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A BU repost from elsewhere because it should be a matter of public interest if for the only reason that it exposes our hypocrisy – Barbados Underground

prositutionThere may be more explanations than one for the deafening public silence that has followed the recent suggestion from Professor Kamala Kempadoo of York University that prostitution should be decriminalized in the region and, since we are included in that region, should be decriminalized in Barbados.

While delivering the Sir Arthur Lewis Distinguished Lecture for 2016 under the auspices of the eponymous Institute for Social and Economic Studies (SALISES), the professor asserted, “…the decriminalization of prostitution would go a long way towards making the sex trade a safer place to work and could eliminate underhand deals, extortions, false promises, criminalization of sex workers by immigration, smuggling of persons…It could allow working women to get access to State protection, health care and rights…”

Among the several explanations for the subsequent silence is the fact that many Barbadians may be astounded at the need to “decriminalize” a practice that is widely connived at and, given local knowledge, is not at all the subject of rigorous official proscription by the state. Indeed, to many of the populace, prostitution is already criminalized if not partially legalized.

It might also be the case that, as with other modern calls for decriminalization –of consensual homosexual acts between adult males in private and of marijuana, the seemingly cultural Barbadian trait of justifying the status quo as optimal immediately kicks in to resist even the suggestion of amendment. Moreover, as Professor Kempadoo rightly noted, there is much moral indignation and stigma that surrounds sexual inclinations.

It may be, therefore, that while there is general ignorance concerning the legalities of prostitution, any suggestion that the status quo should be altered to the further legitimization of the practice is definitely not to be supported.

The truth is that Barbados appears officially to have adopted the stance that while prostitution may be an inescapable reality of human interaction, it prefers to embrace the so-called “abolitionist ” approach; whereby the clandestine sale of sex may be permitted, but all related commercial activities (solicitation, living off the earnings of a prostitute, the keeping of a brothel and procurement) are criminalized by statute.

This does, of course, present a dilemma for us since we generally tend to view the activity of prostitution as sinful, at least overtly, and not in keeping with our claimed Christian values. At the same time, the absence of rigorous enforcement of the law, except perhaps in the context of immigration regulation, belies our moral indignation.

The decriminalization of prostitution for us would thus entail the removal of the criminal sanction from those related activities mentioned above, a phenomenon that we are not certain would meet with popular support, especially since they are all directed to the protection of the prostitute from exploitation.

Professor Kempadoo’s thesis is premised on the argument that sex for economic security in the region is often a “strategy that keeps families and communities afloat” and “effects many other areas of income generation and small business opportunities”, including “hair and nail services”.

We are in no position to gainsay the validity of the professor’s assertions, although we consider that her proposals are much better suited to a jurisdiction that criminalizes the act of prostitution itself. Barbados currently does not.

There may be room for an argument that the stigma and discrimination that the members of this profession attract is to be regretted, although further research may be needed to establish the extent to which these unjustifiably prevent access to public health care and to the enjoyment of civic entitlements.


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116 responses to “Prostitution as Legitimate Business”


  1. do good


  2. TheGazer April 10, 2016 at 1:59 PM #
    let us abandon our sophistry our different constructs and deal with the situation at hand. The prostitution of this article is not conducted in a test tube or on a casting couch. What we need to address is how legalization would affect the lives of those who are engaged in the sex trade. How it would allow these workers to speak up when they are being victimized. How they would be able to seek proper health care in a more open manner; and the impact it would have on the criminal element that is an active part of the sex trade.

    And also add that men like you would no longer have the need to feel shame on guilt…. after years of sneaking out in dead of night to visit your favorite play ground in the disgusting world of prostitution ,
    I suspect Vincent would be all gong Ho on approval because of his torrid and insatiable lust and approval of naked women walking the streets of barbados but you Gazer i always though u were a prude of the bush tea pesusaion nuff talk but no bite ouch

  3. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    AC…you should start following the MPs of DBLP at night and see who they visit, you wont be shocked or surprised….that is called being a hypocrite.


  4. @ AC
    “…but you Gazer i always though u were a prude of the bush tea pesusaion nuff talk but no bite”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    If only you knew 🙂
    What do you think has Islandgal so low keyed..?
    Umm is de whacker….

  5. fortyacresandamule Avatar
    fortyacresandamule

    Sometimes I wonder, if human beings in rich western societies have peaked evolution wise. And now what is taking place is evolution in reverse. Zero shame , moral bankruptcy, and no dignity is the new social order in these societies….signs of lower primate behaviour. They are a prisoner of money and flesh. Not too long, they will be throwing their feaces at each other.


  6. TheGazer April 10, 2016 at 1:59 PM #

    How it would allow these workers to speak up when they are being victimized. How they would be able to seek proper health care in a more open manner;
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
    Perhaps they will take a cue from the French prostitutes who had a grievance some time ago, which the French Government was reluctant to get involved with. That is, until these ladies got out their little black books , which listed their clients.
    Some years ago the young British Medic Dr Charles Schlossberg gave a warning to Barbados, about the prevalence of HIV / AIDS in Barbados, after he had conducted a personal survey of patients whom he had treated at the Sir Winston Scott Polyclinic. Some of the top medical gurus in Barbados at the time ‘rubbished’ Schlossberg’s findings, stating that it was lopsided, as most of the patients Dr Schlossberg had dealt with were prostitutes. That was in 1990, some 25 years ago,and we got it then, on good authority, that Prostitutes were regularly being treated at one medical facility, at least.


  7. Vincent Haynes April 10, 2016 at 3:08 AM #
    I lived in a city in Europe, which unlike many other cities had quite a few cathedrals, in fact its very name means Cathedral.This is one holy city. Outside of the city, every farmhouse had a crucifix and /or a statue of Jesus in the driveway. This was a city where one Bishop was so powerful,that during World War 2 he stood up to Hitler and prevented him from building barracks inside the city proper. This was a city that up until recently, advised many of its operators of places of entertainment to ban British troops from their premises.
    This is the same city which collected tax and issued health licenses to prostitutes operating in back street , not far from the city center.

  8. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ fortyacresandamule April 10, 2016 at 9:19 PM
    “Sometimes I wonder, if human beings in rich western societies have peaked evolution wise. And now what is taking place is evolution in reverse. Zero shame , moral bankruptcy, and no dignity is the new social order in these societies….signs of lower primate behaviour.”

    There was NEVER a time in human history that the ‘social’ evolutionary defects to which you refer did not exist.
    There is no anthropological evidence to back your claim of human beings- the so-called social alpha primates- ever having ‘shame’, ‘moral’ surpluses and ‘dignity’ in abundance.

    On the contrary, there is evidence the reverse holds true. Man today is an “improved” social animal when compared to his cave dwelling ancestors.

    Life today is not as “Nasty, Brutish and Short” as it was of ‘Hobbesian’ days of yore.


  9. Nah to decriminalizing.

    I would like for Bajan prostitutes to become as well educated as Profesor Kempadoo.

    And then…

    and then they would be well compensated for talking sh!te.


  10. @de pedantic Dribbler April 10, 2016 at 7:24 AM “Or is it that John calls Mary and she invites him to her place.”

    No.

    Mary does not invite John anyplace.

    This is how it goes. John calls Mary ans asks for a piece.

    Since Mary is not his wife, nor staunch woman nor girlfriend and since John knows that he does not want her for his wife, nor staunch woman nor girlfriend he understands very well that he has to pay.

    Why would anybody give that dawg a freeness?


  11. All ‘o wunna menses talking about how wunna so liberal and such, but i bet not one ‘o wunna want your daughter to be a whore.

    So if being a whore isn’t good enough for your daughter…why is it good enough for mine?


  12. I mean sex is alright and everything. But I am still amazed that people are willing to pay for something that is available for free to any person of normal intelligence.

  13. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Lol…


  14. SS what you saying AC not getting any? How do you know prostitutes are not as educated as the prof. I am not sure that prostitution is a sign of intelligence but more of circumstance. If anyone thinks marriage is not an exchange of protection for sex think again. At least prostitutes are honest about it, and again the money given to prostitutes isn’t for the sex but that they wont stay the night.

  15. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    David April 10, 2016 at 11:31 AM #

    How does inviting me to read Paulo help??
    At my age you should have gathered by now that my thinking is based on what I have experienced/seen/have first hand knowledge off and note as I have stated before I am not trying to convert anyone.

  16. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a door mat or a prostitute.”
    —Rebecca West, “Mr Chesterton in Hysterics: A Study in Prejudice,” The Clarion, 14 Nov. 1913, reprinted in The Young Rebecca, 1982

    I, like most feminists-in-training, have seen this quotation before. I heard it before when I was young and just beginning to come into my own with feminism. But only recently did I learn that “or a prostitute” was part of the sentiment expressed. Lovely — ‘cause prostitutes and feminists are on opposite sides, right?

    Well, guess what, Rebecca West, Andrea Dworkin, and Julie Bindel: listen up. I’m a feminist and a prostitute. Yup, I peddle in sex and sexual expression. I spread my legs for money, too, sometimes. I wear red lipstick and high heels and talk dirty. Sometimes I wrap my body in corsets and leather. Sometimes I wear Converse sneakers and jeans. I run my show the way I want it to be run, and I don’t roll over and play feminine fantasy mistress.

    As a pro-domme I never had sex with my clients, something pretty typical of professional BDSM, which isn’t full-service sex work. As a prostitute I rarely did kink with my clients, because my clients were kind of nervous about doing kink with someone who didn’t advertise specifically for that. In London I ended up deciding that my ideal was to ditch both idealized models and be a kinky girlfriend experience, allowing me to do what I really liked: a bit of both. My job satisfaction increased dramatically with that assertion of my agency and my refusal to indulge the dichotomy, something that feels safe for other sex workers but felt stifling to me. In this piece I say “pro-domme” and “prostitute” interchangeably to embrace all three of my experiences in the profession; of course, other workers’ limits vary.

    Do I sell sex? Yes. Do I sell a perfectly manicured, patriarchy-approved, domme dream figure? Um… no.

    Looking over the comments on my last piece, I was amused and saddened to see that people thought that I was glamorizing the work, and yet I was someone no one decent wanted to be around. I haven’t found that to be true, of course, but that stigma is part of what keeps sex workers marginalized and at risk for assault, rape, and murder. Abusers know they can get away with hurting sex workers, because society says sex workers have no self-worth and are isolated. I was told multiple times that sex workers have a lifespan of 34 years — maybe it has something to do with the way people treat sex workers as less than human, including within the comments on pieces about sex work. And some of the worst comments have come from other feminists, women who feel they have a right somehow to gaslight me, tell me I’m worthless, and treat me like an enemy, not like another woman, and all so that we “think of the poor victims“ instead of thinking how those funds are misappropriated by people in power to line their own pockets. Funny that.

    One of the major complaints I’ve run into as a feminist and a sex worker is that I’m adding to the objectification of female bodies as commodities. One excellent and now ex-blogger Bitchy Jones used to write a lot about this, about how professional dominatrixes ruined femdom for female dominants by feeding into the passivity of “my pretty is my worth.” Or, to quote:

    Dominant women are beautiful. And that’s why the guy gets on his knees. That is what he worships. Her beauty. I don’t just mean in porn — I mean the whole “story” of femdom runs along these lines.
    
    It’s pretty interesting that, where men have decided to allow women to have “power” for their own wanky needs, that this is the kind of power they choose to give her. The power of being desired. A completely passive power.
    
    And I’ve told you before dominant sexuality is all about *desiring*. Dominant sexuality is active — not passive.
    
    *Wanting* not being wanted.
    
    *Demanding* not being demanded.
    
    But the beautiful Amazon thing is woven into the fabric of femdom (black PVC — since you ask).
    

    And:

    This particular beauty myth — it’s the whole *dominatrix* industry really. That f*cking web of misogyny. It’s wrapped in this your-pretty-is-your-worth shit. The way prodom/fetish modelling/fetish art/fetish f*cking cabaret twists my sexuality to fit it into their saleable-commodity box, by telling me it’s about beauty, still hurts me over and over though.
    

    Now, I get what she’s saying here. Definitely. That said, I feel like it’s a myth that’s been making the rounds, that you have to fit a certain type of beauty to be financially viable as a sex worker. I have not found that to be the case, and, looking at other pro-domme websites, there are a lot of body types and ethnicities, along with a variety in ages, and of all the types of sex work where you have face-to-face contact, pro-domming is probably the least likely to judge you on your looks; instead, you’re likely to be judged on your reputation and skills.

    I think that in our consumerist society, we tend to judge people on what we think they’re worth an awful lot, whatever their profession. I mean, I can’t show up to the office wearing whatever I want, not having brushed my hair or teeth; no matter where you work, looking presentable is generally required. I don’t think that’s limited to sex work. But sex work is older than consumerism. It used to be sacred. And honestly, if I was in an environment where my housing and food needs were taken care of in a quality way, and if I didn’t need money to get by the way we do now, I’d be a sacred whore, doing it for the energy and the exchange, not for the money.

    But I don’t live in that society. I need to put food on the table. If I want to be able to improve my life and quality of living, I need to make moola. I choose to do sex work, where I set my price and hours and vacation time myself (particularly in the U.S., where we have one of the lowest vacation time minimums in the Western world). I say, “This is what an hour of my time is worth to me,” and if a person disagrees, they call someone else. That’s OK. It narrows down whom I see into a bunch of folks who appreciate me in ways I would never be appreciated in the office cubicle world. And I have the control. I get to decide how I want to budget, whom I see and when, whom to be polite to, and whom to decline.

    I didn’t have that right when I was an admin.

    As an independent sex prostitute (something that offers me a lot of privilege, as does being white, educated, and middle class) I get to decide whom to see, so during my sessions, we tend to explore queer sexuality. My sexuality, mind; most of my clients are straight men, or at least thought they were when we started! And rarely, if ever, has it been about penis-in-vagina sex; men don’t come to me for that, because I demand more out of them. (And Bitchy Jones, it’s not that I don’t like sex; I do, but really, I need sex to be more interesting than just PIV to be hot for me, partner or punter.) I expect them to challenge their assumptions of what makes male and female, what is appropriate and what isn’t. We discuss and explore power: who has it, and how, and why. I enjoy demonstrating that penetration is not a male act, or even something only men enjoy. I enjoy discussing sex, and gender and class. I like to help men in positions of power rethink femininity and feminism. My work is intellectually stimulating and challenging, and it uses my brainpower more than any other job I’ve had.

    And yeah, I also like sex, and I like sex with men. How does that make me less of a feminist? As a sex worker, I set terms, I create clear and defined boundaries. Sex work has taught me how to say “no” and stick to it, including in my relationship with my fiancé. I don’t see how that can possibly not be empowering for someone like me.

    I am sick and tired of having to explain that, yeah, I do all that and I support women’s rights. Yeah, I do feel empowered. I put on my lipstick not as an expression of femininity but as a queer femme. Don’t take that agency away from me. I put on lipstick not because I feel less sexy without it or because men insist (I don’t see the sort of men who would, though they do exist). I put on lipstick as an accessory, a piece of armor that tempts and marks me as “other.” Lipstick is just the beginning of how I mark you as mine. It is part of my ritual. It is as much a part of calling down the Goddess for me as my bath or meditation before a session. My makeup is part of my process, and no, it’s not for the client. It’s for me. Who has the right to take that from me?

    Over and over again, the people who seem to think they have the right to tell me to shut up and sit down are other feminists. Crazy, I know, that one group of women who claim they want to give women a voice make an awful lot of effort to hush women who have opposing opinions, particularly marginalized ones. It’s not the first time privileged women have silenced other women “for their own good.”

    Last year I came back from Burning Man to find in my inbox an article written by the incredibly pompous Julie Bindel in G3 (a free U.K. lesbian mag) about how lesbian strippers are leading women to “act like men” and be abusive or some such. “Even lesbians who don’t give a toss about feminism should at least care about women being abused by other women!” she cries in an inflammatory op-ed piece. Included in her wrath, of course, is how San Francisco made things like lesbian sex workers, S/M, and porn acceptable when it isn’t and can never be. I can’t help but think she must not have come to San Francisco ever in her life. What would she say about the unionized Lusty Lady, the activist Scarlot Harlot, queer indie porn studio Pink and White Productions, Dr. Carol Queen, the Sex Workers Outreach Project? To suggest we are in need of rescue or insulting our intelligence seems distinctly anti-feminist to me.

    I found out one possibility of how Julie would respond when I traveled to Edinburgh and ended up at the feminist gathering Ladyfest. My couch host was running something called “A Dialogue on Sex Work,” and I was going to tag along and learn a little on how things around sex work were going within the feminist community in Scotland. They had broken off of the Ladyfest schedule, as the money raised from Ladyfest was going to Zero Tolerance, which seeks to eradicate sex work completely (including pornography) because of their belief that it’s violence against women by nature. Expect a post deconstructing that idea soon!

    Anyway, it turned out that the speaker from London hadn’t gotten a ticket yet, so they asked me to speak. With three hours to prepare, of course I said yes.

    So I stood there, in my Lusty Lady T-shirt, speaking out about being a sex worker, a punter, a watcher of porn, and a feminist. Only one women seemed like she wanted to rip me apart; surprise, surprise, she was from Zero Tolerance. She asked me if I felt that I, as a white, middle-class, privileged woman, had a right to speak for sex workers. I pointed out that maybe she, as a white, middle-class, privileged woman, didn’t have the right to speak for all feminists. I also suggested that perhaps minority women, particularly sex workers, didn’t come to these events since A) they never hear about them, as the advertising isn’t anywhere near where they are, and B) they’re working women and are a bit busy trying to survive! I suspect many feminists forget just how privileged “feminism” is, how white, middle-class, and cisgender people have pushed out everyone else.

    Frankly, it doesn’t really matter whether someone else wants to “approve” my feminism. I don’t need anyone’s approval. That’s what women’s rights taught me. I may get misrepresented by the media. I may get slagged off by moralistic people. But I will demand acknowledgment. I am a feminist, and a whore.

    And I exist.
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  17. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    I do apolgise for doing a Zoe with the above long post but thought it would be informative for Simple Simon to understand a coin has many sides.

  18. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    There are certain topics that do not deserve discussion and this is one of them. Whether prostitution is legalized or not, there will always be prostitution in all forms and at all levels. This is one of those topics that do not deserve all this deep analysis discussion.


  19. The Dutch have the right approach, walk through the streets of Amsterdam and its right before your eyes all legal and subject to health tests and they pay taxes to boot.

    The Dutch even subsidise the payment of sex services for disabled people, now who would deny them that? What this does to the rest of Dutch society I don’t know but the Dutch also have one of the best social programs for the elderly in Europe so it must be a caring society.

    http://mic.com/articles/85201/the-surprising-way-the-netherlands-is-helping-its-disabled-have-sex#.RHlK3y1sU


  20. Not surprised that men would support legislation that would in effect support expoiltation of the female body. The last and only form of control that men can used aggressively to control the female mind !soul !and body a destructive control that weakens the female selfesteem and depletes them of any selfworth. Men u ought to be ashamed of self


  21. @AC

    Prostitution has many different forms, one of my mum’s best friend has a large house with three apartments one of which was occupied by a “sweet young thing”, but you know who was paying the tab for the apartment? Certainly not the young female but some big up who was well known locally, no one rides for free.


  22. @Well Well & Consequences April 10, 2016 at 7:53 PM “AC…you should start following the MPs of DBLP at night and see who they visit.”

    Dear Well Well: Why do you want to turn ac into a voyeur?


  23. It is truly amazing and of significant importance how it took so many years of mental and social transformation for men to come to terms and understand a woman self worth one being equal partners on the job equalityfor pay equality with a determination to be in leadrship positions.yet today there are still men convinced that breaking those barriers are more importance as they lead the charges that degrade and attacks women self worth by use of coded words and subliminal information


  24. @lawson April 11, 2016 at 6:15 AM “If anyone thinks marriage is not an exchange of protection for sex think again.”

    Poor foolish me. I thought that marriage was intended as a safe place in which to raise the next generation. And that great sex is the bonus we enjoy for the hard work of child raising.

    But I am only a

    Simple Simon

    What do I know.


  25. I don’t see many “Johns” out there raising their children with their favourite prostitute.


  26. @Vincent Haynes April 11, 2016 at 6:53 AM “I set my price and hours and vacation time myself (particularly in the U.S., where we have one of the lowest vacation time minimums in the Western world).”

    Perhaps the whores should join or lead the trade unions and lead the fight for a reasonable period of vacation for everybody, whore or not.

    Because why are U.S> workers labouring under a 2 week vacation period even while the 1% stash their billions of billions of extra cash in Panama?


  27. http://www.peterberkowitz.com/otherpeoplesmothers.htm
    Other People’s mothers

    What is the best thing to do with other people’s elderly, disabled and expensive mothers? Euthanasia?

    And what do we do with our own mothers? The best nursing home that we and our state’s resources can afford/

    And how do we treat our own daughters? University professor perhaps?

    And how do we treat to other people’s daughters? Whore?


  28. The more postive strides women make it is as if some men cannot resist any negative opportunity to destroy woman character . This balony about descriminalizing prostitution is in itself an affront to demoralize woman while putting men back in an area of sexual control a place of sexual and illicit gratification a place where men always belive they had a divine right of entitlement

  29. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ ac April 11, 2016 at 10:58 AM #
    “It is truly amazing and of significant importance how it took so many years of mental and social transformation for men to come to terms and understand a woman self worth one being equal partners on the job equalityfor pay equality with a determination to be in leadrship positions.yet today there are still men convinced that breaking those barriers are more importance as they lead the charges that degrade and attacks women self worth by use of coded words and subliminal information..”

    Well said, ac!
    None of us fair-minded people on BU could have put it better. So next time you are vilifying and decrying Mia Mottley in true DLP yard-fowl fashion you should look into the mirror, say three “Hail Marys” and repeat the above as a soliloquy to cleanse your filthy conscience continuously filled with hypocrisy.


  30. Sorry Miller the jury is still out as to which gender Mia represnts. Sorry ole goat to burst your bubble.

  31. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ ac April 11, 2016 at 12:44 PM
    The more postive strides women make it is as if some men cannot resist any negative opportunity to destroy woman character .

    There you go , ac! First ‘Hail Mary’ out of your confessional box. We always thought you were a “Man” of the type prepared to destroy a ‘woman’s character’.

    Now do the second “Hail Mary’ and admit the DLP is just a bunch of incompetent lying bastards bent on destroying your once sweet country.


  32. Simple Simon
    Regardless of what we wish for our daughters or sons, some of them will not meet our expectations. That is a fact of life. The question therefore is ” How can we widen the tent so that we protect all of our children?”

    I understand your feelings, but bear in mind that we are not talking of aliens but of people who are already here and walking among us. If not legalization, what is your solution?

  33. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    Simple Simon April 11, 2016 at 11:26 AM #

    To each their own…..who are we to judge or condemn……..I think you know about the casting the first stone analogy…

  34. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    SS….that would just be an extension of the voyeuristic duties AC performs on BU.


  35. @ac
    I read what you said. Sometimes I get the impression that you believe we are discussing a hypothetical situation or that it is a man versus woman problem. What we are discussing is not hypothetical or new; in fact, as many have pointed out, it is one of our oldest problem.
    Let’s tackle and solve it.


  36. @Vincent Haynes April 11, 2016 at 2:18 PM “To each their own…..who are we to judge or condemn……..I think you know about the casting the first stone analogy…”

    Not casting any stones Vincent.

    Just trying to ask pertinent questions in the hope of eliciting sensible answers.

    From time to time, especially in a recession (I recall that the late Branford Taitt raised legal prostitution as a solution even while he was a Cabinet Minister) we hear this talk about permitting women (and the smaller number of men who work as prostitutes in Barbados) to legally earn their living by prostitution.

    My question is are we not letting the political class off too easily?

    Are we not letting the capitalist class (those with plenty of money here and even more hidden off shore too easily?

    Should not the political class and the capitalist class (that is those who reap most benefits in any society) be made to work harder, be more creative, should not we the people demand better for our daughters and grand daughters that to aspire to be whores?


  37. Wunna understand that when this talk about prostitution arises they who propose it mean your daughters, wives, granddaughters, and sisters too?

    Today it might be “them”

    Tomorrow it might be “us”


  38. @ Simple Simon
    LOl … you seem to have tossed a cat in among the ‘legalize’ pigeons with your admonition to “do unto others as you would have done to your sister and mommy….”

    Works every time…. even when they are driven by the money/materialism thing that says that the most cost effective approach is to legalize, it all seems so different when the shoes are on THEIR feet …or in this case, their mom’s and little sister’s…..

    Of course, those driven by a philosophy that puts GOD and country before self would do ALL in their power to help potential prostitutes to avoid that lifestyle altogether …by providing education, guidance, support and love ..just as they would do for a favorite sister.. and they would suffer with those who still fell into the trap – like they would for a favorite little sister…


  39. Kempadoo is a Grenadian is she not? She must know then that prostitutes are not denied medical care in Barbados. Any man or woman can show up at any polyclinic in Barbados and be treated for whatever ails them.

    I have used the polyclinic services in Barbados for many decades and at no time has anybody ever asked me what I do for a living.

    At the polyclinics nobody cares whether you are a prince, prelate, prime minister or pope.

    Why do we insist in letting foreigners demand we implement solutions to problems which we have long solved or which do not exist?

    Maybe in other places prostitutes are denied care because they are prostitutes but I have NEVER heard of any denial of care to any Bajan based on the kind of work the patient does.


  40. Usually, I agree with the Bushman.
    Having difficulty understanding him…
    Some are already here with us. Watchu gonna do???


  41. B@ush Tea April 11, 2016 at 2:47 PM @ Simple Simon LOl … you seem to have tossed a cat in among the ‘legalize’ pigeons with your admonition to “do unto others as you would have done to your sister and mommy….”

    It is my duty to toss the cat about the pigeons (figuratively) of course) Lol!!!

    Or as I call it asking pertinent questions in order to elicit sensible answers. Lol!!!

    But truly I try to hold onto one law.

    Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart…

    And

    Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

    As the mother and grandmother of daughters I have no wish to see any of them working as whores, university professor, capitalist merchant, prime minister, pope or something so is more what I am thinking.

    And the same for my neighbors daughters and grand daughters who can be the Cabinet Ministers etc.


  42. @TheGazer April 11, 2016 at 2:51 PM “Some are already here with us. Watchu gonna do???”

    You Gazer can brighter the corner where you are by…

    keeping thy money and thy parts in thy pants.


  43. If wunna men think it is so important for unemployed or underemployed women to have money why can’t wunna give them some of your money?

    Why do you have to ask for or expect sex in return?

    Prostitution is NOT about making for money…it is about making sex or extra sex available to men.

    because if it was only about money every man in the world would be pushing for a just child support system, every man would be pushing education and every man would be pushing job creation.

    We could also use the tax system to create and distribute a minimum guaranteed annual income, so that everyone, men and women and children too can eat, and not have to sleep outdoors or do without medical care.


  44. Wunna are talking about prostituting our wives, daughters and grand daughters when some a wunna won’t even support your toddlers?

    when some ‘o wunna boast that wunna “never pay a cent in income tax ’bout in Barbados yet” ?

    when even presently women and your children bunking ’bout at all kinda strangers place and the government has $36 million in an emergency fund bank account for more that 10 years now and won’t spend a blasted cent of it?

    Wunna want me to go on?


  45. SS…a safe place to raise the next generation lol…..only a woman can be sure she is raising your next generation


  46. @Simple Simon April 11, 2016 at 3:02 PM #

    Correction
    As the mother and grandmother of daughters I have no wish to see any of them working as whores. University professor, capitalist merchant, prime minister, pope or something so is more what I am thinking.


  47. @lawson April 11, 2016 at 3:21 PM “SS…a safe place to raise the next generation lol…..only a woman can be sure she is raising your next generation.”

    Lawson in the grand scheme of things it does not matter whether or not the next generation is literally yours or if you like a certain Archbishop of Canterbury discovers thy daddy ain’t your daddy.

    The important this is to ensure that somebody is there to wipe our sorry @sses when we can no longer do it ourselves.

    it does not matter whether that somebody is my son or your daughter.

    get over yourself


  48. @lawson April 11, 2016 at 3:21 PM “SS…a safe place to raise the next generation lol…..only a woman can be sure she is raising your next generation

    If God wanted wunna to know he would have told ya…the fact is for millions of years you did not know, because speaking in biological terms there is no need for you to know.

    I’ve heard men enough say that “the child that ain’t my child is my best child.”

    As I said get over yourself.


  49. @Simple Simon April 11, 2016 at 3:20 PM “Wunna talking about prostituting our wives, daughters and grand daughters when some ‘o wunna extract concession after consession from the over burdened tax payers.

    Wunna want me to go on?


  50. @Simple Simon April 11, 2016 at 2:41 PM
    Correction:

    From time to time, especially in a recession (I recall that the late Branford Taitt raised legal prostitution as a solution even while he was drawing a big fat a Cabinet Minister’s salary from outta de tax payers pocket)

    Wunna want me to go on?

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