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THREE HOURS & FIFTEEN MINUTES TO RENEW A DRIVERS LICENSE.- A WARNING. THE SHORT STORY: To the Pine Office, The Oistins Office and back to the Pine. Standing in line, Oistins 2 hrs; Sitting in line, The Pine 35min.; Driving, 40mins.

FOR A โ€˜SHORT-STORY read onโ€ฆ itโ€™s a bit long but so was our wait.

I WENT WITH MY WIFE TODAY TO RENEW HER DRIVERโ€™S LICENSE. We went to The Pine office as usual but that, we were told, was under renovation so we have to go to Oistins. Not ever having been to Oistins to pay my license I went to the Government compound to the East of Oistins โ€ฆ Law Courts, Police Stn., Library etc. O.K. My Bad/Ignorance. Finally we find the Revenue office around the back of the Massy Mall through a doorway that proudly proclaims it to be the entrance to a Gym. We see a line of over 20 people waiting and we enter and join it. I notice that of the 7 windows only two are manned/womanned. 15 mins later the line has not moved and there are now 8 people behind us. A large man appears and proceeds to divide the line into two and sends the newer half outside to wait. โ€œIn here is get too hot and crowded and people does faint so go out and wait and I will call you in.โ€ So said, so done and they line-up outside the glass wall. He sits a while vetting new arrivals and then leaves. Two people leave the room so the others outside feel that two of them should come in. Two of them do and they are followed by all the others because Mr. Man is not at the door.

The room is full again.

We finally begin to inch forward very slowly and Mr. Man returns. Loud shouting, big argument and he finally gets some of them back outside. 45 minutes later and we are now half-way up the line. A third cashier has started to work. I am seriously thinking of going back out to the car to get folding chairs for Hetty and I. A lady with a child in her arms comes in. I not sure what transpired but suddenly she is at the cashier having bypassed the line. Who tell she do that? Big noiseโ€ฆ โ€œNo. No. It wonโ€™t be dat. I was hey all morninโ€™ an she jus walk in so?โ€ from the man next in line, backed up by all and sundryโ€ฆ Mr Man jumps in โ€œPeople wid children can move up so you gotta wait.โ€ Fortunately she was not there long. An expat lady in front of us who has been quiet all along says it is not bad today. She was here yesterday and was in the outside line-up which had doubled back on itself and had extended around the corner of the building. She had waited over two hours and then was told she had to bring a photo to get a drivers License and was returning today wondering why there was no โ€˜receptionโ€™ to explain requirements before the line-up. A guy in front of her explained that we Bajans โ€œLike it so. We too polite.โ€ And then started in on the banks and their โ€˜serviceโ€™. I am now in a position where I can read the numerous computer โ€˜print-outโ€™ signs which seem to be contradictory and despite the reassurance of others in the line around us, am now wondering if we are in the right place.

Optimistically, I remember from last year, that there was a sign on the only door at the Pine office, where everyone had to enter, which boldly said โ€˜No Entryโ€™. One and a half hours after joining the line we got to the cashier. It took her no more than 5 minutes to fix us. I do not know what services the others before us required that could have taken so long. Having paid and now wondering how we were going to get the actual license card I asked her for the next stepโ€ฆ โ€œAsk the guard.โ€ She said. I asked the guard and he said โ€œWait dey. Somebody goinโ€™ come out and take de cards.โ€ โ€œBut the sign on the door says to comeback tomorrow.โ€ I replied. โ€œDoan mind dat, Wait dey.โ€ He instructed. All the chairs but one in that section were taken so Hetty took that and I joined the other standing guys behind them. Half an hour later the lady from behind the door had come out once and taken the receipts and expired license cards from about four people. A lady beside me said โ€œI gone. I canโ€™t wait any longer. That lady in de blue dress been waitinโ€™ for uh hour. I live โ€˜bout hey so I goinโ€™ come back early tomorrow.โ€ I explained that I didnโ€™t live โ€˜bout heyโ€™ so Iโ€™d have to wait. โ€œYou got a car? Why you donโ€™t drive down by the Pine and get the card from dem? They still taking the pictures.โ€ Thank You lady! We had to go that way to get home anyway and although there was no guarantee that the line would be any shorter I remembered that they had more chairs so the wait would be more comfortable.

We drive to the Pine. Quite a few people waiting but there are empty chairs and a reception desk. The guy takes our receipt and the expired card and asks if we want to use the old photo. โ€œSure.โ€ Anything to save time. He takes them inside and we sit. Like at Oistins there is a digital electronic sign that says โ€œNow serving No. โ€ฆโ€ฆ..โ€ but itโ€™s not. After about 5 mins. A guy comes from behind the wall with a book, rests on a shelf and calls some names. About five people get up and receive their cards. Great, it is working! He then sits in a nearby chair and falls asleep. Seriously. I know because his eyes close, his head slips to a side and his hands that were clasped together in front of his belly fall to his sides. I show Hetty and the guy sitting next to us laughs. After a few minutes he wakes with a start and ambles back behind the wall. He comes back out with a few more cards and repeats. This happens about four more times. It appears that this is all he does all day. No wonder he falls asleep. Finally Hettyโ€™s turn comes. Standing in line Oistins 2 hrs; Sitting in line The Pine 35min.; Driving 40mins. What has Barbados come to? Are we not supposed to be improving productivity? So much for our new and streamlined Revenue Authority and Civil Service.

Do you think that the Minister of Finance or any of the other members of the cabinet go through this to renew their Drivers License?


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70 responses to “Barbadians Need to Take a Day Off from Work to Renew Driving License”


  1. In other countries you apply via internet for renewal and get served within 5 min. then.

    If you take this story and my observation, the true value of 1 BBD might be 0.1 USD in the light of efficiency of services on this island.

  2. Lawrence James Bauer, CFA Avatar
    Lawrence James Bauer, CFA

    50 years ago when I moved to New York City, everyone had to take a day off to renew their drivers license every few years. It was a dreaded ordeal, and one had to spend hours and hours standing on stone floors — which some people could not do. Some fainted.

    Today, the entire process is automated, they don’t bother with new photos every time, and the DMV sends you the license in the mail before the old one expires. You don’t normally even have to go to their office. What for? It’s a simple data-processing exercise that collects a fee. There is no reason in today’s computer-based world for all that drama to be necessary for most persons. It’s one of the few areas of US government regulation that has been revolutionized for the better.


  3. To answer your final paragraph I quote former US House Speaker John Boehner….HELL NO!!


  4. I usually get my visitors permit at Oistins (Welches for the old timers) and there is usually a Security Guard there who provides some information and guidelines I believe people also pay their property tax at the same location. Two years ago the Office was under renovation and I had to go to the Pine and had a long wait but struck up a conversation with another expat who had returned home and the time passed quickly.

    I donโ€™t complain when I am in Bim but the vehicle license Offices in Ontario are open on Saturdays so people who work during the week can get to them or they can renew by mail. A visit to the Office is only required if it has expired and they want to take a new photo; I can also renew my Passport on Saturdays at a Govโ€™t Office.

    Just sayingโ€ฆโ€ฆ.


  5. Didn’t Sinclar assure Bajans a couple weeks ago while on the Sunday talk show that the equipment has been ordered and the long wait to renew licenses will be soon a thing of the past?

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  6. I got my renewed MOT drivers license by post from the DMV in 1977,back in the UK ,and it is valid up until my 65th birthdate. No new photos. no waiting in line, no further fees.


  7. If we had an e-government in Bim, 50 % of the civil servants would be useless. Nobody wants such an efficient administration.

  8. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    It is absurd how far behind Barbados is with its license system. If they want to continue with this crappy system of yearly or every three years renewal process, there is nothing that is stopping them from having a more efficient system.

    Jesus H Christ, you want to tell me that without technology like internet online renewal, a simple drop box system, where all the particulars for the renewal process are provided in a sealed envelope followed then, by a simple appointment system per renewal month for pay and collect is so gaw darn cotton picking hard in an island that boasts about its rapid development and 99.9 percent literacy rate? What is so friggin complicated in this authority that people got to wait 3 hrs in long lines just for something as simple as a license. When will Barbados move up the ladder of efficiency instead of operating with this medieval system that make bajans look like they always got to wait on Massa. Bare nonsense.


  9. @SSS

    And what makes it muy unpalatable Is the hoggish service delivered by many at the renewal points. We the taxpayers deserve better and we MUST demand better. Our taxdollars pay these people.

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  10. Computerise the Public service…?
    …then what would the army of occupation do…?
    Wunna expect that it is possible to recruit people based on ‘constituency’ to operate a modern computerised system?
    Wunna REALLY expect politicians to put themselves in position to have to hire TALENTED people … who may not be inclined to brown-nose their donkeys like AC…?

    Why wunna think they gung-ho behind things like Hyatt, Sam Lords and the Deltro shiite?
    …and having Maloney employ 700 lackies..?
    Scratch grain for their yardfowls…

    LOL
    Look what happened when they tried to modernize the NIS… they ended up needing even more yardfowls to respond to the long lines and complaints…
    In other departments they ended up with DOUBLE the staff – one set playing with the cuntputer, while the other set keep up the old traditions…. DOUBLING the wait times…

    De place is as good as dead.
    If you put an idiot in charge of heaven ….you end up in hell….

  11. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David you said that : “Didnโ€™t Sinclar assure Bajans a couple weeks ago while on the Sunday talk show that the equipment has been ordered and the long wait to renew licenses will be soon a thing of the past? ”

    I would also ask, wasn’t that what the new BRA system expected to alleviate many of these woes. As others have highlighted there is absolutely no reason practical reason for this level of ‘indifference’.

    It cannot be technology based (i.e. software and hardware to print a DL card) so it must be abject callous money making indifference. And by money making I mean the money that some private contractor has made or will make to update simple laziness.

    I would ask re equipment orders: was that replacement equipment or additional equip?How could our simple low production system be overrun already that we need ‘new equipment’ or replacement equipment.

    Sounds like a boondongle – smaller scale – but same corrosive BS of the bigger scams and standard civil service boredom and indifference reflecting the political leadership boredom and indifference.

  12. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    David

    The system is just pathetic and piss poor. As to the hogs, if you got them as leaders then expect them at the lower level. After all, the same visionless leaders are responsible for recruiting some real horrible pigs. I mean there are so many different workable systems and models that Barbados can adopt to improve the licence renewal process and these excusers find ways and means to continue in the comfortable mediocrity. It took them ages to put income tax online. Something like licences should have been via an online renewal process or drop box ages ago. But, in the land of the blind politicians the one eye man is King.


  13. MANYTIMES WE DOES BLAME DE BODY WRONGFULLY, U SEE WE HAVE AH SICK, RETARDED, INEPT, DON’T DO NOTHING GOVMENT HERE, THAT JUST TALKS CRAP, GET IN BED WID SOME DECENT CROOKS, SIGN ALL KINDS AH SHADY DEALS ETC, ETC…AND WE EXPECT THE GOVMENT WORK FORCE TO BE BETTER…WHEN THE HEAD SICK (GOVMENT) THE WHOLE BODY IN TROUBLE…….LOOK THE OTHER DAY I WENT TO DE PINE TO PAY FOR AH TRUCK THAT IS OFF THE ROAD, WOULD U BELIEVE WHEN I GOT THE FORM TO FULL OUT, I HAD TO TAKE IT TO THE TREASURY GROUND FLOOR (BRIDGETOWN) PAY 50.00 AN HEAD BACK TO THE PINE WITH RECEIPT TO GET IT APPROVE FOR SOME ONE TO COME AN INSPECT IT……YET OVER AH MONTH NOW AN NO ONE HAS SHOWED UP. IN MY ESTIMATION ALL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN TOWN…….IT SEEMS TO ME UNDER THIS ROTTEN LOUSY GOVMENT THEY INTEND TO TORTURE US WHICH EVER WAY POSSIBLE, TAXES, WATER BILLS, FOOD, INSULTS, CORRUPTION, EVER EVIL IMAGINATION DEM HAVE…..THATS THE DEMONIC LYING PARTY FOR WE


  14. WANNA HEAR FRUNDAL A.K.A BLACK MAMBA SAY TECHNOLOGY IS TO BLAME FOR ALL THESE PROBLEMS HAHAHAHAHA SO INSTEAD OF BRINGING IN MORE EQUIPTMENT, THAT SOMEBODY MAY WELL GET THE HANDS GREESE, BRING BACK DE BOOKS NA, U USED TO GET THROUGH FASTER THAT WAY…I BET MY LAST DOLLAR THAT THOSE MACHINES COMING IN DON’T STAND UP


  15. Reading this I realized that the exact same thing happened to me two years ago while renewing my drivers license. Right down to the security guard at Oistins and the procedure at the Pine. I also had to go to S’town and it seems nothing has changed including the conflicting signs on the wall.


  16. @ SUNNY SUNSHINE, LOOK!!! FOR AS LONG IS THIS GOVERNMENT IN POWER WE WILL REMAIN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LADDER, THEY IS AH BUNCH OF SHAMELESS GOODFORNOTHING LOWLIFETED BRUTE BEAST I HAVE EVER SEEN…..NOT ONE STEP OF PROGRESS ON THE LADDER WE WILL MAKE.

  17. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    recoanthony

    One thing the SSS is not, is castigating this government for castigating this government sake. This is not a DLP problem, if you looking at governments in power. This crap at the licensing authority is the ‘turn de other cheek’ politics of both political parties i.e. Dees and Bees of yesteryear and yester-today. Let us break it down.

    What are the two respective parties far more interested in than anything else while in power

    A. Is it big money projects and big name persons with big name companies
    B. Big money investment in Tourism
    C. Improving systems and services for better efficiency
    D. Improving systems and services in the Tourism Industry for better efficiency
    E. The all important draw back and kick back.
    F. All of the above or some of the above.

    If your answer is F then we know why technology is a problem and efficiency remains in the dumps. Both respective parties are piss poor when it comes to looking after everyday services that local population depends on.

  18. Bernard Codrington. Avatar
    Bernard Codrington.

    The problem is demotivation of the staff. I perceive that a reduction of staff and a complicated system and process is the cause of the problem. These also lead to increases in certificated and uncertified sick leave. Computerisation does not always lead to speed of processing nor efficiency. Take a look at the long wait at banks. Does one get a faster service? I think the BRA need to examine the system and the processes. The system may frustrate the tax payer from paying his taxes.


  19. Why all this inefficiency?

    Simply look at http://www.gov.bb/:

    16 ministries, 70 state bodies, 51 departments.

    Wow! Is that China? No little Bim. Should we cry or laugh?

    For Bim it should be:

    5 ministries, 10 state bodies, 20 departments. No senate, no court of appeal, no badges, no ancient titles, no other frills. Just Barbados.


  20. My brother told me that PM Errol Barrow once described the Barbados Civil Service as an army of occupation, seems the description still holds today.


  21. I remember being six months pregnant and standing in that line for two hours until I felt faint. Thirteen years later and it hasn’t changed. We are a backward people!

    P.S. At least when one raises a stink in the bank there is a response. Try it! It works for me.

  22. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    Bernard Codrington

    You are telling me that for 50 years the staff continues to operate demotivated? Man wake up and smell some snuff. Even when there were no staffing issues, the Barbados Licensing Authority was and still is a long wait.


  23. The bank services in Bim are no better than the experience described above.

    Staff chatting behind the desk or running around without a plan.
    No proper internet banking: It takes two (!) hours to do an international transfer at the bank plus central bank permission (another 15 min). In some developed countries you do that via internet without any permission in 5 minutes. 50 % of the staff could be saved with internet banking!
    Using cheques or queuing for sure pay instead of direct debit. Cheques are not secure, sure pay costs lots of time. Direct debit as I know it from other places is safe, fast and revocable up to 1 month after transaction. You sign the direct debit form once and the rest is going on automatically for many years. Especially useful during vacation.


  24. Seems to me like they need to do some process benchmarking leading to vertical integration. These hours of waiting and running up and down are ridiculous. By the way, I met two Bajans in 1997 at the American Productivity and Quality Center, who were there to learn about benchmarking. I suppose they took courses in both strategic and process. They worked for, and were highly paid by, the Barbados Productivity Council. What did they do with their acquired knowledge, if any? The entire island should have been streamlined by now. After all, twenty years is more than enough to make a ‘likle’ island like Bim efficient.

  25. millertheannunaki Avatar
    millertheannunaki

    @ bajans August 29, 2016 at 4:35 PM
    โ€œThey worked for, and were highly paid by, the Barbados Productivity Council. What did they do with their acquired knowledge, if any? The entire island should have been streamlined by now. After all, twenty years is more than enough to make a โ€˜likleโ€™ island like Bim efficient.โ€

    Overseas Baje, you have hit the nail on the head by identifying one of the many โ€˜unproductiveโ€™ agencies that ought to be rationalized, merged or disbanded.

    Why not merge the following agencies into one body called the National Standards & Productivity Agency (NSPA)?

    NISE
    Productivity Council
    Training and Vocational Board
    Training Division
    National Standards Institute


  26. 10 am, on an extremely hot day outside Licensing Authority/ BRA Oistin
    http://i.imgur.com/QHOLEYO.jpg?1


  27. Bajans are never willing to take a stand for better systems. However, the outspoken are seen as troublemakers and anti GOB. Fortunately my card is in order but I protested privately and to the senior staff and got my issues sorted.

    With over 1000 freely educated lawyers in Barbados at least one of them can have a heart and challenge the RBPF over the ignorance of reporting persons who only have the receipt and not the book tthanks nto a faulty printer.


  28. The whole of Barbados complaining but still going to renew licenses. Why not have a protest in front of the Ministry responsible? Go as if you all going to renew with placards in your cars,. Park, take out your signs and start protesting the disrespect the government is dishing out to you all! Do it at all licensing departments. WHAT DE RASS WRONG WID WUNNA???


  29. Anyone ever had to retrieve a barrel from the Port?


  30. Kammie Holder August 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM #
    With over 1000 freely educated lawyers in Barbados at least one of them can have a heart and challenge the RBPF over the ignorance of reporting persons who only have the receipt and not the book tthanks nto a faulty printer.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………
    And half of these probably owe money to the Students Revolving Fund, so they may not want to rock the boat.


  31. Why do tourist coming to Barbados have to get a visitors driving permit when Bajans can go to several countries and drive on their Barbados license for 3 to 6 months depending on the country. This is counter productive and a blight on the tourist industry and car rental companies. I know it is just another tax, but how much is really collected, is it worth the agro?


  32. @ SUNNY SS OK I SEE, WE ARE NOT CASTIGATING THE GOVERNMENT FOR CASTIGATING SAKE, BUT RATHER CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM SHOULD BE IN MY OPINION WITH OUT BIAS, AND YES WE KNOW HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS IN BOTH BEE/DEES, LORD I’VE SEEN BAD THROUGH THE YEARS, YET NOTHING COMES NEAR TO THIS……..I MEAN EVERYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY IS AT SLUG /SNAIL PACE


  33. Why cant barbadians renew their drivers license at the rum shop …they can kill two birds with one stone


  34. Alla wunna waiting hours is a bunch of effing sheep and goats. Sitting down quietly taking the DISRESPECT the Government showing wunna. I am NOT going anywhere except Holetown to get my photo liscense when they get their act together. I have the receipt and if that is not good enough for the Police then I want my day in Court! Chris Snickler and Frundel Stuart could KISS MY BLACK HAIRY TOE !


  35. I have never waited in the sun. That really is a sheep and goat thing. Who would allow themselves to be treated that way but a sheep or a goat?


  36. I too would challenge them in court if charged for their inefficiencies. You really shouldn’t need an attorney for that.


  37. Donna Sheep and goats got pens to wait in you don’t have to be in the sun to be sheep or goat.


  38. David what happen to the stars not the blue one but the others you used to have pon the blog below conversations.


  39. These days if you know who to pay the bribe to you can get it in 5 minutes – and take the rest of the day off…


  40. @ Donna
    “Who would allow themselves to be treated that way but a sheep or a goat?”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Brazen bowls…..
    ie – Bold Bajan brass bowls…


  41. @islandgal

    The comment ratings feature was removed because it was being abused.

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  42. How so, David?


  43. Donna August 30, 2016 at 10:19 AM #

    “How so, David?”

    @ Donna

    Perhaps you have not noticed the increased amounts of “likes” the ACs’ comments were receiving recently.


  44. Any smart Bajan should now walk in with a child, be it gran, great gran, niece, nephew, or even one borrowed from the neighbours for a $20, and get moved to the head of the line! I renew my drivers license and car sticker on line or by mail. This year I bought a vehicle and it took me all of five minutes to register and pay the HST. There were 6 wickets and all were womaned.

  45. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @ David re “The comment ratings feature was removed because it was being abused. ”

    That’s interesting and sad really. Your site is an amazing mirror reflection on Bajan society in many spheres.

    Any MSc or Phd student in sociology or psychology and related could come here and after scoping over a few years of past data would be able to offer a credible scholarly piece on Bajans and Barbados. That ‘abuse’ of which you speak is but one excellent example of all that makes up the Bajan political and life experience.

    Didn’t the repetitive ‘fradalent’ likes/dislikes tell you something about the apparent impact some stories were making?

    Or maybe it told you that the acolytes are gearing up for the new elections.

    Or maybe it showed that they were becoming lazy, annoyed or just indifferent as they became so interested in gaming a favorabilty rating.

    I know you follow stories like the Brietbart matter. Same context as this issue.

    Responding to your ‘yardfowls’ by killing the metric takes out a window through which we can see their frustration even as it removes a tool for them to display their stupidity and ‘game’ your stuff.

    And with Breitbart, linking them to Trump – as Clinton did- does bring them front and center but she could NOT FAIL to make that connection as that is even more dangerous. They already have a absolutely large following of race tinged admirers.

    You might as well let your audience see what these folks are up to. They are already out there doing damage anyhow!!


  46. Artax,

    I noticed that and the Sand Nigger 4 but I wonder how that could be construed as abuse if somebody, never mind their motives, liked their comments.

    Just asking!


  47. David the comment feature added more to this blog than you think. It showed up the idiots , the paling cocks, the sensible ones and those who has something worthwhile to post. I wasn’t aware of any abuse since you can only click on the comment once.


  48. It definitely makes it less interesting. The AC and Sand Nigger thumbs up were so obvious that they made me laugh every time.


  49. lawson August 30, 2016 at 7:04 AM #
    Why cant barbadians renew their drivers license at the rum shop โ€ฆthey can kill two birds with one stone
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………..
    I do not know about renewals, but some of the driving skills I see displayed by many drivers in Barbados, would suggest that they have passed their driving tests and issued Licenses in a Rum Shop.

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