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Andrew Pilgrim, Attorney-at-Law

BU read the the views expressed by outgoing President of the Barbados Bar Association (BBA) Leslie Haynes QC which were pressed recently by a local newspaper and was left to ask the question โ€“ how did he [Haynes] advance the BBA in the last year? Quoting the article,ย  Haynes, who did not seek re-election at yesterdayโ€™s annual general meeting, also called on Government to put a new Land Title Act on the statute books. BUโ€™s expectation at Haynesโ€™ appointment as President of BBA that he would have blazed a legacy of merit was never pitched very high anyway.

Haynesโ€™ biggest contribution as President of the BBA would have been his utterance which condemned the appointment of incoming Chief Justice Marston Gibson. Perhaps it is one he will regret. BUโ€™s position on the appointment of Gibson is a matter of record. His selection from outside the inner ring recommends him most, the fact that he is an eminently qualified Barbadian is beyond dispute.

In the same way our expectation of Haynes was anchored very low we hold the opposite view for his replacement based on information which comes from a reliable source. The election of Andrew Pilgrim as President of the BBA signals that there are some in the legal community who yearn for a new dispensation.

Andrew Pilgrim is known for his unequivocal integrity and no nonsense posture. It appears he has a tremendous support within the Bar if we are to judge by his landslide election. BU is prepared to opine that Pilgrimโ€™s election, like Gibsonโ€™s, signals that they are many who disapprove how the entire judicial system has been managed in recent times, and would not mind seeing some change for the better. It would be an unwise person who would bet against Pilgrim being able to make a positive contribution.

Pilgrimโ€™s anti-death penalty is known but in the eyes of BU he compensates with a significant pro bono workload which he is known for around the Courts. Another quality which recommends him is his fearlessness when seeking justice on behalf of his clients. His tussles with a few magistrates and judges who are steeped in tradition are not unfamiliar to Barbadians. He is also known to be apolitical and his elevation can be seen as his peers demonstrating a high level of respect and confidence for the man. Some might suggest they have also demonstrated displeasure at Haynesโ€™ tenure who is known to be political. If ever there was a person deserving of the QC designation, it is Pilgrim.

The thought of Chief Justice Marston Gibson and Andrew Pilgrim, President of BBA patrolling our legal system is enough to make anyone salivate at the fur which is bound to fly. The importance of a relevant judiciary and ancillary services manned by competent people are important to a working democracy. We wish them both all the best.


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  1. @anthony: “While that is true some dns reverse domain look-ups are indeed indication of their locations.

    But which ones? You and I can’t know. At least, not without empirical experimentation.

    I, personally, have reverse DNS authority on several IPs.

    I could make them appear to be (to the layman) anywhere in the world. (Or, for that matter, anywhere in the solar system. LOL…)


  2. @ Christopher

    Of course you can make them look to be from anywhere. There is no simple, cheap and easy way for us to ensure they are where they say they are. Some may be where they state they are and some might be false. as such we can agree to disagree on if majority of traffic is routing through new york now.


  3. @anthony: “Some may be where they state they are and some might be false. as such we can agree to disagree on if majority of traffic is routing through new york now.

    Awww… Please don’t take your ball [your authority], and run away back home (in tears (this last bit was meant to be interpreted as humour by you personally))…

    There is a *lot* to be learnt here. By you, me; and others…

    Let us (please) do this important job.


  4. @christopher

    I take the tongue in cheek humour graciously.


  5. @anthony: “I take the tongue in cheek humour graciously.

    Very kind of you.

    But what you (et al) have to consider is… My humour is usually supporting very serious questions…

    Questions which are not, for some reason, often answered….


  6. Wait Chris the square of the square root of minus one is not the same as (10i -11i)/i


  7. @BAFBFP: “Wait Chris the square of the square root of minus one is not the same as (10i -11i)/i

    You don’t say…

    So what, then, is the square of i?


  8. the square of the square root of minus one …


  9. @BAFBFP: “the square of the square root of minus one โ€ฆ

    Clever…

    Answers the question; but doesn’t…

    Are you a Lawyer, by chance?


  10. BAFBFP or Halsall

    what are the square roots of i ?


  11. the fourth root of minus one


  12. I don’t think that the answer ping pong was looking for

  13. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    Scout, which is why I say the Bajans only PLAY at doing democracy. It’s all shadows n mirrors wid dem. Which is why I’ve so little respect for them. They’re so disappointing!

  14. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    Enormous potential and the result’s still so ****ing disappointing!


  15. @Ping Pong: “what are the square roots of i ?

    They can be expressed in several forms. Here’s one:

    i^0.5 == +/- ( ( 2^0.5 / 2 ) ( 1 + i ) )


  16. Another way of doing it

    i = cos(pi/2) + i.sin(pi/2)

    i^(1/2) = cos(pi/4) + i.sin(pi/4)

    also could be express this way
    i^(1/2) = +/- (1+i)/(2^(1/2))


  17. C. Hallsall and Anthony

    Good work.


  18. What is happening at LIME? Lol. You kidding right?

    Classic case of MADASS..

    Monopolistic Atrophy Devoid of Accountability Stunting Service

  19. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    r u guys serious about this square root business or just having fun? might as well b chinese to me! wish i had that kind of mathematical intelligence. damn!


  20. Andrew Pilgrim appeared on “Good Morning Barbados “today and made public his desire for change at the Barbados Bar Association.Now is the time to convey to Mr.Pilgrim suggestions for improving the efficiency and functioning and the decency ,honesty and integrity of the members of this very important “organization”.Now is the time to impress upon the almost 800 members of the association that we,the public are tired of being robbed and exploited by many of them who are not only incompetent but are horrendously dishonest.Now is the time to open hearings of complaints to the public.(After all,if MaryJones is charged with stealing, it becomes public knowledge).
    The resolution/settlement of complaints should be made public.(If Mary Jones is acquitted or convicted it is made public knowledge).Why shouldn’t it be the same with lawyers ?Why should they expect to be treated differently?
    If these measures were taken, it would no doubt result in fewer complaints and not the ever-increasing backlog of complaints, some of which are never heard because many of the complainants die from old age after waiting many many years for their complaint to be heard.
    But most of all,now is the time for Mr.Pilgrim to ensure that he will leave a legacy of one who was imbued with a sense of decency,honesty,fairplay and true concern for justice for every citizen of Barbados irrespective of his or her calling or status.


  21. awright awright awright … the answer is EYE, right i’gh…?


  22. http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/pilgrim-let-law-alone/

    Interesting article. i wonder whats david opinion of his appointment now?

  23. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    anthony, are ALL Bajans ill mannered or just you?


  24. per Nation”But Pilgrim said Government would be wrong to amend the law in order to appoint Gibson.

    โ€œI would like the right to say that the Bees [Barbados Labour Party] should not have appointed David Simmons [retired Chief Justice] the way they did, and I said that to them.

    โ€œAnd by the same token now speaking for myself, while I have issues with the limitations of the law as it relates to the Chief Justice, it looks funny when you do something like what we are doing now,โ€ he said.”
    ——————
    Fair and rational comment from a qualified lawyer who understands what ‘justice must be seen to be done’ means and the intricacies of legislative changes.


  25. As for the article above ”Haynesโ€™ biggest contribution as President of the BBA would have been his utterance which condemned the appointment of incoming Chief Justice Marston Gibson. Perhaps it is one he will regret.”

    —–
    ‘One he will regret’? What exactly does THAT mean, some form of retribution for his dissension? From whom?

    Very strange statement.


  26. When the BBA demonstrates it can regulate itself to engender confidence in the minds of the public it serves only then will BU give credence to utterances coming from that body. BUโ€™s stated position that it has confidence in Andrew Pilgrim to make a difference stands. The fact that we may disagree on issues is healthy.

    The thrust of Pilgrimโ€™s statement in the Nation article seems to frown on the interference and possible influence the executive has on the judicature. It is a matter BU has raised in earlier blogs, especially as it relates to David Simmonsโ€™ appointment as CJ. Note that Pilgrim expresses an opinion regarding limitation in the current law as it relates to the appointment of CJ, โ€œAnd by the same token now speaking for myself, while I have issues with the limitations of the law as it relates to the Chief Justice, it looks funny when you do something like what we are doing nowโ€.

    Barbadians can continue to comfort themselves in operating business as usual when our court system is almost in chaos or take bold moves to make some changes. Head of the T&T law society was recently in Barbados lamenting the need to operate outside of the box if we in the Caribbean want to dispense justice. Last week Justice Volney in Trinidad echoed the same concerns.

    As usual Barbadians love to wait until there is collapse or almost past the point of no return before acting.


  27. That statement from Pilgrim is like a breath of fresh air. rational, fair minded and fearless. It seems as if he is an excellent choice. Right on Mr. Pilgrim


  28. David

    I have limited access to the article so my query is was it a wide ranging article or was the interview solely to solicit his views on the upcoming judicial appointment?


  29. David

    Who knew that โ€œhiddenโ€ away is our constitution was this gem, in light of the heat ( more heat than substance) from some of the constitutional lawyers ๐Ÿ™‚ on this forum about the prospective appointment of the CJ perhaps this is a subject well worth exploring.

    http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/people-things-nationalism-or-parochialism/


  30. @Sargeant

    It is a wide ranging interview.


  31. According to Peter Wickham Sec 44:1 (a) of the Barbados Constitution states “No person shall be qualified to be elected as a member of the House of Assembly who . . . is, by virtue of his own act, under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience or adherence to a foreign power or state.”

    Now regardless of our personal opinions about a law, the law stands as is until changed. Does this mean that the recent election of a famous widow (who publicly acknowledged her St.Lucian nationality) was actually not qualified to be elected? Now I am not arguing for or against the law but that laws should neither be selectively ignored nor enforced based on personal viewpoints. Either change the law or abide by it.


  32. Nationalism or parochialism?
      By Peter Wickham | Sun, February 20, 2011 – 12:01 AM

    No person shall be qualified to be elected as a member of the House of Assembly who . . . is, by virtue of his own act, under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience or adherence to a foreign power or state.

    This excerpt from the Constitution of Barbados sits quietly in Sec. 44:1 (a) and is easily one of the least quoted sections of our fundamental law. 

    Over the years this section has been referred to so infrequently that this author, who studied constitutional law at the feet of the late Professor Ralph Carnegie, could perhaps be forgiven for once arguing that unlike Guyana and Jamaica, our Constitution did not speak to such issues โ€“ Full Article

    Here is the article to which Pong refers.


  33. David

    Thanks, what about his views on some of his colleagues who think that procrastination is an art form and that ethics is a word in Sanskrit which they donโ€™t understand. When I hear his comments on those subjects then I will start to believe that I can inhale this โ€œFresh Airโ€ until then I am keeping my gas mask handy


  34. Pilgrim says a judge must be above politics, what we the public must deduce is that he as head of the Bar should be seen also to be above politics. In fact Pilgrim makes the point in his interview with Slinger today that while he had an interest in politics he found it too frivolous and decided to make a contribution in a different way. We know that in Barbados any semblance of an association with either political party means that oneโ€™s opinions are deemed political.

    It is interesting to note that Pilgrimโ€™s cry for non-political interference to facilitate an independent judiciary mirrors the comments made a while ago by Marston Gibson. The two are obviously singing from the same hymn sheet.

    Pilgrimโ€™s election means he has to become a little political not to alienate himself with colleagues. He should not become distracted from his most important job to do some purging of some within the ranks of the Bar. To repeat a suggestion made by BU Pilgrim needs to set up a system to deal with complaints against members of the Bar. The perennial act of sweeping the corrupt behaviour of shady lawyers under the carpet will not be tolerated by John Public any longer. It is only a matter of timeโ€ฆ

    BU notes Timothy Slinger was quick to use the heading on his article โ€œPilgrim against Marston Gibsonโ€™s appointmentโ€, we should not become distracted by a red herring based on a motive by the fourth estate to feed sensationalistic behaviour to sell newspapers.


  35. David

    I donโ€™t want to โ€œhogโ€™ your blog but with all due respect to โ€œPongโ€, I referred to the same article in an earlier submission and said it is a subject worth exploring

    Perhaps you should start a separate thread.


  36. The argument here is that by virtue of her birth in st.lucia to st.luican parent she automatically became a st.lucian citizen and not by act of her. By her act to marry a barbadian she became eligible to receive bajan citizenship via chapter 6 of the constitution. In the act of receiving citizenship the oath of allegiance would hold precedence as an act of allegiance, obedience and adherence. This would therefore make her ineligible to take part in st.Lucia election unless she renounce her barbadian citizenship.

    In the hypothetical case of her marry a bajan but not taking up citizenship. One can deem this as act of not accepting allegiance, obedience and adherence as require by the state and having allegiance, obedience and adherence to foreign power. As such she could be stripped from there position of mp if brought before the courts.


  37. @Sargeant

    You are not hogging the blog. Make your points man!


  38. Pilgrim is reported to have said “while he had an interest in politics he found it too frivolous….”

    Exactly what does he mean?


  39. Off topic but worth discussing.

    Having spent $40,000cad in fees and tuition for a 4 year honors degree with a double major, our family supports the concept of “giving back” in a country where Education is funded by taxes.

    Unfortunately in Canada you pay for University Education.

    http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/call-to-serve/

  40. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    Vis. anthony above; “it would seem so”!


  41. David

    I donโ€™t think you can blame Slinger for the title of the article since that is an Editorial prerogative in most publications. However you can say that the Editor(s) wanted to spotlight that issue to make it seem like there is a groundswell of opinion against Gibsonโ€™s appointment.

    That is the way politics work.


  42. Sargeant
    Are you saying the editors are political?
    Sorry for the rhetorical question


  43. Man Sargeant stop hoggin’ de show nah


  44. Charlie

    I think we are past that point, The Nation is the house organ of the BLP and the Advocate seems to occupy a similar role for the DLP.

    BAFBFP

    Tomorrow is a holiday up here it is called Family Day so I have a lot of time on my hands, someday soon somebody gwine sue under Charter of Rights & Freedoms claiming that it is discriminatory against them cause they donโ€™t have a family.

    Of course your problem is which โ€œfamilyโ€ do you spend it with?
    ๐Ÿ™‚


  45. @David | February 20, 2011 at 7:38 AM |

    I have avoided getting into this discussion as much as possible. Your response as above is, to my view, right on the target.

    In Andrewโ€™s comments, he merely mirrors the words of Marston Gibson himself with regard to the need of judicial independence and lack of political influence on the courts. But Marston Gibson said it first (and better) not Andrew Pilgrim.

    I disagree with Andrewโ€™s interpretation of law in regard to Marston Gibson, however, as we are a democratic country, I applaud Andrew for stating his position and I see this as healthy.

    BUT, there is a problem in my mind. I call on Andrew to address it. Clearly Marston Gibson will have the job of straightening out the courts and their ancillaries.

    We all know that Andrewโ€™s election was largely because of dissatisfaction on the part of younger members of the Bar to address the iniquitous and totally out-of-order behaviour to which they have been subjected by certain magistrates and judges that one would like to say โ€œshould know betterโ€, but are frankly too blasted stupid to know the difference.

    Yes, by all means proffer his assistance to CJ Gibson in addressing that. However do NOT EVER use it as a red herring to detract from your real job, Andrew.

    And what is that job? To aggressively address the โ€œirregularitiesโ€ of certain members of the Bar; to ensure that public complaints against lawyers are comprehensively dealt with and not swept under the carpet; to restore public confidence in members of the Bar.

    So concentrate on that, Andrew, and leave the courts to the new CJ โ€“ that is HIS job, not yours. By all means disagree with him, including your untenable (in law) objection to his appointment (you are, after all, specialized in criminal law and therefore we will excuse your ignorance of the finer points of law in the appointment of the CJ). But do no ever seek to make the Bar superior to the Court โ€“ that would be akin to the tail wagging the dog.

    If you do your job, Andrew, between you and Marston Gibson, you will give Bajans the strong and effective justice system that they deserve โ€“ AND PAY FOR!!!! If you donโ€™t, then you will go the way of your predecessor Mr Haynes โ€“ and frankly, you are FAR too good a man to have that happen.

    So, Andrew, address the problems within the Bar Association and DO NOT EVER LOOK FOR A SCAPEGOAT!!!!


  46. Every lawyer worthy of the name agrees that Gibson does not fulfil the criteria for the post of CJ. But here comes one charlatan name Amused who will have us believe that Gibson does fulfil these and whoever thinks otherwise is wrong. Are we still wondering who wrote that post misinterpreting the law to prove that Gibson was qualified? Your political slip is showing Amused and it is not so funny.


  47. @Jack Spratt,

    The real problem with the Marston Gibson issue is that he is not “one of the boys” and there is a fear that he may actually try to reform the system of justice in Barbados.

    It is interesting that Lawyers and Judges in Barbados are complaining about numerous problems including backlogs and unreasonable delays but the effort to “stop Gibson appointment” seems to be a priority.

    We hear a lot a long talk about law reform but changing a law to appoint a born and raised accomplished Barbadian is a problem.


  48. @Hants

    The truth is this matter is only resonating among the legal fraternity, political diehards and the intelligentsia.

    Ordinary Bajans don’t seem to care too much.

    Let us protect the establishment at all cost because we all know who are the guardians.


  49. David ordinary Barbadians expect that their interest is safeguarded by those they elect every 5 years.

    Ordinary Barbadians expect that privileged Black people will look after the interest of their poor brothers and sisters commonly referred to as “the masses”.

    In a country with a history like Barbados that is a reasonable expectation.

    Unfortunately, Power and money is what matters to the big ups.


  50. Who are the boys? Marston is political just like all of us, and I wish this argument about him being apolitical and outside of the ‘brotherhood’ would stop.

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