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Hal Austin
Hal Austin

Introduction:
The premature death of Professor Norman Girvan has robbed the Caribbean of one of its genuine intellectuals and, in particular, of the leading theorist of the regional union, Caricom. I had the misfortune of not knowing Professor Girvan personally, but feel as if I did: we have a regular email correspondence and have been guests together on a couple radio phone-in programmes. What makes this virtual friendship more real is that a very good friend and mentor, the woman I can thank for most of my political education, Selma James, the widow of the late CLR James, would often remind me that I should make contact with โ€˜Normanโ€™, as she addressed him.

After the failure of the West Indies Federation in 1962, the most practicable attempt at regional unity since then has been Caricom. But, as I have said on a number of occasions here and elsewhere, although the intention is laudable, the reality has been sadly flawed. Ignoring for the time being the ill-thought out idea of a free movement of people โ€“ in a public debate in London some time ago I raised the issue of the Barbados legislation being specific about free movement for those who have graduated from the University of the West Indies and the University of Guyana, but other graduates enjoying the same benefit with the ministerโ€™s โ€˜discretionโ€™. Someone once tried to persuade me that this โ€˜discretionโ€™ will only be a formality, but can you imagine some small-minded minister having this weapon in his/her hands and not using it, especially if it is someone they have political objections to?

But Caricom is more than this. It is an attempt to bring those many small islands and nations in that region โ€“ whatever their history of colonialism โ€“ together to maximise their influence and shared benefits. So far we are only part of the way, with stultifying barriers preventing us from going all the way. Of these, the ultimate denial of participatory democratic rights for citizens was when Caricom redesigned its website and even the limited free access to documents it once allowed it curtailed without discussion. (In my experience they do not even reply to email queries). It is the traditional top down arrogance, Caricom citizens must take what they are given and if they want to find out about how they are governed they must pay to get the publication. It must be the only major body in the region โ€“ indeed the Western world โ€“ that charges for digital copies of reports. It is democracy at a price. One comparison that can be made with Caricom is that of Asean, the South Asian regional organisation. Over and above what has been called the Asian welfare model (see, for example: โ€œIs there an Asian Welfare Model,โ€ Gabriele Kohler), Asean has a comprehensive economic policy in place, the like of which Caricom has not even got round to seriously considering. This regional unity was brought even closer after the 1998 Asian financial crisis, when collectively the member-states pledged that it would not happen again. Since then they have spectacularly strengthened their cooperation and produced a document, ASEAN Vision 2020. They now have a roadmap and, as we now know, the region is the main drive of the global economy.

There is nothing convincing about Caricomโ€™s many statements about cross-border banking and financial regulation that encourages one to have any faith in the current regime. A free trade area should remove import and export tariffs, passports for all people, not just graduates and other so-called professionals, citizens of one member-state should be citizens of all member-states. The barriers we should create should be around our external boundaries, with tougher conditions on entry, tighter controls on who can become citizens our (not Russian gangsters) and restrictions on dual nationality so that some of us cannot walk around with UK or US passports in our back pockets while pretending to be West Indians. Let us drill down our regional unity and remove the barriers that keep us trapped in small islandism.

Analysis:
Of the many Caricom and wider regional bodies, the university and cricket team aside, the one that will prove historically crucially important is the Caribbean Court of Justice. There are conflicting views as to the intellectual original of the CCJ. Some say that its roots are in the desire to break free of the Privy Council and its roots in an outdated and even oppressive historic colonialism. Others, however, while agreeing with the basic principles behind such a view, believe that the large numbers of people โ€“ mainly men โ€“ on death row throughout the Caricom region and the constant refusal of the Privy Council to endorse capital punishment was the main ideological driving force behind the decision to establish the CCJ. In other words, naked class prejudice. The CCJ should be adjudicating over fundamental points of law, constitutional matters and trade issues that threaten the cohesion of the regional body. The CCJ should be our regional Supreme Court or European Court of Justice, not a super high court. In other words, to appeal from the national Appeal Court should be restricted and then only to jurisdictions that accept the courtโ€™s judgements. In any case, to be a member or associate of Caricom all would-be members should be compelled to accept the judgements of the CCJ as a pre-condition and those pre-CCJ members should have to accept the reality of the new court or have its membership suspended. And, further, the should not be a court of first instance in cases such as the minor Myrie case, which should embarrass our legal big wigs, over and above the fact that as a nation we have chosen to ignore the courtโ€™s finding.

Policy Making and Regional Security:
Caricom has had a great opportunity, post the 2007/8 global financial crisis to assert itself and create a powerful regional financial regulatory body. It would have come up against enormous resistance from national governments and the less ethical business people, especially from the political leaders of those small island-states who would see any such expansion as removing an important part of their local power base and, politically, a step too far. Such narrow thinking is based on the view that it is better to be a big fish in a small pond, no matter how small the pond. The Clico Affair comes to mind as an example of an influential cross-border financial company which got in to trouble in nearly every jurisdiction in which it operated, yet the member-states of the regional body failed in every way to deal with it in a singular cross-border regulatory and supervisory way. The net outcome has been not only has it emphasised the organisational failure of Caricom, but it exposed the various weaknesses in the body politic and the administrative capabilities. After six years, Clico is yet to be resolved. But the public and diplomatic policy-making of Caricom, its regulatory and supervisory failures did not just end with Clico. We only have to look at the constant presence of the Canadian, US and British naval forces in the Caribbean sea on so-called drug patrol to see that we have failed even to secure our own territorial borders.

The so-called Regional Security System is farcical, not only in having a retired police officer as head of what passes as a military organisation, but its lack of a detailed policy further emphasises another regional weakness. Created as a policy poodle to Reaganโ€™s illegal invasion of Grenada, the RSS has been another of those regional burdens on Barbadian taxpayers for which the nation gets no obvious benefit. Why site the CCJ in Trinidad when Trinidad has declined to participate in the court, it is like going back to the West Indies Federation. As soon as the ship sprung a leak, as a result of the action of stowaway Bustamante, Captain Eric Williams was overboard.

Democratic Deficit:
Whatever the politics and lack of vision, the fundamental flaw with Caricom as presently constituted is its obvious democratic deficit. Despite its good intentions, this democratic deficit, which is unforgiveable in this day and age, impacts greatly in Barbados: an unelected constituency council, a parliament elected for a fixed five year term, an unelected Senate, and an unelected Caricom ministersโ€™ forum. There is no constitutional arrangement for the recall of ministers, no constitutional way of challenging Caricom policy decisions, no democratic intervention in any of its policies. We badly need a Caricom parliament so that the people who speak on behalf of the region are people elected by voters in the region.

Conclusion:
I cannot emphasise enough that in time, the CCJ will emerge as the most important of the regional institutions which Caricom has given birth to and its work load will be more on financial markets, treaties and trade regulations, than as a final appeal court for basic criminal matters, as a constitutional tribunal or even as a court of first instance for future Myrie cases. However, there is a greater constitutional reasoning, based on the global collapse of the Westphalian model of the nation-state and the rise of regional and global institutions to replace what independent constitutional jurisdictions previously assumed as a matter of course were their responsibility and theirs alone. Of the post-Second World War institutions, the three best known are the United Nations, and the Brettons Woods organisations, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. But a number of other organisations have emerged in recent years with enormous power and influence over the internal and external affairs of nations, from the World Trade Organisation, to the International Criminal Court. Other bodies such as some big and powerful non-governmental organisations have more influence and greater access to international bodies than most nation-states. Truth is that political debate in Barbados, and most of the other English-speaking Caribbean islands, is often based on mudslinging and yaboo politics, rather than around serious issues, therefore neither in the lead up to, or post constitutional years, have we had a national conversation about who we are and how we see ourselves in the future. There is a price to pay for this neglect. The reality is that social and economic policy across borders could, within a generation, lift the quality of life of the six million or so Caricom citizens to the level of Norway or New Zealand.

Take as another example, a simple Caricom-wide centralised procurement policy for goods and services bought from outside the region. Such an approach to medicines, certain foods and other commodities, the importation of world-class surgeons to carry out vital operations and other professional services, negotiated from a greater position of collective strength, can lead to massive savings which can then be used to provide additional services to Caricom citizens. On the other hand, having fifteen individual nations, of varying economic strengths, trying to negotiate individually with global commercial firms many of which often make higher quarterly returns than the entire budgets of those islands, will be a real financial Goliath versus a David. This time, however, the Biblical outcome may not be repeated.

Another obvious failing of Caricom is that of food security and the agricultural economy generally. Of the Caricom members, Guyana alone has more than enough land to feed Caricom and millions more. A nation that is bigger than England, with a population of about 750000, Greater Georgetown alone can easily fit all six million Caricom citizens in to its borders with room to spare. With a well-planned agricultural policy, of ground provisions, rice, cattle, and other essentials, along with its burgeoning shrimps industry, in food terms alone, Guyana is a nation waiting to explode. Then we have the citrus-producing islands – mainly Grenada, St Lucia and Dominica โ€“ which can meet all regional needs and more, with the surplus going towards the manufacturing of marmalades, jams and other assortments. The weakness is the collective failure of politicians to let go, to see the bigger picture of what real Caribbean unity โ€“ extending beyond the English-speaking islands โ€“ can mean in lifting our regional and hemispheric influence. It is a barrier to development based on the short-termism of todayโ€™s politicians rather than the long-term advantages of future generations.

Before I go, why do we have a โ€˜foreign ministerโ€™ in charge of Caricom affairs? Our neighbours, fellow members of the regional union, people who share in the main a history and culture with us are not โ€˜foreignโ€™ or, as the Americans call us, โ€˜aliensโ€™. The times when Caricom comes together, such as the discussion over reparation and the Air Passenger Duty, are in the main peripherally interesting, but not of any substantial importance. They do indicate, nevertheless, what deep regional unity can possibly achieve.

This analysis is in memory of the late Professor Norman Girvan.


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77 responses to “Notes From a Native Son: United we Stand, Divided We Fall – a Case for Greater Caricom Unity (In Memory of Norman Girvan)”

  1. jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    jeff Cumberbatch

    The CCJ did not act as “a court of first instance” in the Myrie matter, as you would have it. Under the Revised Treaty, the CCJ is the only competent forum to adjudicate on matters concerning the interpretation of the Treaty. The term “court of first instance” usually refers to a circumstance where there is a higher appellate body in existence. I do agree with some of your other sentiments, however.


  2. Good article.
    Girvan did also produce Towards a Single Development Vision; and any serious approach must go beyond agriculture and agro-processing and focus on ALL industries. Demas’ McGill phd dissertation talks about this.


  3. @Jeff Cumberbatch

    I stand corrected.


  4. @ Hal,
    Once we include Haiti the population of CARICOM member states doubles.


  5. There are synergies of affiliation that would lead to economic benefit however, unless there is a single currency similar to the EU, I just can’t imagine how another Caricom member would accept payment in Barbados dollars which is a currency with junk bond status and a highly suspicious value based on a fixed peg to the US$. If the Barbados dollar were unpegged and allowed to trade freely then there might be a workable mechanism. Keep in mind that many other Caricom members allow their currencies to trade freely. Currency valuation is a massive stumbling block to Caricom trade.


  6. @ William Skinner
    Thanks for reminding me of the place of Haiti in a wider Caricom. I deliberately left out Haiti because it raises all kinds of other quesations. The one that I find intriguing is that, I am sure as young people, we imported rice from Guyana and Haiti, now Haiti cannot even feed itself. As young people our mauby bark came from Barbados, now we import most of it from Haiti. So, you see, this is where the questions of food security and agricultural economics can take us.
    @ Sith

    You are also right. I am in favour of a Caricom federation. We failed in 1876 and again in 1962, but it is our future if we have any chance of surviving in this big bad world.
    A single currency, a region-wide government with national governments carrying out basic functions: social services, street lighting, planning, etc. and constituency councils performing mutual functions.
    But this is dwindling in the wind. Do you expect this generation of power-crazed politicians to give up such power? Remember Bustamante and Eric Williams. This generation is even more regionally or internationally averse.


  7. Hal Austin “We failed in 1876 and again in 1962,”

    Any attempt to create a “Caricom Federation” will fail.

    The best you can hope for is mutually beneficial and fair Trade agreements among Caribbean countries.

    The late Errol Barrow explained in detail the strengths of each Caribbean country and how they could be developed for the benefit of all Caribbean people and negate the dependence on the rest of the world for most of the things we consume.

    Some of you would have heard this when he spoke at a mass meeting in the 70s.


  8. Well said Hants.
    What CARICOM Federation what?!?
    …any such thought – post 1980, is pure time wasting and pointless wishful thinking.

    @ Seth
    Not only would a single currency be needed, but ALSO (and more critically) a single over-riding GOVERNMENT, ARMY customs/immigration policy and police force…….This is about as likely as The Barbados Government building and running a waste to energy plant.


  9. @ Bushie
    I disagree with you! Integration could happen when we get back were we are going rapidly – slavery! LOL


  10. Pacha……most people are not taking seriously the mischief that is always being devised by the buckingham palace crowd, and have been for centuries, to maintain their way of life, control and survival……ya think those pimp titles were just given to the most vulnerable blacks because someone in England liked them, this is a well thought out devious plan that is meant to work, the only fly in the ointment right now is the threat of reparations lawsuits that has everyone’s antenna up and watching what wicked shit is being planned so that the ‘elites’ of the world can once again capitalize massively using the most gullible race on earth…..the black race.


  11. divided we stand:united we fall


  12. @ Hal
    As far back as 1973/74, Eric Williams proposed a Caribbean Food Plan. He was prepared to use Trinidad’s oil revenue to finance it. As he put it the oil revenue from T&T would have been the fertilizer. The plan got no where. Reading Eric Williams’ speeches will show that he determined decades ago that our economic problems were externally driven. It is still the case today.


  13. @William Skinner
    We have become too dependent on hand-outs. Where is the leadership going to come from? Pleading for reparations? Begging the Chinese? Or going to the Arabs?
    What about all that money we have spend over the last 50 years on educating our future leaders? Where are they?
    We have to look at ourselves at some point rather than continue blaming the European and American capitalists.


  14. Which islands in the Caribbean with a floating currency that is appreciable performing better than Barbados?

    Governor Worrell in tbe video a couple blogs below rules out a single currency. In fact the experts opine Bushie a single currency is not a requirement for a common market, just check tbe EU.


  15. @ David
    I think your EU example is a bad one – and a good one. It is bad because the major currency outside the eurozone is the UK, but it does most of its trade in the EU; in other words, it gets the benefits but misses out on the obvious pain. However, UK banks have a bigger exposure to eu debt than any single eurozone nation, including Germany.
    A more significant point is that the world experience enormous prosperity in the 30 years between the end of the second world war and 1975, the Middle Eastern oil crisis – which gave birth to the central bank, by the way.
    During those years we in the Caribbean underperformed. Our greatest achievement was exporting people, first to the UK, then to the US and Canada.
    In the years leading up to the global banking crisis of 2008/9, when the global economy grew at the fastest rate in human history, Barbados was enjoying what Marion Williams, in a moment of madness, called our first world status.
    At the time I remember appearing on the BBC Caribbean Service with a leading Bajan banker – I would not call his name so as not to embarrass him – who was preaching that the global crisis did not affect Barbados. I almost collapsed in horror.
    In fact, as I and others said at the time, it was prosperity on debt – we were mortgaging the nation’s future. The chickens have come home to roost.
    David, we are still there and the nonsense being talked by our policymakers and academics is simply misleading the nation.
    After six years, not a single one of them has a single good idea for rescuing the nation’s economy.
    We need new ideas and new voices. Not the old tired ones. Dr Worrell has nothing new to say to the Barbadian people, nor even to convince Chris Sinclair.


  16. @Hal

    It is interesting Sir Frank is less vocal, silent even, and Governor Worrell is leading the charge. Should this be? Isn’t the MoF be the one leading the narrative about fiscal and monetary business?


  17. @David
    In theory, Dr Worrell is just an adviser, the person in the driving seat is Chris Sinckler. ‘Professor’ Alleyne, who I am sure is a brilliant mind, gives me the impression that the post-1980s international economic debates passed him by. Since 2008, it has moved on even more.
    by the way, I highly recommend a new book, Capital in the Twenty-first Century, by Thomas Piketty. It is about a subject never discussed in Barbadian politics, inequality.


  18. Thanks for the recommendation, will add to library.

    The word on the street is that the young guns have moderate respect for Worrell and Alleyne.

    Any thoughts on Jamaica’s decision to tax bank withdrawals as a means to help narrow the deficit? Is it an approach we should mirror in Barbados? One constant in the Barbados landscape is the pool of savings which Barbadians have demonstrated mild inclination to invest in startup enterprises. The non Blacks have shown qn opposite behaviour.


  19. @ David
    The policy has a lot going for it, but it can backfire. It is similar to what the Cypriots did last year. But they were dealing with Russians who had invested more than half GDP. In Jamaica they must be careful they are not doubling and triple taxing poor people. Already in Jamaica ordinary people are so hard up they buy bread by the slice.
    In Barbados our problems are more one of deluding ourselves that we have as better performing economy than we really have.
    most people in jobs are on the public payroll, a classic Ponzi economy – you work for the public sector, get paid (if you are lucky), pay taxes, which then go to pay your next wage, and so it goes on. Occasionally the government defaults.
    Postmen not being paid, some teachers not being paid, some pensioners cannot get their pensions. It is rule by fraud.
    We must stop the tourism industry paying for itself; introduce a graduate tax, spend the Bds$100m that the Samuel Jackman Prescod Poly spends and we do not know where that money is going.
    Give Myrie, Barrack and C\OW Williams and others a drawdown facility at the central bank, create a new balance sheet bank to fund small business, introduce a higher capital reserve on the foreign-owned banks, and carry out a detailed forensic stress test of insurance companies before tighter controls. Get rid of the Defence Force, stop paying members of the constituency councils, ban life-long pensions for politicians and the governor general.
    Then, finally, off load the hotels, Transport Board, the 49 per cent equity in LIAT, and the government’s massive land bank.
    These are just for starters. No recovery without pain.


  20. @Hal

    That is a mouthful.

    Public transport has a public good component we are told?

    We have several government agencies charged with funding small business and startups. What will make another government entity do the job better?

    Laying land what do you mean? Land use must be carfully managed under a relevant physical development plan.

    Agree we have to find ways of shedding liabilites but by creating more debt?

    In your last comment it is difficult to see forex generating opportunities.


  21. @ David
    We need public transport, but this does not have to be controlled by central government; the role of banks is to lend to households and businesses, let them do it; the govt has the biggest land bank in the country, they should get on with planning and leave land ownership to households and businesses. I fundamentally believe that freehold should be owned by the state with households and small businesses having long leases of varying lengths.
    All debt is not bad; debt that will benefit future generations is generally good ie infrastructural debt.
    Forget the mantra of foreign exchange. Leave that to people like Worrell and Alleyne.
    Once Barbados becomes a country that believes in the rule of law, where the institutions and services work, where their is a good quality of life, then visitors will flock to the country.
    It is a question of the chicken or the egg – which comes first? We will get the foreign exchange when we develop good and services for export, tourists will visit and we will be more prosperous as a nation.

  22. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926 TO 2014 , MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS OF BARBADOS, BLPand DLP=Massive Fruad Avatar
    PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926 TO 2014 , MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS OF BARBADOS, BLPand DLP=Massive Fruad

    United we Stand in Fraud / Divided We Fall in Justice / a Case for Greater Caricom Unity (In Memory of Norman Girvan)?

    Nothing to say about the man , But we sure when the Truth comes out we will know who was who, There will be a lot of paper and ink used to remove and re-write the the Books for the Caribbean ,


  23. Get rid of the Defence Force, stop paying members of the constituency councils, ban life-long pensions for politicians and the governor general.
    Then, finally, off load the hotels, Transport Board, the 49 per cent equity in LIAT, and the governmentโ€™s massive land bank.

    These are just for starters. No recovery without pain.

    All will involve Job Losses !
    Integrate the Defence Force is a better option
    JAIL THE CABINET


  24. Hal

    “Get rid of the Defence Force”

    (1) If we get rid of the Defence Force, how would we provide for the security of the Barbados?

    (2) I certainty hope that your not expecting people of Barbados to relying on the Royal Barbados Police Force for they security?

    (3) And without the Harbor Police Force, who would protect our coastal borders?

    And finally, I saw the police and Defence Force, combined operations to flushed out Buddy Brathwaite and Mark Young, when these two criminals were terrorized Barbados. We need the Defence Force, even though it provides a false sense of security.


  25. The defense force is necessary when Trinidad invades the country and takes over all major businesses…oh oh … That already happened… Not a shot fired . Al Is well.


  26. @ Hal , you asked:What about all that money we have spend over the last 50 years on educating our future leaders? Where are they?
    Well certainly not to solve problems or produce thinkers. We produced lawyers and parrot-economists steeped in out dated economic theories. I have made the point that there can be no meaningful restructuring without a radical reform of the education system. I have told people that when I left Bay Primary Boys School in the 60’s , I was properly prepared for a job and what the society offered then. Three or four O’levels was guaranteed employment. That system worked up to the mid-seventies. If we are still educating people for that Barbados , we simply would not make it because that Barbados no longer exists. Public discourse has been hijacked by the new affluent upper class that now control things in concord with the corporate ruling class. Until we have independent non-partisan citizens involved, our society will continue to deteriorate. Sometimes when I see our children going to school I am forced to ask myself : What is school doing for them and their future. If they are in the same system we were in in the 60’s , there really is no hope.
    As for UWI.and all those who got into the most prestigious grammar schools and so on; all I can say is that very few have returned to give thanks. They are some of the biggest parasites i know outside of the love vine that takes over peoples’ yards. To put it mildly, this is Barrowbados, he was the architect of most of the calamities that now befall us. He destroyed all the radicals and single handedly put a stop to independent views and discourse by the use of the public order act which was instituted to make white bajans feel comfortable and secure. Public opinion has not been the same since.


  27. Has anyone calculated the % of business Trinidadian companies control in Barbados . Ansa Mcal ( Brydens, Amstrong , Conolidated Finance , Mc anerneys , Quality Motors , Trimart and more)
    Super centre,Knights ltd , SBI distribution owned by Trinis. Almost everything we eat is imported , distributed, and sold by Trinidadian companies. While we Bajans talk talk talk.Trinis buy buy buy . Our government does nothing to protect us from this… In fact our Barbados National Bank was sold to Trinis! What a disgrace!


  28. @Carl Moore

    BU and others read the bullshite you were quoted in the media today. Whether you or the dinosaurs like you want to accept it or not technology has given rise to citizen journalism as way to claw back people power.

    Live with it!

    http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/no-to-citizen-journalism/


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  30. Hal

    If we rid Barbados of the Defence-Force, as you have suggested here. Who would we then depend on to at least sustain a meaningful resistance, if and when an internal or external foe decides that Barbados is easy for the taken?
    And, moreover, It is apparent from your article that you do not believe that a military force, is essential to the security of a democratic state? Now, I am questioning you academic stance, but I just want ascertain your reasoning behind this suggestion.


  31. Simple, internal security is the job of the police and external, protection of our borders is principally the responsibility of the Coastguard. A volunteer force will be the backup.
    What we do not want is a militarised police force a la the US. Get rid of the so-called special squads and put police in uniforms and walking on the streets.
    The police are part of the community, not its enemies.


  32. @ David
    I am afraid I am on Carl Moore’s side on this argument. I think so-called citizens journalists is a contradiction in terms.
    The key to journalism is skill, serving an apprenticeship. Because you have a mobile phone does not make you a photographer, equally because you have a CXC in English does not make you a journalist.
    I am a supporter of the democratisation of journalism, and BU does a splendid job in this, but to mistake it as a stream in conventional journalism is a mistake.
    This discussion takes me back a couple years to my participation in a workshop at a well known journalism think-tank, a debate that took up days.
    Most of us eventually came down against citizens’ journalism.
    By the way, I have enormous professional respect for Carl. Not only do I consider him one of he best journalists in Barbados, of those practising at present, I think he is the best.


  33. @Hal

    Agree with you and Dr. Don Marshall has been promoting the doing away of a defense force fir years. We all witnessed how the Grenada Defense Force reacted in the face of an external threat anyway.

    Joke!!!


  34. @Hal

    The mistake you and Moore are doing is to compare conventional and citizen journalism. All over the world the establishment is showing itself to be corrupt and vulnerable to penentration by deep pockets. Like water finding a level the voice of the people is using the ubiquitious access to the Internet to give weight to people advocacy. Where there is a vacuum something will fill it.

  35. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    I SUPPOSE THAT WRITING LOTS OF BE ON A WEEKLY BASIS MAKES ONE A JOURNALIST.
    ARE YOU A JOURNALIST DAVID?


  36. @ David
    You are talking about the competency of journalists. If there is corruption it is the job of good journalists to expose it – but within the law.
    There is no tradition of investigative journalism in Barbados. I can fully understand that in a small pool – two print titles, one television and a couple digital publications – career journalists have to tip toe. But is not a criticism, just an observation.
    You must also consider the culture in which the media operate. One frequent remark that brings a smile to my face is the BBC calling print and broadcast media in other countries ‘government controlled.’
    Of course, with nearly 25000 staff, the BBC is the biggest government controlled broadcaster in the world.
    The difference is that the BBC Trust gives the appearance of being hands off. This does not fool anyone.


  37. @Hal

    Have no problem with last comment but BU’s concern is targeted at the media houses for not building out a vibrant umbrella structure which would help to stave off the tenacles of minipulation from whereever is comes. We rely too much on the integrity of indivuals and not the integrity of the profession supported by code of ethics.


  38. Name one Bajan “journalist” who could do something like this in Barbados with the backing of her bosses.
    Expose a politician in the mainstream media and then write a book about it.

    http://www.cbc.ca/books/2014/02/toronto-reporter-tells-rob-fords-story.html


  39. David

    David, your referenced to that one instance in Grenada, doesn’t in any meaningful way supports the case for the dismantling of the Defence Force.

    What about the instance where the Defence Force was deployed to St Vincent, back in the 80’s to quelled a possible uprising.

    Your then PM Tom Adams, saw the Need for the Defence Force because he was the leading Caribbean preponent of Reagan’s imperialist policies during the Grenade- Intervention.


  40. @ Hants

    Not ONE!

    Do you know the number of journalists in Barbados who ask and get favors from corporate Barbados?

    On Saturday, 26 April 2014, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  41. Carl and Hal may not like citizen journalism but there is nothing anyone or any government can do to stop it.
    Cell phones with cameras are as common as a ball point pen.

    I don’t like it either because I can’t lie about the size of the fish I catch. Everyone wants to see a picture as proof. lol


  42. David

    A conservative ideology calls for a strong national defense, and this obviously, undermines the pseudo conservative values the BLP tries to project. Adams, entire tenure was laced with the militarization of Barbados. Some I do not fully understand how you could event suggested that the Defence Force be disbanded?


  43. @Hants

    There is a role for the blogosphere to play and we see the benefit of it in Barbados where those in traditional media have had to sit up and sharpen their pencils. Yes it is not perfect but it is not a perfect world. Moore is within his right to condemn citizen journalism and IGNORE why it has taken root. What if we were to advise him of journalists who use the blogosphere to post stories which traditional media will leave on the editorial floor because they are worried about offending advertisers?

    Jokes!

    On Saturday, 26 April 2014, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  44. David

    Talk about yard fowl …. Adams was the Biggest American yard fowl the island of Barbados has seen thus far. And what has happened to the Caribbean Basin Initiative David? This was a gifted from Reagan to Adams for allowing the US Millitay to destroyed the newly constructed airport at the time.


  45. Anyone who thinks that there is no MAJOR role for citizen journalists….or that Carl Moore is anything more than Ossie Moore’s lesser known cousin, probably also thinks that Bushie was born recently.
    What the hell is a journalist anyhow? …someone who, as a means of feeding his family, is forced to find some shiite to write each and every week…?
    Chances are much greater that a ‘citizen journalist’ will write when there is something important to be said…..instead of because the deadline is near…

    …but then Hal….you are a professional journalist nuh….?
    Oops!!


  46. @Bush Tea

    We get the point that profession journalists are to bring standards and rigour to the business of reportage BUT a citizen journalist is NOT a traditional journalist. What is so difficult for these guts to understand? Instead of criticizing they need to leverage what has emerged for the good of all. We are some jackasses indeed. There, a professional journalist would not have been so expressive.

    http://m.hrw.org/news/2014/04/24/russia-veto-law-restrict-online-freedom

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  47. Hants

    It has little to do with being a citizen journalist and more to do with the DUTY and RESPONSIBLE of a citizen to report an obvious wrong/ injustice.


  48. @David
    Keep it close to the crease. Let the donkeys bray while you continue your calling.

    Those who are against “citizen journalism” know why. Philosophically speaking they will forever be constrained, limited and struggling to understand that all are the same as one…now is not what it was and that more (or moore) is the same as less.

    Thanks for the outlet.

    Just observing.


  49. Thanks Observing, they do their best not to mention BU and other blogs BUT they are logged on 24/7. Damb hypocrites!

    BU is approaching another phase and based on the support we get from our base we will go where we need to go. The next months will make the difference. The mouthings of people like Moore stoke our motivation.

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