West Indies Cricket Continues Downward Spiral

The following extracted from the blog  The WICB(C) Conspires Against Our International Players, Again! posted by commenter Dee Word

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Yes @David change is needed I agree. But sensible people understand that the process of change is often as important as the change itself. On the evidence of the last 10 years specifically and generally the last 20 the WI cricket fraternity of players and administrators have acted too cavalier and disrespectful towards each other and thus there is a blighted sense of achievement over any the positives gained. Their change process is certainly not a best practice model.

Let me put it another way:

Overall, there’s a positive sense of achievement re the Clive Lloyd and Sir Viv’s tenures. Of course there were issues of disquiet and upheavals re monies, contract matters, representation etc. but the players for the most part kept the issues in-house and did not embarrass themselves or the spirit of WI cricket.

We remember that time for the highs and lows on the FIELD; not in the board room. World Cup in ’75, WI bashed in ’76 (Australia), WI bashing England for a few 5-0 results, WI supremacy over all others from late 70’s for 10+ years.

Brian Lara scored over 900 runs in two innings in this 20 year span…absolute genius. But my mental picture of his team includes a bad image of disrespect to Nelson Mandela. Privileged talented young-men who did not have any life altering hardships because of the color of their skin thought it prudent to use THAT tour and the absolute euphoria surrounding SA most renowned citizen to press their base claims.

I didn’t grudge them their rights or justification for the cause: that was all good; but I dismiss their lack of self-worth and respect for the person and an occasion that was well beyond a few dirty ‘pieces of silver’.

I don’t cherish their positives.

Of course it seems practical to work diligently to put out a fire if our house is burning; you don’t fan the flames because you are pissed-off and see an opportunity to get the occupants with whom you are in dispute out the door. Let the law and course of time move you to a resolution, difficult though that may be. Cherish the house and retain it in the best condition for eventual take over.

But life’s funny and not always practical is it… because when you have the means to buy another house you are less interested in preserving the one in dispute. You spite your adversary so much that you no longer care if that house turns to ash.

A harsh analogy, you say, but is it. Somebodies for a long time seem hell-bent to diminish the lovely edifice that is WI cricket.

It’s comical that we protected and saved the house against colonial racism practices, the 2 bumper rules, reduced county contracts, distorted revenue sharing terms in the days when our teams generated top dollar etc.

And now joke of all jokes we are burning down the house ourselves.

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  • @Dee Word

    There is merit in you post and for those who have to retreat to the fable, The Phoenix Bird, there is hope still.

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  • India, Australia and England now control the ICC, so the WICB is at their mercy when punishment is proposed.
    The reports indicated the players were not aware of the contents of the MOU before traveling to India, but I don’t know if requesting the WICB to disengage WIPA was practical in industrial relations protocol.

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  • @Bajan in NY

    The majority of the international players indicated a lack of confidence in WIPA communicated via Captain Dwayne Bravo. The situation gave rise to WICB intervening because the reality exist that WIPA has become irrelevant in the circumstances.

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  • @David this fiasco is absurd at every level.

    The players should have been given a contract stating how much they were going to be paid as soon as they were selected.

    Any disputes could have been resolved before the tour started.

    Now we have a problem that could ruin West Indies International cricket for the next few years.

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  • @Hants
    It is also unclear to me how the WI team could have started a tour without signing contracts based on the new WICB/WIPA MOU, or have access to the digital or printed version of the MOU that was signed. It should have been apparent before one ball was bowled on the tour that there were going to be concerns about the pay structure.

    That this is a serious embarrassment for the image and professionalism of West Indies Cricket at player and administration level is an understatement.

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  • @Hants you are absolutely right…absurd in every way.

    I anticipate that the players surely knew what their contracts terms were before they left. But also they knew that a new one was being negotiated or was being confirmed. In short things were going to change.

    Ideally of course you want such business done before players are on the field but realistically you fully expect professional sports-persons to get the job done first and not break contractual obligations in this way.

    We have endured in US NBA strikes re payment and rules: season start late and everyone pissed-off. Ok so let’s throw out a scenario: can you for example imagine that Lebron and Kobe etc. are on a US team playing a tournament in Europe. They are in dispute with the head of their players association (let’s call him Mr. Billy Lion) about how he negotiated terms of their labor contract. They say he gave away the ‘farm’.

    They exchange correspondence and Mr. Lion points out that the terms of the contract were properly discussed and reviewed at a previous meeting and all seem acceptable and that he sent out copies of the draft MOU to key members without any major dissent. So he moved forward to complete the process.

    Lebron disputes that and demands that Mr. Lion tender his resignation and says that he has the confidence and support of several players. Mr. Lion says that he will only be moved by proper due process and is certainly wiling to carefully address all concerns.

    Lebron tell the NBA commissioner that he must intervene and only talk to him as the players have lost trust in Mr. Lion and his team. Commissioner says: no sir, we only will talk to the official and legal representative of the players. So Lebron say, ok then we ‘dun wid that’ and the boys pack and head home.

    COULD NEVER HAPPEN. The players would be sued and vilified.

    Yet that is exactly what Mr. Bravo did and we are applauding him. Nonsense.

    Now, I know the corporate set-up of the NBA and WIBC are different and so too the revenue streams but the FUNDAMENTAL rules of representation, law and negotiations are the same. Mr. Brave is surely a decent and intelligent young-man but I cannot understand why he did not listen to the FICA reps who would surely have cautioned him against this ‘illegal’ action. I can’t imagine that chief of selectors Clive Lloyd or Sir Richie approved this behavior.

    You may get a legal right validated when you start off with an illegal act yourself…but I think the fancy term for that is a pyrrhic victory.

    And @ Bajan in NY….I hear you sir but you are missing a key point: by the rules of his own association Mr. Bravo could only legally move against Mr. Hinds if those players had given him a mandate at a duly constituted meeting.

    Life is not a free for all of who shouts loudest or plays best. I have no brief for either Bravo or Hinds. But Mr. Bravo is completely ‘out of order’ .

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  • The irony.

    The embarrassment

    Deju vu!

    His Holiness the Dalai Lama wearing a West Indies cricket jersey signed by the members of the West Indies team and a cap from the India cricket team during his visit to the HPCA Stadium in Dharamsala, India to greet the team members before the one-day international match between India and West Indies on October 17, 2014. (Photo by Tenzin Choejor/OHHDL)

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    His Holiness the Dalai Lama wearing a West Indies cricket jersey signed by the members of the West Indies team and a cap from the India cricket team during his visit to the HPCA Stadium in Dharamsala, India to greet the team members before the one-day international match between India and West Indies on October 17, 2014. (Photo by Tenzin Choejor/OHHDL)

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  • What’s the Barbados government got to do with the West Indies cricket folly as BU David is hinting? You blaming the government for the anal decisions of Bravo, Cameron, Ramnarine and Hinds. Try to be balanced the actors in this tragic play are not even Barbadian. They are out of the jurisdiction of the Barbados government. How blindly biased can one be.

    The players are mostly wrong in this mess. The WIPA and WICB share blame but the players really should know better. You cant halt a massive international cricket series after all that planning, resources and money has gone into it, its just not on. The players should have registered their protest at the 75% cut in salary and we all agree that is huge salary cut. They should have finished the tour then battle it out with the incompetent free loaders who comprise the WICB when they returned home. If what the players claim is true about the 75% cut public opinion alone would have overwhelmed the WIBC and WIPA and that contract would be changed in a jiffy. We have not even mentioned the political factor because every politician worth his salty lies would jump on the players bandwagon and the WIBC/WIPA would be forced to back off and come with more reasonable terms.

    The bottom line is the tour and West Indies cricket would have been saved to fight another day. Now its up in the air, its chaos, The Indians correctly want compensation for the wastage of billions of rupees. The ICC correctly could look at banning the players and WICB. The WICB could look at banning their employees, the players. Youngsters like Jason Holder could see his career cut short because of this shortsighted greed and stupid decision making. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Even Zimbabwe with the demonized Mugabe calling the shots have never acted this irresponsibly.

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  • As reported at cricinfo: ” It is understood the players checked with BCCI about a rumour that action would be taken against West Indies players in the current team who played the IPL; the players were reportedly assured that this was not true. ”

    To me this is very damning, if true.

    I was of the view that the players’ motivations were badly misdirected which led me to state previously that when you have the resources to buy a new house you really don’t care too much if the old house burns down.

    But this still leaves me further incensed.

    For all intents and purposes I hope that wise, diplomatic and far-sighted judgement is used going forward by WICB in particular.

    @Waiting: No vendettas, threats to end careers or other draconian steps, yet.

    If this was a back-yard dust-up I would be less magnanimous (I would ban/censure Mr. Bravo et al through every legal method available) but this is definitely about the longevity of WI cricket and the down-stream livelihood of many youngsters and businesses region-wide.

    The WIBC needs to seek a resolution first and foremost; face their legal and other obligations from the BCCI and ICC and consider punishments way down the road after.

    And although I know that they have done this before WIPA or someone really needs to get the players educated on proper and productive industrial relation practices.

    Either way for me it’s time to move on from this era of players.

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  • Interesting last comment. MS Dhoni is the captain of Bravo at Chennai and it begs to wonder what behind the scenes machinations have led to the decision. Will we see a mass signing of WI players next IPL?

    Clive Llyod apologises for Windies team calling off tour

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    New Delhi: Former captain and West Indies Cricket Board selection committee chairman Clive Lloyd on Saturday apologised for the Caribbean team’s unprecedented move to pull out of remainder of India tour in the wake of an acrimonious pay dispute with WICB, saying that it was a mistake on the part of the players to have done so.

    “I would like to apologise for West Indies team aborting the India tour. It is a mistake on the part of players to have the left the tour in between,” Llyod, captain of West Indies’ 1975 and 1979 World Cup-winning teams, said at a conclave organised by a leading media group at a city hotel.

    “We have great affection and love for Indian people and I hope that this will not affect our future relations. I hope the damage is not irreparable,” said Llyod, who was with the West Indies team in India for the tour.

    In an extraordinary step, the West Indies cricket team yesterday pulled out of the remaining part of its India tour in the wake of an acrimonious ongoing pay dispute with their Board after playing the fourth and final ODI in Dharamsala, prompting a livid BCCI to contemplate legal action against the visitors.

    The aggrieved Caribbean players were persuaded to take the field for the fourth ODI but have conveyed their decision to call off the remaining part of tour to the BCCI.

    -kashmirreader.co

    – See more at: http://wicricnews.com/blog/clive-llyod-apologises-for-windies-team-calling-off-tour#sthash.ufv22dMr.dpuf

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  • I sincerely hope that the BCCI sues the WICB and puts it out of its misery.

    If I had a busyness and had made serious contracts, I would do all that is necessary to fulfill the same. I could later easily fire my employes by not renewing their contracts.

    I would not , however, play “powful foolish” and refuse to listen to my employees and let them embarrass me, as the players embarrassed the WICB on Friday.

    The WICB has been doing nonsense for years
    in the early 80’s we lost of about 17 of our best cricketers, who the WICB banned for life. All other cricket boards banned their players for 3 years.

    The treatment of Richards Greenidge and Dujon in 91, and that of Haynes in 95 was similarly reprehensible
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    It is time for the strong armed tactics against the players comes to an end.

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  • To repeat BU’s position, the WICB had to intervene when the nucleus of players expressed no confidence in WIPA in the Bravo letter. The off-handed response by Cameron reflected what we all know, the Board is out of touch with the players. It is why the Board has representatives to accompany the team. to  provide the opportunity to get a pulse to what is happening. Surely Lloyd, Richardson, Spooner et al would have been communicating the gravamen of the situation? Joel Garner’s comments on the weekend supports the view that is against them ethos that pervades WI cricket is alive and well.

    1. ‘Can’t see West Indies at World Cup if standoff remains’ – Cozier

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  • Some of us are waiting on an explanation why the BCCI issues a statement the West Indies team would be leaving last Friday after the 1-day game but the WICB issues a statement denying. Some of us are waiting for an explanation that team manager Sir Richie issued an email to the BCCI confirming the team’s decision to end the tour. Why would someone the stature of Lloyd travelling with the team not be able to avert this fiasco until after the tour?

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  • Final early morning comment, part of the problem with West Indies cricket are a few high status journalist whose job it is to disseminate Board propaganda or push the narrow interest of a few individuals. The insularity must stop.

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  • SUN, OCTOBER 19, 2014 – 12:08 AM

    West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) president, Dave Cameron, reacted angrily yesterday to a decision by regional players to withdraw their services in the middle of a tour to India.

    Using the Facebook social media platform, Cameron did not mince his words in condemning the actions of the players who had been embroiled in a dispute with the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) over the signing of a new Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) and Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA).

    “This feels like an act of terrorism. You destroy a region’s heritage over an internal dispute. You don’t threaten the offender as yet. Unbelievable,” Cameron said.

    With the players choosing to make themselves unavailable, the WICB said it was left with no option but to discontinue the tour of India with three Tests, one One-Day International and one Twenty20 International still to be played.

    It was the first time that any West Indies team aborted a series in the middle of a tour and the WICB will hold an emergency board meeting here on Tuesday to conduct a thorough assessment of all the ramifications and any action which may be necessary. (HG)

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  • @ David
    The very notion of “WEST INDIES” cricket is a misnomer since no such entity as “the West Indies” actually exists.
    ….besides, can you name ANY regional institution that has been anything but an agency for insularity?
    ….and what is the chance that such a complex concoction will ever succeed when it has always been led by a collection of retards whose claims to fame are mostly aligned with trying to make a name for themselves after personal lives of failure and misery?
    A house built upon sand eventually will collapse.

    BUSHIE dun with that whole shiite ever since their treatment of Dessie Haynes.

    May they rest in peace…..

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  • It is amazing the President of the WIBC sees utility in playing out this matter in the social media. Why not meet with his Board, arrive at a negotiating position before meeting with WIPA and Bravo?

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  • SUN, OCTOBER 19, 2014 – 12:05 AM

    MUMBAI – The West Indies Cricket Board’s (WICB) finances could take another huge hit with the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) saying yesterday it was now reviewing its 2016 tour of the Caribbean.

    Indian officials are fuming after West Indies players abandoned the One-Day tour of India on Friday, following the fourth One-Day International in Dharamsala, over a pay dispute with their union, the West Indies Players’ Association.

    The players’ move scuppered tomorrow’s final ODI carded for Kolkata, the lone Twenty20 International in Cuttack on Wednesday, and the three-Test series that was expected to bowl off October 30.

    “It will be very difficult to play West Indies in bilateral series in future. They have to demonstrate the willingness that such situations never happen again,” international media quoted BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel as saying.

    “I would say that India’s next tour of West Indies is highly unlikely to go ahead in the current situation.”

    In addition, the BCCI is likely to claim damages of at least US$65 million from the WICB for West Indies having pulled out of the tour to India.

    The BCCI’s working committee will decide whether to go ahead with the claim at a meeting on Tuesday in Hyderabad.

    Though Sri Lanka agreed to fill in for West Indies and play five ODIs in India in November, the BCCI will still lose income for 12 match days for the 2014-2015 season. The BCCI is likely to claim those damages from the WICB.

    “We have referred the matter to our legal cell and asked them to let us know by the 21st about how we can pursue the issue legally,” Patel said yesterday, though declining to elaborate on the numbers since he said they were still being computed.

    “They [WICB] entered into a bilateral agreement with us, and they abandoned the tour due to their internal issues so we will have to seek compensation. But, depending on the legal advice, the working committee will decide the future course of action.”

    The series started under a cloud of uncertainty with West Indies players threatening to withdraw their services ahead of the first ODI in Kochi, over their contractual grouse with WIPA.

    They argued the new terms of the collective bargaining agreement, which WIPA signed recently with the West Indies Cricket Board, would result in a drastic reduction in their earnings.

    A flurry of ill-tempered emails between the players and WIPA led to an escalation of tensions and when a last-ditch appeal to the WICB by the players failed, the squad informed team management they would no longer continue the tour.

    Patel said regardless of the off-field issues, West Indies had an obligation to complete the tour.

    “Whatever the dispute, they should have honoured the bilateral agreement,” Patel said.

    “We thank our friends Sri Lanka, who agreed to the tour on a short notice but, unfortunately, we couldn’t fit in the Tests as there was not enough time.”

    West Indies are expected to host India in three Tests, five ODIs and a T20 early in 2016, a tour that was expected to be a financial windfall for the WICB.

    The BCCI is the world’s richest cricket board, with series involving India often attracting high global viewership.

    Millionaire businessman N. Srinivasan, a former BCCI president, is now chairman of the International Cricket Council.

    Patel said the BCCI intended to take steps to ensure it did not find itself in a similar situation again, with a team walking out on a bilateral series.

    “We have suffered huge losses and the ICC is our parent body and we are going to ask them to ensure that this never happens in the future,” Patel said.

    The WICB are also expected to face legal action from the BCCI as fallout for the One-Day squad failing to complete the series. (CMC)

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  • John Hanson 1781-1782

    We need a CARIBBEAN TEAM NOT WEST INDIES , WHO ARE THEY ?AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH US, I ONLY SUPPORT CARIBBEAN NAMED TEAM , LETS GET ONE,

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  • @David

    I accept your comment that ” the WICB had to intervene when the nucleus of players expressed no confidence in WIPA in the Bravo letter.”

    But to be clear, the subsequent remarks by both Cameron and Bravo reflected that both were out of touch with reality.

    Because Bravo had a letter claiming the confidence of the players did not validate that he had any solid ground to demand : “We wish to formerly advise you that WIPA has no authority to speak on our behalf… We will advise you of the person or persons entrusted with the responsibility to act on our behalf shortly.”

    It was impossible to expect the WICB to dismiss their current negotiations with the legally constituted WIPA team and initiate action with him. He KNEW that would not happen.

    Similarly, Mr. Cameron’s remarks that he WOULD not engage with Bravo was the proverbial red flag in a bull ring. And in this ring there is a whole lot of testosterone; these bulls play with big, hard red balls often and it’s clear that to a man there is an absolute certainty that their personal attributes are as impressive.

    You may recall that Mr. Bravo also said : “We are hopeful that, with your intervention, the matter can be resolved without public or other recourse. In the meantime we will continue to seek advice.”

    This was for public consumption and was absolutely DISINGENUOUS.

    Why were his emails and correspondence in the public domain if there was a real intent in his words to “[resolve] without public or other recourse”.

    If the statement resonated actual intent then your other question would have been answered because Mr.Bravo and his team would have contacted FICA (advice and guidance) gone to the hotel room of Clive Lloyd and/or Sir Richie and said: gentlemen we respect you and your position in WI cricket but we have a major problem here. This is it….we need you urgently to set-up a video conference meeting with Mr. Cameron.

    They would have got Mr. Hinds on that conference call also.

    David the bottom line is this: If either party had a sense of reason and focus on the REAL issue of WI cricket they would be an intent to resolve the basic concerns with effective, respectful and PRIVATE communications. I have no idea who started the leaks but as soon as I saw the first reports re the emails etc. it was clear to me that we were in trouble of just this result.

    In my view, Bravo et al absolutely respect the former players re stats and their proven on-field prowess but there is absolutely zero respect in the matter of negotiations and interface with WICB. That has been clear for many years now.

    They say all the nice things for public consumption but privately I suspect it’s more like:
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    This is all about cricket-size ball egos and money for personal gain.

    As players , if you are really interested in the good of WI cricket you DO NOT abandon a tour of the most powerful cricket nation and open yourself to major law-suits (money out) because you are upset with your leaders about contracts (money in). The money out was surely going to dwarf the money in.

    As administrators, if you are really interested in the good of WI cricket you do EVERYTHING practical as soon as possible to calm the emotions of the standard bearers of your region. You could simply say ok, let’s leave the old contract in place until after the World-Cup and then we will sit down and get this cleared up once and for all. How radical! A lot cheaper that the ridiculous sums being spoken re legal damages.

    BUT, as players and administrators if you are all about cricket-size ball egos, ‘I am smarter than you’, calling names in public, attacking each others’ integrity and basically losing sight of why you are there then we have this situation.

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  • @Dee Word

    Let us accept for debate sake that both parties have approached this matter like a bull cow in a China shop.The WICB is responsible for managing cricket period.

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  • David wrote “The WICB is responsible for managing cricket period.”

    That is correct. The leadership of the WICB should have called an emergency meeting with all concerned and negotiated a solution to save the tour.

    From the time Dwayne Bravo said WIPA no longer represents the players the WICB should have recognized the gravity of the situation and dealt with it.

    Bravo and the players can be faulted for not putting “country first” and they will all suffer for it. They should have thought of the contracts and opportunities they have destroyed.

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  • The statement by Cameron when asked to comment earlier in the week that the impasse is between WIPA and the players is the height of ignorance and exposed his lack of discernment.

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  • Why oh why…

    Why is it that the WI cricket is the only one of the long-standing organizations that has been plagued with this public animus between players and administrators?

    What psychological issues have caused this absolute breakdown in relationships between players and administrators?

    Why can’t we get past the egos?

    Why is there an underlying tone of insularity or is that completely irrelevant?

    Why are smart people who harnessed awesome natural talent with keen mental focus to outsmart and out-perform all rivals for so long now unable to infuse positive knowledge to these current players?

    Is this due to the ‘self absorbed’ nature of the millennials under their charge?

    Will statements from BCCI officials that affirm it would be “very difficult to play West Indies in bilateral series in future…They have to demonstrate the willingness that such situations never happen again” make it impossible or WI cricket to ever fully recover from this latest debacle.

    Will other countries demand there now be insurance risk coverage against a WI tour strike by players.?

    How can an ineffectual WICB guarantee that they are in control of their players?

    Should a respected independent ‘administrator’ be put in place to shepherd the WICB and WIPA through negotiations for the next 10 years?

    Should West Indians be ashamed for the players that they were scolded by the BCCI to wit: “the withdrawal gives little thought to the game, the players and the long standing relations between the BCCI and the WICB.”?

    How can West Indians effectively ‘spank’ these wayward players and administrators to let them know we want positive, effective action?

    How many more times do the top players, who are all now millionaires, need to show us that they really do not care about the man in the street or the spirit of WI cricket?

    How can the regional national sport which has elevated several boys from humble, regular backgrounds to adult lives of honour and dignity as national heroes, a peerage and several Knighthoods be so absolutely broken?

    Oh dear father, HOW?

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  • A rock, a hard place and the WICB by Tony Cozier

    Through the clouds of confusion that enveloped the West Indies players’ final decision to abandon their tour of India after the fourth ODI on Friday, a few relevant points are apparent.

    First and foremost, as the WICB, the leadership of the WIPA and Dwayne Bravo and his aggrieved team in India carried on their angry, long-range war in cyberspace over the signing of a new Memorandum of Understanding/Collective Bargaining Agreement (MoU/CBA), all three clearly failed to appreciate the damaging consequences such a drastic decision was bound to have on them all.

    Perhaps they believed that, as in previous similar cases, such as the withdrawal of Packer players from the team in 1978, the standoff at Heathrow airport prior to the initial 1998-99 tour of South Africa, and the strikes before the Sri Lanka and Bangladesh series of 2005 and 2009, that political leaders, or some other third parties, would materialise to soon sort out the issue, with all forgiven and normal service resumed.

    This was different. This was the abandonment of a significant tour to the game’s present financial powerhouse; it was part of the ICC’s Future Tours Programme.

    “Shocked and extremely disappointed,” the BCCI set out the effects in unambiguous language. “The WICB’s inability to resolve internal issues with its players and allowing the same to affect an ongoing bilateral series does not reflect well on any of those involved,” it said. “The withdrawal gives little thought to the game, the players and the long-standing relations between the BCCI and the WICB.”

    A stern headmaster could not have admonished a wayward student more vehemently.

    It would “pursue all options available to protect its rights whilst seeking appropriate action from the ICC to sure that its interests and those of the game at large will not suffer any damage due to such acts of indiscretion”.

    Predictably, legal action against the WICB is likely, seeking compensation for losses, mainly of television rights and ticket sales. The reported figure is at least US$65 million. Whether to go ahead with the claim would be made by its working committee at a meeting on Tuesday in Hyderabad. Such a sum would financially cripple the WICB.

    There are also suggestions that West Indian players in the IPL could be banned for participation for at least a year; given their popularity in India and their value to their franchises, this is less likely.

    More ominous is the assertion by BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel that it would be “very difficult to play West Indies in bilateral series in future”. “They have to demonstrate the willingness that such situations never happen again,” he said. “I would say that India’s next tour of West Indies is highly unlikely to go ahead in the current situation.”

    It took the BCCI secretary to fly to Kochi to influence the players into not pulling out of the tour even before the first match. It was an embarrassing intervention by an Indian official into what was an internal West Indies matter

    With its purchase of broadcast rights, ground perimeter advertising and sponsorship by its big corporations, India in the Caribbean brings more revenue to the WICB than any other tour.

    It should not have come to this.

    Typically, the WICB, the organisation with overall responsibility for the governance of the game in the region, allowed the gathering storm to develop until it was too late to change its course.

    The first involvement of all of its directors was not until after the players’ withdrawal on Friday and then through what the WICB called an “emergency meeting” by teleconference.

    This was followed by an announcement that there would be a further “emergency board meeting” on Tuesday in Barbados. It would, it stated, “conduct a thorough assessment of all the ramifications of the premature end to the tour and any action which may be necessary therefrom”.

    Already, one director, head of the Jamaican Cricket Association Bill Heaven, has reflected widespread public opinion, stating that “all interested parties and concerned parties should come together in a frank, purposeful and meaningful way and we should be able to find a middle-of-the-road position”.

    That coming together should have been instigated by the WICB as soon as Dwayne Bravo and his players made known their strong opposition to the new MoU/CBA, signed by WICB president Dave Cameron and the head of the WIPA, Wavell Hinds, on September 18.

    Even as Cameron informed the players that the WICB recognised only the WIPA as the players’ bargaining agent, as it always did, he and Hinds should have immediately boarded a plane to India to meet Bravo and his men face to face and talk, in Heaven’s words, “in a frank, purposeful and meaningful way” in an effort to find “a middle-of-the-road position”.

    As it was, it took Patel, the BCCI secretary, to fly to Kochi to influence the players into not pulling out of the tour even before the first match. As well meant as it was, it was an embarrassing intervention by an Indian official into what was an internal West Indies matter.

    In the meantime, the emails between Bravo and Hinds, and, subsequently, Bravo and Cameron, became increasingly scathing; egos being what they are, the effect was to push the factions so far apart it became impossible to find “a middle-of-the-road position”.

    The WICB revealed on Friday that a “delegation” of its chief executive officer, Michael Muirhead, head of its cricket committee, Julian Charles, and Hinds had been scheduled to arrive in Delhi on Monday to meet with the players “on a number of issues”, among them discussing their concerns over the new MoU/CBA.

    That won’t be necessary now. Those West Indians travelling out of India will be heading in the opposite direction. Tuesday’s WICB directors meeting in Barbados is critical.

    As much as they are furious over the latest strike action by the players, they need to be guided by practicality rather than emotion.

    The fact that the A team is continuing with its tour of Sri Lanka is an indication that not every West Indies player is dissatisfied with Hinds’ leadership of the WIPA.

    Against both Sri Lanka in 2005 and Bangladesh in 2009, the WICB assembled replacements for those on strike. When it attempted to so the same this time, the BCCI dismissed such an arrangement as unacceptable.

    South Africa is next on the West Indies ICC Future Tours list for three Tests, five ODIs and two T20s from December 10 to January 28. The World Cup in Australia and New Zealand immediately follows.

    Cricket South Africa would no doubt find a weakened team as unacceptable as the BCCI. The ICC is likely to have the same opinion on the World Cup.

    The WICB has placed itself between a rock and a hard place. The question now is how can it wriggle free.

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  • PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad (CMC):

    Former West Indies Test batsman Bryan Davis has condemned the move by West Indies players to abort the tour of India as “selfish and inconsiderate”.

    In an impassioned response to the development, the 74-year-old said the players’ actions were unacceptable and could not be justified, especially in the middle of an international series.

    He said all contract issues should have been dealt with prior to the tour and singled out the West Indies Cricket Board for some blame.

    “While on tour, I am saying they cannot leave that tour because of some argument with their own representative body (WIPA),” Davis told the Trinidad Express newspaper.

    “The BCCI (Indian Cricket Board) does not have anything to do with your domestic problems, neither does the fans in India. That is totally unfair to them.”

    He continued: “You did not deal with your problems before you went on the tour so then deal with it after when you go back home. You certainly cannot abandon the tour in the middle because of your internal dispute.

    LACK INTEGRITY

    “That is selfish, inconsiderate. It lacks integrity. I am sad and disappointed about the turn it took. It was a total shortage of courtesy. There are no redeeming factors.

    “To me the players should not have left without signing a contract. The WICB should have ensured the players were in agreement with everything outlined so they are also at fault.”

    The impasse arose after players said they could not accept the terms of the newly signed Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), contending it resulted in a drastic reduction in their earnings.

    They subsequently asked for a return to the old CBA, while a new agreement could be hammered out. This suggestion was rejected by both WIPA and the WICB.

    With no solution in sight, the players informed team management last Friday they would be quitting the tour, with matches still remaining.

    “There is no reason to abort a series except for War or acts of God and things like that. I don’t believe that there were any proper explanations for abandoning the tour, certainly not for an argument with your own players’ association,” said Davis, a right-hander who played four Tests in 1965 against Australia.

    “Those are things you should deal with before you go on tour. Before you go on tour you sign a contract. You can’t wait until you go on tour to sign a contract and then disagree with the contract.”

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  • A deadly merry go round by Tony Becca,

    West Indies cricket is at the edge of the cliff once again, and this time, it seems, a little push, a puff of wind, can send it tumbling to disaster, that is if it has not already self-destructed.

    Last Friday morning, during play in the fourth ODI came the disturbing and shocking news that the West Indies had called off the tour and would be returning home after the match.

    In many ways, that was not surprising, and it was not surprising based on events of the past 16 years.

    In 1998, the West Indies players went to South Africa, then flew to London where Brian Lara and board president, Pat Rousseau, held emergency talks to save the tour.

    That was over money, and since then, the players and the board have locked horns over money on many occasions with a number of West Indies teams selected without the best players.

    Once again, the impasse is over money. It is between the players and West Indies Players’ Association (WIPA), it involves the players’ disappointment with the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) for its protection of WIPA. It includes transparency and conflict of interest, and in this day of modern-day business techniques, of pen and paper, to show who is not telling the truth.

    Did the players stupidly or not, agree to the cut in salary as Wavell Hinds claimed they did, or is Dwayne Bravo correct in saying that the players knew nothing of it?

    Something is wrong. The two sides cannot be right.

    The question is: which one is right and which one is wrong?

    No one likes to lose money, and the West Indies players are no different. No one, it seems, however, can tell the present West Indies players, with the exception of Shivnarine Chanderpaul and Chris Gayle, that despite a few promising performances, they cannot carry water for many of their predecessors, including those of the 1950s and those of the 1960s and the 1980s which rose to the top of the tree.

    This West Indies team, if seeing is believing, and if the board is telling the truth, or has hinted at the truth, is living beyond its means.

    Not told about pay packet

    The players claim that while they agreed in principle to a cut in pay they were not told about the pay packet, that they stand to lose up to 75 per cent of their Test/ODI/T20 fees, 100 per cent loss of their image rights, and almost 100 per cent of the ICC fees, and if that is true, which is difficult to believe, that would stupidity on behalf on of WIPA, who signed the agreement on the players’ behalf.

    The players have lost some money, and it seems, or so WIPA says, the players agreed to that. On the other hand, according to WIPA’s president and CEO, Wavell Hinds, that was made up for elsewhere.

    The whole thing seems messy. It is difficult, for example, to see how the players could settle for the losses to which Bravo has referred, and it is equally difficult to see how anybody, much more the president and CEO of WIPA, could agree to that.

    Regardless of who is telling the truth, the fight, however, should have been between the players and the players’ association. It should not be between the players and the WICB.

    The players’ grouse with Hinds includes a conflict of interest, citing his position as chairman of the Jamaica selection committee, a board member of the Jamaica Cricket Association (JCA), and his dual role as president and CEO of the players association.

    There is no doubt about this. Being a member of the Jamaica board and a selector and being the head of WIPA must be a conflict of interest. There can be no doubt about it.

    OPPOSITE SIDES

    WICB and WIPA are on opposite sides of the bargaining table. The JCA is a part of the WICB, and, therefore, if Hinds is a part of the JCA, then he is a part of the WICB.

    What will he do when the WICB and WIPA have a conflict, and as a Jamaica selector, as the chief selector, what will he do if WIPA has to deal with problems surrounding a Jamaica player?

    The story has come to bump, and regardless of what Hinds believes, regardless of what the president of the board says about the good relationship between the board and WIPA and the historic milestone, regardless of what the people think about WIPA and the board before the threat of strike action, and before Dwayne Bravo’s letter to Hinds, it now must be one or the other for Hinds, if he is allowed to choose.

    The disagreement over money has reared its ugly head once again, and this time, even if it is triggered by selfishness on the part of senior players. It could be caused by many things.

    It could be the senior players’ ability to earn much more than the West Indies can pay them, it could be their way of showing their independence, and it could also be their way of showing that they do not care about the new way forward in West Indies cricket, including the franchise system and where the money is coming from to run it.

    It could also have been tricky foot movement by the board.

    One thing I know, Wavell Hinds was a good batsman. He is a good and well-intentioned man, and, up to now, he is good for West Indies cricket.

    One man, however, cannot, or should not, wear two or three hats.

    And there are a few more things to ponder. Could it not have been settled before going to India? Did the players try to use the tour as a bargaining tool as the players of 1998 obviously did, and apart from the BCCI taking the WICB to court to recover losses, what, if any, will the future of West Indies players in the IPL be like?

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  • Cricket Australia chairman Wally Edwards has described as “deeply concerning” the crisis that led to the West Indies quitting their tour of India over a pay row with their board, resulting in fears about their participation in this summer’s World Cup and their future as a Test-playing nation.

    With the Board of Control for Cricket in India reportedly preparing to claim damages of at least $US65 million ($74 million) over lost earnings from the abandoned tour – and forecasting the cancellation of India’s series in the Caribbean in 2016 – the former powerhouse of world cricket could be dealt a fatal financial blow. And while the sad decline of the West Indies has reached a new low, there are implications for Australia, who are due to tour there next autumn before an Ashes series in England. Australia are then scheduled to host the eighth-ranked Test nation for a Test and limited-overs series in the summer of 2015-16.

    Before that there is also the issue of the World Cup, being staged in Australia and New Zealand in February and March.

    Glory days: West Indies captain Clive Lloyd dives for a catch in 1979.
    Glory days: West Indies captain Clive Lloyd dives for a catch in 1979. Photo: Michael Rayner
    Edwards, who chairs the International Cricket Council’s influential executive committee, of which Australia, India and England are permanent members, said on Sunday CA had sought more information on the West Indies’ predicament but indicated alarm at the developments on the subcontinent.

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    “The situation that has just unfolded, with the West Indian players abandoning the remainder of the Indian tour, is deeply concerning for a game that needs strong co-operation for its survival,” Edwards said. “We are a long way from what has taken place in India and have sought further details so we can understand more as a priority.”

    West Indies were to play five one-day internationals, a Twenty20 international and three Tests against India but withdrew after the fourth ODI in Dharmasala.

    Sri Lanka have agreed to step in and play five ODIs in India next month but the BCCI is, according to a report by ESPNCricinfo, considering legal avenues to recoup lost broadcast rights and sponsorship revenue of tens of millions of dollars.

    While that could bring them to their knees, the West Indies Cricket Board bizarrely used Twitter on Sunday to re-advertise its vacant head coaching position.

    Former Australia coach Mickey Arthur was until recently linked to the post but a fortnight after the West Indies announced a “global search” for a new mentor, it is shaping as one of the least desirable jobs in world cricket.

    The West Indies, like other Test nations, rely heavily on Indian television money, so on top of any legal action will be hit hard if India go ahead with an intention to snub their next scheduled tour of the West Indies in 2016.

    “It will be very difficult to play West Indies in bilateral series in future,” BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel told Reuters. “They have to demonstrate the willingness that such situations never happen again. I would say that India’s next tour of West Indies is highly unlikely to go ahead in the current situation.

    “Whatever the dispute, they should have honoured the bilateral agreement. We have suffered huge losses and the ICC is our parent body and we are going to ask them to ensure that this never happens in the future.”

    As the ICC scrambles for a solution and the WICB ready for an emergency board meeting on Tuesday, Edwards said the dispute needed to be sorted out urgently. “Put simply, players and boards must fulfil their commitments to the Future Tours Programme,” Edwards said.”Situations such as these have to be avoided at all costs because ultimately those that are affected most are the people that the game depends on so heavily – cricket lovers, key broadcasters and commercial partners. For the game’s sake, this needs to be resolved as soon as possible.”

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  • Certainly it is long past time for a total clensing of the regional Boards. We need a fundamental reorganization of west indies cricket along the lines of the Green Bay Packers. Where every Caribbean household own 100% of all the unsaleable shares in our cricketing bodies. But more importantly a fundamental management culture change.

    We are left in wonderment as the BCCI can wheel such power. A power we never enjoyed when we were at top and beating all comers. The Indians are teaching us how to translate cricket into soft power, money power. While like children the WICB allows them to lecture us how west indies cricket is to be managed.

    This is the level of shame this feckless Board has brought to our since of nationhood, regional unity.

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  • Lebron and KIrby , these guys worked their tails of ,and are well deserving,,, but what we have here are board members and cricketers all cut from the same cloth crying foul,,, not having it couldn;t care less , lazy bunch the whole group, let the house burn to ground,, out of the ashes maybe Pride and the need to accomplish might arise,

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  • @David, check sports corner. Bajan connections did well in the Million dollar race at woodbine.

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  • Holding Forth
    WICB have hung the players out to dry
    Michael Holding | 19 October 2014

    The players arrived in India without contracts, and did not have a clue as to what they were getting paid. It is a regular feature of West Indies cricket. © BCCI
    The players arrived in India without contracts, and did not have a clue as to what they were getting paid. It is a regular feature of West Indies cricket. © BCCI
    Here we go, the money grabbers are at it again! I can hear the chant going up around the Caribbean as yet another confrontation takes place between the players and the West Indies Cricket Board over money. I can tell you folks that there have been occasions in the past where I have joined that chorus myself. But not this time.

    The current crisis in West Indies cricket is a lot different from what happened on so many occasions during the last decade. To understand the issue here, we need to look at what caused this impasse. Money is involved, yes, but there is also a principle being abused. What caused it was the West Indies Players’ Association (WIPA) signing a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) that the players knew nothing about and are not happy with. Again, I can hear people saying: ‘That’s a fight between the players and their union, not the WICB’, and I agree, but let’s examine the issue in its totality.

    WIPA had a meeting with the players way back in February and told them that they had to give up some of the money that they were getting from international cricket so that the players at domestic levels could benefit a bit more. The players were happy with that and agreed to it. They were willing to give up $US 35,000 per match-day that they were getting on tours, their allocation from sponsorship funds, but they needed some of that to be made up back into their salaries in some other format. They were not willing to give up the entire allocation. WIPA was left to work out a deal with the WICB and get back to the players who were going to be affected the most. They were to get consensus on the same before any agreement was reached and signed. I repeat, they all agreed to a reduction, but a fair one. No correspondence passed between WIPA and the said players between that meeting in February and the MoU being signed in September. They did not know what was being signed.

    The players arrived in India without contracts, and did not have a clue as to what they were getting. People could say it is their fault, because you should not be going to a job without knowing what you would be paid. But it is a regular feature of West Indies cricket. When I was playing, and perhaps even before my playing days, people went on tours not knowing what their salaries were. You had a fair idea based on what you got the last time, and possibly there would be a small increase, but you wouldn’t expect it to go down.

    When the players arrived in India and saw the contract, they called Wavell Hinds, the WIPA representative who signed the MoU, and told him that they weren’t happy with the terms. The reduction was just too much, bordering on a loss of between 60 and 70%, depending on who you were. Hinds told them not to sign the contracts and that he would renegotiate a few things the players weren’t happy with. The WIPA representative communicated the players’ unhappiness to the West Indies Cricket Board/Dave Cameron, the WICB President, but Cameron/WICB refused to budge, saying that the contract was already signed and there would be nothing further to discuss.

    In the years gone by, that $US 35,000 per match-day came about because a former representative of WIPA conned a former Chief Executive Officer of the WICB and got an e-mail confirming that the players were getting that payment, which obviously the WICB didn’t want. Somehow, the CEO misunderstood what was being asked for and agreed to it. When the final negotiations took place, the former WIPA rep turned up with the e-mail from the CEO confirming the payment, and refused to budge. He demanded that the WICB honour the word of their CEO, which they naturally had to. It would seem that the tables are now being turned. The WICB are now saying, ‘Your representative signed the MoU, nothing will change’. In my opinion, that is behaving like a schoolboy. Plain tit for tat. You conned me once and played hard ball, now it’s my time.

    The WICB and Dave Cameron (centre) were playing tit for tat. They have shown their unreliability and lack of judgement, to put it mildly. © WICB
    The WICB and Dave Cameron (centre) were playing tit for tat. They have shown their unreliability and lack of judgement, to put it mildly. © WICB
    Again, folks, when this took place all those years ago, I was fuming. I couldn’t believe that the WIPA rep would have committed such an act, and called another then-WIPA ‘strongman’, took him out to dinner and expressed my disgust at the action. Of course, that didn’t change anything. But this action now by the WICB cannot be condoned because of what took place then. Two wrongs never make a right.

    Failing to even think about talking and renegotiating was childish, and that’s the main reason why we are here. The players could have easily been pacified if the WICB/Cameron told the WIPA rep: “Okay, we’ll work out a compromise to make everyone happy.” There’s no point in just one party being happy in any contractual agreement. Nothing good comes out of any such arrangement and the WICB should have known that from past history. But they refused because they were playing tit for tat. The WICB/Cameron have shown their unreliability and lack of judgement, to put it mildly.

    Since my arrival in India, two days before the first One-Day International, I had been hearing talk of this dispute and that the players would not be turning out for the first game on October 8 as they had had no resolution to their complaints. But they played the game due to intervention by an official of the Board of Control for Cricket in India. This is not under dispute as the second BCCI press release that came out on October 17 when the tour was called off testifies to this. Nothing in that press release has been challenged by the WICB.

    The WICB challenged the first press release put out by the BCCI, though. That was the press release stating that the WICB had cancelled the rest of the tour after the fourth ODI. The WICB then put out a press release stating in effect, contrary to media reports being circulated, that they had not cancelled the rest of the tour and would make a statement at the end of the fourth ODI. That probably riled the BCCI, as that directly contradicted their press release, and I suppose that’s why they released the second press release with the timeline showing exactly what had occurred between October 7 and October 17, when the tour was cancelled.

    Throughout the confrontation, the attitude was ‘Play or the tour is off, no compromise’. With that now in the public domain, the WICB/Cameron then had to backtrack and admit that they did cancel the rest of the tour. Folks, all these press releases are available on various readily accessible websites. It sounds like a fairytale but it can be verified. The WICB/Cameron went beyond unreliability this time, that was being dishonest.

    The problem with West Indies is that the WICB always pushes things to the brink and waits till the last moment. That’s why so many tours begin with players having not yet signed tour contracts. This MoU was signed in September. Why didn’t the players know exactly what was in the MoU until they got to India at the end of the month? Why weren’t all the players e-mailed the MoU? I’m sure the WIPA and the WICB have e-mails and contacts of all the players. But no. They wait until they get to India, and then try to manipulate the players. They had all the leadup time before the first ODI to try and iron something out but no, no compromise. From the very first instance the prospect of the players striking came up, on October 7 as the BCCI release says, the WICB/Cameron were willing to cancel the tour immediately. The WICB have not denied it. As a matter of fact, the WICB have not even mentioned the BCCI press release. All they’ve done is put out another press release to divert attention from the BCCI release and of course trying their very best to blame the players. Again, dishonest.

    What is so ironic is that about five or six of the current players were in the team that represented West Indies when the regulars went on strike a few years ago. They were happy to get selected for West Indies when the players went on strike last time, but now that they have seen how the WICB treats their players, they are happy to join the strike. It includes Darren Sammy, the then captain. How ironic is that? It just shows that the WICB have learnt nothing.

    Having known Wavell Hinds for so long, I am at a loss to understand how he did what he did, and I know most of the players are as well. © Getty Images
    Having known Wavell Hinds for so long, I am at a loss to understand how he did what he did, and I know most of the players are as well. © Getty Images
    What shocks me most about this particular case is the fact that Hinds signed that MoU. If Hinds was playing today, he would be the most upset man in the team. I sat down with Hinds for around three hours once during his playing days in Guyana, when they were about to strike on an England tour, to convince him not to strike. Hinds has been on that side of the fence, and it is again ironic to see him being the person involved in signing the MoU. He must also have realised that the guys wouldn’t be happy with the terms. Ok, I have heard that with Hinds taking over the reins, things are now less confrontational and I’m happy to hear that but still, the players need to know what they’re signing up for before the deal is done. Having known Wavell Hinds for so long, I am at a loss to understand how he did what he did, and I know most of the players are, as well.

    I know the above still will not appease some of us in the Caribbean as I know many are displeased with the remuneration of the players anyway. I have heard the shouts around the Caribbean claiming that the players don’t deserve the salaries they are getting because of the poor results on the field. Again, I have joined in sometimes, I am not afraid to admit that. But again, I repeat, they finally agreed there was an imbalance that needed to be addressed but the process obviously was faulty.

    A lot of West Indies’ failures in recent years is due to the administration. If you’re not happy with the people you are working for, you are not going to perform the way you possibly could. There is no way you can put out the same level of effort and commitment. Times have changed from when I played. We had no idea who our board members were and we would just concentrate on cricket, but it is now a business. You know who the board members are, what they do and the rubbish that sometimes goes on. That will infiltrate the players’ minds. People may say ‘they shouldn’t worry about that, their job is to play cricket’, but it isn’t as simple as that.

    Just one last thing. Whether you agree with anything that has been written above or not, whether you think the players or the board or WIPA are at fault, whether you believe the fight should have been between the players and their union WIPL, and not the WICB, does anyone believe that the action taken by the organisation entrusted with the safekeeping and development of West Indies cricket, WICB/Cameron, was the best option going forward for the welfare of West Indies and world cricket?

    I have no idea where this is going to leave West Indies cricket, because it all depends on the BCCI. I don’t know, and I don’t want to speculate. But if I’m a parent of a kid who wants to play cricket, I would encourage him in every way but only to play recreationally. I would tell him to not even think about playing for West Indies until the way the board administrates the game changes. If he wanted to play sport professionally, I would tell him to try another sport.

    I am sorry, I know I said previously ‘Just one last thing’, but it has just come to my attention that the WICB/Cameron have sent a document to the players trying to get them to sign saying that they were the ones who went on strike and caused the cancellation of the tour. Needless to say, no one has signed. Again, the WICB/Cameron are trying to paint the picture that the tour was cancelled because of the players’ actions. Folks, the players threatened strike action from the very first ODI and again before the third, but played all three games in ‘good faith’, hoping for a resolution. Because they again threatened strike action doesn’t mean they intended to carry it through on this occasion. The WICB cancelled the tour as the BCCI press release stated.

    *By the way, the players on tour in India had still not received a copy of the signed MoU although they had asked for one since their arrival.

    Michael Holding played 60 Tests for West Indies between 1975 and 1987, and was part of the team that won the World Cup in 1979. He was an integral part of a team that lost just one series in nearly two decades, and is now a popular TV commentator

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  • Michael Holding’s piece says it all.

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  • @ David

    We wonder how the players from his era continue to let the neophytes on the Boards get away with this madness? Why can’t we run the cricket the same way as when we were beating everybody? We had a successful model in Holding’s era, why not go back to it and stop trying to follow other people? Dictatorship worked then, it could work again!

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  • @Pacha

    The answer is simple, the politicians call the shots.

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  • Tony Cozier and Ian Bradshaw on Line and Length

    cbc.bb

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  • @Pacha & @David sorry guys but I can’t agree that there was a ‘successful model’ during the 80’s of Holding’s era. Are you forgetting how Presidents Jeff Stollmeyer, Allan Rae, Capt. Peter Short, Sir Clyde Walcott were vilified in later years for maintaining the ‘plantation’ mentality.

    Back then there was no CEO. There was a ‘secretary’ who was the administrative officer. Things were run as a little fiefdom.

    As Mikey himself states “we had no idea who our board members were and we would just concentrate on cricket”.

    The WI then despite all the team’s success was not awash in money, for example. And the management process was certainly no better (or worst) but as Holding said the guys played their cricket and did not worry about the business and politics of governance.

    There was a conciliatory atmosphere towards each other, also.

    That era player group would NEVER threaten to strike over such internal affairs.

    When those guys rebelled (read Packer switch when Australia were in WI in 1978) it was done out of the public eye for the most part but also with a bit of grace and decorum. Two words with which these present players are not overly familiar.

    So no guys, things dred now for sure but back then it wasn’t easy either.

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  • @ Dee Word
    Well, our argument is that in spite of the left behind plantation owners you have named above Clive Lloyd and Vivian Richards were able to achieve success from their positions on the field of play. Or put another way, the people you named above had nothing to do with that success. Indeed, they work hard to prevent it.

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  • @Pacha

    Lloyd and Richards did not select the teams, facilitate the honing of skills in England and elsewhere, leverage a time when the culture of the region supported cricket almost exclusively etc, you get the drift?

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  • I cannot understand why we are having this debate. West Indies cricket will find a level appropriate to her economic prowess and her organisational competence. We can still compete against the likes of Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. When they surpass us – as they surely will do; then we could participate against new entrants to the International Cricket Council such as Canada, Holland, et al.

    We have a cricket culture that will never die. It is a simple process of managing our decline within the international cricketing community. For those Caribbean youngsters who would like to develop their international experience and play meaningful cricket; I would suggest that they seriously look at switching their nationalities and make an overture to more serious cricket playing nations such as South Africa, Australia and England.

    I find it strange that a nation like Pakistan with all of her problems is still able to compete against the cricket powers of this world. This is a testament to the combativeness of their cricketers and a proud people.

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  • BY ANDI THORNHILL | THU, OCTOBER 16, 2014 – 12:00 AM

    The West Indies Players Association(WIPA) seems to be at the crossroads. Last week’s stand-off between president Wavell Hinds and senior West Indies player Dwayne Bravo raises the question of trust between Hinds and the players if we are to accept Bravo’s concerns as gospel.

    When Bravo asked him to resign, it suggests that they have no confidence in him representing the interests of the players.

    What inference can be drawn when the West Indies One-Day captain states that Hinds wears too many hats and that he’s also a member of the same club in Jamaica as the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) president Dave Cameron?

    Hinds doesn’t act on his own, he’s only part of the collective responsibility WIPA carries.

    There’s no evidence to indicate that the former West Indies batsman is a dictator or that he took a unilateral decision to negotiate and sign the recent collective bargaining agreement and Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between WIPA and the WICB without consulting his fellow board members.

    But the buck always stops at the top so this may be the reason why all the blows have been thrown in Hinds’ direction over the players’ dissatisfaction with a hefty chop in their daily sponsorsorship fee among other financial arrangements.

    In the first instance, the impression was given at the Accra Beach Hotel a few weeks ago that all stakeholders had embraced and signed off on the collective bargaining agreement and the MOU between the board and the players’ representative.

    The turn of events last week suggests otherwise. We could easily think the players were seeing the new proposals for the first time.

    We could easily believe they had no input in what the WIPA executive were to negotiate on their behalf.

    Actually, the opposite is true given the minutes of the WIPA annual general meeting held on February 1, 2014, and which I was able to obtain a copy of.

    In my humble opinion, the only logical question that can be asked is if the players agreed to and signed off on the proposal to decrease the daily sponsorship fee or if WIPA went ahead and did it with the WICB without a resolution from the players.

    At the WIPA AGM, the players were consulted about forfeiting the fee of US$35 000 to help with the professionalisation of regional cricket.

    WIPA director Michael Hall asked the players to be an agent of change by giving up the money for the benefit of first-class cricket in the West Indies.

    The players agreed it would be beneficial to all first-class players to be awarded retainer contracts.

    They felt, however,that a meeting should be held among the senior players to get their views on the subject.

    Hinds said one of his considerations was to meet with captains Bravo and Darren Sammy along with senior players Ramnaresh Sarwan, Chris Gayle and Shivnarine Chanderpaul to discuss the proposal.

    Bravo supported the proposal but said certain conditions had to be discussed.

    They included a no drop in the pay for the senior team and a salary raise to compensate for the lost of the daily sponsorship fee.

    In Bravo’s estimation, he hoped the first-class players understood what WIPA was trying to do and that the players stand as one but he also requested that WIPA speak to the WICB on the issue of relocation for the retained players as well as the pay grade structure being raised.

    Given his pointed and well written letters published last week, the impression was given that the players never gave the green light for WIPA to press ahead to negotiate any change to the structure of the daily sponsorship fee for sure.

    Can the assumption be made in these circumstances that the players may have been tardy in getting back to WIPA about their own discussions and that the parent body consequently took the decision to take the proposals to the WIBC as discussed at WIPA’s AGM this year without their consent?

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  • @Exclaimer: Wonderfully stated, excellent.

    And that logic is exactly why the debate rages throughout the region.

    My analogy is this: our people were so absolutely good that they built rockets that took us to the moon; basically competed and regularly beat the best and brightest world-wide to reach outer space.

    Can we now accept that this next generation who display comparable, innate talent can’t even comprehend the logistics and schematics of HOW TO build new rockets, far less constructing the actual craft that will see them soaring to the stars.

    As a people that hurts, because just as we felt overjoyed with pride during the days of success, we hurt deeply now that all that intelligence seems to have gone away.

    We don’t want to dumb down because we know we CAN compete with and beat the best. We need those brains to function again at a very high level.

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  • @ David
    Your analysis is light weight, at best. Ask Carlisle Best why he could not make the team regarless of the number of times Logie failed. Ask the people who staged the coup in 1991 where power really was before those events. Why do you think they are holding on for dear life? Why do you think that there was no great numbers of people who could play during that time? That the team was so predictable? Why do you think they got the rid of Desmond Haynes and refuse to give him the captaincy? Tell us!

    You have the see the informal power which Richards and LLoyd wielded. You say they did not select the teams but nobody they did not want could play, ask Bestsy! Ask Lara why he had to wait for 2 years to get a play.

    The WICB(C) had nothing to do with the talent or the training in England either. They certainly had nothing to do with the Packer intervention, the reverse is true.

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  • Time for a name change ?

    From “The West Indies” to “The Caribbean”

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  • PACHY
    for once you are spot on!
    Richards did not lie Best because Best would not carry his bags etc Best told him to his face that he had a degree in Economics and a job in Barbados, or words to that effect. Logie on the other hand was an ass licker because he did not merit his play. Eventually Lara cussed him and pushed him out of the Trinidadian captaincy

    Lloyd told Greenidge if he didnt want to play i a certain test match in Australia that he could go home. Greenidge proceeded to make runs while limping Hence the myth that Greenidge was most lethal when limping

    Lara had to wait for 2 years to get a play while the Leeward Islander axis was at its zenith. But the WICB would later let Lara do as he liked until they decided to get rid of him in 2oo7- which resulted in him jumping..

    It is absolutely true that Richards and LLoyd wielded a lot of power and that . nobody they did not want could play,

    They got the rid of Desmond Haynes because they never forgot that when they drooped him and Richard Austin (who joining Packer in early 1978) that the team resigned, causing a second string team under Kalicharran to have to play. Subsequently Kalicharran was rejected by Lloyd and the Packer players and he became one of the Rebels who went to SA. How could they select Logie to tour Aiustralia in 81 and leave out Kalicharan?

    Most of the great team of the 80’s came at a time when English cricket needed overseas players to improve attendances at the county games.Sobers Kanhai and Gibbs Boyce Sheppard Holder were some of the pioneer Windies players. Many of the successful team of the 80’s followed.

    Because of our universal domination the ECB no longer give West Indian players the opportunity to play county cricket until our players have reached their declining stages. or have retired from test cricket. They have conspired that Windies cricketers will not glean experience from playing in their conditions. In addition, very few emerging Windies cricketers get contracts to play League cricket in England. In contrast players from all over the globe play in England, such that now there are as many foreign born players in the English team as Englishmen.

    It is well known that Greenidge was fit to play in 91 in England after his minor injury before the first test. He was excluded by Richards because as a pure technique player and playing in his “own back yard as it were” Greenidge would go go out on a blaze of glory, whereas Richards was declining furiously because he was losing his hand eye co-ordination because it was obvious that his near point had receeded. By then Richards was playing straighter and was eshewing his cross the line shots as was clearly evident in the test at Kensington in 91.

    West indies would have won in England in 91 if Greenidge had played
    West indies would have won in England in 95 if Haynes had played, nor would Australia had beaten us in 95.That Aussis team was definitely one of the weakest that came to our shores as Richardson opined at that time.

    Interneccine upheavals in the team due to insularity has hampered Windies cricket. The high handed behaviour of the WICB HAS, AND CONYINUES TO COMPOUND THIS FELONY.

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  • BCCI unlikely to claim damages from WICB
    Amol Karhadkar
    October 20, 2014
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    Rajasthan Royals seek clarity on home ground
    The IPL governing council will meet before the BCCI working committee on Tuesday. One of the key issues to be discussed by it will be the home venue of Rajasthan Royals for IPL 2015.
    Royals couldn’t play in Jaipur during IPL 2014, because of the inability of the Rajasthan Cricket Association to acquire requisite state government clearances for the use of the stadium in Jaipur. With the RCA and the BCCI currently involved in a bitter battle, Royals’ management has sought clarity on their home ground for the next year.
    If Ahmedabad, which hosted four of Royals’ home games each in 2010 and 2014, is to emerge as Royals’ home, then the team management may opt to rebrand the team, removing Rajasthan from its title.
    The BCCI is unlikely to claim damages from the WICB right away, for West Indies having pulled out of the tour to India mid-way, but it could hit them with a series embargo. The BCCI’s working committee, which will discuss the consequences of the pullout in Hyderabad on Tuesday, is also unlikely to suspend West Indies players from the IPL.

    The BCCI’s financial losses due to the cancellation of a major portion of the scheduled series could touch Rs 400 crore (US$65 million approx), but instead of claiming damages at this point, the working committee could decide to issue the WICB a legal notice, asking it why it shouldn’t be penalised right away for the breach of bilateral agreements signed between the two boards. Given that the WICB has been struggling financially, the BCCI is unlikely to claim huge damages right now.

    However, the BCCI hierarchy is of the opinion that the WICB’s breach is severe enough to sever ties with the board and amend the draft FTP accordingly. At the moment, India are set to tour the West Indies four times in the next eight years. But BCCI officials are all but sure that the team will not tour in 2016 (four Tests), and possibly in 2017 (five ODIs and a T20).

    The working committee might also approve the draft of a formal request to the ICC to step in and ensure that teams do not return home mid-way through a tour for reasons other than natural calamities and security issues.

    Some BCCI members are of the opinion that the players themselves – who had forced the pullout due to a payments-structure dispute with the board and their players’ association – should be directly penalised by suspending them from the IPL for a period, but that is unlikely to happen. The BCCI top brass is convinced that the West Indies players were not really at fault in the dispute with the board. Moreover, even if the members demand action against the players, they are likely to be told that it will be virtually impossible to do so considering the IPL players enter into a tri-partite agreement with the BCCI and their franchise.

    Also, since the franchises are backing the West Indies players and the team owners now have a greater say in the running of the league, West Indies cricketers are set to continue playing the IPL.

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  • Calypso kings now all cash and bling, and a rabble

    The West Indies’ abandonment of their tour of India is the sort of mess that only they could contrive. As players and officials turned acrimoniously on each other and on themselves this week, and the full consequences became apparent – including the possibility of the West Indies’ absence at next year’s World Cup – it was poignant that it fell to Clive Lloyd to make the apology.

    The miracle of the West Indies is that it does not exist, except as a cricket team. It is not a country, but a region, widespread, diverse and economically straitened, united only by a seductive beachy image. To cohere and grow at cricket to a point where it dominated the game for 20 years, it needed strong, charismatic leaders who reconciled factions and cultivated loyalty and respect. Sir Frank Worrell was one, Lloyd another, and in his own taciturn way, so was Viv Richards.

    Together, they made the West Indies not just powerful, but attractive to watch and popular. Worrell’s team, though narrowly beaten in Australia in 1961, was given a ticker tape parade in Melbourne as it left. Lloyd chose the SCG for his last Test, and upon departing was accorded an ovation that did not die until he was inside the pavilion. Richards made happy masochists of us all.

    But when the fall came, there was nothing to break it. Under feeble administration, the West Indies declined apace for 20 years and now are ranked eighth in Test cricket, above only Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, and eighth in one-dayers. For their recent home series against New Zealand, crowds numbered in the hundreds. West Indian cricket is nearly irrelevant.

    Yet their teams still are populated by cricketers who a Caribbean commentator once characterised as “a bit too pleased with themselves”. Chris Gayle epitomised them: such a devastating player, so insouciant. No successor to Worrell and Lloyd emerged to temper and tame. Spats broke out regularly between militant players and a shiftless board. There were at least three previous strikes.

    But this latest uprising takes sporting impasse to a new level. For a start, it is three-cornered: players against their board, board against the players’ association, players against their own association – which it accuses of betraying them in signing a punishing new memo of understanding last month. Second, though it has been brewing for months, the players waited until they were on tour to act. Boycott is one thing, mid-tour abandonment another.

    For India, it means 17 lost days of cricket (mitigated only a little by Sri Lanka’s agreement to step in for five one-dayers) and no home Tests for the second year in a row, displeasing Star TV, which has paid $500 million for six years of rights.

    For the rest of the world, it means uncertainty. The West Indies are due in South Africa this summer, but no one is counting on it. Immediately afterwards there is the World Cup in Australia and New Zealand, now also under a cloud. “We’re currently monitoring the situation and … we remain hopeful that any issues will be resolved,” a spokesman said on Monday.

    For the West Indies, it means more opprobrium and the probability that India will renege on at least half of its pledged visits to the Caribbean in the next 10 years. There is also the certainty of crippling financial loss. Not only will they forfeit the money they would have made from this tour, they stand to be sued for a mooted $80million for what India will lose by this cancellation. On Monday, the lawyers were gathering.

    Here is the nub of this nonsense. Whether cricket likes or loathes it, India finances it. Now the West Indians have bitten the hand that feeds. As a former senior ICC executive remarked on Monday: “Their judgment of when to fight and when to fold always has been questionable.”

    Reportedly, the memo to which the West Indians so object cuts the pay of senior players by a draconian 75 per cent. But those players mostly are on IPL payrolls, and earning on a scale beyond their forebears’ dreams. And don’t think for a moment they will be shunned by IPL teams for leaving India in the lurch, for the IPL has no conscience.

    It is perhaps fanciful to think that Lloyd in his prime would have taken these players, and board, and this matter in hand. At 70, he is still giving to West Indian cricket as chief selector, but able now only to act as the presentable face of the West Indies and say: “I apologise.”

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  • @Georgie and Pachy: If I understand the thread of these post, you are both affirming that Clive Lloyd and Sir Viv Richards were the power-brokers of their era and did not allow the intervention or incompetence of the administrators to affect their super success. And that they had enough influence to determine who made that final 11 regardless of the selection committee’s intent.

    All true and acceptable. So with that said how is the conclusion that the major weight for the current level of despair falls on the WICB. Or maybe I have misnderstood.

    If I follow your logic and facts to their reasonable conclusion it appears to me that you are saying both Clive Lloyd and Sir Viv would have absolutely squashed any internecine squabbles in teams they led, and would not have allowed any WICB interventions or incompetence to affect or control their prowess on the field… But that is exactly what this Bravo led group did.

    Back then the captains were faced with admin incompetence but called the shots, made practical, sensible decisions and generally won handsomely on the field.

    Now these captains are faced with the same incompetence, still calling the shots, making impractical, asinine decisions and generally losing badly on the field.

    Check what has changed. It isn’t the WICB. The culprit seems fairly obvious to me.

    Incidentally, Bestey is a good guy and was a tremendous batsman but that story of he and Sir Viv is a prime example of the ‘I smarter than you’ mentality that is a base of today’s issues. Frankly, that type of thing happens everyday at work and life BUT you better be sure you are in a position of strength to win that fight or dont’ start it.

    From Carlisle’s perspective if the story (oft repeated, I know) is true how did that benefit him? Not well, did it. As I recall, the rejoinder from Sir Viv was to the effect: “well why the ***** you don’t go and work in Barbados and let somebody who needs this job get a play”.

    As you alluded to Sir Viv had the reputation as the baddest Rottweiler in the yard. It’s generally stupid to pick a fight with the baddest dog.

    Here, Bravo is absolutely not the baddest dog but it seems that he certainly thinks he is.

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  • Dee Word wrote “Here, Bravo is absolutely not the baddest dog but it seems that he certainly thinks he is.”

    I disagree.

    Bravo has probably done more damage to West Indies cricket than anyone else ever did.

    The singular act of leading the players to quit in the middle of a tour will be very costly.

    While there is enough blame to share all around he and the players made a decision that could devastate West Indies cricket.

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  • Viv Richards is an ignorant bully from Antigua who could bat- that’s all! He cussed men and drove good players into early retirement – who could not stand his gutter behavior.

    And he unfaired Best, and Greenidge out of envy in 91 when Dexter was saying tat Gordan was the best right handed batsman he had seen technically.

    re From Carlisle’s perspective if the story (oft repeated, I know) is true how did that benefit him? Not well, did it.

    Carlisle continues to work, and can look forward to a pension.. He was right not to bow to the ignorance, and arrogance of Richards. Playing cricket is not all there is to life–even though it was all that Richards had. Best went out of cricket after an injury, and he had his degree to fall back on. What does Logie have to fall back on?

    One of the things that is wrong in this world is that folk often fail to stand up to petty ignorant,arrogant bullies for fear of loss.

    re As I recall, the rejoinder from Sir Viv was to the effect: “well why the ***** you don’t go and work in Barbados and let somebody who needs this job get a play”.

    THESE WERE THE WORDS OF AN INSULAR ANAL ORIFICE WHO WANTED TO DENIGRATE ANOTHER MAN BECAUSE HE WAS AN ACADEMIC. MOST ENGLISH CRICKETERS WENT TO UNIVERSITY. SO DO MOST INDIANS. THE 96 KIWI TEAM TO THE WEST INDIES HAD A PHYSICIAN IN THEIR RANKS

    RICHARDS IS STILL TALKING FAECULENT MATERIAL LIKE THE SCUM FROM ST JOHNS THAT HE IS POPULARITY AND FAME DONT TAKE CERTAIN TINGS AWAY.

    WHEN HE IS INTERVIEWED. HE SOUNDS AS WHAT HE REALLY IS—A SEMI ILLITERATE! Compare his interviews with the one with Bradshaw on Cricinfo recently! BUT WE LIVE IN AN AGE WHERE ONLY MONEY AND “SUcCESS” MATTERS

    re Clive Lloyd and Sir Viv would have absolutely squashed any internecine squabbles in teams they led, and would not have allowed any WICB interventions or incompetence to affect or control their prowess on the field…

    TOO MUCH CREDIT IS GIVEN TO LLOYD AND RICHARDS. These guys led teams with men who were true professionals who having played 6 and 7 per week in England by their own admission grew up quickly and learned to take on responsibility.

    Today we have a set of very well paid boys who are not very great players really, and who care only about money. They are definitely not responsible (although I am happy that they embbarrased the WICB).

    LLOYD got rid of Roberts for what ever reason, and Richards did not in anyway squash any internecine squabbles in teams they led, THEY SIMPLY HAD A CADRE OF BETTER PLAYERS THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

    THEY DID NOT DISPLAY ANY SUPERIOR TACTICS TO ANYONE ELSE
    THEY HAD SUPERIOR FAST BOWLERS TO ANY ONE ELSE. IT WAS THEN EASY FOR THE BATSMEN TO GENERALLY SCORE THE NEEDED RUNS TO WIN.

    NEITHER DID THEY HAVE SUPERIOR INTERPERSONAL OR HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT THAN ANYONE ELSE- EXCEPT THAT THEY WERE BASICALLY BULLIES

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  • @ Georgie Porgie
    Carlisle Best, we consider, to be our friend. We think it was unfair for him not to have played much more matches. We have told him this several times. But our overriding concern is about dominating world cricket. If our friend Carlisle and others had to suffer for us to continue the winning ways, we say in war, and cricket is war by other means, innocent people will suffer. We would support that same system again even if other good players have to suffer again. Once effective control is, once again, in the hands of the players on the field, the captain.

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  • it was definitely unfair for Carlisle Best,him not to have played much more matches. PERIOD
    HE WAS BETTER THAN MANY IN HIS ERA WHO PLAYED

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  • PACHY

    I DONT THINK THAT SOME CRICKETERS SHOULD SUFFER SO WE CAN DOMINATE WORLD CRICKET

    IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE THAT OTHER THAN THE BEST PLAYERS SHOULD PLAY

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  • The world is replete with individuals of high talent who never ‘made it’. Have a read of some of Michael Jordan biographies to see how some team members in a winning team. It is not unique to cricket. Logie, Phil Simmons, Hooper, benefited.

    It is evident the WICB structure has become irrelevant and we have to ask why. When Cameron stated early in the dispute it was an issue between WIPA and th Players some of us knew Houston had a problem. It exposed a lack of leadership and an inability to read the tea leaves.

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  • WHEN THE WICB BANNED 16-18 PLAYERS FOR GOING TO SA IN THE EARLY 80’S THAT WAS A MAJOR TOXIN, BECAUSE BY REMOVING THESE PLAYERS THEY CAUSED A SERIOUS BREAK IN CONTINUITY OF THE PRODUCTION LINE

    WHEN THEY DROPPED GREENIDGE RICHARDS AND DUJON FROM THE 92 WORLD CUP TEAM, THAT WAS A SECOND INJECTION

    WHEN THEY MISTREATED HAYNES, THAT WAS THE THIRD INJECTION

    NONE OF THESE PLAYERS CONTRIBUTED TO LOCAL FIRST CLASS CRICKET IN THE WINDIES BY THEIR PRESENCE IN THE TEAMS.

    THE RESULT WAS A WANING OF ATTENDANCE AT FIRST CLASS GAMES, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN THE PAUCITY OF ATTENDANCES AT TEST MATCHES THIS YEAR.

    I REMEMBER WELL THE CROWDS ON THE FIRST DAY (FRIDAY) OF THE BARBADOS VS LEEWARDS GAME IN 91 WHEN YOU HAD AT LEAST 6 TEST PLAYERS ON BOTH TEAMS

    NOW WE DONT GO TO SEE TEST MATCHES FAR LESS FIRST CLASS GAMES

    WHO ARE WE GOING TO SEE?
    WHY GO WHEN EVEN THE FEW “stars” ON SHOW DONT EVEN SHINE

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  • Attendance at Test matches is trending down world wide.

    On Monday, 20 October 2014, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  • @ Georgie
    Sometimes in management instead of having the best individual players you may need a broader range of talents. For example, there was a player who never use to do too well with the bat or the ball but when things were down he was the one to lift the team spirit, by telling jokes. Now, this is a man who may not be in your 11 but could be good to have in the set up.

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  • Attendance at Test matches is STILL VERY GOOD IN AUSTRALIA ENGLAND AND INDIA ESPECIALLY
    THE ATTENDANCE IN SA IS SATISFACTORY

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  • @Georgie your recent post is unnecessarily angry and filled with animus toward Sir Viv. I am disappointed that it devolved to that level. If you don’t like the guy so be it and he may be all the things you have said but denigrating him like that is very wrong and very insular.

    My comment :– “ Carlisle’s perspective… “ was a reference to his cricket life only. His successes after cricket as Central Banker and commentator, and the college degree which underpinned that was not in question.

    My further comment:– “As I recall, …from Sir Viv..” was to highlight the original remarks from Best which I thought were out of place. Sir Viv’s were nasty but absolutely in context. One does not need an economics degree to play cricket, so to brag about that in that space was being petty or ‘powerful foolish’. In 100% of the cases such a snobbish remark will evoke a nasty response.

    Being educated is not the issue but attempting to be snobbish about it certainly is.

    How is too much credit given to Lloyd and Sir Viv? Lloyd like Sir Frank before him honed a group of skilled, insularly focused athletes into a well-oiled cricket machine. That was not by chance or whim. You can’t seriously not appreciate the depth of insularity in those days. Lloyd’s appointment as captain was in itself shrouded in issues.

    Our teams in recent years were skilled enough to do better but lacked an absolute no-nonsense leader to get them over the line. Based on the previous era evidence someone of the ilk of Lloyd or Richards could have done the job.

    You say the Lloyd and Richards teams were in your words true professionals because they played 7 weeks in county cricket and grew up quickly with responsibility and therefore needed no guidance from an effective leader,

    So please tel me, why then do you assert that a similar bunch of talented players who do much more in cricket around the world than Viv and Clive’s fellas did on the county scene have NOT grown up quickly?

    This bunch (several of them) are playing approximately 5 -6 weeks each at IPL, Big Bash, Caribbean T20 and others, rubbing shoulders with top cricket professionals from around the world; seeing first-hand the nexus of corporate, entertainment and sports; working closely with agents, lawyers and advertisers etc.

    What has stopped them from showing responsibility?

    Lack of leadership maybe…it certainly can’t be all about the money, can it?

    BTW, show me a leader in sports (specifically but generally too) who does not piss off, dismiss and anger a good number of his people and I’ll show you one whose success is less than desired. By their very nature top athletes are opinionated and confident about themselves, sometimes very arrogant. It ALWAYS takes someone with a strong (brusque, in-your-face) will to guide them to success.

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  • @Hants

    The comment “the baddest dog ….” meant that Bravo thought he was the top dog and could do what he wanted because everyone would wilt at his snarl.

    We agree that his actions will have a grave impact; that has been my thesis from day 1.

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  • The West Indies crisis

    WICB to decide on players’ fate on Tuesday
    Nagraj Gollapudi
    October 20, 2014
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    The West Indies players will know the consequences of pulling out of the India tour on Tuesday © BCCI
    Engage with the BCCI as soon as possible to rebuild the relationship. And hand out stiff action, including possible bans, against the core group of players who engineered the pullout from the India tour. Those are the two main courses of action the 18 directors of the WICB will deliberate on at the emergency board meeting in Barbados on Tuesday morning.

    The WICB realises it has burned bridges with the BCCI, but it has been a loyal supporter of the Indian board in the recent past and hopes to leverage this to its advantage.

    Even though no agenda has been set for the meeting, directors who interacted with ESPNcricinfo felt the players had “embarrassed” the Caribbean and brought “collective shame” by deciding to leave the India tour mid-way.

    The WICB was forced to convene the meeting after West Indies ODI captain Dwayne Bravo along with the rest of the squad informed the team management last Friday that the players would not take any further part in the tour after the fourth ODI in Dharamsala. The WICB issued two media releases immediately: initially it absolved itself of any blame, but the second release stated the board was left with no other option but to call off the tour.

    Although the WICB put the blame on Bravo and his team-mates, the BCCI saw the matter differently. Sanjay Patel, the BCCI secretary, categorically pulled up the WICB for jeopardising the tour and said the BCCI would take appropriate action.

    With the BCCI holding its working committee meeting in Hyderabad tomorrow, the WICB directors do not want to waste any further time in extending the hand of peace. “The only thing that will solve this problem will be dialogue,” a senior WICB director said. “We need to discuss mainly [how] to try and build the relationship back with the BCCI. We know that the BCCI will have no confidence in the WICB supplying a team again, and no guarantee can be given in the present circumstances. The BCCI and the WICB have shared a good relationship. The BCCI officials should understand the situation and that the WICB had no other alternative but to do what it did. It was the players, really, to be blamed.”

    A second director agreed, saying reaching out to the BCCI was an “early step” which had become mandatory. “We have shamed our hosts. We have shamed ourselves. That must be on the agenda of the WICB.” According to him the people of the West Indies were “shocked, overwhelmed and disappointed” at the action of the players. “It has brought collective shame to the Caribbean people. It was not the wish of the WICB for something like that to happen.”

    “Some just measures should be taken against the players. I would especially like the players who were part of the core group to call off this tour to be completely banned from participating in the IPL in future.”
    A WICB director to ESPNcricinfo

    The directors insisted that the WICB “did all what they could have done” in ensuring the tour would continue. They felt that the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) was the rightful place for Bravo and his men to engage in negotiations instead of seeking WICB intervention – only because the board would not bypass the player representative.

    “We feel that WIPA, the legitimate representatives of players in the Caribbean, did what they may feel was right. They thought despite a lot of our players playing around the world [in different Twenty20 leagues] the standard of West Indies cricket was not raised. It continued to linger at the bottom edge of world cricket. And hence WIPA in association with the WICB decided to have 90 contracted players across the Caribbean to improve West Indies cricket. That is where the money, the players say they are losing, is going. It is not going into the pockets of the WICB bosses,” the first director said.

    He said he would ask the board to seriously consider some disciplinary action. “Some just measures should be taken against the players. I would especially like the players who were part of the core group to call off this tour to be completely banned from participating in the IPL in future.” He said no such request from the WICB had been sent to the BCCI but that point was bound to be raised at the board meeting on Tuesday.

    But his fellow board member felt it would be prudent to exercise patience and caution for now. “At this stage it is difficult to apportion blame to anybody. The fact is that they [the players] aborted the tour. No matter what difficulties were faced, this action is unprecedented. None of the tours aborted in the past were due to player conflicts. I wonder if the people involved understood the implications of such a decision.”

    The WICB finds itself in a tight corner with no ally, including the ICC. Even if the West Indies tour is part of the current FTP, the ICC has no direct role to play with respect to the dispute. Any claims and damages would need to be addressed according to the MoU signed by the BCCI and WICB. Under the new reforms, unveiled after the last ICC AGM, all matters relating to the FTP are dealt with directly by the members.

    The BCCI’s hard posturing so far suggests it is not afraid to lay down severe financial claims from the WICB. Some of its members want to have a rethink over India’s tours to the Caribbean in 2016 and ’17. “Definitely there will be long-term damage to West Indies cricket, to the reputation of the Caribbean people. How we could mitigate such damages would be the decision of the board, a decision we will have to be advised upon as well. Because it could have far-reaching consequences beyond cricket as well,” the second director said.

    But he was equally confident about working out a solution with both the BCCI and the players. Despite its aggressive stance, the BCCI is also likely to consider its progressive relationship with the WICB. Dave Cameron, the WICB president, has been a key supporter of India at the ICC board meetings. Last year West Indies players had to cut short their holidays as the WICB assembled quickly a team to play the two-Test series in India which where the farewell to Sachin Tendulkar.

    “I am confident the administrators will look all around and not put punitive measures on people and territorial and regional boards. We have to look at the collective good of the sport, what is the best decision for the sport, what are the implications of the actions of doing one thing as against another thing. Good and mature sense will prevail in the end. I am confident of that,” the second director said.

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  • RE @Georgie your recent post is unnecessarily angry and filled with animus toward Sir Viv. PLEASE KINDLY NOTE THAT I AM VERY CALM AND NOT ANGRY AT ALL AND I HAVE NO APOLOGIES TO MAKE ABOUT WHAT I SAID ABOUT RICHARDS

    A COUNTY CRICKET SEASON DOES NOT LAST 7 WEEKS
    I HAVE LISTENED TO SEVERAL INTERVIEWS AND READ SEVERAL ARTICLES IN WHICH THE PLAYERS OF THE 70’S & 80;S CREDIT THEIR EXPERIENCE IN ENGLISH COUNTY CRICKET FOR PROMOTING THEIR RESPONSIBLITY AND PROFESSIONALISM.

    RE
    So please tel me, why then do you assert that a similar bunch of talented players who do much more in cricket around the world than Viv and Clive’s fellas did on the county scene have NOT grown up quickly?

    This bunch (several of them) are playing approximately 5 -6 weeks each at IPL, Big Bash, Caribbean T20 and others, rubbing shoulders with top cricket professionals from around the world; seeing first-hand the nexus of corporate, entertainment and sports; working closely with agents, lawyers and advertisers etc.

    I DONT HAVE TO TELL YOU ONE THING ‘
    I HAVE SAID WHAT I HAVE TO SAY
    YOU CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE

    THE CONTEMPORARY PLAYERS ARE CLEARLY NOT AS RESPONSIBLE OR TALENTED AS PLAYERS OF EARLIER GENERATIONS DESPITE ALL THEY DO.
    IT IS TIME WE RECOGNIZE THAT

    What has stopped them from showing responsibility?

    YOU FIGURE IT OUT
    COUNTY CRICKET AND T20 SWIPING IS A FAR DIFFERENT THING

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  • THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THE WIBC
    NOTE ONE OF THE DIRECTORS WISH THIS
    I would especially like the players who were part of the core group to call off this tour to be completely banned from participating in the IPL in future.”
    SAID A WICB director to ESPNcricinfo
    THE PURPOSE OF THE WIBC IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO PUT THE PLAYERS AND KEEP THEM IN THIER PLACE

    RE seeing first-hand the nexus of corporate, entertainment and sports; working closely with agents, lawyers and advertisers etc.

    NOTE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PLAYING CRICKET ON THE FIELD

    WITH ALL THIS EXPOSURE AND LEADERSHIP FROM THE EXPERT COACHES THEY STILL PLAY SHIT CRICKET

    THE FELLOWS IN THE 50’S AND 60’S DIDNT HAVE ALL THAT BUT THEY PLAYED GOOD CRICKET. THEY HAD PRIDE IN THEM SELVES THEY SOUGHT TO EXCEL

    MANY GREAT FIRST CLASS PLAYERS — MUCH BETTER THAN THESE MORONS DIDNT PLAY FOR WEST INDIES

    BUT THEY ARE RIGHT TO EMBARRASS THE WI BOARD

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  • @ Georgie
    You may have us on this one. Still, we can’t see things as cut and dry as you. You may want the best players on the field and this is a strong point. But in management there are almost always many more variables in the milieu.

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  • PACHY
    oFTEN WE DONT GET THE BEST BECAUSE OF POLITICS…..ITS EVERYWHERE—EVEN IN CHURCH

    ON THE 66 TOUR TO ENGLAND ROBIN BYNOE WAS NOT PICKED NEITHER WAS LLOYD

    WHY WAS THAT? THE BAJAN SELECTOR DIDNT VOTE FOR LLOYD SO THE GUYANESE SELECTOR DIDNT VOTE FOR BYNOE

    ON THE NEXT TOUR TO INDIA AT THE END OF THAT YEAR,, THEY WERE BOTH SELECTED, AS YOU MIGHT RECALL

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  • @ Georgie;

    You got me real confused brother…yea, I’m a bit slow.

    You clearly have read your history and and done your research but you only interpret that info as you see fit, all else be damned.

    You are the person who said that the players in county cricket were responsible, clearly alluding to the fact that the day to day actions of training, traveling, interfacing with other top crickets, having to maintain excellent time management etc. etc. made the 80’s era players top professionals in mind and body. Dude, I read my history too.

    My goodness, I understand that and so too any person who has a modicum of sense of how business and life works.

    How then can you argue that the current players who are doing the same thing, in fact doing more because there is more advertising, endorsements etc now not gleaning anything from this exposure.

    Are you saying this generation is stupid whereas the 80’s era had some special intelligent gene to grasp the context of responsible behaviour?

    Your reasoning makes no sense to me. So absolutely I disagree on that basis.

    I am not talking about on the field sir. Whether swiping T20 or 4 day county games the tone and context of the off-field professionalism requirements remains absolutely the same to be a successful athlete.

    Of course, this era players are not as responsible to the ethos of WI cricket; that’s clear. But they have had as much exposure as the others an absolutely know what it takes to be responsible and professional.

    They don’t want to because they feel entitled, have an elevated sense of power and damn well know that despite all the ‘no objection clause’ stuff that they can walk away from WI cricket and still make an excellent living.

    You certainly are entitled to believe and say what you want to but surely the discourse should rationally flow from point 1 to 2.

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  • RE this era players are not as responsible to the ethos of WI cricket; that’s clear.
    They don’t want to because they feel entitled, have an elevated sense of power and damn well know that despite all the ‘no objection clause’ stuff that they can walk away from WI cricket and still make an excellent living.

    I AGREE WITH ALL THE ABOVE

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  • The business of West Indies cricket in India.

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  • The decline and fall of Test cricket

    Like children do with video games, as spectators we are going numb watching dull, futile matches and are revelling in the tiny bits of quality on display

    Rahul Bhattacharya

    December 13, 2010

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    Decline, decline everywhere in Test cricket. Australia are in gloat-worthy decline. New Zealand have declined to a small spot on the horizon. Pakistan are declining in concentric implosions. West Indies, perhaps, can no longer be accused of being in decline; they have simply settled into a permanent beach-chair recline. And yet managed to come out looking better in rain-drenched Sri Lanka, whose team, no longer levitating on Murali’s magic carpet, are themselves not flying up, up and away.

    Bangladesh, decline being impossible, are at any given time supposedly in incline – till whoops! A collapse here and another there and ’tis but an illusion it turns out. Hence they remain secure at the intersection of X and Y axes. Zimbabwe have declined off the co-ordinates altogether.

     

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/491570.html

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  • BUT BECAUSE OF THE LIFE BAN ON THE 18 PLAYERS AND THE FACT THAT THE 80’S GREATS DIDNT PLAY ON AFTER RETIREMENT, THIS CROP OF PLAYERS DID NOT DO THEIR APPRENTICESHIP PROPERLY

    NONE OF THEM CAN BAT A WHOLE DAY LIVE IRVINE SHILLINGFORD OR LOCHHART SEBSTIEN EXCEPT CHANDERPAUL

    THEY JUST HAVE NOT PLAYED THE AMOUNT OF CRICKET THAT THE OLDSTERS PLAYED TO GET INTO THEIR NATIONAL TEAMS FAR LESS THE WINDIES TEAM

    COUNTY CRICKET PROVIDES SEVERAL DIFFERING CONDITIONS IN ONE WEEK .
    THE ECB DONT MIND BEING BEATEN BY AUSTRALIA OR SOUTH AFRICA, BUT THEY HAVE DECIDED THAT WINDIES WILLNOT CONQUER AND RULE AS THEY DID BETWEEN 76 AND 95
    HENCE NO COUNTY OR LEAGUE CONTRACTS….SO NO FINISHING SCHOOL FOR THESE JOKERS AS IT WERE

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  • west indies cricket has now become super charged with total indifference by both player and board members for the game both of which could not give a dam about what the spectator have to say or feel any rallying cry for compensation should be zoomed in the direction pf past players who played their hearts out for little, both board and cricketers should be left to drown in their own tirade of stupidity and selfishness,

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  • The WICB has to learn how to manage the small talent pool in an environment where the best players are millionaires and have IPL and Big Bash contracts.

    It is unfortunate that the players did not consider the fact that they may have cost themselves millions by the idiotic decision to quit in the middle of a tour.

    In the words of Malik “west indies cricket real fuhcup”

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  • Smells like sabotage to me.

    ++++From Wisden India- http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-news/players-decision-withdraw-wicb/131089:

    +++ Bravo, who has had several exchanges with Wavell Hinds, the WIPA president, and the WICB regarding the ongoing issues surrounding player fees, was accused of sending a veiled threat to Hinds in his initial communication. WICB quoted Bravo as writing, “Please note that we are giving you the opportunity to right this wrong before things deteriorate [sic] to such an extent that West Indies cricket to the wider cricket world looks to fall to its knees again.”

    +++ WICB also revealed that a delegation comprising Michael Muirhead, the WICB CEO, Julian Charles, the chairman of the cricket committee and Hinds had been scheduled to arrive in India on Monday (October 20), to meet with the players on a number of issues. This meeting was scheduled BEFORE (my emphasis) the players raised concerns about the new Memorandum of Understanding and Collective Bargaining Agreement signed, and was “intended to acquaint all the parties of how it would roll out”, having been agreed upon earlier to take place during the tour of India for logistical reasons – since all the national players weren’t available in the Caribbean right before the tour, with several involved in the Champions League Twenty20 in India.+++

    Unless somebody was trying to pull a fast-one (as Mike Holding alluded to in his piece) how in the name of sensible operations can WICB and WIPA sign and complete that MOU if they had planned to come and discuss details with the players.

    After the strong push back from the players there should have been an immediate remark from WICB saying, ok let’s chat when we get there at our planned meeting, we will hold things as the same until we can resolve.

    But from where I sit, it’s clear that the WICB CEO having already completed the most important action item on his annual plan and having carried out the wishes of his bosses was not going to screw-up his end of year performance review by tearing up the contract to start over.

    He simply had to play hardball tactics and get the players to oblige his recklessness by being just as indifferent.

    Now he can stand before his board tomorrow and say I followed the letter of the law and the players were recalcitrant and irresponsible. They must be punished.

    If he had the real power and security of his job and the true interest of WI cricket as his goal he would have backed-off.

    This is some really deep shit and when all the dirty little back-room details of the last few days flow out I hope careers get pinched accordingly.

    Banning Bravo et al will be counter productive in long run I think but they must be ‘censured’ for their actions. Heavy fines is one option. Take the matter before an arbitrator or a ruling.

    The WICB CEO and Directors with whom he communicated on this matter at the time must be fired (CEO) and voted off board (directors).

    Mr. Hinds will be dealt with by his members.

    But all that easier said than done. We’ll see.

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  • i DONT BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD HAD PLANNED TO GO TO INDIA ON THE 20TH

    I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THEY CAME UP WITH ON FRIDAY WHEN THE FELLAS GOT TIRED WITH THEM AND QUIT

    I WOULD NOT PLAY ANY FINE
    NOT WHEN I CAN GO AROUND DE WORLD PLAYING 20/20 TOURNAMENTS
    THE IPL WANT THE WEST INDIANS WHO PLAY FOR THEM NOW
    SCREW THE WICB

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  • here is what the greatest cricket sir garfield sober said about his motivation vs todays performers and their loyalty

    “I’ve always just played for the team, greatness isn’t something I ever looked for, it’s something which is achieved through your own performances.
    “But to know what the players are thinking*today) is difficult. With so much money in the 20/20 where does one’s loyalty lie? I just don’t know.
    “It then becomes difficult for players to adapt as it’s a completely different mentality, a whole different outlook and a whole different approach.”

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  • THE WICB HAD LLOYD WHO HAS THE STATUS OF MOSES, SIR RICHIE SIR AMBROSE ET AL IN INDIA

    DID THEY SEEK THE OPINION OF THESE MEN

    THE BOARD COULD HAVE BACK PEDALLED TO THE OLD POSITION AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSIONS WHEN THE PLAYERS RETURNED HOME

    IT ALWAYS MAKES ME LAUGH WHEN EMPLOYERS PLAY BIG FASHIONED AND THEN FIND THAT THEY HAVE MADE A BIG MISTAKE WITH THE WRONG FOLK

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  • India suspend tours of West Indies
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/29702554

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  • It is interesting all those years ago the 1972/75 tour to India signaled the arrival of a crop of players under Lloyd who would dominate cricket in a way the world is in wait to have emulated. It is ironic that the unprecedented action by West Indian players that has seen India retaliate by suspending future tours may yet see another signal moment in WI history.

    West Indies in India Nov 1974/Jan 1975 – Summary

    “The West Indies: Fifty years of Test Cricket” by Tony Cozier.
    (Excerpt) West Indies in India 1974-5

    Before it started, the WI tour of India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan
    in late 1974 and early 1975 was, quite reasonably, regarded as
    crucial to the development of a comparitively new crop of
    players. Not only was the assignment itself an exacting one, with
    seven tests in 4 1/2 months, but there was to be a new captain
    and vice captain in charge of a talented but generally inexperi-
    enced young contingent. Additionally, for the first time in 17
    years, the WI would be without their two most seasoned and
    succesful Test cricketers, Sobers and Kanhai.

    The results, at the end of it all, were highly encouraging. An
    enthralling series against India, was won 3-2, yet West Indian
    spirits, lifted more by the individual performances, not least
    the captain’s, and by the indisputable evidence that Lloyd had a
    team of enormous potential under him. There were some players
    whose statistical record was moderate, but not one of them could
    have considered the tour an embarrassment. In the Tests, all the
    specialist batsmen recorded centuries, and every bowler made his
    contribution.

    http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1970S/1974-75/WI_IN_IND/WI_IN_IND_1974-5_SUMMARY.html

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  • @David;
    –“It is interesting all those years ago the 1972/75 tour to India signaled the arrival of a crop of players under Lloyd who would dominate cricket in a way the world is in wait to have emulated…”

    Excellent comparison to the start in 1972. As you allude to, so then was a start to a tipping point under LLoyd; so too now initiates a tipping point again in India. This one foreboding and uncertain.

    Yes, how ironic that Clive Lloyd is present for both.

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  • The IPL chairman has said that West Indies’ players won’t face any ban from the tournament after they pulled out midway through their tour of India. The IPL governing council also announced that the next season of the IPL will be played between April 9 and May 24. The World Cup final is on March 29, giving players a 10-day gap between the two tournaments, which is more than the five-day break they got in 2011.

    “It depends upon them (West Indies players). If they want to play IPL they are welcome,” Ranjib Biswal, the IPL chairman, said in Hyderabad, where the BCCI’s emergency working committee met to discuss the fallout of West Indies pulling out of the India tour last week.

    On Monday one of the WICB directors told ESPNcricinfo that he would like the BCCI to ban the core group of the players, who were instrumental in West Indies aborting the India tour, permanently from the IPL. The director felt it was a “just measure” after the players had “embarrassed” the Caribbean and brought “collective shame” by deciding to leave the India tour mid-way.

    But Biswal said the issue of participation of West Indies players had not at all come up for discussion. One of the Biswal’s colleagues on the governing council reiterated the BCCI stance on not holding the players responsible for the debacle. “It is all because of the arrogance of the WICB such a thing has happened. The players cannot be blamed.”

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  • BCCI suspends all bilateral tours to West Indies
    The BCCI working committee has decided to suspend all bilateral tours to West Indies, in response to the visitors pulling out of their India tour. India were expected to play five series against West Indies in the next eight years, including four visits to the Caribbean.
    While a BCCI release made no specific mention of any claim for damages, the Indian board will also initiate legal proceedings against the West Indies Cricket Board.
    The board statement also did not mention any action against West Indies players who participate in the IPL. The players were unlikely to be suspended from participation in the league, with franchises backing them.
    The working committee meeting in Hyderabad was convened to discuss the aftermath of West Indies’ pullout. The members unanimously felt that strong action needed to be taken against WICB in order to prevent recurrence of such an event.

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  • We all feel your pain.

    The new ICC’s first giant test: saving West Indies cricket from implosion
    The West Indies Cricket Board is more concerned with appeasing India than repairing relations with its own players
    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/21/the-spin-west-indies-cricket-dispute

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  • We must find a better way to resolve conflicts

    We must find a better way to resolve conflicts
    TUE, OCTOBER 21, 2014 – 12:38 PM

    THERE was once a lonely old man who lived in a very poor section of town. Every afternoon a group of youngsters went to that section to play, beat cans and drums and make a lot of noise. The old man hated the noise and soon came up with a plan to deal with the young men.

    One afternoon he went to meet them and told them how much he enjoyed the racket and looked forward to their visits. He then said, “Each time you come here to entertain me I will give you$20. Here is today’s payment.”

    The young men took the money and thought it was a good deal. The next day they returned and played with great gusto. The old man then went to them and said, “I only have $15 today but I will give you $25 tomorrow.”

    Next day he told them that he didn’t have time to go to the bank and could only give them $5 but promised to make up the deficit on the following day. Angered by what they suspected to be a broken promise, the players refused the money and told him they would not entertain him anymore for just $5. They left immediately and never went back, not realising that the old man had outsmarted.

    Does this story have any relevance to the current conflict in West Indies cricket?

    Dr Edward deBono, a world authority on lateral thinking stresses that a better way to resolve conflicts must be found. He feels that there is no more important matter for the future of the world than conflict resolution.

    In the last three weeks opposing sides have been involved in bitter arguments about who is right and who is wrong not realising that adversarial thinking intensifies conflict. It does not defuse it. As one side attacks the other side defends or counterattacks and tempers rise. Positions then become more rigid and the parties stop listening to each other.

    The drive to attack and defend precludes any creative or constructive thinking. Each side spends so much time attacking the other side that the credibility of both sides is damaged. To use this method of thinking as the first and only method for conflict resolution is a prescription for disaster. It is very difficult to solve a conflict with conflict thinking.

    Negotiating or bargaining is preferable to adversarial thinking but it too has weaknesses. Negotiation is about compromise in which each side gives up something and finishes up somewhere between two existing positions. In this type of thinking we restrict ourselves to what already exists; we work within boundaries that exist rather than designing new ones.

    Problem solving is better than adversarial thinking and compromise but it also has its limitations. In problem solving we analyse the problem, find the cause and put it right. But in complex human interactions there might be more than one cause. Identifying Wavell Hinds as the cause of the problem and removing him from his position might not solve the problem because there may be multiple causes, not just one. What happens if we can’t find a cause or if we find the cause but can’t remove it? What do we do then?

    According to Dr deBono, design thinking is the preferred method in conflict resolution. Design thinking is not about compromise or removing a problem. Argument, compromise and analysis are about the past, what is already there, while design thinking is about the future, what is to be created.

    In design thinking opposing parties articulate a clear purpose, goal or outcome and then tailor their skills and resources to fit that purpose. The exercise is all about purpose and fit and usually results in win/win outcomes.

    In resolving conflict we should start with the best, design thinking, because it is more productive. Problem solving should be next followed by negotiation which usually results in a fallback position. If these three approaches fail we might then have to go back to the fight method as a last resort. This is very different from starting the process in the fight mode.

    I wonder what course this conflict will now take and what impact WICB’s decision to cancel the remainder of the tour of India will have on West Indies cricket, the relationship between the cricket boards of India and West Indies, the relationship between the IPL and its West Indies players, the relationship with sponsors, and the relationship with TV broadcasters who stand to lose at least 15 days of Test match cricket. It will also be interesting to find out if the board’s decision was in fact unanimous and how much money will be lost as a result of that decision.

    Let’s keep our fingers crossed and hope that sanity and commonsense somehow find their way into the resolution of this conflict.

    • Rudi V. Webster is a noted sports psychologist and was manager of the West Indies team in the Kerry Packer days.

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  • WICB ‘embarassed’
    TUE, OCTOBER 21, 2014 – 6:45 PM

    THE WEST INDIES Cricket Board says it is deeply embarrassed by the “premature and unfortunate” end to the recent tour of India and will embark on a systematic review of the relevant events.

    Below is the full statement issued following today’s emergency meeting of the board of directors in Barbados.

    The West Indies Cricket Board regrets, and is deeply embarrassed by the premature and unfortunate end to the recent tour of India. The WICB once again expresses to the BCCI and all stakeholders – especially the cricket loving public of the West Indies and India – sorrow for the events leading up to this development.

    The Board of Directors of the WICB, today met to formally embark on the process of a careful and systematic review of relevant events and have, initially, decided as follows:

    1. to establish a Task Force, comprising critical stakeholders, to review the premature end of the tour to India. The Task Force will meet with all parties, including WIPA and the players, before reporting its findings to the Board of Directors.
    2. to request a meeting with the BCCI.

    3. to schedule an urgent debriefing with the West Indies Team Management Unit.

    4. to assure Cricket South Africa that it will use its best endeavours to ensure a successful tour of South Africa as scheduled.

    The WICB is mindful of the related decisions of the BCCI Working Committee.

    In light of the longstanding good relationship between WICB and BCCI, which goes back decades and has produced numerous mutual benefits, the WICB looks forward to meeting with the BCCI to discuss these decisions which can have serious implications for West Indies cricket.

    WICB believes that a way can be found to repair the damage that has been caused and to ensure that similar events do not recur, with the focus being on the betterment of West Indies and world cricket.

    The WICB thanks all stakeholders, particularly the ICC, BCCI, their broadcasters and sponsors for their patience and understanding in this matter and looks forward to the continuation of a strong relationship between our Boards.

    The WICB is committed to acting as expeditiously as the situation allows, and will provide further information to the public as soon as it is appropriate to do so.

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  • No use pointing fingers
    Added by Barbados Today on October 21, 2014.
    Saved under Editorial

    Oh what a tangled web we weave!

    The West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) is in a crisis of unimaginable proportions, even peril, after dreaded confirmation came today of a strong backlash from peeved cricket authorities in India.

    In the wake of a controversial decision by players to abandon their tour of India at the end of the fourth One-Day International in Dharamsala on Friday, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) is now contemplating a lawsuit to recoup losses estimated at $65 million for the cancellation of the last ODI, a lone Twenty20 International and three Test matches.

    And it gets worse, the WICB could be shut out of the powerful and lucrative cricket market for at least five years if international reports are true.

    As the rumblings surfaced last week, we looked on and appealed for good sense to prevail but it appears that egos won the battle and there will be big losers all around.

    It would be easy to point fingers at this stage and ask the players who insisted they could not continue because their pay packs were unacceptable, if their course of action was worth virtually destroying this Caribbean game that we all proudly love despite their repeated failings on the pitch.

    It would be easy to point fingers and ask the men in the middle who opted to pull stumps if they considered that the big pay packs they claim they were trying to preserve are virtually down the drain with the multi-million dollar lawsuit hanging in the dressing room of the already cash-strapped WICB.

    It would be easy to point fingers and ask our players if any consideration was given to fighting their battles in private, never ever in public and far less on the international scene, to avoid the embarrassment West Indies cricket which has long lost the glory days of Sobers, Worrell, Richards and Marshall, will suffer.

    It would be easy to point fingers and ask our boys whether there was no room for mediation with the very association they chose as their bargaining agent before calling it quits.

    It would be easy to point fingers at the WICB and ask if it made every overture to the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) and its disgruntled members to settle the pay dispute to avoid the current dilemma.

    It would be easy to point fingers at the WICB and WIPA and ask if they entertained an offer from Grenadian Prime Minister Dr Keith Mitchell to mediate the dispute.

    But what’s the use of pointing fingers? Urgent solutions must now be found to save West Indies cricket which will pay dearly for the failure of both sides to play by the rules.

    This disaster raises a cloud of uncertainty over upcoming international engagements, which include a tour of South Africa at the end of the year, followed by the World Cup in Australia and New Zealand in February and March.

    It could very well cause sponsors to rethink their massive sums of investment into the game that is fast losing ground to football, more favoured by the young.

    We implore both WIPA and the WICB to source the best negotiators in the region to broker a way out of this crisis, even as we pray that the damage is not irreparable.

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  • What wrong wid wunna. West Indies doing good, check this clip from earlier.

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  • When Ambrose and then Walsh left Windies, that was the beginning of the end.

    When Brian Lara left, all real class, apart from the indomitable Shiv, was gone.

    It is basically over.

    At least we have the old videos to watch and enjoy and reminisce.

    Should trun all the old cricket fields to soccer and athletic fields and put the monies in that instead.

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