Mac Fingall and St. Philip Residents ‘Fighting Back’ to Protect their Way of Life at Skeete’s Bay

Skeetes Bay

The Late Prime Minister David Thompson promised Barbadians before he died that his government would not allow the East Coast of Barbados to mirror its West Coast. In the Barbados Physical Development Plan the Eastern corridor of Barbados cannot be commercially developed. Now that the West Coast has been dotted with concrete structures with few windows to the sea and limited access to beachfront for locals, attention has turned to the South East of Barbados. There is a ‘catfight’ which is currently playing out to develop the South Eastern area of Barbados which includes Ragged Point, Eastbourne and Skeetes Bay.

Paul Doyle, the owner of the Crane Hotel, finds himself at logger heads with residents of Bayfield and the surrounding communities. He proposes to develop 88 beach houses on 44 acres of land (each equipped with a swimming pool) he bought four years ago at Skeetes Bay and Culpepper in St. Philip. He unveiled his plans to residents of the area at a town hall meeting at the St. Catherine’s Sports Club where there was standing room only. Residents of the area are concerned that the way of life they know and love will be interrupted by the proposed Culpepper Beach Houses Development.

The opportunity for residents to vent concerns about the project was made possible by well known Barbadian Mac Fingall who lives in the area.  Fuelling concerns for the residents of the close-knit Bayfield area is the proposal by Doyle to develop Skeetes Bay by adding a restaurant to provide alternate dining for guests staying at the Crane Hotel. Despite his many reassurances that locals would be encouraged to continue fishing, exercising and all the other activities they currently are involved, locals remained apprehensive. What makes the proposal by Doyle interesting is that Skeetes Bay is currently owned by the government of Barbados. No wonder the residents smell a rat!

The issue which Doyle faces if he wants to move forward with the development is that he needs to persuade Mac Fingall or one other local to sell their property which he needs to access his development. Both have flatly refused to sell. Fingall in an emotional delivery stated some things simply can’t be bought meaning that way of life the community as enjoyed since Adam was a lad. His plea was supported by another local Red Plastic Bag. The fact that the developer started to prepare access to the property and encroached on Finagal’s property has not helped Doyle Fingal Bayfield residents relations. It is evident Mac Fingall is accepted as a leader in the community and Doyle will have his work cut out to get this project off the ground..  Coming out of the exchanges, if Doyle is not able to persuade Fingall or one other to sell to get the required access to satisfy Town Planning that leaves Skeetes Bay.

BU congratulates Mac Fingall’s ;leadership and the residents of Bayfield and the surrounding area. Usually developers will schedule the mandatory two public meeting to discuss the Environmental Impact Study. The St. Philip residents led by Fingall have forced Doyle to come to them even before a submission has been made to Town Planning.

Minister of Housing Michael Lashley – who is a local boy – attended the stormy meeting and informed that his ministry has received proposals to support developments at Eastbourne and Ragged Point. Given the track record of politicians in Barbados when it comes to physical development and a land use policy, it is hard to imagine some of the proposals will not be approved. Is the selling of our finite resource worth it?

114 thoughts on “Mac Fingall and St. Philip Residents ‘Fighting Back’ to Protect their Way of Life at Skeete’s Bay

  1. David

    Could you please find out if the proposed development will be done on the beach. I am not sure from this post. In Barbados “beach” is defined as:
    The entire area associated with the shoreline, composed of unconsolidated materials, typically sand and beachrock, that that extends landwards from the high water mark to the area where there is a marked change in material or natural physiographic form or to a distance of 500 metres landward from the mean high water mark, whichever is the lesser distance.

    I don’t know if that is helpful but the land that Mr. Doyle bought four years ago would not include any area that fits into that description, even if the previous owners exercised control over that area.

  2. While I lived in Skeete’s Bay for a period of 6 years, up until last year. It was known that this project was going ahead for 2 years ago…. I am 100% sure the development will happen – if the restaurant doesn’t at Skeete’s Bay. One of the most quietest and lovely beaches on the island will soon have rows of beach chairs and umbrellas because of the changes made by Government (which one, I don’t care). Say goodbye to Culpepper because time will come that you will not see it again.

    “The National Park” stretches from Consett Bay, St.
    John to Archer’s Bay, St. Lucy, thus excluding the undeveloped area South of Consett to approx Bottom Bay. This is why developments at Merricks, East Point and Culpepper have come about. in 3008 when this hit the news it was brushed over by Barbadians not realising that the National Park should have protected the South East corner of barbados also.

    And furthermore, the Dlp government has shut down the fish market late last year …… perhaps facilitating Doyle’s plans.

    At previous comment – the area is cliffs – the only beach is at Skeete’s Bay and a small rocky area in front of Culpepper.

  3. they would sell their mothers if they had the chance.
    time for a revolt.selling all our beachfront land to foreign crooks and day bombings will start happening in Barbados
    that is what they going to be looking at..

  4. @Caswell

    The government owns the area of land which is located between Doyle’s property and the beach.

    Minister Lashley was careful to advise that Skeetes Bay is crown land and therefore any sale would have to be debated in parliament.

  5. there we go again injecting emotion into the debate; but are we some of the commentators who were just on this blog supporting the injection of nis pension funds into a doubtful four seasons project because it is expected to provide jobs and bring in foreign exchange from a tourism market which is becoming more and more volatile.and to the blogger who quotes mr thompson- does he not know that mr thompson et al has a huge ugly beach house on the shores of the popular Martins bay. stop swallowing the froth of politicians and hold them to account.

    • @balance

      Where is your comprehension skill?

      The reference to what Thompson said was to illustrate that politicians say what the electorate wants to hear.

      It is up to the electorate to do what Mac Fingall and his neighbours have done.

      Take a stand!

  6. Quite a bit of testing was done within the last two years on the land from Culpepper to Skeete’s Bay. Does any one know the results? I suspect most of this area is clay beneath the surface.

  7. A requirement of the Town Planning application is that a geotechnical study has to be completed.

    What Mac suggested at the meeting is that development on the same property was rejected a couple years ago.

  8. People should realise certain things:
    When Doyle was building his hotel & he formed his own construction Co, Crane Construction Co., he treated the workers worse than in slavery. Those guys had to take their lunch up into the buolding with them when they ascended on mornings, because they were not allowed to come down for lunch, at lunch time – too much productivity would have been lost, you see.
    Many of those block holes were filled with human urine & faeces because the guys were not allowed to even have bathroom breaks. The B’dian public did not side with the Union sufficiently, even though it won many battles there on workers’ behalf. Barbadians need to understand that when people flout Workers’ rights, they are flouting HUMAN Rights.

  9. @balance

    You mentioned being emotional like it is the plague.

    Were you there when Mac reminded those present how sharing a breadfruit is still the practice?

    Were you there when Red Plastic Bag with a pointed finger told Doyle he will stop him from fishing at Skeetes Bay at night?

    Were you there when Mac said his family land is not for sale and the emotional state with which he said it?

    This is obviously not about money but a group of people in St. Philip who place value on something more than money.

    No Sir, Bajans need to demonstrate some passion and emotion from time to time.

  10. “Minister of Housing Michael Lashley – who is a local boy – attended the stormy meeting and informed that his ministry has received proposals to support developments at Eastbourne and Ragged Point.” Was the Minister there to educate, be educated or to referee? He knows precious little about the social and economic history of the area and cares less. Has it ever entered his thoughts that as the MP for the area that he should have a visionary, inclusively developed plan for the area given the “conflict” that keeps popping up over the Three Houses, Ragged Point, Skeete’s Bay triangle

  11. Who is this NancyGrancy now and where they come from with all this fancy talk
    Ah wonder who the body is
    Can you show yourself Nancy

  12. To be fair to the minister and government, it appears there is a court matter ongoing to extinguish he rights of the matter at Ragged Point.

  13. “Many of those block holes were filled with human urine & faeces because the guys were not allowed to even have bathroom breaks.”

    Giselle have you got any proof of this? No bajan crew will work under those conditions so stop spinning yarn. If that were the case the press would have heard of this and they would do the dog. Stupse

  14. IslandGal 246
    Not to let you getaway with a low blow on another blog>>>
    @ islan gal 696
    LMAO As de mighty Sparrow does sing… saaaaalt fish Sparrow was de greatest lover
    I just was doing some Back Reading and could not allow you to taint the good name of this true son on the beach.

    Dear Island gal
    I say to you 69 old granny you>> u2worthless and need the Laud.
    You need to go retire that “mud pump” and stop hallucination on what used to be. As my friend Mr. Hoad wood say “accept the ole age wid goats milk” and live out the last sunsets.Try not to be a young yam in a ole pram.While you at it kindly pick those low hanging fruits at your back door
    I await your sentiments my old friend.

    With kind regards,
    Youthful onions (poop..excuse me)

  15. Ole onion bag….. yuh ole son of a beech. Ah doan got nuh low hanging fruits ay muh back door ah ent like yuh who got two coconuts down by yuh knees. My fruits are firm to de touch! Yuh like yuh is bad wine in a bottle. Yuh acid an stink tah boot. Leff muh out and stop fouling de air rong hey!

  16. @Islan
    Ha ha..a like um…firm afa all dem ears…dem musse plastic
    Ha ha coconuts nah at least dey still fa drinkin and not to put in coconut bread.

  17. I hope this will open the bajan people eyes to see that barbados do not belongs to bajans, the ones that are trying to keep what little they have is being taken away & government is doing not a damn thing about. how many people in government are just in it for the $$$$, not to help they own people. st.philip people stand up for what is yours. do nt sell your birthright, like some bajans are doing. DLP & BLP need to stop selling them souls to the devil & help the people of BARBADOS the REAL BAJANS. MAC FINGALL GIVE THEM HELL & BAJAN PEOPLE BACK FINGALL FOR STANDING UP TO THESE WHITE ASS UNETHICAL PEOPLE THAT TRY TO TAKE OVER THE ISLAND. THE NON-NATIONALS THAT LIVE IN BARBADOS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE BAJAN PEOPLE ONLY ABOUT THEMSELVES AND HOW TO ROB THE BAJANS THAT WILL SELL THEM SOUL TO THE DEVIL. WAKE UP BARBADOS IF THIS ISSUE IS NOT A WAKE UP CALL WONDER WHAT WILL BE. EVERY WERE U TURN IN BIM YOU CAN NOT SEE THE SEA, ALL THE BIG HOUSES BLOCKING THE VIEW, ALWAYS REMEMBER THE SEA HAVE NO BACK DOOR, SO WHENEVER THE ROUGH SEAS START TO COME I HOPE THE MANSIONS COULD WITHSTANDING THE BEATING.

  18. If we continue to allow all of our coastal land to be developed with these condos and beach house where will our future generations have to go to fish or to pick welts. These things as small as they seem are what the bajan culture is made of . We have to stand up for our way of life . otherwise we will wake one day and wonder what country is this and we will seem like immigrants in our own country.

  19. These developers don’t care about employment or GDP or any of these things that our politician tout around in the political debates ,They care about putting money in there offshore account and living like they are invincible . Shouting at our people, bad mouthing our public sector and running us from our lands. Will we allow this to continue because they are some people who got money and can buy what they want . ,

  20. Picture this GUYs
    Hey let us do like Robert Maugabe….butter them on a boat and pack they ole lumpy arses home…. take over the Crane and drink rum punch and martinis all day…Rickey and Nice go and sharpen wanna CUTLASSES…I dun got on my wampa,,always ready fa action. (joke -joke-joke).

    We got to handle this one guys, with diplomacy.It seems like Doyle got away with stupidness far too many times in St.Philip.

  21. @ rickey | February 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM |
    “We have to stand up for our way of life . otherwise we will wake one day and wonder what country is this and we will seem like immigrants in our own country.”

    The late great EWB was surely a man of vision. This is what he predicted and it has come true as expected.
    Bajans have sold their birthright. The whites have sold the land and businesses. The blacks have misused their education and have lost their dignity and pride. Blacks are just glorified servants with mortgages (debts for life) and stupid fascination with overpriced vehicles.
    “Where there is no vision the people perish”! Sounds familiar? Will come true just like the Skipper’s prediction.

  22. Ok we gave up the North,west and south coast land to “its best uses”.

    Now we will start the continuous concretization of the East coast.

    A ring of white concrete with the local service providers in the middle.

    Those of you who live in Barbados will have to decide how much you are willing to sacrifice.

  23. The carrot dangled by Doyle and other investors is that we need to approve projects that will generate forex. A valid argument given where the policies of successive governments have landed us.

    The question is, how sustainable a strategy it is given the size of our landmast? How will it decimate our brand?

  24. Some people will argue that the “development” of Skeet Bay is good for the area and that it will bring employment to residents and some will argue that the “adverse” effects will out-weigh that good. What, however, is certain is that Barbados is becoming an Island within an Island. The Rich people (who are the few) seem to always have a monopoly on decisions and opportunities regardless to what the masses want.

    There was a time in our history when the land was needed for SLAVE LABOUR and the people could live on the beach (If necessary) but now that dynamics of economics has changed and there’s now money in Tourism for those same type of exploiters; they are now forcing the people “inwards” while they “develop” the coastline to make more money under such schemes “DEVELOPMENT” but if a mini Tsunami or some monsters from the sea visit the selfsame COASTLINE and threaten lives those same developers with their monopoly on money and influence…and everything else would shovel the people up and place them on the coastline and take the inner-land. Needless-to-say NOT unlike the greedy money grabbing few in South Africa who raked-up the people like garbage and dump them elsewhere so they could “DEVELOP” the land for MONEY.

    My support goes with the people of Bayfield and all such places that are under threat from these so-called DEVELOPERS.

  25. “Bajans have sold their birthright. The whites have sold the land and businesses. The blacks have misused their education and have lost their dignity and pride.”

    It is MisEducation…and since it is misEducation it therefore is used appropriately. That is: in the interest of the educators; for that type of ‘education’ produces a mind that does not rebel against abuse inflicted upon the ‘self’ and it does NOT work in the interest of the ‘self’ but in the interest of others.

  26. @ FrankTalk | February 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM |
    “My support goes with the people of Bayfield and all such places that are under threat from these so-called DEVELOPERS.”

    Mine also! But let us look to see what really is going on. The current political “decision-makers” are the epitome or true representation of the Africans who were enslaved to make the whites comfortable and rich. You could not want a more vivid physical depiction of Africans in Bim than those in the seat of political authority. Many of them were born and raised in St. Philip and educated at the expense of hardworking poor blacks.
    Now look and see what these so-called sons of the black soil are doing to their own people just for a fleeting dollar that would not last as long as an ice cube in the mid-day sun on the road to Bayfield. Now that is what you would describe as Mis-Educated field slaves still working for “Massa”.
    The Sun certainly did not shine on this lot; only burnt their skins even more and addled their brains.

  27. Interesting observation: Ministers Lashley, Brathwaite, Estwick and Inniss who originates from Bayfield are high powered members of Cabinet.

  28. @ David | February 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM |
    Estwick is a Brereton boy. Stuart is from the Marchfield area. Ince is also from the East. But all St. Philip reared. Jones is a true African.

  29. I am not saying that I support the project BUT to say “some things simply can’t be bought meaning that way of life the community has enjoyed since Adam was a lad” sounds very NIMBY to me. After all many places that Fingall now enjoy were to some the “way of life the community has enjoyed since Adam was a lad” too.
    Time to be less emotional and more pragmatic.

  30. @enuff

    The comment should be taken in context of the argument playing out. Where does one draw the line given how much of the coastline of Barbados has been decimated and recognizing that the S.Eastern area is the last relatively undeveloped coastline of Barbados. Again BU throws its support behind the Bayfield posse.

  31. The Owen Arthur administration was criticised by David Thompson of the DLP for selling off the country’s land to foreigners for these kinds of developments. It looks like the rest of the DLP were not of that view, if they wish to now allow a similar exercise to take place on the South East coast, when (and I stand under correction) there are still condos etc on the South and West Coast waiting to be sold.

  32. @enuff

    What are you smoking?

    You give no consideration to how economic development of the coastline must impact the social and cultural lifes of people.

  33. the question is if mac fingall capable of supplying jobs to thousands of unemployed youth in St. Phillip.
    people say Fingall is a overpaid buffoon who wears pink tights and blows a horn at cricket.
    we the youth of st.phillip want jobs not jokes.

  34. Are willing to get money and development at any cost , Remember Gabby song Jack does this song have any relevance here in this case . Just wondering

  35. At the end of the day remember once we start to change our coastal line and natural habitation we will affect the whole landscape .If this what tourist want why don’t they do this in their own country .Just wondering

  36. @ juvenile
    If you really want work a snow cone cart… the end it will be more beneficial to your country, than under Doyle’s plan..which he promotes as an angel but his past speaks of a devil.

    Hear the man just now on CBC 7.00pm News condescendingly….”Oh if you all don’t want ..we don’t have to develop a fishing village”….now he sending this imposter in hay under the guise of a lil boy talking bout jobs.>>>.lil boy u mudda kno you pun D blog? You do u homework yet lil boy ? Tell Doyle fa me… u don’t want to be a waiter all ya life..

  37. Where do Bajans go on Bank holidays?

    Anybody remember Church excursions?

    West coast people would travel to east coast beaches and east coast people to west coast beaches.

  38. I second that Hants…Cockspur and macaroni pie, bake pork n lamb.sweet bred and puddin..onions belly growlin now boi.
    Boy them was D days. Don’t let no white moushan’ come bout hay an stop dem.

  39. There are 280,000 people living on 166 square miles. Barbados is an Island.

    It makes no sense to continuously surround the Island with concrete.

    @old onion bags Dem them was truly D days. I have glorious memories of River Bay, Maycocks bay, Foul Bay, Bathsheba and Bath beach that I cherish.

  40. I am 100 % in support of the St.Philip posse.
    The East coast of Barbados should be kept in his present natural state. Leaving the concrete jungles of the south and west coast only leaves the east coast to bring some level of relaxation to the average bajan. Looking from Cherry Tree Hill to Ragged point is one of the beautiful sights of Barbados

  41. FYI: Construction has started; That so called meeting was a ploy. Its a done deal and you all are too late. The developers promised to fix the fishing complex and the GoB swallowed it hook, line, sinker and rod. We have been sold out to the highest bidder again. The more things change, the more they remain the same. This fool hardy approach of selling our land in the name of development and forex earning potential is a pie in the sky dream. A lot of the condos on the west and south coast remain unsold; Paul Doyle’s Crane hotel re-development remains unfinished, four seasons is in disarray, merricks is a false start and oceans 2 is largely unsold. Why add another white elephant to our beautiful east coast landscape. I visited the area last year when I was on holiday and it is so serene, peaceful and ruggedly unique, I am at a lost as to why someone would want to spoil it with concrete. Tsk Tsk, I grieve for my land.

  42. Come on Snipes, you must have figured out by now that there is something seriously wrong with the mentality of these right people…!!

    They are driven to own everything that they see….and to destroy everything that they can’t own…..Either own it or bomb it…

    it is not deliberate…it is a curse.


    • Some time ago the Crane dismissed a cashier for eating a fish finger. The facts of the case revealed that the cashier had been employed for eight years, with a very good record. On the day in question she was the only cashier on duty and was therefore unable to take lunch; she started to feel ill because of hunger, and took a FISH FINGER. She was dismissed. The matter went to court and eventually the cashier was awarded damages for wrongful dismissal.

      I don’t care how much money anybody has: he should not be welcomed in Barbados if he treats workers in this manner. This development would allow Crane to employ more workers to treat like slaves.

  43. Caswell Franklyn | February 9, 2012 at 11:22 PM |
    “I don’t care how much money anybody has: he should not be welcomed in Barbados if he treats workers in this manner. This development would allow Crane to employ more workers to treat like slaves.”

    But the black educated servants are in charge, not so?
    “These fields and hills beyond recall are now our very own” . Rings bell in your ears?

    • Miller

      Your post at 12:06 is misleading. You should read the judgment of the Court of Appeal. The blacks did not fire anyone.

  44. @snipes

    You forgot the Sam Lords Castle Property which is undeveloped and derelict yet we want to plant more concrete at Skeetes Bay and Culpepper in St.Philip.

  45. The election is just around the corner. Now is the time for Mac Fingall to ensure his name is down as a candidate to represent the people in that parish.Those gutless politician(s) would have no choice but to state catagorically where he (they) stand(s); this should be replicated in other Parishes.

  46. It appears the Crane has already been granted a promise to develop the area, one of the problems would be water supply and David Estwick is presently in the process of trying to divert water from Spring Garden to St. Philip. Already the prisons at Dodds is experiencing serious water shortage problems and with the proposed 2000 housing solution earmarked for Bushy Park, St Philip will need a vastly improved water supply. Added to that, is the disruption of life in the Bayfield area, a disruption that can change the whole landscape of social life, not only in the Bayfield area but the entire St.Philip North. This puts Michael Lashley in the same boat Greenidge found himself in a few years ago, being very unpopular. Even before this Michael has been losing support, but still way ahead of his opponent, however, the gap is narrowing quickly. Oh that politicians would learn from their colleauges mistakes.

    • @The Scout

      The Paul Doyle proposes to trap water from the Spring which currently flows into the sea. Where do you get your information?

  47. (Porter wrote | February 9, 2012 at 8:21 AM | Who is this NancyGrancy now and where they come from with all this fancy talk Ah wonder who the body is Can you show yourself Nancy)
    Porter wants me to come out of my crabhole? does Porter know that there are a lot of crabholes alon marley vale , culpepper and Skeetes Bay and even bayfield? This development going to fill all these crabholes. but who speaking up for my friends? other countries have caviar, we have the best sea eggs in the world (legal) and now you goiung turn 3 Houses stream into swimming pools and have to clean them. But what was the MP at the meeting for?

  48. Is there anybody that can dispute this?
    This Govt making a real comedy of errors that will come back to bite them.

    • Onions

      I could dispute that, but then I would be talking foolishness like Carson.

  49. @ Caswell Franklyn | February 10, 2012 at 9:25 AM |

    Caswell, you are missing the innuendo (real import) of my comment.

    I was poking fun at the pols who really think they are in charge and can enforce the law without fear or favour but only when it suits them. Al Barrack case is not in their favour. These black pols have no other choice but to continue to allow the land to be sold to foreign buyers who would then dictate the terms and conditions for this investment; even if treating the locals like slaves is part of the package. In other words the fields (and soon the beaches) are no longer our very own.
    And you of all people should know the kickbacks that passed from one hand to another, both in the past and now.

    • Miller

      What do you mean?

      “And you of all people should know the kickbacks that passed from one hand to another, both in the past and now”.

      I have never taken any kickbacks, as a matter of fact, I was never in a position where I would have been in a position to take a kickback.

  50. Good for the people of St Philip. What has been allowed to happen at Harewoods Beach should never happen in Barbados again.

  51. @ Caswell Franklyn | February 10, 2012 at 10:22 AM |
    “I have never taken any kickbacks, as a matter of fact, I was never in a position where I would have been in a position to take a kickback.”

    Caswell, I was not referring to you. I trust you to be an “above-board, decent, well brought up and sometimes law abiding Cawmere boy”.
    I was referring to the pols who got and still getting rich from land sales and the granting of building and “development’ approval against the technocrats recommendations.
    I am not being personal here, man. Take it easy. I am on your side of the battle to weed out corruption and wastage which is holding back this country from doing much more for its citizens.

  52. David
    Not from the Spring in St. Philip but from the desal plant in Spring Garden. The minister David Estwick made this comment while addressing the ground breaking ceremony of the BWA new H/qrts recently.At the moment the Prisons have had to transport water to its location daily by a large truck, many residents in St Philip experiences water shortage on a daily basis.

  53. It is all so sick, sick, sick. Kudos to MacFingall and RPB. But will their voices be listened to? It appears not. Poor beautiful Barbados! Barbadians soon will not be able to see or bathe in the sea or go fishing. We soon will have to go back to oil lamps, ooops did I say oil? I mean candles, of course. We will soon be devoid of water and have to be French and bathe in cheap perfume. We soon will not be able to feed ourselves but I guess concrete and ethanol sauce could be a substitute….and the little plant will be so riddled with Monsanto and their GMOs it will have us all in hospital or dead….seems to me that this little rock is going from a future of ‘fine development’ to a future of fine ‘overdevelopment’. But guess who happy ’bout hey??? DE UNDERTAKER!!!! And the ‘developers’ of course….+ those who shall not be mentioned who allowed happily all of the above to happen ’cause dem pocket get greased. Greed begins with the letter ‘G’ – guess what else begins with that same letter??

  54. I think Doyle just pull the lion’s tail, there are many many lions in that vicinity who are willing to go to jail to protect their area. Tell Doyle when he touch one set of people from this area, he has touched ALL.

  55. @enuff

    Yes culture is not static but by the same token its nebulous use by you should not be used to trivialize the Bajan spirit of the St. Philip posse. Note the passion shown for what they want to safeguard; a way of life that is Bajan is the only culture being expressed here, not the concrete structures being proposed.

  56. Vibrant Bajan communities along the west coast were sacrificed for Tourism development. At the time it was crucial to the Tourism Industry.

    Now that the West and South coasts have been fully developed there is no reason to destroy the east coast of Barbados.

    Support Bag,Fingall and their communities. Remember that Skeetes bay is also visited by ordinary Bajans from all walks of life.

  57. @ David
    What nebulous? What Bajan spirit? The FACT remains
    that if we all adopted that stance nothing would be built. Don’t you live in a concrete structure? Then again what do I know, idealism is the BU way.

  58. among other things miller the 1961 election was won on a promise to bring barbados out of dARKNESS, THAT THE PACE OF DEVELOPMENT WAS TOO often have we heard the comment that mr barrow moved barbados from a little village to a developed was he that introduced conspicuous consumption. do not mind the talk about barbadians waking up and finding themseves with no country. just political rhetoric to fool the gullible. the sale of sandford in st philip began under mr barrow and had he had his way, bath plantation in st john would have been sold to a mr bruce baxter as well. and david despite my limited comprehension skills, you canot refute the fact that mr thompson and mr parris are owners of a huge ugly beachhouse resembing the ark on martins bay beach almost on the shoreline. so much for preventing construction in the north east corridor which includes martins bay.

  59. The National Park predates David Thompson. He, however, proposed that only Bajan investors (or jointly with foreigners) would be allowed to undertake projects within the zone.

    • @enuff

      We can agree to disagree given your simplistic reasoning. Of course we need development, it is up to the people to decide the nature of that development.

  60. I was down by Martins Bay yesterday with a friend from Australia (she came because she follows my blog) where we had lunch. There were lots of people there for lunch. The only problem was that they closed at 2.00 pm and people were hurrying to get their orders in. I couldn’t help noticing that UGLY wooden (box) house built right on the water’s edge. This box is VERY UGLY and looks like an eyesore in the area. This ugly box was built by the late David Thompson and Leroy Parris. It is all well and good to protect our way of life and our island from outsiders but when powerful locals do the same there is a resounding silence..

  61. “A well developed coastline could be as, or even more, aesthetic than one that is undeveloped.”

    I totally agree with you Enuff but it has to be done with taste. There is good taste and bad taste and who decides on what is good taste? Many areas in Barbados can be developed tastefully and I have seen many developed by government, some are really horrid to even look at.

    We are as aesthetically developed as we should be. When I drive around the island there is a lot of junk, like debris, boulders laying around in many districts. A clever person or company will turn that junk into a work of art. We have that talent here to redesign our surroundings with taste. If only we will seek those out with talent and not let any Tom Dick and Harry with political affiliations get the contracts. We also have a serious problem with maintaining the existing villages, parks and grounds. Why can’t we all get it into our heads that proper maintenance prolongs the life and beauty of our island and our people?

    I was down by Bath yesterday and it was just beautiful. The friend I was with said that there should never be any big development there and she wasn’t even from here. I envision down there as a place for holiday cottages and camping grounds. Whatever developments that is to come must first enhance the area and not stand out like a sore thumb.

    I heard Red plastic bags saying that he wants the residents of the Skeete’s Bay area to continue to be able to have access to the beach, to be able to fish without hindrance and I totally agree with him. He is not against the development as far as I can see but wants to retain the freedom they now have. He is totally right. In many countries they have banned development on their beaches. If any development must take place it must be on the other side of the road.

    • @islandgal

      The problem with issues like this is that we cloud the matter through our prisms.

      If you read and understand carefully what is happening at Skeetes Bay, the developer (Doyle) needs an access road of 26 feet to access the development to satisfy Town Planning. To get that access he needs to cross Mac Fingall’s land. Mac is very upset that he started excavation at this early stage on his land without his permission which says a lot. Mac has refused to sell which leaves another resident by the name of Chapman who provides a second option who has also refused to sell. The final option is to cut a road through Skeetes Bay and therein lies the rub. The point RPB et al is making is that to drop a restaurant and proceed with the development as proposed will CHANGE the way of life of this community which they treasure more than money. Can you imagine people turning down hundreds of thousands of dollars in this time because they want to protect a way of life? PRICELESS!

      There is also the story which did not make the papers of a resident of the Crane area refusing to sell to Doyle some time ago and he built the laundry room next to the resident’s property.

      Of course the resident is not against the development per se, they are against the development of Skeetes Bay because they know what Doyle is up to.

      Why does Doyle feel he can develop Skeetes Bay anyway? The Minister confirmed that it is crown land. Something smells stink and the St. Philip people who have always demonstrated a togetherness which others communities in Barbados can do well to follow.

  62. David it seems that the Government is not coming out with the truth. If Mac and his friend Chapman have decided not to sell Doyle cannot do a thing unless the government decides to take the land. What Barbadians must understand and be very wary of is if that the State can take part or all of their land. It is called eminent domain*.

    Eminent domain (United States), compulsory purchase (United Kingdom, New Zealand, Ireland), resumption/compulsory acquisition (Australia), or expropriation (South Africa and Canada) is an action of the state to seize a citizen’s private property, expropriate property, or seize a citizen’s rights in property with due monetary compensation, but without the owner’s consent. The property is taken either for government use or by delegation to third parties who will devote it to public or civic use or, in some cases, economic development.

    Let us hope that it will not come to that just remember he who pays the piper chooses/plays the tune.

    • @islandgal

      There is obviously more to this deal which has not made its way to the public. Mac using some commonsense has decided to bring it to the public at a very early stage, even before a submission to the Town Planning has been done. Like The Scout correctly stated earlier you pull one tail in St. Philip and you pull all. This is what happens when people are prepared to stick together but more importantly where there is leadership present.

      The DLP ministers who represent St. Philip should thread very carefully.

    • Islandgal 246

      You are correct that Government can acquire a person’s land through the compulsory acquisition process. However, you miss one salient point, the acquisition mus be done for PUBLIC PURPOSES.

  63. Caswell Franklyn | February 11, 2012 at 10:45 AM | … However, you miss one salient point, the acquisition mus be done for PUBLIC PURPOSES.

    Earning US$ = PUBLIC PURPOSE – not located in the box

  64. It runs counter to the policies set out in the Physical Development Plan that those in authority would entertain proposals for development first at Merricks, which seems to have been approved, and now at Skeete’s Bay. The locations of Tourism areas in the PDP are shown on Map 4 : Land Use Plan and neither Merricks or Skeetes Bay are shown on this map as areas for tourism development.

    PDP Tourism Policies section says that “New beach oriented hotel and tourism development will be directed primarily to existing tourism areas along the south and west coasts.”

    The general thrust of Section 3.3 (Tourism) of the PDP is as noted above but also “….to discourage expansion of coastal tourism districts beyond existing developed areas”.

    Section says “ All new development in coastal development areas will be consistent with policies of the Integrated Coastal Zone Management Plan”.

    Is the proposed development at Skeete’s Bay consistent with this Plan. Is this Plan a public document? Where can it be found? The link below seems to indicate that a Plan was commisioned and prepared 1196-1999.

  65. @all

    i congrtulate mac for refusing to sell. a lot of prime lands blacks had end up in the hands of expatriate whites. But we must recognize money speak in this county and pliticians cannot be trusted. lets see what happen after elections next year relative to the project.

    Remember i think the the john moore shop was acquire for natioanal good. can the govt acquire the properties involved for natioanl good;the development?

  66. This is a good time to have a discussion about life in Barbados for those who cannot fly to Miami or even st.Lucia for a vacation.

    Barbadians have supported the Tourism industry by staying away from the Beaches in front of Hotels on the West and South Coasts.

    On bank holidays they DO NOT go to Hotel beaches.

    It is important that traditional locations and Beaches on the east coast be preserved for the public use.

    I accept that Barbados desperately needs to create jobs but government should seriously consider the fact that 280,000 people live on an Island where they are not welcome or wanted on the West and South coast beaches.

  67. “The DLP ministers who represent St. Philip should thread very carefully….” At last someone else recognises there are a lot of crab holes i that area of St. philip and when crabs come out!!! what was the MP doing at the meeting? Does he understand that even as Independants both Bag and Mac can create history again …

  68. This issue is should also be discussed as a matter of National interest.

    Is there a risk in Developing more East coast beaches for Tourism.

    Does anyone care about having “green space” or should building the concrete ring around Barbados continue.

  69. Listen to me all you people of a kinder complexion..this is Barbados OK..if we like ole fishing villages and sea baths….leave it so…You don’t see us going to the Mudda Country telling wanna how to run tings right Rosemary at el…..if it go be candles it go be candle …you all can repatriate.

    We like um So !!! D Bajan way

  70. It seems to me that there is mis-information floating around in Barbados.

    The restaurant by the jetty is apparently NOT a part of the planning application for the proposed resort – only a “by-the-way” idea of Mr. Doyle. The site in question (at least as presented at the meeting) was the open stretch of (private) land at Whitehaven located between the southern edge of the beach at Skeete’s Bay and Culpepper Island. Note that Gov’t owns most of the beach lands north of this site including the fishing complex.

    I know (as confirmed to me) that a previous application for change of use was withdrawn, but that a new application has been recently lodged for the resort. It is also known that the building being constructed on the land is a single dwellinghouse – a showhome (with planning permission).

    So the proposed development is not going to ‘take away’ what we know as Skeetes Bay, but I would need to be assured that I could ALWAYS use the Bay, the jetty, the 50m of adjacent coastline and culpepper island as is done today. Any development will certainly change what is now the norm – there would have to be some umbrellas by the beach – but as most of the beach is gov’t-owned, surely govt can control any encroachment. I particularly liked RPB’s comments about fishing on the jetty (and along the coast) no matter what happens – and he is right!

    Access – Mac has a good point – I don’t know how they will get in either. Some local road upgrades will be required as well which should benefit the area in any case. But access to the site cannot work as it is now.

    Water – there is no way this development could be built until the proposed BWA upgrades happen!

    Soil – out there has some clay in parts – so $$ will need to be spent to ensure that foundations are secure and kept fairly dry (i.e. sewers).

    If and when all the technical issues are solved, my questions would be:
    1) Can the resort be built sensitively enough to have only a minimal impact on the community?
    2) Does Gov’t need the foreign investment?
    3) Are there genuine community benefits that the developer could offer – not just the promise of jobs, etc.?

    Only time will tell how this one pans out…

    • @Hants

      Well said tongue in cheek no doubt.

      The seriousness of the problem is that if a BLP is returned the power what will be their plan?

  71. Doyle is the second “developer” in 10 years with plans for this area.
    After Independence St. Catherine Cricket Club was moved to its present location when a group of bajans (?) had the plan to develop from Ragged Point to Skeete’s Bay into a kind of Sunset St. James area development . At that time 2 key landowners refused to sell. The project did not get off the ground then.

  72. Follow what is happening at another development,Harlequin

    Update 14th February 2012
    Storm Clouds are gathering on the Horizon for Harlequin. This is one Storm that the good ship Harlequin and its senior Crew will not be able to Weather. You could call it the Perfect Storm created by Ames and his trusted Lieutenants and no one else.

    Harlequin are in deep trouble financially and are now hoping against hope that new investors will invest in the Harlequin Investment Fund.
    Banks and Main Stream Financial Institutions have walked away.
    HMSSE Harlequin’s UK arm have failed to date to file their audited accounts for 2011, an Offence in the UK. Harlequin refuse to provide Audited accounts in the Caribbean or more importantly can’t as their Caribbean Auditors are refusing to still sign off on the previous years accounts for Ames’s Caribbean companies over fears that they are wholly over stretched and not in a position to make good on their current commitments.

  73. Thanks David

    This does not create an investment favored air for overseas investors….What this does for Four Seasons is create more stress for the Professor…I hope all Barbadians and more so politicians TAKE NOTE..

  74. @ IslandGal,

    The people who worked on the crane were not all Bajans but mostly Guyanese and yes the conditions on the site were less than favourable to say the least.

    IT is time that we begin to stand up as a people, hurray! to Mac and the crew.

    • Based in media reports Doyle has moved back from the restaurant in Skeete’s Bay.

      The question remains: will the Town Planning approve the project with the narrow access if Mac and the others don’t sell?

  75. “The question remains: will the Town Planning approve the project with the narrow access if Mac and the others don’t sell?”

    Why do you think the pols are not making political and electioneering capital out of this by being on the people’s side? The people behind the project have already been given the assurances with the relevant quid pro quo that every thing would work out fine in the end. Just let the natives let off steam as a nine day wonder. T&CP already in the bag.

    Money makes the mare fly!

  76. The question is, can government acquiry a person’s property, to allow another private individual to benefit from it. my understanding is that only if the property is to be used by the government, can the property be compulsary acquiried

  77. @islandgal246 | February 9, 2012 at 10:30 AM |

    stop living in a fantasy world. just because it never came to light does not dictate that Giselle fabricated it. i bet people like u go to baxters road often or used to (i never did nor would) and u would buy fish from the sellers but there was one who sold u fish fried in oil that was filled with dead cockroaches. no one ever talk about it but who knew never bought from her. yes i knew about it. i heard stories which i believed to be fabricated until told to me by someone who did it. they worked at a bakery and would ‘hawk up’ mucous from their throat and deposited into the dough/ no one knew, the bread was sold. u can choose to believe or not, i don’t care. nasty things happen and it is never reported. those two situations i know of, why should i report them? how could i prove them? except for the cockroaches swimming in the cooking oil, the one with the mucous had been bandied around for awhile and others like you choose to believe it was a lie – silly person u are

    • @Clone

      Let us give Pat Hoyos a pass.

      He always seem to be on the side of the rich foreign investor, remember Peter Allard in the Kingsland Affair?

      After covering the initial story not a column out of him when Allard sued all of Barbados.

  78. more foreign dirty money funding so called projects in Barbados.
    i say like other islands that the land can only be leased not sold
    to who knows.mafia,gangsters,cartels,
    do we even know where this money to fund all this building comes from????????
    would be a good way to clean dirty money huh.
    gee i wonder……..?

  79. Choc o Hussle
    u would buy fish from the sellers but there was one who sold u fish fried in oil that was filled with dead cockroaches. no one ever talk about it but who knew never bought from her.

    What don’t kill does fatten…In Asia they yam the ole cockroach and almost the entire bug family.In India its the BBQ field rodent ..rat. Not only baxters rd. but many other indoor establishments and prepackage food-ers. Caviet Empor pardon my latin .

  80. It’s time Lashley and Estwick come clean or disassociate themselves from their SEATS come next elections.
    It’s simple Doyle or The People ?
    Mac has thrown down the gauntlet….

  81. I have some questions
    1. Who are the architects
    2. Who are the engineering firm
    3. Who are the project management firms
    4. Who are the quantity surveyor firms
    5. Who are the building contractors
    6. Who are the construction firms

  82. why not sell the whole of Barbados to the Americans. they will soon sort things out with the English.we could become an American state.
    that would be cool.
    look just sell all of Barbados to who ever got money who cares it is just our blood and sweat that built it and made it how it is.
    black and white slaves built this island.
    now our government [all blacks by the way] selling it to thieves and crooks from who knows where..
    nice one keep it up.soon some bombs may go off in little bim.
    what a pity.
    oh well money and a fancy car and a fancy tv and cell phone is all does matter to we stupid bajans.
    real cool.

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