The CADRES Poll: A Reason For Stuart To Ponder

Prime Minister Fruendel Stuart

Minister of Culture Stephen Lashley was quoted in the press on the weekend blaming the lack of a media policy at the National Cultural Foundation (NCF) for feeding perennial controversies during the Crop Over period. To summarize his view: the ad hoc manner NCF officials have interacted with the media must stop. BU agrees with the minister that an effective media policy will always add value to the process of disseminating timely and accurate information.

To support Lashley view, we had another Lashley demonstrating why a media policy is useful. Yesterday at the St. James North Democratic Labour Party (DLP) Constituency meeting Minister of Housing Michael Lashley reacted to the CADRES poll by telling party supporters, “polls don’t vote”. Lashley who has been unusually silent in recent weeks – as well as Minister of Agriculture David Estwick – no doubt strayed from his substantive script of expounding about government’s housing program to share his views on the findings of the CADRES poll.

BU suspects that Nation newspaper reporter Mike King travelled to the St. James North Constituency meeting with great anticipation stoked by the release of the CADRES poll. Lashley did not disappoint. Here is a classic case where a media policy of government should have kicked in to guide public pronouncements about how to treat with the CADRES matter by key government officials.  Especially given the nature of its findings. The nonsensical comments attributed to Minister of Housing Michael Lashley in the Nation newspaper showed clearly his comments were off the cuff and exposed a kind of lethargy by our leadership which is not welcomed in 2012.

Lashley’s comments reflect the urgent need for government – even at this late state in its term – to implement a communications policy. Not since the death of David Thompson has the government been able to establish a coherent and cogent dialogue with the LOCAL media. Has it occurred to the DLP hierarchy by now that ALL utterances about the CADRES poll by government ministers and close others will be placed under the microscope?  

BU is not a fan of election polls but like the ‘Exam’ there is no alternative to scientifically measure the mood of the electorate. Again, BU is not a fan of many of Peter Wickham’s ‘positions’ but his poll results over the years have always been close to the mark. His mentor Pat Emmanuel must be pleased. Last general election BLP members were ‘cussin’ and the DLPites were singing Wickham’s praises. How things have changed after only one term.

If BU were in Stuart’s position Wickham’s poll would have created by now the need to schedule a strategy session with the parliamentary group and other key persons in the DLP before weekend. Barbadians, except DLP hacks are not surprised at CADRES findings, understandable in an austere economic climate.

Prime Minister Stuart may be a nice guy and noble in his intentions. A leader must lead. Stuart must think on these things.

0 thoughts on “The CADRES Poll: A Reason For Stuart To Ponder


  1. Some important things to remember:

    – as David says, that the economy and leadership issue are intertwined, no less than everyone knows that even some of the Ministers think that Stuart is not up to the task i.e. the eleven. Further, they have been shown correct by the lack of direction on Four Seasons, Alexandra (a cCommission of Enquiry is not direction, it is a deflection of responsibility), CLICO etc. Our most successful leaders i.e. Barrow, Adams and Arthur (leadership on issues is not what lost the last election, but arrogance by the Ministers).

    – What is keeping Barbados afloat is not brilliant management but simple economics i.e. the high end tourism sector continues to support Barbados i.e. Sandy Lane et al West Coast (give them credit) , Crane resort etc and the intertnational business sector also. That is all.

    – rapport is gione, with the loss of David Thompson, whether you supported him as PM or not, he came to be leader and he did maintain his rapport with the electorate, he committed to this and held his committment.
    – there is no clearly communciated agenda, especially on significant issues, that is the second failure of this current administration.

    Further, the notion that the polls are irrelevant is a pointless exercise and worse, is indicative of an administration that has lost touch. Even if for some peculiar reason it was thought, it should never have been voiced, it reflects an arrogance and a lack of appreciation for necessary feedback in management.

    There is no doubt in my mind that the election is over, all that is left is formalities.

    No hard feelings for anyone, it is just what is and the country needs to move forward.


  2. Opportunistic” then it begs the question what do they have to lose as it is now the polls suggest that without a leader they will lose.


    • Stuart had the opportunity to get a new mandate when Thompson died and he indicated that it is not his style. It was a mistake, even Wickham admits it.

      It is hard to see Stuart stepping aside because that is the only way it will happen, the E11 has shown they don’t have the balls to come together.

      Sinckler has made it harder by going public he is not interested in the primeministership, another mistake.

      At this point unless the BLP implodes the DLP has to concentrate on minimizing the damage i.e. whether they win 8 seats or 3.

      But these is still time for crap to happen on the BLP side!


  3. David i think that is the game plan now. hope that the BLP implodes. i could not believe that the PM would call the poll “irrelevant”. this guy is clearly living a bubble and clearly if the DLP wants a chance to win, they must remove this man from the role he is playing in pulling them down.


  4. It is a shame for the PM to dismiss the survey findings. Barbadians, especially the poor, suffer under the DLP every time they are in office.It is evident, reliable and will continue to be that way as long as they are in office. DLP has a way of making the people of Bim fell that they are for the people but they are not. If Barbadian cant see that now and take action, we will suffer more….We need a change and right away.
    The taxes are extremely high and what amaze me most, is that since the DLP was in power, everything went up and continues to climb every day and all year. They call it WR. Shhhhhhh man!!! The DLP is the Dam Light Power. They are high powered and dangerous. You ought to be careful Barbados.


  5. The Nation’s coverage will be very obviously anti DLP . The columnists never had the balls to confront the BLP leader on any issue whether in government or opposition. Now with Harold Hoyte retired, The BLP knows that they have the Nation choir singing together – Is it not a coincidence how Sanka Price in his economic analysis repeats word for word what Clyde Mascoll says- Price is not only a columnist , he is in charge of the Friday and Saturday paper.

    I repeat and I will not be proven wrong- NO COLUMNIST at the Nation will attack or confront Owen Arthur on anything during or after this election cycle. It will be one sided DLP bashing from now until election day. The BLP journalistic prostitute known as the Nation newspaper will not touch the opposition leader in any of their columns unless it is something positive.
    If any of them goes off course, a simple call from Roebuck Street to Kaymar will correct it.


  6. I originally thought that a possible partial solution to the DLP’s problems that were unceremoniously uncovered by the poll was for FS to step down asap. A head wiser in political reality (Observing) indicated that such was unlikely. I now agree with him. FS and the DLP are unlikely to go this route since too many people are now seeing it as the only sensible way to go to gain ground in the election stakes.

    I fear that what the poll has done, along with wickham’s and others’ unseemly crowing, is to ensure that the poll is delayed to the very latest statutory date possible.

    Thus, if the european and world economic situation gets worse and there continues to be significant job and hotel attrition here as well as further cutbacks in several areas, along with further deleterious developments from CLICO, AX, et al, the outlook for the DLP looks really bleak.

    Perhaps “just asking’s” scenario may not be too outrageous after all. However, in all this there is the slim chance that the BLP still might shoot itself in the foot.

    Hope springs eternal …………..


  7. @Observing

    Will they AGAIN hand back over a soon healing country to the BLP who will ride the waves that they started into another era of “better times”?
    *************
    Colour you an optimist, have you paid any attention how the leaders of the G8 are trying to patch the mess in Europe with bits of hay, baling wire and tar paper?. Events elsewhere will determine whether the country “heals” or not, these waves are a portent of an approaching storm One can use the analogy that the country is like a “moses” caught in the middle of a hurricane it doesn’t go where you want it to go, it goes where the wind and the waves wants it to go.


  8. The winds of change are blowing and will blow stronger each day as the present government hangs onto power. AC you are trying too hard to change the polls. Just accept it and plan your life accordingly, that is if you still have one after the elections. Remember my lifeboat is still afloat.


  9. @ NationBLPnewspaper

    You DLP supporters behave like little children. Three media houses in Barbados, Advocate, CBC and the Government Information Service are all pro DLP. The Opposition cannot see the light of day coming from these entities, unless there is trouble in that camp.

    The Advocate owns the DLP choir, as well as sings in it and conducts it, and you have no problem with that. The first eight and the last four pages – everything – DLP, DLP, DLP. I guess the Advocate is either a “call-girl” or the more politically correct term, an escort, in this regard.

    Next, you have the DLP CBC TV Evening News that is the propaganda machine for the party, each night highlighting ministers left, right and centre, and you happy with that,.

    Then you have The People’s Business, whose programs are structured in such a manner that Ministers are not asked pertinent questions by the moderators. You get some ignorant people, who instead of asking questions relevant to the issue, would comment on the shirt, smile, hair-cut, dress, or hair-style. You also have on CBC radio, Talk-ya-talk with pro DLP moderators, John Lovell and Maureen Holder, and I notice that BLP supporters are roughed up by these two, especially Lovell. Well, Holder in a class by “she self”, a masters degree and she knows everything.

    But what is surprising is that despite all of these avenues afforded to you to spread your message and propaganda (unopposed at that), THE POLLS STILL RANK YOU UNPOPULAR.

    Man, doan blame de Nation fuh da yuh, you responsible fuh ya own demise.


  10. The NationBLPnewspaper – a true story.
    Once upon a time, a BLP Leader made a Nation newspaper Chairman a government senator – The Nation was looking for a new Editor -In – Chief.
    The Nation’s chairman then “coincidentally” picks a journalist who is a known close friend of the same BLP leader. Therefore the new editor was working for the company chaired by the BLP Senator and is the close friend of the BLP leader who appointed the BLP senator who approved her recruitment.
    The evidence that the Nation newspaper has been politically compromised, neutralised and is has a clear BLP agenda is overwhelming.


  11. Unfortunately Sidney Cox died, lo and behold, the DLP press secretary Reudon Eversley, secretly appointed as Director of News and Current Affairs at CBC. Whereas the Nation is a privately owned company, CBC is an institution owned by the taxpayers of Barbados and not the Democratic Labour Party. CBC and the Advocate, are they not politically compromised?


  12. There they go again, all together now- the only response for the Nation’s journalistic prostitution is “CBC does do it too”.

    1994 – 2007 – The Advocate and CBC were the biggest promoters of the BLP.That is a fact and when last I checked the former CEO of the BLP was still writing for the Advocate and frequently criticising the government in the same column.
    1994 – 2007- Ezra Alleyne was cussing the DLP in the Nation on a regular basis. Please tell the public which columnist in the Nation currently criticises anything about the opposition leader or the BLP?. Back then the Nation would still give both sides columns but not now. There is a clear boycott on any columnist from the DLP. Arthur has made that quite clear to Kaymar, so while you will see reporting on what is happening, the columnists will NEVER criticise the opposition leader.
    That is the 11th commandment in the Nation newspaper by its columnists –
    Thou shalt not in any way harshly criticise the current opposition leader – he is off limits.
    If the BLP returns to power, Who in the Nation will challenge and confront Arthur? – Mascoll? Hoyos?, Ezra Alleyne who was receiving consultancy fees from the BLP?? Peter Symmonds who Arthur appointed as a diplomat?
    we will expect as usual that CBC will reflect the BLP point of view as happened previously. The Nation will retain Brandford, Hoyos, Sanka Price, Mascoll and the other political operatives. This time, however, you can still rest assured that they will still target the DLP for their focus while bowing at the BLP political altar.
    The Nation has been compromised.IT is obvious to all.


  13. @ David

    I notice that since Sunday when the CADRES poll featured in the Nation Newspaper you have had Chris Sinckler followed by Mia Mottley on the page top banner for BU.

    I know you are not simply up to mischief, its more than that. Do you care to share with the bloggers on BU your role?


  14. Booker T ……why do people like you feel that the blog master must consult others before he changes his headers? David can do whatever he likes with his headers..IT IS HIS BLOG! ……Stupse……. David shouldn’t even bother answering your stupid question.


  15. Nonsense.
    How does all that information help to improve the service at the Transport Board, when the average man has to wait 2 hours for bus to get home? How does it help those persons whose light and water bills have increased astronomically because of ill-advised policies of this government? How does it help the 500 persons who were recently made redundant at Almond Resort? How does it help the students at the Alexandra School? Does this information assist in the reduction of the cost of living? Can this information assist those persons who have been awaiting their income tax refunds since 2010? Is it any help to those persons whose retirement income will be significantly reduced as a result of a decrease in pensions?

    The only people who seems to care about the Nation and its internal activities is you and the man on the Cream-of-Wheat box.


  16. BU routinely rotates the banners. We started last week with Arthur, Mottley will probably be switched out to Stuart in keeping with the political theme of the time.


  17. Although Mr Stuart is not my all-time favourite as Prime Minister I think he is still the “best” person in the DLP to command that position. We need to take the emotionalism out and be honest in our assessment of the persons that we voted in to office in January 2008.
    We say change Mr Stuart whom everyone views as an honest and upright person but is slow to act, I guess we now live in a microwave society everything must be instantaneous.
    But change him for whom who do we have?
    Mr Sinckler – has a certain amount of charisma but can we believe ANYTHING he says? He tells us that the Governments of Dominica and St Vincent are investing in the Four Seasons project but lo and behold the PM’s of those countries know nothing about what he speaks. He tells us that the increase in VAT is for 18 months now it is permanent. Before he was an MP he organised a rally in St Vincent against the EPA, when he became an MP he was on over the place champion the cause of the EPA. To my mind he cannot be taken at his word.
    Mr R Jones – is seeking to take over the empire previously presided over by Mr Jack Warner. He will not do the right thing when his friend is the culprit. Therefore he is not good management material.
    Mr R Sealy – has a certain amount of charisma and is too laid back shall we say lazy?
    Mr J Boyce – Not accustom to working LAZY
    Mr M Lashley – poster boy for housing and cannot travel to certain countries.
    Dr D Estwick – Good man but side lined by the party because he is too plain spoken for some persons.
    Mr A Brathwaite – Approachable but just there.
    Mr D Kellman – Good heart but too much of a Mr I and I = one man show.
    Dr E Byer- Suckoo- Easy on the eyes
    Mrs M Thompson – ………..
    Mr D Inniss – Too many question marks
    Mr Kenny Best – Mr Green Verbs #2
    Mr Michal Carrington- Good man but what else
    Dr D Lowe- stupse
    Now should we still talk about removing Mr Stuart before the General Elections? Think on these things Barbados.


  18. @ Sargeant,
    Fair comment my patootie, do you think I just fell off the potato truck?……………………..
    …………….no maybe the garbage truck, though, bearing in mind the nonsense you talk. I wont reply to you, so dont bother!


  19. Watching

    Be careful, I have taken a lot of abuse for coming to the same conclusions. Let’s face it, Stuart is not the ideal leader, but who is? Yes, he is slow to act, but I am yet to hear anybody say that he is a crook. Quite frankly, I prefer an honest man who is slow to make decisions to a speedy crook any day.


  20. Caswell
    I agree with you give me Stuart any day before any of the others.

    But you know what is the problem with the DLP too many former candidated and foot soldiers were run out of the party who then join the BLP . So what is left is the dregs not nice to admit and it is the truth.


    • Watching

      It might not be nice to admit, but if Barbadians were honest with themselves, they would admit that you are absolutely correct. But I would go further, even though I criticise him at times, I prefer Stuart to Mottley and Arthur any day. Mind you, he is a big boy and should be able to take it, otherwise, tough because I don’t plan to stop.


  21. Caswell
    You know what I find extremely vulgar these persons who are lined up behind Mr Stuart aka Eager11 complained are complaining that Mr Stuart is slow to act and is not doing his job but they are doing far worse than he is going. Also if they were really effective and competent we would not have noticed that Mr Stuart was slow in making decisions

    .


  22. Stuart, what?

    He was never a leader and has proven that. Have you ever seen any country progress with a leader like Stuart? Stuart became leader by default and he has behaved like a default leader….like he is still keeping house for the dead king.

    As in “Jennifer Lazlo” election when the dead king and the kingmaker came up with the “Crime and Violence” election theme, they decided to come up with that corruption theme in 2008, knowing that with people wanting a change and that Barbadians hate to hear that their politicians are corrupt, they knew it would be a winning strategy.

    They won, the people actually believed them. It surprises me that educated people still believe the Dems’ lies. Do you really think that with all of the government files at their disposal, they would not have found the evidence and would exposed the BLP for all to see saying …”look here is the proof”. To this day, not a shred of evidence of any wrong doing but we saw the evidence on the one who was really corrupt, Mr I will not lie, cheat or steal. Freundel continues to associate with the CLICO “terrorist” and you all keep saying, Freundel is all that clean. How else could he call in CBC to say he calling on behalf of his friend, the PM?

    Give me a break! Every one has one vote, and the electorate will decide!


  23. Classic case in point, several ministers reacted to the CADRES poll in today’s Nation with different messages. Why is it so difficult to see the problem?


  24. I’ll be honest. I like FS. I like the DLP. A part of me actually would like them to win another term. But, if look at a national poll by an established organisation which has called it right or come damned close for the past 4 election cycles, and which

    a) puts your popularity at 9%,
    b) forecasts that at this stage your party would definitely lose,
    c) raises glaring issues with your government’s and party’s operation and
    d) indicates major worry about leadership, the economy and party unity

    If you then say publicly that the pole (pun intended) is IRRELEVANT, or NONSENSE, then there is an even bigger problem than we have discussed here so far. The comment about Wickham and dating back to to 2000 is also unbelievable.

    I still believe it will be a close race with either standing a chance, but, if these guys continue as is, decide to extend the poll date as far as possible, and fail to address the major current concerns as well as the ones that are still to come, this could easily resemble an ’86 or ’99. Not for lack of ability or competence, but for total and absolute cluelessness.


  25. I repeat, they are in denial. They believe that Barbadians always give governments two terms, so they are resting on that belief.

    I heard a DLP lady today on Brasstacks who admitted that she has known the PM for 46 years, pleading for a second term for the DLP. She pleaded….the people must give them a second chance and if after two and a half years Freundel does not change, the other members can then bring a no confidence motion to move him. David asked her if she thinks that could ever happen.

    Well, Sleepy Smith in the run up to the 2008 election on Brasstacks asked the people to give the DLP a chance and if they did not perform, after one term, they were free to throw them out. I think the people of Barbados need to make good on that pledge!


  26. @David | May 22, 2012 at 7:15 AM |
    Wickham made a valid point yesterday. The DLP is the party which led the country to Independence in 1966 and has been unable to hold on to power since Errol Barrow for any significant time since then? Comment?
    ===========================
    The Errol Barrow legacy is all there is for DLP supporters to cling to.


  27. @Just wondering | May 23, 2012 at 3:16 AM |
    Pet er Wickham today read an email from a ” TEACHER ” whose criticism of PM Stuart was that every time he spoke she had to run to a dictionary ; she can’t understand what he is saying . She was obviously not ashamed to disclose that she was a “TEACHER ” .. Wonders never cease !!!!
    =============================
    JW, you have to admit that the PM uses vocabulary that is way beyond the average Bajan. His vocabulary is extensive, but he should save the high level vocab for the high level meetings he attends.


  28. @ac | May 23, 2012 at 6:19 AM |
    Opportunistic” then it begs the question what do they have to lose as it is now the polls suggest that without a leader they will lose.
    =====================
    They are going to lose either way, but this is the first comment you have made that isn’t totally stupid.


  29. @islandgal246 | May 23, 2012 at 8:18 AM |
    The winds of change are blowing and will blow stronger each day as the present government hangs onto power. AC you are trying too hard to change the polls. Just accept it and plan your life accordingly, that is if you still have one after the elections. Remember my lifeboat is still afloat.
    ===================
    Ha ha ha…that’s good advice you giving to your girl. BTW, were you known as PiedPiper in another blog?


  30. The DLP and the PM are living in their own Fantasy worlds. They create this “world in their heads” and operate and make statements within that context–Nothing to do with Reality.
    We have to be careful that Stuart calls election, he might not want to call elections, he might not call elections.Not Calling Elections is an option too. There is nothing , no law , No constitutional clause that stops Stuart from not calling election


  31. @Caswell Franklyn | May 23, 2012 at 10:21 AM |
    Watching
    Be careful, I have taken a lot of abuse for coming to the same conclusions. Let’s face it, Stuart is not the ideal leader, but who is? Yes, he is slow to act, but I am yet to hear anybody say that he is a crook. Quite frankly, I prefer an honest man who is slow to make decisions to a speedy crook any day.
    ===============
    This is where you and I differ Caswell. Since there is no ideal leader, I prefer a speedy crook who can achieve results over an honest man who appears to be politically comatose and impotent.


  32. And never underestimate the real swinging power of those voters who have no affiliation with either political party.


  33. Zack ….I am only familiar with the real PiedPiper of Hamelin town in Brunswick near Hanover city.


  34. @Prodigal Son | May 23, 2012 at 1:33 PM |
    I repeat, they are in denial. They believe that Barbadians always give governments two terms, so they are resting on that belief.
    =========================
    That’s a valid comment. Many of them believe that a second term is automatic based on history. They are in for a rude awakening.


  35. If the PM does not call an election what can we do about that? Can he stay in power without an election? Is the present party so desperate that they will hang unto power at any cost? I wonder if they sleep well at night? I know for sure they are trolling this blog for sure.


  36. @islandgal

    There is a constitutional drop dead date (April 2013) failing which the GG would desolve parliament. But why would the PM not call election unless he is essaying to go the route of dictatorship? Relax Barbados is a model democracy.


  37. @Boy Blue | May 23, 2012 at 3:21 PM |
    And never underestimate the real swinging power of those voters who have no affiliation with either political party.
    =====================
    Very true…swing voters usually make all the difference especially when there’s a high voter turnout.


  38. It is clear that Mr Stuart will not be PM after General Election night irrespective which party wins the poll. So why hasten him, allow him his “one moment in time”. My opinion is that he WILL NOT contest the coming election, but the DLP will only know that when he visits the GG to dissolve parliament that would be the ultimate diss for the Eager 11 to have to choose a leader at the eleventh hour (no pun intended).
    Think about it, the Eager 11 does not want him so why stress himself to contest an election where afterwards he does not have a role to play. If the party loses he will be blamed for the defeat and IF big IF the DLP wins can we expect for the Eager 11 to vote for him as PM? I think NOT.


  39. @Zack
    That’s a valid comment. Many of them believe that a second term is automatic based on history. They are in for a rude awakening.

    i think it is more than that. i believe they have sounded themselves with people who only tell them what they want to hear. so in their world if you say you see a problem you automatically become a BLP supporter. it does not get any sadder than that really.


  40. To be fair to the PM if he leads the party to an election win why would his colleagues not support his for PM? A win would be a mandate from the people. However selecting the PM does not have to have logic as a base.


  41. @ Watching
    ” allow him his one moment in time”, Are you for real??? At the expense of the country?
    Your whole comment is about Stuart how, he feels, how he can take revenge on the E11. Do you relize that these people are not managing a clubhouse , but a COUNTRY?
    This is crazr!


  42. David
    Because certain members or member of the Eager11 are too eager to be PM and it has absolutely nothing to do about the country Barbados.
    I have said before it time that we mature as c country where those who want to run for Parliament need to have some kind of means test to try and separate the sheep from the wolves. As it is now anything or everything that crawls out of the wood work can become a candidate and with the luck of the draw become an MP. Case in point the St. John by-election any and everybody wanted to be a candidate because it is thought to be an easy seat to win for the DLP( no disrespect to Mrs Thompson). I am sure when Cynthia Forde decides to hang up her gloves the same will obtain in St Thomas.


  43. A citizin
    Yes I am for real because what sense would it serve to remove Stuart now. Not so long about we had so much in fighting in the DLP under Sandiford and what was the result it was several years before they could catch themselves . Bear in mind the DLP cannot remove Mr Stuart without the opposition’s support so why give the BLP more ammunition at this time to lessen their chances.
    Also is the BLP ready for the election at this time. Why throw the country into unneccessry turmoil a few more month is not long to wait. Patience please !! (he has to call elections by April/May 2013) but then again we have become a microwave /instant society.


  44. @ Watching
    Yes, you’re for real. But if I understand you correctly , you have absolutely no faith in the DLP MPs. Stuart according to you is the best from the lot, that’s all. You don’t think he’s all that great.
    If that’s what you think, why in heaven’s name would you want them for another term? Because you think that the BLP is worse than this sorry bunch?
    Lawd, help us.


  45. Today’s Nation quotes PM Stuart as accepting both praise and criticism with “phlegmatic serenity”.In my dictionary the adjective phlegmatic conveys a meaning of not easily excited or agitated;also sluggish and apathetic.Now bloggers all,you have heard it from the horse’s mouth.Stuart admits to being sluggish and apathetic.Admits to the bajanism”I.N.K”.So you see why this PM has no vision for Barbados!It’s not in his makeup.Up to this day we have not been told if he has read the report on Clico or Baico.He admits to not reading the result of the latest cadre poll.I support the view that PM Stuart will not be running again and will leave this announcement until the very last minute.The writing is on the wall.The Eager 11 will not go away.They recognise Stuart’s stewardship is going to cost them another term,therefore the internal agitation will surface again.


  46. @A citizin | May 23, 2012 at 4:12 PM |
    @ Watching
    ” allow him his one moment in time”, Are you for real??? At the expense of the country?
    Your whole comment is about Stuart how, he feels, how he can take revenge on the E11. Do you relize that these people are not managing a clubhouse , but a COUNTRY?
    This is crazr!
    =====================
    Exactly Citizen. That’s the mentality of small minds…they seem to forget that the management of the country should be first and foremost.


  47. @ac | May 23, 2012 at 5:20 PM |
    @zack
    I have an opinion like any body else wether you agree or not does not phase me !Stupid!
    ==============================
    Take it as you wish


  48. Thanks for the definition Richard.

    @others
    Stuart will run. It’s not in his makeup to drop out at the last minute.


  49. @ Caswell Franklyn

    Do you remember when OSA was first elected PM and how people used to cringe when he spoke? I remember clearly for the first 2 years or so his live public announcements were litter with bad grammer and he stuttered from one point to another. I remember being told by my parents that he was not PM material based on previous Pm’s of Barbados. How wrong did they turn out to be?

    I don’t say this to be critical of the OSA or to laugh at him, I am merely making the point that it takes time to grow into the shoes of PM and become an effective leader. I prefer oneone who takes their time and tries to get the decision right over one who thinks they have something to prove by making any decision so long at its quick.

    On polling day I suspect bajans will come to the conclusion “cuh dear, He ain’t do anyone anything and He is a decent man, lets leave him alone”


  50. $17 Million given (loaned) to BTA from NIS Fund…..Is that what the NIS Fund is for to pay wages ? …Labour stalwarts must be turning in their grave….of importance is the TIMING of the release of this impropriety…..when all attention is diverted elsewhere.Leadership problem will be but a miniscule in contrast to financial wreck the country will be in when this inept DLP administration exits.


  51. @Zack !

    take it as you wish!

    Indeed i did! i didn’t know you were that dumb to forward a response! any how have fun counting yuh chickens before they hatch


  52. Stupse.
    PM Stuart is a reflection of the entire Cabinet–don’t have a plan, never had a plan….make it up as we go along. The party came to power on PR and demagoguery–both mastered by the late David Thompson. He died and those two weapons/tactics deserted the party. If you examine Thompson’s policies and other pronouncements there were no more visionary than PM Stuart. “Barbados is more than an economy it is a society”? How profound!!! Thompson’s two Budgets were essentially about taxes and free bus fares, which was not even an election promise. The Manifesto…again PR.. no cohesive, realistic or visionary policies. That’s why unlike many here, what looks like the fast approaching demise of this administration does not surprise me one bit. I have been saying it since 2008.
    Governing requires action not all talk and it seems that too many of the Cabinet Ministers are lazy and indiscipline. That’s why the government may be burdened with Redjet, AX, CLICO, Four Seasons etc etc etc. Is it just the PM?
    On another note (which one could argue is related), only last week Minister Kellman stated that there would never be a fishing agreement yet this week PM Bissessar-Persad said otherwise. What is the truth?


  53. @ Zack

    You are entitled to your own opinion but you don’t have to be a pig. I guess when you are raised a pig, you don’t realise you’re a pig. Insults and screaming loud and hard won’t give you what it is you crave.


  54. Life is strange..
    David Thompson stabbed Sandiford in the back and with Leroy Parris allowed the 2003 campaign money to dry up then to get rid of Mascoll in a bid to win the post of PM. Then he died. Now the DLP would die to have Mascoll in their camp.

    Owen re-took the leadership after Thompson’s death and oust Mia Mottley. And I predict that after the BLP wins election in 2013, the majority of the BLP MPs will make Mia Mottley the PM thus inflicting the same act that Owen did to her.

    Life is strange. Do unto others as you would like done unto yourself!


  55. The discarded Alexandra teachers were having a good laugh today as queen retribution finally paid the St.Peter family a visit. I am told the staff room was alive…..the words on the march… “it’s not at all ended…we shall overcome…..faith brings wonders”…but a few comments and remarks.
    You are deserving.


  56. I will vote for the Dems cause I know when they win they will not put Stuart back there as PM. He is a complete waste of space and time. It is a pity that Chris claimed not to want the position – he would do a dman good job.

    It will therefore boil down to Sealy or Inniss. They are both good fellas and friends since HC days. I must confess that I like Sealy but Inniss works harder and is more decisive. He is much more of a leader and has good grasp of public finance, business and social services. He just may get the edge.
    of course if Bajans go for the Bees I hope we have a strong Opposition.


  57. @Watching 10:08 a.m.:

    I agree totally. The Eager 11 ministers and public blaming Stuart but it is not his fault. The DLP ministers are just not good enough. They are seen as untrustworthy and incompetent AND vision-less. Ronald Jones runningbehind football while the Alexandra saga was burning and all he cud do is holler hard and try to protect his friend. Byer Suckoo, Todd, Lowe, Blackett, Best all of them just a big bunch of waste. Michael Lashley and Sinckler are two tricksters alike, they like the camera and alot of whatthey say when you investigate is a bunch of lies especially Sinckler who can NEVER walk in Freundel’s shoes. IT IS NOT FREUNDEL fault he is being made a scapegoat.

    The BLP ministers on the other hand are known to be untrustworthy also butthey have vison and are competent so given these two choices we will go for the lesser of the two evils and the DLP is the lesser of teh two evils.


  58. @Prodigal Son

    no maybe the garbage truck, though, bearing in mind the nonsense you talk. I wont reply to you, so dont bother

    Here’s the real garbage, posting comments on one thread under the name Prodigal Son and then posting the identical comments under the pseudonym “Apollo 13” as you did a few weeks ago, Is that your modus operandi?

    You don’t have to respond to that either.


  59. @Fosforos 6.05pm
    You say Bajans used to cringe when OSA spoke and he used bad grammar?Both points are such bold untruths!!OSA is a highly qualified economist who as a very young UWI graduate scholar in Jamaica was snatched up by the Jamaican Government of the day to head its Bauxite portfolio.Further OSA returned to Barbados in the early 80’s and lectured at UWI Cave Hill in the Social Sciences faculty.I have no idea where your nonsense originated.OSA spoke standard English very well indeed.He joked to students that when he saw the word ‘statistics’ coming up he knew he was going to have a challenge with it.A stammer is nothing to be ashamed of.What might be said is that with the BLP having so many stars in its firmament in the 90’s,(indeed always)many were surprised when the party committee put him forward as the candidate most likely to lead the party successfully in the next election and in the position of Prime Minister.Barring unforseen circumstances,OSA will return the BLP to victory whenever the bell is rung,this year or early next year.


  60. @zack

    you see how easy it was for me to shut you up now go ahead answer me you dumb twirt you come up in here calling people names who the h..l do you think you are .the pen indeed is mighter than the sword guess what i learnt that from Wickham!.


  61. Imagine many people telling Stuart about his big words and Stuart drop teh words “phlegmatic serenity” on them. Stuart does barely be laughing at wunna. As for that teacher who said she dont understand what Stuart says, maybe you are a teacher at Princess Margaret or St George.

    Now to Stuart who sees himself as a good person and Owen as Barrabas and is of teh view that Bajans will choose him because he is NICE. You are sadly mistaken. Bajans are very selfish and dont-carish and hypocritical, dont think they are going to choose you over Barrabas. They prefer Barrabas once Barrabas is going to put more money in their pockets.


  62. The thread title says “a reason for Stuart to ponder”

    It is clear that he is not pondering any poles or disturbing his serenity. I guess there’s only so much more that can be said here.


  63. Hold on…. one last thing..Has anyone else noticed who has been completely silent on the DLP side since the poll?????


  64. A Citizen @4.44 pm

    If you got the impression that I would like to give the DLP a term I am very sorry for misleading you for it is far from the truth. I think that is bunch is the worse that this country has ever encounter and I hope the last. I will admit that I use to support them previously but as one gets older and start looking at things more objectively I lost all faith in the DLP. You are therefore right that Mr Stuart is the best of the worst. As Caswell said earlier I like a lot of Bajans might hold my nose and vote BLP if I vote at all.


  65. Observing; I haven’t seen anything from any of the the alleged main movers in the eager eleven. Could the game be afoot again?


  66. “This is indeed the “silly season”, I had to look twice to make sure the submission was from “balance” instead of “Unbalanced”. There is a word for this type of thinking it is called paranoia, if it continues seek professional help”

    i am proud to sat that i have never been a member of any polotical party so ‘paranoia’ would not fit my bill and i hope not yours. i do not expect eveyone on this blog to agree with everything i say but at least my comments are based on facts and free from bias.’.

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  67. Prodigal son
    ” why did it take nearly five full months for the PM to announce a GG ” ?
    it is not the length of time that bothers me prodigal for we a;ll know by now that mr stuart’s decisions come in phases and why shoulld we expect the appointment to the post of governor general to be any different. it is true that the post of governor general is only symbolic and there is lttle work to be done but i was concerned when i read that mr belgrave is 81.shiver me timbers but i really must wonder if thoughtfulness went into the decision to appoint a governor-general in the twilight of his years. ” the days of our life are threescore years and ten and though men be so strong that they go to fourscore years yet is their life nothing but sorrow for soon passeth it away and there are gone” mr belgrave is a very fine gentleman, i wish him well as he embarks on this new journey in service to the nation.


  68. “Be careful, I have taken a lot of abuse for coming to the same conclusions.Let’s face it, Stuart is not the ideal leader, but who is? Yes, he is slow to act, but I am yet to hear anybody say that he is a crook. Quite frankly, I prefer an honest man who is slow to make decisions to a speedy crook any day”

    do not forget bro franklyn that mr stuart is not seasoned in yet and obviously should/would be loathe to do anything which would invite criticism about corruptio. perhaps we need to give him some time in the office before we can judge him on that score. remember that mr arthur was not accused of corruption until his last term.


    • @balance

      do not forget bro franklyn that mr stuart is not seasoned in yet and obviously should/would be loathe to do anything which would invite criticism about corruptio. perhaps we need to give him some time in the office before we can judge him on that score. remember that mr arthur was not accused of corruption until his last term.

      What a disingenuous statement to make. One can only judge a man based on what is there to judge.


  69. Stuart and the DLP are running a country not a 2*2 house. How can we seriously talk about giving them time and a chance to do what is right. The country is similar to the human body. Would any of you give a doctor time to get it right on you if you knew he wasnt competent?

    As I have said before, Stuart is a scapegoat. The real poor performers are the ministers he inherited. Even David Thompson tried reshuffling his cabinet several times because he knew how incompetent they were.


  70. @ Check-it
    Re Alexandra……some teachers just had a much needed opp to exhale…… in light of what’s prevailing polls n all.


  71. @Str8
    The Eager 11 ministers and public blaming Stuart but it is not his fault. The DLP ministers are just not good enough. They are seen as untrustworthy and incompetent AND vision-less.
    *********************************
    The Eager 11 should be accorded some privilege, don’t you think..remember they offered the leader a chance to step down.
    When the company fails …the CEO is to be responsible….(even for workers errs)..don’t forget.The buck stops there.


  72. “The real poor performers are the ministers he inherited.”

    This is further argument for stamping that mandate back in December 2010. Shape the cabinet in your image with your vision. David was/is a strong advocate for that. If you work with what you were left, you have to take what they have left to give. Also, has anyone ever heard FS speak in public praise and adulation of any of his ministers??


  73. @Observing
    Freundel is neither inflated by praise or deflated by criticism. He takes both with phlegmatic serenity. We can extrapolate he is not too concerned with his ministers’ performance. then again they have not performed.


  74. Observing, re. your 7.50 am post.

    Its a leadership style that is quite strange.

    Some of the earlier prime ministers insisted on fawning respect from their ministers but could never be said to have dissed them in public. In public they were praised even if undeservedly.

    FS has a different modus operandi. He indirectly disses them and I can’t remember seeing anywhere where he praised any of them.

    Another characteristic that might throw some spanners in the works.

    Have you also noted a very strong “I am always right” type of personality showing through?


  75. @old onions
    why wasnt Principal Jeff Broomes fired then and he is teh CEO of the school. tek dat.


  76. @Observing

    This is further argument for stamping that mandate back in December 2010. Shape the cabinet in your image with your vision
    ***********

    As I said before you are usually astute in your analysis, but you’ve dropped the ball once again. Stuart’s selection was one of compromise after the Parliamentary group was unable to reach agreement on the contenders for the job (Sinckler and Estwick) who were vying for the crown. In accepting the compromise Stuart implicitly agreed to the demand not to upset the apple cart but to maintain the status quo.

    Politics is often about compromise, you don’t believe me? Look no further than Owen and Mia.


  77. You see one of the reasons why I like Freundel: he always teaches me something. Prior to his “phlegmatic serenity” remarks, I was only aware of one meaning of the word, “phlegm”. Thank you Freundel!


  78. @Sargeant
    “In accepting the compromise Stuart implicitly agreed to the demand not to upset the apple cart but to maintain the status quo”

    the “status quo” was a party popular with independents and young people. Who spoke to a vision and philosophy of working for all, protecting the needy, communicating with the people, being accountable and transparent and holding the flames of those who had robbed and pillaged us prior to 2008 to the fire.

    I can now ask. Has the status quo remained?
    Is Stuart’s vision Thompson’s vision?
    Is the party of 2008 that of 1994? Is the party of 2012 that of 2008?
    Are the team operations in 2012 the same as those in 2010?

    If the answers to any of these are no, then, Stuart MUST (should have) led his team in the way HE chooses to. If what we’re seeing IS his the way he choose to, then the electorate will make a final determination on that.

    Also, if the leader of a country in a time of crisis which necessitates action , communication and effectiveness cannot place his chess pieces on the board in the positions that he wants and needs them simply for the sake of “compromise” and not upsetting an apple cart, then my view of that leader would be severely damaged. I hope for Freundel’s sake that you are not correct. That would make his lot even worse than it is right now.


  79. What a disingenuous statement to make. One can only judge a man based on what is there to judge.”
    call the statment what you like but it is factual and relevant to the discussion of allegations of corruption against mr arthur in his last term and holding up mr stuart as squeaky clean in his first term of office. i never accused mr stuart of anything other than incompetent leadership and his frequent fauxpas. i am on record as saying mr stuart has proven to be an approachable politician. he can get my vote before the pompous(do not accuse me of disingenuousity now )mr lynch.mr thompson captured the imagination of the floating vote in haggat hall with his promise to fight and stamp out corrption in politics. now,the clico scandal now on the backburner seemsthat he was not so clean after all.


    • @balance

      Lets get this right, based on allegations which this government has not been able to prove you are willing to run with that? Yet in another breathe you preach about being balanced?


  80. “I agree totally. The Eager 11 ministers and public blaming Stuart but it is not his fault. The DLP ministers are just not good enough. They are seen as untrustworthy and incompetent AND vision-less”

    sir brandford the elder stateman said so in an interview recently and it is instructive that none of the dlp bloggers attacked mr taitt but chose not to comment on his remarks because perhaps they believe what mr taitt was saying is true; lest you forget, it was the same eager 11 who voted for mr stuart to become their leader.and it is the same eager 11 who could vote him out.

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