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BU shares the Jeff Cumberbatch Barbados Advocate column – Senior Lecturer in law at the University of the West Indies since 1983, a Columnist with the Barbados Advocate since 2000 and BU commenter – see full bio.

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Musings: An evolving democracy (II)
8/16/2015
By Jeff Cumberbatch

“Freedom of expression is the matrix, the indispensable condition, of nearly every other form of freedom…” – Benjamin Cardozo, US jurist

I posited in the first part of this essay that two of the major contributors to any evolution in local democracy are an increase in popular freedom of access to official information and an expansion of the civic freedom of expression. While there has been no contemporary positive attempt by the state to effect the former, there has been an indirect, though as yet under-utilised, realisation of the latter, as I argued last week. This is owed in part to the common law development whereby there is now an overarching regard paid to publication of material in the public interest even if it may harm an individual reputation, so long as it is responsible, and partly to the locally legislated relaxation of some of the strict rules of defamation.

However, as I also argued in closing last week, freedom of expression for the purpose of evolving democracy goes beyond its theoretical existence and depends rather on the extent to which it is availed of especially by those who hold views different to those of the accepted prevailing dogma, be it religious, political or otherwise.

In this context, self-censorship poses a threat to the democratic ideal.

To what degree may it be fairly stated that we have this form of freedom of expression in Barbados? There are two undeniable facts. First, it seems clear that there is not now, nor has there ever been, an official governmental policy of suppressing the free expression of citizens, although certain individual statements have, from time to time, betrayed a certain discomfort with contrary opinion. These are too well known to bear repetition here, but suffice it to say that both sides of the political divide have seen it fit to accuse the local print media of being unduly adverse/supportive of their party or the other. The relatively recent online publication, Barbados Today, has managed so far to avoid this partisan censure, but no doubt its turn will come. Fortunately, to my best knowledge, there are no repercussions for the accused publications, beyond perhaps loss of the custom of a few ardent party supporters.

Similarly, the government-supported Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation has been accused over the years, not entirely without justification, of being an extension of the administration in power so far as its presentation of information and general ethos are concerned. A degree of popular cynicism has developed as a result, with a resigned acceptance by the party in opposition that our turn will eventually come.

It must be remarked, however, that the greatest impact on the breadth of Barbadian freedom of expression in recent times has been the anonymity of the publisher afforded by the popular call-in programmes on local radio and, to an even greater extent, on the equally popular blogs, especially Barbados Underground. It is true that the radio contributions are frequently more guarded – clearly it is not as easy to disguise a voice. On the other hand, the blog obviously affords far more security of anonymity and posters have exploited this to the full with their unbridled criticism and, in a number of cases, their unswerving support, of the current administration.

Even though this anonymity does not render the blog publisher or the contributor wholly immune from prosecution or from a civil suit for defamation, the complexity of the legal process and the potential claimant’s probable attempt to avoid the appearance of being thin-skinned currently ensure some degree of protection for the blogging exercise. I will have more to say about this on another occasion, since I am scheduled to present a paper on the liability for defamation of intermediaries such as “blogmasters” at the annual conference of the OECS Bar Association in September.

Not everyone will be partial to this argument that the advent of the blogs has improved the quality of our democracy. Barbadians, who are ever ready to refer to corresponding responsibilities whenever a right or freedom is asserted, will no doubt point to the probability of an irresponsible abuse of free expression, especially when virtual anonymity is guaranteed, and Pete Singer, the Australian moral philosopher, contends that “the new freedom of expression brought by the Internet goes far beyond politics. People relate to each other in new ways, posing questions about how we should respond to people when all that we know about them is what we have learned through a medium that permits all kinds of anonymity and deception”.

I note the force of these arguments but they are not persuasive. I am prepared to concede that freedom of expression is not absolute and that, apart from its constitutional restrictions, the use of that freedom to incite unlawful discrimination, hatred or violence, for examples, towards a group should be proscribed.

Likewise, the assumption of certain roles may serve to restrict an individual’s freedom of expression; consider the case of the Cabinet member who is opposed to an endorsed policy of his or her administration or, to be more personal, as the new Chairman of the Fair Trading Commission, it should not be thought that I would use this space to fulminate for or against the utilities or other entities under the regulation of that body. This is the point that I believe the respondents may be trying to make in the case of the forced removal of the retired UWI professor from the organisation, CHART, that he headed and whose mission might have been diametrically in contrast to certain sentiments that he publicly advocated. Some things just may not be said.

However, beyond these restrictions and the others previously mentioned, it should be difficult to justify the legal restriction of political speech, no matter how inelegantly expressed, simply because it does not comport with the view of a governing administration.

A distinctive effort
I was intrigued to read in recent days of more students than one or two in Guyana and Trinidad & Tobago who had managed to secure passes in as many as 20 subjects in one sitting at CXC. Indeed, in one remarkable case in Guyana, the young lady secured, if I recall correctly, a total of 21 passes, all with distinction. I am not sure that I could have even attempted the undertaking of 10 “O” Levels, as they were known over four decades ago, and I sincerely congratulate these students on their truly fantastic achievements. However, and with no attempt at all to seem niggardly in their asking, the enormity of their success does raise a number of questions in my mind.
Having witnessed in my day job an alarming decline in the facility of law students, usually the cream of their crop, with the written use of English, I am forced to wonder whether these distinctive performances at CXC also reflect equal merit in written expression.

Further, it would be instructive to learn the names of the 20 or more subjects examined at CXC. Are they all justifiably relevant both substantively and intellectually?

Finally, with these kinds of results, does CXC not fear conceivable and reasonable accusations of dumbing-down the standard of regional educational achievement?


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145 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – An Evolving Democracy (II)”

  1. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    A-W-T-Y@ 5.22pm, Moneybrain has confirmed it.


  2. @Dompey

    I am fully aware of what you say about standards at the antipodes in proxime US Geographies. That is no longer a valid excuse in this Computer age, changes need to be made asap! Appoint Gates, Ellison and other richass geeks to solve the probs, for the good of the peeps, and forget the BS, lameass, political excuses! They need serious leadership!


  3. @Dompey–

    Dont recollect the moniker. What was his real name? Probably was a few years ahead of us.


  4. MoneyBrain

    You spoke quite lucid about the legacy of academic excellence your Alma Mater Harrison College produced, and yet the work of two noted West Indian academics can still be founded in American universities libraries today: Sir Arthur Lewis and Dr Eric Williams. Where is the work of your Harrison College contemporaries?


  5. His real name is Roy Standard. He is a haft white fella would be somewhere in his early to middle 60’s today.

  6. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    Alvin Cummins;

    There was a fellow named Standard (I forget his first name) at the Government Bacteriological Lab in the very early 1960’s, a tall, brown skin fellow from Tweedside Road. Was he there in your time and if so do you know what he did after leaving the Lab?

  7. Walter Blackman Avatar

    Dompey August 16, 2015 at 5:27 PM #
    “MoneyBrain

    Do you know or have met a fella who goes by the name “Roy Standard” during your time spent at Harrison College?”

    Dompey,
    Standard emigrated and lived overseas for a while. He left a very good friend in Barbados who was so destitute, that everyone in the village nicknamed him “Poor”.
    A few years ago, Standard returned and headed straight for his friend’s home where the two of them took a photograph hugging each other gleefully.
    I saw the photograph, and it was captioned : Standard at Poor’s.
    That is the last I saw or heard of him.

    Lord, forgive me.


  8. Walter–
    you wicked chap! I loved that doh!

    Hope is not Moody! lol


  9. @Dompey

    Where did I say they were all contemporaries?

    The 2 you speak off were Economists and Politicos both areas that receive much undeserved attention! Top notch Scientists, Engineers et al seldom receive the general adulation they deserve, sometimes because they are not seeking attention like our squawking Pols and Economists who indeed frequently are dead WRONG but persist with abject BS theories that never actually work!

    Google— Alan Emtage to discover my drift!


  10. @ AWTY
    Sorry about mixing up Artax and your good self at 3.09 pm
    You two are formidable posters with whom Bushie relishes any opportunity to joust….

    LOL
    Artax would have said the same thing ( 🙂 ), and in any case ..on reflection your point is taken. As you have correctly surmised, the Bushman wanted to say that shiite ANYHOW ..and was looking for any excuse to unload…. ha ha ha

    …apologies.

  11. Walter Blackman Avatar

    MoneyBrain August 16, 2015 at 7:26 PM #
    “Walter–
    you wicked chap!”

    MoneyBrain,
    I can tell that you played “truant” at Sunday School because you haven’t realized that I was wicked only up to the second before I asked the Lord’s forgiveness.

    I was about 8 years old, when I discovered, via the good book (I think it was Matthew), that Jesus said “the Lord will forgive you seventy times seven.” That’s 490 times!
    I have used the forgiveness “get out of jail” card so sparingly, that I still have more than 450 chances left.
    Even so, as I grew older, it dawned upon me that forgiveness does not really carry a 490-times limit. The Lord himself said (I think it was in the book of Isaiah): “Though your sins be as red as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow.” Do I get an Amen?

    Here endeth the reading of today’s bible lesson by Brother Walter. We now call upon Sister Donna to lead us in prayer. After that, we will ask Brother Christopher Sinckler to collect the offering.

    When he cometh, when he cometh
    To gather his jewels,
    All his jewels, precious jewels
    His loved and his own.

    LOL


  12. LOL @ Dompey
    Bushie don’t normally waste time reading anything you post ..unless someone intelligent responds to you…. but in scrolling past your post @ 11.29 a.m. Bushie smelled something foul….via

    Bush Tea …And you come across as one of those armed-chair-advocates, who spins your daily bull from behind your computer- monitor. I wouldn’t even allow you to manage the dog for fair of the dog biting your ass up, for blabbing your mouth at it.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Are you accusing Bushie of being armed?
    ..and of operating from BEHIND the computer ….where the wires are …instead of in front by the keyboard ?
    ..and what the hell is this dog fair that you are planning? – to bite people’s donkeys?

    Shiite fella,
    you are babbling even worse than AC of late… ha ha ha
    Her panties are two sizes too tight….
    ..what exactly is YOUR excuse?

  13. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    Bushie;

    No need to apologize

    … and thanks for the compliment as I think Artax is in the top drawer of posters here except for a pardonable predeliction for jousting with the ac’s and dompeys of this world.

    Jeff Cumberbatch’s comments on the blog as an important harbinger of evolving democracy is perhaps the first time I have seen the blogs and particularly BU elevated to their rightful place in the mainstream media and by an important mainstream personage. The article also validates David’s herculean efforts in maintaining BU and its popularity through constant refreshing of topics, vigilant monitoring of posts and nudging posters to stay on topic. By attracting the likes of yourself, Walter Blackman, Artaxerxes, Hants, PUDRYR, Dee Ingrunt Word, Balance, Colonel Buggy, Due Diligence, Observing and others to post consistently here David has developed BU into what is arguably the best Blog in the Caribbean. But we must not negate the inputs by the AC’s, Dompey and some others which have improved the flavour of the BU offerings to the general public.

    If one is able to sift out the posts or posters with political or other agendas the blogosphere and BU is the only place to be if one wants unvarnished information on any hot button topic of relevance to Barbados and its development.

    I salute Jeff on his avant-garde article and look forward to more like it in the future.


  14. @AWTY

    You guys from the old school (Jeff included) do have a way with words. The BU virtual space continues to be enriched by your presence. BU has achieved because of the willing contributions from ALL, even the dullards and the intelligent.


  15. AC

    Sista… please disregard Bushie irrational comments because as you well know, this brother is still operating on pure milk-teeth; much like the child who doesn’t possess the individual courage to stray far from BU protective roof. Now doesn’t Bushie speaks as though he has been given some sort of a strong stimulant which benumbs and distorts his sense of reality? His social discouse seems rather analogous to a certain reclusive fogy here on BU, (piece) who doesn’t know how to separate reality from illusion and delusion. So he continues to spew his incessant and incoherent babble to elicit some kind of a laughable response from his team of loyal supporters.

  16. Commander in Chief aka -Prankster the Mankster eating Mangoes sunnyside up and egging off while Alfing around to the Max Avatar
    Commander in Chief aka -Prankster the Mankster eating Mangoes sunnyside up and egging off while Alfing around to the Max

    BU -achieved ?
    May I be enlightened Sir ?
    Can you list dem there achievements Sir ?


  17. ..well for one thing it gives you something to write about in your otherwise meaningless blog… 🙂 Jack!


  18. @Walter—

    Brother Stinky done tek yer wallet before U sat down! lol

    I neglected to mention earlier to Dompey that the very clever Actuarial people virtually never get noticed. Probably due to the fact that Actuaries are very pessimistic Chtd Accts on steroids—-just kidding.


  19. @Are we there..
    .
    Mr Standard, First name Harold, worked with me at the hospital laboratory for a while, then he came to Canada and continued working in the medical laboratory field.
    When I came to Canada we hooked up again and have been very good friends over the years. He has retired now and we keep in contact. He lives here in ”Scarborough, not too far from me.
    @Dompey,
    Paul Steinbok was indeed one of the brightest students to come out of Barbados. We entered UWI at Mona together. We studied Microbiology together(he was studying medicine, but had to do Microbiology) and he always impressed me with his facility at understanding and constantly getting top marks. Even though he was a Barbados Scholar, he earned extra money taking photographs of students. He was photographer for my graduation ceremony, and he took photographs of Yaws lesions of patients when I did my Master’s Thesis.
    He is indeed one of the top Paediatric neurosurgeons in Canada,working out of Vancouver’s top hospital. If you are looking for him in African American listings you won’t find him. He is Jewish.You might find Hadley Clarke, also a Neurosurgeon,(still has a practice in Barbados) and his brother Hilary a Neurologist, working in Long island now.
    Our educational system has produced outstanding scholars in every field. People seem to forget that it is the individual’s decision to determine what field he wants to enter. We should not try to decide for the individual. And I have said it before, no one is tied to Barbados or the Caribbean.

    Bushie;
    I was too old to do CXC.’ I did the Oxford and Cambridge exams. SO YOU ARE MISTAKEN ABOUT ME, AGAIN. In my day CXC had not yet been formed.


  20. @Alvin C—

    Did U know Lyndsey Cupidor from Guyana he was at Mona around that time and told me that Paul used to receive Christmas Cake and try selling slices to the fellas. I appreciate that such celebrations are not Jewish and that Cupi was a jokster. Cupi was taking OBGY in London UK and always trying to scare me into believing my girlfriend who was a lil high waisted was pregnant.

    You probably knew Hugh Eastmond at the Ont govt Lab?

    Alvin you are certainly are no young pup if U took O&C, as Cambridge OES was in full force in the mid/ late 60s.


  21. @Commander in Chief aka -Prankster the Mankster eating Mangoes sunnyside up and egging off while Alfing around to the Max

    Just having you login to BU registers as an achievement 🙂


  22. Alvin Cummins

    Thanks for the information Alvin. I took the initiative to research Dr Paul Steinbok academic-accolades, as well as his far-reaching international acclaim, and I must say that I was rather impressed by this man who bears the nationality Barbadian. I am not quite sure if the man is being promoted in the academic environment of Barbados, as an example of academic excellence, but if he isn’t he certainly ought.


  23. MoneyBrain

    Dr Paul Steinbok, certainly does surpassed Dr Ben Carson in the area of pediatric neurology, but unfortunately, Steinbok hasn’t gotten the kind of exposure here in the States as Carson.


  24. “:Maybe you want to go back to the days when only one Barbados Scholarship was awarded”

    When this government wakes up droggy one morning and decides that Bdos scholarships would be no more I am sure that you would one of the first the support the unjustifiable decision.


  25. @ Jeff

    “………… but suffice it to say that both sides of the political divide have seen it fit to accuse the local print media of being unduly adverse/supportive of their party or the other.”

    On Thursday, August 13, 2015, while listening to VOB’s 12:30pm news, I heard a news item in which the DLP’s general secretary, George Pilgrim, saying that it was ridiculous what specific media houses were not engaging in fair reporting of the truth as it relates to the DLP. Pilgrim went on to imply that those media houses were basically being politically influenced.

    I have noticed that politicians conveniently forget when the occasion suits their cause or they think some Barbadians suffer from short-term loss of memory. The DLP, while in opposition, enjoyed an extended honeymoon vacation at the expense of the Nation Newspaper under Harold Hoyte and VOB’s “Brass Tacks” and “Tell it like it is” call-in-programs, which had a plethora of DLP apologist as moderators. During those years, The Nation Publishing Company and StarCom Network were “the best things since sliced bread” for the DLP and its supporters. Their love for these two entities has dramatically changed over the past 5 years.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ironically, in 2005 (ten years prior) then prime minister Owen Arthur expressed sentiments similar to that of Pilgrim. For example, on Thursday, March 17, 2005, the Nation carried a news item, headlined: “PM Blasts Nation.” The story went on to state:

    “Prime Minister Owen Arthur has criticised the NATION newspaper for what he sees as a BIAS in its reporting on the problems of the Urban Development Commission (UDC). Holding a photocopy of Page 5 of last Friday’s WEEKEND NATION dated March 11, he told the House of Assembly yesterday the feedback/ opinion poll carried was another “clear attempt” to “manipulate” public opinion and gain favour for Opposition Leader Clyde Mascoll and “every aspect of the functioning of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC)”……..”

    “I truly feel so, but I feel also that this unchecked, like all the other things that have been done recently in the NATION newspaper, to put the work of the PAC and the work of the member for St Michael North West in a light that tears down the Government to promote the opposition, is further proof of what I’ve been saying – an attempt to MANIPULATE THE MEDIA UNFAIRLY TO DISCREDIT THE GOVERNMENT.”

    Arthur also implied that the Nation manipulated an opinion poll, mentioning if things like this continues, “it would reduce the NATION newspaper from being a GREAT NEWSPAPER to being A RAG.”

    “That people randomly chosen in Barbados are strongly in support of the work that the Member of St Michael North West is doing to hold the Government’s feet to the fire,” Arthur said. Reading five of the six names and professions given in the poll, the St Peter MP said it was “a very serious matter” because the poll was done at the Democratic Labour Party’s (DLP) George Street headquarters.”

    “Here are the facts: The caretaker called Mr. Moore is the person who serves drinks at the bar at the Democratic Labour Party in George Street. “Mrs. Straker, Sir, is the lady who cooks food for the Democratic Labour Party every Friday for their Friday afternoon session. “Mr. Wiltshire, the retired one; he is the one called ‘Who Say’ and he is the person who looks after the George Street auditorium. Mr. Miller is Who Say’s friend and he helps [him] in managing the auditorium. “And Mr. Boyce operates an office that used to be managed by the DLP Women’s League,” he said.

    “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.” (John-Baptiste Alphonse Karr)

  26. de Ingrunt Word Avatar

    Yes Artax well said, things do remain the same despite a perspective that there has been change. But fortunately for us here and wherever David’s BU reaches is that you are here now to push, prod and notify the ‘independent’ among us to see and understand the unabated nonsense that comes from the mouths of these politicians.

    Social media gives us the ability for that ‘check your facts’ inquisition and you are a leading proponent here.

    As you have clearly shown, the Nation over the years has been a strident voice on the news of the day; some stories may have been pushed harder than others or some even suppressed but all-in-all there has been seeming equal bashing of inept governance or perceived malfeasance.

    The Nation is a business and advertising not the sale of BLP or DLP propaganda is their main revenue stream. And surely the simple equation for the Nation has been: more readership = higher ad rates = more revenue = better profits.

    It was noted just last week that the profits of their OCM media enterprises was significantly higher than some of their Jamaican regional media players, for example.

    The politicians have also a simple equation to their revenue stream of votes: blame enemies for all mistakes = all negative media news is from political enemies = grandstanding is confident PR = popularity = votes

    You sir, along with David and BU are a key balancing act in that political equation…maybe something like : objectivity, truth and transparency , does not = popularity, does not = votes.

    Long may your strident objectivity last!


  27. Freedom of expression is a fundamental right with lured guarantees limits which secure and protects all individuals against slander and malicious intent by word or deed
    With the advent of technological interaction via correspondence there has been an overflow of abuse to inhibit with bullying action
    If such a trend continues the negative actions of a few might give legitimate conservative rise for hardened and stringent policies to be put in place as a combatant against free speech abuse via social media


  28. de Ingrunt Word August 17, 2015 at 9:19 AM #

    “The politicians have also a simple equation to their revenue stream of votes: blame enemies for all mistakes = all negative media news is from political enemies = grandstanding is confident PR = popularity = votes.”

    De Word, your above comments describes the issue perfectly. Politicians from BOTH political parties are guilty of exploiting the political process and their supporters.

    Shortly after the 2008 general elections, the DLP’s “mottos” were “blame the BLP” and “the worst recession in 100 years,” as a cop-out for their inability to proactively solve problem confronting Barbados. Politicians are aware that the gullible party supporters would readily accept and allow these “phrases” to guide them, to the extent that it became a part of their vocabulary when discussing the general political and economic environment of Barbados.

    Furthermore, when the DEMS were confronted with criticisms about their handling of the economic situation, the new “motto” used to encapsulate their supporters was “instead of criticizing, bring solutions.” Again, the party hacks used this phrase in their verbal or written commentary. Check many of the ACs’ contributions to BU.

    George Pilgrim “adequately” addressed “all negative media news is from political enemies” in last week’s press conference, while Donville Inniss uses the “grandstanding is confident PR,” since, in doing such, his popularity has increased whereby many people are saying he should be the next prime minister. In my opinion, Inniss grandstands and talk a lotta shiite, which is evidenced by the nonsense he spews specifically at constituency branch meetings.

    The press had PERFECT opportunities to hold this DLP administration under scrutiny as it relates to the proposed CAHILL project and their [DEMS] promise of good governance (as outlined in their 2008 election manifesto) to immediately implement ITAL; press briefings by Ministries/Departments to inform Barbadians of major developments and changes; the publication of details of agreements and contracts involving the government and its agencies; and formal Ministerial statements at regular intervals on the progress of ongoing programmes and projects.

    Additionally, questions were raised about apparent conflict of interest issues relative to SSA trucks and Transport Board buses being repaired by Trans-Tech Inc. and ministers Denis Lowe and Michael Lashley allegedly driving vehicles owned by that Kendal Hill establishment. The press could have referred to that 2008 manifesto and the DEMS stating they “SELECTED A TEAM OF CLEAN, caring, competent and committed politicians who have SIGNED ON to a CODE OF CONDUCT that promises Good Governance.”

    The DLP, on page 47 of their 2008 manifesto, reminded Barbadians that “Reports from the Auditor General are disregarded.” Interestingly, concerns the Auditor General highlighted during those years continue to occur under this present DLP’s tenure.

    Finally, David Estwick publically stating that the DLP’s economic policies exacerbated the effects of the economic recession and went to parliament to endorse those same policies, have all the qualities for an excellent newspaper story.

    Unfortunately, rather than hold politicians accountable for being in solidarity with their party and collectively supporting an issue and subsequently criticizing it in their “private capacity”, as well as parties accountable for their “inaction,” the press seems comfortable with this “political to and fro” depending on which party is “in power.”

    Surely the press has been giving the DEMS a free pass for the past 7 years.


  29. @Balance:
    I am old but I am not stupid. I lived in the days when I had to pay fees to go to cawmwere. I lived in the days when the brightest student did not get the Barbasdos scholarship. I lived in the days when parents had to make painful decisions on which son would or could go to secondary school. Would I therefore rejoice if ANY government reduced the number of Barbados scholarships and exhibitions? Especially when the DLP is the government that increased the number of such scholarships and exhibitions? You are more stupid than I gave you credit for. Your duck feathers are dropping out.

    @Money Brain, I am no young pup. I graduated from Cawmere in 1951. I knew Hugh Eastmond very well. I lost contact with him a number of years ago. When he was at the Government Lab, I was working at Mt. Sinai Hospital; Charge technologist, Microbiology
    (Immunology and Serology) I do not remember Lyndor from Mona.


  30. . ‘I lived in the days when the brightest student did not get the Barbasdos scholarship”

    I have never attempted to writ a book and so I wouldn’t refer to you as stupid just purblind in your efforts to defend the indefensible but on another what evidence do you have that the brightest student did not get the Barbados scholarship in those days in which you lived.


  31. “I lived in the days when I had to pay fees to go to cawmwere. ”

    ‘This setback is actually good for the young people. they need to become more self reliant and forward thinking’

    Well it seemed that what you described as a setback was not good for you and did not help you to become more self-reliant and forward thinking. One day when you sit and reflect on your posts you would come to the realisation that what I am saying is true.


  32. Alvin C wrote

    I lived in the days when the brightest student did not get the Barbasdos scholarship.

    Interesting, please amplify for our education.

    Thanks for your reply, Hughy and his wife ran a couple of Nursing homes in Penetang and out by Kingston (while still managing the Govt Lab, his associate there was my client), it did his blood pressure no good and eventually he went blind in one eye very suddenly. I loss track of him when my client a Trini retired, but later learnt he had passed. Very hard worker who had success but maybe at a steep price, I dont know whether he ever was truly able to enjoy.

  33. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    Alvin;

    Thanks for the information on Harold Standard. This is the first information I have had on him since he left to go to Canada in the very early 1960’s. I worked with him in the Medical Labs at the old General Hospital and at Enmore before leaving to take a different career path to the chagrin of Dr. Dos Santos who wanted me to do medicine instead. You remember that old Flame Photometer in the Lab? I was the only one who could get it to work reliably and saved it from being thrown out in one of Dr Dos Santos’ periodic instrument purges. Does Harold ever get back to Barbados?


  34. @ Are we there…;
    I think I can place you now. Of course I remember the Fame Photometer; how else could we have gotten our electrolytes done? Yes Harold gets back to Barbados for the winters every year. I spoke to him just day before yesterday. He comes back for the summer to Toronto , and goes back home for the winters. We are too old now for these long cold winters here. My planned schedule for the same summer/winter sojourns got disrupted last year when I became ill. I shall see if Harold remembers you and give him your regards.

    @ Moneybrain;

    Amplifying on my previous statement for your edification. Sorry I have to refer to myself again.
    In my day, the fees to go to a secondary school like, St. Michaels or Combermere was sixteen dollars($16.00) per term. Wages in those days were meagre; my mother worked as a maid. Her wages were ten shillings per week. A shilling was twenty four (24) cents, so she worked for $2.40 per week, with which to pay rent and feed, clothe and educate four children; me, my brother and my two sisters. Our father; a seaman, died in Bermuda, when I was seven years old. My mother never remarried, so she had to raise us all without his support. Although he survived torpedoing, (if he had died at sea she would have gotten a pension from the Harrison Liners with whom he worked,at least that would have helped) he took ill and died on land, so we did not qualify for that pension..
    Anyhow, to continue. Many families, especially those in country districts, who were labourers on the plantations, worked for even less. Fees for Harrison college or Queens college were even higher twenty four dollars a term;for Harrison College, or any of the other secondary schools, you can imagine the strain it put on families; financially and psychologically. Thus if a family had in three or four children who were bright enough to go to a secondary school, the money to pay for even one child, far less two or three, would have been so onerous that the family had to make the choice of which one would go to secondary school., and which would go to work in the fields. I was fortunate to some extent because I won a vestry scholarship, and my brother was awarded a scholarship; (Combermere Old Scholars Association) which paid some of the fees, but books had to be purchased, (second and third hand), lunch had to be acquired and all the other expenses. Parents in those days had to be among the worlds’ greatest economists. They knew how to stretch a dollar; how to cut and contrive, and still keep their pride.

    That was the significance of Barrow’s decision that ALL children gaining admission to secondary school would go without having to pay ANY fees. it then opened secondary education to everyone and not a select few, and families did not have to make the types of choices they had to previously.

    When I decided that I wanted to go to university; (it HAD to be overseas) I was awarded a tuition waiver to State University of New York, based on my SAT results; The exam was held in Barbados, paid for by me, but supervised by a. teacher from the Evening Institute, at the time. I had to work on campus for all my other expenses, This is not only my experience, but was repeated in many other households, where the money, or access to money, was short
    but the desire to study was great.
    People were ambitious and worked with what was available

    @ Money brain,

    re:” I lived in the days when the brightest student did not always get the Barbados scholarship.”
    In those days one person was awarded a Barbados scholarship. It was a competitive exam and the tests were corrected in England (set in England too) The results were sent back through the department of education, and it has become common folk lore that the results were switched so that a famous person was awarded the scholarship, when they had not actually secured the highest marks. It was a colour thing.


  35. @Alvin

    Are you saying if we are to judge from your comments on BU your intelligence has dimmed a litter over the years? Because you have the resume of a ‘bright’ boy in your youth

    A joke 🙂


  36. glad that you (david) have finally come to the realization that Mr,cummins is not a demented ole man. but is very smart and intelligent and does not need to be guided or rely on any given advice by any select person/s to advanced his opinions, for too long here on BU when an opposing view is presented the rule of thumb is name tag and hash tag such views as “clueless”
    Over the past few days any one reading Mr, Cummins comments would have to be clueless to believe that he was a puppet of any organization, his views have been refreshing or as they say a breath of fresh air,

  37. are-we-there-yet Avatar
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    Alvin;

    An excellent post!

    It describes exactly what it was like to qualify and attend a Secondary school in those days as a child of working class origins and fits firmly within the context of Jeff’s article.

    Your experience is somewhat similar to mine in that my parents were also from the working class, with my mother’s work being a housewife looking after the children while my father carried out his carpenter / joiner trade with several forays Overseas. It was tough for them to send us to school but they did it while undergoing many hardships and sacrifices. We were fairly lucky. I was the eldest child and I qualified for both Combermere and HC. My father chose HC and then I won a Foundation scholarship at HC so my parents only had to find clothes and food, etc. for me for nearly all of my school days there. My brothers and sisters all qualified for Secondary Schools, HC, St Michaels,Combermere and QC, most of them in the days of Free Secondary Education.

    Barbados has come a long way since then, fuelled in large part by the vision and practice of Free Secondary Education. A pity that this lot so mismanaged the economy as to have no option but to dismantle one aspect of that system (LOL). However, I agree with you that the current and coming times are likely to strengthen the resolve of some youngsters now in the system, as they realise that they themselves have to bear a large share of the necessary costs and not totally depend on freenesses from government to get ahead of the game.

    They will turn out all the better citizens.

    Glad to hear that Harold Standard returns to Barbados annually. Tell him he should be able to contact me through your sister and I’m in the directory.


  38. Alvin Cummins, your above comment moved me deeply, and I can say without any equivocation that I have the utmost respect for you sir. No disrespect to MoneyBrain, but it would appear as though he cannot relate to you because he was probably born with a silver spoon stuck in his mouth.


  39. Alvin, if you may permit me to address in this manner sir, but you have more credibility in my book than that fraud Georgie Porgia, who run around this blog spewing his plagiarized information.


  40. @Alvin–

    Thanks for elucidating, not surprising as those days were tough, importantly you proved the old saying that “when things get tough, the tough get going” as in finding a solution. I did not discover, until recent years, that some of the fellas at HC with me in the 70s had been hungry at school. Naturally, pride prevented them from speaking up at the time but not from becoming successes. I would have assisted them by organising those more financially able to complain at home for more lunch, so we could share.


  41. @Dompey–

    You have absolutely no evidence for saying that MB cant relate or had a silver spoon. I spent most of my formative years with black kids— my neighbours, the village kids where I played Cricket/Soccer and at HC. My father went to work at 13 having to leave Cawmere young and my mother was orphaned at 8 yrs one of 7 children. Needless to say my parents were very strict especially with finishing your food, no wastage. By the time I came along my family was no longer poor but we were not spoilt. I mixed with well known darker families that were given access to things like cars, fancy clothes, that I did not have.


  42. What will be achieved by a bunch of anonymous people excluding Alvin and a few others personalizing comments?


  43. @ Everyone,

    Thanks for your kind sentiments.

    Voice of Barbados; (VOB) once had a call in program called “Tell It like it is.” I have just told it like it was, and to also emphasize that my case was not unique. Many Many families had similar experiences. In Primary school,children went to school with shoes highly polished; (you had to have your shoes polished for inspection when you lined up outside the classroom before going in. Hair had to be combed and finger nails cleaned.) those who had shoes, but in many cases the shoes had holes in the bottom with cardboard as inner soles.But the shoes would be shining. As Money Brain said, many went to school hungry, but their pride made them bear the hunger and still study; perhaps harder. Failure was not an option.


  44. MoneyBrain

    “By this time I came along my family was no longer poor”

    Money, I am quite sure you’re a good man and meant no harm, but your attempt empathize with the struggles and sacrifices of the common people of Barbados through your association is not very convincing in my estimation. Listen Money, I was born and bred quite poor in Barbados, but yet I still cannot relate neither can I empathize with the struggles and sacrifices of the African kid who has to hunt for his own food in the bush, fetch water from the river, live in a house made of manure and mud, cook on wood fire, and defecate in the bush, amongst many other dehumanizing and distasteful things. And finally my dear friend, if you may permit me the pleasure to regard you in this light? There is an old perennial-dictum which says: ” One ought not to render a judgment until he/she has walked a mile in another shoes.”

  45. are-we-there-yet Avatar
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    David you asked;
    “What will be achieved by a bunch of anonymous people excluding Alvin and a few others personalizing comments?”

    I think this thread is remarkable in that it gets the participants nearer to a true “Electronic rumshop” concept. The people in the traditional rumshop knew one another and part of the attraction was the disagreements and agreements and fights and personalization of comments, etc. Most of the people who patronized rumshops were friends or became friends, not only through the drink, but through the conversations. They solved many a personal or national problem in those rumshop discourses and developed a level of tolerance for opposing views as they got to understand or appreciate why people could quite easily develop such views based on their peculiar life experiences.

    This thread, with Alvin using the BU electronic medium to get to an important aspect of the ” evolving democracy” theme, i.e. the early manifestations of democracy and the social and economic pressures it brought with it as it progressed from the standpoint of personal experiences, while laying bare the circumstances which moulded him and his outlook on politics and national development in Barbados is an important development which could not have the same powerful effect if it were delivered by a totally anonymous poster. But some anonymous posters, including myself and Dompey and moneybrain, have personalized their experiences in several disparate posts on BU so I think that the BU family knows us as real living individuals who are consistent in our recollections of occurrences in Barbados and can contribute to this unfolding even though at a less forceful level.

    The relative anonymity of the BU rumshop goes one better than the traditional one in that a BU family member can quite easily predict almost exactly what the views of any regular poster will be about any particular topic. That may also be true of the regular rumshop but the difference is that anyone consistently reading the Blog can get a feel for the pulse of the regulars and, if they are a microcosm of Barbadian society, can get a feeling for where the political wind is trending; what is the level of popularity of certain national figures; what people feel about new initiatives being taken in the country, etc. etc.

    BU is real!


  46. MoneyBrain

    How can I really emphasize with a man who has been afflicted with the medical-necessity of Cancer, when I haven’t been stricken by it myself? Money, do you understand the logic in my argument, or what I am trying to induce you to comprehend?


  47. yaba yaba yaba…

    Bushie is not moved by Alvin’s sob story.
    Practically every damn black student who went to secondary school in the 50’s and 60’s (especially Cawmere) was poor as shiite ….many with even more difficult stories than Alvin’s.
    That does NOT provide an excuse to become a DLP ‘pooch licker’…. on the contrary..
    Yuh would think that someone coming from such a background would be concerned about current BLACK LEADERS getting in bed with all kinds of shady foreigners and local bribers to juck black people in their damn eyes…

    Alvin may impress wunna with his sob story…. “poor me I was poor as shiite and Bushie here cussing me left, right and centre… ” But contributions here on BU have NOTHING to do with his poverty or his academic qualifications…. Either talk sense logically, ….or hold yuh ass for some whacking – ..
    What Alvin needs to do is to come with some SENSIBLE contributions to the discussions – especially politically biased discussions, and hold off on the lotta shiite talk about his poor background on an anonymous blog – that will come back to haunt him….

    Poverty is no excuse for yardfowlism and brass bowlery…


  48. @Dompey,
    A small correction in your post. (Not being rude or anything) what you mean to say is “empathize” whose meaning is different from “emphasize”. So you can, as a medical person (as money brain obviously is), “empathize” with a person afflicted with cancer, because in your work you would have come to understand the pain and suffering they have to go through, either as a result of the illness or the severity of the treatment.


  49. Are We there Yet,
    Harold remembers you and says hello. Spoke to him tonight.Will send you his email address.

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