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Submitted by William Skinner
Peter Wickham political scientist ‘...gets almost all his polls right and has only missed one big one here...’
Peter Wickham ‘…gets almost all his polls right and has only missed one big one here…’

At some point, an individual has to look at life and determine whether it is going the direction he or she would want it to. Countries must do the same. As I survey the political scene and pay rapt attention to the rapidly decaying socio – political environment, I am forced to ask myself if Barbadians are really serious about the direction the country is taking.

It is obvious to all objective citizens that the country is in turmoil as it transitions from the quaint little village to the world stage. A stage for which it failed to prepare. Hal Austin, a regular contributor to this blog, got it right sometime ago, when he opined, that we were perhaps fooled by the praise that we constantly heaped upon ourselves and that which others gave us. We were told by the world’s top diplomat that we were “punching above our weight”. We bestowed the title great economist on former Prime Minister Owen Arthur. We declared Errol Barrow the father of the nation. We have thrown about the word brilliant with great carelessness. For example, Leader of the Opposition Mia Mottley has been accused of being brilliant! We are a people who declared we had the best of everything: the best education system; the best roads; the best hospital; the best schools and of course a literacy rate of 97% percent.

The irony of the situation is that all of the above is very true when we look at other Caribbean islands. Anybody visiting our sister islands would have to agree that Barbados does have the best schools in terms of construction; the best roads although ours are in a state of disrepair in many cases; the best hospital of any that is used by the entire public, never mind we cannot get the accident and emergency department to function properly and of course we are rather literate. We have Cave Hill producing graduates on par with any of our neighbours; never mind employers say that some of our graduates cannot understand basic arithmetic and English. So what am I complaining or criticizing? Well, we have all these positives and yet we seem very determined to turn them all into negatives. Almost forgot, we have the best public transportation system although we can never make it profitable and our rolling stock is hitting the road with bumpers and fenders missing. Of course the failure to maintain the buses ensures that about 30 or 40per cent are either parked waiting for parts or have been forced to early vehicle graves by bad driving habits.

I now come to our incredible democracy. Every five or so years, we enjoy three weeks of hectic campaigning. And yes, once again, we can brag that it is probably the most incident free elections anywhere in the world. Nobody gets killed. I think a few decades back, Muhammad Nasser got cut with a bottle throwing thing but I don’t think that it ever made court. No problem. Gone are the days of the half bottle of rum and a few soda/eclipse biscuits with our treasured corn beef. We have transitioned to giving the voters: lap tops, iPods, top end cell phones and Sir Grantley’s image looms large in hands and pockets. According to our dithering, Charlie Chaplin (Silent Movies) Prime Minister, Mr. Freundel Stewart, he actually saw money passing during the last elections. Imagine the Prime Minister witnessing crimes in broad daylight and not one report to the police. Not one arrest. What a crime free democracy!

No more under forties debating the pros and cons of independence; no more exceptional grass roots politicians such as: Lionel Weeks, and Lloyd Smith. Not a Mencea Cox or Ronald Map. No Neville Boxills in site. Oh no, those guys use to throw the occasional jab but talk about policies and were close to their constituents. Even a very well educated fellow like Frederick “sleepy “Smith was down to earth. And according to a young man, whom I have great respect for, Mr.Peter Wickham, that particular breed has no place in his modern Barbados political make up. As far as he is concerned Hamilton Lashley was the last of that ilk. Sad thing, Wickham may be right!

Well, Wickham represents the new breed, armed with a university education and a profession grounded in political science and polling. He is a highly sought after political scientist. He gets almost all his polls right and has only missed one big one here- the very last one when Charlie Chaplin overcame all the fancy sound effects! Maybe if there were more of the above mentioned grassroots politicians, his polls would be more accurate because people back then were a bit more genuine.Oops…

Allow me to close with our esteemed labor movement. In the current debacle regarding the severing of 3000 according to the DLP or soon to be at least 10,000 workers according to the BLP, the unions find themselves out to sea. They are suggesting policies after the so-called Minister of Finance; Mr. Chris Sinkler has enunciated the policy on the floor of the house. I say so –called because Mr. David Estwick is apparently acting as Minister of Finance today (Thursday 12th. Feb 2014) when he presents his own personal views to cabinet to rescue the economy. Just like the unions, he is presenting policies to stop retrenchment of workers AFTER the retrenchment has commenced. Brilliant!

So the workers are left to another regular contributor of this blog, Caswell Franklyn, to defend them while their president runs up cell phone bills in the thousands. Now I don’t know much about wages in our public sector but I seriously believe that $6000 could have kept one of those workers on the pay roll for quite a few weeks or even six months. But the NUPW does not have that kind of strike fund. Modern unions have: Excessive Use of Cell Phones by Presidents Funds! I digress. The workers voice is now Caswell. Now I have quoted, to support my little contribution, two regular contributors to this blog: Caswell Franklyn and Hal Austin. Note I have not attempted to big up anybody from the mainstream press because the problem we have, is that mainstream Barbados, has crashed like mainstream Wall Street and that caused all the confusion.

Stay way from mainstream Barbados thinking and we may just survive this crisis. And a great shout out to Pachamama. Thanks for BU. Sometimes a nation (newspaper) has to take a look at itself.


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247 responses to “Barbados at the Crossroads”


  1. @ Robert Ross
    Ross, without the concept of God or Higher Power or whatever you choose to call it, there isn’t any moral standard upon which to standard. Emanuel Kant calls it the Categorical- Imperative; the universal understanding of Right and Wrong which stretches across countries, nations, and cultures!


  2. @ Fenty
    Take your own advice and do not engage in this philosophical debate with Ross….. Please!


  3. Pac

    The question which as usual you conveniently avoided is why did the DLP continue to hire people and have to borrow pension money to pay them. This is where your credibility as bucketed to zero.


  4. @ ac
    “no i would not say that however i would say that if measures were put in place to tackle that problem going back to2001 govt would not have been at a crossroad having to decide between society and economy”

    Are you daft? The real point is, against the background that nothing was done to tackle the problem in 2001, on coming into office in 2008 the DLP did nothing about the problem either. Instead, they added to the excess by employing hundreds, and even hundreds more, prior to the 2013 elections.


  5. Fractured BLP

    Oh dear…you fellas are something else.

    LOOK

    Keep your politics with your boy at St Luke’s. Now naff off and go do something useful – read the Official Secrets Act maybe..

    Fenty

    Forgive me – I know this is a subject you’re interested in but maybe some other time, some other post. The dear oid man-in-the-sky can wait. But just a thought – where there is love all else falls into place. And if THAT is God so be it. I’ll leave it there.

    Bush Tea

    You really are old enough to know better. But I suppose it’s your dotage so I must forgive you – and 70 x 7 too.


  6. @ David
    Why Carl Moore ?


  7. @Bush Tea
    Mr. Bush Tea Esq…..talk about bias

    +++++++++++
    I would normally overlook this mistake but since you are the “sage” of BT and many cling to your every word, the following is to prevent others from making the same error.

    The use of the courtesy title Mr. should never be followed by the professional designation of Esq. (short for Esquire); I learned that in third form at the school for fools.

    Kudos to Mr. Blades (another graduate of the school for fools) wherever you are.


  8. So what is your point.. a baton of indecisivness was handed to a new govt….my question to you would it be have been prudent for govt to implement measures to tackle the economy solely on the backs of civil servants in a hostile economic enviroment or implement alternatives measures like vat .one seem to forget that one of the first order of business was the increase in Vat which for a while had stabize the economy..


  9. @Surprised

    Carl Moore is known to run BU ragged about our use of monikers. His beloved Nation newspaper is no different it seems.


  10. You boys are surpassing yourselves.

    You know something. Not being a member of any political party, I had no idea who was what amongst the clergy. In fact I never thought about it. The Rogers sermon came as a shock which was why I wrote. But then Gabriel said some while ago that Marshall at the Cathedral was also DLP – so I was being naïve.

    So I write a letter. That’s my business. The letter was making a point. It was NOT political. Indeed it chided the intrusion of party politics into the pulpit. The fella from St Mathias had already said as much.

    SO OK – you don’t agree. Write and say you disagree. That’s your right in a democracy just as it is MY right to express myself. I DON”T have to answer to any of you HERE though I have in fact given you that level of respect..

    Now: Balance says categorically (as I read him) that Rogers is a DLP supporter. There was therefore EVERY justification in what I wrote.

    But then from the woodwork come the DLP party maggots and attack me, not on any theological ground, but solely to protect Rogers at all costs. So as I said to Bush Tea right at the start – his attack on me was so virulent that what I said must have some truth in it .

    Bush Tea is a different case. I am yet to hear him quote St Paul’s injunction, which I quoted and which might have justified him, that ‘If you don’t work you won’t eat’. So I conclude, since he started this off, that he has a special interest.

    SO MY BRAVE BOYS – BRING IT ON.


  11. ac
    “no i would not say that however i would say that if measures were put in place to tackle that problem going back to2001 govt would not have been at a crossroad having to decide between society and economy”

    AC WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? CAN’T YOU GET IN YOUR THICK SKULL THAT DR ESTWICK, MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE AND FORMER MINISTER OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS ANNOUNCED FOR ALL TO HEAR AND SEE EXCEPT YOU IT SEEMS THAT GOVT’S ERRORS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESENHT ECONOMIC CRISIS.


  12. @ ac

    “a baton of indecisiveness was handed to a new govt…”

    Are you serious??? Did you really wrote that statement??? Do you actually know the meaning of indecisiveness??? I do not think so!!

    Frundel Stuart epitomizes indecisiveness…… he procrastinates… slow to make decisions; slow to talk on issues affecting the citizens of Barbados and the islands as a whole.

    You are incapable of being rational and like your DLP colleagues, continue to blame the BLP for everything under the sun.
    It has gone to the extent where I heard the idiot known as “Ms. Undecided” telling propagandist Maureen Holder that the BLP was responsible for the tremors Barbados experienced a few days ago… Holder’s reply that God was watching can be interpreted as she agreed with the caller.

    My friend, it appears to me you can only see in one direction. As such, exchanging view-points with you rationally will be a futile and tiresome exercise.


  13. Is Maureen Holder being paid with tax dollars?


  14. LOL
    Licks in Ross’s tail like fire…. Ha Ha Ha

    …so can we take it from your last missive that:
    1- you are admitting that you had no case to jump to conclusions and to attack the rev
    2- ..that you are indeed a traitor to have run to the Nation in an attempt(unsuccessful) to hide from the BU licks
    3- that you have dishonestly portrayed yourself to be one “Robert Ross” to the Nation – in clear breech of Ossie Moore’s cousin’s sacred oath
    4- that you actually listen to rumors and speculation about who is a ‘B’ and who is a ‘D’ and act accordingly
    …and
    5- that you are still smarting from the licks inflicted by the Bushman for your sins as outlined above….
    Consider yourself chastened and forgiven Bob…. 🙂

    LOL
    Next time send the letter from your cousin Richard Ross ya joke….
    You are almost as bad as ac. She wrote to the Nation and give them her REAL name…..and then submitted the kind of drivel that ONLY our ac can conceivably write….. LOL Ha Ha


  15. BT

    LOL. I continue to forgive your total idiocy. It goes with the bath chair.


  16. …. don’t throw out the baby with the bath chair

    No, it is something else.

    Don’t throw out BT with the bath chair

    …. nope, still not quite right.

    What was it now?

    Getting old!!


  17. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jameshenry/2013/12/18/postcard-from-barbados-a-k-a-cyprus-west-part-i-the-cure/

    This country, Barbados isn’t going anywhere. Barbados, according to Forbes is “on its knees”. It’s a mess down there. It’s just a mess. The S&P and Moody’s says so. There are lots of theft there too, The United Nations (UN) says it.


  18. Let’s all face some facts/truth: Nation newspaper BLP
    Advocate: DLP ; CBC: BLP when in office; DLP when in office. Its amazing how supporters of both the BLP and DLP cannot be objective at any given time.
    There is not one objective/independent political journalist in our island. Pot calling kettle black. Hypocrisy rampant.


  19. Thanks for your forgiveness Ross.
    …. but Bushie admits to being an old (but NOT cold), doltish, idiot – who couldn’t care less bout wunna economy or wunna government…..or wunna politics….
    Bushie is here to spread some salt and do some bush whacking from time to time….by promoting the TRUTH and by highlighting brass bowlery on BU…

    Woe betide any slugs or snails who can’t stand salt ….and any rabble, snakes or worms that get in the path of Bushie’s whacker LOL

    Bushie go lawn dem down wrrrrrmmmm Wrmmmmm 🙂


  20. Bush Tea

    I am happy for you. It is always nice to feel validated even if it’s only the mirror talking. Now since I’m having a quiet morning – and besides I work late into the night – let me remind you of what poor Fractured BLP said of me. He said that my ongoing rant against the established religion order, its Church and its priests, demonstrated that I was a sorry human being.

    NOW – can you think of anyone else who did as I do? He’s very much the ghost at the feast in all this. (But then, yes, look what they did to him.) Which is why I say “S and Ph…HYPOCRITES.” And just to show I’m not suffering delusions of grandeur, let me add “Mother Phukrs”.


  21. Are u out of your cotton picking mind wt fuk BT are you talking about spreading lies and propaganda ur backside need to be troched..what nation i write to ………


  22. Why u balance firing away andgetting so defensive it is TRUTH in my comments all u can do is disagree…and no magic wand going to fix it…a tree does not grow from the top down it needs a root and the root of barbados economic problems are inheritantly systematic of failed policies over the years……


  23. Jack Bowman…………I had to agree with you on that post, but people are really sensitive when you speak about misleading cultural practices, thought they kill, so you may not get many believers although you are right.


  24. Should read:

    Though they kill

    Can anyone tell why AC continually lives and revives 2001 when we are closer to 3001, that is kinda obsessive.


  25. @ David

    “Is Maureen Holder being paid with tax dollars?”

    You better believe it. You should have heard her on Tuesday Feb 18, 2014 edition of “Talk ya talk”.


  26. Mark Fenty corrects Robert Ross on February 20, 2014 at 6:56 AM:

    “Ross, without the concept of God or Higher Power or whatever you choose to call it, there isn’t any moral standard upon which to standard [sic]. Emanuel Kant calls it the Categorical- Imperative; the universal understanding of Right and Wrong which stretches across countries, nations, and cultures!”

    I think you might be misreading Kant on that one, Mr. Fenty. And in any case, if memory serves, the man was writing at some point in the late 1700s. Quite a lot has happened since then, as you might have noticed.

    I’ve seen this argument before a million times, this idea that there is no morality without god, and I’ve never understood it. I’ve never understood why people keep trotting it out as if it’s some irrefutable rebuttal of any objection to the existence of a guy in the sky.

    It seems inescapably obvious that there are sound evolutionary reasons to act in a way that we would now call “moral”. That’s to say, you increase your chances of survival and comfort if you don’t act like a dick. This has nothing to do with a guy in the sky or with a belief in a guy in the sky.

    Let’s take a hypothetical, though it’s a hypothetical that probably happened at some point. It might have happened a lot. Really a lot.

    Let’s say, Mr. Fenty, that you and I and our neighbours are hunter-gatherers on the Iberian central plateau before we have written language. We’re eating wild berries and we’re starting to domesticate some crops but we spend a lot of our days hunting wild boar. We’re all living together in a cavern system. It takes a lot of effort to hunt and kill a boar, and then bring it back to the cavern. You burn a lot of calories doing it, and you need a net gain in calories so that you can live till the next day to kill the next boar. It’s better if you have a team. So you and I and a few boys from the block/cavern go out a-huntin’.

    Now, if we all bring down this boar, and kill it, and then suddenly you sling it across your shoulders and sprint off into the forest to eat it alone, the boys from the block and I are going to be pretty pissed off. We don’t have written language and our speech is fairly rudimentary, but we know when we’re pissed off. Maybe we’ll try to kill you. For certain we will shun you, at the very least. Shunning and banning are some of the oldest customs known to humankind. This is proven. If we kick you out of the cave, you’re on your own. And your prospects of survival just plummeted dramatically.

    Every single known human group, wherever it has sprung up, has tried to form a community. If you act like an uncooperative dick (what today we’d call “immoral conduct”), we’ll kick you out of the community and you will probably die as a direct result. It is better for you not to act like a dick. You don’t need a guy in the sky to tell you this. You just need a survival instinct.

    Fast forward many years. Let’s go to the Bronze Age. Specifically, the Bronze Age in north-eastern Africa, just as it divides from what we now call the Middle East. Moses goes up the hill and talks to the flaming shrub, comes back down the hill with The Rules. Do you really think, Mr. Fenty, that Big Moze’s people had spent the previous forty years a-killin’ and a-rapin’ each other at random, because they didn’t have The Rules?

    Let me help. No, they hadn’t. Not at all. It is an inevitable consequence of forming a community that the community will form rules. Again, nothing to do with a sky-guy. If I’ve got a flock of goats that sustains my family, and you come and steal one of them, I can’t just let that go. If I let it go today, maybe tomorrow you’ll come and steal two goats. That’s a no-no. So I’ll be heading over to your tent with my brothers and sons, intent on killing you. Thou shalt not steal. I don’t need a sky-guy to tell me that, and neither do you.

    Your nephew comes over to my tent and somehow traumatizes my daughter (let’s not get into details), then my brothers and I are visiting you again, and especially the nephew. We’re coming over to his tent mob-handed. Your nephew somehow causes dreadful harm to my daughter? Then the nephew is paying a price. Don’t need a sky-guy to tell me that violence against my daughter is really bad news.

    The chat between Big Moze and the flaming shrub did not invent modern morality as sourced from a guy in the sky. On the contrary, it simply codified common-sense stuff that everybody already understood. If you transgress the boundaries of our little civilization, then you will be put beyond those boundaries for ever, either because you’re shunned (in which case you’ll probably die) or because you’re in the ground (in which case you’re already dead). No awesome guy in the sky has to dictate this. Survivability (the true “categorical imperative”) of humankind since time immemorial, dictates that it’s better not to act like a dick. No sky-god. Just common sense.


  27. For Shame!!!

    Jeff Broomes and Matthew Farley castigated for trying to implement some discipline in the schools.

    Now, two children gruesomely injured in schools under the careless lack of responsibility by the Ministry of Education and lackluster NO-Balls leaders.

    THIS is what we have come to.

    A bunch of namby-pamby wannbees who cant ensure that our children are safe in schools.

    Awful!!! Just because no one has the BALLS to address the issue, and those who do, like the gentlemen mentioned above, are drawn and quartered at the hands of mediocrity.


  28. By the way, it is imperative to put a Policeman and Policewoman in every secondary school, until this issue is addressed.

    But I doubt that the ‘leaders’ (as some of you all find suitable to call them), will have the commonsense to do so.

    Jokers.

  29. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Jack Bowman | February 20, 2014 at 2:32 PM |

    Cogently argued.

    J B, for once the miller has your back. Respect, Bro!

    We like you when you are in such an intellectually high mood. Keep smoking whatever you are on.


  30. Wait a black minister of a white mans church started because Henry 8th liked head, is acting like the arch bishop of Canterbury, getting involved in politics. and BT is sticking up for the white british religion. I go to work and come home to the twilight Zone.


  31. There’s been little comment on Estwick’s brainchild sinking fund to be floated with Arab money. Why is this so?

    The news reported Mia Motley was on hand for the Pit Bull’s launch of new water mains. Make’s you go hmmmm.. What was Mottley doing there is it connected to Estwick’s next political move? Douglas Skeete the BLP accountant rubbished Estwick’s proposal . No one has put their hand up to defend it.. The PM said GOB will not flip flop and there’s been no uptake by the social partners not even the anarchists and loafers pretending to be economists at Uwee Estwick is on his own if you don’t count Taan Abed. His trump card is the seat division in the House and he knows it. What is Estwick’s next move he’s already threatened the PM and Cabinet with an ultimatum. He’s already broken every rule and convention of Cabinet government. Estwick is going for broke. He most likely will leave the Dems when his sinking fund proposal is rejected. So we can look for him to sit as an independent or more than likely join the opposition. Remember Mottley is now appears at Estwick’s photo opportunities. Don’t be surprised if Dale Marshall starts to show up at Pit Bull’s engagements.

    How can a political scientist who claims interest in Barbados’ progress be about to cast the country into political turmoil all because he was not made Minister of Finance. Well, Well, Well.


  32. Man lawson,…. you does talk a lotta shiite sometimes ya know!!! 🙂
    All Bushie has been doing is showing Ross how his criticism is flawed….. and chastising him for bypassing BU…what did the priest say that was wrong…?

    @ Crusoe
    Right on!
    You may recall that Bushie was making that exact point from the VERY start. Our whole education system has been degraded to junk status….no meaningful output….no discipline ……no leadership development…….no good academic results
    A lotta menopausal old hens picking on the few REAL men remaining in the system…..and a lotta money spent on a pack of women and effeminate men going through wasteful motions and producing a crop of indisciplined, louts who are mostly destined to the blocks and ZR industry.

    How the mighty has fallen….a great education heritage- now dominated by bullies and sex crazed teens….

    Bushie disagrees however with your solution of placing police officers in schools. If the responsible persons – be it the principal, department head or ministry official – were held to account and lost their jobs when found culpable or negligent, the problem would be arddressed.
    No one is EVER held to account – so no wonder it gets worse….


  33. Reports out of Parkinson School is that Mr Broome is doing a FANTASTIC job and has gained the respect and work ethics from over 90% of the teachers, students and parents/guardians. In fact one teacher said Mr Broome’s sacking from AX was a blessing to Parkinson.


  34. @ Miller
    Steupssss
    Man stop smelling up under Jack Donkey’s behind talking a roll do!
    How can a so-called Annunaki not recognize a roll of emotional shit talk when he sees it? …You just frighten that Boremann will get back to checking your posts to see if you leave off an ‘s’ or used the incorrect tense!!!, LOL
    You frighten for a little shit-hound like Boremann? 🙂

    First of all, from his silly little examples, where HE decides that someone is a “prick” and thus subject to death or worse….
    So how the hell did HE get to decide WHO is the prick?…wanna bet that he is white…?

    So when Jack D decided that Bushie is a ‘prick’ because he (Jack Donkey) has a problem with Bushie’s language – is that OK?
    …or
    When Jack’s UGLY daughter runs to him crying that Bushie’s sexy, handsome young grandson “troubled” her …that gives him the right to come up by Bushie’s hut with his KKK family looking to exact revenge?

    For once, Fenty has a point. Questions of right and wrong need to be established by a “higher” authority in order to have any real validity.
    Therefore, if we think that no such higher authority exists, all such “Laws” are merely subjective positions enforceable by those with the power to apply them ‘vi et armis.’.

    …any bet Jack Donkey would not subscribe to such a position if he found himself a member of Bushie’s tribe – and subject to the whims and fancies of the mighty Bushie towards grammatical idiots…. 🙂

  35. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Bush Tea | February 20, 2014 at 8:31 PM |

    The day the miller smells under jack Donkey’s behind is the same day the miller smells under Bushie’s armpit after a full day of “wacking” in the garden of his beloved but imaginary BBE.

    The miller was just simply acknowledging the fact that the pettifogger “Bow-Ps and Qs-man accidentally found himself behind the donkey cart instead of his usual position of pulling it.
    The jackass has shown he is not totally blinkered to rational thought and expression.
    The position he took is well supported by anthropological research and evidence unlike your “faith” in some unseen sky god.

    Even the real Anunnaki would tell you, Bushie, what you believe in is a load of make-believe ignorance just like the Aztec’s reaction upon seeing the arrival of a pale skin Hernán Cortés and his band of marauders off the Mexican Coast.


  36. BT

    DO stop deluding yourself. Actually you’re a bit like Lear so, yet again, I must forgive you……487 to go.


  37. Bajan lawyers are a pack of jokers.No ethics or morals. Dem turn our beautiful country into a cesspool of graft & chicanery..Puffed up Neanderthals in their hot black suits looking like idiots in the tropical climate.These lazy do-nothing so-called professionals would not last as long as a snow cone in the real world. Only in Bim can a motley crew of miscreants like these rassholes exist. Like Shakespeare said kill all the lawyers. They are running the show in Bim and the results are there for all to see.


  38. The Fan
    Barbados is so messed up we don’t even appreciate what is about to befall us economically. Hope is not a plan………….. so tell CS and FS that sitting on their hands will NOT turn around an economy which is in absolute free fall.


  39. LOL @’Redman on lawyers…
    …and they feel that they can come here on BU and run this show too….but unfortunately it is MUCH harder to get away with bull shit bout here….not when the whacker wukking…:)

    @ Miller
    We have given up on expecting you to be any more logical than ac….however in this case, the facts of Bushie’s faith were not even raised….
    The ONLY points raised were – based on Jack D’s suggestion- how would any particular person / group get the RIGHT to determine who is a “prick” and who wasn’t?

    If we appoint Jack Donkey then he will surely execute most of us for poor English…..beginning with the bushman……well no…shiite then, he would probably torture ac first before execution…and then torch the body….lol

    It is just COMMONSENSE that we can’t leave it to people to determine what is morally right and wrong….but because Jack came with a lotta shiite talk bout somebody interfering with his wutless daughter – wunna feel he got a point….. And now feeling shame and targeting Bushie….

    Jack should get back to critiquing posts for full stops, commas and proper grammar. Trying to compose intelligent posts cannot be good for his health…ww


  40. BT

    Ever heard of custom? You should have done. It’s out of Africa. It’s rooted in consent not command.

    “running the show”….but that’s your job isn’t it? Don’t worry. Your position’s quite safe. Don’t have a crisis.


  41. BT You… may not be shot, I have noticed your English gets much better and concise when you are trying to make a serious point. Now isn’t that odd you have to become more like my ilk when you want your arguments to be given the respect they deserve. and If I knew you were wearing a wig ,some of what you say would be brilliant This .. I am a poor bushman may wash with some, the crusader of the poor Bajan against the tyranny of those pompous white people and their traditions . I have watched 48 hours many times ..are you sure you and your crew want to go around pissing off lawyers? Surely you must believe in the separation of church and state the ability of respected clergy being able to sway the feeble minded is not good for anybody . Even in your beloved Nigeria if a witch doctor goes rabid thousands die.
    That concerns raised by the Rev. in themselves may make sense but are you not concerned this is like it was in the past where the church was too cozy with the people in charge. Keep picking that cane god has a place in heaven for the hard workers not the shirkers .


  42. @ David
    I am sure you would agree that the Nation is going through a serious credibility / integrity crisis . Maybe Carl Moore would agree with that too.


  43. Carl Moore is a loyalist even if it compromises his better sense.

    @Lawson

    You nitpicking is has now placed you in a unique category.


  44. You too Ross, report it to the nation.


  45. David have you re arranged your furniture, you seem to have gotten out of the wrong side of the bed this morning.


  46. LOL

    Oh dear…

    LAWSON…don’t you see how little these people are? And these are the ones that would change the world. God help us.


  47. RR I have already rented for crop over so I hope they don’t change it till after august


  48. We know it will not be the lawyers of this we are sure.


  49. David

    You got that right. Jesus himself couldn’t do it either.

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