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It should be pellucid by now that barring a tectonic disclosure or other intervention Hillary Rodham Clinton (HRC) will win the USA presidential elections. However, she will immediately come under a massive series of investigations aimed at giving the defeated Republicans, provided they can retain the House of Representatives, a raison detre. Her presidency will provide the conditions for the RNC not to lose its status as a national party, as the legacy of Trumpism has placed it in grave danger so to.

In this piece we will rely, heavily, on the works of Charles Ortel. Ortel is best known for his analytical work, as a citizen, which brought down General Electric (GE) for doctoring financial results; Dadi Cheri a Haitian journalist of newsjunki.org and Utrice Lead, a Trinidadian-American from the Progressive Radio Network (PRN).

For over 20 years a basket of public foundations run by Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Chelsea Clinton have served as entities for the illegal raising, laundering, commingling and mishandling of over 100 billion dollars. Much of this money coming from dictators and other characters presumably in exchange for favours, quid pro quo, pay to play schemes. The majority from average citizens around the world.

Readers unaware should know that there are very strict rules governing the operations of public charities in the world, even if there is an absence of formal global regulation. Public foundations are required by law to appoint independent trustees; cross-file financial statements with multiple jurisdictions; must be registered variously, should they want to operate in dozens of countries or states like the Clintons; money raised from the public must be deployed specifically for the reason stated. And the foundation’s public filings must so show, amongst others.

These laws are some of the strictest in the world. The legal infrastructure is excessively onerous in order to avoid oodles of tax free money going into the hands of disreputable actors. Money collected from unsuspecting publics, serving as a honey pot for the world’s leading charity fraud criminals.

In the case of the Clinton Foundation/s, an entity purportedly started to build and run a presidential library it has now morphed into a massive trans-national organization, operating tax free internationally and as the source of billions of dollars which we will contend has been an incubator for ‘high crimes and misdemeanour’ by HRC.

In addition to the spider web of entities controlled by the Clintons there is a wider level of intrigue. The Clintons have a cartel of alliances with other private/public foundations; drug companies manufacturing and selling vaccines and pharmaceutical of poor quality, the Red Cross, the UN which appointed Bill Clinton as ambassador to Haiti thereby immunizing him from prosecution there; access to governments around the world with a Clinton State Department as hammer, Bill as anvil, to force deals through for their personal interests.

This scheme is trans-presidential. The Bushes aided and abetted the Clintons and now the Obamas are waiting in the wing to cash in on the action. If it determined that both parties are too compromised all bets are off. No investigations in the House of Representatives. No trial of HRC in the Senate.

The preliminary procedures are already in the system. Marsha Blackburn, the representative from the 7th congressional district of Tennessee in the House of Representatives has already started a probe. Eric Schneidermann, the AG of New York, a Clinton acolyte, has already brought a case in which a Clinton Foundation founding personage and Virginia governor, Terry McAuliffe, has been made to appear.

After the 2010 Haiti earthquake the international community, ordinary people like us, donated 14.3 billion for reconstruction. With the help of the UN, the Clinton Foundation was given total control of these monies. Six years later only 2% of the money has been made available to the Haitian people and government. There are fears that this foundation money is being used in HRC’s presidential campaign.

In Haiti the Clintons are known to have more power that the government and while there are many rumours about where the reconstruction money is, or went, little has changed on the ground, unbelievable!

This is the kind of insidious relationships the Clintons have long had with Haiti. It was Bill Clinton who ran Aristide out of Haiti in the early 1990’s.

This same Bill Clinton forced the Haitian people to stop planting rice and forced them to import it from Arkansas, a state for which he is a former governor. The brother of HRC was able to secure rights to all of Haiti’s gold resources. Nothing could happen in Haiti unless the Clintons agreed.

This is how it has been even before there was a Black man in the White House. Obama, himself, aided the Clintons with massive capital accumulation. These are people who in 2000 were broke and now there are said to have personal wealth in the hundreds of millions while controlling billions in Clinton Foundations funds. The election of HCA could serve to further consolidate this position and offer a degree of immunization for all previous crimes, they hope.

Unless, somebody has cause to walk into the White House and say ‘Madam President there is a cancer on the Presidency”. The Clintons are betting that these crimes can be gotten away with, we doubt. They aim is to enrich themselves under the protection of law and hand billion to a single child, Chelsea Clinton and her heirs.

In the publicly available information on the Clinton Foundations we see highly questionable transfers between and amongst entities. The Clinton Foundations making transfers between themselves and other private foundations making transfers to the Clintons and vice versa. These to us, appear to be attempts at misleading the IRS and creating opportunities for diversion. They seem to be false transactions bordering on the extremes of illegality.

We are uncertain whether the American imperium is able to digest another impeachment. Absent that determination, we judge that there is an abundance of evidence, not proof, that serious breaches of charity law, exceeding the level for which Bill Clinton and Richard ‘Dick’ Nixon were impeached. In these circumstances, many people will be going to jail as Trump suggests but we hardly think Hillary Rodham Clinton will be on that list.


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719 responses to “HRC Will Win – But Has to Fight to Avoid Impeachment”


  1. ac October 21, 2016 at 5:56 PM #
    no body was more crooked than President Richard Nixon a republican if The right wingers have the evidence to convict former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton take it to the justice department,
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And yet, Nixon allegedly had evidence that Kennedy had stolen the election and did nothing.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2000/10/was_nixon_robbed.html

    Here is the difference this time around!!!

    Both Nixon and Kennedy were career politicians.

    Nixon and his party held back and his turn came later!!!

    Trump makes no pretensions of being a politician!!!

    Given a choice of holding back or going for the jugular he will choose the jugular!!

    All those niceties of one deferring to another according to party negotiations are through the window!!!

    That’s why everybody is scared of Trump, win or lose and that’s why he has a good chance of winning ….. people know it!!!

    Check this extract!!!

    “You gotta swallow this one,” says a Republican hack in Oliver Stone’s Nixon, referring to the 1960 election, in which John F. Kennedy prevailed. “They stole it fair and square.”

    That Richard Nixon was cheated out of the presidency in 1960 has become almost an accepted fact. You’ve probably heard the allegations: Kennedy’s operatives fixed the tallies in Texas and Illinois, giving him those states’ 51 electoral votes and a majority in the Electoral College. Fearing that to question the results would harm the country, Nixon checked his pride and declined to mount a challenge.

    The story is rich in irony: The much-hated Nixon, later driven from the presidency for cheating in an election, puts country before personal gain. The beloved Kennedy, waltzing through life, pulls off the political crime of the century. Nixon’s defenders like the story because it diminishes Watergate. His detractors like it since it allows them to appear less than knee-jerk—magnanimously crediting Nixon with noble behavior while eluding charges of Kennedy worship.”

    ………and by the way, Nixon was a Quaker!!


  2. Georgie Porgie

    You’re the biggest moron on this blog because you call yourself an educated man and can’t even control you temper. It that the sign of true intelligence GP?


  3. Georgie Porgie

    You’re the typical douchebag with a bad disposition, like your drinking buddy the open-mouth imbecile Donald Trump.


  4. @Dee Word

    Actually the question is redirected at you.

    The Bush Gore situation gives credence to Trump’s point. Are you saying that because Gore and the other players decided to move on that the irregularity of the hanging chads doesn’t tell a story?

  5. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Nixon was crook through and through.

    Who can forget the days of hanging chads and pregnant chads…lol

  6. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @John, you have taken over MB’s as the town crier for right wing sweet sounding rhetoric, I see. LOLL. This palaver of Nixon and Kennedy is sweet but misses a few interesting ingredients. There was ‘fraud’ done n Texas, Illinois and a few other spots it was reported but according to one historian who studied the matter carefully he said that it was a ‘wash’. He asserted that the cemeteries of resurrected voters who marked their eternal X were not enough to push Kennedy over the top. So let’s be clear on the historical reference.

    Trump is clearly a politician when defined as: a person experienced in the art or science of government, or a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons. He freely admits that he has always been involved in consorting and financing politicians to get from them what he wants re his business operations. If that is not the art and science of a ‘politician’ then what is???

    @David, yes the Bush Gore situation gives credence to Trump’s point but it also does for EVERY election.

    As the old dictum goes: all politics is local. That is, you take nothing for granted and ensure that your poll agents see that every ballot is counted accurately, electronic systems are not compromised and that generally there is no ‘funny business’.

    Trump is blowing hot air about wide-spread election rigging. That’s not to be conflated with a few hundred badly perforated ballot papers which had a nation in suspense and on tenterhooks.

    Absolutely nothing wrong demanding a recount if the vote counts falls with a range of hundreds or taking the matter to court if there are clear discrepancies. But this candidate is dong his excellent version of hide and seek alternate reality. He shouts rigging to deflect from what is the most outrageous foreign intrusion in an election since…well since the US were large and in charge intruding in South American politics. Consider….

    Since Donald Trump became the GOP nominee Russia, it is reported, has been broadcasting his bona-fides on their ‘Kremlin TV’. That is the Putin News Service TV …nothing there unless he says so. All Trump’s policies like support for the Crimea annexation and reducing the US/NATO alliance are boldly acclaimed.

    They excoriate Clinton. And push the scenario that she will initiate a war with Russia. Some reports claim that they are building nuclear bunkers for folks in the capital.

    Now Mr Blogmaster I recall this type of ‘brinkmanship’ or foolhardiness from eons ago but when in recent times did something like this happen???

    And which one of the Wikileaks hacks went after Trump’s taxes or some other potentially damaging data? A bit one-sided methinks so far.

    Heh, if a new email tells us that Clinton had to wash one of her pants-suits in Huma’s washing machine to remove tell-tale spots then so be it; den folks ‘dun wid her’…

    But when we start talking about ‘RIGGING’ elections we still need to be clear minded until that happens. Who is really effing up the elections. Are we sure it’s not Mr Trump!

    We have been warned to beware of electronic interference so the Feds must be in a tizzy with this take-down test effected today.

    And understand that the Russkies ACTUALLY asked to be allowed as election poll visitors too. Oh Lawd. Vladimir Putin has some very large cajones, doesn’t he!

    This is gong to be WILD ride to Nov 8th.


  7. Ever since Nixon was forced to resign the presidency the Republican party has been on a feeding frenzy to return a similiar favour to every Democractic President that has graced the Oval offices .
    The Republican agendas have been clear ever since then with plenty smoking guns and conspiracy theories all tailored made to convince a public who rely on spin doctors and sound bites of the tabloid making is streamlined for intersting reading across social media and main stream media
    Therfore these salicious or malicious attacks on Sectetary of State Hilary Clinton for the most part will remain unproven because of no solid evidence which the republican party can provide
    Now here in 2016 just as Republican president Richard Nixon allowed his thugs to break into the offices of the DNC what we are again witnessing is a similiar repeat by high tech action by the Russian govt breaking and stealing information from the Clinton emails and the DNC the sad part that the Republican Party has not condemned such actions but has given cover to such covert action along with DT who seems not to understand the negative ramifications following but have cling to tasteless comfort of dissociation while alligining himself and availing himself to the use of the information provide through theft and possibly forgery which has not been authenticated
    Here again we have a Republican Presidential candidate Donald Trump candidate whose integrity can be classified as those of Richard Nixon who had a reason to win at all cause and found one.


  8. I never really care for Mrs. Clinton and I do believe that if she should win which by all indications she stands a good chance of do given her position with Women, Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, and a certain segment of the White male electorate that is will be business as usually.

    I do believe deep down within my gut that Mrs.Clinton’s desire for the office of the presidency has little to do with her campaign platform pledge of improving the lives of the middle-class and poor, and as she claims force the wealthy to pay more in taxes, but more to do with her desire for power.

    Trump, on the other hand, had he not embacked on his racist and sexist campaign, made some very valid points regarding the North American Free Trade Agree (NAFTA )which has virtually destroyed manufacturing industry in America. So Trump’s campaign pledge of “Making America Great Again” is emotionally felt and does resonate with the average Americans averag who is fed up with watching his/her being outsourced to China and India in the name of cheap labour because the big corporations supported by the GOP, do not want to pay the American worker a livable wage.

    And though Trump stands as the leader of Republican Party, in the mind of the suffering American, who is Fed Up with Washington, Trump represents a paradigmatic shift in the way in which business is done in Washington.

    And as a naturalized American citizen, I could relate to that had he not engaged in sexist and racist demagoguery, and had been better schooled in the political affairs. In other words, had Trump been Jeb Bush preaching the same message devoid of the sexist and racist agenda, I would have probably voted for him over Hillary Clinton.


  9. @Dee Word

    These emails leaked will continue to make things interesting, if we want to be fair.


  10. @ David

    Fair?

    Trump is right in some ways, the system is rigged.

    In recent decades it has been the Republicans, mainly, who have been ceaselessly gerrymandering ‘constituencies’ or districts.

    But the rigging doesn’t stop there it repletes the whole system

    At the inners, you also have agreement between the Republicans and Democrats to acquiesce with corruption of ‘democracy’, thereby effectively dis-empowering the people.

    While all of this is true Trump and his alt-Right have a limited interest in this matter.


  11. @Pacha

    It is interesting the so-called uneducated White male continues to support Trump,

    The system as we call it is designed to alienate the vulnerable. We saw it with the Brexit vote.

    The powers that be needs to make an adjustment. It will not happen will it.


  12. YOU DONT HAVE TO BE EDUCATED TO KNOW THAT OBAMA DO SHITE IN THE LAST 8 YEARS
    YOU DONT HAVE TO BE EDUCATED TO KNOW THAT OBAMA CARE PUT YOU OUT OF WORK/CAUSE YOU TO GET LAID OFF
    YOU DONT HAVE TO BE EDUCATED TO KNOW THAT OBAMA CARE HAS CAUSED THERE TO BE FEW JOBS AND THOSE JOBS ARE POORLY PAID

    YOU DONT HAVE TO BE EDUCATED TO KNOW THAT IF YA LET NUFF PEOPLE COME INTO YOUR COUNTRY THAT EVEN THE LOWEST PAID JOBS WILL DISAPEAR AS THE IMMIGRANTS WORK FOR LESS

    WHAT IS AMAZING IS THAT THE SO CALLED EDUCATED WOULD SUPPORT A BIG NASTY LIAR WHO IS KNOWN TO BE A LIAR WHO LIED TO CONGRESS AND THE FBI AND HAS NOT BEEN IMPRISONED
    WHO SHOULD THE SO CALLED UNEDUCATED SUPPORT?

    DO THE UNEDUCATED IN BARBADOS COME IN THE BU RUM SHOP FOR DAILY DRIVEL?


  13. @David

    We see it on BU as well

    Where White working class people feel vulnerable

    and therefore express political dissatisfaction in ways

    which appear, on the surface rational, but underneath

    a racist bedrock is easily exposed.

    And this is happening throughout the Western world

    as White domination is collapsing everywhere.

    White people will be nothing if not in control of the world, they think.


  14. NORTH WRITES

    The hypocrisy of the media is enormous. The adulterers in the White House go a long way back. Harding’s reputation collapsed posthumously because of Nan Briton’s book, The President’s Daughter. (DNA tests in 2015 verified it.) FDR got his daughter to pimp for him with Lucy Mercer the second time around. Kennedy had literal withdrawal symptoms — headaches — when his access to bimbos was restricted when Jackie was around. The press knew about Fiddle and Faddle. It was covered up. Johnson was insatiable. But it was kept quiet.

    Then came chaste men: Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and (so the story goes) Bush.

    But ever since Gary Hart’s escapades on Monkey Business, the media have stopped covering up. Scandals sell papers. Then came Clinton’s bimbo eruptions. Newsweek spiked the Monica Lewinsy story, but Drudge blew the whistle. That made him.

    These days, there is no place to hide. Yet we are still assured of this by liberals: “A politician’s sexual activities are private. They should not be used in evaluating his ability to lead.”

    I think that’s hogwash. If a man cheats on his wife, he’ll cheat anyone. If he breaks a marriage vow, don’t trust his oath of office.

    This got Trump into trouble: talking sexual trash. Talking sexual trash will get you pilloried as “disrespectful to women.” But actually committing adultery is a minor offense. It gets reported, but we are assured that “boys will be boys” at age 60. “How terrible!” (Wink, wink.)

    We live in an era of upside-down ethics.

    We get the leaders we deserve. That fact should scare us.


  15. NBC News reports:

    Donald Trump’s pledge Sunday night that he would order his attorney general to investigate Hillary Clinton, and his quip that she should “be in jail,” is a direct breach of the tradition of nonpartisan rule of law.
    “If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. Because there has never been so many lies, so much deception, there has never been anything like it,” Trump said during the second presidential debate.

    I love this: “a direct breach of the tradition of nonpartisan rule of law.” Nonsense. It is the pledge of a candidate who has said his opponent has broken the law repeatedly. Refusing to prosecute her would be a violation of the rule of law. But saying this in public at the national debate is a violation of the non-partisan old boy network in Washington.

    These two have stripped each other of legitimacy. Never have two more hated and mistrusted presidential candidates run against each other. There is no trace of “hail fellow, well met” in this race.

    The key to government is legitimacy. The one holding final authority must persuade those under his jurisdiction that self-government must reinforce the hierarchy. Without self-government, the head of no government — church, state, or family — can rule securely. There will be too much resistance. It will take too many resources to enforce compliance.

    The Republican Party’s establishment has always been ready to cooperate with Democrats in a bipartisan fashion. This is called good government. But when the leaders of both parties are committed to bankrupting federal deficits, the bipartisanship should end. Someone should say: “Thus far, and no farther.” This is what Trump is saying.

    This is Trump’s threat to the system: an end to the old boy network. This is why he has so little support from the Republic establishment.

    Trump represents millions of alienated voters. They are not going to be placated by the likes of Paul Ryan. They have a taste of power. They will not go back into the shadows next year.

    I think the same is true of Bernie Sanders’ army.

    This election has pulled the hard core out of the respective sidelines. They got involved. They are appalled at the respective party establishments. If a hard core of these hard cores get involved at the precinct level after this election, it will disrupt the bipartisan alliance in Congress.

    When the economy goes into recession, as it will before 2020, confrontational rhetoric will escalate from the rival non-establishment constituencies. It will be difficult for the parties’ old boy networks to suppress this revolt.

    We are seeing the end of bipartisanship in Washington. We are seeing gridlock. But this is merely the first stage of the division. This has undermined inter-party political cooperation. The next stage will be intra-party confrontation. This will add to gridlock.

    It is happening in Great Britain today. All four parties — Conservative, Labor, Liberal Democrats, UKIP — are in turmoil.

    This is good news for those of us who want a gridlocked federal government that is powerless to fix the broken system or bring in anything new.

    We are seeing the splintering of the political alliances of the the post-1945 Keynesian world. Its legitimacy is being removed by the voters. There are tens of millions of voters who do not trust the political system that threw up Clinton and Trump. One of them will win. Either will be a lame duck from day one.

  16. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David October 22, 2016 at 8:17 AM re “The system as we call it is designed to alienate the vulnerable.”…. And so are all life’s systems basically.

    There has never been a time in history and never will be ahead when the powerful willingly cede to the vulnerable. And moreover, the vulnerable strive to power and when achieved become more oppressive that those who they succeeded.

    Blunt, but pellucid and true.

    It has been said here before that Clinton and Trump are opposite sides of the same coin: powerful wealthy elites with grand ambitions.

    Even Bernie Sanders cloaked in his ‘every man’ garb is a member of the power class. Surely he does not exude that sense of entitlement and privilege as these two. Yet for all his wondrous non-entitled demeanor he would NEVER had been fully embraced by those Trump “so-called uneducated White male” supporters.

    When we honestly look inside our communities it becomes quite facile to truly cut through all this political palaver and get to the basic truths.

    Trump would have been President because many people see a lot of themselves in him or want to be like him (certainly white males); frankly lots of women wanted him to grab them too before he made it such a crass and demeaning concept.

    How many men or women want to be a bitchy, foul mouthed, frigid seeming shrill of a female…regardless of how intelligent and dynamic.

    Again a bit blunt but as clearly true as crystal…the hypocrisy of life. What’s good for the gander is never, ever good for the goose!


  17. RE There has never been a time in history and never will be ahead when the powerful willingly cede to the vulnerable.

    There has never been a time in history and never will be ahead when the bright and smart will cede to dummies and wannabees

    NEVER WILL YOU EVER ATTEMPT TO ENTER A DISCUSSION ABOUT MEDICINE IN THIS RUM SHOP AGAIN


  18. @Dee Word and Pacha

    Agree with you. Like TB’s YouTube on another blog alludes, we may have to look forward to rising from the ashes.


  19. yes some (who believe in the Tribulation period up ahead) will rise from the ashes of Armageddon


  20. Georgie Porgie

    We have yet to hear in what area of medicine are you specialize? If you are a endocrinologist you can’t not speak on or advice on issues of Cardiology. As a family care doctor you can refer to areas of speciality if your patient is experiencing for example: reoccurring chest pain or tightness in the chest or pain running down the arm etc,


  21. @ Dribbler
    Bushie has to say that your grasp of US political reality is impressive, and dramatically on point…. Not in any way lukewarm…. 🙂
    You draw a picture of a lost society, with inverted values, and one that is harvesting the appropriate results of such values (beliefs) with, for example, the kind of leaders they have; the kind of society they are building; and the kind of future that they face.

    On another thread, the question of what Jesus meant by ‘believe in me and you will be saved’ is being discussed.
    Surely he is talking about buying into his VALUES.

    He certainly CANNOT simply mean ‘not to doubt his words’. His words were powerful enough in themselves to have been recorded and distributed more so than those of any other individual who ever lived. His words are logical, practical and largely beyond dispute from a legal, logical, and humanitarian viewpoint …. It does not take a genius to ‘believe’ in love, forgiveness, giving to the poor, and belief in God.

    What is MUCH more challenging however, is to buy into these VALUES that he espoused. So when we are called to ‘believe’ in Jesus, it is a call to VALUES of righteousness – to putting on the whole armour of God. This is a call for righteous CHARACTER development – which will be characterised by such attributes as LOVE, PEACEFUL intent, forgiveness, patience, and most notably, by a love of neighbour, and of God.

    It is the FRUIT being produced that confirms ‘belief’…..

    Modern society almost universally believes in material possessions… (albino-centric belief)
    It is how we measure success; progress; wealth; meaning in life; and even happiness. This is the inverse of what Jesus calls on us to ‘believe’…. (community centric, outwardly-focused belief) and it achieves the inverse results.

    Very simply, we can only reap what we have planted….


  22. There is a Bajan term……fortune tellers…. and I see some of them on this blog.Beware of fortune tellers.


  23. @ David

    We’ve, meaning life on this planet, plants other animals, have risen

    On its own volition and without external intervention

    We’re sure it will happen many, many more times in the future


  24. @Pacha

    Some animal life forms have been known to become extinct. Human beings though are suppose to be blessed with freewill. One can only assume this advantage will allow Homo sapiens to reinvent itself.


  25. @ David

    We were never convinced that the humanoid is central to the web of life.

    This planet was here ten of billions of years before that mammal appeared.

    He/she may very well be the opposite.

    For us, far to much importance is attached to the the human and artificially so.

    We now know, for certainty, that what we have called ‘freewill’ is a nonsense

    Those discourses were merely about attributing a supreme importance to the human.

    We now know that plants, others organism are no less ‘feer-willed’, if you will.


  26. @Pacha

    Are you saying that the animal blessed only with instinct will be the life form responsible for sustaining the planet?

    What are you saying!


  27. Bush Tea

    Before the Bible moral codes existed such the Hammurabi code, the golden and silver rule, the evolutionary concept of morality predicated upon the Pleasure and Pain principle, and well beyond the Hebrew scriptures man was able to develop empathy for his fellow man. I am quite sure you have had the opportunity to engage in the western intellectual tradition, and in so doing came across the name Moses Miamonides, who argued that religious morality: had been erected upon oracular divination and human deliberation. And this is the position of the atheist, a position with is grounded on empirical evidence rather than metaphysical and supernatural interpretation, as the Christian narrative presupposes.


  28. @David

    Making two point

    One, that earth was and will be a better place without humans

    Two, that the construction about differentials between ‘instinct’, ‘freewill’, intelligence and so on, is a nonsense.

    There are no real differences between the ‘intelligence’ of organisms.

    For example, we’ve proven that plants can think in complex ways.


  29. @Pacha

    Will leave that null hypothesis for Bushie to deal!

    Or like Sinckler said in response to the Canadian diplomat, we will allow that ball to fly down the leg side.


  30. Doesn’t the process of thinking involves action?


  31. @ David

    LOL


  32. Doesn’t the process of thinking involves making valued choices?


  33. How does one demonstrate the process of thinking in practical terms rathe than metaphysical ones?


  34. When Bill C became President, he found a letter from his predecessor GH Bush which read in part ‘You will be our President when you read this note” and “your success is our country’s success”. Contrast that with Senator McConnell’s words on the swearing in of President Obama “my goal is to make him a one term President”. McConnell didn’t succeed but he certainly acted on that promise even after Obama was reelected the Republicans never acted in a bipartisan manner to ensure that the country’s success was paramount instead they tried to stymie his every action. In spite of the obstacles before him Obama succeeded beyond their wildest dreams in resurrecting a country on the precipice of disaster after the financial meltdown which he inherited. He revived the Auto industry and halted job losses in that sector and its many byproduct industries, there has been an increase in the number of employed almost every month since he assumed Office. I read that the average Trump supporter makes approx. $70,000 per annum, now if these people are dissatisfied with their lives something else is bothering them and I don’t have to guess what that is. The people who should be unhappy are the poor and the marginalized who are making minimum wage and trying to support a family, the Walmart employees supplementing their income by going to food banks, the people who are being denied a Federally mandated minimum wage by the Republicans.

    Back to GH Bush if ever a man had to be unhappy at the result of an election it would be GH Bush, Clinton denied him a second term (with an assist from Ross Perot). President Carter never exhibited any signs of anger over being defeated by Reagan despite the fact that he was leading Reagan late in that cycle (BTW did Reagan have a secret agreement with the Iranians to release the hostages when he was sworn in?).
    Class is Class and potty mouth- groper in chief Trump displays none of it instead he is whining as he did during the Republican primaries as the prospect of losing stares him in the face.

    I would like the Trump supporters to explain his mission Statement “Make America Great again” does that refer to an economic era or a historical reference which can be verified by reference to calendar years.


  35. RE we’ve proven that plants can think in complex ways.

    this is why you have to like the BU RUM SHOP
    NOWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD WILL YOU READ SUCH BULLSHIT
    “we’ve proven that plants can think in complex ways.”

    WHEN MEN CHOSE NOT TO BE BELIEVERS THEY BELIEVE ALL KINDS OF SHIT


  36. Never in the history of american politics has a presidential candidate setting eyes on the office of Presidency accuse and assaulted descrptive of banana republics and communist countries describing the american election system as “rigged” this is an unforgettable first a first which can threaten the foundations of a great nation.
    Donald Trump has for many years have free acess to the same system which has favoured him greatly and which he now chides and accuse in front of a world wide audience without have any concrete evidence upon which he can make such a claim
    History has shown that one occurence that some voters ballots were incomplete because of a failure due to a new computerized system had nothing to do with a”rigged system’however DT is proposing to recapture such a opportunity pinning his hopes to have a redo of the electoral sysytem if he does not win the election
    Dirty tricks akin to Richard Nixon and which will serve him or the Republican party no good


  37. Plants do not have neurons or brains so how do they think?


  38. Pachamana

    Sound like a real doofus making such outlandish statements with no scientific verification.


  39. @ Pacha
    You are wrong about man’s central status in the universe.
    You are led to that conclusion by your logical analysis of man’s idiocy over the eons, however that idiocy is a matter of brass bowlery …and that is driven by forces beyond your comprehension.

    In fact, the whole point of the universe is to facilitate man, and the whole point of ‘man’ is to facilitate a REALLY SPECIAL project being undertaken by the ‘REAL REAL’ Big Boss Engineers who run things.
    If people understood the unbelievable potentialities that reside in the human being, then it becomes clear why you may be tempted to draw the conclusion that you have –
    …that men are no more intelligent than plants, if they can such foolish brass bowl idiots.

    The ‘gospel’ is really the news about that great potential – and the methodology by which it may be achieved.


  40. David

    The collegiate discourse of this blog has sunk to a new low with this man making this kind of a statement? Sir is this something you watch on National Geographics -which hasn’t been validated by the scientific community? I’ve never heard this claim and I am an avid reader and do watch National Geographics occasionally.


  41. THIS IS THE GOSPEL

    1 Corinthians Chapter 15
    1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    THE SCRIPTURES TEACHES NOTHING ABOUT unbelievable potentialities that reside in the human being,
    pLEASE GIVE CHAPTER AND VERSE TO SUPPORT THIS HERESY

    THE SCRIPTURES TEACH IN EPH 2 THAT MEN ARE HOPELESS, GODLESS AND CHRISTLESS

    WHERE IN SCRIPTURE DO WE READ ANY BULLSHIT ABOUT BIG BOSS ENGINEERS?


  42. Georgie Porgie

    The problem with your divine command theory is the fact that there isn’t any empirical basis to prove to an atheist like Pachamama, that those words which you have written can be support by real evidence.


  43. @ Bushie

    Thanks for being ‘gentle’ with us.

    You have previously agreed with us about the potency of epigenetics, which is tangentially connected to this discussion.

    Thirty years ago when this was posited everybody in the academic community and further afield though, ‘what madness’ – the idea that there could be genetic effects not encoded in DNA.

    Again as per usual there are good studies proving, not positing, that plants could think and the same ‘flat-earth’ reactionaries are coming out of the woodwork. We refuse to associate you with them.

    One of the people doing such work is Marden;

    ”The margins of philosophy are populated by non-human, non-animal living beings, including plants. While contemporary philosophers tend to refrain from raising ontological and ethical concerns with vegetal life, Michael Marder puts this life at the forefront of the current deconstruction of metaphysics. He identifies the existential features of plant behavior and the vegetal heritage of human thought so as to affirm the potential of vegetation to resist the logic of totalization and to exceed the narrow confines of instrumentality. Reconstructing the life of plants “after metaphysics,” Marder focuses on their unique temporality, freedom, and material knowledge or wisdom. In his formulation, “plant-thinking” is the non-cognitive, non-ideational, and non-imagistic mode of thinking proper to plants, as much as the process of bringing human thought itself back to its roots and rendering it plantlike.”

    https://cup.columbia.edu/book/plant-thinking/9780231161244

    Without the scientific methods, do you not see this in your every day life. For example, what do you think is happening when you take plants to heal illnesses? How do they know what to do in your body? And why are there seldom side-effects?


  44. THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT MAN AND HIS INTERFACING WITH THE GOSPEL
    TITUS 3:3 FF
    For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
    4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
    5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
    6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
    7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    NOTE NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy

    ALSO NOTE THE ROLE OF THE TRINITY -THE TRIUNE GOD IN SALVATION
    THE LOVE OF GOD APPEARED
    REGENERATION AND RENEWING OF THE SPIRIT
    THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR

    ROMANS 4:3
    For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
    4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
    5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


  45. Georgie Porgie

    There are two things which man hasn’t been able to prove beyond his guesstimation regarding the existence of the universe, and that is when is begun and when it is going to end.


  46. Without the scientific methods, do you not see this in your every day life. For example, what do you think is happening when you take plants to heal illnesses? How do they know what to do in your body? And why are there seldom side-effects?

    PLANTS CONTAIN CHEMICAL AGENTS PLACED THERE BY GOD
    THESE AGENTS INTERACT WITH RECEPTOR SITES IN TISUES

    PRIMARY EXAMPLE I THE SAP FROM THE WILLOW CALLED OIL OF WINTERGREEN WHICH I METHYL SALYCIILC ACID . WHEN PRECIPITATED IT IS AVAILABLE AS ACETLY SALICYLIC ACID I.E ASPIRIN

    PLANTS DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING FOOL
    HAVE YOU EVER HEARD A PLANT SAY COME AND TAKE ME FOR YOUR ENLARGED PROSTATE

    PLANTS DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO IN YOUR BODY

    AND MANY PLANTS ARE POISONOUS——VERY POISONOUS


  47. Pachamama

    Are you aware of the fact that there is an Atheists, Agnostics and Free-Thinkers blog of Barbados and it can be founded on Facebook? The blogmaster from time to time comments on Barbados Today Sir.


  48. IN FACT PLANTS USED IN MEDICINE WILL KILL YOU IF THE WRONG DOSE IS USED EG THE CARDIAC GLYCOSIDES DIGITALIS USED TO TREAT HEART FAILURE

    THE AMOUNT OF SHITE YOU READ ON BU BY SO CALLED EDUCATED FOLK IS AMAZING


  49. @ Pacha
    You are of course right about epigenetics, but it only confirms the level of engineering of which Bushie speaks.
    These plant systems are so advanced in their engineering, that they are able to initiate a change in phenotype without a change in genotype while adjusting to changing environments.
    …and this would have been pro-actively programmed into their DNA make-up – even BEFORE they experienced the relevant environmental shocks.
    If you look at self-driving cars now, you would almost be tempted to say that they are as smart (or smarter) than human drivers. But what they reflect is advanced engineering….by top level engineers somewhere.

    Same with the plants.

    As Bushie said many times before, the WHOLE issue about what Jesus preached can be summed up in one thing …. By their FRUIT should they be judged.
    Not by how much they know…
    Not by how rich they are…
    Not by how bright they claim to be…

    The problem with fruit is that they hang there for everyone to judge objectively.
    Sour fruit are sour fruit… and the fruits of the spirit are NOT sour.


  50. @ Bushie

    You have us slain

    We surrender! LOL

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