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  • Maria Agard No this is absolutely NOT TRUE!!!! And we need to stop peddling this form of defeatist thinking. […] […]There are consequences. Anyone can be held accountable for their actions if these actions are inimical to the advancement of the country. The electorate simply refuses to pursue their options. We have THE most aware, educated, technologically connected electorate EVER, also the most apathetic and passive. If you want to see REAL change, the time to act is NOW.20 hrs · Like
  • C. Malcolm Grant Please outline a SINGLE INSTANT over the last 48 yrs where any politician has had to face the music for his/ her actions for accepting bribes, kick backs, over ruling the advice of highly trained technocrats, etc… Succeeding governments PROMISE THE WORLD when it comes to going after the corrupt elements in the previous administration, besides the rhetoric, which one has followed through COMPLETELY to the end…20 hrs · Like
  • C. Malcolm Grant David King I would love to have your thoughts on this one…20 hrs · Edited · Like
  • Maria Agard Barbados has been a signatory to the UN Convention Against Corruption since December 10th 2003. Signatory, but we have NOT ratified the convention even after ELEVEN years!!! We have had two elections since then, not a boy or season has stood firm to declare that this convention MUST be ratified. No we are happy to vote for politicians who feed us BS, go to funerals and share out iPads. If you want to know about the UNCAC you will see that provision has been made, not only for penalties against politicians found guilty of corruption, but also recovery of resources taken form the public purse.20 hrs · Like
  • Marcus Day “”In fact, the Commission observed a real hunger for constitutional change. It discerned restlessness with the status quo, which manifests itself in a pervasive, near universal discontent with politicians and politics alike. At the heart of this cynicism, we detected a widespread belief that our Constitution condemns us to a situation in which, our Governments, once elected, seem beyond
    our ability to restrain or to influence”. St Lucia reform report

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  • C. Malcolm Grant Why is this type of action by the Belizean AG not more common place in our neck of the woods… How cam the “electorate” pursue such an option, without the Government of the day’s support…20 hrs · Edited · Like
  • Maria Agard C. Malcolm Grant is this comment material to this topic? I am not following you and can’t access the link you have posted.20 hrs · Like
  • C. Malcolm Grant http://jamaica-gleaner.com/…/business/business71.htmlCCJ hands down landmark ruling – Gives go-ahead for AG to sue former gov’t…jamaica-gleaner.com

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  • Maria Agard Thanks20 hrs · Like
  • C. Malcolm Grant Sorry… My bad…20 hrs · Like · 1
  • Marcus Day ” Anyone can be held accountable for their actions” you say BUT WILL they, its clear the entrenched cover for each other and use small boys to sacrifice20 hrs · Like
  • Maria Agard I am yet to see a protest outside the walls of Parliament, even for the most egregious infraction, so you can answer your own question C. Malcolm Grant. There were 248,000 people on the register of electors last election. You mean that ALL were happy with the status quo of the country? If you are not personally and individually invested in fighting for what you want, who do you think will do it for you? And if you are not lifting a finger to do it for yourself, why complain that others have not?20 hrs · Like
  • C. Malcolm Grant Maria Agard let us be practical here, are you suggesting that the ONLY person(s) who is capable to bringing an end to this “revolving door” of the corruption cycle is the “small man” on the street… Where are the offices of the AG, DPP and Commissioner of Police in on all of this… Or is it that such a HISTORIC undertaking would be so POLITICALLY CHARGED, no one wants to touch it, even with the proverbial 10 ft pole… If the POLITICAL WILL existed to pursue such matters, they would be pursued beyond some HEADLINE making statement (on BOTH sides of the aisle), which is essentially designed to placate the general public… The more things change, the more they remain the same…19 hrs · Like
  • Maria Agard Yes Malcolm I am prepared to say that, because I am not giving anyone, including the small man, a pass for inertia. We all have to stand up and be held accountable. If our government(S) are not satisfying our needs, then they need to hear from us, in the most impactful and aggressive of ways.
    And I am not leaving it up to the politicians to police themselves. Why should they? This political will that you speak of does not exist in a vacuum. This political will is defined as the small man, the electorate letting the politicians know that a specific course of action is what they, the small man demands. And in most countries it is revolutionary as well as progressive. Are you prepared to challenge the status quo beyond being a keyboard warrior?

 

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  • C. Malcolm Grant The politicians have SYSTEMATICALLY cultivated a culture of learned helplessness in the electorate over the years, yet they now expect those very same people to turn around and hold them accountable… Admittedly, I’m having great difficulty reconciling this dichotomy… “Keyboard Warrior” I’ll accept as a compliment, for the clever use of social media allows you to reach a far greater audience that someone standing at some street corner (even on a busy street), with a placard in the their hands… Obama’s electioneering team in 2007 used this to their candidate’s winning advantage… Ignore social media and you perish as a politician… And I suspect that this fact has not been ,lost on our current crop of politicians, seeing that most have active FB pages… Getting back to the original topic: I can see why so many in the public domain have lost faith in politics and politicians, consequentially there is little likelihood of ANY ELECTED GOVERNMENT gaining 50% + 1 of the TOTAL REGISTERED electorate in any election on the horizon… Relatively low election turn outs will continue to be the norm, for this and other reasons… But, this “Keyboard Warrior” will continue to do his part, once I have life, clarity of thought and remain an independent thinker…18 hrs · Like
  • Dane Ian Christmas I think one of the problem we have in Caribbean politics is that our institutions are weak .. That’s why politicians are hardly held accountable … I am not for retaining the Privy Council as our final appellate courts but the concerns of those for are quite valid.. They fear the CCJ would go th eway of our other institutions and become weak and compromised .. The media has a role to play..They must be independent, but alas, they have gone the way of all flesh.. Contributing to the problem we have of accountability of governments..18 hrs · Like
  • Maria Agard You do realize C. Malcolm that the ‘you’ I refer to is generic, so no need for you to be personal.
    Secondly, the term keyboard warrior has its merit as an instrument of change. Those of us in the local political field advocated the use of social medi…See More

 

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  • Adrian Pinder I’m wondering if we can change this Westminster model and choose one that suits us. One that forces the electorate to become more active in the political process outside of elections.17 hrs · Like · 1
  • Adrian Pinder My thinking is that we vote in a Senate instead of it being chosen by the pm and this Senate be voted in by the electorate half way in the election cycle. That way halfway in and the electorate isn’t happy they can still have a voice. The lower house then should not be allowed to pass any bill or law no matter how many times it has been sent to the upper house.17 hrs · Like
  • C. Malcolm Grant I have repeatedly lead the the SOHEE troops to water, and once time permits will continue to do so, but at the end of the day, I cannot make them drink… People have been so mind controlled by The System over the years, he/ she is often too timid to buck the status quo… MANY hold the view that without a politician as a primary benefactor, there is little chance of them achieving some of the fundamentals for existence… The process of enlightenment will take a while, but the key to ultimately broad based enlightenment via this forum, is to continue putting forward thought provoking/ jarring posts in order to set off few light bulbs within our members… PS: I did assume the “you” you were referring to above was directed at me… Obviously I was wrong… My apologies…17 hrs · Like
  • C. Malcolm Grant We need to institute immediately the electorate’s ability to recall elected officials prior to a GE… Term limits of all elected officials needs to become a reality – Four terms as a parliamentary rep, two terms as PM…17 hrs · Like
  • Dane Ian Christmas I agree with Adrian Pinder, we have outgrown parts of our Bicameral Westminster System ” … It has outlived it’s usefullness .. Maybe we need a different model .. Maybe , like he suggested, a hybrid between the Bicameral and the first pass the line / winner takes all system..17 hrs · Like
  • C. Malcolm Grant Campaign finance reform needs to be placed squarely on the table… No one individual/ company/ corporation should be able to buy an election…17 hrs · Like · 1
  • Adrian Pinder The problem is going to be enforcement.17 hrs · Like
  • Dane Ian Christmas That’;s where the media comes in … Investigative journalism .. Suppose political candidates are being funded by drug lords or criminal bosses? .. Suppose corporate bosses actually run the show and our elected leaders are no different to those murderous, corrupt, kleptocrats in Africa?17 hrs · Edited · Like
  • C. Malcolm Grant There is a problem before enforcement and that is getting such changes into Law… Our politicians are going to vehemently oppose any changes to the process which would limit their sphere or influence, or anything which may undermine his’ her “right” to become a multi millionaire…17 hrs · Like
  • Maria Agard Malcolm the ‘you’ in my thoughts will never be personal, always generic, because the same challenge I throw out to you, I do so to all others including and especially myself. I just believe that the time has come for us to make each other really uncomfortable with our position right now. Only then will we enforce change.16 hrs · Like · 1
  • Maria Agard Campaign finance reform is a must. People get elected not for their thoughts or policies or plans for development, they are elected because there is enough money to make others happy and that is wrong. But we like it so.16 hrs · Like · 1
  • David King C. Malcolm Grant you have posted all the discussion points that need to make it to a national discourse. The voter apathy you mentioned is a real concern. We need to teach civics in our schools. The average Barbadian does not understand the individual role required to participate in a democracy outside of voting every five years. Do you know there is concern in the USA also about how the PACs operate and are manipulated by politicians? Why would politicians with a vested interest in the status quo lead the change you want? To cap our concerns must be the passive role of media houses in Barbados. We have a problem and I am not sure what will have to occur to trigger the change we need t have.

 


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79 responses to “Holding Politicians Accountable!”


  1. De Ingrunt Word,

    Glad I caught up with you. I wish to apologize for misconstruing your intentions a week or so ago. Your word is good enough for me. I’m sorry.


  2. Alvin Cummins,

    Your apology shows you to be a big man. I can do no more than respond as a big woman and accept it. Truce.

  3. Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right Avatar
    Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right

    Without the power of recall or a PAC with teeth much like the useless Fear Trading Commission, there is no way to hold any politician on the Barbados landscape accountable


  4. David,

    Some people have not progressed beyond the infants department and cannot read or write well. These people can only draw and interpret pictures. Sometimes these colourful labels paint word pictures and get the point across to such people where intelligent discourse cannot penetrate.


  5. I am glad that my revelations about myself have finally debunked the recurring theory that I am a BLP operative. This was my intention. It goes to credibility. Now that we have it straight maybe certain people can attempt to assess my contributions without their hackles rising like a mother whose baby has been called ugly.


  6. ac,

    I am still an Anglican. Just not an Anglican who believes my church gets everything right. When will you grow up and see that your precious party does not get everything right either. Then YOU would have some credibility.

  7. HAMILTON A HILL Avatar

    MEMO TO OUR SPINELESS FOURTH ESTATE: Now that your Masters have finally committed to the reopening of the lines of communication will anyone ask the leader of Cabinet to speak to the alleged conflict of interest surrounding Ministers Lowe and Lashley ? Would this not speak to the dictates of good governance as suggested by IMF intervention, or is it that they too are in the business of screwing poor people? Since he is now ready to talk, please ask him what is it that TRANS TEC does that UCAL can’t? The difference may well be that of a YARRIS as opposed to a BIMMA……but still ask E.


  8. Hamilton,

    In response to an earlier post. Boy like the two o’ we just get off the same banana boat!

  9. de Ingrunt Word Avatar

    Donna re your 10:11 post, no apology necessary. All good

  10. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    “@Hamilton Hill 9.44am post . Could not agree with you more. They damn well know where these guns coming from. ”

    Course they know where the guns and drugs are coming from, they also know who own the drones that monitor the police/defense force and the coast guard. It’s now their turn to act on this blatant disregard for local authority.

    And if any customs people etc are involved, just make an example of 3 or 4 of them, that is all it will take.

  11. HAMILTON A HILL Avatar

    @ Well Well…this is Barbados where its not what you know but who you know. Lets not forget the unwritten but oft spoken mantra of ”One call will fix it all.” Can we call upon the 1983 RPB song when he sang that ”Drugs now move as a diplomat.” That related to drugs found in a diplomatic bag. Remind me if you will, where did that go? These heifers choose to train their focus on the airport. On the seaport. Anymore ports bout here? Why not look there? Oh yea ah faget! Those who frequent those areas CAN DO NO WRONG. Check and see who gets stopped and searched by the RBPF. Here in New York City it is called STOP & FRISK. In the land of my birth we choose to accept that very same indiscretion as merely a courtesy extended in the name of protection of the privileged who segregate themselves in these GATED COMMUNITIES.


  12. @Donna,
    Thanks.


  13. Did I hear MoE Ronald Jones speaking of the ENTERNET a few days ago?


  14. @Gabriel

    What was he trying to communicate though, he was not clear. Does he expect children and parents will follow the ‘policy ‘?


  15. David
    You can never be sure what this minister means by his confusing ‘logic’.Why state the obvious that Kolig buildings are of coral stone.Given the age of the institution,is that not
    public knowledge?


  16. @Gabriel

    After the AX affair when he sat on a report for one year why would he expect the unions to deposit trust in his office?


  17. @David
    Don’t you get it that some people are just DENSE?
    Man stop trying to make sense of nonsense,
    You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

  18. Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right Avatar
    Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right

    @ David [BU]

    “The chilrun are is reading well” and our Minister of Edukashun is NOT the brightest MoE the cuntry has had.

    Have you even sought to discourse with the indigent “Uncle Jerkoff” “Why is there all this stuff in the universe, and why is it governed by such exquisitely precise laws? And why should anything exist at all?”

    For the less philosophically inclined among us try contemplating “In the beginning there was GOD..” and then ask yourself what was there before the beginning?

    The state of the brain after that question leaves many of us quite kerfuffled and others of us dipshits and nimwits in the perpetual state of kerfufflement that we exist in

    The Proponent for the use of the ENTERNET cannot be blamed for his astronomical lack of grey brain matter.

    The fact remains though that “we” voted for him and therein lies the indictment, it is true that the “gatekeeper” is not too bright but what does that say for the citizens who gave him that job?


  19. @ Piece
    …what was the alternative?
    A rock and a hard place…
    The devil and the deep blue…
    Hobson….


  20. @Donna August 23, 2015 at 3:58 AM “I never joined the DLP but I was faithful at the polls.”

    I never joined the BLP nor the DLP and I have ALWAYS BEEN UNFAITHFUL at the polls. I always vote. Sometimes I work for Electoral and Boundaries on election day. Just to ensure that there are some impartial people involved in the process. I go in at 6:00 a.m. and cast my vote for that party or individual who I think at the time will best represent my constituency and or the national interest.


  21. Simple Simon,

    I will resist the urge to respond to you in like manner and simply state that I was faithful to the party which I thought would best serve the national interest. Parties tend to have a philosophy and a culture to which its members conform. Sometimes one overlooks one’s preference for a particular candidate in one’s constituency when one sees the bigger picture of the party and often its leader. This makes more sense if you think about it. One needs the right party to be in office. Understood?


  22. It is a democratic process. You cast your vote as you see fit. I cast my vote as I see fit. Fortunately you don’t have to consult with me. Fortunately I don’t have to consult with you.


  23. @Donna “Parties tend to have a philosophy and a culture to which its members conform.”

    I’ve never been a party member so have never had any need nor any desire to conform.


  24. Simple Simon,

    Congratulations! Join me on the podium, sweetie.

    I see again you have misunderstood. I didn’t belong. I didn’t conform. The candidates are assumed to have signed on to the philosophy of the party and to conform. This is why they vote along party lines. It was that philosophy and culture which I voted for over the years. That philosophy has obviously been abandoned. The culture has changed. Therefore I have removed my support. Now how is that not impartial?

    And another thing – you were the one who felt the need to covertly criticize my method of choice whilst patting yourself on the back for your impartiality. (Don’t think you can slip that one past me.) But you didn’t stop to think that my way was also impartial if the bigger picture was examined.

    I doubt very much that you could be more of a free spirit than I am so don’t even go there, sweetie.


  25. @Well Well,
    Your cynicism is still evident. You see everyone as corrupt: Lawyers, Politicians (especially DLP Politicians), Policemen, or should I say police persons, Citizens who voted for the DLP; deluded, perhaps. Is there anyone else? Oh yes, members of the Defence Force and some Customs officers. We really do have a bad country, don’t we.

  26. Sunny Sunshine Shine Avatar
    Sunny Sunshine Shine

    Hmmm my sweetie Alvin accepting apologies. I told Alvi I am a die hard DLP voter and he ain’t write nothing like he wrote to Donna but out to get me lock up.Alvi what I do you sweet P? I support the DLP well not none of these stinking shady hoodwinkers ruling lot. Alvi you mad me or something?


  27. Sunny,

    Some people die harder than others. They cling to the past and therefore are blind to the present.


  28. @Donna,
    Don’t get in this.


  29. Alvin,

    As usual my name get call so I was already in.

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