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Caleb Orozco

We are equally responsible to ensure State accountability to protect the human rights of ALL and not SOME! Therefore all laws, policies and actions must be consistent with the CONSTITUTIONโ€ฆNo one person, group or community should be discriminated against because of the colour of his or her skin, his or her choice of religious belief, his or her ethnicity, or his or her sexual orientationโ€ฆ –Cristina Coc โ€“Mayan Leaders Alliance (Emphasis in original)

There appears to be in these parts, I have remarked on more occasions than one, a general antipathy to a claim to a human right, except of course where it implicates the rights of the respondent individual, a friend, or a member of his or her family. For some, there is simply too much emphasis on rights by others these days, and there is likely to be a swift reminder to the asserter of oneโ€™s responsibilities as if the responsibility of others not to infringe oneโ€™s rights in a democratic society were not equally paramount.

In such a hostile environment, the decision last week by Benjamin CJ in the Belize High Court that section 53 of the Criminal Code of that jurisdiction was inconsistent with rights guaranteed under the Constitution is not likely to be met with much acclaim locally.

According to this provision, marginally noted โ€œUnnatural Crimeโ€

โ€œEvery person who has carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any person or animal shall be liable to imprisonment for ten yearsโ€.

It is generally understood that this offence includes intercourse per anum or buggery, and, as the equivalent-but-not-identical provision in Barbados does, it takes no account of whether the implicated parties are consenting to the act, whether it is done in private or whether the โ€œrecipientโ€ is male or female. In Barbados, conversely, the offender is liable on conviction on indictment to a clearly dissuasive sentence of imprisonment for life, according to section 9 of our Sexual Offences Act, Cap. 154.

Benjamin CJ found that the provision violated the constitutional rights of the petitioner, Mr Caleb Orozco and other Belizeans identically situated, to human dignity, to privacy, to equality before the law and to equal protection of the law, since it criminalized sexual intimacy between consenting adults, even in private.

As to the question whether Mr Orozco had legal standing to make his claim since, unlike the claimants in Lawrence v USA, he had not been arrested or charged for an offence under section 53, Benjamin CJ was of the view that the very existence of the law made him an โ€œun-apprehended felonโ€ because he was liable to be arrested at any time, given his avowed lifestyle of engaging in anally penetrative sex with other men.

To the argument that the Constitution prohibited discrimination on the ground of sex and not on that of sexual orientation, it appears that the learned Chief Justice treated the former as including the latter in light of Belizeโ€™s international obligations that treats them thusly.

Such international obligations would include the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Barbados became a state party on January 5 1973, and which was used in Nicholas Toonen v Australia by the United Nations Human Rights Committee [UNHRC] to nullify some provisions of the Tasmanian Criminal Code that criminalized all forms of sexual contact between consenting adult men in private.

In that matter, the state of Tasmania conceded that Mr Toonenโ€™s right to privacy had been arbitrarily infringed by the provisions but sought to justify their enactment on the ground that the retention of the sections in question was justified and partly motivated by an effort to stem the spread of HIV/AIDS in the state, and that the laws were further justified on moral grounds.

The UNHRC found that consensual sexual activity in private was indeed covered by the concept of โ€œprivacyโ€ and that the lack of the enforcement of the provisions in recent times did not prevent their continued existence from continuously and directly interfering with Mr Toonenโ€™s privacy. The Committee found further, as Benjamin CJ ruled last week, that the reference to “sex” in article 26 of the Covenant is to be taken as including โ€œsexual orientationโ€.

Officials of the local LBGT chapter have warmly welcomed the decision, according to press reports, and the question naturally arises whether a similar decision would ensue were there to be a local challenge to the constitutional validity of our section 9.

I am reluctant to offer a considered opinion on this matter, which is not as straightforward as it might appear at first blush. For one, the Barbados Constitution in its section 17 does not guarantee a right to privacy in the emphatic terms of section 14 of the Belizean Constitution-

โ€œA person shall not be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his honour and reputation. The private and family life, the home and the personal correspondence of every person shall be respectedโ€.

Second, the Barbados โ€œsaving laws clauseโ€ is far more restrictive than that in Belize which limits the continued constitutional validity of laws existing at the date of Independence to a period of five years thereafter. There is no such limitation in Barbados. The Belizean provision is as follows โ€“

โ€œNothing contained in any law in force immediately before Independence Day nor anything done under the authority of any such law shall, for a period of five years after Independence Day, be held to be inconsistent with or done in contravention of any of the provisions of this Partโ€.

In consequence, Benjamin J was not restricted from considering the constitutionality of section 53 even though it might have existed before Belize became independent in 1981, After 1986, it would have lost its freedom from constitutional question in any event. In Barbados, such a law might have been saved from constitutional query.

I expect that there will be some degree of resistance to this ruling locally, chiefly on the basis that it gives overt legal sanction to the transgression of Biblical injunction. While there is, of course, much cultural force in such an argument, it must also be recognized that Barbados is not yet a theocracy, that the determination of whether a law corresponds with the nationโ€™s supreme law in the Constitution is a matter for temporal debate on accepted canons and principles of interpretation. Too besides, I am not at all certain that the mere existence of a law, absent its effective enforcement, should suffice to satisfy a fiat of compliance with Biblical precept.

To be continuedโ€ฆ


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86 responses to “The Jefferson Cumberbatch Column – Enforcing the Rule of Law”

  1. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Jeff

    Without committing yourself to writing, I understand you to say that this is not a matter for the local courts. Discrimination against gay sex is too entrenched in our laws, only an act of Parliament would suffice to change the law. The courts must interpret the law. They would be legislating if they act similarly to Belize.

    While writing an interesting thought came to me. If or when the law changes would it still be defamation to call a fellow a “bulla”. After all, you would not now be saying that the person engages in criminal conduct.


  2. My friend is discriminated against for the last 12+ years by the CTO of MTW ( Mr.Frank Thornhill ) only because he is a black poor man, seeking regress to a dangerous situation that was allowed to developed, because a White foreign woman built a road in watercourse to caused flood damaged to his home, Mr.Frank Thornhill is the person with the duty to execute the Flood ACT CAP 235 section 6b and 7, but refused, to date it appear not even the PS or PCC of MTW can get this CTO to perform his duty


  3. @ Jeff
    No story!!
    We all accept that the world is headed the way of Sodom and Gomorrah. The results are ALSO there for us all to see….There is therefore no surprise that the legal fraternity would all eventually endorse bulling…

    How about some research, and a paper on DEEDS claim that the Government of Barbados, with the connivance of multiple graduates of your institution, have stolen the rightful inheritance of one Violet Beckles …with the result that multiple landholdings in high-profile areas can not stand on a firm legal footing…?


  4. Jeff wrote ” In Barbados, conversely, the offender is liable on conviction on indictment to a clearly dissuasive sentence of imprisonment for life, according to section 9 of our Sexual Offences Act, Cap. 154.”

    Should visitors be warned especially Canadian tourists? Canada even allows gay marriage.


  5. @Hants

    Our politicians always quick to say that we will not change our buggery law but all are welcomed.


  6. David
    I heard on a min bus that some of our politicians are known bullahs so don’t expect the walking parliamentary Senator Todd to bring once more,a motion to the senate that all parliamentarians declare whether they are bullahs,wikkahs or strate.


  7. @Bushie

    Our current law forbids consensual sodomy between a man and his wife.
    Does that make sense to you?


  8. Is sex in private between two consenting adult women illegal in Barbados?

    If it is not then men are being discriminated against.

    That is my layman’s opinion.

  9. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @Caswell at 8:40 am, Agreed, as to the local position.

    Calling a person a “buller” in those circumstances would not be an imputation of a criminal offense, but it may still be something that is frowned on by “right -thinking members of society”, the test for defamatory words. That is the position in the Overseas Dependent Territories where the act between consenting adults in private was legalized by an Order in Council from the UK.

    @ Bush Tea at 8:55am. Has not that matter already been the subject matter of an unsuccessful court action? How much are you willing to pay me for my research and writing skills?

    @ Hants, no adult is likely to be arrested and charged for this offense in Barbados unless it takes place in public view.

    Women lesbians in Barbados commit the act of gross indecency. even consensually and even if in private! According to the Sexual Offices Act, Cap 154

    (1) A person who commits an act of serious indecency on or towards another or incites another to commit that act with the person or with another person is guilty of an offence and, if committed on or towards a person 16 years of age or more or if the person incited is of
    16 years of age or more, is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term of 10 years.

    (2) A person who commits an act of serious indecency with or towards a child under the age of 16 or incites the child under that age to such an act with him or another, is guilty of an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term of 15 years.

    (3) An act of โ€œserious indecencyโ€ is an act, whether natural or unnatural by a person involving the use of the genital organs for the purpose of arousing or gratifying sexual desire.

  10. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    This type of debate should open our eyes to the abject ridiculousness of the underlying statutes which effectively criminalize a large swath of citizens who are already technically condemned for a private, sexual act between consenting adults. If a spouse angrily accused her mate of rape after their drunken tirades… if he did penetrate her anally… and if the charge of rape itself was not upheld because it was proven that consent was mutual it appears from above that a conviction of ‘buggery’ could still be sustained.

    Is it proper that an ‘ambitious’ and ‘righteous’ prosecutor could actually convict this husband to a period of incarceration comparative to that of armed robbers, embezzlers, murderers etc.

    How is that rational!

    There was a case in the US which anecdotally reinforces the folly of some of these ‘dated laws’. In the state of Georgia a 17 year teenager following a 2003 New Year’s Eve Party with fellow teenagers and friends was shown (precursor to the now ubiquitous cell phone video) having oral sex with a 15-year-old girl. Now immediately we see that minors are involved thus ‘consent’ is semantics in this case. So the lad was charged with aggravated child molestation under an old law – since amended – convicted and charged to 10+ years in jail.

    Absurd, but same comparative folly possible for actual consenting adults under our buggery laws as discussed by Jeff.

    At appeal years later one of the Justices asked “We have a responsibility to enforce the law. Should we do that at the expense of fairness?” In our cases, one could also add, “and commons-sense”.

    These type situations make absolutely no legal or societal sense to lay persons like myself so it’s the legal scholars and practitioners like Jeff that need to clarify the nonsense.


  11. @ Jeff

    Women lesbians?
    Yuh slippin up, Boss.

  12. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Apologies for the error, BT! I miswrote.


  13. Why has the Chief Justice of Belize suddenly discovered that a law against sodomy offends against constitutional guarantees of individual rights?
    For the same reason the feeble-minded members of the legal profession across the Caribbean ape their British and Canadian role models in their writing, their manners, and even their professional dress. Monkey see, Monkey do. Are we fit for independence? Should we expect to be treated as full human beings? Are we H. Sapiens 1.0, when most of the world is H. Sapiens 2.0?

  14. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    So Jeff, partly facetious but serious also. How does one describe transgendered persons under the Barbados law?

    Are these lesbians or homosexuals? Is transgendered even recognized under our law?


  15. Nuh body ain’t talking bout de nation sundaysun front page?

  16. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @dpD, I suppose that they are simply called “transgender”. That is the “T” in LBGT. Current Barbadian law treats a person’s sex as determined at birth. The concept of transgender is a legal impossibility here.

    @Chad, The law courts act on legal claims. The Chief Justice did not determine this matter out of the blue. Mr Orozco claimed that his rights were infringed.

  17. Anonymice - TheGAZER Avatar
    Anonymice – TheGAZER

    So we have these laws on the books, but for the most part, they are being ignored. If they were followed a significant portion of the island would be in jail.

    Does ignoring them make them null and void?

    Meanwhile we can continue a robust discussion on what is stated in the Bible….

  18. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    Just so that I understand this correctly

    We have a matter of “3) An act of โ€œserious indecencyโ€ is an act, whether natural or unnatural by a person involving the use of the genital organs for the purpose of arousing or gratifying sexual desire….”

    Is de ole man to unnerstan that for all the occasion the one has taken oneself in hand, whether publicly, or in the privacy of one’s home, and effected the natural? Act of Onan , or jerked off to be plain, that one can be charges, AND INCARCERATED, for arousing and gratifying sexual desire?

    That would mean technically 99.999% of Bajans should be locked up.

    In fact Jeff it might be the way to get rid of these DLP dufuses if you or Come Sing a Song or Caswell were to bring a case against them like that fellow did in Belize for jerking off publicly under the guise of effecting the work of government

  19. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @Piece, LOL -the act must be committed “towards another” but, as the teacher told Little Johnny, it shows that you are thinking. I cackled with laughter as I read through your contribution! ๐Ÿ™‚


  20. @ Jeff who wrote “(3) An act of โ€œserious indecencyโ€ is an act, whether natural or unnatural by a person involving the use of the genital organs for the purpose of arousing or gratifying sexual desire.”

    Does that mean natural sexual intercourse between a man and a woman who are not legally married is an act of “serious indecency”?


  21. @ Jeff, I agree with Bush Tea. Some Research on the Violet Beckles case would be great.

  22. Violet C Beckles Avatar
    Violet C Beckles

    Bush Tea August 14, 2016 at 8:55 AM #How about some research, and a paper on DEEDS claim that the Government of Barbados, with the connivance of multiple graduates of your institution, have stolen the rightful inheritance of one Violet Beckles โ€ฆwith the result that multiple landholdings in high-profile areas can not stand on a firm legal footingโ€ฆ?@@@

    Bush,
    Can you not tell on how Jeff writes or dont comment that he is also part of the problem ?
    My last clue was when the wrote about parties in Barbados but not know what CUP stands for,

    Jeff know well , they all talk to each other, the World is at their Doors, cut off the money like Bank of America,now in the top five as posted , soon they will can reach number 1.Barbados will soon be the next black hole in space,No more light,
    Bush they have the proof and WE now posting proof on CUP page little at a time, The World knows it just now for Bajan to see, know for self, All the history books of Bim needs a revisit,We are not just flying fish and SLAVERY, OR WAITING FOR WHITE PEOPLE TO LAND AT OUR PORTS TO FEED US,


  23. Yes, Jeff is part of the system that see unjust, but prefer to write about bull shite, just like Walter PPK Blackman


  24. A KEY reason why Bush Tea would like to see an informed academic study of DEED’S case is the inexplicable situation where the inheritances of Bajans – from the very fields and hills; to the utilities; the banks; the supermarkets; the hotels; the beer ….. shiite!!, even the very SUGER that made us great …have ALL been taken from us with absolutely NOTHING to show in return.

    Only KARMA normally has the ability to extract such precise and focused justice….. and knowing the inevitability of karma’s revenge, Bushie is tempted to conclude that we are paying a SERIOUS price for having deprived one of BBE’s ‘bush-persons’ of THEIR rightful inheritances…

    …and it sounds a LOT like Bush Violet….

    That Barbados – as a country – could sit idly by while Bush Violet was raped and left to suffer in poverty …by those in the society who were there to dispense JUSTICE …..and who were there because of FREE education in the first place…. is a POX on this whole damned country.

    It is instructive that Caswell is one of the VERY FEW who made any serious attempts to assist the victim….

    That Barbados is itself facing THE IDENTICAL rape by a number of the albino-centrics of this world should be no real surprise, cause ‘he who diggeth a well shall ALWAYS fall into it…”

    Bushie is now only awaiting an unbiased, intelligent, academic analysis – of the sort we have come to expect from Jeff – to confirm (or dispel) the bushman’s hypothesis…..


  25. Deeds,

    Who is or was Violet Beckles and what is her story?


  26. ‘To say of what is, that it IS*, or of what is NOT* that it is not, is TRUE.” Aristotle Metaphysics 1077b, 26.

  27. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Thanks, Watchman! What do you do when you see “unjust” (sic)?

    @Heather at 10:54pm, are you willing to fund my research into this private matter or is this just part of your your and Bush Tea’s proprietary editorializing of the blog content?

    Finally, has the Violet Beckles claim not been already determined by the court? Has the judgment been appealed? Will anyone answer?

    @Donna, where have you been?


  28. Jeff,

    I believe I was not around when Deeds fully made his case and his style confuses me. I would prefer a simple story with background details. Who was Violet Beckles and how did she come upon this inheritance. Was she a former slave or a member of the plantocracy?

  29. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    I will leave it to Deeds or David or Bush Tea to fill you in, but the essence of the claim is that she once owned many, if not most, of the plantations Barbados and that over the years sundry lawyers, most of some estimation, managed to steal, defraud her of or purloin her properties. I do not now recall how she came upon such substantial holdings.


  30. @ Jeff, as far as I am aware the matter was never heard in Court. This is be of interest to all the hiers of Violet Beckles. We should reach out to them to find out if they can afford to pay for thw research.
    It is time that some major effort is put into resolving this long outstanding claim. Bushie is quite right to state that everything is being taken away from Barbadians.
    From what I have gathered about this matter is that Beatrice was a remarkable woman who is fitting to be remembered in the history of Barbados. At present it is as though she never existed.
    I am absolutely positive the BU household would welcome your valued contribution in resolving the case of the Century.


  31. @ Jeff, if the heirs cannot afford to pay for the research, if David would pemit it we can have a fund raising effort to which I will contribute.


  32. If it is a case of merit, Jeff Cumberbatch would post initial analysis take it but I will presume to say a few things about this matter that we need to consider first.

    Philip ? I forget his last name composed a book which Amused hints is a confabulation or sorts which has undoubtedly made him not so favoured among the fraternity

    To take such a case, given where it would lead, if true, would be a career affecting move by Jeff.

    He would have to be assured of winning for failure would be devastating to his career.

    If, as Deeds purports, that we have collusion that spilled over multiple generations and Chief Justices, Chief Town Planners, Queens Counsels, lawyers, oligarchs and corporations, we would have such a seismic movement that it would shake up all Barbados.

    Would Angelique the Vampire be willing to stake her own job and livelihood on such a claim? why even now, prior to engaging, she has noticeably shifted the burden of responsibility from the first person singular, to the royal we that is common in her vacillations on any matter which means having skin in the game that might upset the political aspirations of her principals.

    There are some battles that you would do best not to fight as Spartacus of Thrace learnt in his last battle against the Romans.

    Would the Troika Herald protect Jeff s life under threat by a Baloney for instance via a petition from Murica? I think not!!


  33. Piece,

    Jeff would certainly be putting his life on the line, maybe literally. And also those of his family, if he has one. The decision should be his alone. Just as the decision to write with false names should be ours alone. The battle is not Jeff’s. The battle is OURS!


  34. @ Piece
    There are some battles that you would do best not to fight as Spartacus of Thrace learnt in his last battle against the Romans
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Recently, Bushie made the point that in order to have peace, we must pursue justice; in order to have wealth, we must give to the needy; in order to have ‘well-being’, we need to focus on the well being of others…… AND IN ORDER TO HAVE LIFE, WE MUST BE WILLING TO DIE….

    Your ongoing predisposition to preserve (y)our physical life at all costs is symbolic of the malady that pre-empts most Bajans from enjoying life as ‘true golden vessels’ rather than enduring living as brass bowls….

    Unless we are willing to die for righteousness, we must be prepared to live as brass bowl slaves….
    We all must die, but cowards die a thousand deaths….


  35. Precisely.


  36. On August 14 @ 12:08 pm the author of this article responded to Pieceof……. by stating that ‘HE’ ‘cackled with laughter’ Since when did COCKS cackle or is the author himself transitioning to a HEN?

    ac…where u at? Ms. Cumberbatch might just need ur help setting de wig and lip-stick for his next BU photo.

    And remember children when you go out in publick DON’T SHAKE MEN’S HANDS!


  37. @ Jeff
    I stated on BU many times a 7 standard school educated watchman like me have no influence on the higher educated persons like you in Barbados who see unjust but prefer to be silent and wait for a chance to join the oppressors, have you seen any other comment in this/your post that appeal to you for a comment, what you say about the discriminatory action by a top Civil Servant to a/any poor black man, please be minded, that the poor black man perception of a victim is real to him, more so, when not redressed

  38. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Heather, can one respectfully say that your reasoning is extremely disjointed as it relates to “the heirs cannot afford to pay for the research”. The person who prosecutes this matter here on BU and elsewhere certainly appears quite intellectually competent. If he/she has already affirmed their status as an heir to this alleged vast land wealth they certainly have it within their competence to seek any of various methods to finance their claims.

    For a man of Jeff’s avowed interest in social justice it should be instructive, pellucidly so, that he prefaced his remarks about doing research with queries about having his time rewarded. I don’t know the man personally but based on all that he has done here and his career to date he sees well grounded about balancing inequality even if it means giving his services freely so I interpret his attitude here that he firmly believes that these claims are bordering on bogus.

    So re your suggestion to seek funds from others to contribute to such a matter it should only be presented under terms as each contribution be a purchase share in any future successes for your ” case of the Century” That would be way of validating Jeff’s practical request for his cost of research in this murky matter

    If we take Deeds at his/her word that there are grave infelicities involved with these land matters can he/she (again) clarify a few basic questions before we start the crowd sourcing funding? If Violet acquired through intellect and foresight all these lands, how did she then become so indifferent in later years to allow the elites to squire her hard-fought gains from her grasp? And why did she allow the ‘deeds’ to be ‘non-registered’ or did not definitively bequeath them properly to ensure there were no doubts about future claims.

    Surely a savvy player as she was would have foresaw a future where these valuable lands would be fought over vigorously and her claims sought to be invalidated where possible.

    But switch gears and evoke Mr Barrack’s fight. When there is NO DOUBT about the validity of your claims and it’s only the power of the government to frustrate those claims that halts your progress, there are investors who are very willing to ‘buy’ those claims from you and ‘out-frustrate’ the government with their own legal and other resources.

    Thus in this modern life Deeds has many options to prosecute any real claims he/she may have. We can respect the energy and determination and we can learn from it as we did with that Barrack matter, but to fall back into a victimization mentality of everything “is being taken away from Barbadians” is unacceptable.

    We DO have the power to redress that.

  39. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    To cackle is to laugh in a loud, harsh way.

    Your dad’s jokes might be so bad that they’re funny, making you cackle every time.

    @Mr Hopi, for your enlightenment!


  40. @ Dribbler
    With every post you highlight your ignorance of Bajan REALITY.
    If you think that it is possible for an individual to win a matter in our Courts just because they have the ‘right’ and some means, that you are wasting our time with your comments.

    MANY, MANY well-to-do Bajans, some intelligent enough to hold their own on BU (and THAT says quite a lot) have been frustrated and ROBBED by our courts now -either by delay (their preferred tactic) or by deliberately or maliciously flawed decisions….

    The comments by the CCJ – in many of these cases that reach that level (eventually), should be enough to testify to Bushie’s point…

    If you (or anyone else) think that a simple looking old lady – with potentially HUNDREDS Of MILLIONS in property, could walk into our justice system and come out unscathed …then you do not understand what happened to John Griffiths under the distinguished hands of the Speaker of our Honourable house….


  41. Dribbler,

    That’s why I asked who was Violet Beckles and how did she come by such an inheritance. If she was a member of the white plantocracy, I care not. If she was a former slave or descendant thereof I’d like to know how she acquired that much property. Was she the illegitimate child of a massa gone soft in his old age? I cannot take these claims seriously without background details.

  42. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Bush Tea, may you recall for the readership just one, no more, of those “deliberately or maliciously flawed” decisions? How would you recognize it if it came up to you and slapped you around your head?


  43. @Mr. Cumberbatch…. What is enlightening about cackling which is usually associated with hens? You must really be transitioning!

    When the Americans and Brits start enforcing Beastiality laws will you come on BU and espouse the pros and cons such rights as well? Do you have the balls to ensure that the FTC is unbiased?


  44. @ Donna

    I am tempted to say “let Google be your friend” but just put in her name here in the search box and you will see the volumes that attend her matter, though I am not sure of her history or pedigree

    @ Brother Bush Tea.

    Left to the ole man I would choose to cry some battle cry while moving to the next plain but my narrative was not for self, it was a perspective that is based on being wiser because of personal experiences around certain subjects.

    My narrative is quite plain actually.

    If I am in a mini bus and a man steps in and proceeds to stab me or my family, he is dead, or I am dead or severely incapacitated

    If same man steps in and attacks child, without thinking he or I will be a victim of some bodily harm or death or both.

    In circumstances where he attacks an adult female I notch it down a little and assess options and with a male it is a process.

    The point that I would seek to make is that for me, I know fight as my first response where you or others do the ratchet down first and escalate later.

    I “see” that clearly in how other people engage because they weigh the pros and cons.

    My pronouncements here about the 30.07s, nor Nazim Blackett nor Mugabe Mottley know no such fear for there was where I ventured while others kept safe in their own narrative because the might fear the Troika, The extrajudicial actions of the police or the caliber of the 30.07

    Jeff as a man is one to be admired, as is Leigh Trotman, as is Caswell Franklyn but they are men who while radical in their own right show constraints in their actions that can be construed in hindsight to be 20/20 or cowardice.

    Spartacus has beaten the 6000 strong legion and reached the alps and freedom, there was no need to turn back and fight, such is the nature that some of us are afforded in other homes, we do not need to turn a stay here to fight the ironic three legions that he faced.

    The legion of the DLP and that of the Troika BLP and that of the BU legion AC.

    A SC check to live on and GI Bill to bury the corpse so why turn to die?

    You must think I am blowing air up your pooch when I say that you bring me much consternation with your talks about Brassbowls but the thing is, after reading you and Pachamama and Well Well And De Word and Donna and others, you stop, arrested on the verge of all that you are doing and wonder what the ef am I doing?

    I am going to show you something that I was typing from 4 o’clock this morning on this ipad


  45. @ The BU Family and the Honourable Blogmaster

    I have started a series of “Stoopid Cartoons” called “The Santa Clause List – Naughty or Nice”

    I have borrowed the Paling Cock from the Blogmaster and dressed them up as Santa.

    It represents Assinine and is a tribute to her wisdom and foresight in speaking out contra the stooped posters and giving such sterling support for the campaign.

    They must be really angry with her when the see that the idea that Well Well and Consequences had about corruption generated 3,000 views and 1,500 direct downloads and 6,500 “on-sends” (term for 2nd tier resends via the 1500)

    The List I propose is in keeping with that famous song “he’s making a list he’s checking it twice he knows who has been naughty or nice ..” Will highlight a four or five point list of the major egregious tiefing actions or incompetencies of each minister, or senator or DLP representative

    The objective is to create a number of small form memes that list each of their fowl ups and puts a face to that person for use by their respective opponents in their broadcasts via email and other media which Alex M and Steven W should by now have suggested.

    I doubt though that they have the mechanism to do it cost effectively like de ole man do though heheheheheh

    Dat be stage two of de campaign heheheheh

    Some suggestions on how to make it orderly would be.

    ONLY POST YOUR SUGGESTED TEXT IN THE POSTER CAMPAIGN SECTION HERE ON BU.

    MAKE THE ITEMS SHORT

    DO NOT DO REPEATS, BY THAT I MEAN IF CAHILL IS ALREADY MENTIONED AS A DEMERIT FOR LOWE DONT PUT IT THERE AGAIN

  46. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @Mr Hopi,

    I shall not discuss FTC matters in this forum.

    So you heard that “cackling” was associated with hens and nothing will change your mind? I sought merely to expand your learning of the etymology of the word!


  47. @Jeff Cumberbatch……I did not ask you to discuss FTC matters here. I asked 1 simple question now I’ll make it 2…Do you have the balls to ensure FAIRNESS and should the day arrive when you are compromised in your capacity (money talks and bullshit walks) will you stand up and walk away and hold onto your “intergrity?”

    BTW I happen to be one of the “UNEDUCABLE” ones on BU so you cannot remove the cackle from the HEN and as a man you must stop being so bitchy…yet another characteristic of a HEN or is it a COCK in transition!


  48. I stopped and cut it because of a few things.

    I am sure of what the Stoopid Cartoons will do but I paused because of what the outcome of the Campaign will be.

    We are going to elect “another tribe of self centered egoistical monkeys” who have shown us nothing to differentiate them from these lot

    Eight years yet there is no Statement of Net Worth from not one of these Opposition Swine, not one, including Mugabe!!!

    Two it is BU and I am very much afraid of suggesting things that present the very thing we would guard against yet, we are where we are, among the planet of the apes.

    I look 5 years down the road, even ten years, with the abject hatred that our citizens have for the most inept government we have ever had with a majority HoA and a Mugabe and I say WTF!!!

    So you see de old man predicament??

    text messages that replace posters on your guard wall?

    Billboards that CANNOT BE CUT DOWN!!!

    You understanding me??

    This is the legacy of David Thompson – a veritable wasteland and more importantly this is the legacy of 50 years of Independence a nation of people led by two tribes of monkeys (I got that term from another blogger earlier)

  49. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @Hopi,

    I will not argue with you what constitutes bitchiness. I bow to your superior knowledge there. And yes, should the day arrive when I am compromised in my capacity, for whatever reason, my integrity will be the paramount consideration.


  50. Some research on Deeds case ..sounds great. But who would pay for the research and would be be the researchers. Independant inquires are not cheap and govt involvement would not be welcomed.

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