Christ Church West Affair: Dr. Maria Agard’s Press Conference
Dr. Maria Agard, Christ Church West M.P.
On November 22nd 2015 I learnt of my expulsion from the Barbados Labour Party, an institution I served with diligence and distinction for 17 years.
That the decision made by the National Council of the […]
Barbados Labour Party could so hastily and precipitously sever all relationship with one of its few
successful representatives in the House of Assembly has confused and disturbed, not just a Party or a Constituency but an entire nation of right thinking Barbadians.
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@ De Ingrunt Word,
“sophistry” (amused) and “concatenated” ( Piece uh de rock yeah right )
@ De Ingrunt Word……. add to ” prolix ” in your vocabulary. lol
I gine pun de Diaspora Corner and watch de Sax video by Fleur…….again.
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Sargeant December 5, 2015 at 11:48 AM #
dONT BOTH TEA AND COFFEE CONTAIN CAFFEINE?
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@ Sargeant at 12:03 ..”Sez who? Are you one of those Bajans who remain captivated by her seemingly extemporaneous ability to deliver speeches?”—————-
Sez the evidence of current BLP operations. Mia’s oratorical skills are excellent. She is of a standard of Barrow, Blackman or Adams. On any objective analysis of excellent public speaking she checks ALL the boxes. That has nothing to do wid this though.
Nor am I not talking about her ministerial administrative successes or failures.
I compared her to the Hon. E.W. Barrow re her abilities in the hurly-burly of adversarial politics. After your coffee you will see the absolute distinction, surely.
For the record, Mr Mottley has held off the adversarial energies of Payne, Marshall and Toppin to retain her leadership role. There is no Shakespeare play acting there. That is very real.
Can she withstand this latest attempt to oust her? Time will tell. But to date she has had to pull out all the tricks of the business to remain entrenched. In the objective book of politics that is formidable particularly considering the abilities of those arrayed against her. That is a simple fact.
If you don’t agree, no problem. But it means you are looking past the evidence to other metrics. So I would ask you to share them, please.
And yes I would agree that Mottley may feel entitled – even moreso that Thompson – but that does not mean she is not skilled. Thompson too, was a very powerful adversary in the political trenches. As Bowman understands only too well.
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@Hants, indeed all good words. Sophistry is too longish though. Found it cute and used it often years back but its relegated to my interesting word section these days. Concatenated, is one of these cute words. A big, long, obzocky word about ‘shortening’ things.
That’s why ‘prolix’ is so sweet. Short and just rolls smoothly off the tongue. LOLLL.
@Dr. GP, but when I brew a heaping spoonful of coffer it surely gives me a buzz that my Earlgrey or Liptons doesn’t.
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Even as Dee Word remains fixated in delivering in a flowery form, note Mia will be judged hereon by her ability to rally her troops behind her.So far can we say she is well on the way to achieving this task?
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David; re your 1:39 post
You said; “Mia will be judged hereon by her ability to rally her troops behind her. So far can we say she is well on the way to achieving this task?
I suspect we’ll know within 7 days of the Agard/Gollop ultimatum if she is getting there or not.
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@GP
Why you trying to mashup my excuse?
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@David December 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM #
So far yes…..only time will tell the end result.
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Why is this St.Lucian opposition leader commenting on Barbados politics. Who the funk does Allen Chastanet think he is ?
http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2015/12/05/ive-walked-in-mias-shoes-chastanet/
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Sargeant December 5, 2015 at 3:32 PM #
@GP
Why you trying to mashup my excuse?
I AM VERY SORRY SIR
I THINK I SHOULD HAVE SAID XANTHENES INSTEAD OF CAFFIEN
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@Georgie Porgie,
LOOKS LIKE YOU WON’T NEED TOO MUCH “XANTHENES” TO STAY UP TO WATCH WEST INDIES GET BEAT.
METHINKS THEY WILL GET BEATEN IN 3 DAYS OR LESS.
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Why is this St.Lucian opposition leader commenting on Barbados politics. Who the funk does Allen Chastanet think he is ?
Because the IMF says that what we refer to as backward St Lucia is experiencing growth whereas the developed Barbados is not yet. Anyhow Hants, don’t despair . We will soon catch and pass St Lucia with all of our projects coming on stream.
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“December 5, 2015 at 7:14 AM #
Does anyone understand what underlies a logical and coherent argument? An individual has the right to select an Attorney of choice and on the flip side a lawyer has the right under our democratic system to offer his services to anyone.”
Does not merit a response. You are so right.
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WOW! This was the first of a couple of shots that “Amused” took at Jeff C but no one seemed to notice or they were conveniently overlooked. There is a phrase for this, it is “damning with faint praise”.
Was Amused taking the low road for exercising his freedom of speech in making a comment which he obviously feels to be true. Perhaps other might very well feel the same way.
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@ Balance
Two brilliant minds, and one supposedly taking “shots” at the other.
Is someone here suggesting something “deeper than a gentle ribbing of one legal luminary by another?”
Were it more, would it not manifest on the page where Jeff gives his “ambiguous opinion(s)”??? Could not Amused comment there?
And in the absence of such “shots” on the substantive page, would one be conversely imputing that Amused is a wuss?
Many obviously do not know Amused!!
De Nation got me comment bout Chastanet “awaiting moderation” heheheheheh
I shudder had did axe fuh a piece uh job dere as a journalist de same time!!
Whu you tink?
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Where is the legal viewpoints of Ralph Thorne in all of this?
Well after all he touts himself as an expert on Due Process and Natural Justice.
He represented WIPA members and the Prison Officers on the said legal precepts.
Ooops…….I forget he is now a Mia…….LACKEY…….and as Dr. Agard said……..you cannot tell Mia she is WRONG.
I weep for the CORRUPT BLP……..of which Ralph Thorne is now
….EMBEDDED…..!
Barbadians are staying with the …..DEMS.
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@pieceuhderockyeahright at 1:00 PM ….basically it’s a lethargic BU Sunday and the denizens having now gotten somewhat addicted to Jeff’s Sunday Brew – although he has been offering this brand for many a year – are left discombobulated.
Where is the Sunday libation, they fuss. So aimless days old palaver is rehashed.
Incidentally, both the Nation and B’Today ‘moderated’ me to non-contributor status. Hopefully your comments are finally posted. Apparently they couldn’t properly identify me or something cause mine never were.
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@Dee Word
The Advocate website appears to be hacked. Jeff is free to email his articles to BU on a weekly basis to avoid todays occurrence.
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Understood David. Actually after @Hants’ query earlier in the week re the Advocate non-availability I presumed they were still down and thus the missing essay.
I was doing, according to you, my ‘flowery’ ting and also jesting with Mr Pieces really. LOLLLL
But it is a comparatively slow BU Sunday though. Maybe folks starting to do Christmas shopping and other stuff then!
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@Dee Word
BU mirrors life there will be ebb and flow, peaks and troughs. This is nothing new.
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@ Fractured let’s not hope Maria’s case does not go before his wife then again i believe Mr Gollop would object.
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every one is now waiting with baited breath for Mia next move Maybe for practice she should buy herself a game of snakes and ladders as a “test” run and while she is scurrying around ignore Peter Wickhams advice which is most certainly to be twisted
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I rather like the exhortation of Hants to his fellow Caribcanajun Allan Chastanet…who the funk you tink you is Chastanet?And besides Chastanet has been misleading bajans,nay lying to bajans that Fredericks lost the case in St Lucian courts.What a barefaced untruth Chastanet.But then you is one ‘o dem fellers that because you spent some time at school in Canada,you can’t give up your affected Canadian accent eh?Why not speak like a true Lucian Chastanet?.And why not learn to tell the truth eh! You didn’t think Lucians read bajan newspaper bwoi?Minveille and Chastanet still playing with your brain garcon?
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@ Lt. Horatio
There you have it……Ralph Thorne’ s wife…..possibly added to the plot……only serves to raise the stench of this case.
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@ LT.HORATIO CAINE. re “… let’s not hope Maria’s case does not go before his wife then again i believe Mr Gollop would object.” Ah, bah humbug re the judiciary. In little Barbados can we really ever evade some type of ‘conflict of interest’.
So being the wife of a political candidate means you can’t adjudicate evenly on a matter related to your husband’s party when it does not involve him directly. Well in B’dos obviously not but….
But cCuld it be that besides the supposed spousal conflict it could be that the judge of whom you refer may have been a form prefect or such to the younger Agard during QC days –just surmising, as I have absolutely no idea if they even crossed periods at school, although it would seem likely.
My point is that in our little world where most of these folks either went to secondary school together. or university, or were in a civic club together at one point or even grew up together or went on a few dates with somebody brother or cousin as teens or their parents were friends for eons or some other ting like dat, can we ever evade the incestuous mixup??
Anyhow, let’s pretend that conflicts don’t exists daily in BIM and life goes on apace smoothly
The intrigue is much more interesting!!!!
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Hants December 6, 2015 at 12:56 AM #
@Georgie Porgie,
LOOKS LIKE YOU WON’T NEED TOO MUCH “XANTHENES” TO STAY UP TO WATCH WEST INDIES GET BEAT.
METHINKS THEY WILL GET BEATEN IN 3 DAYS OR LESS.
lol hants
i tend to watch til at least lunch (i oclock here…and sometimes tea time)
these days i watching what the crickt showing late so i might just watch us lose)
i just want the bajan players to perform well
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@DIW
So being the wife of a political candidate means you can’t adjudicate evenly on a matter related to your husband’s party when it does not involve him directly. Well in B’dos obviously not but….
+++++++
Btee keeps harping on the fact that you live in Canada, if you are indeed a resident you know any judge there with such a relationship would recuse him/herself from any matter which is tangentially related to their spouse.
We should expect no less in Barbados.
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@Sargeant, let’s agree to disagree. In Canada and the US its clear that the ‘conflicts’ are very sophisticated. It allows us to assuage ourselves that these esteemed folks always recuse themselves when needed and are ethically perfect. I am absolutely not inclined to that belief. It happens but certainly not as often as it SHOULD.
Recusing in first world courts is more perception than reality. Bout here in BIM it’s just real difficult to avoid. But I do agree that its always best to step off when the halogen light is shining. This Agard matter has that bright light so of course Thorn’s wife should recuse. Is it really necessary, I honestly don’t think so.
Would a judge at a state or federal appeal/high court level recuse in circumstances like this one where their Republican/Democratic or Liberal/Conservative spouse was a candidate and they were adjudicating on a matter related to that party but completely ‘divorced’ from their spouse’s direct interest? Very likely, simply because it would be a big public matter.
But here is the absurdity. The President appoints judges based on their legal skills and then as important on their political affiliation and PAST rulings. YET, it is absolutely expected that FUTURE rulings will be based principally on the law and not the political circumstances.
First world sophistication of conflicts and political ‘interference’ at its best.
It’s like corruption. In the first world they charge $1000 per round nut and bolt. $750 for a toilet bowl seat. And orders for 500 of the first and 1000 of the latter are processed. That’s business. Or they fight their wars with soldiers-for-hire to whom they pay scandalously huge sums of money…portions of which feed back into campaign coffers and the like. We all know the deal!
In the third world those lacking true sophistication try to pass that $1M over-payment for those toilet-seat and bolt orders as a direct payment to their bogus company or a deposit to their mother’s account. Stupid, right!
And don’t mind Bushie, where I reside is not too important really. It’s also no secret anyhow.
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Some of the BLP faithful pouring their hearts out on the Pages of the Nation news Paper Cuh dear…Things gotta be real dread fuh trute in the BLP house a pity ole onion bags not around to witness the bussa bussa and the gran ole daddy Grantley Adams must be rolling in his grave,
But looa me crosses it was only a midnight and a day the leadership was sitting high on the horse cussing out PM Stuart talking bout PM wrecking the island wuh loss time is surely longer than twine fuh trute doah
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ac
don’t rush off half cocked yet buddy. Um is on a matte of time before Sinckler and millions of dollars behind him make a move to oust Stuart.
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Tommorow marks the official day of the last countdown for the blp leadership to change course and rescind the decision to oust Maria( um not talking about Marie Thompson cause PM stuart is not known to be of dictatorship metal therfore the chance of Marie Thompson being ousted under any circumstances while bekng under the watchful eye if PM Stuart is as close as finding a man on the moon) in any event all eyes would be focus and ears opened to hear what the despost has to say
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How many thousands of days since this government promised transparency legislation?
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Fret not, that will be the first order of business for the lady in white. Immediately after she passes the FOI bill.
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Jerome has spoken….what is to is will is…the BLP not answering Hal Gollop nor nobody else
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Come tomorrow the tenor and chorus of the song will somewhat change maybe the blp machine is pinning their bets on maria leaving the party before ever having a chance of the matter being heard in court before the election
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Wendell
I can tell you how I feel about this whole Maria affair.I am fed up and turned off with this group of citizens referred to as the political class.You have managed to destroy a good country founded by Grantley Adams and nurtured by Errol Barrow and Tom Adams.Greed,avarice,power hungry estrogen and testosterone fueled madmen,mad women,corrupt,sexual deviants who should be frog marched.
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“Prodigal Son December 3, 2015 at 6:43 PM #
Owen is just like you dems…………….a spent force still trying to be relevant”
Can’t agree with you Prodigal. Right now the DDEMS are proving to be more relevant than the BEES who seem to be on a deviant path to destruction.
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Nationnews today: Gollop believes “Agard’s expulsion was flawed because it did not follow the rules of natural justice.” Did this figure Gollop receive any legal education? Natural law as a legal source beside precedents, statutes and customs. UWI Law Faculty really needs to sort out more students in the exam!
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Natural law seeks to establish the need to maintain public confidence in a legal system and
Is guided by the principles “memo iudex in causa sua”…..no man is a judge in his own cause…..and “audi alteram partem”…….right to a fair hearing.
Based on news media coverage of the ‘hearing and verdict’,then I would call it a kangaroo court and not worth my vote now nor in the foreseeable future.A pity because I have no use for the stinking Dems either.I might have to do like Ian Gale and relocate to the Grenadines and left wunna to sort out de gays and lesbians from among the sheeple.Barbados gone to the dawgs for sure.Its now left to Gollop to save the country from this wicked,evil bunch ‘o hoars,pimps and sexual deviants.
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Gabriel
Will Gollop help us with the drunks in Parliament as well???
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Thisvis the age of enlightenment and be it Gallop or a man riding on the back of a donkey .The old ways of the political system with self armoured answers and division can no longer function as people/ ordinary person acess and become educated with out objectivty and curtailing of all information to form their conclusion
Most politicians unfortunately would learn the hard way.
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At this moment, drunks in parliament are the least of our worries.
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Mascoll on something has happened lol
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“Willie’s December 9, 2015 at 9:54 AM # ”
Very Instructive. It would be good if Mr Stuart and Mr Sinckler could have heard that video when they were getting involved in the CAHILL fiasco. No wonder that the youth have lost disrespect for and confidence in the system and shooting left, right and centre.
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“FORMER Member of Parliament Dr William Duguid has confirmed that he is seriously considering returning to the Christ Church West constituency.”
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/75530/duguid-ponders-return-politics#sthash.kzrvFm7Z.dpuf
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http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2015/12/19/date-set-for-blp-court-hearing/
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http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/75768/agard-seeks-damages-kicked
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when uh think it could not get any worse. Here is an opposition going into to the next election having to face legal challenges by one of its members so sad
Mia Mottley should be given a twenty four hour window for resignation ,the party is in dire need of leadership and cannot hope to win a next general election strangled by legal wranglings and loop-sided leadership
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ac
Maria Agard is not a member of the BLP, remember se booted out, kicked out, expelled, removed, tossed on her head, fired, terminated, extracted, laid-off, retired and or sent packing.
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Dr. Agard, whether she likes it or not, is now and Independent member of Parliament. After all is said and done she lasted as long as a fart on the east coast road of Barbados. Jackass.
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@Elbow in a sling
Is this not what the Court is being called on to rule? Be patient.
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I am wondering why Ms Agard was not advised by her legal luminaries to appeal to the disciplinary mechanism within the organisation in which she is seeking legal redress to remain. The court cannot make the organisation take her back.
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