Development At What Price Pat Hoyos? The Fight By Bajans To Own What Land Is Left

Pat Hoyos – Publisher, Hoyos Publishing Inc

Paul Doyle’s plan to transform Skeete’s Bay into a bustle by building a restaurant to complement the others he owns located at the Crane Hotel has had to be shelved.  Doyle has Mac Fingall to thank for putting a spoke in his wheel. It is a little over a week Mac went public with his concerns about Doyle’s Skeete’s Bay Culpepper Beach Houses project – Mac Fingall And St. Philip Residents ‘Fighting Back’ To Protect Their Way Of Life At Skeetes Bay which is pending Town Planning approval.

Since this project was forced to the public at the Town Hall meeting held at St. Catherine’s Sports Club, an obvious public relations job has been triggered in the local media. Pat Hoyos’s piece in the Sunday Sun [19/02/2012] titled ‘Ragga ragga Mac’ caught the eye today when he attacked Mac Fingall for vocalizing his concerns that Barbados was fast becoming a concrete jungle. To quote Hoyos, he labelled Mac’s protestation about how he viewed development in his parish as ‘one of the most awful anti-development rants I have ever heard’.  After reading Hoyos’s article it became obvious Mac Fingall was operating at a level which left Hoyos in his wake. It is obvious Mac’s reference to slavery had to do with the outcome if Barbadians continue to sell and allow ‘others’ to develop our finite resource, the land! The result will be that these fields and hills we call our own today will not be ours tomorrow.

What intelligent Barbadians gleaned from Mac’s position about the West and South coast taking the form of concrete jungles, is to question whether such a policy is sustainable. What is the social cost of continuing with the policy? It has absolutely nothing to do with being anti-development and the St. Philip posse wanting to guard their way of life. To support Mac Fingall’s concern one only has to look at how Spain having invested billions in its tourist product is struggling mightily to attract tourists today. Today’s tourists are also spending less.

One of the freedoms enjoyed by the BU household is that we have no advertisers or sponsors to brown nose. We do not own a Who’s Who magazine which is dependent on the business community for its success. We can write how we freely feel on the issues. Pat Hoyos was out of line to ridicule Mac for expressing concern about how the pace of development has impacted the lives of Bajans.

Development at what price Mr. Hoyos?

108 thoughts on “Development At What Price Pat Hoyos? The Fight By Bajans To Own What Land Is Left


  1. Brother David (B.U.)
    This is why we need to petition for there to be a move to pressure the government to one:
    -Tax foreigners heavily when it comes to buying and owning real-estate on an annual basis.
    -Issue hefty fees for a license in order for the descendants of foreign land owners to inherit he property.
    -Issue taxes that by the acreage and square footage of the property as well as property developments/settlement-buildings/houses.
    -Raise the standard of property price range into the tens of millions of dollars along with downsizing the property development sizes when it comes to foreigners and real-estate.
    -Allow for their to be the incentive for foreigners to lease land instead of purchasing it by making it out of their price range.

    @ Everyone else
    The reason for these measures being that Barbados doesn’t have much land and we cannot become an oversized tourist resort. I feel like I keep saying this AND YET no one chooses to hear me out.

    I beg and I beg for a voice only to be left out in the silence and people still choose to complain and gripe about how unfair the situation is instead of mobilizing in opposition to the trend. I ask for people to sign my petition and up to now no one has acted so what is the point of you people complaining if you are not even going to take the initiative to act? GOD, Bajan people frustrate me so!


  2. God Help the Bajan people….
    For I fear that as a society our short-sightedness has proven to be oh-so crippling to the Bajan psyche it would seem…..


  3. I submitted a piece to The Barbados Today titled **STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN* and it was printed. I have been saying this for quite sometime regarding how Barbados is being developed into A CONCRETE JUNGLE. Barbados was once the GEM OF THE CARIBBEAN, where people enjoyed its NATURAL BEAUTY. But now with this constant delevopment. Barbados is being sold to outsiders at a rapid rate. It wouldn’t be long before the better part of Barbados will belong to outsiders. It seems that to the government and some others, money comes before the interest of the LITTL MAN. Depending on others to provide for the good of Barbados is like going backwards. Barbadians fought, and struggled to be SELF SUFFICIENT. This dependency on tourism is like putting all your eggs in one basket. Mac Fingall and the commnity of St.Philip has the right to STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN; Hoyos or anyone else for that matter can say whatever they care to say about what Mac Fingall and the community in St.Philip is doing all they want to. I AGREE 110% with Mac Fingall’s stance. Because Barbados is being changed so much that it’s becoming so different from the Barbados that many of us LOVED as it was. I am not against development. But when do you STOP destroying THE NATURAL GOD GIVEN BEAUTY of Barbados for concrete??


  4. I was in some classes with Patrick Hoyos at Kolij. He is a middle to upper class Bajan who could not understand the concept of chillin out in a fish market on a regular basis.

    Patrick was a nice fellow at school.

    A fish market in rural Barbados is like a “community centre”. The ones I frequented(there were two of them) while at Kolij were places where the men in the neighborhood congregated and played Draughts,Dominoes and Hearts.

    It could be difficult to understand Mac’s position if you do not have that type of community imprinted in you DNA.

    We have already sacrificed the West and South Coasts. We should pause and think before we create a concrete doughnut.


  5. you know what is funny? who is selling the land? BAJANS. who is selling the big businesses in Barbados? BAJANS.

    this BS about the government need to do this and that is so much shite. i pay for my land and if i want to, i will sell to the highest or lowest buyer or tell the buyers to kiss my as…pen. AND i love my country just as much as you.

    Mac’s reference to slavery, was very distasteful and it really shows the level to which persons will go to make a point. who the hell are you to tell me what to do with my land? is that not in its self, slavery? give me a break.

    on Pat’s article, i know him personally and when i see him will have to call him “Ragga ragga Pat” because i really don’t understand what is his point with that article. Also having worked with the man, i can tell you he is not one to sell out an ad, so BU you are dead wrong on that one.


  6. Three cheers for Mac and those who suported the idea of ‘no more developement…….!
    We should all be supportive of the same idea which Ireland took; that is, ‘no more new building of houses until all existing buildings are sold’.
    Barbados is a concrete jungle, built for the rich to hide and launder their ill-gotten gains at the expense of our future generation.
    What is the reasoning behind it all? Jobs, foreign exchange; when in fact, the only jobs are those maids and gardeners.

    If I can remember well, I read an article, allegedly written by an ex-Prime Minister, in a leading newspaper, that he ‘was saddened at the sight of the west coast concrete jungle……..!’
    The fact that he travelled that route on his way to work daily, at leading institution, brings to mind, was he wearing blinkers or did it sprung up overnight?


  7. In London it is common for attractive properties to be sold as leasehold land – not freehold. Purchasers acquire the right to use the property for 100 years.

    Time to do the same in Barbados.


  8. @ David
    You are sadly mistaken. It is the responsibility of the government to implement measures in order to limit the amount of land being bought up. Might I stress that Bim is fairly low in landmass? We cannot afford to have an uncontrolled market in which real-estate companies (whether foreign or not) are selling off the nation’s acreage as if it were some plot of soil that had an unlimited amount of space. The fact of the matter is, Bajans need the land where as foreigners don’t which equates to the stakes being much higher for us. We could soon have a situation in which Bajan citizens are subject to policies that will infringe on their daily lives because of the statutes that would be introduced in order to better accommodate the infrastructure of Barbados.

    TO sit there and say that you don’t care is basically gleefully signing your death certificate. What I am arguing here is that the government should initiate land protection laws that are like that of Bermuda’s. Maybe not as extreme in some points, but it would most certainly be needed in our case.


  9. @ David
    As for the slavery comment, it would most certainly be appropriate because should one were to look at the trends of Barbados from a macro-economic standpoint; any one would agree that the current paradigm which is being played out on an economic as well as a political level would agree that Barbados is essentially becoming an urbanized slave plantation in which the citizens are subject to work in the service industries (almost exclusively) for rich foreign customers. This truth existing while that land is being developed quickly before the eyes of Bajans.

    And you sit there and bawl that you paid for your land and that it is your earned right to own it. You haven’t even considered the fact that should the nation’s real estate market get out of hand, that the nation’s landscape could become over developed and that could lead to the government tearing down your home and vanquishing your property rights in favor of a foreign development.

    I wouldn’t sit too comfortably if I were you brother David. If anything, I would be nervous and outraged….


  10. Barbadians have the ability to change almost anything on this small speck of land – Barbados . Will we hold an important single idea or ideology and treasure it so much that those elected will have to act? No! we scurry around making loud noises about being against the B’s or D’s. In the interim “concrete brutalization” gathers pace, singularly for others to cavort, whilst large sections of the majority population make do with standing in line for expected NHS habitation.

    “Together-ness” is foreign to the Barbadian way of thinking, so we are picked off one by one. Until we see that there are people – Barbadians – who live in Barbados but that their agenda is completely different to that of the majority population……..we are doomed.


  11. @David (Not BU)

    When Doyle bought his 50 acres at Whitehaven four years ago he did so full in the knowledge that his application for change of use would be approved. Government is responsible for enabling policy which protects the national interest. To be satisfied in a policy where land fetched its highest economic value is myopic. In 20 or 30 years when Barbados is owned by ‘others’ what then? Why do some of our neigbouring islands have alien land holding laws enacted?


    • This song by Mac a little while back explains how these people feel about their space, it needs to be respected.


  12. This project creates the need for us to strike a balance between ,NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT on the one hand and all its attendant benefits AND disadvantages , and the IDEAL of a wish to see our country, as far as possible, retain its pristine state. It does not afford the implementation of any easy solutions. Any dream of keeping out FURTHER development on grounds of aesthetics and folk experience ..” we played there as children ” , is nothing but a pipe dream and cannot NOW be taken seriously. And certainly ones right to sell ones land to whomsoever one pleases is so deeply rooted in our local practice and culture that it would be well nigh impossible, given the need to be realistic about the need for further national development , to turn it around. Loud talk and emotionalism will not provide a solution to the Skeetes Bay debate.


    • @An Observer

      While loud talk and emotionalism will not provide a solution it may serve as the catalyst for the debate we need to have.

      BU cannot see anyone better than Mac et al from the picturesque village of Bayfield to lead the debate.

      Rest assured the national pulpit and the power they have via their profession will make them hard to ignore.

      It is an election year afteral.


  13. Mac’s song here posted is a delightful little ditty but alas, FIFTY YEARS behind in its realistic present-day relevance.The Bayfield Town being sung about NO LONGER EXISTS AND HAS NOT EXISTED FOR ABOUT FIFTY YEARS.
    I however empathise and identify with the sentiments expressed in the song having been brought up in a rural village as well.


    • @An Observer

      What is your definition of ‘practical’?

      Arthur is on record admitting that real estate FDI is the only option his government at time had to bridge the shortfall in revenues i.e. tourist receipts plus other to finance our expenditures. Is this sustainable?

      Don’t we have the wherewithal to leverage our investment in education and ‘restructure’ recalibrate the fundamentals of the economy?

      What is clear is that what we are currently doing is not sustainable and on our present path the brand which we use to sell as part of our tourism cachet is being eroded by the day.


  14. @ David
    A dictionary definition of ” practical ” will not suffice so let us look at some of the considerations that DEVELOPMENT of the magnitude which the project promises may bring to Bayfield in particular and Barbados in general…..
    JOBS of many sorts which is a major consideration whenever the word development is whispered in our present economic development ; jobs also bring ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY..how much and for how long would be purely speculative but the manner in which Barbados has developed over the past fifty years must raise this consideration. In addition, we must weigh the benefit of having this tract of land remain in its pristine state against the benefit of making it productive..I think you should pick up my drift by now..
    Thanks for engaging me.


  15. What is wrong with leasing this land to Mr. Doyle for this development? When shall we Bajans stop being so small island minded and really seek opportunities for development. No song by Mac or Plastic bag or Gabby shall bring the funds or thoughts to develop this piece of real estate. Look at Martins Bay that too needs such an injection of development. when tourists are touring the island there is no proper places to take them that would ensure that bajans are part of the expenditure that comes form their visit.


  16. One major point missing from the debate on investment in land and other projects in Barbados is the “other” significant cost to Bajans i.e. how much money will end up in overseas bank accounts? This is an important concern and usually a huge cost which has to be borne by us all to the detriment of our country.

    How much tax free money is sitting in overseas bank accounts which we could be putting to far better use NOW here in Barbados? Is anything being done to locate and repatriate these proceeds of crime and bring the criminals to justice?

    It is about time this open door was closed!


    • @An Observer

      There is the social cost to the argument.

      There is also the reality that we continue to build on the tourist model which in a new world is showing itself to be generating diminishing returns.

      The reality also is that Doyle has purchased the land already and he would have done so on the expectation that he could development the land.


  17. My simplistic analysis suggest that the medium term benefit of villa development is not a big earner of foreign exchange.

    Canadian builds a villa. all the materials are imported except for concrete blocks and some sand.
    When villa is completed it is lived in or rented.

    What does the Canadian do with the profits from his investment? How much is he allowed to return to Canada or the Cayman’s?

    I am also interested to know what is the roi per sq. ft of a Villa , a Hotel or a manufacturing plant.

    The reason i ask this is that I know of a factory in Toronto that is in a 200,000 sq. ft. building,employs 400+ people and sells $150million in products per year.

    It begs the question. Should Barbados be aggressively pursuing light high value industrial development as a substitute for Tourism development.

    We need to have a balanced discussion about what kind of life the average Bajan will have. I know some of you vacation overseas including in Toronto but you are not the majority.


  18. @ David.
    Objectively, we are on the same wave length and we have both exposed some of the difficulties being faced by all parties interested in the project. your observation that Doyle has already purchased the land and would have done so on the expectation of being able to develop it is very apposite .


  19. Folks the argument that we need to preserve our heritage is most worthy of discussion. The problem is that Govt has not developed an All Encompassing Master Plan on land use, tourism, job creation etc Politicians who permit wild development can make far too much money with impunity and stash it overseas. Who says that corruption doesnt pay? This type of behavior has been observed for thousands of years from Mesopotamia through the Greek/ Roman Empires to modern day Europe, Africa, US et al.

    Where are the true statesmanlike leaders in Bim who appreciate the epic problems in the Western Financial World and intend to stop the partisan bickering and corruption, in order to solve the impending( and current) massive threats to Bim from both sides of the Atlantic. (this is tantamount to tuberculosis, aggressive cancer and a heart attack striking in tandem)? This is what we all have to call for NOW as it may already be too late!

    What we actually have is very poor management whereby Govt is expending big $$$$ in the Civil Service with little monitoring and control eg many peeps working in the MCW who “work 2hr days” for full pay. Bim’s debt to GDP is already stratospheric and income slowing with the additional trouble emanating from the West. Collapse is on the horizon and yet so called leaders are hiding under their desks. Building a new hospital and other badly needed infrastructure is a good idea to create jobs BUT how much will it cost and how much will be overcharged to fill the pols coffers?

    We all must be focused on this big picture and Bajans must howl their insistence for efficient and effective leadership and planning in this environment.


    • A big irony exposed by this transaction is the fact that the Sam Lord’s Castle property, dilapidated though it is, remains locked in order papers awaiting debate in parliament.

      What a waste that 40 acres on one of our South east coastline has to be maligned and the rat infested and derelict property further East remains abandoned.

      Who said we have become educated fools?


  20. @Moneybrain wrote “epic problems in the Western Financial World and intend to stop the partisan bickering and corruption, in order to solve the impending( and current) massive threats to Bim from both sides of the Atlantic.”

    A very profound statement. You sure your name isn’t Don Drummond?


  21. And how many Bajans can and do go to Canada, buy property and develop it without encumberances and the howl of “foreigners and freedom” ?
    How many Bajan- Canadians live in Barbados and rape OHIP when they get sick?
    How many Bajans send their children to study in Canada and get an education to the benefit of Barbados when they return.
    How many Bajan work on the farm program in Canada ( and there are mal contents who are lazy ,so typical; read today’s nation )
    Our way of life ?? stupse; try garbage dumping
    And lastly, when is a person is no longer a foreigner in Barbados. for you hypocrites who live and study in Canada ,USA and wherever, give up your citizenship and other status, then you can lecture others about being foreign to Barbados


  22. @Hants
    For the record, I have been aware of what DD had to say for at least 3+ yrs.
    Hudak is an idiot for NOT shredding Mc Goofy in the last election. Mc G has not only increased spending by gargantuan proportions but has taxed the crap out of us with poor management to boot. He would not have got a 3rd term in Bim!

    It is interesting that you would focus on this when Bim is crying for leadership. We all must focus on that!


    • The arrogance of Pat Hoyos when challenged on the talk show about his article (see link in article) he avoids.

      This is part of our problem where we are not allowed to hold these guys accountable for positions taken in the public sphere.


  23. @Lazy
    I would agree that there is abuse as you contend. However, your point about Bajans buying property in Canada is a MAJOR FAIL! Your knowledge of geography requires enhancement since Canada is the second largest country on Earth and Bim is easily close to smallest. It should not require significant IQ to figure out that land use policy/ foreign ownership in Bim is far more critical.


  24. Doyle can offer 300 jobs and much needed foreign exchange. Mac Fingall can only offer Barbados a joke, not even the “Run for your money tv show” because SuperCentre aint even want him anymore.

    Skeets Bay fish market has about 3 fishermen and 3-4 government employees. Why should a fish market in this day and age be continues to operate with only 3 fishermen and they are more employees than fishermen. I say let them go to Consett.

    If Fingall wants to do so much for St Philip, why he dont help the young boys in St philip who killing and robbing or even go to the school where the boy get stab up?


    • @David (Not BU)

      What is there to comment on Str8’s comment?

      The point has been made that we need a balance in how we develop Barbados.

      The overriding reason cannot be economic consideration, it must be done in a social context.

      What is so hard about that to understand?

      He never addressed this view.

      We have not added that the tourist model is tired and we need to diversify.


  25. I like it when people think that their money can isolate them from anything, and feeling that it is only the dispossessed who have to worry. Look at crime, some behave as those the pain and suffering of others is inconsequential and would never touch them. Like the hardship that has begun to touch our middle class, that too can “trickle up”! Shouting democracy yet never liking or wanting the dissenting view on anything and eager to label people as rabble-rousers gums up the dialogue. Not only does this word mean trouble maker but carries the moniker of mental lulliputin, micro cephalic, clown and all the other thought of someone who came to town by the last bus. How about Martin Luther King, Clement Payne, Shirley Chilsom, Susan B.Anthony, Eric Sealy, they all got the current social narrative going in the minds of the wider public. I abhor “straight talk” that is couched in political double-speak by members of the Communist Party Central. These apparatchicks only listen and rever the other members of the Politburo, any other person is “talking foolishness “


  26. @lazy
    I was born here yet my Blood is as Bajan as Flying Fish & Cou-Cou. I didn’t “CHOOSE” to move here, rather it was my parents due to a lack of employment in the 80’s. And FYI, I do have plans on returning to Bim and to help develop Bim in an ENVIRONMENTALLY as well as ECONOMICALLY sustainable basis.

    Let’s be real here, Bajans don’t have any real companies to boast of. In fact our industry is is suffering. Malta is in a much better situation than Barbados due to the fact that many companies are Maltese owned.


  27. @Moneybrain wrote,”It is interesting that you would focus on this when Bim is crying for leadership. We all must focus on that!

    I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I live and work primarily in Toronto.

    Like a lot of Bajans living in Canada, I follow the politics in both countries because I have material interests in both countries.


  28. @Hants
    So you saying that you chewing gum while Bim burns.

    Multi-tasking sounds great BUT focusing on the primary problem takes precedence.

    You are sure right that Cnd Unis and Medical Schools make big $$$$$ from Bim.


  29. Bruda Bim
    Malta is in a much better situation than Barbados due to the fact that many companies are Maltese owned.

    At present ANY PLACE you could name including Guyana is in a better financial position that BIM today. So Brudds, we need you to use your influence here to help us rid of these Clowns…if you have any


    • To those who have never experienced the ‘in the wild’ feeling which Skeete’s Bay provides here see if you can conjure up the feel from the pic.

      Bear in mind Doyle was forced to back off the ‘optional’ restaurant idea but Mac and co seem to be going after the development now.


  30. @Moneybrain,

    Happy family day.

    As David will tell you, I always try to make a meaningful contribution on this blog.

    I ain’t no rich man like you but I can assure you that money I earned in Barbados was all spent in Barbados.

    I also have confidence that the better educated and more intelligent Bajans living in Barbados don’t need my help. All de Kolij boys who went school with me are far more successful than me so there is hope that they will not let Barbados burn.

    Plus they have a moneybrain to advise them.


  31. From Nationnews “WHEN THE EARL AND COUNTESS of Wessex visit Barbados later this week, wherever they go they will most likely see the best face of the island.

    Preparations are in full swing to upgrade, renovate and clean up the areas the royal couple will visit and the routes the two will travel are also being spruced up.”

    As a Tourist destination should this not be done on an ongoing basis?


  32. David I went fishing there in the early 80s. Beautiful place to hang out.

    Did a lot of fishing from Bath to Skeetes bay. Used to fish off the cliffs below college savannah.


    • @Hants

      There is still the natural element and uncrowded feel to the St. Philip coastline.

      Let us pray and hope our governments exercise some good sense.

      As you drive along St. Philip there is Foul Bay, Long Bay, Peat Bay, Bottom Bay,Skeete’s Bay, Consett Bay, Martins Bay.

      Why the hell would we want to spoil this coastline?


  33. David wrote “We have not added that the tourist model is tired and we need to diversify.”

    The Tourist model needs to be refurbished,updated,enhanced,fine tuned or whatever you want to call it but Tourism is still good for Barbados.

    What Barbados needs is new Industries in addition to those that exist. Industries that will provide medium to long term employment.


  34. David wrote “Why the hell would we want to spoil this coastline?”

    because it is difficult to resist temptation.
    Those commisions ,finders fees and legal fees are like manna from heaven.


  35. @ Visionary
    Thank You brother. I will do all that I can to help spread the awareness however I will be needing the help from people like YOU to have the initiative to get going. I need your help in getting the word out. You realize that Malta is smaller than Bim in geography yet her population is greater than ours, not to mention that she owns a bustling manufacturing industry. Malta has certainly got it going on for herself right now, and we need to mobilize and take charge.

    Please Go to this link to sign my petition at: http://www.ipetitions.com/Protocal4Bim

    Please sign my petition to help pressure the government to act now in further establishing the nation’s productive industries.


  36. @ hants | February 20, 2012 at 4:43 PM |

    What industries, what?
    Bim can’t even produce molasses for its major “industry’ rum production. All people with money in Bim are interested in are importing items to sell or real estate deals. Check the news that Cos -U-Less could soon be in Bim. More leakage of forex!
    Even the local Chinese business people will soon be setting up agencies to import from Mainland China solar heating and electrical systems to install at local and regional households and small business premises (assembled in Caricom). Wait and see!


  37. Owen was of the view that sections of the cost should be maximised for its economic use. Avinash supported him. DLP said NO.

    Does anyone care to say which party is giving the go-ahead for Doyle to build the villas?

    Bajans really need to tell the truth and be honest. The DLP has not done anything different from the BLP in terms of policy.

    @David: Crane is booked 100% at the moment while other hotels are struggling.

    Mac Fingall can get his family to lease the land for 99 years.


    • @Str8 Up

      “Crane is booked 100% at the moment while other hotels are struggling.

      Mac Fingall can get his family to lease the land for 99 years.”

      What is your point?


  38. Is the Crane “development” complete? My understanding of development and developers includes the possibility that a new project may be needed to keep an old one going?
    http://caymannewsservice.com/politics/2011/09/12/ryan-wants-crown-land
    this Ritz Carlton gets top reviews but the project is some 15 yrs old and not complete and the developer keeps asking for more . more concessions more….. From colombus to skeete’s bay!


  39. @ David:
    When all the emotional furore is over, Doyle will still be allowed to build the villas. I can wager $5000 of my money I made from digging graves.


  40. St Catherines Cricket sports club can be further developed into a multi-use facility for football and also be used for Dominoes, cards etc.
    Doyle can purchase all the fish that the fishermen catch just to show how minimal the catches are. There are always pathways and access to the bays and beaches which I think should now be legislated so that wide enough access is allowed.

    Look at SamLords Castle and the other old ruined building from SamLords castle coming up. Are these preferable over villas that bring in foreign exchange and allow us to give away free bus-rides, summer camps etc. Give me a break!

    Emotion vs Reality and pragmatism: I am on the side of reality and pragmatism.


    • @Str8 Up

      So you would be disposed to the proposals for developments at Estbourne and Ragged Point to move ahead?


  41. @ Str8 Up | February 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM |
    “When all the emotional furore is over, Doyle will still be allowed to build the villas.”
    Got that right! Bim has already sold it soul at the alter of conspicuous consumption that can’t exist without foreign money.

    Mac and those with genuine concerns (including me) about the concreting of the East Coast will be sadly let down by the pols. The East Coast is the lungs of this Country bringing fresh, reviving and cooling air from the Atlantic Ocean. Expanding concrete near to the shore would only pollute the pristine beauty and freshness of the island. Visitors are not interested in concrete buildings or artificial environments any more. Leave that to Disney World and the like.


  42. David
    Did you expect anything different from Pat Hoyos? He is either sarcastic or arrogant on the show. You can also conclude that he is supporting the Development because of the colour of the developer.
    This present government must start to get the picture of where Barbadians stand on these issues. They will not tolerate the most scenic parts of this island turning into concrete jungles.
    We do not care how much foreign exchange it will bring. They always promise these things and then the people have to pass through small tracks to get to the beaches on the west coast.

    Where does the National Trust stand on this issue or they only interested in buildings. I would prefer if they lick down an old Dutch style building than develop the area around Culpeper onto skeet’s Bay.

    What do you expect from Str8 up? That is why I want to keep him far from the government power again.


  43. I am sure David Thompson outlined the parts of the coast that should not be developed. If my memory serves me correct, it does not include Skeete Bay. If there is a petition to widen or lengthen that protected stretch so be but to just protect Skeetes Bay NO. It is not any picturesque magical area and the activities conducted there can be done elsewhere much more efficiently.
    Let me repeat, i would sign any petition to lengthen the protected stretch of coastline that should remain undisturbed but if we accept the current protected stretch is sufficient, i can see no reason Doyle shouldnt be given a 100% go-ahead on the project.

    3 fishermen vs 300 hotel workers and many indirect employees and entrepreneurs. Seriously this is not a sensible discussion.


  44. str8 just to put the record straight- daivid thompson only outlined swhat was in the physical develoment plan long before he came to power and apparently the aspects of the plan did not apply to him since he went merrily along and ignored the plan and together with mr parris built one of the most unsightly structures on the rugged and beautiful martins bay coastline.so mrstr8, you can take mr thompson’s outlining for what it is worth.


  45. i once read somewhere that “patriotism is the virtue of the vicious” and the emotional and vicious comments directed to mr doyle on the blog because he wants to invest his money in an area which would mash the corns of a popular bajan personality seems to suggest just that. but why was there no protest when a developer was allowed to fence around a widely used access to a beach in marley vale with the fence almost going through evelyn skeete’s kitchen window? but that is how we bajans is only jumpin pun the band wagon dependin upon who it is; but on anoter note. Are we saying no tourism development now or only at our price and if not at our price what next? and if not at our price why go cap in hand to the mother country seeking investors to restart the four seasons project? and if not at our price, why inveigle the nib board to invest millions of dollars of pension money in a project which carries substantial risk in this uncertain economic climate because it has the potential to provide jobs even if for not too long? and if not at any price, why allow the four season project to be constructed along a coastline popularly used by bajans? where is the consistency?


  46. Where was the outrage four years ago when the dead king altered the boundaries of the protected national park area to exclude much of the st. Phillip coast line? Mac +co may as well relax themselves and take the money and try to negoitiate for other improvements to their community because Mr Doyle’s development will go ahead including the restaurant even if the restaurant is delayed by a year or two. Let’s not forget the other recently approved and launched develoments along the St Phillip coast line, Merricks and Long Bay, while Sam Lord’s Castle of historical importance to a government that is preaching heritage tourism is a burnt out derelict that will cost the tax payers of this country more millions to get it out if the hands of Clico.


  47. @str8 up-Seriously this is not a sensible discussion.

    With Fingall as lead discussant to boot btw doesnt he have a green card and live in the States when the uneplyoment rate hits 18% and Dodds full my money on Mac fingall to disappear to America so will Doyle with his investment. We shooting ourselves in the foot listening to foolish Fingall ignorant arguments but Duke of York’s angle is a mystery.


    • Amazing how we keep pulling reasons from the past to explain what is happening in the now.

      That we as educated citizens would so glibly destroy our coastline, the one thing which makes us unique and supports the Bajan brand is absolutely disgusting.

      Interesting to note that Indar Weir the BLP candidate is against the development and Minister Lashley appears to be impartial.

      But it is an election year. What the people should do is exact a position from government and Opposition.


  48. lashley has a cash strapped govt to run and needs money to provide houses to keep his house building record intact; indar weir is a buuding politician whose voice carries no weight and who can talk any gibberage or support any cause out of political expediency.


    • Let us hope that when Mac meets with the residents of the area this week he does not decide to go national with his lobby.

      In an election year it is a good time to do his thing a la what he did at Lodge School.


  49. To Lashley and Co.
    Thread wisely, Thread lightly.
    St.Philip taking note. Can’t understand why is always what foreigners want, foreigners get.They have a cash strapped Govt (balance) ?? who is to blame fa dat..? When you could blow $2 billion OAS left there in reserves… a dead king thgt it would never end ..so spend spend spend….So what you bought to show in terms of assets? One school.and nuff nuff nuff party boy…we got CLICO connections so we party Basia style boy.Six rd…so St.Philip cross rd, surely you guys remember….So we got to put we hand in Doyle D lion mouth …surely you Philipians understand…..we run outta blienzas.We get catch wid we hand in de lion mout by Mac and he Pac…stupesss.


    • @David (Not BU)

      No doubt race plays in the minds of some but in the main most Bajans are fed up with the concrete jungle which has sprung up on our coastline.

      This is the issue, protecting what is left of our coastline.


  50. The irony of this whole situation, is the fact that part of Whitsire plantation will be developed, that means more arable land being removed. Here we have many born and bred bajans who are constantly being refused permission to build more than one house on a family plot, because, as the government says, the land is arable land, yet we can see all over this country the rich both local and foreign purchasing lots of arable land and developing, or putting lots up for sale, while the children of parents with land then have to buy from these people. Can we really sing ” these fields and hill beyond recall, are now our very own?”


  51. The signal was sent to the developers a long time ago – Hear that hypocrite Owen Affa as Prime Minister praising Clico’s plans in 2007 in the Wendy Burke article in the Nation published on 6/4/2007.
    Direct quote from the article about OWEN AFFA’S speech-
    – “CLICO’S PLANS for a golf course at Bath, St John, fall squarely within Government’s plans to develop the south-east of Barbados. He said Clico was proposing to set up the golf course on 300 acres of Government land and the future path of private sector capital investment lay in the SEIZING of the vast opportunities to modernise the south-east corridor of Barbados”.

    Owen Affa is a joke and a hypocrite – He or Under Weir cannot come now and talk foolishness. If he or anybody in the BLP criticize this project they should remember he encourage um!


  52. Reader’s rant about “The absolute worst of the BLP…”
    This delightful piece of anonymous political rant reached BFP from a remailer in Austria. Its arrival portends the opening of the 2012 Barbados election campaign where the two major parties will attempt again to convince Bajans that the other party is a worse choice. The DLP and the BLP are both so badly discredited that they can only throw rotten fish at each other because neither have any fresh fish to hurl.

    Take it away, “Mixmaster from Austria”…

    How can you rig an election and still lose? Ask some BLP members…

    submitted anonymously by “Mixmaster remailing service from Austria”

    Barbadians recently witnessed the absolute worst of the Barbados Labour Party and as would be expected – St. Andrew Parliamentary Representative and former BLP Chairman, George Payne, was at the centre of the controversy.

    Clearly this “political runt” and “humbug” – cannot have a moral minimum! As a matter of fact, so horrible was his conduct on this occasion (even by his trademark standards) that BLP Leader Owen Arthur, who – since the infamous “Prior Park Accord,” is said to have been turning a blind-eye to such matter, was compelled to call for unity, thereby kicking George in the nuts.
    Just when you thought it could not get any worse, the BLP started a boycott campaign against black businessman, Andrew Bynoe, thereby launching an unprovoked attack on women, the youth and children. Why? Is it because Bynoe invested over $20 million in the DLP’s economy by building the new A1 store at Black Rock?

    In the interest of the women who work at Bynoe’s supermarkets and the children and young people who rely on them and the pay they receive – we in the DLP can only encourage George to continue doing what he does best: ‘seek to become Prime Minister through political poker and create more mayhem within the BLP, as the factions play ‘the high stakes numbers game!’

    But, in the worst smear campaign witnessed in local politics – the only thing that George Payne and his cousin Douglas Skeete did not say about Edmund Hinckson, was that he is a woman.

    Seventy-five thousand dollars later and even with ‘a rigged BLP electoral list’ (according to newspaper reports from both Hinckson and Jerome Walcott) neither George Payne or his cousin Doug, who was seeking the St. James North nomination to replace Rawle Eastmond, can come to grips with the humiliating rejection they receive. It should now appear to George Payne that not everyone subscribes to his brand of politics, and that while food (served through a Thursday Club) and similar gimmicks might work in St. Andrew, the people of St. James have much more pride and class.

    But how do you rig an election; spend seventy-five thousand on your horse and still lose? Ask George Payne and Douglas Skeete. It is obvious that Skeete feels so rejected that he is threatening never to run for anything again – not even the bus!

    Somewhere in all this, there has to be a lesson! Intelligent people would grasp it easily but George Payne has always been a political joker and will need a lot more time to come to grips with reality. If he were even capable of shame, it still would occur to him that he has distinguished himself and has created history by being the only “jackass” and “practical joker,” who has served in the office of ‘Chairman of the BLP.’

    And yet, notwithstanding its on-going civil war and blood sport politics, a vote for the BLP in the upcoming general election, will be a vote for George Payne to become Prime Minister of Barbados. We in the DLP are told he holds the cards and the numbers, even if he functions without a brain! In the mean time, it is blunder after blunder. And the BLP continues to make deals and action off Barbados.


  53. I’m sorry, but i can’t help but laugh at the weak arguments posed by “str8 Up” and “balance”. Malta protects their land and they have a smaller square mileage that Barbados does. Not to mention that their population is greater than ours standing at a whopping +430,000 people, on a mere 316 kilometres (121 square miles). And resale of property is only limited to Maltese citizens, not to mention that foreigners are limited to only purchasing one property in Malta. In addition to the fact that Malta is world renowned for its protection & preservation of its ecosystem and marine life.

    Did I mention that productive industries account for more than 27% of Malta’s GDP? In terms of manufacturing? Where as Barbados’ stands at a lowly 10%. That is outrageous. Nothing you’re telling me is making sense. What the government should do is invest in the application of AQUAPONICS within the nation’s Fisheries in order to increase productivity, and hence will create more job opportunities and would subsequently lead to thriving fish markets.

    Development does not necessitate Urban expansion. Development merely points to the gradual sustainable progression of a region on a social, political, economic, and environmental (etc.) level. The aforementioned opposing parties also failed to acknowledge that service industries like tourism within Barbados (and indeed the greater region) is a dying one; the very fact that the nation’s economy (in which the service sector accounts for 83% is dedicated to the service industry) has stagnated since 2008 bears testament to that fact.

    Therefore, I officially deem the arguments posed by Sir “Str8 Up” and Sir “Balance” to be an absolute farce, and an especially weak one at that that seeks to further perpetuate the “short-sighted syndrome” that has literally engulfed the nation as well as the greater diaspora.

    Brother David (B.U.), I believe that you can take it from here…


  54. Just heard David Commisiong in the news coming in on the fray..
    (Four Seasons)…Brandon’s much too sacred to lose to the public…
    It has started..it has started….


  55. @ BajanFaDeath and BLPcorrupt for life

    You know I have been attempting to read you all submissions, but every time to no avail.You all are doing yourself a great injustice with these long dreary attempts of contrives.Why don’t you all just simply precis them like this

    DLP had to deal with the reprecussion of 911
    The DLP were in uncharted waters, so they had to try something.
    That did not work so we try something else, neither that, so try again
    Having tried and tried again, we were resolved to try harder, that did not work either, so we decided to take a break.Now someone recommended .
    We start fingering things and everybody,So far we have fingered FUNNY
    And he did not like it . He then in turn FINGERED Many REDMan and she fell asleep.For the time being FINGERING has brought about another PAUSE.But it will be more fingering when LIME strikes,as by all indications ,very soon WATCH !
    Now you all up to your necks wid it (sh)..endorsing Wuk fa Wuk and Physical deficit….not in st philip hear…Mac will disengage you fa sure..

    Time to come out this pause……and if wanna want 10 % salary cuts,don’t send BYNOE to test D waters….Remember Sandi…and he did only want 8%, if wanna willing to talk the talk…BE prepared to WALK ,THE WALK..come elections date


  56. @old onion bags | February 21, 2012 at 8:35 AM |
    Are you sure he wasn’t referring to the Browne’s Beach on Bay St?
    No investor would put a tourist plant down Brandons given the presence of the BL&P and petroleum storage tanks in the area. These can’t be moved elsewhere.


  57. @acBajan Fa death
    “Look how stupid you now look. And these 100 day promises were way long before the recession kicked in. They should have been fulfilled by end of June 2008 at the latest. But then a promise is a comfort to a Bajan fool.” >>>sent by miller:

    What about the 100 day promises ??…..( I almost forgot like most bajans)….instead now 4 yrs before elections is rant rant rant….or more begging for another term…..shameful ac don’t you think ?

    ONE TERM baby… the word on the streets is ONE TERM


  58. bruhadim one of these days you will awaken from your dream and realise that what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. barbados is not malta.different sets of circumstances determine their roadmap to development. look, nobody can make land so i do not believe that individuals should own land. people should have the right to live and adequate portions of land should be dispensed for use according to needs or specific purpose.we spent years trying to rid ourselves of a landowning elite plantocracy only to have introduced again another type of negrocratic landowning elite in another form.but that is only my view; however i do not think that foreigners should be allowed to buy land but should be allowed to lease for a time suitable to the realisation of their investment. i am not that sentimental where use of land for developmental purposes especilly where the development might help to put bread on another’s table. when we speak of these fields and hills beyond recall are now our very own- to whom are we referring, the white folk or the black folk?


  59. balance
    Correction, YOU CAN MAKE LAND Artificial islands and land reclamation projects prove that theory.

    And when you say “what is good for the goose isn’t for the gander”, U still offer me know solid argument that convinces me that Barbados should continue to progress into an urbanized slave Plantation…..

    You still offer no real solutions. Thus, your “pragmatic” approach is highly flawed hence ridiculous….


  60. Looks like Minister Sealy has no problem planting more concrete at Carlisle Bay this time. Why must our coastline must be eroded based on the decision of politicians? Maybe this should become an election issue?


  61. Why can’t the Minister mention the big brand name hotels that are interested in “developing’ the Carlisle Bay area? This is over 20 years that this area has been earmarked for tourism development. The problem here is the openness of the area: too close to the public road and not enough space between the beach front and the land to the road. Only if the beach is made private & exclusive that the hotel can be configured to make the facilities “restricted”. This just a lot of pre-election propaganda.

    A question to the Minister: Now that you are in the area, what is the position with the “Grand Barbados” plant in Aquatic Gap? Isn’t this a bit more suited with the Barbados brand already on display? Carlisle Bay could be cleaned up and appropriately landscaped with proper facilities put in place to accommodate an art & craft centre with an open air performing area to display our artistic and cultural assets, including marine related activities since the sea is one of our major natural resources. A mini Oistins-like bay garden but accessible also from the sea. Don’t further despoil “Heritage” Bridgetown with more ugly concrete. Why not traditional architecture using greenheart and other hardwood from Guyana? Why continue with the concrete ovens? Think outside the so-called box. Tourists are not interested in seeing concrete in the tropics.


  62. @Hants
    I trust you had a great FD too.
    If you dont consider yourself “rich” it maybe semantics or you were not motivated etc. As a kolij grad you certainly had the ability.
    I have never exploited the Kolij investment market BUT do email many bros to warn them of the dangers just like I would help any Bajan or others where practical.


  63. Malta’s main advantage is that it is strategically located in Europe. This has been so for thousands of years. However, if the leaders ever decide to Analyse and Plan properly for the benefit of the people, then places like Malta, Singapore should be researched closely and commonsense utilised to appreciate the differences compared to Bim. Will this happen? Or will the pols continue to think short term and for their own pockets first and only!

    Do the folks on here seriously believe that it matters to the politicians whether the people with money to invest are white, black, brown, cream etc
    Please awaken from your somnolent state, if so, because it is the prospect of a major payday that rules the day. The leaders have and will sell their soul and peeps too!

    In 1977 I did my dissertation on tourism in Bim and at that tender age appreciated that developing the “hamburger and coke” lower half of the market was very questionable in a densely populated island. Commonsense dictated that we should focus on the higher half in order to procure more revenue per capita so that less heads were required.

    It occurs to me that development on the East Coast could be justified for Medical and Sanatorium/ Drug Rehab. Remember that George Washington brought his brother to Bim to avail him of the pure air, obviously there is no air purer than our East Coast. We could use the Washington story and the exclusivity for up market undertakings like Drug Rehab of rich people from the US as many would like to disappear for 3-6 months out of the limelight.
    Add plastic surgery etc to this strategy. Why let Thailand etc benefit when their customers are right under our noses? this could create higher calibre jobs and lower end too.


  64. @ David | February 21, 2012 at 1:33 PM |
    “Wasn’t the Bridgetown Redevelopment Project to extend the boardwalk to the Hilton?”

    Now that you mention the boardwalk, one wonders what are Government’s plans for those unoccupied and dilapidated hotel properties adjoining the boardwalk along the Hastings stretch. Can’t the owners be asked to clean them up or knock them down? They currently represent not only environmental eye sores and hazards but a breeding ground for vermin and disease carrying pests (rats and mosquitoes).
    Soon they will be occupied by the growing number of vagrants and homeless. Either maintain them in a way that does not pose a threat to public health and attracting negative environmental appeal or raze them to the ground leaving the spaces as windows to the sea, as they were once.


  65. @miller
    When Sandy Lane had a road that ran along the coast, they diverted it. Similarly, if the area now used by government headquarters was to be designated for a large hotel (for which it is ideal), the the road would have to be diverted through Bayville. That would mean dislocation for some families, and that is a serious matter as it could disrupt the community. However, with proper handling and community consultations, it could be a chance to redevelop the area. I think that it would be win/win.


  66. @Moneybrain
    You truly live up to ur name. Put “Dr.” in front of it and ur set! Yes, ur ideas along with government investment in Aquaponics would be a salvation for the east coast. And it wouldn’t lead to the destruction of the area either.

    And correction, Malta does indeed have a significant degree of real-estate protection laws.

    But Like Malta, Barbados is strategically located between four regions in which it can strategically appeal to. The greater Caribbean, Central America, South America, and indeed North America. Barbados has a greater vast potential of setting up mutually beneficial business ventures with Latin America and the Caribbean as opposed to North America because North America is already developed (excluding Mexico).

    The opportunities are virtually endless, and we shouldn’t let our “Anglo” tongues inhibit us from learning the tongues of our neighbors. For if we do, they would easily outpace Bim and leave her in the dust with nothing to salvage just like North America did.


  67. These investors are all here for one thing ..and somehow because the Govt.is LEAN AND HUNGRY…..Barbados is a CASH COW…no wonder no cash is circulating here..you have to go overseas to find it,..

    NEWS ON EMERA>>>http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/news-sources/?date=20120210&archive=cnw&slug=C3190

    Excluding the impact of the accounting gains previously noted, Caribbean Utility Operations (the Caribbean) contributed $18.6 million to consolidated net income in 2011 compared to a loss of $2.7 million in 2010. For the fourth quarter of 2011, the Caribbean contributed $3.1 million to consolidated net income compared to a loss of $7.7 million for the same period in 2010. The increased net income during the quarter and year-over-year was due to increased investments in both Grand Bahama Power Company (GBPC) and Barbados Light and Power; and higher earnings at GBPC, which had expensed $6.1 million of acquisition related costs in the fourth quarter of 2010.

    Talk about a good (ROI) return on investments !


  68. @ peltdownman | February 21, 2012 at 3:41 PM |
    “When Sandy Lane had a road that ran along the coast, they diverted it. Similarly, if the area now used by government headquarters was to be designated for a large hotel (for which it is ideal), the the road would have to be diverted through Bayville. That would mean dislocation for some families, and that is a serious matter as it could disrupt the community. However, with proper handling and community consultations, it could be a chance to redevelop the area. I think that it would be win/win.”

    Which overseas investor today would be prepared to finance this massive “public’ infrastructural reconfiguration. Unlike Sandy Lane, the Bayville area has no upscale potential (golf course, polo etc) although close to a sheltered part of the Caribbean Sea to attract this massive foreign investment. The opportunities of free and easy money looking for a clean home or tax haven to do some washing are no longer “de rigueur” as far as the OECD and the US are concerned. The other Caribbean countries especially those in the OECS are competing vigorously and even “back raising” Bim in the race for FDI and they are winning. What are you going to do with the geriatric hospital? Knock it down and put our ‘golden and platinum’ citizens on the streets? The government fiscal position is so precarious and dire that not even bonds can be floated to finance the public infrastructural part of such a project. What about the construction of the new hospital? How would this expensive undertaking be financed, by foreign investment?

    The current hot air ‘mouthings’ are nothing more than a good old Bajan political “fowl cock” flying up on the paling and doing some electioneering crowing to trick stupid people into giving their vote for a sweet song and promise of paradise (2007/2008 déjà vu).

    Get real man! Let us see 4 Seasons or the Pierhead marina come on stream before putting your ear to political rumour mill about the redesign and reconfiguration of a major artery in the road traffic system in a confined space of Greater Bridgetown. Skipper, we know you are good at faking things, but you would have to dig real deep to look for the millions and millions of investment dollars involved here. Where is the money going to come from? The education and health budget or are we going to send home a third of the army of occupation, starting with the obese cabinet in Bay house?


  69. @ David-BU| February 21, 2012 at 5:53 PM |

    Are our politicians for real?
    *********************************************************
    But Dave, wuh ‘appen, man, yuh jess wake up from a long, long sleep or wuh? Yuh eh know dat we pols in Barbados are a special breed in DEM own class!
    BTW, is it possible to get the other poster who signs on as “David-Not BU” to change his posting ID?


    • @de hood

      But imaging the billions we have invested in education.

      Imagine how we have boasted through the years about our literacy.

      Imagine Guyana and the EC countries seem to have a model that working for them.

      Imagine this ting doah.


  70. @Brudah B
    I neglected to touch on landuse laws in Malta BUT my point was that the pols arent concerned bout dat bring plenty cash and you can concrete Heaven and Earth in Bim.


  71. But imaging the billions we have invested in education.
    Imagine how we have boasted through the years about our literacy.

    Brains ain’t brawn…..this is where powers that be lacking


  72. perhaps to attract much needed public attention after his tyrannical tirade against his ertswhile ucal fedup colleagues, i observe sir roy, the beleaguered union boss in todays nation jumpin helter skelter in the skeetes bay development saga notwithstanding that it was his actions that brought the Four Seasons project to a crushing halt with his repudiation of the use of Chinese labour.Rather than revising their labour costs component, the investors withdrew instead as any wise investor would be wont to do. Should Lime stand fast and he loses the current dispute, then he stands to be further discredited after his previous humiliation at the hands of Royal shop and Sandylane and his empty mouthings would be seen for what they are worth.


  73. @ balance | February 22, 2012 at 5:32 PM |
    So balance, are you saying that the Union is responsible for the investors backing off the 4 Seasons project? This is not is what is being peddled as the reason. The international recession (as if it affected the Chinese economy in any serious way) is seen as the bogey man for the failure of this project.
    You better tell ac and Bajanfuhlife that!

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