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Submitted by Margaret Harris
Shamar Weekes
Shemar Weekes

A little boy in Barbados has died. Not in sleep or because he had an illness. He did not die like so many little boys  walking certain neighbourhoods because he was black; Barbadian boys are supposed to have a real chance at a future. He did not die by falling off the back of a cane-truck like a child I knew who would now be diagnosed with ADHD, not that that diagnosis would necessarily be true. He died because someone did not listen and if they had listened, they did not hear and if they heard, they did nothing about it. He said goodbye to his classmates and left them for the day. He told them they would not be seeing him anymore, as if he had had a plan,  as if he knew that something was going to happen to him, even if he inflicted the wound himself. But did he cause his own death?

Someone said that there was a big gash somewhere on his head, that he didn’t kill himself. But we all know what happens when there is too much speculation  through second and third party whisperings without speaking to the source and Shamar Weekes, tiny it seems by any standard for a 14 year old,  is not here to tell his truth. In any case, whether he faltered  too sad  to scream or laugh or try to fight anymore, to beg for an opportunity to live the life he wanted, Shamar Weekes was figuratively pushed. The literal take on the story, we will have to wait for later, when the second and third party versions of what went on in the house and Shamar’s  mind are over, emotionalism has simmered down and investigators match evidence to speculation, or not match evidence to speculation and somehow we carry on with our lives, much as we did before. For barring a miracle, this is what I expect to happen. We are like ostriches; we come up for air to guzzle at the spectacle or even be sad, then we bury our heads again because indeed we need to carry on. Back to our corner of the woods, our designated roles, our own troubles, the lives we created for ourselves. Someone else will take care of it. Aren’t we all playing our parts in the (re) construction of this beautiful country?

Shamar died here in  this land, where community is supposed to mean more, in his house  in misery and in pain. He is not the first child to have died but something about the way he came to his end opens up the country to examine its soul – not only the neighbours who must for the rest of their lives live with the knowledge that they heard the bumps and the thumps, the licks and the bruising of the teenager’s spirit and did nothing; nor the people who saw him sucking limes but responded only so much and no more, nor the woman who thought  twice when he asked her  to,but she did not take him in. The entire nation will be put on trial whenever this case is heard. We have to go deep and ask, which child was/is in trouble that I did not/have not assisted? We have to ask, how much did I turn my head to hunger, to stories about sexual abuse, to a child’s suffering which must surely be the mother of all sufferings?

What drives a young boy to be so cheerful at school, it is claimed, when something was so wrong? They say that men generally commit suicide when women only try but often fail. Why do little boys  and teenagers commit suicide? They also say “all” teenagers have some notion of killing themselves at some point in the transition to adulthood. But whether Shamar jumped, or was jumped, or whether his head was bashed with a hard heavy or metal object, he is dead. Barbados has to reason its way through the mire of this story and in so doing, come to terms with something about itself.

Remember when there were no murders in Barbados? Or only one murder a year and then two and three and so on?  You say, “ah but this is the world. it is happening the world over. We have things here that are great and good and wondrous” and all of that would be true. It is the not so wondrous changes and shifts we still have to deal with and what is the future we wish for our country and our children.

Everything is relative you say – neighbours do not have to respond, child abuse is a worldwide phenomenon, that is the place of the “useless” Child Care Board; But before the Child Care Board, there was the citizen. We are every bit as entitled to be watchdogs and caretakers in a country in which jobs are far fewer, child abuse is every other person’s story stretching across both the black and white communities. The future that is changeable, is what we always have to look to… in a country in which communities teem with dust and growth in “block children” and sure, yes, I may be overstating the case because afterall it is not Haiti or Jamaica or Guyana. And no, Shamar was not Shamar from the block – for all I’ve read and heard.

Coupled with the flight of something  that overtook him, Shamar died, they said, from a rope, his feet hanging or dangling, barely touching the floor, at an age in which memories only just begin to gather. Those memories, it is said, were far from good. Bad memories, cumulatively they say may cause great depression and suicidal thoughts. Shamar in that sense, was already a big man, grappling with fears it seems no young person should have to entertain at that age. Hiding sometimes, asking for help at others. Yet there he is, in the picture,  resiliently smiling, gritting his teeth, eyes attempting to dissimulate his burden, until the light in them could shine no more.

Until he died, the little boy was an unknown to the majority of us. Before he died, he, it is claimed, searched in years so young to find an answer to the problems that seared his soul. So what was it that took him to his death? There are no two ways to answer this: whatever verdict is arrived at – Shamar Weekes was definitely pushed.


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147 responses to ““Pushed””


  1. An outstanding piece of writing that should prick the conscience of every Barbadian. How sad however that it will affect but a handful of people who will change how they act and respond, as opposed to the vast majority who will carry on as before and leave it to someone else rather than get ‘involved’…..

  2. D Ingrunt Word Avatar
    D Ingrunt Word

    Mitchlans, yesterday a blogger made a personal point that speaks directly to this issue. She spoke of her involvement or tactic intervention – if I may phrase it that way – after her son spoke to her about a school mate who was in some distress. Her point was simple: she was doing her one-to-one civic duty to aid and assist that lad.

    She invited others to do the same. No fanfare, just a step and another and another…to the mile pole and then further along until someone else takes over or the runner can get to the finish line unaided.

    So don’t worry about the ‘vast majority’. The focus must be what will ‘I DO’.

    That is the key. As this author speaks well about and the blogger Donna highlighted yesterday.


  3. D Ingrunt Word May 20, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    I saw what Donna wrote yesterday and I applaud her as I do the few who take action rather than sit back, watch and do nothing, or worse still, look the other way. Whilst it is not my intention to seek acknowledgement, but rather to prove Donna’s point, although I have never been placed in a situation where I suspected any kind of child abuse, I have willingly provided mentorship to a local child who I believed would benefit from my skills and experience, even though the child already came from a loving family. In actual fact, I have spent a far greater amount of time supporting and assisting the elderly and infirm, many of whom are in great need and are also subjected to appalling abuse of all kinds. Donna is quite right, as are you in your comment, “the focus must be what will I DO”. But I fear the current culture is increasingly becoming one which less and less encourages or is conducive to that kind of participation, and so no doubt the corner occupied by those willing to ‘act’ will sadly remain a small one.


  4. Mitchlans,

    My calling, I have been told, is with the children. Your calling may very well be with the elderly. We each have our roles to play. I have done my little bit for the elderly but my focus is on the children. It appears that your work is supposed to be the other way around. I have over the years tried to galvanize my church members into action but they are more inclined towards “lamentations” and mind-numbing entertainment. I have recently acquired a partner whose words will not be dismissed as the mouthings of a mad woman. Therefore in addition to encouraging my son and other young people of the Sunday School to be aware enough to befriend at risk children at their schools and offer them support through difficult times I believe I may finally make some headway in my quest for community outreach and programmes for the youth. I have always been “mad” enough to believe I can make a difference. Unfortunately the average Barbadian is “sane”. I am willing to bear any label because Jesus Christ bore many untrue labels and remained undeterred to the end. Is anybody with me? Or are you afraid of a label?

  5. Pearl Carrington Avatar
    Pearl Carrington

    The evidence discovered during a forensic autopsy speaks for the person; when the deceased person can no longer speak for themselves. Miss P


  6. @Margaret Harris “Shamar Weekes, tiny it seems by any standard for a 14 year old, ”

    A Simple Response: 12 years old according to the media reporting, so maybe not small for his age.

    @Margaret Harris “the “useless” Child Care Board.”

    A Simple Response: The Child Cared is not useless. The Child care Board needs more and better foster parents. When a child is removed from an abusive home, the child has to go someplace and a loving competent foster home is the best place. But how many of us are willing to commit ourselves to being foster parents? And if we are not willing to to open our homes short term or long term to abused children…

    @”Someone said that there was a big gash somewhere on his head.”

    If there was a gash the post-mortem will reveal this, and a good pathologist can determine whether the injury occurred, days, weeks,months, or years before the final injury. If there were other injuries which were inflicted days, week, months, or years before the final injury the post-mortem will reveal these. Because injuries heal, but scars remain…

    Assault is a crime.
    Grievous bodily harm is a crime.
    Manslaughter is a crime.
    Murder is a crime.

    And Margaret we need the legislation to compel reporting by people charged with looking after children, social workers, teachers, nurses, guidance counselors etc. and these people need the training to spot the signs of abuse…and the police need such training also…so that if a report is made the Child Care Board can act to swiftly remove the child from the abusive situation..and to prosecute the abuser.


  7. Twice the postmortem started and stopped? How traumatic .


  8. We have lost the ability to collaborate and feel empathy. Has technology intruded to such a degree we have become so impersonal? What about how our society is structured I.e. Built up areas. Whatever it is we need to search for solutions.

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  9. To the Blogmaster. Postmortems are sometimes agonizing for those who remain and yes it would have been traumatic,

    My sympathy goes out to the family particularly those of them who wish to have this matter resolved and know the circumstances surrounding Shamar’s death.

    There are a number of issues that have been voiced here concerning those “responsible” parties neighbors, community, teachers, church, close friends.

    These speak to the larger problem across our society, reminiscent of “am I my brother’s keeper?” and form the central thread of many of the submissions not only here in this article but across many threads,

    Most of us, can be accused of “passing the buck” to someone else when we seem unwilling “to bother” or incapable of “standing in the way” and saying to the onslaught “no further”

    What gives some of us that mindset called character or backbone?

    It can be attributed to many things (i) a conviction based on our belief in GOD (ii) value systems instilled in us by parents (iii) rules and regulations that our continuing interactions with society enforce – school, church, community and (iv) our ability to distill and process output from the insidious enemy TV and Internet which the Bible is said to call the modern day tools of “The Lord of the Air”

    Some time ago I, as one of those who sought the services of our Coroner’s Office when my father died, and I was one who waited some 3 weeks to have a post-mortem done.

    I would have sought the professional services of this department in an attempt to confirm if Daddy died, as one blogger said, “as a result of old age, having lived beyond the three score years and 10 appointed to man” or from gangrene in his hip occasioned by a fall sustained while in the care of competent hospital staff particularly when said fall, ensuing wound and his pains, remained unattended for a whole week.

    Shamar Weekes’ passing is an even more serious problem requiring similar interventions and which, given all that is transpiring, should elicit the following questions

    The skills for this type of examination, are they resident in our system or country?

    I do not wish to cast any aspersions against our local professionals but I would ask you and others to consider this

    Hypothetically, what if they are not? Suppose the rumors which suggest “foul play” are true? Would a post mortem which does not rely on such expertise as would be required in subsequent charges, necessitate a calibre of post mortem expertise THAT IS INVIOLABLE?

    Are such skills resident?

    We continue sweeping these problems under the carpet with a confidence that broadcasts to our nation and the wider audience looking in that we have adopted a collective attitude “as long as we don’t have to deal with it today, it is not a problem” strangely confident that even though “we are sowing the wind, we will NOT reap the whirlwind”


  10. @davidweekes

    You have articulated valid positions. Surely we all should be able to agree there is a problem and a pressing need to generate solution to shift some undesirable behaviours if we want to improve.


  11. FYI…this submission has gone viral.

    @davidweekes > > You have articulated valid positions. Surely we all should be able to > agree there is a problem and a pressing need to generate solution to shift > some undesirable behaviours if we want to improve. > > >


  12. According to the press, we do not and have not since 2008 had someone who possesses the requistite skills in Barbados to carry out the forensic pathology required in this particular case. However, according to press reports, a suitably qualified professional is to be brought in from overseas to deal with this case.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/67671/autopsy-delay


  13. To Mitchlans

    People like me, and others, some of whom have lost relatives with gauze and tenotomy scissors left carelessly inside their body after some medical procedure now take solace in this information in 2015 shared in the Nation so called leader in national news

    There article says “A FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST will be flown into Barbados to supervise the autopsy on the body of (and you may add any name of our relatives that you want here)…”

    Do we really understand what we are dealing with here?

    This glaring shortage of qualified personnel to conduct what is critical for Shamar Weekes and what seems to be a constant in ongoing issues of medical care gone awry would suggest that we have a much larger problem on our hands doesn’t it?


  14. mitchlans May 21, 2015 at 8:01 AM #

    According to the press, we do not and have not since 2008 had someone who possesses the requistite skills in Barbados to carry out the forensic pathology required in this particular case. However, according to press reports, a suitably qualified professional is to be brought in from overseas to deal with this case.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    First World Barbados!!

    In days gone by, Dr. Sree Ramalu used to be in the papers as the Government Forensic Pathologist regularly giving evidence in court.

    My guess is he retired and was never replaced!! ….. no funds!

    In 2011 I was part of a hiking group who found skeletal remains.

    The Government had no Forensic Pathologist.

    Luckily, an ex RCMP man, Richard Goddard, spoke with Dr. Karl Watson who knew two who had been involved in an archeological dig here.

    They offered their services free, accommodation and airfare had to be found.

    Suffice it to say the GOB did not have the funds for even that.

    At that time members of the hiking group found from the Nation Archives that there were over 35 missing people in Barbados, most of them male.

    The remains we found turned out to be male, late teens early 20’s.

    Barbados has sure taken a giant leap ……. not forward and certainly not back … because we were at one time civilized enough to have a Forensic Pathologist.

    I see in today’s paper the fellow is a Russian who missed his flight in Trinidad.

    It is really sad to read of this poor boy, but we can learn from his misfortune.


  15. On an unrelated thread, I see the CLICO Joint Venture that appeared in the Forensic Report, Small Ridge Development Inc, had much of the bush on its lands at Small Ridge Plantation go up in smoke last night and it is still burning this morning.

    Neighboring Staple Grove as also affected.

    Shades of SBG Development Corporation, Simmons, Bannister and Greaves!!

  16. D Ingrunt Word Avatar
    D Ingrunt Word

    …”This glaring shortage of qualified personnel to conduct what is critical for Shamar Weekes and what seems to be a constant in ongoing issues of medical care gone awry would suggest that we have a much larger problem on our hands doesn’t it?”

    So, can igrunt me conclude that all the autopsies conducted on ‘suspicious’ deaths in the last four years are null and void because of unqualified medical personnel; or (2) there were no circumstances/suspicious deaths that required a FORENSIC pathologist?

    And please also clarify for me why the QEH med personnel started this autopsy with an ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’ if it was known that a forensic review was needed.

    Who made that final decision and was overruled iniially and then prevailed?

    What circumstances changed to bring a stop after the procedure started?

    I am absolutely too igrunt to understand these things so some guidance would be appreciated!!!!

    Condolencess re your Dad’s unfortunate fall and gangrene David W. For any of us who have gone done that gangrene road with a relative it is a horrific experience. For any of us who have had an elderly relatives at the QEH it too can be horrific.

    Not all med professionals contribute to that bad scene but the good ones really need to help weed out the bad ones because one wonders how they can treat patients with such disdain and contempt. Kudos to the great nurses and doctors. A pox on the rest!

  17. D Ingrunt Word Avatar
    D Ingrunt Word

    *** “At that time members of the hiking group found from the Nation Archives that there were over 35 missing people in Barbados, most of them male.”

    One question from that John would be what period were those 35 missing. The followup would be who were found, were dead or otherwise crossed off the list. Not something the Nation would have as they are not maintaining that as a key story.

    However, it is a question the police department or a NGO like the Men’s Group should know the answer.

    Is there a serial killer(s) in Barbados? Are these drug related abductions? A combination of the two or what? Are some, people who left by their own volition?

    And of course despite the gov’t not having money for plane/hotel fare (which is their crock of baloney) I hope these remains were identified, difficult though it be?

    Quite strange that leaders of a small country like ours would not be keen to get to the bottom of these issues.


  18. It would be much appreciated if there were someone fully qualified to answer why an autopsy would have started before it was stopped and a request made for a Forensic Pathologist to be brought in from overseas.

    I am far from qualified, but perhaps the answer lies in the question. During what may have started as a ‘routine’ autopsy to confirm that the cause of death was directly and solely attributable to hanging by the neck, a discovery or discoveries may have been made that suggested further indications which required a more specialised professional.

    If that is the case, and setting aside a separate debate about why Barbados does not have a resident Forensic Pathologist, one might at least give kudos to those involved for admitting the case required outside assistance and seeking it forthwith.

    Such admissions and subsequent requests seem glaringly absent in other unrelated circumstances.


  19. The remains we found were not identified from the list of missing persons.

    …. which means there are more people missing who have never been reported as missing.

    A sobering thought.

    I guess if an old woman can die in her home and no one know for a couple of years, Bajans can abandon their elderly relatives at QEH …. anything can happen.

    The list went back to Thelia Snagg, the girl who went missing in the 80’s I think.

    Will see if I can dig it up, pretty sure I put it here already.

    Google Thelia Snagg and Barbados Underground see what you find.

  20. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    here w go again! the illiterati harping and crowing about what they knoweth not
    bare mock sport in the BU rum shop

    @ Mr Weekes
    or from gangrene in his hip occasioned by a fall sustained while in the care of competent hospital staff particularly when said fall, ensuing wound and his pains, remained unattended for a whole week.

    Please kindly note that a fall in the elderly that causes a fractured hip is by itself a death sentence because of the blood supply to that joint. I am not talking about care or lack of care here, but of the facts of the relevant Anatomy.
    WE HAVE SAID THIS CLEARLY ALREADY ON BU

    Members of the illiterati can check these facts on Wickepedia LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL or better Robbins or Rubins or LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

  21. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    mitchlans May 21, 2015 at 10:47 AM #
    It would be much appreciated if there were someone fully qualified to answer why an autopsy would have started before it was stopped and a request made for a Forensic Pathologist to be brought in from overseas.

    WHY DONT YOU ASK THE “SAGE” BUSH TEA TO LOOK UP WICKEPEDIA FOR THE ANSWER TO THAT

    RE I am far from qualified, OBVIOUSLY
    but perhaps the answer lies in the question. During what may have started as a ‘routine’ autopsy to confirm that the cause of death was directly and solely attributable to hanging by the neck, a discovery or discoveries may have been made that suggested further indications which required a more specialised professional.

    DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT “a more specialised professional” WAS REQUIRED? LOL LOL LOL

    DOES THE “more specialised professional” KNOW SO MUCH MORE PATHOLOGY
    DID THE FIRST PATHOLOGISTS NOT KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT LETS SAY HE DID NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED FURTHER……………….E.G GIVING EVIDENCE IN COURT?

    DONT TAKE ME TOO SERIOUSLY—– I LEARNED MY PATHOLOGY BY ROTE…….AND TEACH IT BY ROTE LOL LOL LOL
    BARE MOCK SPORT IN THE BU RUM SHOP

    If that is the case, and setting aside a separate debate about why Barbados does not have a resident Forensic Pathologist,
    DO YOU THINK THAT OUR SMALL POPULATION CAN AFFORD OR REALLY NEEDS A FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST? CANT LOCAL PATHOLOGISTS JUST LOOK UPSTUFF ON WICKEPEDIA AND DEPEND ON THE PATH THEY LEARNED BY ROTE? LOL LOL

    WHEN PAUL SOUTHWELL DIED SUDDENLY IN CASTRIES YEARS AGO DID THEY NOT BRING IN SIR KIETH SIMPSON FROM SCOTLAND YARD

    WHEN BOB WOLMER DIED IN JAMAICA DURING THE 2007 WORLD CUP (OBVIOUSLY FROM COMPLICATIONS OF DKA) DID THE JAMAICANS NOT BRING IN A MAN FROM SCOTLAND YARD

    one might at least give kudos to those involved for admitting the case required outside assistance and seeking it forthwith. YOU MEAN YOU WILL ACTUALLY GIVE CREDIT TO SOME ONE WHO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING? YOU MEAN THIS HAPPENS IN BARBADOS. AND THAT BU POSTERS APPRECIATE SOME ONES KNOWLEDGE. DO YOU THINK THIS MAN LEARNED HIS PATHOLOGY BY ROTE OR THAT HE FOUND HIS FACTS ON WICKEPEDIA? LOL LOL LOL

    WATCH NOW! WATCH NOW!

  22. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    D Ingrunt Word May 21, 2015 at 9:58 AM #
    …”This glaring shortage of qualified personnel to conduct what is critical for Shamar Weekes and what seems to be a constant in ongoing issues of medical care gone awry would suggest that we have a much larger problem on our hands doesn’t it?”

    RE So, can igrunt me conclude that all the autopsies conducted on ‘suspicious’ deaths in the last four years are null and void because of unqualified medical personnel; or (2) there were no circumstances/suspicious deaths that required a FORENSIC pathologist?

    NO YOU THAT KNOWETH ALL . NO! DO YOU KNOW WHAT A PATHOLOGIST IS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT A FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST IS? WELL CHECK IT ON WICKEPEDIA THEN . LOL LOL LOL

    RE And please also clarify for me why the QEH med personnel started this autopsy with an ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’ if it was known that a forensic review was needed.

    YOU ARE A REAL IDIOT, ALWAYS TRYING TO ADJUDICATE WITH OUT THE FACTS OR WITH OUT A KNOWLEDGE OF PROCEDURES AND PROTOCOLS. PROFESSING YOURSELF TO BE WISE YOU SHOW YOURSELF A FOOL!
    MONKEY HANDLING MUSKET,

    ASK YOURSELF………WHAT WAS THE HISTORY? THAT SHOULD TELL YOU THE ANSWER. IT TELLS ME.

    WHAT IS an ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’ ? CANT A PATHOLOGIST DO A POST MORTEM?

    RE Who made that final decision and was overruled iniially and then prevailed? MAYBE IT WAS SOMEONE AS IGNORANT AS YOU.

    What circumstances changed to bring a stop after the procedure started? THE FIRST PATHOLOGIST REALISED THAT WHAT HE LEARNED BY ROTE WAS NOT ENOUGH AND HE COULD NOT FIND THE ANSWERS (FACTS) IN WICKEPEDIA. LOL LOL

    PERHAPS HE JUST DIDNT WANT TO WASTE HOURS IN COURT

    I am absolutely too igrunt to understand these things so some guidance would be appreciated!!!! WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE bsolutely too igrunt to understand these things WE KNOW. SO SHUT UP CAUSE YOU TALKING A BIG LOAD OF BOVINE EXCREMENT

    BARE SPORT IN THE BU RUM SHOP TODAY

    WATCH NOW

  23. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    davidweekes May 21, 2015 at 9:31 AM #
    To Mitchlans

    There article says “A FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST will be flown into Barbados to supervise the autopsy on the body of (and you may add any name of our relatives that you want here)…”

    Do we really understand what we are dealing with here?

    PERHAPS YOU DONT………BUT I DO

    THERE IS NOTHING SINISTER HERE

    WE DONT HAVE A FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST BECAUSE WE CANT AFFORD ONE

    THERE IS NO EMERGENCY OR LACK OF CARE HERE

    PATHOLOGISTS LOOK AT DEAD PERSONS NOT LIVING PATIENTS

    FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST ARE NOT A DIME A DOZEN LIKE THE TYPICAL POSTER ON BU

    RE This glaring shortage of qualified personnel to conduct what is critical for Shamar Weekes

    WHAT GLARING SHORTAGE WHAT?

    WHAT IS CRITICAL for Shamar Weekes? TELL ME.

    CRITICAL WHAT? IS THERE AN EMERGENCY HERE? NO EMERGENCY HERE SIR. wHY DO YOU THINK PATHOLOGISTS BECOME PATHOLOGISTS?

  24. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    David May 21, 2015 at 4:26 AM #
    Twice the postmortem started and stopped? How traumatic .

    david sir
    traumatic in what way? to whom?
    can you define “trauma”
    you can refer to Wickepedia or from what you learned “by rote” lol lol murdah rotflmao

  25. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Georgie Porgie May 21, 2015 at 12:44 PM #
    David May 21, 2015 at 4:26 AM #
    Twice the postmortem started and stopped? How traumatic .
    WHAT WAS THE PATHOLOGY?
    DO WE NEED A FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST IN THIS CASE?

  26. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    A CONFIRMED IDIOT ON THIS THREAD SPOKE ABOUT an ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’ ?

    CANT A DR DO A POST MORTEM?
    DIDNT ALL DRS LEARN PATHOLOGY BY ROTE AND BY CHECKING HIS FACTS IN WICKEPEDIA

    DID NOT DR BELFIELD BRATHWAITHE DO THE POST MORTEM IN THE JUMAN CASE ………AND WAS IT NOT THE TESTIMONY BY THIS ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’ SINK JUMAN, AND SENT HIM TO JAIL? AH LIE?

  27. D Ingrunt Word Avatar
    D Ingrunt Word

    Dr. GP, as usual your eminence brings light to dark places of ingrunce. Let’s assume I did my google search and now have a basic understanding of what a pathologist does and so too one trained in forensic pathology.

    But your sharp response above still did not answer my query to “clarify … why the QEH med personnel started this autopsy … if it was known that a forensic review was needed.”

    I have no perspective as to what kind of ‘history’ details would have informed their start and stop decision. Enlighten again, please.

    And to your query: “WHAT IS an ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’ ?”

    Obviously my sarcasm was not definitive enough but start by going back to my original question of why was the PM started if they intended to seek other assistance.

    I should have been pellucid and asked: How can educated medical professionals not determine whether they are capable or not to conduct an autopsy, particularly when they have been doing so for the last many years in situations of a similar nature.

    So an ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’ is the one or ones who decided that what they were doing was not going to pass the bar…pun intended!

    So I will now refrain from assaulting your nostrils with any more bovine doo-doo. As high brow as you are I am actually surprised that you even remember the smell and moreso with your head so far up the rear end of your esophagus that you would be able to identify any other odours!

    As usual it always a rousing pleasure to converse with one so sharp of word and wise intent with profound thoughts like “PERHAPS HE JUST DIDNT WANT TO WASTE HOURS IN COURT”. Spoken like the scholar, true gentleman and warm and kind doctor that you are.


  28. @GP

    Traumatic for the family and friends of the deceased 12 year old Shemar. According to press reports this is the correct spelling.

  29. D Ingrunt Word Avatar
    D Ingrunt Word

    BTW, Dr. GP for a gentlemen who once worked and doctored here it rather informative to read your ” … HE DID NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED FURTHER….E.G GIVING EVIDENCE IN COURT?”….. “PERHAPS HE JUST DIDNT WANT TO WASTE HOURS IN COURT”.

    Maybe I am missing your implied sarcasm.

    Because I would never imagine that you or any of your medical colleagues could be so indifferent and callous in a case involving a 12 year old lad and look at the matter in that way.

    But heh, time is money right…even in death of the innocents.

    Did you go to church on Sunday? You must have done your penance and will again next Sunday no doubt.

  30. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    D Ingrunt Word May 21, 2015 at 1:18 PM #
    RE Dr. GP, as usual your eminence brings light to dark places of ingrunce. I USUALLY DO LOL OR I SHUT UP

    RE But your sharp response above still did not answer my query to “clarify … why the QEH med personnel started this autopsy … if it was known that a forensic review was needed.”

    BECAUSE IT IS A STUPID QUESTION. HOW COULD “the QEH med personnel” “know that a forensic review was needed” BEFORE THE PM?

    Re I have no perspective as to what kind of ‘history’ details would have informed their start and stop decision. Enlighten again, please. I KNOW THAT YOU PRETEND TO BE SHARP, BUT …………….
    THE HISTORY IS SIMPLE THE CHILD WAS ALLEGED TO BE HANGED.

    It was expected to be a simple post mortem to comfim this.

    Re
    start by going back to my original question of why was the PM started if they intended to seek other assistance.

    WHO STARTS A PM if they intended to seek other assistance? Only the ignorant one..

    Re How can educated medical professionals not determine whether they are capable or not to conduct an autopsy, particularly when they have been doing so for the last many years in situations of a similar nature.

    ANOTHER STUPID QUESTION. Any forth year medical student could have conducted the pathology for a child alleged to have been hanged. That calls for basic knowledge of Anatomy.

    Re So an ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’ is the one or ones who decided that what they were doing was not going to pass the bar…pun intended! You are spinning top in mud and talking shite! There is no such think as an ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’ .
    Re profound thoughts like “PERHAPS HE JUST DIDNT WANT TO WASTE HOURS IN COURT”.

    WHY SHOULD A CLINICAL PATHOLOGIST DECIDE IF HE WANTS TO BE INVOLVED IN A COURT CASE OR NOT…………..WHEN HE CAN BACK OUT, IF HE CHOSES SO TO DO.

    Again you show your ignorance about doctors. The average doctor will refuse to see even simple cases that might eventuate going to court. BTW I WENT TO COURT REGULARLY FOR 20 YEARS TO GIVE EVIDENCE FOR THE CROWN

    Re Spoken like the scholar, true gentleman and warm and kind doctor that you are. FOR ONCE YOU HAVE SPOKEN TRULY———EVEN THOUGH IN YOUR IGNORANCE YOU DO nOT KNOW THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING THE TRUTH.
    YOU CHAPS ARE MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL

    NOTE THAT BEFLIELD BRATHWAITHE IN THE JUMAN CASE COULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE an unqualified non forensic doctor’! lol lol lol lol and a damn good one too! murdah ah lie?


  31. @mitchlans May 21, 2015 at 8:01 AM “According to the press, we do not and have not since 2008 had someone who possesses the requistite skills in Barbados to carry out the forensic pathology.”

    Which one of us who is studying medicine will go on to study forensic pathology, or which one of us will say to our son or our daughter “I want you to study to become a forensic pathologist? And is the Ministry of Educaton willing to grant a scholarship to such a person and to bond them to serve in Barbados for a number of years. We cannot continue to depend on foreigners to do our most difficult tasks.

    Forensic pathology is not “sexy” but…somebody has to do it.


  32. I’ve heard from sources within the QEH that a number of murder cases from recent years are likely to be thrown out because the post mortems were not done by a qualified pathologist.

    So murderers will walk among us.

    And yet we did not see fit to grant Dr. Sree Ramulu a national honor for the yeoman patriotic service he performed for Barbadians for decades.

    Why not was he too foreign?

    Too black?

    Too non-Christian?

    Was the nature of his work “too dirty” literally and figuratively. We don’t want to have to think about handling dead bodies, especially dead bodies which are not nicely dressed and powdered and made up, but battered and bruised and oozing and smelling.

    We grant national honours to all kind of pompous poppets.

    But for Dr. Ramalu, nothing except his pay cheque.

    So murderers will walk among us..and we will get exactly what we deserve.

  33. Colonel Buggy Avatar

    In Barbados we are treating the death of our citizens in the same fashion as we treat a dead vehicle belonging to the Transport Board, Sanitation Service , Ambulance Service, et al. Throw it to one side, and as Ronald Jones recommends, get a new one.

  34. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    RE TW, Dr. GP for a gentlemen who once worked and doctored here it rather informative to read your ” … HE DID NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED FURTHER….E.G GIVING EVIDENCE IN COURT?”….. “PERHAPS HE JUST DIDNT WANT TO WASTE HOURS IN COURT”.

    Maybe I am missing your implied sarcasm. NO SARCASM AT ALL. JUST POSSIBLY SIMPLY THE TRUTH? MOST DRS SHY AWAY FROM COURT.

    I LOVED TO GO CAUSE YOU USED TO LOVE TO DESTROY LAWYERS IN COURT WHO DARED TO SEEK TO CONFUSE ME IN CROSS EXAMINATION. WAS LIKE TAKING CANDY FROM A BABY

    RE Because I would never imagine that you or any of your medical colleagues could be so indifferent and callous in a case involving a 12 year old lad and look at the matter in that way.

    WHO CARE ABOUT YOUR SILLY IMAGINATION. DEAL WITH THE FACTS LOL

    RE But heh, time is money right…even in death of the innocents.
    YOU GETTING EMOTIONAL HERE MAN…………death of the innocents. HOW IS THAT RELEVANT?

    DID IT OCCUR TO YOU THAT THIS PATHOLOGIST PROBABLY HAS SO MUCH WORK TO DO ALREADY AND THAT HE IS PROBABLY BACKLOGGED?

    DUMMY DO YOU REALIZE THAT THE PM IS MINOR COMPARED TO PREPARING AND READING AND REPORTING ON SLIDES OF TISSUES TAKEN AT AUTOPSY?

    DID IT OCCUR TO YOU THAT THIS PATHOLOGIST PROBABLY MADE THE CORRECT JUDGEMENT CALL AL AROUND

    DO YOU REALIZE THAT YOUR IGNORANCE OF WHAT IS GOING ON HAS THE DIMENSIONS OF AN ABYSS?

    Did you go to church on Sunday? You must have done your penance and will again next Sunday no doubt. I DONT SEE HOW THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PRICE OF CHEESE IN THIS CASE.

  35. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Simple Simon May 21, 2015 at 2:13 PM #
    as you know forensic pathology is a sub specialty of pathology and requires further study after med school and pathology reseidency.

    re your rant about Dr. Sree Ramulu
    as far as I know………..

    note that he had some certificate and not the high fa lootun qualiications

    also he gave evidence in court that was not all that intelligible, and caused great difficulty to the process

    what you say below about the doctors who have been granted national honours is 100 true

    We grant national honours to all kind of pompous poppets.


  36. Dr. Georgie Porgie,

    I have read your powerpoint articles on many a medical subject here on BU and have wondered why a man of such obvious skills has decided, even in your retirement, not to return “home” to this 166 sq. mile island.

    On the one hand, I can identify with that challenge mostly because of the mediocrity that is rife here in so many areas and the small mindedness that obtains if it is perceived that you possess any “Comparative characteristics” i.e. brighter that another fellow, richer than, lighter than, and of course have more political friends than someone else.

    But then I have another query or concern that baffles me.

    I don’t know about where you live in Canada but I am sure that “if a fellow looks at you too hard you have the recourse of a law court to sue him past where he was born, IF YOU FEEL SO INCLINED, and unlike Barbados NO ONE IS GOING TO LOOSE YOUR FILE FOR 8 YEARS AND THEN THREATEN TO LOCK YOU UP WHEN YU ASK FOR A DAY IN COURT!!”

    If the Telecommunications companies BellCanada, ComWave, NorthernTel, implement an unfair practice against you, even though you don’t know the slightest thing about any other technical component of your phone system, you have the option to carry them to court in pursuit what is yours.

    For many of us illiterati here assembled, BU, amazingly enough is the equivalent of what you have available to you as a right.

    For the oppressed Bajan, BU is a place where you come and rant and rave, understandably on topics that we know nothing about.

    Take me for example, when a particular medical party who knew Daddy saw him shivering in his bed at the place of care, one week after his fall, WHEN THEY decided that “he was in enough pain to merit being moved there”, that medical person said “he was shivering, a 12 noon, and theirs was the advice, when they heard he died one day afterwards, that it was not old age.

    Forgive me I am not harping on this broken hip issue GP, what I am saying though os that all of us, including you up in Canada, with its first world practices, would wish to be in a place where there is respect for the rights of the average man or woman.

    This BU site or the Rum Shop as you often refer to it, is a place where ignorant people like myself, come and sound off about things that we know nothing about, like maybe you know nothing about computers or some topic outside the sphere of medicine that you are an ignoramus in.

    Some years back when I was 14 I had a pain in my stomach which everyone in the house thought was “gas”. I went across by my Grandmother (she was a retired District Nurse) who asked me to describe the pain and point to where i was feeling it.

    I said it felt like a “single pin point sticking me” and pointed to my left side. She told my mother to carry me to the Doctor immediately and when doctor Lyder took the blood sample, he immediately had me prepped for an operation and they took out my appendix with a black colouration in it, (I still have it in a jar, in those days they would give you the body part as a memento, Dr. Lyder said “if I had remained a few more hours it would have burst.”

    You are a doctor so you know that the appendix is on the right side BUT the pain CAN manifest elsewhere.

    What is the point I am making Dr. GP? Illiterati as I was, and continue to be to all things medical, I described my pain, in my non-medical terms, to two professionals who were able to use their skills to determine what was wrong with me.

    I think that you do yourself a serious disservice, as a Doctor of Some Standing and repute, to come to BU where it is obvious that we are not doctors like you are and, in a site where you would rarely meet a Fellow of the prestigious Canadian Medical Association, or encounter journals on cryolite asbestos, as would be found on the Canadian Medical Association Journal decry a man who thinks that eating an Oh Henry or drinking a Frutee, that is sugary, will give you diabetes

    It ill becomes you a man of your obvious learning to get into a fracas with ignoramuses and medical illiterati like those of us whose main concern is not to discern the difference between a coroner, a pathologist or a forensic pathologist but look on in abject incredulity as a 12 year who died last week Thursday CANT GET AN ADEQUATE EXAMINATION BY WHOMEVER THE PARTY IS TO BE, BLESS THEIR CORRECT MEDICAL DESIGNATION.

    DOES THAT PUT OUR ILLITERATI EXPOUNDINGS INTO CORRECT CONTEXT FOR YOU?

    AFTER A WHILE IT BECOMES EVIDENT THAT WHATEVER HAPPENED IN THE RUM SHOP ALL THESE YEARS BACK seemed to have so affected you that, every single encounter you get, you attack any medical remark made.

    I apologise for not knowing the correct medical term.

    I did not read the fine print that BU recently has been employing where things medical are reserved to DR. GP and none other like things political ARE ONLY TO BE remarked on by the Party in power


  37. @D Ingrunt Word May 21, 2015 at 9:58 AM “So, can igrunt me conclude that all the autopsies conducted on ‘suspicious’ deaths in the last four years are null and void because of unqualified medical personnel; or (2) there were no circumstances/suspicious deaths that required a FORENSIC pathologist?”

    About 6 months ago I was told of this situation [NO QUALIFIED PATHOLOGIST AND ITS IMPACT ON PROSECUTING MURDER CASES] by someone who works at the QEH. The staffer a highly intelligent but quite junior person [in status] was deeply, DEEPLY concerned…but a person with dependent children and naturally afraid of job loss.

    But if a junior staffer was aware and deeply concerned..surely senior officials of the QEH, the QEH Board, the the Minister of Health, the Attorney Generral, the Commissioner of Police, the Director of Public Prosecutions etc. ought reasonably to have know of the situation and ought to have been deeply concerned too and one or several of them ought to have solved the problem.

    We have money to buy lunches for well paid Parliamentarians and big rides for big shots and no money to hire a forensic pathologist.

    We all know that Dr. Ramalu was becoming old…surely his employer, the government of Barbados know his birth date and so know his likely retirement date…and yet no provision was made for a replacement.

    Ask the media to ask the government officials how many murder cases have been tried lately…and if the others are not being tried…why not???????

    We have become a bunch of highly paid jokers.

    THE COUNTRY SICK, THE COUNTRY AIN’T WELL…


  38. @mitchlans May 21, 2015 at 10:47 AM “During what may have started as a ‘routine’ autopsy to confirm that the cause of death was directly and solely attributable to hanging by the neck.”

    Dear mitchlans:

    There is no such thing as a routine autopsy.

    Autopsy’s are conducted PRECISELY because we do not know how or why the person died and to find out exactly what happened. No assumptions can be made beforehand.

  39. D Ingrunt Word Avatar
    D Ingrunt Word

    Thank you, good doc. As usual you read how and what you want to read. And I can’t understand your scholarly remarks.

    First of all, my remarks ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’ were in quotation marks for a reason. Maybe if you go back to 1st form English you will get the drift of that. Note I said I was being sarcastic. Or you may even come around to your statement “There is no such think as an ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’. But heh you are the scholar.

    Also help me wid: “HOW COULD “the QEH med personnel” “know that a forensic review was needed” BEFORE THE PM?”

    The fact that a child is dead by hanging and rumours of death by misadventure or more is going to inform a sharp doctor like yourself to proceed with the case… and then after the cut ‘bing’ : oh something looks suspicious and we need to get a forensic pathologist.

    You are saying to the public that is the process. OK. Sir.

    You amaze me to suggest that for 4+ years the docs started and ended autopsies but yet here they could not decide whether to go or not and you want us to believe it was because they could only determine that after they cut the lad.

    No such circumstances happened over the years but now voila. Just a molehill.

    Glad I am the ingrunt one here.

    And you know I only have great things to say about you and your strong christian focused behaviour . David and the BU family love you.

  40. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Take me for example, when a particular medical party who knew Daddy saw him shivering in his bed at the place of care, one week after his fall, WHEN THEY decided that “he was in enough pain to merit being moved there”, that medical person said “he was shivering, a 12 noon, and theirs was the advice, when they heard he died one day afterwards, that it was not old age.
    IT IS CLEAR AT THAT TIME THAT YOUR FATHER HAD A SERIOUS INFECTION SOMEWHERE…….. IT IS CLEAR TO ME THAT THIS WAS MISSED.

    HOWEVER, IT IS VRY HARD TO CARE FOR FOLK WITH FRACTURD HIPS……….BECAUSE OF DECUBITUS ULCERS THAT NSUES

    I said it felt like a “single pin point sticking me” and pointed to my left side. She told my mother to carry me to the Doctor immediately and when doctor Lyder took the blood sample, he immediately had me prepped for an operation and they took out my appendix with a black colouration in it, (I still have it in a jar, in those days they would give you the body part as a memento, Dr. Lyder said “if I had remained a few more hours it would have burst.”
    You are a doctor so you know that the appendix is on the right side BUT the pain CAN manifest elsewhere…………BECAUSE THE TIP OF THE APPENDIX CAN BE LOCATED IN THE LEFT ILIAC FOSSA INSTEAD OF THE RIGHT
    IN THE IRST ONE I SAW THE APPENDIX WAS IN THE RIGHT PARA COLIC GUTTER WITH THE TIP BEHIND THE LIVER.

    RE I think that you do yourself a serious disservice,
    NOT GUILTY SIR. I AM FREE TO SAY WHAT I WISH IN THE RUM SHOP, JUST AS THE ILLITERATI DOES. DON’T YOU KNOW THAT I AM NOT INTELLEIGENT…..THAT I LEARNED BY ROTE AND THAT I PUT STUFF ON BU THAT CAN BE FOUND ON WICKIPEDIA.
    I DID NOT HEAR YOU SAY ANYTHING THEN.
    I HAVE BEEN CALLED A PSYCHO — I DID NOT HEAR YOU SAY ANYTHING THEN.

    RE I did not read the fine print that BU recently has been employing where things medical are reserved to DR. GP and none other

    I DID NOT READ IT EITHER SIR LOL LOL LOL

    I AM HAVING SPORT IN DE RUM SHOP TODAY
    WHY DON’T YOU LEAVE ME ALONE

    RE It ill becomes you a man of your obvious learning to get into a fracas with ignoramuses and medical illiterati like those of us whose main concern is not to discern the difference between a coroner, a pathologist or a forensic pathologist but look on in abject incredulity as a 12 year who died last week Thursday CANT GET AN ADEQUATE EXAMINATION BY WHOMEVER THE PARTY IS TO BE, BLESS THEIR CORRECT MEDICAL DESIGNATION.
    DOES THAT PUT OUR ILLITERATI EXPOUNDINGS INTO CORRECT CONTEXT FOR YOU?

    THAT IS YOUR OPINION SIR
    YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION
    AM I NOT ENTITLED TO RUMBLE IN THE RUM SHOP LIKE THE REST OF WUNNAH ?

  41. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Also help me wid: “HOW COULD “the QEH med personnel” “know that a forensic review was needed” BEFORE THE PM?”

    HOW COULD THEY KNOW?
    HOW MANY PM’S HAVE YOU ATTENDED?

    The fact that a child is dead by hanging and rumours of death by misadventure or more is going to inform a sharp doctor like yourself to proceed with the case… and then after the cut ‘bing’ : oh something looks suspicious and we need to get a forensic pathologist.
    I DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS SO HOW CAN I ADJUDICATE?
    HOW CAN YOU?

    You are saying to the public that is the process. OK. Sir. NEVER SAID THAT

    HOW MANY PM’S HAVE BEEN DONE ON PERSONS WHO HAVE HANGED IN BARBADOS IN 30 YEARS NEEDED A FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST?

    You amaze me to suggest that for 4+ years the docs started and ended autopsies but yet here they could not decide whether to go or not and you want us to believe it was because they could only determine that after they cut the lad.

    YES DUMMY YES
    OBVIOUSLY THE MAN SAW SOMETHING THAT IN HIS JUDGEMENT FOR WHATEVER REASON HE CHOSE TO STOP THE PM

    I WAS NOT THERE
    BUT I THINK THE MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO EXERCISE HIS JUDGEMENT IRREGARDLESS TO THE OPINIONS OF THE MEDICAL ILLITERATI IN DE BU RUM SHOP——-JUST AS HE DID

    Glad I am the ingrunt one here. AND I AM GLAD THAT I AM THE SCHOLAR! LOL

    BARE MOCK SPORT IN DE RUM SOP

  42. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    IGNORANT JACKASS

    LEARN FROM SIMPLE SIMON WHO WROTE

    “There is no such thing as a routine autopsy.

    Autopsy’s are conducted PRECISELY because we do not know how or why the person died and to find out exactly what happened. No assumptions can be made beforehand.”

    RE D Ingrunt Word May 21, 2015 at 2:38 PM #
    Thank you, good doc. As usual you read how and what you want to read.

    NO I INTERPRET THINGS AS THEY ARE

    And I can’t understand your scholarly remarks. THATS BECAUSE YOU ARE DUMB

    RE Maybe if you go back to 1st form English you will get the drift of that. Note I said I was being sarcastic. Or you may even come around to your statement “There is no such think as an ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’. But heh you are the scholar.

    WHY SHOULD I GO BACK TO FIRST FORM

    I WON A SCHOLARSHIP TO MED SCHOOL AND QUALIFIED
    AND NOW TEACH MED STUDENTS
    AND YES I AM THE SCHOLAR

    AND I GUESS WE CAN CALL BELFIELD BRATHWAITHE an ‘unqualified non forensic doctor’ IN TH JUAN CASE .


  43. A 12 year old is alleged to have been found hanging in what appears to possibly be suicide but could be murder.

    Given that it is extremely unusual for 12 year olds in Barbados to hang themselves, a thorough police and forensic investigation is required.


  44. …”AFTER A WHILE IT BECOMES EVIDENT THAT WHATEVER HAPPENED IN THE RUM SHOP ALL THESE YEARS BACK seemed to have so affected you that, every single encounter you get, you attack any medical remark made.”….

    Wait Weekes you think so too. Thought it was only me.

    This scholar is whacked .

  45. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Lee Shep. May 21, 2015 at 4:20 PM #
    …”AFTER A WHILE IT BECOMES EVIDENT THAT WHATEVER HAPPENED IN THE RUM SHOP ALL THESE YEARS BACK seemed to have so affected you that, every single encounter you get, you attack any medical remark made.”….

    Wait Weekes you think so too. Thought it was only me.

    This scholar is whacked .

    no lee shep

    this scholar is whacking the BU illiterati in the BU rumshop……..not whacked at all lol

    JUST MOCKING AND HAVING FUN IN DE RUM SHOP———I BELIEVE ITS CALLED CHALLENGING

    WHY DONT YOU FOOLS WAIT TILL THE FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST DO THE AUTOPSY AND THEN YOU MIGHT LEARN WHY THE CLINICAL PATHOLOGIST STOPPED HIS EXAMINATION

    Lee Shep. CAN YOU ADD ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE BESIDES YOUR POOR ATTEMPT AT AN AD HOMINEM?

    BARE MOCKSPORT IN THE BU RUM SHOPMAN


  46. lol,,,,,but then again the Rum Shop Brigade rely on the nation news for FACTS and TRUTH,,,,GP u killing me,

  47. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ GP

    As one retired ole man to a nex fellow, watch youself hear?

    When AC start to agree wid you it mean dat you in some sorta ruption…

    “I would rather sleep in the southern corner of a little country churchyard, than in the tombs of any Capulets… (ACs)


  48. Jolly Green GIANT (PDYUR ) is that a fact,, lol…

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