Lord I Believe, Help Thou My Unbelief…
Submitted by PieceUhDeRock
The following is from Gospel according to Mark:
22And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.
23Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
24And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
It comes from Mark 9.
I have long loved this verse because it best describes the “state of flux” that I, and hopefully a few of you, the lukewarm dwellers, dwell in.
For me that verse best represents a Moho, similar to that Mohorovičić discontinuity, that boundary between the Earth’s crust and its mantle.
Like this thing called belief, the Moho is purported to be in a constant state of change from solid to liquid to gas or so de ole man’s memory would seek to recall from geography classes. No one has ever seen it but seismic readings so intimate.
And yes, “let Google be your friend”, while pertinent to what might be disinformation, is not really central to what I would wish to achieve with this submission.
Lord, I believe, help thou mine unbelief is non partisan, insofar as it has no BLP nor DLP politicking in it. It is that admission of a scientist knowing that he does know fashioned for a believer, or one who knocks upon the door.
De ole man submits it here, to the BU audience THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED, with a flailing hope that those who have the knowledge can indeed espouse here and share insights with floundering souls, like mine, which know that I see through a glass darkly, but like the Eunuch would wish to “understand that which I readeth…”
And yes…we can be assured that not many will come here, but, those who do come should be able to take hope that those of you who “know” will share, and care, for the Word in which you believe in such a manner that you do nothing but “help thou in increasing belief in His Word…
Barbados Underground 
My apologies per my seeming commingling Dr. Georgie Porgie.
I either did not remember what I had read or am like many here? given to regurgitate what I think it means.
INCORRECTLY.
But I thank you nonetheless.
I spoke of two instances one pertaining to the seating order and the other the matter of transference of the earthly institution of marriage to Heaven solely to indicate to AC that the matter of contending inter the disciples obtained EVEN WHILE THE MASTER WAS YET HERE.
De ole man sought to say that it is in the character of us men to prostitute all that we touch because we become attached to the physical.
I suggest respectfully that tithing is probably such a practice that was inserted in the writings to serve the purposes of certain translators of the the Word and beg forgiveness if such is not the case.
My reason is quite simple.
What use hath the Creator of ALL THINGS of a tithe? when he is the Lord of the Harvest?
Therefore I suggest that this was a man imposed thing that has brought great wealth to the church and through which its so called apostles now seek to benefit by charlatan acts like Benny Hines and the rest of the Jippy Doyle crew.
GOD does not need any tithe but he delighteth in our “devotion” whatever form of respectful obeisance that takes.
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ammmmm you must forgive the ole man while i leave these things pertaining to GOD (if I can be so presumptuous to say such, and go to attend to a matter regarding the “Caesar” on the Bajans Want Change blog in my interpretation of “render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto GOD the things that are GOD’s”.
Such arrogance but I am not yet as disconnected as many of you are with this dichotomy where I am able to just wait it out for the Rapture.
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pIECE
THE JEWS WERE ORDERED TO TITHE IN THE LAW
FOR THE CHURCH IN THE OT TITHING IS NOT ORDERED
CHURCH MEMBERS ARE ASKED TO GIVE WILLINGLY A THEY ARE ABLE
2 cOR 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
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Oh loss miller dont mek me bust my guts laughing.Dont treat BT that way he got the right ear of God.
Btw speaking of Adam and Eve it crossed my mind that nothing was ever mentioned of Adam or Eve having a mother. However God creating two humans from dust and then abandon both which would have been Gods biological children from his creation.To the logical mind it would have been an act of cruelty to envision a parent abandoning their child because of disobedience in present time
Which then begs the question one of logical which parent in their right mind would abandon their child because of disobedience. Who does a cruel act like that.
But then again maybe these stories are creations of old sage myths intentionally to send psychological messages about good and evil..temptation punishment and reward.
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very interesting synopsis of Pauls teaching to a doubtful and restless christian congregation pertaining to the return of Christ,
https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/n/new-testament-of-the-bible/summary-and-analysis/1-and-2-thessalonians
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You see why I does get on like I mek myself sometimes??
You imagine dat people trying to glean some sort of understanding from men of letters discoursing the etymology of a word and the difference that a character makes in the Scrolls, a second speaking to the design that permeates all things and which in an of itself begs a Designer or a third speaking of the reason why such is all fallacy and figments of our imagination and a body bring Cliff Notes to the fray?
Steupseee
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Ok since you do not like clif eye opening notes ,then explain to me a talking snake without using biblical terminology
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I will explain to you the symbology of a talking snake if you explain the reality of the “Silver Chord” and its relationship with the Garden of Eden
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Amm another man made fictitious story one that tries to give a human connection to God similar to a way a baby connects or bonds to its mother while in the womb by use of the umbilical cord.
The silver chord or whatevet termed has become another design if new age teaching trying to explain the unknown
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PIECE
NOTE THAT ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE EARLY CHURCH AT JERUSALEM WERE JEWS
THEY WERE TO EVANGELIZE THE WORD
PERSECUTION FORCED THEM TO DO SO
THEY USED THE LOVELY ROMAN ROADS WHICH EXTENDED THROUGHOUT THE KNOWN WORLD TO GET AWAY FROM THEIR PERSECUTION
PAUL WAS GIVEN THE TASK TO GO THE GENTILES, BUT WHEREVER HE WENT, HE PREACHED TO THE JEW FIRST BECAUSE HE LOVED HIS PEOPLE
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millertheanunnaki October 27, 2016 at 5:58 PM #
Yes I had noted that our friend BT has imbibed from the Dogon well and it is food for thought……..simply put it is the oldest known attempt to explain humanoids existence and the planets…….far better than the rubbish spewed by some ignorant ones,in the true sense of the term, on this site.
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Yes GP, this is the BU Trilogy of Satanic Bildge Pumpers, namely, BushTea, Nnaki/Monkey, and Pacha the Mama, here we could not want a more classic example of intelligence gone BAD, energized by the father of ALL lies, Satan, exactly as the ‘Word’ of God declares:
“The lamp of the body is the eye, If therefore your eye is GOOD, your whole body will be full of LIGHT. But if your eye is BAD, your whole body will be full of DARKNESS. If therefore the light that is IN you IS* DARKNESS, how great IS* that DARKNESS.” ( Matt 6: 22, 23) Emphasis added.
“For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes ARE clearly SEEN, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal POWER and Godhead, so that they ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE. Because, although they knew God, they did NOT glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became FUTILE in their thoughts, and their FOOLISH hearts were DARKENED. Professing to be wise, they became FOOLS.” ( Rom. 1:20-22)
Futile, ‘mataloo’ To make empty, vain, foolish, useless, confused. The word describes the perverted logic and idolatrous presumption of those who do not honor God or show Him any gratitude for His blessings on humanity.
So it be!
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@Zoe
What about all the others who contribute and read BU who ‘believe’?
You define BU by a few commenters?
Wheel and come again.
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Definition of Intelligent Design
What is intelligent design?
Intelligent design refers to a scientific research program as well as a community of scientists, philosophers and other scholars who seek evidence of design in nature. The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. Through the study and analysis of a system’s components, a design theorist is able to determine whether various natural structures are the product of chance, natural law, intelligent design, or some combination thereof. Such research is conducted by observing the types of information produced when intelligent agents act. Scientists then seek to find objects which have those same types of informational properties which we commonly know come from intelligence. Intelligent design has applied these scientific methods to detect design in irreducibly complex biological structures, the complex and specified information content in DNA, the life-sustaining physical architecture of the universe, and the geologically rapid origin of biological diversity in the fossil record during the Cambrian explosion approximately 530 million years ago.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjq3-qF3v3PAhUJ-2MKHbcrCNgQFghfMAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.intelligentdesign.org%2Fwhatisid.php&usg=AFQjCNG9Z-H-J-C5ol3O0m6UDTHLSoFdhw&sig2=ZeHEw-kmGF0RGbr3VirKmQ
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Arguments against God.
In any case though, I don’t see that claiming to know that there is no God requires me to say that no one could have good reasons to believe in God. I don’t think there’s some general answer to the question, “Why do theists believe in God?” I expect that the explanation for theists’ beliefs varies from theist to theist. So I’d have to take things on a case-by-case basis.
I have talked about this with some of my theist friends, and I’ve read some personal accounts by theists, and in those cases, I feel that I have some idea why they believe what they believe. But I can allow there are arguments for theism that I haven’t considered, or objections to my own position that I don’t know about. I don’t think that when two people take opposing stands on any issue that one of them has to be irrational or ignorant.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2j7q23_3PAhVB52MKHTeiBXEQFghAMAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fopinionator.blogs.nytimes.com%2F2014%2F02%2F25%2Farguments-against-god%2F&usg=AFQjCNHsjLtjCVYjvHDv-2hy7WRE3Ev7nQ&sig2=RX8WETqHxgpkiIVXHk7B2Q
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Zoe October 28, 2016 at 7:48 AM #
Yes GP, this is the BU Trilogy of Satanic Bildge Pumpers, namely, BushTea, Nnaki/Monkey, and Pacha the Mama,
re here we could not want a more classic example of intelligence
THERE I NO INTELLIGENCE HERE
THIS IS A CONGLOMERATION OF DEMONS AS EXEMPLIFIED BY THE VERY WORDS THEY USE
THERE ROLE IS TO SEE THAT ANY CORRECT BIBLE TEACHING GOES FORTH FROM THIS SITE
THEY INTERRUPT IT BY RESORT TO TALK ABOUT TRIVIA AND OBSCURE TEXTS
THEY DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY dO NOT BELIEVE AND THUS CANNOT KNOW OR UNDErSTAND
A FEW DAYS AGO I SET UP THE HEAD DEVIL HERE BY AKING ABOUT RIGHTEOUSNEss
I DEBUNKED HIS NONSENSE BY CITING TWO IMPORTANT TEXT FROM ROMANs
WHEN YOU CAME YOU CITED FURTHER TEXTS FROM SCRIPTURE
WE TEACH SCRIPTURE NOT RELIGION
the SCRIPTURES YOU CITE BELOW ARE SOUND DOCTRINE THAT CAN NOT BE CONDEMNED………THEY CANNOT BE REFUTE
“The lamp of the body is the eye, If therefore your eye is GOOD, your whole body will be full of LIGHT. But if your eye is BAD, your whole body will be full of DARKNESS. If therefore the light that is IN you IS* DARKNESS, how great IS* that DARKNESS.” ( Matt 6: 22, 23) Emphasis added.
“For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes ARE clearly SEEN, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal POWER and Godhead, so that they ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE. Because, although they knew God, they did NOT glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became FUTILE in their thoughts, and their FOOLISH hearts were DARKENED. Professing to be wise, they became FOOLS.” ( Rom. 1:20-22)
Futile, ‘mataloo’ To make empty, vain, foolish, useless, confused. The word describes the perverted logic and idolatrous presumption of those who do not honor God or show Him any gratitude for His blessings on humanity.
So it be!
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NAMES OF THE DEVIL
APPELLATIVES (NAMES) THAT DESCRIBE SATAN
(1) “The great dragon” stresses Satan’s vicious and cruel character and emphasizes his end time activity and behavior.
(2) “The serpent of old” clearly identifies him as Satan and draws our attention to his crafty character. It reminds us of the garden of Eden, the fall of man, his usurpation of man’s rule on earth, and his constant activity of temptation and deception.
(3) “The devil” is the Greek diabolos and means “slanderer, defamer.” It reminds us of Satan’s activity to impugn the character of God (see Job 1) and to accuse believers for whom Christ died (cf. Rev. 12:10 and Rom. 8:34).
(4) “Satan” is the Greek satanas and is derived from the Hebrew satan which means “adversary.” It points to Satan as the opponent of God, of believers, and of all that is right and good. Satan may appear as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14), but it is only a sham of deception to further aid him in his work as the arch adversary and opponent of God. In 1 Peter 5:8 Satan is called “your adversary, the devil.” Here the word “adversary” is not satanas, but antidikos, and though similar in meaning, antidikos is more explicit. It specifically refers to “an opponent in a lawsuit.” It was used of a court scene where accusations are made. God has indicted Satan for his sin, found him guilty, and sentenced him to the lake of fire (Matt. 12:41). By the implications of Scripture, as in the titles of Satan and in the keen interest of angels in man (cf.Eph. 3:10; 1 Pet. 1:12), it appears that Satan has appealed the sentence and called God unfair, unjust, and unloving. He has impugned the character of the supreme judge. He stands as the defamer of God’s character, the accuser of believers, and our adversary in general.
(5) “Lucifer,” “Star of the Morning,” and “Son of the Dawn” (Isa. 14:12). The term “Lucifer” of the KJV is Helel which means literally “the shining one.” Ironically, it comes from the Hebrew verb halal meaning “to shine, boast, praise.” As the shining one Satan got his eyes off of God, the source and cause of his brilliance, and became proud and boastful instead of being full of praise to God. Whenever we boast, we are occupied with ourselves, but when we are full of praise to God we are occupied with Him. This name stresses Satan’s state before the fall, and the nature and cause of his fall, the sin of arrogance.
(6) “The evil one” (1 John 5:19). Here, the word “evil” is the Greek word poneros, an active noun that points to an active and malignant kind of evil. It refers to what is not only ugly and useless, but to that which is injurious and destructive. Satan, as the poneros one, is actively engaged in destruction, in causing pain, injury and death. He is like a cancer to the human race and no time in history will reveal this like the Tribulation.
(7) “The ruler of this world” (John 12:31). This description points to Satan as the unseen head and energy behind the arrangement of world affairs as they stand in total opposition to the arrangements and divine viewpoint set forth in the Word of God. This would include such things as internationalism, materialism, humanism, religionism, spiritualism (demonism), hedonism, etc.
(8) “The god of this age” (2 Cor. 4:4). This again emphasizes Satan’s rule and increased activity in the dispensation of the church which will be marked by a continual increase of apostasy and deception and by extreme moral degeneration. This title particularly associates him with blinding men to the good news of Jesus Christ.
(9) “The prince of the power of the air” (Eph. 2:2). This title is of particular importance because it points to Satan as the head of the demonic hosts (fallen angels) who operate night and day in our immediate atmosphere to fill it with satanic deception, satanic viewpoint, doubts, and temptations. The word “power” is singular and refers to the demonic forces as a corporate body that operate as one under the authority and power of Satan, their prince (Eph. 6:12). “Air” is the Greek word aer and most likely refers to the immediate atmosphere above the earth which evidently forms their base of operations and the domain of the demonic, their sphere of power, authority, activity, and influence. In other words, our atmosphere is the vehicle or medium of their evil operations and influence. This not only looks at the locality of Satan’s operations, but emblematically portrays the prevailing influence or evil atmosphere in which every individual and the world moves—a world atmosphere of demonic influence controlled by Satan.
(10) “Of the spirit that is now working” (Eph. 2:2). This is often taken as another title for Satan. When it is so understood, it is taken as an appositional phrase describing “the prince of the power,” i.e., a further description of the prince. So the prince is also the unholy spirit (1 Cor. 2:12) who apes the operations of his divine counterpart by working in the sons of disobedience in opposition to the Holy Spirit.150
Now it is true that Satan, as a fallen angel, is a spirit being, actually an unclean spirit, who works in the world to promote disobedience and unbelief in mankind, but because of the rules of Greek syntax, others believe that this is not a reference to Satan, but to an impersonal force or atmosphere Satan controls. The reason is simply this. For the phrase, “of the spirit,” to be appositional, one would expect this phrase to be in the accusative case, but it is in the genitive case. According to the principles of Greek syntax an appositional word or phrase would normally be in the same case as the noun or noun phrase it modifies, though there is the possibility for a different case by attraction to the word that precedes it. The word “prince,”arconta, is in the accusative case, but “of the spirit” is in the genitive case. So, as a genitive it describes another aspect of the prince’s (Satan’s) rule. The idea is that Satan controls unbelievers through an evil principle at work in the world. The result is a spirit of disobedience.
The last clause of verse 2, in this view, refers to the disposition, the outlook, the way of thinking and acting which one finds in the world of today. It is much like our phrase “the spirit of the age.” It is an outlook, a viewpoint, a disposition that Satan is constantly promoting. Note it is “in the sons of disobedience.” “Disobedience” is the Greek apeiqeia which means “disbelief, obstinate,” and so “disobedient.” Men are disobedient to Scripture because of a spirit of disbelief and stubbornness—they will not be persuaded by the admonitions, appeals and instructions of Scripture.
“Working” is the Greek energew, “to energize, be active, be at work.” It is in the present continuous tense. Satan is constantly at work to promote and produce his viewpoint in order to create disobedience in man. This will be at an all time high during the Tribulation. People are either being energized by the viewpoint and attitude of the world (Satan’s) which produces disobedience, or by the divine viewpoint of Scripture and the Holy Spirit which produces obedience. Notice in this regard that in Hebrews 4:12 we have energes, “active,” the noun form of the verb energhs. Then in 1 Thessalonians 2:13 Paul uses this same verb of the powerful activity of Scripture. Both of these passages emphasize the active, energizing and working power of the word of God in the lives of men.
(11) “Belial” (2 Cor. 6:15) is another name used of Satan. “Belial” is the Greek word beliar which comes from an Old Testament word meaning “worthless” or “hopeless ruin.” In 2 Corinthians 6:15 it is used as a name for Satan who is the epitome of worthlessness, hopeless ruin, and the source of all idolatry and the futile religious works of man.
(12) “Beelzebul” or “Beelzebub” or “Beelzeboul” (Mark 3:22; Matt. 12:24). There are three possible spellings of this word because of variant manuscripts and each spelling has a slightly different meaning so I have listed them all. (1) Beelzebul means “lord of the dung.” It is a name of reproach and uncleanness for Satan. (2) Beelzebub means “lord of the flies.” This has the same implication as the above. (3) Beelzeboul means the “lord of the dwelling.” This may portray Satan as the leader and head of the unclean spirits of demon possession! This best fits the context of Matthew 10:25 and 12:29 and has the best manuscript evidence behind it. Note that Matthew, Mark and Luke all define Beelzeboul as the prince of demons.
(13) “Abaddon” and “Apollyon” (Rev. 9:11). Abaddon is the Greek form and Apollyon is the Hebrew equivalent. They mean “destroyer” or “destruction.” As seen previously this name connects Satan with the demons of the Abyss (their leader) and their work of destruction on earth in the Tribulation. Primarily, however, it stresses his character and activity as the great source of destruction and ruin in the world.
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@ Vincent
Are you only capable of processing the ideas and thoughts of others, whose egos encourage them to document their own personal thoughts as being authoritative?
Who gives a rodents rear what these ‘experts’ think….?
What about YOUR own thoughts…?
Intelligent design is a case in point…
In the absence of ‘intelligent design’ for example, how can ANYONE explain how a fowl could possible have ‘evolved’… without a CLEAR starting point?
What would have evolved…? the chicken ..or egg?
It is SIMPLE, BASIC everyday things like this, that confound all the so-called ‘experts’ who write a lotta shiite on these matters.
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Bush Tea October 28, 2016 at 12:01 PM #
When will you learn…….all thoughts have a right to be considered…….by virtue of ones thinking some will be discarded and others will be given a second look.
When will you understand that humanoids are incapable of giving the final answer.
So simple….
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I try to avoid discussions on politics, race, religion and sex. Of course if I have an opinion (right or wrong) on a matter I voice it.
Like Paul on his way to Damascus my moment came when I read Laplace statements
“God is an unnecessary Hypothesis”
and what Voltaire said
“If God did not exist, man would have invented him”.
Avoid the tortuous and circular argument advanced by others. Just remember this ” And then you die”. Act to make this life a good life, with or without God.
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I have avoided interjecting my foolish belief on the discussion, but as I see this group meandering towards nowhere, I hope my contribution will help give us direction.
I believe in man. I believe that regardless of our wickedness and our faults we will find a way.
I believe in science. I believe there will come a time when man will do what we thought that only gods could do.
I believe in the future. Man is slowly beginning to grasp his potential. In the future we will discard unnecessary baggage and be our own Gods.
That is me.
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i DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE CURRENT DLP ADMINISTRATION AND IS EVEN MORE FEARFUL OF WHAT WILL FOLLOW.
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Anonymouse – TheGazer October 28, 2016 at 1:25 PM #
Not a thing wrong with your thoughts…….simple,straightforward,tangible and on point.
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Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam are humans attempts to understand God and Spirituality
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Religion is man trying to find God, aided and abetted by Satan and his demons!
Whereas Christianity in its purest and simplest form IS* a Personal RELATIONSHIP, with our Only creator, the One true God, and THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, which just about every ethnic or racial group of people over the earth have experienced, AND, the TESTIMONY anywhere you go IS* the same, that they ALL have been LIBERATED FROM FALSE religions, to a LIVING, VIBRANT, LIFE TRANSFORMING RELATIONSHIP with JESUS, God of very God, and we KNOW, that we KNOW, that HE, Almighty God, of historic divine revelation in His Word, the Bible, IS* real, and Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega is ALIVE, yes, ALIVE, because we KNOW whom we have believed, Amen and Amen!
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@Zoe
I love ya but would not try to deprogram ya
Just put ya out of ya misery
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Go forth and multiply
said God*
(*) of Hebrews Christains and Muslims
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John 17:3
3 “Now this is eternal life: that they KNOW you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”
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Why would any one want eternal life………especially with Zoe&GP around wittering in ones ear.
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Almighty God created ALL things Good. He created a perfect world, He did not create Adam to ever die; that is physically nor spiritually; and though this is not explicitly stated in His Word, the explicit implication is there recorded.
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.”
“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, ‘Of every tree of the garden you may FREELY eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL you shall NOT eat, for in the DAY that you EAT of it you SHALL SURELY DIE.” ( Genesis 2: 7, 16, 17) Emphasis added.
In the lush natural reserve that God created, were found two trees, that are the KEY to EVERYTHING that follows in ALL human history. They were the physical means God used to TRANSACT ‘spiritual’ realities. The tree of LIFE is associated with experiencing the LIFE of God, including immortality. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, represents human autonomy, that is SELF-RULE, an assumed independence FROM God in ALL areas of life.” (Spirit Filled Life Bible, p.7)
The only ancient religious historical document, that gives an divinely inspired account, not in any great detail, but sufficiently implied reference, to the FACT that Adam was created morally perfect, BUT, with FREE WILL moral agency, to CHOOSE to either OBEY his Creator and LIVE in perfect harmony with God, never to die; OR, disobey and FIRST die, SPIRITUALLY, then physically, IS* the Bible God’s Word!
History is REPLETE with the diabolical consequences of the FALL of man, confirming and corresponding WITH the Biblical account recorded therein.
Therefore, FACTS become credible FACTS when there ARE warranted to the relevant degree of certainty. The biblical facts are such warranted facts.
Logic states: That a statement is true, is one that corresponds to reality.
Again, The biblical prophetic pronouncements, to date correspond to historic reality.
The structure of justification in defending any propositional truth claim IS* COHERENCE, coherence IS our sole criteria for TRUTH!
Again, the theme and thread running throughout the Bible, have all been fulfilled coherently up to this point in time, unlike NO other ancient religious document.
The forgoing is just scratching the surface of the evidence confirming the veracity and trustworthiness of the Bible, as God’s Word.
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Zoe
Why the continous bleating……you have found something to comfort you…..good for you but your comforter is not everyones……
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Sometimes little things make you wonder.
Take for example this microcosm from which one is invited to draw some salient similarities.
There is a plantation off Highway 4A in the parish of Saint George.
It is called Brighton Farmers Mart and on Saturdays it is bedecked with Bajan (whites).
De ole man does doan go there de ole man does stick to me people and go to Eagle Hall and Fairchild and places where we niggers does congregate.
So when i out by Haggatt Hall i does drive down de highway and turn by de My Lord’s Hill exit and stop short deah and shop with my black people.
I does doan see white people deah like how I doan see black people at Farmers Mart.
While it is seemingly not too christian-like to be speaking of the ethnicity of the buyers at either venue it is somewhat informative that AT THIS CONGREGATION one is certainly finding “believers AND unbelievers”.
Yet, whereas the people at Brighton Flea market are not being run pun a Saturday, nor am I being run from Eagle Hall pun a Saturday of Sunday morning (barring dem crazy mini bus driers who does try to scare de ole man wid dem horn and lik me down with the bus,) here it is a thing most movingly strange that many have congregated to run the others off!!
If only for this reason, one is led to believe that the devil hates to see a believer on his knees and therefore send his imps to run interference for him, IN GREAT NUMBERS heheheheheheheh confirming that GOD IS REAL
Whu wunna think??
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Piece
Chuckle……Wunnah believers does call me all sortsa names and when ah trying tuh do sum reasoning wid wunnah,yuh does say ah running interference fuh somebody call de devil….yuh mean de calypsonian?
yuh juss cyan win tal,tal……wuhloss
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Vincent Haynes October 29, 2016 at 9:08 AM #
Why would any one want eternal life………especially with Zoe&GP around wittering in ones ear.
Haynes, your rejection of God’s offer of Eternal Life, assures you then, eternal damnation, in conscious everlasting misery. BTW Haynes, there is no such activity as Zoe or GP or anyone else wittering anything in ones ears in God Kingdom of eternal life!
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Zoe October 28, 2016 at 5:33 PM #
Religion is man trying to find God, aided and abetted by Satan and his demons!
is that so? is that a” zoeism”? or are you correct in your subliminal way of speech by admitting that man created both religion and God
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I am yet to find anyone who can tell me where god was during the 400 years that blacks were enslaved and treated worse than dogs. I would also like them to explain what blacks did to this god of theirs. You see, I think this god is a white man. I am yet to see, today, what god is doing for those unarmed black men shot down like dogs by white policemen in the USA.
When someone holds god by the hand and bring him to me, I will do two things…..give him a good knee to the groin, then spin him around and deliver a swift kiss to the ass.
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bajans October 29, 2016 at 9:10 PM #
“I am yet to find anyone who can tell me where god was during the 400 years that blacks were enslaved and treated worse than dogs.”
The SAME place He was when the Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians for 400 years!
” I would also like them to explain what blacks did to this god of theirs. You see, I think this god is a white man.”
This SAME God allowed WHITE Popes and Priests to KILL and slaughter over 20 MILLION other WHITES during the Spanish Inquisition!
“I am yet to see, today, what god is doing for those unarmed black men shot down like dogs by white policemen in the USA.”
What about the Blacks killings Blacks, 91 % of ALL murdered Black Americans, are Killed bu other Black Americans!
The TRUTH isn’t Racists, Its Just THE TRUTH!
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Zoe as a man of Christain teachings and principles You should have found the answer to bajan questions in the bible which is told in Genesis after man disobeyed God
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LOL @ AC
Since when did you become a guidance officer? Zoe is attempting to answer the question by explaining that God is an equal opportunity butcher…. He probably does not grasp the question…
Look Bajans!
God is not some umpire or referee in the sky …whose role is to make you feel that life is ‘fair and just’. Nor is it of ANY import, what YOU think about any shit….. except to your own fleeting existence.
The FACT is that, in the grand scheme of things, you, and the rest of “mankind” are about as meaningful as the average sheep on some farm somewhere….. a piece of damn meat. A small, fleeting experience of consciousness in the vast expanse of time…
See if you can now put in perspective your silly last paragraph….
Bushie has previously used Lowdown Hoad’s goat farm to illustrate the project called “life on earth”…. where a grand farmer creates a farm project with the aim of producing a special breed of animal. He creates the farm; prepares the environment; and initiates the stock….
Let us say that the aim is to evolve ‘high-milk’ goats.
Who is to question the farmer’s aim? …..one of the goats named ‘Bajans’…?
He sets up different herds in different fields, under various environments ..and set about monitoring progress….
What do you think any SENSIBLE farmer would do with a bunch of goats who decide for themselves there “they ain’t giving no damn milk to no damn farmer” – not butcher their asses and make goat stew?
…and how about the field of favourite goats who, while good producers of milk, keep hiding from the milking machine and resisting giving up the milk….. ? best to convert them into steaks …ain’t it?
…and when some dangerous bacteria or practise (like bulling) infects another herd, what will you do Mr. Farmer? …wait till it destroys your WHOLE project? …or rain down some bullets in their asses – or in this case, brimstone and fire…?
It is always funny to hear ‘goats’ talking shiite about what their farmer should, and should not be doing, but put into its proper perspective, it is not difficult to ascribe the appropriate value to such shiite-talk…
Those ‘Israelites’ and their more modern black descendants both suffered slavery in attempts by the grand farmer to get them to redirect their ways to match his project objectives. They were not just completely stewed because they are ‘favourites’…. BUT not just ‘favourites’… WE ARE A BUNCH OF JACKASSES TOO…
Imagine just 60 years out of the second 400 years of slavery and we are headed in that direction again ….because we REFUSE to reject albino-centric motivations, which lead to gross brass bowlery….
Once…warned with 40 years
Twice….warned with 400 years
Third time ….goat stew.
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@Bushie
Sooo the ability to choose (free will) this is where it lands us?
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Bushie:
The thing you got right is the refusal of man to see, admire and appreciate what GOD’s intentions are towards him. The use of the the farm metaphor I would take with some of the rest of your tom foolery. Finally, you have wonderfully made the case for why the Christ had to come to restore the paths that have been neglected by man. Simply put some one needed to safe us from ourselves; our carnality can not and would never suffice to the do the job.
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God /s wrath against Sin Romans 1
…. 28Furthermore, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, He gave them up to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and hatred. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips,…
Thessolians 2
For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie,
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Bush Tea October 30, 2016 at 7:19 AM #
Chuckle…..beyond a shadow of doubt you must be imbibing from those mythical burning bushes of Moses.
My apologies for omitting your homophobia in my last analysis.
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@ Bushie
Your comment at 7:19
What more can we say ’bout you
How delightful. LOL
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This is a free world and everyone has theories on our being here…….all should be heard…..none should be believed as we will never know.
13 Year Old Physicist’s New Theory on God
http://upliftconnect.com/13-year-old-physicist/
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@ David
What ability to choose?
What ability does a goat have to choose on Hoad’s farm?
…which field he is placed in?
…what Hoad intends for his farm?
…what is the right requirement in terms of milk output?
…what the rules are re; feeding time; watering times; grazing times …etc?
…which goat may be suitable for sunday lunch….and which may become house pet?
Such are the prerogatives of Lowdown….
The damn goat gets to choose whether he will conform to Hoad’s rules, and live, …or follow the farm ‘dompey’ and die….
Some of us mind the jackasses and think that we are important enough to get to make up the farm rules…. The jackass can afford to do shiite – nobody eats jackass stew…
@ Lemuel
Nobody uses the analogy of the shepherd and his sheep more than does the bible. …”I am the good shepherd”, it says,”…and YOU are the sheep of my pasture…”
If you want to know what is SPECIAL about the actual project ‘Life on Earth’, then Bushie is happy to share that …. it is also why Christ had to come – not to ‘save us from ourselves’ per se, …but to provide a WAY through which we can OPT to realise the Farmers goal….
@ Vincent
You are the most pathetic of all goats….
You are so confused by the variety of theories and beliefs out there among the flock, that you have decided ti burn down the whole damn forest…
You REFUSE to attempt to think for yourself ….and continue to run to ‘google’ and be confused by the plethora of idiotic ‘goat-theories’ which abound….
Good luck with that…
@ Pacha
You are the diametric opposite to Vincent. You are much too intelligent for your own good.
You understand many things that are going on on the farm… you recognise the many inconsistencies and the confusion among the various herds…. but you refuse to accept that there is a HIGHER LEVEL of intelligence at the FARMHOUSE, with overriding rules and regulations that trumps all the best intentions of the goats.
There can be no level of genius at goat level – no matter how outstanding, that can trump that of the farmer.
True WISDOM is to know and understand the will and intent of the farmer… and that can only be had FROM the farmer himself….
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“For the wages (results) of SIN, is death (seperation from God), but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked!
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Bush Tea October 30, 2016 at 8:47 AM #
Chuckle…..poor you…..spinning top in mud as usual.
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But Zoe you can do better than those few verses , Why not use the ten commandments for better leverage and there significance to Gods Law and order for man
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@ Bushie
”True WISDOM is to know and understand the will and intent of the farmer… and that can only be had FROM the farmer himself….”
Surely your detractors, within your own acili, will take issue with this determination. They will rejoin by saying that it is impossible for ‘goats’ to contemplate will and intent of the ‘farmer’. But that is an argument internal to Christendom.
Externally, we are totally and completely opposed to Christianity as part and parcel of the ‘albino-centrix’ reality. And will always so be. However, we have stated before that we have more than a modicum of respect for your way of explaining how you see your spirituality.
It certainly desires a listening to, unlike people like Zoe and GP, the regular Christian idiots, as 99% are.
Notwithstanding, our hard wired stances cannot be made to bow to you presentations as anything more than the exception to the rule. The rule of idiots
In in end you still have much in common with the mass of Christians whereas we are prepared for the destruction of the whole shebang. And are, in the final analysis, willing to include you as well, to make sure that total elimination is achieved.
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Jesus the True Shepherd.
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does NOT enter the sheepfold by the DOOR, but climbs up some other way, the same is a THIEF and ROBBER.” Ya hear that Bush Tea!
“But he who enters by the DOOR IS* the SHEPHERD of the sheep.”
“To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep HEAR His Voice; and He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.”
“And when He brings out His own sheep, He goes before them; and the sheep FOLLOW HIM, for they KNOW His voice.”
“Yet they will by NO means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of a stranger.”
“Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.” (John 10: 1-6) Emphasis added.
Jesus the Good Shepherd
“Then Jesus said to them again, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, I AM the DOOR of the sheep.”
“All who ever came before Me are THIEVES and ROBBERS, but the sheep did NOT hear them.”
“I AM THE DOOR. If anyone enters by Me, he will be Saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.”
“The THIEF does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have 7-10)that they may have life, and that they may have it more ABUNDANTLY.” (vv. 7-10).
abundantly. ‘perissos’ Superabundance, excessive, overflowing, surplus, profuse, extraordinary, above the ordinary, more than sufficient.
None of the above that Jesus spoke and explained has anything whatsoever to do with the utter nonsense that Bush Tea wrote, in truth and fact BUSH TEA represents those classified by Jesus as “…a THIEF and a ROBBER.” (v.1b)
Bush Tea you are a THIEF and a ROBBER. A blatant IMPOSTER!
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@ Bajans
I was concerned with your pronouncement regarding the 400 year “Big Bang” begin point.
Imagine if de ole man was to append the message to the Stoopid Cartoon campaign a message that ascribed genesis to all the nations ills to one specific party.
Slavery has been with us for thousands of years and no specific race is exempt from its ignominy.
This is much like saying that “the rain which we so desperately need to address our drought, should only be piped to the taps of the deserving since, if de ole man followeth your reasoning, He who is in Charge of All things, should work out a distribution plan that rewards only this group.”
Suppose one was to say that It is just a fact of sentience that you are in a negro shell then, equally so, if you had been born a sunni or a KKK follower then your chant would be somewhat different today wouldn’t it?
Se how it is that , at the end of the day’ what we see is that the exhortation of “do unto others as ye would have them do unto you” is both UNIVERSAL, AMORPHOUS and TIMELESS?
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ZOE
THIS U TUBE SERMON IS FOR YOU
THIS MAN IS SOUND AND SOLID
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LOL @ Pacha
And are, in the final analysis, willing to include you as well, to make sure that total elimination is achieved.
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Boss, you only reinforce Bushie’s hypothesis that you are gifted to be able to rationalise at a very high level. The farm is indeed worthy of immediate destruction.
Unfortunately, you are ABSOLUTELY correct in your prescription that “is impossible for ‘goats’ to contemplate will and intent of the ‘farmer’.”
IT IS TRULY IMPOSSIBLE…..
This is why Vincent is so frustrated. It is why GP and Zoe sound like idiots trying to explain their faith through exegeses; …and it is why, with all your analytical brain-power, where you are actually able to see the value of Bushie’s posit, IT IS STILL NOT POSSIBLE for you to contemplate the mind of the Farmer.
Only by having the MIND of the farmer, somehow implanted into your own ‘goat-mind’, does it become possible to begin to grasp the will, intent…and even the scope of the Farmer, of the farm plan, and of what (therefore) constitutes WISDOM.
For those who claim to believe what the Bible says, this is why Jesus promised to send a ‘comforter’ to empower the minds of his disciples. It does not take a genius to compare their knowledge and wisdom before and after being endowed with this liberating ‘spirit’….
@ Zoe /GP
Why do you insist in making a fool of yourself? There is no logic whatsoever..to your 10.36 post.
Surely you have deduced by now that calling Bushie names like “robber, seed picker, Satan” and such have no meaning beyond childish -sounding tantrums. All you have done is to provide multiple references to SUPPORT Bushie’s allegorical use of the Farmer and his herds to explain the questions raised by Bajans….
Had YOU done that instead of talking shiite @ 4.01AM, then Bushie would have found something else to do…..but as Pacha so well explained, God’s will CANNOT be understood or rationalised by exegeses….. it is ONLY by being imbibed with the MIND(spirit) of God himself that this is possible… and when THAT happens, the INEVITABLE tell-tale signs of certain ‘fruit’ such as LOVE, PATIENCE, long-suffering, PEACE… become evident…
Such fruit that are completely foreign to your BU persona(s)……
Should you not take CAREFUL stock…?
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Good Sunday Morning to ye all. I hope you are all either in or going to church to pray to your invisible god. To read from your book of legends, myths and fairy tales. Don’t fret yourselves about this non-believer.
Zoe, there is absolutely no proof that what you call Jews (there were none in those days only Hebrews) were ever enslaved in Egypt. If they were, why would your bible tell you that Joseph and Mary took their baby down to Egypt for safety.
Piece, the slaves you speak of were never like the black slaves, nor traded on the scale of the blacks. You are repeating what the white man wrote to justify his wrongs. I don’t use the word negro, I find it derogatory.
Bye all.
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It was stated by your ZOE: “God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked!”
The question that must be asked; rhetorically, because we can get no direct response: Is God capable of “feelings” as we know it? I would posit not, so there is no need to worry about anything at all, because he does not get pleasure in the foibles of man, he punishes the godly and ungodly, and according to man’s scriptures he decides on the worst possible punishments : evidence of a spiteful, unforgiving, and mean spirited attitude, condemnation to everlasting destruction in a pit of fire. What did the people of Ai do to him when Joshua destroyed (killed) every man woman and child (and the cattle too) in his conquering of that city? According to Joshua, God told him to doit. I leave it to you to determine the veracity of his words.
It makes no sense to discuss, argue or even converse with Zoe GP and their ilk.
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@Bush Tea, Your are a GOAT, you are NOT of the sheepfold of Jesus, you could never be one of His sheep, that hear His voice and follow Him, none of His sheep, would ever declare as YOU, BUSH TEA have done right here on BU, “I WILL BE GOD…”
You BUSH TEA, are of your FATHER, the Devil. Go and join Pachamama, and complete your LOSTNESS with him and his clan in utter spiritual DARKNESS!
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Jesus the True Shepherd.
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does NOT enter the sheepfold by the DOOR, but climbs up some other way, the same is a THIEF and ROBBER.” Ya hear that Bush Tea!
You BUSH TEA, are a THIEF and ROBBER, these are Jesus WORDS Bush Tea, not mine!
You are NOT a disciple of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! And you KNOW that too!
You cherry-pick from God’s Word, what suits you to add to your ‘SPIRITIST’ worldview, cannot work! NEVER will!
You are a GOAT, how will Jesus deal with Goats on judgement day Bush Tea, lets hear HIM?
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
“All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his SHEEP from the GOATS.”
“And He will set the SHEEP on His right hand, but the GOATS on the left.”
“Then the King will say to those on His right hand, (His sheep)’Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.”
“Then He will also say to those on the left hand (Goats) Depart from Me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the DEVIL and his angels.” And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. ” ( Matthew 25: 32-34;41,46) Emphasis added.
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When all is said and done the God of the Bible has many or all of the same attributes as man. In fact the words that Zoe quotes from the bible ” God takes no pleasure in punishing the wicked /disobedient/ are words that most parents have said in punishing their children.To understand the origins of God man should be honest and look within themselves and would find a defining human link to the God creation with similar traits and attributes those closely connected to man and implanted into the God of the Bible.
The fact being that man refuses to be honest and rather be confrontational when dealing with a God existence would blind man from seeking and pursuing the truth about God which is a creation of man and yet a creator of all things visible or invisible that lives within or being
In others words we cannot see an immoral spirit in what ever way we define it to be but we all know that it is there some where living in our being
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@Zoe
“Judge not, lest you be judged”
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@ David
Zoe has no fear of being judged… he done know that his ass is grass… 🙂
Do you REALLY think Zoe is dumb enough to not understand that he can measure his position by the FRUIT that he bears…? The man is a stranger to LOVE….
Wuh even AC has been able to guide him thusly….
@ Alvin
Your position is understandable. (after all you are…..)
Speak to any GOOD farmer, and try to gain his perspective on dealing with his animals. Find out how they deal with swine flu, foot & mouth, and other contagious diseases…..
Then ask someone to explain the analogy for you….
@ AC
When all is said and done the God of the Bible has many or all of the same attributes as man.
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Excellent observation, …except it is the OTHER way around. Man was created in the IMAGE of God…. and for a VERY SPECIFIC reason too….
Still trying to figure out the rest of what you said…. LOL ha ha ha
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Bush Tea
Man was created in the image of God …. Who taught you those words …Oh i forget you read them some where in the Bible except who wrote the Bible ,,Man …oh i also forget that the Holy spirit gave revealation….. To who? can.t hear YOU ….To Who MAN…. Where does the HOLY SPIRIT LIVE ….IN Man…..is Man pure and with out errorNO..
Then How does one put great confidence in man to believe all that is said and written in the BIBLE when Man wrote the Bible….i do not know .Then what do you know ?
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Bush Tea October 30, 2016 at 3:44 PM #
Chuckle…..and an AC shall lead them……..this AC shotting and even Alvin on the ball.
BT….yuh out tuh pasture go and burn some more bush like your moses…….yuh juss ain dere today.
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@David, “Judge not , that you be not judged” (Matt: 7:1) Must be understood in its proper context, and to whom was Jesus speaking, to those who judged censoriously, while not looking at their own lives, typical of the Pharisees and Sadducees!
This command refers to rash, censorious, and unjust judgment. See Romans 2:1. Luke 6:37 explains it in the sense of “condemning.” Christ does not condemn judging as a magistrate, for that, when according to justice, is lawful and necessary. Nor does he condemn our “forming an opinion” of the conduct of others, for it is impossible “not” to form an opinion of conduct that we know to be evil, the customs of the scribes and Pharisees.
Bush Tea, is not a Christian, he uses the Bible when it suits him, always taking text out of context, for the purpose of his ‘Spiritualism’ in this regard I can ‘judge’ him, because he is always erroneously dividing God’s Word!
This has nothing to do with not loving.
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But you know what the concept of God is not bad although beyond the reality of mankind imagination . Such a concept has done well enough to keep most of mankind on the straight and narrow even atheist would have to concede that whatever morals they hold on to as a principle were most founded on judeau christain belifs taught in in their formative years
Hard to imagine GP living without those theories and the God doctrines if one think he is a tyrrant now just imagine the other alternative
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Zoe,
Go to Amazon and order and read a copy of my book “Yeshua. A.K.A. Jesus the Nazarene. It will enlighten you.
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Zoe,
Check out the references .
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Having discern that the problems of Barbados are intractable and insoluble,the citizens of BU turned to their Gods.
Can you hear their cry “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”
ad the response
“Mene, mene, tekel upharsin.”
Thou has been weighed and found wanting.
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Not bad for a nonbeliever
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@ Anonymous Gazer ,,it must be a terrible feeling having been left out and having nothing to say. so here you come with your prognosis of the political landscape.
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You are right.. religion and race are on my ‘do not do list’. A little politics, now and then. You will be having the same convo about religion 30 years from now
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@Anonymous and thirty years from now if God so bless to give you .You would reapeating the same words
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Lots of big words; lot of lofty thoughts; quote from here and there and in the end. ce n;est rien…
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Is that the ac that I like? 🙂
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Some topics are DOA. Makes me a simple and boring guy,…
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Going to call it a night…becoming GPish…
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Alvin Cummins October 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM #
Zoe,
Go to Amazon and order and read a copy of my book “Yeshua. A.K.A. Jesus the Nazarene. It will enlighten you.
Not a chance Alvin, can darkness inform LIGHT, about LIGHT!! When DARKNESS is* the absence of LIGHT!
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Suppose one was to enquire…
If there was a coven of witches and warlocks at Sandy Lane Woods would you fellows go?
Then why flock to the place where “the other lot who are opposed to those covens” would seek to congregate virtually?”
It does indeed seem strange that a fellow who does not pitch is at the marble convention saying how terrible marbles have been for (his?) carpal tunnel syndrome
Heheheheheheheh
Yesterday I was reviewing the convening of the Council(s) at Nice and the various canons that were excluded from the Holy Bible
De Ole man ent finish reading them yet in fact I only just got through 1 and a half of them.
The posit of the author is that one has the choice of seeing what was left out, seeing what is there and being left with a choice of conviction, irrespective of the variances and seeming non-congruence.
I, for one, see that it is faith and belief, which some will ascribe to indoctrination and brainwashing and another more radical group will call heresy and blasphemy.
After a while of earnest engaging one starts to realise that even that is flawed and that its outcome is definitively predictible.
Some will agree, some will definitively disagree, some will agree to disagree and some will not give one flying leap either which way.
And that is the way with all matter in all nature regardless of the discipline.
This is simply a personal journey that neither kin nor kith can or will make for us.
If tomorrow I come down with cancer of the prostate of pancreas, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT DISCIPLE DOCTOR THE BISHOP SENATOR THE HONOURABLE DURANT or the Baird woman or any of them or you say, that voyage to the conclusion of where my passage leads me IS NOT LED BY ANY OTHER MAN/WOMAN.
If one is sentient of GOD, or other, it is really what goes on between our two ears that is, in the words of the Doufus George Bush “the Decider”.
Once you come to that realization all else fades rather pales into insignificance.
“Jesus bids us shine with a pure clear light.
Like a little candle burning in the night,
In this world of darkness, so we must shine,
You in your small corner and I in mine…”
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Piece
Skippah…..Ah sorry….Ah did thought that all o we is one pun here an allowed to pontificate to our hearts content on all subjects weder we ofay pun dem or not…..ah gine leff yuh to the rest o’yuh clique…..Ah gine tell you dat du truff bout Nice shud set yuh free…..ah gine gree wid yuh pun yuh penultimate sentence tuh…
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