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The CLICO Saga seems to be regaining some steam. It probably has something to do with those rapidly maturing flexible annuities (time deposits) reported to be about 300 million dollars. The Nation newspaper along with the Barbados Labour Party (BLP) have been accessing all avenues opened to them to sensitize Barbados about the horror which is about to descend on CLICO policy and annuity holders. There is the wider implication for the Barbados financial landscape and economy.

BU have to confess we are amazed at the haste which Opposition Mia Mottley and the BLP were persuaded to bring a no-confidence motion to parliament arising from the unfortunate circumstance of CLICO.  When the no-confidence motion failed the BLP promptly took its position on the road. It is only a naive group of people who would support a no-confidence motion supported by public meetings and expect that it would not defeat the government’s preferred strategy to maintain confidence as the circumstance would allow while it look for buyers for the beleaguered company. The protection of CLICO was and still is important to the national interest, in this regard the government and the opposition should have closed ranks on this matter.

Those companies in the region which have been placed under judicial watch what have they accomplished so far regarding the liquidation of assets to the satisfaction of policyholders?

Recent media reports have confirmed the imminent sale of the general and mortgage divisions of CLICO Barbados. The continued negative publicity which has been fuelled by the BLP has effectively destroyed any possibility of the life division being sold for fair value. The hole which will be created by the commitment to honour the maturing flexible annuities will obviously create pressure for any buyer. Who wants the grief of acquiring a portfolio with a customer base whose priority would be to appease a pent-up anxiety?

In hindsight it would have been a more sensible strategy for Prime Minister Thompson to have managed the CLICO matter through a functionary. In Trinidad the Finance Minister did all the front work with little comment from Prime Minister Patrick Manning. There is no doubt that the CLICO matter has been politicized to the detriment of CLICO’s customers. The relationship between Leroy Parris and David Thompson is embedded in Barbados folklore.

The USA at the height of the financial crisis deemed that there were companies too big to fail. In our opinion CLICO fits the definition of  a company too large to fail in a Barbados and OECS context. The fact that it is a company which epitomizes the entrepreneurial spirit of a Black man seems to matter not. Cyril Duprey must be skinning cuffies in his grave.

What has been disappointing in the CLICO discussion so far has been the willingness of those who should know better to follow what other islands have done in relation to CLICO. Barbados has built a sound financial system which has been the envy of many. The obvious failing of the Supervisor of Insurance to perform as required in the matter of CLICO is instructive. BU hope that by now the glaring deficiency which has existed in the Supervisor of Insurance Office has been long corrected. Bear in mind the problem of CLICO’s statutory fund should have been a concern of the former government. Important to note, CLICO Barbados was allowed to remit millions of dollars of dollars to its Head Office in Trinidad without any hindrance from the Barbados authorities under the former administration. Finally the  flexible annuity product which has now proved to be problematic was approved under the former administration.

All of the above demonstrates that CLICO’s problem can be attributed to the regulators and by extension the former government’s inaction. The financial crisis would have exposed CLICO just as it did many other companies around the world. The BLP has no moral or other authority to pontificate on the woes of CLICO. All they have succeeded in doing is to exacerbate the crisis of confidence which has probably help to sustain the run on CLICO. It is sad to witness the demise of a leading Black Pan-Caribbean company which the Barbados opposition has rushed to have dismantled, all in the interest of promoting political agendas.

Unfortunately we don’t see any solution in sight to bail the life division of the company in the present circumstances, the government will have to step in when all efforts have been exhausted.


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185 responses to “The CLICO Political Football”

  1. Donald Duck, Esq Avatar
    Donald Duck, Esq

    Some questions

    1. Why do you not say much about British American in Barbados? Why have we not seen the 2008 accounts of this entity?
    2. Did the management of CLICO ever understand their business???
    3. Why is Leroy Parris still chairman when last year the TV station of which he is chair announced he was retiring at the end of 2009?
    4. Will the DLP bail out policyholders of both CLICO Barbados and British American?
    5. What has become of the plans of CLICO Holdings Barbados to buy sam lords?
    6. What is Mr Duprey up to these days?
    7. What is the financial position of CL Financial (BVI) Limited?
    8. What has become of the plane that was owned by CLICO Holdings Barbados and which transported our PM in the early period of his office?


  2. When you enter the political arena in the way Clico did in the last general election with its financing of the DLP election bid then you become open season. Don’t blame the BLP blame Parris. He run the company like his own playground. Just asked any employee with the guts to talk. Lets have the forensic audit of Clico


  3. Whatever the state of CLICO’s finances there is certainly a lot of politics surrounding the whole affair. One would think that Parris and the Advocate would ensure that there were well insulated- legally speaking- before publishing the statement in the Advocate.

    Now, according to The Nation Owen plans to seek “redress”.

    Some lawyers are smiling tonight.


  4. Per Donald Duck:

    Donald Duck, Esq // March 29, 2010 at 9:49 PM

    Some questions

    1. Why do you not say much about British American in Barbados? Why have we not seen the 2008 accounts of this entity?
    2. Did the management of CLICO ever understand their business???
    3. Why is Leroy Parris still chairman when last year the TV station of which he is chair announced he was retiring at the end of 2009?
    4. Will the DLP bail out policyholders of both CLICO Barbados and British American?
    5. What has become of the plans of CLICO Holdings Barbados to buy sam lords?
    6. What is Mr Duprey up to these days?
    7. What is the financial position of CL Financial (BVI) Limited?
    8. What has become of the plane that was owned by CLICO Holdings Barbados and which transported our PM in the early period of his office?
    ————————————————————-

    Good questions, let increase breadth:

    1- The Supervisor should know, indeed, the alleged liability in the statutory fund would have existed during the last adminsitration, so Mia et al should be ablke to tell us.

    2. As in the first response, the Supervisor and previous administration have had the most time to study this, during the years of deficit in the fund, ask Mia or the Supervisor.

    3. This question is irrelevant, while I disagree with a political appointee at CBC, this is the same role that Allan Fields played.

    4. Due to an attempt to save jobs, the PM might,. Personally, Barbados I think, does not have the funds to bail CLICO, unfortunately this is a difficult case. The problem is the years that the statutory fund was allowed to develop into such deficit, it would seem, allegedly.

    6-8 Good questions, that the Government should ask of CL Trinidad..


  5. On five, Government will have to hope that one of the major players who have reaped sweet rewards developing the West Coast, will buy Sam Lord’s.

    But maybe they will wait until the never-never for THAT.

    Have to look for an international chain and offer them what they will.

    After all, Sam Lords is a lovely property, almost private beach et al.


  6. Anyone ever thought that had the issue not been debated here, and local policy holders only became aware and informed through the debacle in Trinidad followed by Guyana, Bahamas, Belize etc the situation here could have been even worse in the initial stages?

    With the CLICO brand dead, I am still waiting to see how many jobs will be saved. CGI already offers car, home and contents insurance and operates at 2 or 3 locations. BPWCCU already has a mortgage system in place, and dealing with additional mortgage payments should not require any large addition of staff. Accommodating a large influx of new staff could, however, be challenging.


  7. @enuff

    The point BU wants to make is what mess shakes out of this clico mess the BLP cannot be blameless. Its clamour post the event has always been viewed with suspicion by BU.

  8. Wishing In Vain Avatar
    Wishing In Vain

    Seems that the BLP neglected to make CLICO put its house in order a long time before this matter raised its head.

    More Smoke and More ineffective BLP of the past 14 years.


  9. I have stopped my nation subscription. If the paper has an agenda it should say so, rather than pretend to be some fair and objective paper. For example, yesterday, the main newspaper carried the story of a doctor, rightly complaining about not getting his money from clico. The business authority, which the nation knows gets much smaller circulation carried the story of an elderly lady who took a much more balanced view of the issue and had some lashes for the opposition. Interesting editorial choice.

    Sunday front page, today back page, Mia’s call for a firearm policy in parliament.

    The nation trumpeted when the unemployment rate went above 10%, now its back below 10%, not a peep from the nation.

    The nation seems intent on working bajans into some vortex of negativity about everything.

  10. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    The nation has gone decidely negative and sensational on just about everything. They have fully gone for the tabloid formula.


  11. @ Annonymous

    Have the Advocate announced an agenda?

    @ David

    Yes the BLP may be blamed by some, but some may also say thanks as they preferred that route to just reading about it in the foreign press.


  12. Down with the Damned DLP and the Blasted BLP!!

    This is the time for the broad masses and middle classes of people to think more politically clearly and deeply than ever before, really.

    This is the time for them to realize that both these idiotic DLP and BLP factions are primarily about the leaderships of these parties, the main principals and financial connections associated with these parties, many of the interests of the families of these leaderships/principals/connections, plenty of the interests of many of the friends of these leaderships/principals/connections, and many of the business and foreign interests of them.

    Put simply then both these stupid joke parties are NOT about the basic fundamental interests of the average poor person and the average middle class person in Barbados, and are NOT SO MUCH about the national public interests.

    That this is so means that almost ALL of these persons who still support or vote for either of these two ramshackled factions, MUST SEE THE USELESSNESS AND THE IRRATIONALITY OF STILL SUPPORTING AND VOTING FOR THESE PARTIES AND THEREFORE MUST STOP SUPPORTING OR VOTING FOR THEM. FULL STOP!! STOP SUPPORT OR STOP VOTE FOR THESE BACKWARD ANTI-POOR ANTI- MIDDLE-CLASS PARTIES THAT ARE NOT ABOUT THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE – OUR PEOPLE – their – OUR – basic fundamental interests and the country’s greater fundamental interest!!!

    WE SAY TO THEM THAT INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING OR VOTING FOR THE DLP OR BLP, OR INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING SUPPORTING OR VOTING FOR THEM, THAT IT SHALL SURELY BE EMINENTLY BETTER FOR THEM AND MANY OTHERS TO GIVE OR CONSIDER GIVING GREATER MORAL POLITICAL FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO AND PLENTY MORE VOTES TO THE PDC OR THE PEP THAT ARE FAR MORE ABOUT THEM THAN THE DLP AND THE BLP.

    IT WOULD ALSO BE FAR BETTER TOO – AT THIS STAGE – TWO AND A HALF YEARS BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTIONS – IF MANY OF THESE PEOPLE – OUR PEOPLE – WOULD SEE THE LIGHT AND GO AND MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THEM FORM THEIR OWN SERIOUS PEOPLE-CENTERED DEVELOPMENTALIST PARTIES THAT WILL BE FAIRLY SURE TO REPRESENT THEIR AND THE COUNTRY’S BASIC FUNDAMENTAL INTERESTS THAN CONTINUE POLITICALLY PARTISANLY DEPENDING ON BOTH THESE CORRUPT 20 TH CENTURY DLP AND BLP FACTIONS AND THEIR PATRONAGE. AND THEY HAVE ENOUGH TIME LEFT TO FORM THESE PARTIES BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTIONS!!!

    AND THERE IS ANOTHER SERIOUS OPTION AVAILABLE. MANY OF THEM CAN SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT BECOMING INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES IN THE NEXT ELECTIONS – WHEREFORE THEY WOULD BE BETTER OFF BEING ABLE TO PLAY GREATER ROLES IN THE POLITICAL ELECTORAL PROCESS BY ACTUALLY BECOMING CANDIDATES IN THEIR RESPECTIVE CONSTITUENCIES IN THE NATIONAL POLITICAL ELECTORAL PROCESS THUS EMPOWERING THEMSELVES POLITICALLY AND THUS REMOVING THAT HORRIBLE DLP/BLP CAST OF VIEWING THEM AS SIMPLE POWERLESS DEPENDENT VOTERS.

    RIGHT NOW, IT IS VERY CRITICAL TOO TO THE FURTHER NATIONAL POLITICAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS COUNTRY AND IN FURTHERANCE O F THE NATIONAL INTERESTS OF THIS COUNTRY FOR THIS DLP/BLP FOOLISHNESS TO BE BROKEN DOWN TOTALLY.

    THERE IS NO SENSE IN PROLONGING THE AGONY OR IN PUTTING OFF WHAT EVENTUALLY HAS TO BE DONE – THE TOTAL LIBERATION AND EMANCIPATION OF OURSELVES FROM THE DLP/BLP – OR LEAVING IT FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO DO. SOME OF THOSE OF PREVIOUS GENERATIONS MIGHT HAVE SAID SO AND LOOK NOW WHAT THE SHIT THE DLP AND BLP HAVE BEEN DOING TO US – MANY OF THE POOR AND MARGINAL MIDDLE-CLASSES SINCE BARROW’S DEATH.

    SURELY, THIS WICKED DEMON YOKE OF THE DLP/BLP MUST BE THROWN OFF FROM OFF THE BACKS OF THE BROAD MASSES AND MIDDLE-CLASSES OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY. AND THE SOONER THE BETTER. AS THAT, THERE CAN BE NO BETTER TIME THAN NOW TO BOTH ACCELERATE AND HEIGHTEN SUCH AN OBJECTIVE. FOR THE POLITICAL AND OTHER CONDITIONS IN THIS LAND ARE CURRENTLY RIPE FOR THE EVENTUAL RIDDING OF THE DLP AND BLP FROM THE PARLIAMENT OF THIS COUNTRY AND ULTIMATELY THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE OF THIS COUNTRY.

    REMEMBER MANY PEOPLE WITHIN THE MASSES AND MIDDLE-CLASSES ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT KEYS FOR SUCH!!!

    SO LONG.

    PDC

  13. Donald Duck, Esq Avatar
    Donald Duck, Esq

    anonymous

    I have stopped my subscription to the advocate since feb 2008!!!!


  14. i have stop my subscriction of nation since feb 2008

  15. Donald Duck, Esq Avatar
    Donald Duck, Esq

    Remember the following extract from the 2008 Budget

    “We have therefore sought technical assistance from the Inter-
    American Development Bank through the Statistical Modernisation
    Programme to improve on the methodology and ultimately the
    accuracy of our unemployment statistics.”

    Has this been done?

  16. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    We all accept that the advocate sucks up to who ever is in power. The nation presents itself as an objective paper, when it seems on a negative agenda.


  17. Who had primary responsibility to manage the affairs of CLICO in a lawful and prudent manner hopefully leading to the sustainability of the company, the BLP, the DLP, the Nation newspaper, or the management of the company? What was the role of the auditors? Once again are they allowed to quietly wash their their hands and slink away into the shadows?

    CLICO reported to the press that $118 million was withdrawn from the company. I believe most of this money belonged to institutional investors (banks, business houses ) and wealthy investors. When did most of these withdrawals take place? I suspect months ago i.e. at the same time the public was told not to worry by you-know-who. If so would this demonstrate that those institutional and large investors had a lack of confidence or even a clear understanding of the limitations of Gov’t to save the company? Does it now seem that it is the “small” investors (retired persons, small businesses, professionals etc) who trusted the Gov’t and held off asking for the return of their money that have been left exposed?

    What is being done with CLICO assets such as Sam Lords, Rayside Construction, and most importantly the very large holding of agricultural lands in St. John? Rumour has it that the “historical” owners are circling and laughing at the prospect of a fire sale bonanza.

  18. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    The CLICO problems expose the weaknesses of the Office of the Supervisor of Insurance. There appear to have been two major weaknesses in terms of CLICO.

    1. The sale of the Executive Premium Flexible Annuity product should not have been allowed.

    2. The Statutory Fund should not have been allowed to go into deficit.

    If we want to lay political blame then both of the above happened under the last administration.

    I am more inclined to say that the office of the supervisor of insurance has always been a weak one, compared to say the Central bank which supervises depository institutions. A collapse of CLICO or the company being put under judicial management, will in my view be a severe blow to the barbados economy, the integrity of the financial system and most importantly, lead to losses for policy holders.

    Clico’s strategy appears to be to try to exit the financial services sector by selling off the General Insurance, Life Insurance and Mortgage Finance businesses. That seems to make some sense to me.

    the general insurance and the mortgage finance arms have been sold, but the life remains undsold. The rumour is that potential buyers of the Life business are scared away by the Executive Flexible Premium Annuity (EFPA) product.

    If the outstanding liability on the EFPAs is around $300ml as rumoured then maybe the Central bank or the Depository Insurance Corporation can create an entity to assume the EFPAs and have Clico transfer $300 ml in assets to the new entity. he new entity can negotiate with holders of the EFPAs for a restructuring where they can be paid over a longer period of time.

    Hopefully, a strategy like this one would allow the life business to be sold and protect the interests of the policy holders and some jobs, while minimizing the cost to the state.

  19. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    If the holders of the EFPAs agree to a restructuring that would give the new entity time to liquidate the assets and meet the liabilities.

    I guess the new entity would be a version of the Bad Loan Bank being launched in Ireland, mentioned on the FT. Com link on this site.

    Sometimes there are no good options, only bad or worse.

  20. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    the holders of the EFPAs may also be required to take some kind of haircut. maybe a recovery of principal may be one compromise.

  21. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    Having the Central bank or the deposit Insurance corporation manage the liquidation of the assets and paying the EFPAs would save the high costs of the judicial manager and leave more funds for the policy holders.

    In the USA when a bank fails the Federal deposit Insurance Corporation steps in and takes over the entity. So a role for our new spanking deposit insurance corporation is not without international precedent.

  22. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    Anyway those are some of my random thoughts. it would be nice to get some feedback.

  23. Fair and Balance Avatar
    Fair and Balance

    Clico statutory fund was in deficit since 2005 and increased every year. I blame the supervisor’s office for not acting but some have said the minister of finance has ultimate responsibility (I don’t agree). If I accept this argument, then both Arthur and Thompson are to blame. Arthur for 2005 and 2006 and Thompson 2007 and 2008. They are both on record as saying that they don’t micromanage the supervisor’s office.

    This issue was brought to a head in January 2009 with the collapse of CL financial the parent company. The actions of Clico and by extension the government has brought us to a point where the Life insurance is now dead never to recover certainly not under the Clico Brand.

    Only recently we were told that people had confidence and loyalty to the Company as evidence by the nearly 3000 new policies written in 2009. I smiled when that news release came out as it was contrary to what some of the employees and agents were telling me in private. Now the president is singing a different tune less than 2 weeks later.

    It is these sorts of missteps that continue to hunt Clico and by extension the government.
    I think the Management of Clico should shut up. The less they say the better for all. Any comment about Clico should come from the oversight committee who I feel will have more credibility with the public. We should also have heard from the supervisor’s office by now on the status of this company. (Whatever become of the promise of freedom of information and transparency – Nice election slogans?)

    On the subject of protecting jobs, that should have never been the first priority. Whose jobs were being protected? Parris? I see he is still in charge.
    The first priority was to protect the investor and hence protecting investor confidence which has been seriously damage by this whole Clico affair.

  24. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    I guess we agree on the failings of the supervisor of insurance office. Public relations management is always difficult in these situations and no one really manages it well. If you say things are really bad then do you trigger a collapse, if you say things are okay are you giving false confidence which then comes back to haunt you?

    How do you suppose the authorities play it from here onwards?

  25. Sylvan Greenidge Avatar
    Sylvan Greenidge

    David // March 30, 2010 at 7:35 AM

    “The point BU wants to make is what mess shakes out of this clico mess the BLP cannot be blameless. Its clamour post the event has always been viewed with suspicion by BU”.

    Wishing In Vain // March 30, 2010 at 8:03 AM

    “Seems that the BLP neglected to make CLICO put its house in order a long time before this matter raised its head.
    More Smoke and More ineffective BLP of the past 14 years”.

    During the No-Confidence debate on this matter I took the time on Brass Tacks to explain to Barbadians why the Supervisor of Insurance and former Prime Minister, Owen Arthur could be held responsible for the current state of affairs at Clico.

    Having read the comments above attributed to David of BU and Hartley Henry aka Wishing In Vain I feel obligated to set the record straight for other members of the BU family.

    The financial statement of Clico International Life Limited for December 31, 2007, prepared by PricewaterhouseCoopers, at page 3 under General Information stated: “Clico International Life Insurance (the Company) was incorporated in Barbados on January 17, 1986 and commenced its long-term and group insurance business on January 1, 1994. The Company is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Clico Holdings (Barbados) Limited which is incorporated in Barbados and its ultimate parent is C. L. Financial Limited, a company incorporated the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago”.

    “On January 1. 1997 the Company acquired the insurance and pension portfolios of Colonial Life Insurance Company (Trinidad) Ltd branch operations in Antigua, Barbados, Dominica, Grenada, Montserrat, St. Kitts, St. Lucia and St. Vincent. To date, regulatory and policyholder approvals have not yet been obtained within the respective territories”.

    The report then makes reference to page 29. At page 29 under Acquisition of Colonial Life branches it reads; “With effect from January1, 1997 the Company acquired the insurance and pension portfolios of Colonial Life Insurance Company (Trinidad) Limited’s branch operation in Antigua, Barbados, Dominica, Grenada, Montserrat, St. Kitts, St, Lucia and St. Vincent.”

    “The transaction and balances resulting from this portfolio transfer are reflected in the Company’s accounts but the Company has not yet been obtained the approval of the Supervisors of Insurance of the various territories to the transfer. Further, policyholder approvals for the respective transfers are still pending”.

    It is clear from the financial report that the pension and life insurance portfolios acquired from Colonial Life Trinidad by Colonial Life Barbados have not been consummated and is therefore still owned and managed by Colonial Life Insurance (Trinidad) Limited. In light of this revelation the Supervisor of Insurance in Barbados and indeed the Barbados Government cannot have any real control over the fund deficit. In fact it was the excuse used by Clico whenever the issue arose under the BLP Government. Clico always argued that its financial position was sound base on its Trinidad operation.

  26. Fair and Balance Avatar
    Fair and Balance

    @ sylvan Greenidge
    You are incorrect. Even if it was under Clico Trinidad and the business is written out of Barbados it still fall under the Supervisor’s office and the various reports still have to be filed to the supervisor even if under Clico Trinidad. The Supervisors office is still responsible and still has to act . It has to proctect the policyholders.

  27. Fair and Balance Avatar
    Fair and Balance

    The fund deficit still has to be monitored by the supervisor even if it is Clico Trinidad


  28. The point BU wants to make is what mess shakes out of this clico mess the BLP cannot be blameless. Its clamour post the event has always been viewed with suspicion by BU.
    ———————————————-

    But Leroy Parris is the present PMs friend ,Godfather to his children he must therefore have been conversant with the Clico situation at least in the past two years.

  29. Fair and Balance Avatar
    Fair and Balance

    Once the business is written out of Barbados the company whether it resides in Barbados or Timbutu has to place assets in the statutory fund to support its liabilities. The supervisors has the responsibility by law to make sure that is done and to take action. Don’t let us throw in these red herrings to distort the issues.

  30. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    Despite the various organizational problems at CLICO which many firms have, their current problems appear to be a case of contagion.

    If they can get through a full year and pay out 118ml dollars without government assistance I would suggest that they were not facing any imminent liquidity crisis or impairment of asset values.

    CL Financial, the parent faced a liquidity crisis, this led to a loss of confidence in all subsidiaries and the rest is history.

    Is CLICO too big to fail, should the government bail out, if so what are the possible approaches?

  31. Sylvan Greenidge Avatar
    Sylvan Greenidge

    Fair and Balance you missed my point.

    Here is the point again. If the policies written in Barbados is really owned and managed by Clico Trinidad then the protection of the policyholders investment, through the statutory fund would be held in Trinidad.

    That was Clico Barbados’ argument all along. When Clico Bds moved to issue policies under the name of Clico Bds without consummating the transfer as instructed by Supervisors and policyholders in the respective territories then it was a case of misrepresentation.

    It is not by accident that issues relating to Clico Bds and its debt arose following the collapse of Clico Trinidad.

    Put another way. Without the consummation of Clico Bds’ portfolio the company was operating like an offshore financial entity where it conducting a service locally for an offshore company.


  32. @Trained Economist

    Thanks for taking the conversation into what if and next step scenarios because this is the reality. Sylvan and WIV can pontificate until the cows come home and both political parties would still not be blameless in this matter.

    BUs position remain CLICO is too important a company on the Barbados landscape to fail.

    @Sylvan

    Can you explain Mia’s comment in the no-confidence debate that the strength of CL Financial provided a comfort for her government as it related to the short reserve in the statutory fund?

  33. Sylvan Greenidge Avatar
    Sylvan Greenidge

    @ David

    CL Financial would have provided a comfort for the Government of the day simply because the financial strength of CL Financial would have provided the safety net for policyholders in the event that Clico Bds had a run on it.

    For example, Clico Bds recently had a run on it to the tune of $118.million, had Trinidad been financially sound the Clico Bds would have been shielded.


  34. @Sylvan

    In essence you are saying the because of the financial comfort of the parent CL Financial the government of the day via the regulator turned a blind eye to the inadequacy of the statutory fund.

  35. Donald Duck, Esq Avatar
    Donald Duck, Esq

    anonymous

    Remember clico life never owned sam lords, villa nova or rayside. these were allegedly owned by clico holdings barbados.

  36. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    Exactly what point is Donald duck esq trying to make? I am quite unclear.

  37. Fair and Balance Avatar
    Fair and Balance

    No sir Mr. Greenidge I have not miss your point. No statutory fund held in trust on behalf of policyholders in Barbados for policies written in Barbados can be held in Trinidad unless it is approved by the minister. By persisting with this argument you strengthen the case that the supervisor office has been tardy and weak in dealing with Clico and Insurance companies in Barbados. I suggest you read the Insurance act section 25 thru 36 on statutory funds before you continue with this argument.

    Is Clico too big to fail?
    The only concern I have about Clico failing is the impact on consumer confidence in the investment in Insurance products. We have already seen this in the market due to the problems with Clico (just ask any Insurance agent operating in this market) and it is not due to the recession as insurance sales tend to go up in recessionary times.

    The issue of unemployment is not a factor in my view. It should not come at a higher priority than investor’s confidence. The 100+ agents are independent contractors and can ply their trade with the remaining insurance companies. This has already started to happen. I don’t know where the 1600 figure came from but I believe it is overstated.

    Should Government bail out Clico? I say hell no. It is a private company so the shareholders should bear the losses.
    Clico is supposed to have 1bil in assets – Clico Holdings? Or Clico Life? I believe it is Clico Holdings. How much in assets does Clico Life have? Is it enough to cover the policyholder and other liabilities? Can the asset of the holding company be transferred to the life company? All these questions must be answered.

    What does bail out mean? Propping up the statutory fund? Is the deficit in the statutory fund being quoted for the Barbados Policyholders only? Does it include the statutory funds in all the countries under Clico Int life in the OECS? A bail out can be in excess of 500mil. Can we afford it in these economic times?


  38. @Sylvan Greenidge,

    In trying to set the record straight you appear to be confusing some issues.

    You have pointed out that the 2007 audited financial statements stated that Clico Life had acquired the insurance and pension portfolios of Colonial Life Trinidad’s branches in various territories, but that the regulatory and policyholder approvals for these transactions have not yet been obtained.

    Presumably this business includes policies issued to Barbadian policyholders and policies issued to non-Barbadians. So as “Fair and Balance” pointed out the statutory fund requirement would seem to apply to the policies issued to Barbadian policyholders. To truly set the record straight you would have to give us the split between Barbadian and non-Barbadian policyholders.

    Furthermore it appears to me that your argument would only apply to the non-Barbadian policies that were taken over in 1997. Again, you would need to give us an idea of the value of those policies that are still on the books. I hope you are not suggesting that all of the policies written since then are also not subject to the statutory fund requirement. This would mean that they are Colonial Life policies and that Clico Life has not written any policies at all.

    Finally, are you suggesting that the Government of the day and the Supervisor of Insurance showed good judgment in accepting an IOU from CL Financial, in lieu of assets placed in trust (ie. the statutory fund)?


  39. @Trained Economist,

    I agree that the ideal outcome would be for the life insurance company, or the life insurance business, to be sold.

    My understanding of what the PM said is that the main reason to put Clico under judicial management would be to force a restructuring on the EFPA policyholders.

    Maybe the life insurance business and the good pension business can be sold off, and whatever is left (including the EFPA’s) could then be put under judicial management. Not sure of the legality of this though. It would be better though as you say if some institution other than the court could be in charge of winding up the EFPA portfolio.

    I think that many well run financial institutions in Barbados or anywhere in the world would have been in a similar predicament in the face of a run on their liabilities. Ordinarily Clico Life may have expected to be able to borrow to meet their liabilities but this would have been out of the question in the circumstances. Many of us seem to forget that there was a real danger that the Clico collapse may have spread to the other financial institutions, and this would have been a disaster.

    However there is no question that insurance supervision was poor, and continues to be. I have not heard of any plans to improve the situation other than to pass the buck to the Financial Services Commission when it comes into being.


  40. Is there any feedback on the plane leased by CLICO?

    One can only imagine that the lease agreement would have been rescinded by this time.

    BU also believe there is a valid position for Leroy Paris to resign at this time, it would send a positive signal because his brand and effectiveness has been dulled.

  41. Wishing In Vain Avatar

    FVunny how Slyvan the Parro Greenidge and Henderson Bovell nealy said Bovine but thought better of it, having run out of steam on the Parliament issue and can no longer get BITE no as per Muttley and traction on the matter have suddenly let it go cold and walked away from the subject, said before there was never any substance in their discussion and it was as empty as their leader Muttley is.

    So here they go again rtry another matter lets go once more with more non issues.

    The matter of Clico is one that requires many actions to get one good result and it goes back years in correction.

    Why was it when the BLP knerw corrective actions needed to be taken they looked the other way?


  42. The one question that should have been asked by the Opposition, as a matter of urgency, is whether and what is the Government doing to protect the interests of policyholders, by acting to protect /impound/ monitor the substantial land holdings of Clico in Barbados.

    ‘Technical’ ownership is irrelevant, it is Clico, simple. Any defense on placement of charges on these assets would be smoke and mirrors only.

    That said, what exactly made up the assets per the submissions to the Supervisor of Insurance, did it include these and if so, that in itself would be acknowledgement by the company of the relevance of these assets to Barbadian policyholders.

    If they were not, then I would ask why not and why would the Supervisor have accepted different?

    So, first step is put a charge on these assets to ensure none are sold ‘behind the scenes’.

    Not making any accusations, but simply that action now will prevent the danger that we would all be assuming that CLICO owns these, to hear sometime later that it does not and that these were ‘sold’.

    Last question, WHY has the Opposition not brought this important question to the fore? Even if they raised it, they have not placed much emphasis on this issue.

    Why? Instead of stomping and humphing about an armoury in Parliament, this is another pressing issue, concerning not only policyholders but all Barbadians, that is being ignored!

    Unless of course, the whole ‘gun’ DRAMA was staged, for distraction???

    Which lands does CLICO own exactly? We know for sure, MANY plantations.

    What action has been committed to prevent any sale, by ANY entity in the Clico group?


  43. @Crusoe

    Most reasonable Barbadians can appreciate the need for some confidentiality around such a sensitive matter but the level at which this matter is being politicised is the height of ignorance. The hole which Clico can create represents a healthy percentage of debt to gdp.

    Barbadians the opposition included need to appreciate the stakes and stop making the Clico matter a political football.

  44. Wishing In Vain Avatar
    Wishing In Vain

    Very well said David. There is a lot at stake from all angles.

  45. Donald Duck, Esq Avatar
    Donald Duck, Esq

    Crusoe

    When you speak of clico owning certain assets you need to specify which entity. Clico life Barbados (“CLB”) may have advanced a lot of funds to clico holding barbados (“CHB”) for its expansion. If CHB liquidates its assets it does not have to repay CLB unless CLB has a charge over the assets being liquidated. The adminstrators in T&T may call for the funds!!!


  46. Down with the Damned DLP and the Blasted BLP!!!

    The present PDC post has been taken from an earlier PDC post. We have thought it appropriate to essentially reproduce it here – with minor changes – to indicate – which almost every adult persons knows – that the DLP and BLP have NOT only grossly mismanaged the CLICO issue BUT they have ALSO generally grossly recklessly mismanaged the political and other affairs of this country.

    …………………………………………………………………………………..

    Here are 20 reasons why the broad masses of voters of people in Barbados must refuse to VOTE for the DLP and the BLP in the Next Elections in the country:

    1) For the DLP and the BLP’s recklessness foolhardiness in bringing about – within the last 16 years or so – staggering and massive increases in the Government Debt ( According to Mr. Dennis Jones citing the IMF Article IV consultation Report in his recent contribution to a popular business newspaper – at the end of 2009 the public sector was to be 116 per cent of GDP);

    2) For their atrocious and excessive domestic and foreign borrowings ( recently BDS $ 240 Million raised in a bond issue on the Trinidad and Tobago capital markets);

    3) For their role in helping to make the state too big, too inefficient and too unrational, and at the same time for their making sure that it is so expensive to run the state ( it takes about BDS $ 4.0 billion per year to run the state now in a roughly eight billion dollar economy – What madness!!!);

    4) For amassing huge and unmanageable fiscal deficits from time to time;

    5) For their tendencies to go and build too quickly too many huge non-income generating physical development projects, while at the same time refusing to have a structured program for the converting of many some times old, and many some times not so old abandoned “government owned” properties into good and useful purposes;

    6) For the DLP and BLP’s evil intention to continue TAXING individuals, businesses and other entities in this country;

    7) For the DLP and the BLP’ nefarious intention to continue with these very evil Interest Rates and Repayable Institutional Productive Loans Regimes in the country;

    8) For refusing to seriously reform the present Hire Purchase system in Barbados;

    9) For their dirty and reckless role over the years in helping to diminish, stagnate and weaken the manufacturing sector in Barbados;

    10) For their dastard role in helping over the years to diminish, stagnate and weaken the Agriculture Sector in Barbados;

    11) For starkly failing for a long time to remove the country’s largely contrived but unwholesome chronic dependence on the Tourism Sector, while refusing to listen to many cries for DLP and BLP Governments to diversify into other sub/sectors ( heavy duty manufacturing) and away from this type of dependence on that particular sector;

    12) For their promoting of this foolishness and stupidness called the CSME;

    13) For both the DLP and BLP’s outright refusal to totally stop our land spaces rights from being sold to foreigners – rather than leasing such land space rights to them for a relatively short period of time, say 10 – 15 years – subject to renewal and esp., when so many many Barbadians are without their own land spaces;

    14) For doing absolutely NOTHING to stop the costs of purchasing and building houses from going skyrocketing high in this country, and far out of the reaches of the ordinary man and woman;

    15) For their catastrophic failures in removing the great amount of traffic congestion that is seen on our many roads in the morning and afternoon during the week;

    16) For their downright failures to seriously arrest the pervasive and deeprooted problems at the QEH and throughout the wider health care system – having made many promises in the past to do so;

    17) For their gross and deliberate failure to Abolish this damn iniquitous Common Entrance Examination and to put in its place an appropriate National Continuous Assessment Program;

    18) For these two factions’ refusal to seriously restrain and control many of these negative destructive foreign/alien influences and encroachments, esp cultural ones, from affecting our realm;

    19) For refusing to Abolish the role of the Queen as Head of State of this a supposed independent sovereign country and to replace her with a local Head of State, an Executive President of the People’s Republic of Barbados; and,

    20) For their blunt refusal to grant greater sovereign power and authority to the people of this country over the entire affairs of this country.

    For sure, these are some of the real reasons why thousands upon thousands of people must REFUSE TO VOTE at the Next Election for the DLP and the BLP in this country, and instead VOTE for the PDC to redress such wrongs, where necessary, and to put in place the right modern systems and strategies, where necessary, to replace these very ineffective wicked systems and strategies that already have done so much damage to our people and to the country’s affairs.

    PDC


  47. As a policyholder who took the Government’s word, and did not withdraw my funds, I stand to lose a lot more than I can afford from this matter. Trained Economist has come with the best idea so far, in proposing that a re-structuring of the company could persuade policyholders to take back their money over time. I would prefer that instead of losing so many years’ interest. If, however, it turns out that I and other policyholders stand to lose money on this deal, I, at least, will see this as a betrayal by Government.

  48. Donald Duck, Esq Avatar
    Donald Duck, Esq

    peltdownman

    if the government persuaded you not to withdraw your money and you acted on that advice then you should go after the government for compensation.


  49. love it PDC
    absolutely love it


  50. I AM NOT AT ALL DIISAPPOINTED BY THE CLICO EVENTS.tHANK GOD FOR THE FINANCIAL INSTUTITION WHO BAILED THEM OUT- ART LEAST THE MORTGAGE DIVISION.iT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO LIE DOWN WITH DOGS ANN NOT GET FLEAS.O WHAT A TANGLE WEB WE WEAVE WHEN WE SET OUT TO DECIEVE.

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