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Andrew Pilgrim, Attorney-at-Law

BU read the the views expressed by outgoing President of the Barbados Bar Association (BBA) Leslie Haynes QC which were pressed recently by a local newspaper and was left to ask the question – how did he [Haynes] advance the BBA in the last year? Quoting the article,  Haynes, who did not seek re-election at yesterday’s annual general meeting, also called on Government to put a new Land Title Act on the statute books. BU’s expectation at Haynes’ appointment as President of BBA that he would have blazed a legacy of merit was never pitched very high anyway.

Haynes’ biggest contribution as President of the BBA would have been his utterance which condemned the appointment of incoming Chief Justice Marston Gibson. Perhaps it is one he will regret. BU’s position on the appointment of Gibson is a matter of record. His selection from outside the inner ring recommends him most, the fact that he is an eminently qualified Barbadian is beyond dispute.

In the same way our expectation of Haynes was anchored very low we hold the opposite view for his replacement based on information which comes from a reliable source. The election of Andrew Pilgrim as President of the BBA signals that there are some in the legal community who yearn for a new dispensation.

Andrew Pilgrim is known for his unequivocal integrity and no nonsense posture. It appears he has a tremendous support within the Bar if we are to judge by his landslide election. BU is prepared to opine that Pilgrim’s election, like Gibson’s, signals that they are many who disapprove how the entire judicial system has been managed in recent times, and would not mind seeing some change for the better. It would be an unwise person who would bet against Pilgrim being able to make a positive contribution.

Pilgrim’s anti-death penalty is known but in the eyes of BU he compensates with a significant pro bono workload which he is known for around the Courts. Another quality which recommends him is his fearlessness when seeking justice on behalf of his clients. His tussles with a few magistrates and judges who are steeped in tradition are not unfamiliar to Barbadians. He is also known to be apolitical and his elevation can be seen as his peers demonstrating a high level of respect and confidence for the man. Some might suggest they have also demonstrated displeasure at Haynes’ tenure who is known to be political. If ever there was a person deserving of the QC designation, it is Pilgrim.

The thought of Chief Justice Marston Gibson and Andrew Pilgrim, President of BBA patrolling our legal system is enough to make anyone salivate at the fur which is bound to fly. The importance of a relevant judiciary and ancillary services manned by competent people are important to a working democracy. We wish them both all the best.


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  1. Bajan to the bone Avatar
    Bajan to the bone

    Best news I have heard in many a long year, other than the appointment of Marston Gibson. You are right. The fur will definitely fly now. Finally, Bajans have a shot at actually having a fully functional justice system. Kudos to the Barbados Bar Association. A little bird told me that Haynes intended to stand for election once more, but decided not to when he discovered the depth of support for Mr. Pilgrim. By the way, I fully support Mr. Pilgrim’s stance on the death penalty and applaud his position.


  2. @David. Indeed good news. The best. If memory serves, didn’t you have Andrew’s name on your short list of suggested integrity commissioners?


  3. @Amused

    Pilgrim is a people’s person and comes highly recommended. In fact he is worth four of Leslie Haynes.


  4. Indeed he should be raised to the inner bar.


  5. Landslide? Pilgrim was unopposed!

    And what do you mean “his anti-death penalty (stance) is well known BUT…? Is everyone now to be of your opinion on everything to be considered worthy?

    PS @Amused…have you found the case where the judge has been sued as yet?

  6. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar

    Nothing is going to change.

    This is the guy who was extremely upset when the Government did not keep on David Simmons. He is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    The old boy network will continue to flourish.


  7. Pilgrim is first and foremost a lawyer and a member of the BBA.His support of David Simmons was unprincipled and disgusting which begs the question,”do not birds of a feather flock together “? That said ,he nonetheless has the opportunity to bring honesty,integrity and professionalism to a profession in Barbados which has been most lacking in the respect of the populace ever since the law school at Cave Hill was established.Let’s see if he will represent the people’s interests and not the interests of the far too many unscrupulous and dishonest lawyers who are members of the BBA .


  8. @jack spratt

    The use of the word landslide was very deliberate. They are some who will understand its significance.

    Because Pilgrim supported Simmons so what?

    PS. BU understands a significant number of Barbadians who subscribe to LIME’s Internet service were/are without connectivity yesterday, today…

  9. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    Are standards expected to remain any less than at rock bottom and caases take ages to appear before the courts? Writing legal documents in 21st century english wouldn’t be a bad idea either!

  10. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    yuh c why i is got to laugh at d Bajees!


  11. Why has Andrew’s appointment not been reported in the fourth estate, including the one that deploys decaffeinated coffee?

  12. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    “LIME’s Internet service were/are without connectivity yesterday, today…”

    There is a break in the Submarine cable bringing internet service to Barbados. this is just off New York.

  13. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    DAVID

    “Because Pilgrim supported Simmons so what?”

    I am baffled that you do not see the significance of that.


  14. I have little or no respect for lawyers because many of them are thieves even some that have been knighted but from the the day that Andrew Pilgrim put on those robes and entered court i have been an admirer. He is one that stands out, his integrity is unquestionable and is fearless and ready to confront anything that would withhold justice. He reminds me of Frederick Smith without the politics.

    I wish him all the best as the head of the bar association and hope that the many cases of these lawyers running off with people’s money will be dealt with fairly and swiftly.

    Andrew is truly a breath of fresh air in the judicial system and i hope that he will not be contaminated in any way.

    Best of luck Andrew.


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  16. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar

    FRAN

    “is truly a breath of fresh air”

    I don’t know why Bajans like fooling themselves so.

    Ask him if anything has changed since he left Barbados disgruntled and returned.

    Unlike FRAN I have a lot of respect for Lawyers, but they are victims of the system like the rest of us.


  17. rude bwoy tek ova

    bu-yakka !
    bu-yakka!
    bu-yakka !


  18. @david

    I one people who was really confused by lime statement the slowdown was cause by a cable break in new york ( has anyone see a news report of such). Our traffic is routed thru miami. Maybe you could ask Christopher to do article either in support or opposition of lime statement.

  19. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Submarine cable break.

    http://www.facebook.com/time4LIME?v=box_3


  20. Amused,

    Perhaps his APPOINTMENT was not reported because he was ELECTED!


  21. @Anonus. Appointed by those who elected him. Anyway, your point is trivial rubbish. The fact is that Andrew has replaced Leslie as head of the Barbados Bar. The media has been quick enough to jump on board of Leslie’s every purile utterance in the last year. So now that one of their headliners has been handed his walking papers, their silence is deafening. And you really want to waste people’s time with your fatuous defense of an indefensible fourth estate? Clearly your coffee lacks an essential ingredient. So why have they not reported? A few reasons spring to mind:

    (a) it would mean actually keeping tabs on what is happening in Barbados, instead of waiting for press releases that they can slavishly reproduce. After all, we are supposed to provide them with the news so as to spare them the necessity of going to look for it.

    (b) maybe they don’t want the people of Barbados to know that the election has appointed Andrew.

    (c) maybe the thought of actually making a telephone call makes them panic and the thought of getting off their fat backsides and leaving Fontabelle to follow a story gives them the bad-feels.

    (d) maybe they are not quite sure what “reporting” means and “investigative reporting” to them is the chocolate digestive buscuit they consume with their caffein-free coffee.

    (e) maybe they are stupid.

    MAYBE ALL THE ABOVE!!!!!


  22. @Amused: “Maybe you could ask Christopher to do article either in support or opposition of lime statement.

    In the short form…

    1. Based on the empirical evidence I collect from many sources (both here in Barbados and “away”, no submarine fibre break occurred in the last two weeks which should have affected Barbados.

    2. CCC’s reference to FaceBook: “Due to an outage in the Global Crossing Network fibre system caused by a submarine cable break in New York, LIME’s Internet service has been affected in most of the Caribbean islands.

    2.1. Global Crossing submarine cable doesn’t terminate in NY. It terminates in Miami.

    2.2. Why would a problem with Global Crossing (read: an associated company of TeleBarbados) affect LIME? (I know the answer, but it would be amusing if someone from LIME spoke to this.)

    2.3. CCC, here is a hint — not everything you read (or are told) is true; or by who it is claimed to be from….

    3. @BU.David: “PS. BU understands a significant number of Barbadians who subscribe to LIME’s Internet service were/are without connectivity yesterday, today…

    3.1. Could you please elaborate on this claim?

    3.1.1. Might those who experienced outages be geography localized within Barbados? (To a particular DSLAM, for example?)

    3.2. Please let me say again that any such outage(s) was not caused by a fibre break outside of Barbados.


  23. Thank Christopher though it suppose be direct to me.

    I have ask global crossing to comment on said break. it will be no doubt be very interesting answer from them.

    2 I concur . a quick check across the new has no reported breaks by other than lime first source

    2.1 The subsidiary does have termination point @ new york but it as such if the new york is down Miami can handle all by itself.

    2.2 We all know this is laughing matter on lime face.


  24. I support Andrew Pilgrim for the position he now holds.
    I always thought he would be a good politician. He should consider that option.
    Maybe he would say Nah man.
    Good luck, you can make a difference.


  25. Good luck, Andrew. A lot of people are happy and are supporting you. You got your work cut out for you with the old guard and their decendants. But you are equal to the task. I also look forward to you shaking up the courts as well. Always remember that David is always willing to give people a forum on BU and it is high time that the “powers that think they be” in Barbados caught up with the fact that the blogs have a far more potent voice than anyone suspected.


  26. Jack Sprat
    I believe you may have exposed a significant flaw in our host David …”Pilgrim’s anti-death penalty is known but in the eyes of BU he compensates with …” Maybe David presumes to speak for the rest of us? WAIT DAVID YOU PLAN TAH RUN FAH POLITICS ..?

    Fran
    I wid you… And to think that Barbadians are the only idiot tax payers in the whole world that are expected to fund the education of these individuals (even in part …!) They impress me NOT… not even “Wax Palax” Pilgrim. How can a service that PRODUCES nothing DELIVER anything …?


  27. There was a time that I was not in support of continuing with the CCJ, hoping that one could rely on a good local structuring to move our justice system onward.

    However, with all of the recent happenings on the local scene, I am happy and relinquish my previous position, to have the CCJ as the final court of appeal for Barbados, knowing that it will surely be needed and that it gives comfort for the satisfactory dispensation of justice to Barbadians and those operating in Barbados.

    CCJ it is.


  28. Wait Crusoe
    You mean a CCJ that is located somewhere in Zimbabwe or New Zealand or Canada … Better still, Iceland…!


  29. @BAFBFP

    BU speaks for the BU household.

  30. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Christopher Halsall

    “CCC, here is a hint — not everything you read (or are told) is true”

    …but believe everything you write is. Nice!


  31. CCC

    Christopher never said as such. He would at least expect you to research it yourself.

  32. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    anthony

    I know that you are one of CH’s deciples so I will leave it there.


  33. @CCC

    SMH. Disciple lol. You really grasping at straws once again.

    Didn’t you see I disagree with him. They do have a landing point in new york


  34. ”BU is prepared to opine that Pilgrim’s election, like Gibson’s, signals that they are many who disapprove how the entire judicial system has been managed in recent times”

    To be fair BU, Gibson was NOT elected, not by lawyers, not by the public and certainly not by the Judicial and Legal Services Commission.

    He was chosen by the former PM David Thompson. Full stop.

    To indicate that he was somehow chosen by majority decision, panel or whatever is inaccurate and misleading.

    Just to be fair…yes?

    Or is everything going to be insinuation, suppositions and misrepresentation as the ‘new dispensation’?

    Which is why the CCJ is now welcome.


  35. @Crusoe

    You missed the point. Leslie Haynes held a position as president that Gibson’s appointment is illegal, could it be that his peers have sent him a message?


  36. @david

    Could it be that his peer hold him for even greater fall into disregard society hold onto lawyers. Instead of bring any censure ship of the said lawyers that contribute to their professions decline in the BBA he did nothing ?


  37. @anthony

    Yours is another perspective.


  38. If the legal fraternity in Barbados is serious about improving its public image and protecting the public from the increasing number of unscrupulous,dishonest and deviant lawyers ,it would agree to having the names of lawyers against whom complaints have been made,the nature of the complaints and the disposition or resolution of the complaints, published.It would also agree to hearings to to be held before a committee comprised of 2 retired judges,1 member of the clergy and 2 retired teachers or other laypersons.These hearings should be open to the public.Lawyers should also be compelled to present evidence of valid malpractice insurance coverage at the time of paying their registration fees since they handle and are very often responsible for large sums of money belonging to their clients.(Banks are very often compelled to post their reserves and to carry insurance;many employees who handle their company’s money or for that matter,clients’ money ,are required to be bonded by a policy of insurance so that in the event of embezzlement,fraud or theft, their client is not left wanting).Let’s see if Mr.Pilgrim will embrace and pursue any of these or similar meaningful suggestions.This is an excellent opportunity to restore the good image to a profession which has become much hated and despised and is slowly encouraging some members of the public to consider acting outside of the law.This is the time for Mr.Pilgrim to effect change…”change we can believe in”…even if it means upsetting the old guard and frustrating would-be scoundrels.


  39. Agreement to the above … hear hear …!


  40. Pieter Pieper | February 16, 2011 at 1:24 AM |. I said some time ago here on BU that we ought to copy the Law Society of Upper Canada and publish details of complaint, hearing dates and determination. So, I agree with you there. As for the rest, I think you go too far, as for example, the panel – two retired judges (who are probably friendly with all who come before them) a member of the clergy (like the total idiot at the QEH? What denomination?) two teachers (yeah, sure). Since you are going to spend all that money, it is far easier to bring in a panel of three lawyers from overseas – outside the box – and place the evidence before them.


  41. There are certain transactions in Barbados,that require you to engage an attorney at law, in many cases these lawyers take advantage of this situation. I know of a case where a house sale took over two years even though the purchaser had paid his money up front, ( that is no deposit, just a full payment). In fact only after he hired another lawyer to deal with the case, was the money paid. I also know of another case, where someone got hurt on the job at a US based company, a settlement was made in US dollars but the person was paid in Bds dollars because it is alleged the person was not aware that the settement was in US dollars. The lawyer also collected his payment for doing his job, plus the difference in the exchange in currency, hence he collected much more than the injured person. These and many other cases, have brought the profession into disrepute, yet by law, they service is mandatory but what do you think most of the MP’s and law makers are attorneys at law


  42. @anthony: “Didn’t you [CCC] see I disagree with him. They do have a landing point in new york

    Sorry anthony — you are correct. What I meant to write was the GC fiber links serving the Caribbean (nominally) terminate in Miami.

    @CCC: “…but believe everything you write is. Nice!

    Quite to the contrary. I don’t want anyone to believe *anything* until they have researched it themselves to their own satisfaction. Especially not from me; I am only human — I make mistakes to.

    But with regards to your claiming that any claimed outage here in Barbados was because of a fibre cut in NY, please see the image I generated from one of my data collection points here in Barbados.

    The traceroute shows that traffic from this POV (a TeleBarbados fibre client) travels out of Barbados, through Miami, and then back into Barbados to reach LIME servers. And yet there is no appreciable packet loss nor latency changes for the last week as shown in the graphs plotting ping latency.

    (The fact that traffic has to travel across two international fibre links, and Miami, to get between the two major Internet providers here in Barbados is a separate (and profound) issue. But it does happen to be useful to proving the point in question in this particular instance.)

    @BU.David: I’m still very interested in your answering my question 3# from February 15, 2011 at 2:17 PM above, as it relates to this whole side-debate.


  43. @christopher

    We all make mistakes sometimes. What i find interesting is most of traceroute now are passing thru new york even ones start in miami.


  44. @CCC

    at least we will not see a one-sided position on matters he may adjudicate.

    @Amused
    I love your response to anonous LOL …. couldn’t say it better myself. The story of Andrew’s appointment goes beyond the nursery rhymes the storytellers for the media write. It may actually call for some thought and i don’t know if many of these ‘journalists’ are capable of that.

    @Chris
    Why dont’t you admit Lime continues to give customer poor internet service and when you speak to one of their customer rep in St.Lucia, you get poor excuses. What a combination
    When will their monopoly end…. is it 2012, Can’t Wait.
    They leave a sour taste in your mouth.


  45. @anthony: “What i find interesting is most of traceroute now are passing thru new york even ones start in miami.

    Here is a hint anthony et al…

    Just because the reverse domain look-up of a IP includes the letters “ny” does not necessarily mean it is in New York.

    Further, just because an IP which reports itself as the “next hop” is within a sub-range of some geographic location of the subnet’s owner does not necessarily mean the device reporting is actually within that geographic domain.

    Let’s face it — many people buy TeleBarbados’ services because their IPs are reported to be within America; and thus they have access to services denied to those not in America….


  46. @Chris

    Double checked and confirm BU source received original info from Lime’s contact centre but live agent at Windsor Lodge provided a different story. It appears to be a modem issue when the dust is settled.

    We know for sure telephone traffic to Lime’s emergency numbers were rerouted to Jamaica contact centre with disastrous effect a couple weeks ago. What is happening at lime?


  47. @FRAN: “Why dont’t you admit Lime continues to give customer poor internet service and when you speak to one of their customer rep in St.Lucia, you get poor excuses.

    Perhaps you don’t understand what I’m trying to do here.

    There is little point in making wild, substantiated (and unsubstantial) claims about the poor LIME service.

    What is needed is hard, empirical and supportable data from many sources.

    This is what I am collecting, with the help of many of my clients.

    What is distracting from this effort is when some make wild claims against LIME with no basis in evidence (beyond emotion).

    I hope you (et al) understand….

  48. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    OFF TOPIC

    ” I lied about WMD to hasten Iraq war”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41609536/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/?GT1=43001


  49. @BU.David: “Double checked and confirm BU source received original info from Lime’s contact centre but live agent at Windsor Lodge provided a different story. It appears to be a modem issue when the dust is settled.

    Please correct me if I’m wrong here David, but do you not use the singular in the above, but the pleural in the below:

    BU.David (February 15, 2011 at 1:38 AM): “PS. BU understands a significant number of Barbadians who subscribe to LIME’s Internet service were/are without connectivity yesterday, today…

    Hmmm…

    @BU.David: “We know for sure telephone traffic to Lime’s emergency numbers were rerouted to Jamaica contact centre with disastrous effect a couple weeks ago. What is happening at lime?

    Could you please substantiate this statement David?

    How do you know for sure?

    What was the disastrous effect experienced?

    I hate Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD). It yet it seems to now be the norm in all the various forms of media….


  50. @Christopher

    While that is true some dns reverse domain look-ups are indeed indication of their locations.

    Didn’t know about telebarbados ips were being report as American. More reasons to switch from lime to gain access to us only streaming.

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