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Reverend Charles Morris considers himself to be the most misunderstood man in Barbados. In has been just over a week the Anglican priest, who has been unassigned a Church for some time, deposited a thesis which has created consternation in a society known for its Christian influence.

Reverend Morris’ thesis states that no where in the Bible does it condemn pre-marital sex. He agrees however the Christian thing to do is to have sex in wedlock. BU has been able to attract over time some of the best dividers of the word in the world, we are certain the BU family is equipped to validate Morris’ thesis or shatter it to smithereens.

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306 responses to “Reverend Charles Morris Maybe A Misunderstood Man”

  1. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    “HE DOES NOTHING UNLESS HE REVEALS IT TO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS!”

    What a load of rubbish you shouting. Like massa, you have to take a guess at God. He revealed only what you needed to know so that you would bow down and worship.

  2. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    “Do you know what has been written?”

    I care not except so far as it makes my people vulnerable. That is for you to hold hold on to. It makes no difference to me nor to the truth.

    “If you are you having problems understanding Biblical contexualization”

    That’s the problem. No such thing. Biblical contextualisation is no more than trickery with a strong determination to deceive.

  3. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    Sex as a Divine Gift.

    It is noteworthy that the wise man Solomon mentions together bread, wine, clothing and marital love as the good gifts that God has approved for our enjoyment: “Go, eat your bread with enjoyment, and drink your wine with a merry heart; for God has already approved what you do.

    Let your garments be always white; let not oil be lacking on your head. Enjoy life with the wife whom you love,all the days of your life which He has given you under the sun, because that is your portion in life and in your toil at which you toil under the sun” (Eccl 9:7-9).

    Sexual activity is generally more important to humans than it is to animals. It is significant that among the mammals, only the human female is capable of enjoying sexual orgasm as well as the male.

    It is recognized that this experience binds a woman to her partner emotionally as well as physically. The fact that both the human male and female can share together in the pleasure of sexual intercourse indicates that God intended marital sex to be enjoyed by both partners.

    In the Song of Songs, the celebration of sexual love between the bride and bridegroom is expressed in suggestive romantic words: “I am my beloved’s, and his desire is for me. Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the fields and lodge in the villages; let us go out early to the vineyards . . . There I will give you my love” (Song of Songs 7:10-12).

    The same positive view of marital sex is found in the New Testament. In his letter to the Corinthians, Paul urges husbands and wives to fulfill their marital duties together, because their bodies do not belong to themselves alone but to each other.

    Therefore they should not deprive each other of sex, except by mutual agreement for a time to devote themselves to prayer. Then they should come together again lest Satan tempt them through lack of self-control (1 Cor 7:2-5).

    In Ephesians Paul speaks of the physical union of a man and a woman as a profound “mystery” reflecting Christ’s love for His church. Therefore, we should not be uneasy about marital sex, because when we come together we are experiencing something of the mysterious redemptive love of Christ for the world.

    The author of Hebrews admonishes that “Marriage should be honoured by all, and the marriage bed kept pure” (Heb 13:4 NIV).

    Here, marital sex is extolled as honorable, something not to be embarrassed about. But the same writer adds, “God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral” (Heb 13:4 NIV).

    Bible writers are unanimous in commending sex within marriage and in condemning all forms of sexual activity outside marriage.

    Paul warns the Corinthians, “Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral . . . nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders . . . will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor. 6:9,10 NIV).

    The book of Revelation places the “fornicators” among those whose “lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur” (Rev 21:8).

    Sex as Procreation.

    In the Bible the function of sex, as noted earlier, is not only unitive but also procreative. It not only serves to engender a mysterious oneness of spirit, but it also offers the possibility of bringing children into this world.

    God’s command “Be fruitful and multiply” (Gen 1:28) expresses God’s original intent for the purpose of sex. Through marital sex and the birth of children, God enables men and women to reflect His image by sharing in His creative activity. This means that sex in marriage without the intention of having children fails to fulfill a fundamental divine purpose for sex. The lengths to which some married couples will go in order to have children reveals the deep creative urge God has placed within us.

    Of course, not all couples are able to have or are justified in having children. Old age, infertility, and genetic diseases are but some of the factors that make childbearing impossible or inadvisable.

    For the vast majority of couples, however, sex in marriage should include the desire to have children.

    As sex consummates the act of marriage, so children consummate the sexual act.

    This does not mean that every act of sexual union should result in conception, but rather that the desire for having children should be part of the overall intent of sexual relations.

    Various contraceptive techniques make it possible today to separate sexual activity from childbearing.

    A growing number of couples choose to enjoy a lifetime of sexual activity without desiring or planning for children.

    They are not simply concerned about delaying their arrival but in avoiding them altogether. Children are seen as a threat to their high standards of living associated with two incomes and two careers.

    “We are not meant to separate sex from childbearing” writes David Phypers, “and those who do, totally and finally, purely for personal reasons, are surely falling short of God’s purpose for their lives. They run the risk that their marriage and sexual activity may become self-indulgent. They will only look inwards to their own self-satisfaction, rather than outwards to the creative experiences of bringing new life into the world and nurturing it to maturity.”9

    The life-begetting function of sex enables a married couple to further God’s creative work by becoming procreators with Him.

    It is altogether consistent with God’s creative work that the sexual life-begetting experience should be joyous. Did not God’s angels shout for joy at His first creation (Job 38:7)?

    Bringing into life a new person in God’s image is a joyful and solemn privilege delegated by God to married couples. In this sense, they become workers together with God in furthering His creation.

    Importance of Children.

    Children are a fundamental part of our marriage and sexual relationships. They represent God’s blessings upon the marital union.

    The Psalmist expresses this truth, saying: “Sons are a heritage from the Lord, children a reward from Him. Like the arrows in the hands of a warrior are the sons born in one’s youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them” (Ps 127:3-5 NIV).

    The population explosion has not rescinded God’s command to be fruitful and multiply. World famine is not so much the result of too many people as much as the result of greed, exploitation, irresponsible governments, misuse of natural resources, and unwillingness to adopt more effective methods of agriculture and to teach people responsible family planning.

    While a number of developing countries are facing population explosions, most Western countries are experiencing population stagnation or decline.

    Western societies are aging, and unless the current trend is reversed, it will soon become increasingly difficult for them to support their ever-growing numbers of elderly people.

    We no longer need large families, but we still need families. The church needs Christian families that can share with the world the love of God experienced in the home.

    Society needs the service and moral influence of Christian families. Most Western societies live today in what social analysts call the “Post-Christian era.” This is the era in which social values and practices are influenced no longer by Christian principles but rather by humanistic ideologies.

    The latter promote a secular view of marriage and a hedonistic view of sex.

    Marriage has become a dissolvable social contract rather than a permanent sacred covenant, and sex is regarded primarily as a recreational activity rather than as a procreational responsibility.

    As Christians, we are called not to conform to the world (Rom 12:2) but to transform the world through God’s given principles and power. In the area of marriage and sex, we must show to the world that we obey God’s command to “Be fruitful and multiply” (Gen 1:22) and not to “put asunder what God has united” (Matt 19:6).

  4. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    “The mind of God is NOT* up for speculative analysis.”

    You should remember that when you try interpreting to your own ends. Take a look at your speculative analysis above… Void of facts.

  5. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    @ ROK
    “Biblical contextualisation is no more than trickery with a strong determination to deceive…”

    Is that a STATEMENT OF FACT* or a self-indulgent opinion?

    As educated as you are – do we conclude that you do NOT* possess the ability to read within “CONTEXT”?

    Most of us would want to believe that you possess the wherewithal to read a passage and be able (according to the DICTIONARY) to “read fully enough to get a good meaning…”

    So c’mon BRUV – please tell us where does the DECEPTION* lie?

  6. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    @ ROK
    “You should remember that when you try interpreting to your own ends. Take a look at your speculative analysis above… Void of facts…”

    Are we talking about the same things here?

    Your statement subsumes that you yourself have an angle on the MIND OF GOD* which places you in a strategic position to be able to decipher what is FACTUAL* and what’s not…

    Surely you can’t eat your cake and want to have it too???

  7. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    @ ROK

    You use loose* words like “MASSA”, “HYPOCRISY”, “MY PEOPLE” and a whole sleuth of euphemisms to supposedly describe and justify a position that you hold…

    But does that position have any real basis in the postmodern reality of the 21st century given the fragmentation the world has undergone and the separate reality of people’s lives and their individuality?

    I applaud your MESSIANIC* zeal but it may be ill-placed and time-place distanced from the reality of everyday life on the ground…

  8. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    Sex Outside Marriage.

    Nowhere has Christian morality come under greater attack than in the whole area of sex outside marriage.

    The Biblical teaching that sex is only for marriage does not even enter the thinking of most people today.

    The Biblical condemnation of illicit sexual acts has become for many a license for sexual experimentation.

    The popular acceptance of sexual permissiveness is evidenced by the introduction and use of “softer terms.”

    Fornication, for example, is referred to as “pre-marital sex” with the accent on the “pre” rather than on the “marital.”

    Adultery is now called “extra-marital sex,” implying an additional experience like some extra-professional activities.

    Homosexuality has gradually been softened from serious perversion through “deviation” to “gay variation.”

    Pornographic literature and films are now available to “mature audiences” or “adults.”

    More and more, Christians are giving in to the specious argument that “Love makes it right.”

    If a man and a woman are deeply and genuinely in love, they have the right to express their love through sexual union without marriage.

    Some contend that pre-marital sex releases people from their inhibitions and moral hangups, giving them a sense of emotional freedom.

    The truth of the matter is that pre-marital sex adds emotional pressure because it reduces sexual love to a purely physical level without the total commitment of two married people.

    Biblical Condemnation.

    The Biblical condemnation of sexual relations before or outside marriage is abundantly clear.

    Adultery, or sexual intercourse between married women or married men and someone other than their marital partners, is condemned as a serious sin.

    Not only is adultery forbidden in both versions of the Decalogue (Ex 20:14; Deut 5:18), but it was also punishable by death in ancient Israel: “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death” (Lev 20:10; cf. 18:20; Deut 22:22-24).

    The same punishment was meted out to a man or a woman who engaged in pre-marital sex (Deut 22:13-21, 23-27).

    The New Testament goes beyond the Old Testament by internalizing the whole sexuality of a person and placing it within the context of motivation.

    Jesus emphasized that to entertain lustful desires toward a person of the opposite sex outside marriage means to be guilty of adultery (Matt 5:27-28).

    The reason for this is that defilement comes not only from outward acts but also from inward thoughts, which in Biblical symbology derive from the heart: “Out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a man” (Matt 15:19-20).

    Sexual laxness was pervasive in the Greco-Roman world of New Testament times. Hence, one of the conditions the Jerusalem council made for the inclusion of the Gentiles in the Christian Church was that they should abstain from all forms of “unchastity” (Acts 15:20,29).

    Paul’s letters reveal the difficulties the apostle had in leading Gentile converts away from sexual immorality.

    To the Thessalonians, he wrote: “For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from unchastity; that each of you know how to take a wife for himself in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like heathen who do not know God” (1 Thess 4:2-5).

    Here Paul admonishes those who had sexual urges to satisfy them by entering not into temporary relationships “in the passion of lust like the heathen who do not know God,” but into permanent marital relationships.

    Such relationships are to be characterized by “holiness and honor.”

    Paul is most explicit in his condemnation of prostitution. He asks the Corinthians who lived in the celebrated sex center of the Mediterranean world: “Do you now know that he who joins himself to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, ‘The two shall become one flesh.’ But he who is unified to the Lord becomes one spirit with Him. Shun immorality.

    Every other sin which a man commits is outside the body; but the immoral man sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own; you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body” (1 Cor 6:16-20).

    Reasons for Condemnation.

    In this passage, Paul helps us to see why the Bible strongly condemns sex outside marriage.

    Sex represents the most intimate of all interpersonal relationships, expressing a “one-flesh” unity of total commitment. Such a unity of commitment cannot be expressed or experienced in a casual sexual union with a prostitute where the concern is purely commercial and recreational.

    The only oneness experienced in such sexual unions is the oneness of sexual immorality.

    Sexual immorality is serious because it affects the individual more deeply and permanently than any other sin.

    Paul describes it as a sin committed inside the body: “Every other sin which a man commits is outside the body; but the immoral man sins against his own body” (1 Cor 6:18).

    It might be objected that all sins of sensuality such as gluttony or drunkenness affect a person inside the body.

    Yet they do not have the same permanent effect on the personality as the sin of fornication.

    Indulgence in eating or drinking can be overcome, stolen goods can be returned, lies can be retracted and replaced by the truth.

    But the sexual act, once committed with another person, cannot be undone. A radical change has taken place in the interpersonal relationship of the couple involved that can never be undone.

    Something indelible has stamped on them both forever. Even with a prostitute, sexual union leaves its permanent mark. It is a spot in the consciousness that cannot be removed.

    “The immoral man sins against his own body.” This truth is openly rejected by those who regard pre-marital sex not as sinful, but as helpful to a satisfactory sexual adjustment in marriage.

    Some even believe that sexual relations with the person one intends to marry are necessary to guarantee sexual compatibility.

    Such attitudes fail to recognize that sexual intercourse before marriage is the worst possible preparation for marriage. The reasons for this are not difficult to discover.

    Sex without Commitment.

    To begin with, sex before marriage is sex without commitment. If we do not like our partners, we can change and find somebody else.

    Such casual relationships destroy the integrity of the person by reducing it to an object to be used for personal gratification.

    Some, who feel hurt and used after sexual encounters, may withdraw altogether from sexual activity for fear of being used again or may decide to use their bodies selfishly, without regard to the feeling of others.

    Either way, our sexuality is distorted because it destroys the possibility of using it to relate genuinely and intimately toward the one we love.

    Sex cannot be used as a means for fun with one partner at one time and as a way to express genuine love and commitment with another partner at another time.

    Those who become accustomed to a variety of sexual partners will find it difficult, if not impossible, to express through sex their total commitment and final intimacy to their marital partners.

    Engaged couples will probably deny that when they sleep together they are not expressing genuine commitment to one another.

    But if they were fully and finally committed to each other, they would be married.

    Engagement is the preparation for marriage, but it is not marriage. Until the wedding vows are taken, the possibility of breaking up a relationship exists.

    If a couple has had intercourse together, they have compromised their relationship.

    Any subsequent break up will leave permanent emotional scars. It is only when we are willing to become one, not only verbally but also legally by assuming responsibility for our partners, that we can seal our relationships through sexual intercourse.

    In this setting, sex fittingly expresses the ultimate commitment and the final intimacy.

    Marriage licenses and wedding ceremonies are not mere formalities but serve to formalize the marriage commitment.

    As Elizabeth Achtemeier explains: “Just the fact that such young people [living together] are hesitant legally to seal their union is evidence that their commitment to one another is not total.

    Marriage licenses and ceremonies are not only legal formalities; they are also symbols of responsibility. They say publicly, what is affirmed privately, without reservation, that I am responsible for my mate—responsible not only in all those lovely emotional and spiritual areas of married life, but responsible also in the down-to-earth areas that have to do with grubby things like money, health insurance, and property.

    For example, two people just living together have no obligation for each other when the tax form comes up for an audit, or the other is involved in a car accident and legal suit; but persons holding a marriage license do have such responsibility, and commitment to a marriage involves accepting that public responsibility too.

    It is a matter of accepting the full obligations that society imposes on its adult members in order to ensure the common good.”14

  9. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    OFF TOPIC>>>

    PRESCRIBING JESUS GETS DOCTOR CENSURED…

    Richard Scott, a doctor for 28 years, is under investigation by the BRITISH* General Medical Council (GMC) and faces disciplinary action after he suggested to a 24-year-old man that he might find solace in Christianity…

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/offbeat/prescribing-jesus-gets-doctor-censured-dpgonc-km-20110522_13318742

  10. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    “Richard Scott, a doctor for 28 years, is under investigation by the BRITISH* General Medical Council (GMC) and faces disciplinary action after he suggested to a 24-year-old man that he might find solace in Christianity…”

    Talk about on-the-ground reality? There is no doubt that the godly doctor exceeded his bounds.

  11. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    “Your statement subsumes that you yourself have an angle on the MIND OF GOD”

    No, not THE MIND OF GOD, just the MO.

  12. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    “You use loose* words like “MASSA”, “HYPOCRISY”, “MY PEOPLE””

    What is so loose about Massa? It is a corruption of the word Master in case you want to know. You don’t know the meaning of hypocrisy? There is nothing loose about that meaning either. It means talking one thing from the corner of your mouth and doing the opposite.

    Well I forgive you for not knowing who my people are. Surely you can’t know that.

    Here endeth the lesson.

  13. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    “Marriage licenses and ceremonies are not only legal formalities; they are also symbols of responsibility. They say publicly, what is affirmed privately, without reservation, that I am responsible for my mate…”

    Get real. With the amount of divorces going on and the shacking-up, those words represent, not an affirmation, but an intent. We know how circumstances change intent. The confusion which the church has thrown up about marriage, in reality it makes those vows only a matter of intent. There is no doubt that the church got it wrong and the evidence of divorce and shack-up rates is plain to see.

  14. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    “I applaud your MESSIANIC* zeal but it may be ill-placed and time-place distanced from the reality of everyday life on the ground…”

    I applaud yours too, only, the reality of everyday life is reflected in the fact that Christian marriages are becoming a thing of the past and even Christians are defying the church and shacking up. Yes, it is about the reality of everyday life that causes them to defy because the rules are at odds with the reality.

  15. Bonny Peppa Avatar
    Bonny Peppa

    ROK
    I now see y i does cannnnn find you sumtimes when i call you cell-fone. you does be in a closet hiding too. ya now sell out yaself. wait til i get my handz pun ya rast-clawt. ya dead ta me. ya two timin sun of a who-cut-ya hair. i kno de trute wooda cum out. ya ass is g-rass.

    BAF
    ROK is a perfeck fit. na alterations nes’ry. De ansa ta ev’ry woman’z dreamzzzz.

  16. Set you free Avatar
    Set you free

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/22/opinion/22kristof.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
    Religion and Sex Quiz
    By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
    Faith is a huge force in American life, and it’s common to hear the Bible cited to bolster political and moral positions, especially against same-sex marriage and abortion. So here’s my 2011 religion quiz. Choose the best responses (some questions may have more than one correct answer):

    1. The Bible’s position on abortion is:

    a. Never mentioned.

    b. To forbid it along with all forms of artificial birth control.

    c. Condemnatory, except to save the life of the mother.

    2. The Bible suggests “marriage” is:

    a. The lifelong union of one man and one woman.

    b. The union of one man and up to 700 wives.

    c. Often undesirable, because it distracts from service to the Lord.

    3. The Bible says of homosexuality:

    a. Leviticus describes male sexual pairing as an abomination.

    b. A lesbian should be stoned at her father’s doorstep.

    c. There’s plenty of ambiguity and no indication of physical intimacy, but some readers point to Ruth and Naomi’s love as suspiciously close, or to King David declaring to Jonathan: “Your love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.” (II Samuel 1:23-26)

    4. In the Bible, erotic writing is:

    a. Forbidden by Deuteronomy as “adultery of the heart.”

    b. Exemplified by “Song of Songs,” which celebrates sex for its own sake.

    c. Unmentioned.

    5. Jesus says that divorce is permitted:

    a. Only after counseling and trial separation.

    b. Never.

    c. Only to men whose wives have been unfaithful.

    6. Among sexual behavior that is forbidden is:

    a. Adultery.

    b. Incest.

    c. Sex with angels.

    7. The people of Sodom were condemned principally for:

    a. Homosexuality.

    b. Blasphemy.

    c. Lack of compassion for the poor and needy.

    This quiz, and the answers below, draw from a new book, “Unprotected Texts: The Bible’s Surprising Contradictions about Sex and Desire.” It’s by Jennifer Wright Knust, a Bible scholar at Boston University who is also an ordained American Baptist pastor.

    Professor Knust’s point is that the Bible’s teachings about sexuality are murky and inconsistent and prone to being hijacked by ideologues (this quiz involves some cherry-picking of my own). There’s also lots we just don’t understand: What exactly is the offense of “arsenokoitai” or “man beds” that St. Paul proscribes? It is often translated as a reference to homosexuality, but it more plausibly relates to male prostitution or pimping. Ambiguity is everywhere, which is why some of you will surely harrumph at my quiz answers:

    1. A. Abortion is never mentioned as such.

    2. A, B and C. The Bible limits women to one husband, but other than that is all over the map. Mark 10 envisions a lifelong marriage of one man and one woman. But King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines (I Kings 11:3). And Matthew (Matthew 19:10-12) and St. Paul (I Corinthians 7) both seem to suggest that the ideal approach is to remain celibate and avoid marriage if possible, while focusing on serving God. Jesus (Matthew 19:12) even seems to suggest that men make themselves eunuchs, leading the early church to ban enthusiasts from self-castration.

    3. A and C. As for stoning on a father’s doorstep, that is the fate not of lesbians but of non-virgin brides (Deuteronomy 22:13).

    4. B. Read the “Song of Songs” and blush. It also serves as a metaphor for divine relations with Israel or with humans.

    5. B and C. Jesus in Mark 10:11-12 condemns divorce generally, but in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9 suggests that a man can divorce his wife if she is guilty of sexual immorality.

    6. A, B and C. We forget that early commentators were very concerned about sex with angels (Genesis 6, interpreted in the Letter of Jude and other places) as an incorrect mixing of two kinds.

    7. C. “Sodomy” as a term for gay male sex began to be commonly used only in the 11th century and would have surprised early religious commentators. They attributed Sodom’s problems with God to many different causes, including idolatry, threats toward strangers and general lack of compassion for the downtrodden. Ezekiel 16:49 suggests that Sodomites “had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.”

    Hmm. “Did not aid the poor and needy.” Who knew that that’s what the Bible condemns as sodomy? At a time of budget cuts that devastate the poor, isn’t that precisely the kind of disgusting immorality that we should all join together in the spirit of the Bible to repudiate?

  17. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @ Bonny
    Well, we could get married. Only thing I want to try the pre-marital, sweets. I got to be careful cause I is a diabetic so it can’t be too sweet. Got to try it first.

  18. Terence Blackett Avatar
    Terence Blackett

    @ ROK
    “There is no doubt that the church got it wrong and the evidence of divorce and shack-up rates is plain to see…”

    Operative word -“CHURCH” as an institution…

    Could it be another example of mis-contextualization and possible mis-interpretation on the part of feeble minds?

    The Word of God remains crystal clear my dear brother!!!

  19. Terence Blackett Avatar
    Terence Blackett

    @ ROK
    ““Marriage licenses and ceremonies are not only legal formalities; they are also symbols of responsibility. They say publicly, what is affirmed privately, without reservation, that I am responsible for my mate…”

    IS THIS NOT THE “IDEAL”???

    No one denies the prevalence of “DIVORCE” at the staggering rates we are currently seeing… I had Dr. James Dobson deny my own researched stats on this issue – so again, NOTHING NEW THERE!!!

    Thankfully, the 50% of us who remain faithful to our vows recognize the importance of the covenant IDEALS* as set forth in Scripture!!!

  20. Terence Blackett Avatar
    Terence Blackett

    @ ROK
    “Well I forgive you for not knowing who my people are. Surely you can’t know that…”

    Unfortunately my dear BRUV* – I am not a MOSES* – neither do I choose to possess the same messianic fervor which propels you into the choices you make…

    For me, “ONE” man called the “SON OF MAN” paid the ultimate sacrifice for a bunch of ungrateful ingrates called “HUMANITY”* – so based on that, I am able to conclude that they are really HIS PEOPLE* – not mine, thank you very much!!!

  21. Terence Blackett Avatar
    Terence Blackett

    @ ROK
    “No, not THE MIND OF GOD, just the MO…”

    Please, pray tell us what that MODUS OPERANDI* is?

  22. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    It aint Friday yet??????

  23. David Avatar
    David

    @ROK and TB

    Ok we have reached the point where we always get to on these subjects trying to argue faith versus science. Coming out of the exchanges here is a long hanging observation by BU:

    Barbados is accepted to be a Christian society yet from time immemorial we have accepted common law relationships which by implication suggest an abundance of pre-marital sex at play. In fact common law is recognized under the law when dealing with the rights of man, woman and child in relationships. In response to Morris’ assertion whether you agree with him or not the question must be answered:

    Why the righteous indignation by our ‘Christian’ society when by the majority of our actions (for all to see) we engage in premarital sex as if it were a stroll in the park on a Sunday afternoon?

  24. Bonny Peppa Avatar
    Bonny Peppa

    ROK
    It in get na sweeta dhan de las time you had um n it din raise ya blood-suga den. diabetes did de las ting pun you mind den. or you did only foolin me when you did callin me ‘Sweet-P’?
    ya dang’rus.

  25. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ David…
    Why the righteous indignation by our ‘Christian’ society when by the majority of our actions (for all to see) we engage in premarital sex as if it were a stroll in the park on a Sunday afternoon?

    Easy answer……HYPOCRISY!!

  26. islandgal246 Avatar
    islandgal246

    In the history of the world, nothing has been the catalyst of more grief, hatred, war, and crime than religion. Religion allows a person to hate, kill, torture, or steal, while allowing him to excuse himself of all blame. Religion causes people to break the laws of ethics and morality in the name of a god.

    Religion dulls the mind and weakens the senses. It makes “God did it” seem like a reasonable answer to anything at all, squelching questions of why, how, and when, and replacing these questions with repeated mantras and prayers to nobody.

    Religion is exquisitely profitable, with most adherents tithing a portion of their income. The churches, synagogues, and mosques, which do little to serve their community outside of “outreach programs” (marketing and recruiting), pay almost no taxes.

    Religion spreads like disease through societies, rarely coexisting with pre-existing mythologies, rather preferring to conquer or be conquered. Religion is anything but tolerant.

    American Atheists is not afraid to point out that which is true: religion is ridiculous. Mythology and religion are synonymous, and none is better than another. Religion is malicious, malevolent, and unworthy of respect.

    From American Athesist
    http://www.atheists.org/religion

  27. BMcDonald Avatar
    BMcDonald

    Kudos to Terrence Blackett for staying on point. Perhaps BU can attract a response from Rev. Morris on the prohibitions in the torah and the Sermon on the Mount. Deuteronomy 22:29 sex with the unmarried woman is variously translated as “dishonoring” her or “violating” her and the remedy provided is a permanent marital obligation. The permanent marital obligation is also reflected in the words of Jesus, Matthew 5:31 and 32. Legislatures and Courts have made divorce easy, not churches. But the tide may be turning, even no fault jurisdictions are now requiring marital counselling as a prefiling requirement in divorce matters.

  28. Terence Blackett Avatar
    Terence Blackett

    @ Set you free | May 23, 2011 at 8:23 PM |
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/22/opinion/22kristof.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
    Religion and Sex Quiz By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF…

    HERE IS THE FEMINIST* AGENDA BEHIND DR. JENNIFER WRIGHT KNUST AS CITED IN KRISTOFF’S RATHER SPECIOUS QUIZZICAL ATTEMPT AT UNDERMINING YET UNDERGIRDING THE REBEL ATTEMPT BY A SO-CALLED SCHOLAR WHO THINKS SHE HAS THE INSPIRATIONAL EXEGETICAL PATENT ON GOD’S WORD – THE BIBLE….

    Here is the agenda that lies behind her so-called “SCHOLARLY” attempt in her OP-ED in the Washington Post series & exemplified by the book to which she links, A Feminist Companion to the Bible, Volume 2 by Athalya Brenner and Carole R. Fontaine:

    “Admitting that we, too, want something, that we too have desires and longings, perhaps we can also admit that we never approach the Bible without some kind of agenda. We are not passive recipients of what the Bible says, but active interpreters who make decisions about what we will believe and what we will affirm. Since the Bible offers so little in the way of consistent advice about marriage, sexuality and desire, it is time to quit using it as a justification for our moral decrees. In conversation with the Bible, we might develop a more nuanced and informed perspective on what it has meant to be human, but we will not find easy solutions to the sharp debates that have been tearing apart communities and bodies for the last several decades. As my mother would say: stop it. Anyone who uses either God or the Bible to preach hate or to deny love and affection to others has failed as both a lover of the Bible and a person of faith.” [Emphasis added.]

    WHAT GROSS DECEPTION!!!

    “As the present day confusion and misunderstanding of the Scriptures among Christendom is proven by the multiplicity of sects, it is evident that the churches are in the Laodicean state: “Wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.” And by denying the charge of this plain statement proves the words of the “True Witness” correct, “and knowest not.” While they think they are right, the “True Witness” declares: “Thou art all wrong.” What greater deception than this? (Read Rev. 3:14-18.) Since the Bible plainly says that it is the “truth” that shall make us “free,” we can not too closely examine ourselves and the things we believe, for if no two of this multi-sectarian Christianity believe alike, it is evident that most, if not all, are blind. And as the Bible is correct in the words: “If the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch,” then it would be useless to dispute the truth — the world is headed for the “ditch.” Would not this indisputable statement arouse the professed people of God from their slumber and sleep? Past experiences prove that many will say, “It is not I.” Knowing that this deception would arise in the last days, God has devised this pictorial representation of the truth, by which He is able to enlighten His church and call out His people.”

    “While the enemy has succeeded in confusing the written Word, God lightens the earth with His glory by these symbolic revelations; and by which He discloses the entire truth and uncovers the traps of the devil! Thus through types and symbols He makes wise the simple and confounds the prudent by showing that where there is no type there is no truth.”

    In What Manner Were The Scriptures Given? The Way God Speaks To Us

    “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son.” (Heb. 1:1.) God called Abraham by His voice. He also conversed with him through angels, dreams. (Gen. 12:1; 15:12, 13;17:1-6; 18:1-22.) Jacob had the same experience. (See Gen. 28:12; 32:1, 2.) The great I AM spoke to His servant Moses from the burning bush. (Ex. 3:1-10.) Israel heard the voice of God from the cloud on mount Sinai. (Ex. 20:18, 19.) The ten commandments were “written with the finger of God.” (Ex. 31:18.) Pharaoh king of Egypt and Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon were given dreams, but the Spirit of God, through Joseph and Daniel revealed the secrets. (Gen. 41:28-36; Dan. 2:19.) David and Solomon wrote the Psalms and Proverbs, not by visions, dreams or angels, but by the silent voice of the Spirit of God imprinted in the minds of His servants. God spoke to Esther and Ruth by experiences through divine providence. John received the “Revelation” by visions. God speaks to us also by types and anti-types — through the ceremonial law, by the patriarchs, and by the experiences of ancient Israel. (See Shepherd’s Rod, Vol. 1, pp. 223-235.)

    God used the dead and the living, the beasts of the field, the birds of the air, the fish of the sea, the land and water, sun, moon, and stars, to reveal His divine plan and to sustain His servants, etc. (See Gen. 16:7, 9; 1 Sam. 6:7-15; Num. 22:30; 1 Kings 17:4-6; Jonah 2:10; Matt. 17:27; Num. 16:32; Matt. 24:29.) God has a thousand ways whereby He can render help in a moment. Truly, what more could divine love do for fallen human beings?

    How Are The Scriptures Revealed, And Properly Interpreted?

    “Analysis of ancient and modern history, both sacred and secular, prove that sealed, or prophetic truth has never been revealed through the educational system of the world, or by the wisdom of man, but only by the power of God. If anything is true, it is this one thing. Said Jesus: “When He, the Spirit of Truth, is Come, He will guide you into all truth.” (John 16:13.) Christ plainly declares, that we are led into truth, not by wisdom of man but by the Spirit of God. Not into some truth, but in all truth.”

    “When God reveals truth, He is able to lead His servants in all truth, and does not allow such instruments to mix His truth with error. Though they may not understand all, yet the message they bear is the truth and nothing but the truth. Therefore, such truths are originally revealed by inspiration only. When the time divinely appointed is fulfilled, then God calls servants of His own choice, and by the Spirit of Truth reveals a portion of His Word to them. Usually in the form of a message which they must first bear to the church.”

    “By the same power God moved upon His numerous servants, the prophets, each writing a portion of the Bible, and when compiled it made a complete book, dealing with one main subject — salvation in Christ. Though some of these writers lived hundreds of years apart, yet each portion of Scripture perfectly harmonizes, – one throwing light upon another. Thus it proves that God was the overseer of the Scriptures and skillfully led His servants in all truth.”

    Sin Against The Holy Ghost, What Is It?

    “As the Bible is free from error, even so its interpretation under the same Spirit of Inspiration must also be correct. Therefore, the interpretation of the Bible is true, only when it is revealed through a channel of inspiration. In no other way can God lead His people in all truth. Anything less than this cannot disclose Biblical truth, regardless of its simplicity. Said the Angel to Daniel. “But I will shew thee that which is noted in the Scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.” (Dan. 10:21.) One of the gifts for the church in the Christian dispensation, is “prophets.” “And he gave some, apostles; and some prophets.” (Eph. 4:11.)

    “Paul, again declares of the Scriptures in his time and afterwards: “Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto His holy Apostles and Prophets by the Spirit.” (Eph. 3:5.) When the truth of the Scriptures is presented by God’s servants, “the letter” can be understood by all who study it; but the same spirit is required to seal, change the heart, and direct the steps in newness of life. This transforming power is granted only as the receiver of the truth humbly repents from sin, renounces the world and accepts Christ. When such a message is presented, those who oppose the messenger and resist the truth, reject the Spirit, and sin against Him. The Spirit in a message is the only medium to awaken the conscience. When rebelled against, the sinner cuts himself off from the channel through which God communicates.”

    “Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Matt. 12:31, 32.)

    “The antediluvian world sinned against the Holy Ghost, because they believed not in the message of truth sent to save them from the dreadful flood. Therefore, they perished under sin that shall never be forgiven them. The same is true when one revolts against the divine message in any generation. Men are not condemned because they have sinned, but they are condemned when they turn a deaf ear to the divine call that is to save them from their sin.”

    “As all prophetic truths are timely revealed, it is evident that there can be nothing disclosed by the wisdom of man, no matter how simple it may be. When God reveals a portion of His holy Word through one of His chosen instruments, analysis of history prove that they are never erring as far as the message they deliver is concerned. It is also true that those who erred in their supposed message of truth, have had no truth. So the great apostle says: “But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Cor. 2:10-14.) Therefore, when a message is proclaimed, it is either all truth or there is no truth in it, save the quotations of the prophets.”

  29. Terence Blackett Avatar
    Terence Blackett

    @ BMcDonald

    I appreciate your sentiments…

    It’s NOT* difficult to stay on MESSAGE*…. somebody has got to!!!

    Brother, I have a reverential FEAR* for GOD* for it is HIM* I have to answer to – not MAN!!!

    We have succeeded in taking God out of SCIENCE*; out of RELIGION*; out of the hallowed halls of learning; out of the sacred COVENANT* of marriage; out of our ECONOMICS* (yet we are bold enough to say -“IN GOD WE TRUST”, what a JOKE*); we have taken GOD* out of homes, families, pursuits, pleasures – need I go on???

    I don’t think I have to – it’s crystal clear!!!

  30. Terence Blackett Avatar
    Terence Blackett

    @ DAVID

    “In response to Morris’ assertion whether you agree with him or not the question must be answered: Why the righteous indignation by our ‘Christian’ society when by the majority of our actions (for all to see) we engage in premarital sex as if it were a stroll in the park on a Sunday afternoon?”

    SO BECAUSE A MAN IN A FROCK* HOLDS A SUPPOSED RELIGIOUS OPINION – DOES THAT MAKE IT CORRECT*** ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE BASIS OF THE INHERENT VIRTUE & NATURE OF THE SCRIPTURAL “TEXT” WHICH SAYS OTHERWISE?

    So-called good, well-meaning, DELUDED* Christians supported “SLAVERY” – did that make it “RIGHT”?

    Those “QUAKERS” who saw the “EVIL” in that malevolent institution could NOT* side with it regardless of how much “MIS-INTERPRETATION” of Scripture the justifiers brought…. They knew that the “PLAIN” testimony said it was wrong for no man ought to have been a slave to any man (though it existed since time immemorial and all nations, “RACES” (if you can keep up), groups and peoples have at one time or another been subjected to the “TYRANNY” of slavery…

    There are a lot of things the BIBLE* appears* “SILENT” on especially within our pastmodern world condition however, that “INNATE MORAL CODE” which ALL*** men possess knows beyond any shadow of a doubt, what is RIGHT* and what is “WRONG”….

    So it is for us to choose!!! In the end, our “CHOICES” will “JUDGE” us…

    There’s no GUN* at anybody’s head!!!

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    islandgal246

    Any man who claims to be a man of God should never be respected as a man of God! He has to first earn the respect as a man and not as a man of God! Too many don robes and symbols and call themselves God men then go around abusing people with their brand of hogwash called religion.

  36. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    There’s no GUN* at anybody’s head!!!

    You could have fooled me TB !!
    Then when are you and others of your ilk so rabid when dealing with those who doesnt share your views?

    Come again……

  37. Bonny Peppa Avatar
    Bonny Peppa

    islandgal
    I hear a reverend on CBC bout two Fridays ago saying dat God is responsible for everything dat happens. He allows evryting to happen. Dat is scary especially when i tink bout lil chil’ren who are sexually abused.Why would a loving God allow dis to happen? Dese christian teachings n beliefs could be real scary at times.

  38. islandgal246 Avatar
    islandgal246

    Bonny when ignorant and irresponsible people who call themselves men of God utter nonsense like this it makes you wonder. If you listen to what they are saying most of the time they want you to believe in something that makes no sense at all and they call it faith. I can only go by the commonsense that I was born with. If it makes no sense to me in the simplest of language then it is nonsense. These people have given god a face and a sex like AC stated and have idolized a man. When I was growing up and discovering religion, I understood that God was the father. Then one day I heard that Jesus is God now. And this Jesus worship has become so nauseating that it makes me want to scream how stupid people have become. They are clutching at anything and anyone who some preacher tells them who God is. They read long scriptures that makes no sense sending most people to sleep and feel that they have done a fantastic job reading verses form the Bible, verses that say one thing and then in another contradicts it in another verse. All I can say you have to go with your conscience and deep down we know what is right and what is wrong.

  39. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    Bonny Peppa | May 25, 2011 at 3:27 PM |
    islandgal
    I hear a reverend on CBC bout two Fridays ago saying dat God is responsible for everything dat happens. He allows evryting to happen. Dat is scary especially when i tink bout lil chil’ren who are sexually abused.Why would a loving God allow dis to happen? Dese christian teachings n beliefs could be real scary at times.

    But Bonny if I am standing over you watching every move that you make,and is able to manipulate and control your actions, like a puppet on a string, then I am responsible for anything that you do.

  40. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    What still amazes me is how learned men (Zoe and TB for instance) seem to be but yet still can’t agree on the Sabbath.
    Learned men who are always berating others for not being able to think critically.
    There is one truth, one word but for centuries it has eluded them all. Every denomination claims it as theirs.
    How then can those who are looking on hoping for guidance, even know where to start.
    The average person now sees Christianity as a joke, where Christians are more lost and confused than the sinners they like to berate……but of course, they will try hard, never to let us see this, they will continue to wax lyrical and sound intelligent.
    I am not fooled!!

  41. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Colonel Buggy…..

    But Bonny if I am standing over you watching every move that you make,and is able to manipulate and control your actions, like a puppet on a string, then I am responsible for anything that you do.

    Then where is the free will and choice that the Christians say we have as human beings?
    Why then, are they consequences like Hell and Brimstone etc?
    Shouldn’t the puppet master be blamed for ALL our actions?
    Looks like we are just following a script from beginning to end ……how boring this must be to the audience.

  42. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Techy: “Looks like we are just following a script from beginning to end ……how boring this must be to the audience.

    Calm yourself, superstar.

    Who do you think you are? (ROFLMAO…)

  43. Bonny Peppa Avatar
    Bonny Peppa

    Colonel buggy
    But i undastan dat de devil/satan got power too, so I mo incline ta tink dat he responsibl fa de ‘ills’ a dis worl. why would a lovin God allow innocent lil chil’ren ta suffa or a fella ta rob a po ol lady n bus she head wid a brick or bat n udda senseless killings? Sumting missin hay man. Dem tell me dat He is a loving God not a terroris. I gun hah fa ask de goodly Godly Rev Morris ta xplain sum a dese happenins fa me. I hope he doan tell me dat God responsibl fa evryting too. I would really be real confuse now fa tru.

    Technician
    I does wonda too, why create ‘bad n evil’ if ya did want me ta be ‘good’? Why mek me choose? Why should He create ‘bad’, den tell me dat i got a choice? Dah doan sound fair ta me man. Looka, I even mo confuse now.

    Rev. Morrissssssssss
    Helppppppppppp.

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    Technician

    Christopher Halsall | May 25, 2011 at 6:38 PM |

    @Techy: “Looks like we are just following a script from beginning to end ……how boring this must be to the audience.

    Calm yourself, superstar.

    Who do you think you are? (ROFLMAO…)

    Sometimes I have to wonder that also 😉

  45. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    @Bonny
    The books of Joshua and Judges are filled with massacres in the name of the Lord. In one instance, the supposedly order from on High, was to invade and kill the enemy soldiers, plus every man woman,child,sheep goat ox and ass.
    Today Joshua and all of those other cold blooded Generals have a right hand seat in Heaven, and not a fiery bench in Hell.

  46. David Avatar
    David

    “Pastor” Eddie Long matter settle and that’s that!

    Keep sweeping things under the carpet.

  47. Terence Blackett Avatar
    Terence Blackett

    Author Lori Jones Gibbs Joins President Obama In Supporting Strong Black Men, Positive Black Marriage and Fatherhood…

    Gibbs is the author of a highly acclaimed book entitled “Yes, I Would Marry Him Again: Wives Salute Their African American Husbands”…

    Washington, DC (May 26, 2011) – Answering the call from President Obama’s “Responsible Fathers and Strong Communities” initiative, author Lori Jones Gibbs, through her highly acclaimed book, Yes, I Would Marry Him Again: Wives Salute Their African American Husbands, has created a national conversation about the many “Do Right” black men in America today.

    “I wrote this book because I had never come across a book that served as a tribute to husbands, especially African-American husbands. I believe now is the time to recognize our strong black men. They are our fathers, brothers, sons, uncles and nephews. They are the foundation of the family, for it is from strong marriages that solid families are built,” Gibbs says.

    For these reasons, Mrs. Gibbs implemented the Author Gives Back Program where she donates up to 25% of the proceeds from book signings to non-profit organizations that work to encourage personal responsibility and strengthen our nation’s families by providing mentoring and support for men and families in vulnerable communities.

    About the Book

    Yes, I Would Marry Him Again is a compilation of moving tributes to strong black men who love their wives and take care of their families. Countering the many negative assumptions about black men as absentee husbands and fathers, these salutes highlight the constructive and essential roles Black men across the country play in the lives of their families and communities.

    In addition to the over 30 tributes from women including world-renown Gospel artist & Pastor Shirley Caesar, this book explores the “Keys to the Marriage Covenant” (“The Three C’s: Communication, Companionship and Compatibility”). There’s also a special section inviting women to add their own pictures and “Salutes” to recognize the special someone in their lives, transforming Yes, I Would Marry Him Again into the ultimate Father’s Day, Anniversary, Birthday or as a Just Because gift. This book demonstrates why love and marriage matter.

    Order online in celebration of Strong Black Men in your life at http://www.yesiwouldmarryhimagain.com or http://www.amazon.com

    Lori Jones Gibbs is a Vice President with a major financial services company. She is also a member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Incorporated. A Graduate of the University of Connecticut, Mrs. Jones Gibbs holds a Masters Degree from the University of Bridgeport. She is the co-author of YES, You’re Approved! The Real Deal About Getting A Mortgage and Buying a Home and the forthcoming book, YES, You Can Have More Money Than Month.

    Mrs. Jones Gibbs is a member of First Calvary Baptist Church located in Durham, NC. She is married and has three adult children.

    SEE MORE:

    http://www.yesiwouldmarryhimagain.com/ljg/

  48. Terence Blackett Avatar
    Terence Blackett

    DAVID@BU
    ““Pastor” Eddie Long matter settle and that’s that!”

    Time for a BLOG* on SUPERINJUNCTIONS…

  49. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @TMB…

    You might have missed it; on another tread…

    Something about sucking at a vacuum….

  50. David Avatar
    David

    @TB

    It seems social media is not in the mood to suffer superinjunctions gladly of late.

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