thus in that vein we could ask what made Barack Obama or George Bush (43 or 41) successful on the world scene that does not allow Trump to have the same success or lack thereof?

    Obama was a legally trained professor, civil rights leader and Senator with a golden tongue. What of that resume supported that he could replicate success as a President?

    Bush 43 is even more interesting. After a visit to CIA HQ as president he wryly told CIA Director Hayden that it was his first time there because during his father’s time as director they always thought he was ‘too much of a security risk…’.

    So I agree that a business background is not as ideal as Trump thinks to run a country but yet when we diss his ability (as I too have) we also need to step back and accept that all things being equal his deficit of knowledge is no more gaping than many of his predecessors.

    His ‘ignorant’ campaign remarks were DELIBERATE and they did the job to roil the electorate… He is President isn’t he. Now it’s about governance…we dismiss his ‘acumen’ at our peril.

    All that said, I still share the sentiment of others that he will not last the for years but due to his temperament to get embroiled in stupid things not his ‘deficit of knowledge’.

  37. are-we-there-yet Avatar

    Vincent Haynes;

    Thanks for your post of 1:58. It puts the 1 dollar salary per year into a much better perspective but I think it still sends the wrong message.

    What ever happened to the concept of an arguable equality amongst the political class. Doesn’t it evoke feelings of Trump being an Emperor of sorts? I know that the American sheep will embrace the concept but I think it betrays an attitude by Trump that he can do anything he likes and no one has any recourse for whatever he does.

    He is different! He is the one and only Trump!

    I wonder if any of our Historians can tell us of any other Strong Man President that refused to take a salary, measly though it might have been in comparison to what he or she might make otherwise, in any other Country in modern times?

  38. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Trump is just copying billionaire former Mayor of NYC Mike Bloomberg, he never accepted money for the years he spent at Gracie Mansion, he worked for free $1 a year, did a lot of crap…as Trump would say…and took the subway to and from work everyday, I dont think he ever stayed at Gracie Mansion like Guiliani did.


  39. WW
    I did here from Trump’s people but when I said I was Bajan the line went dead! lol

  40. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/TAek306a4tB

    Apparently 2 presidents declined salaries.

    http://ow.ly/mODQ306a4Nf

    What it is making people question….as is their democratic right…can he forego the salary and cut his tax bill….lol

  41. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Lol…MoneyB…we may joke about that, but hopefully it will not turn into reality for Fruendel..lol

  42. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    So Trump cannot refuse the money, he can donate it to charity or return it in whole or in part to the treasury, as Obama did when federal employees had to take a pay cut, he returned that amoubt of his salary to the treasury….Herbert Hoover and one of the Kennedys donated their to charity…..George Washington tried to refuse his but that did not quite work out…

    Only CEOs like Facebook, Apple etc has an out with that re taxes and taking $1…..or noble laureates etc who win cash prizes.

    But here is the tax answer.

    …..”to a taxpayer’s possession is constructively received by him in the taxable year during which it is credited to his account, set apart for him, or otherwise made available so that he may draw upon it at any time, or so that he could have drawn upon it during the taxable year if notice of intention to withdraw had been given.

    In other words, there’s no requirement that you take the money to make it taxable – just that it’s made available to you. If there’s a penalty for taking it (think deferred income in a retirement account) or if you don’t have the legal right to take it (think stock options that are not yet vested), the IRS doesn’t consider it fully available to you and there’s no tax immediately payable.

    But what if you leave your paycheck in a drawer, tear it up, or refuse to cash it? Or what if you hand it back to HR? For tax reasons, you can’t just give your check back or refuse to take it in order to escape or defer tax: it’s still taxable to you when it’s made available. Giving it back or refusing to cash it doesn’t change the fact that you had the opportunity to take it – even if you politely (or not so politely) declined.”

    Lol, hahaha, lol…only in America.


  43. @Are-we-there-yet

    Your concern about Trump accepting a $1.00 salary is moot if you accepted he spent millions of his money to support his campaign.


  44. David

    The man been avoiding taxes for most of his life and I cannot see why he will let that measly sum entice him.

  45. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/Je2L306abgE

    Oh well..lol


  46. The man is a trickster there is more to Trump offerings than meet the eye. Trump did not get rich by working for free. In this instance one can predict that his lawyers have giving him legal advise to his advantage.Some one call the money measly maybe measly to a fool but one can bet that his offerings of refusal will net Trump more in excess than if he took the money.
    Donot forget he screwed the taxpayers for billion and told them he was smart


  47. are we,
    I am always careful in making predictions, especially about the future. lol

    I did give loads of info indicating that Shill was undesirable but hesitated to actually call a Trump win although I do believe we are on the cusp of a trend towards the repudiation of Progressive Liberalism and a global move to the Right, pray not too far Right. Already started in Argentina.


  48. WW
    Would Froon actually weak up and make the call?


  49. The internal fighting continues between Trump and Reid after the appointment of Banon as chief of staff a known white supremacist and also known for his racist banter.
    The Republican party is going to have a hard time controlling Trump a man very much have grown accustomed to having his way and a man who can be easly offended and has shown in more ways than one how he can use the power of the pen to discredit those who oppose
    Happy tweeting Trump
    Go protesters
    I suspect that if Trump carries his bombas to Congress under the guise of fighting for those who elected him the war of division between him and both parties can very well lead to his impeachment

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