Former Prime Minister Owen Arthur and Clyde Mascoll Chief BLP Spokesman on economic matters

Arthur revealed that deposits by Barbadians in local banks which stood at $9.333 billion in 2008 had now shrunk to $8.222 billion in 2011.

Nation Newspaper (11.06.2012)

Leader of the Opposition Owen Arthur announced recently at a Christ Church constituency branch meeting that Barbadians have been forced to drawdown on their savings caused by a rising cost of living. Consequently the purpose of savings to provide for a ‘rainy day’ has been compromised. Arthur was Prime Minister and Finance Minister for 14 years and many – the traditional media with the exception of David Ellis – seem to cower when he (Arthur) quotes financial information for public consumption.  Local media sadly seems driven by agenda and ignorance.

The information quoted by Arthur can be verified from the Central Bank of Barbados website. We welcome feedback on our conclusions when compared to the statistical gurus.

It is true that total deposits in 2008 stood at $9.333 billion. It is also true to state the deposit balance stood at $8.222 million in 2011. A more critical analysis shows that the $9.333 billion figure was at March 2008. The $8.222 billion was as at December 2011. Clearly Arthur did not factor seasonality in his politically provocative statement.

For example, in March 2008 the $9.333 billion  (quoted by Arthur) when compared to March 2011 figure of $9.045 (Arthur makes the comparison to December 2011) – so that an apples to apples comparison between Mar 2008 and Mar 2011 shows a fall of $288 million.

The same analysis if done to compare the deposit balance of $8.222 in December 2011 to the balance of $8.934 in December 2008, it shows a drop of savings of $712 million.

Further analysis shows that the level of deposits held by Private Individuals between March 2008 and March 2011 increased by $130 million.

Statistics we know can be manipulated to present multiple views. It is therefore incumbent on a discerning media and citizenry to filter ALL information dumped in the public domain. Imagine BU’s surprise when in Clyde Mascoll’s column of June 14, 2012 his introduction was as follows:

“Last week, the absence of a minus sign did not convey the theme of my article that the net savings of Barbadians fell from $670 million in 2007 to -$404 million in 2011.“  Again to be noted is the ambiguity in the analysis. Surprisingly Mascoll did not offer any correlation analysis between behaviour in the deposit balances and investment in government securities. Perhaps Mascoll can be forgiven because we know he labours under a word limit imposed by the newspaper.

A lament by BU over the years has been the lack of financial analysis by local media. It must be said however that a people get what they deserve.

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  1. The President Of The Barbados Economic Society Ryan Straughn says Barbados does not have a revenue problem but an expenditure one and therefore the government needs to cut expenditure more.
    Now we have all acknowledged that the only place left to cut expenditure to get the hundreds of millions is to SEND HOME PUBLIC SECTOR workers.
    The wage bill is where the big money is.
    Why doesn’t Ryan Straughn talk english that every one understands – instead of “cutting expenditure” , say “send home workers”. I think all Bajans would get a better sense of what he is saying and we could then guage whether people agree with his method or the government.


  2. There is no better word to describe Clyde Mascoll than FRAUD- We have the Trinidad economy with all of its oil showing three years of negative growth, St. Lucia, Jamaica and St. Kitts all had to run to the IMF,Grenada economy anemic and government in turmoil,The UK economy in recession, Obama facing defeat because the US economy still very sluggish and that fraud Mascoll could insult people intelligence by saying that Barbados is taking the longest to recover.
    I think the C is his name should not be for Clyde but for Cornwell.


  3. The obvious strategy is Mascoll’s argument is political opportunism not economic solutions. His economics is guided by his politics and that is cllear for all to see.His strategy is heavy criticism of Sinckler while offering no solutions. Realise how short he is always is on specific solutions, that is classic modus operandi of this FRAUD.

    Nuff criticism and no solutions.He in one breath says that historically the growth in the economy comes from non-tradeable sectors but in the other breath says “It is ,”HOWEVER”,accepted that the most secure growth is when local spending is supported by growth in the tradeable sectors”.

    However,Most Bajans can reason that if your tourists are not spending and you have a prolonged recession in your trading partners, spending in the non tradeable sectors cannot be sustained.
    This is a recession with a difference. Even in the USA, all the analysts show that job growth and recovery has been very sluggish as opposed to previous recessions. A counter cyclical programme with a boost in domestic spending in a prolonged international recessionary environment is NOT SUSTAINABLE unless this is offset by deep reduction in government spending (sending home workers).
    That is why Mascoll is a fraud. His economics is guided first by politics.
    The head of the economic society says cut more expenditure by sending home workers – Mascoll is a politician first and he cannot admit that as a party spokesman so he criticises and offers no specific solutuons. A real Fraud.

  4. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    To the Point
    Was in the company of some of those vendors being relocated to allow for the market roof removal……Never have I heard such a cohesive body of comments all expressing disgust in this Govt……and rightly so too
    When To the Point can be so insensitive to make his above remark….not only is it nonsense to a lower income earner (whose first conceptualization of a BOND is a warehouse)…..but also irrelevant to a middle income earner ($4500 >) as what little they had was depleted by the taxation of TravelEntrn,…..YOU GUYS REALLY ARE TOO REMOTE from the situation and not understanding the heartbeat of the people. Bonds are for the upper class with excess and even they are holding back (Four Seasons due to the present investors’ climate.


  5. @David

    Please note the thread below. Hope Onions et al aslo pay special attention to it.

    Surely Mascoll and Aurthur should recognize that people take money from their saving to buy government instruments which give a better rate on investmentand in some instances not taxable, whereas there is a 12.5 per cent withholding tax on on interest on your savings, if you are not exempted.. Quite recently, a family member reduced her savings to purchase government bonds. If the Central Bank invites the Public, incluidng ordinary citizens to invest in government instruments they would naturally turn to their savings to undertake such activity, unless they have the money under their bed, LOL. Consequently, there must be a reduction in savings in the bank , if there is a correspondnece rise of individualsand companies investing in govt instruments. Who is this dumbo ONIONS.

    http://news.yahoo.com/outlook-darkens-europe-sinks-china-struggles-102504018–finance.html

  6. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    Now further if given ….upper class savings either remain constant or rising (o or +)….for the total net savings movement to be DOWN (-)….the remainder classes mid and lower …would have to be moving DOWN (-)… elementary my dear TTP.. Q.E.D


  7. @Onions

    get your facts straight, i offer no comments on the market, but then again, why am i not surprised at your stupidity and garbled response, but then again, if you have sediments of garbage in your brain, i do not expect nothing out but grabage, in computer terminology, we say garbage in, garbage out.


  8. !
    I made a promise not to listen to any thing mascol or hammie say, i consider them to be political prostitutes.


  9. Does any one exoect the god,s honest TRUTH from the team of mascoll and OSA after all the BLP handling of the economy for the past 14years is mostly in part for the downward spiral the country is experiencing and now having a gullible public believing all was well when they left office when in fact the DLP govt inherted astronomical debt which the poor has to repay. Bajans must not be FOOLED by a PASt administration whose legacy was borne out of PERCEPTIONS and SOLID WASTE


  10. @nATION

    I know a few journalists from both houses, and that is the consensus that the Nation has a politcal axe to grind, what i dont understand is if the the foriegn owner is part of this conspiracy. If this is so, it shows how outside interest can get involved in the politcal process, and that is what we have to guard against. I hope that the DLP egts integrity legislation on the books before elctions are called.

  11. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    I am really appalled at the level some are willing to stoop to… BEGGING FOR ANOTHER TERM…..using all at their disposal to influence….Tell me WHAT ARE YOU ALL GOING NOW…(yes now, 6 mnths still avail.) to show us suffering souls….that YOU CAN DO FOR US DURING THE NXT 5 YEARS..?? WHAT.? WHAT ?WHAT?WHAT WHAT ?..Or will it be more videos of the plight of others….and a saying of “see you all not suffering alone”….PLEASSSSSSSSSSSE…not good enuff, can’t pay supermarket bills, won’t keep the light on….we want results… MONEY …we want to come out…not talk of how to make blackbird soup and keeping sheep n goats to build fortitude ..while you all in Parliament drawing BIG salaries laughing at our asses….Besides, we just want you all out….last 4yrs Clico Ax,blunders united,deserve a 0…a leader wanted and the eager 11 has shown none there either.


  12. @AC

    may i ask you a question, where do you get the energy to read rantings from illogical people such as onions, and one called prodigal and the scout. their rumblings makd me very exhausted after reaing their nonsense. At least they are some whose poltical perspectives are known who are logical in the most part, even if the content is lacking.

  13. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    Don’t attack the Onion….ANSWER THE QUESTION……WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT ? We want answers not a critique of Prodigal ,Scout, Enuff and Onions…we are waiting…WHAT ARE YOU ALL PLANNING TO DO ?..forget the messengers…

  14. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ac | June 21, 2012 at 9:24 AM |
    “… and now having a gullible public believing all was well when they left office when in fact the DLP govt inherted astronomical debt which the poor has to repay. ”

    So you are blaming OSA and the BLP for the massive increase in the national debt that took place between 2008 and now?

    So you view the fiscal landscape of this country as an old-fashioned Bajan outhouse (toilet) where more crap is loaded upon crap with the political flies, lizards and “crapauds” putting on a great show.

    Never mind the lenders have booked an upcoming appointment with the “rose-tree trimmers”.


  15. To the point
    I too would like to see integrity legislation act passed before this term ends, but it is most unlikely. Even if something is passed, it wouldn’t be to the advantage of either party or members of parliament, plus it would take a pretty long debate to reach a just conclusion, and there is little time left. True the P.m promised to have it done before he dissolves parliament but to do this would be some wtered down version of a true integrity act.

  16. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Why is Seethru running away from answering the Budget?

    It is his job. Why is he so afraid of Min. Sinckler?

  17. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

  18. old onion bags Avatar

    CCC
    Is this their answer ? Is this meant to be a joke ? Don’t you have lessons to do ?


  19. I would rather have a watered down version of integrity legislation, than none at all

  20. old onion bags Avatar

    @ To the Point
    …are you the” Artful Dodger” ?….seems like its getting contagious…..lol.. seems like you have learn’t from the best…a hand-me-down…


  21. @Miller

    If the DLP inherited hidden debt, that did no show the true picture, wouldnt the dlp have to borrow to pay off those ardurous amounts at they become due such as those from the extension to the highways, the prison, the courts and the bdf ,and if there is falling reveune, wouldnt the govt have to borrow thus increasingthe debt. What has happened to the USA.s deb, that of Spain, Portugal, and Greece, among others. You are getting on like an ostrich by burrying your head in the sand and is not facing reality,

  22. old onion bags Avatar

    TTT
    The question remains tabled to be answered… .WHAT IS THE DLP GOING TO DO to carry his country forward ?You don’t get another TERM by leaving such questions unanswered.THE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW …

  23. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Owen”seethru”Arthur a man who entered politics through a flood(water) in St. Peter and engineered into parliament by Aaron Trust who he then kicked out of politics in favor of Ishmeal Roett.

  24. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan


  25. @onions

    i respond to things that make sense?R u the artful illogical person? Just only asking.

  26. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

  27. old onion bags Avatar

    Carson
    Like you have developed a serious bout of video-diarrhea….man where ya going wid this ?Just so…? Really what is the perspective ?

    Man you have to do better than this….this is not The Globe cinema

  28. old onion bags Avatar

    TTP
    You have lost ..the debate….as usual….unable to substantiate your proposition…Onions 18….TTP…2..bug out !


  29. @ Old Onions
    I pay CCC et al little attention. They do not like FACTS, innuendo, gossip and lies are their modus operandi. How many times one must state that a quick glance at the Central Bank documents shows that all of the capital projects started under the BLP and unfinished by Jan 2008 were on the books before the Dems came to power. Moreover, wasn’t the economy revalued, yet the debt higher? The gov’t is borrowing monthly to pay for recurring expenses i.e salaries NOT CAPEX!!!

  30. Fractured BLP Party Avatar
    Fractured BLP Party

    old onion bags | June 21, 2012 at 11:05 AM |
    TTT
    The question remains tabled to be answered… .WHAT IS THE DLP GOING TO DO to carry his country forward ?You don’t get another TERM by leaving such questions unanswered.THE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW …
    __________________________________________________

    And you are prepared to bring back that DRUNKARD Owen Arthur….to produce another GEM of a GREENLAND or Al Barack ? We the rational voters in Barbados will reject that proposition on E – Day.

    Let the toothless PHILANDERER stay where he is.

    If the issue facing Barbados is really “poor economic ‘ management and leadership according to Owen……then let him go to Parliament on 27th June at 4:00 pm and reply to the BUDGET.

    Let the nation hear of his economic INTELLECT.

    Wunnah shit cleaners think Bajans stupid.


  31. To the point i never read them i see then as distraction But notice how they all would disappear when they see the videos it is as if a foul stench premeates the air that make the yardfowls run for cover.i dont know how anybody in their right mind can sing the praises of OSA must less be in his presence


  32. !onions

    what new osa has to offer, failing to tranform the econonmy when there was plenty. waste on kesington, urban and rual, the coorupt road project, commit the govt under bolt arrangements for the prisons, the defense force nad the courts, to effect off balnce sheet financing.


  33. AC

    you does make me laugh sometimes, but where you get them termits from that want to eat you out of a home. Make sure you get the property treated so call inthe termite people yah hear

  34. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    How quickly I see the DLP forerunners amass…vile and dirty mouthed ,the usual,they rant and they duel… proffering nothings worthy to these ears….

    To the Point,…. this morning you were tested in debate and lost. Your answer to this is to bring these clown to extricate some semblance of remorse to pamper your sad soul.They need to remember never send a lad to accomplish a man’s job….why if you were meat for the matter you would apologize for your cows……as they offer nothing but foul and blemish.

  35. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @To the point | June 21, 2012 at 10:43 AM |
    “I would rather have a watered down version of integrity legislation, than none at all”

    This level of aspiration is indicative of the mediocrity and downright incompetence that characterize this DLP regime. Almost 5 years now since a promise to the electorate has been made to bring FOI & Integrity Legislation to improve the democratic landscape of Barbados- a country which boasts of having more lawyers and doctors per square mile than Amsterdam has whorehouses and spiff joints.

    It is downright disgusting and woefully politically dishonest that it has taken so long to draft and pass legislation that can be easily copied from some other more progressive Commonwealth jurisdiction with minor amendments to reflect local idiosyncrasies.
    We don’t want any half-baked toothless piece of legislation to suit party political expediency of some nincompoop, indecisive leader who does not know his political elbow from his economic arse.

    If we have waited so long even to have the promise legislation even brought up for discussion by the DLP administration we are certain we can wait another year for a proper piece of legislation to stem the corruption and administrative incompetence that is holding back this country from a better path to development.


  36. Who would believe that the author of the above thread has zeroed in on some thing serious about the statistics that are some times presented to the Barbadian public by some so-called politicians in this country, and thus by that very fact would have been attempting to have a serious discussion on the subject, but look what has so far eventuated – a lot of meaningless irrelevant crap by some people under this particular blog.

    What a shame indeed.

    PDC


  37. @PDC

    It is why the traditional media can get away with zero focus on financial reporting. We are an educated people but always we are intimidated by the financial stuff. And this is basic.


  38. you know there are things that are worthy of serious discussion but sometimes one has to be leery of the mouth who makes the utterances.in any case at a time of economic crisis when people are unemployed it does not take a road scholar to understand that people who was saving for “a rainy day” would have to dip into their savings to keep afloat however when the topic is used to generate politics mileage and score political points. it becomes like “gossip” the real intentof the message gets lost along with the meaning and focus.


  39. David,

    Just yesterday evening we and one of our party leader’s friends were in Independence Square seeking information pertaining to the amount in local value in Barbados dollars of food that is imported into the country in a reported yearly basis. Would you believe it that in a June Barbados Today issue, the amount of the latest value was put at BDS $600 million, and that the National online story sometime in May arrived at the latest value of BDS $ 700 million for the same amount in food imported into Barbados recenlty?

    Would you believe that we did an online search of CBB statistics soon after coming upon such those very starkly dissimilar figures and came up with a current figure of 570 something million?

    We wonder sometimes what much research and collating some in the local news media really do.

    Anyhow, the BBC reports that Moody’s has downgraded 15 major international. One of those Banks is the Royal Bank of Canada which would have recently bought out RBTT in Barbados and elsewhere in the region.

    The PDC wonders what are some of the implications of this for the operations of this Bank in Barbados.

    PDC

  40. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    Come November…imagine all this will be ALL OVER…..Praise the Lord.
    David …..you are so right….it’s already overwhelming….
    Oh Bell ring
    Sweet Bell ring…put some of these tormented souls to rest.
    Good ting is ….somber way tings returns to normal……lol
    Bling Bling…imagine and so it may happen.


  41. @PDC

    Can you check the stats and tell us the trend of Barbadians owning government securities?


  42. Here is a chart which shows Barbadians holding government treasuries and savings bonds.

    Holding in Dec 2007 101.5 million compared to 102.1 million in Dec 2011.

    http://bajan.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/data4.pdf

    What it shows is that Bajans are still investing.


  43. Here is a man OSA who NEVER! EVER! did absolutely nothing in 14 yrs to secure the safety and stability of this country and people From viotile economic schock and now have the nerveto talk about fiscal policy ! SCHOCKING very SCHOCKING INDEED!


  44. @ David

    “What it shows is that Bajans are still investing.”
    Aren’t you doing the same thing you accuse the politicians of doing i.e manipulating data? Do you have a list of the investors?


  45. @enuff

    BU did a point to pointt comparison unlike Arthur.

    Who would have invested those balances in the report attached?


  46. Only Bajans can buy? Companies?


  47. Any sensible public servant who wants to keep his / her job should realise that a vote for the BLP could mean that you could be sent home.

    The Evidence.
    The BLP spokesman on the economy has consistently referred to the government’s policy not to send home public servants as fiscal madness if we refer to his article from June 2012.

    Secondly, in the Barbados Association of journalists sponsored discussion at the Grand Salle, the BLP representative suggested that we need to look at a reduction in transfers and subsidies (75% of transfers and subsidies is wages and salaries).

    Thirdly, the BLP and its spokespersons refuse to be very specific when referring to where these big expenditure cuts in the budget can be found. Obviously, they know if they provide the specifics, many workers would reject their medicine.

    Fourthly, in a 2010 Article Mr. Mascoll gave this insight into his and the BLP’s thinking and I quote “So how do you reduce taxes without increasing the deficit? This is done by cutting current expenditure, equivalent to the taxes raised.
    The two areas of current expenditure which have grown fastest are wages and salaries, and transfers and subsidies. ”

    These are the words of the BLP spokesman – his words, not mine – any sensible government worker can see that the BLP thinks that we need to send home some public servants.

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