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The news that Adidja ‘Vybz Kartel’ Palmer’s is scheduled to perform in Barbados since his release from prison has been confirmed for 2025 according to local media reports. The blogmaster’s opinion posted in 2010, almost 14 years ago remains the same. If anything the social landscape has deteriorated to the point that lends greater support to BU’s position (see 2010 blog below).

It seems Barbados is happy to drift where popular culture wants to take it and our leaders are too yellow bellied to make a stand. The reality is that dancehall music has been determined to have a negative impact on society; it is not the only factor but it is one. Leaders in the room have a responsible to push back. It should be instructive other countries in the region have the courage to say no with the goal to protect our children. Why the hell should we allow entertainment promoters whose goal is to make money to lead on matters of this kind? Vybe Kartel has a reputation of spouting the filtiest lyrics in the art form. Check “freaky girl part 2′ and ‘Come breed me’.

The blogmaster has no fear in repeating the call posted in this space in 2010 – Vybz Kartel and all the smutty dancehall artistes, stay the hell out of Barbados!


2010 BU blog – Movado And Vybz Kartel Should Be Told; Stay The Hell Out Of Barbados!

The Barbados Youth Action Programme, a Government affiliate under the chairmanship of Member of Parliament Hamilton Lashley, has scheduled performances of the Jamaican duo Movado and Vybz Kartel [SIC] for a reggae show on March 27 at the Midway House carpark, Bay Street, The City according to the Nation newspaper. The quote is instructive to shed some clarity on the current debate in Barbados about whether Movado and Vybz Kartel  should be allowed to perform in Barbados.

Another quote which is instructive is extracted from the Jamaican Gleaner newspaper of the weekend: Olivia Grange, minister of youth, sports and culture, responding to this latest saga in dancehall, said: “I am concerned and I have expressed concern about the content in some dancehall songs. I believe strongly in freedom of expression, but that comes with great responsibility. We can do without some of the lyrics, not only in dancehall recordings, but soca and hip hop too, and that is why we took steps to clean up the airwaves. This is an ongoing process.

We have two contrasting positions, a naive member of parliament Hamilton Lashley who believes adding Movado and Vybz Kartel to the entertainment mix of Barbados will help the youth of Barbados to reject violent behaviour. Bear in mind the two dancehall artists have developed a reputation built on violence and smutty lyrics in Jamaica, although the much publicised peace treaty has been getting a lot of air play.  The view expressed by Grange, the minister of youth tells a story of an embattled Jamaica currently battling with the negatives of the dancehall culture.

In light of Barbados’ current challenge with tackling deviant behaviour in the wider society and particularly among the youth, it seems a no-brainer to BU that as a country we should take a deep breath, take a step back and tell the Jamaican dancehall duo to stay the hell away from Barbados at this time. Of concern is the fact Commissioner Darwin Dottin who is responsible for maintaining law and order in Barbados has expressed distaste at the staging of the reggae show which has been dubbed a peace concert. Clearly a public relations scam by the promoters of the show to deflect the criticism by many who are concerned about the gaza gully conflict which  Movado and Vybz Kartel have been embroiled in Jamaica. Yes the gaza gully conflict is relevant to the Jamaican culture but who cares, it is what the two dancehall artists represent, crime and violence!

Minister of Education Ronald Jones has also publically expressed his displeasure at the staging of the show. It was only last week Jones held a meeting with principals of our schools to map an approach to stamping out deviant behaviour in Barbados. It is therefore very surprising that the promoter continues to advise Barbados the show is still on. By whose authority?

Part of the problem in Barbados has been our willingness to be politically correct. There is the argument proffered by Wickham et al, the liberals, that in a CSME arrangement Barbados would be violating the spirit of such an arrangement. It seems that there is an acceptance that if the balance of payment situation is threatened; Barbados has the ‘out’ to implement policies contrary to the economic and partnership agreements. However on the flipside if Barbados feels that its moral positioning is being threatened, we have to sit with our hands between the legs and do nothing.

There is great interest being shown by many to see how this matter will play-out. If the show goes forward it becomes a slap in the faces of Commissioner Dottin and Minister Jones. It does nothing for how these two important figureheads in our society would be perceived by Barbadians. Already the two are battling beleaguered positions.

BU is aware that Prime Minister David Thompson and family are fans of dancehall and there is nothing wrong with them liking this genre of music. In this case we believe the banning of  Movado and Vybz Kartel by the Barbados authorities given what they represent becomes a symbolic gesture which sends the message, this is our society and we intend to fight back. Obviously one single act will not do it but in light of the many weeds and cracks which have started to appear on our lawn; we have to fight back.

Yes the deviance must be tackled in the homes but guess what, we have many children who don’t live in homes. This means the government by proxy must play the role as step-father, or stepmother for that matter.


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185 responses to “Update: Movado And Vybz Kartel – Stay the hell out of Barbados!”

  1. ''''''FIRE'''''' Avatar
    ”””FIRE”””

    BAN BULLERS -DEM IS WHO GOT SOCIETY CORRUPT——BULLING DOGS

    BAN WOMEN FROM CERTAIN SOCIETY SITUATIONS SIMILAR TO HOW WOMEN WERE BANNED FROM CERTAIN CRICKET CLUBS–WOMEN ARE THE ARCHITECTS OF SOCIETAL DESTRUCTION-BAN THEM TOO

    BAN ME FROM THE BLOGS-(Wunna like dah nuh ?)
    b

  2. ''''''FIRE'''''' Avatar
    ”””FIRE”””

    WE CANT JUST ALLOW THINGS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT AND PEOPLE LIKE IT OR WHATEVER. WE HAVE SOCIETY TO PROTECT-BRING THE CAT-O-NINE , RING THE CAT-O- NINE IN THEIR TAIL—(apologies to calypsonian Observer)

  3. ''''''FIRE'''''' Avatar
    ”””FIRE”””

    wait they banned the CAT-O-NINE TOO ??


  4. “”Big up”” Fire
    Lend me a hammer


  5. @DAVID

    YES! SURPRISE! THE PEOPLE do have a choice NOT to buy the illicit MATERiAL.
    YES! THE PEOPLE do have a choice to say NO to their children in such matters
    YES! THE PEOPLE do have a choice to LEAD by EXAMPLE.
    However we as people PREFER THE CHOICE of giving that responsibilty to the govertnment, NOT A GOOD CHOICE.
    The PEOPLE already have the POWER to “BAN “if the used it. DoN”T BUY THE PRODUCT!

  6. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    We are here talking about setting examples,yet on this blog we have a newcomer – True Bajan (and Fire too) – he calls himself who is fouling up this blog with expletives.

    Don’t you realise in some house holds children read these blogs?

    I am asking the administrator of this blog,David to please don’t let these cuss words come through and to please warn the offenders.

    Please delete those words above and elsewhere if possible.

    Before this,contributors use to post a cuss word leaving out some words or just replacing a word with asterisks and everyone got their meaning.

    Man please let’s not get like the north american blogs and keep some civility on here please.


  7. @David

    “Man please let’s not get like the north american blogs and keep some civility on here please…”

    A passionate plea. This is a small decision for you. You are not the Government but you asking Government to ban on moral grounds. MUBB is asking the same of you. How do you propose to deal with that? Are you going to let those expletives come?


  8. @ islander // March 20, 2010 at 10:48 PM

    Well said.

    ********************

    @ Bush Tea // March 20, 2010 at 11:17 PM

    “SOMEONE has to lead and take decisions- otherwise we will always end up with chaos. This foolishness about “everyone deciding for themselves” has failed where-ever it has been applied.”

    Their is already a leader of this country… what you want are “moral police” running around beating and banning people that’s why im glad we are in a democratic society.

    You CANNOT and will NEVER decide for me.

    Movado & Vybz & Golden Girl RiRi sing crap but it sounds good and millions of people like it, don’t for one second undermind our educational system, our children know better but kids will be kids.

    ******************

    @ mash up & buy back // March 21, 2010 at 7:14 AM

    Agreed.


  9. @mash up

    Your point is taken, we left the words up to ram home the vulgarity because edits do not hide the meaning of the words. However your point about children reading the blog is taken. Let BU know if we missed any of the bad words.


  10. The government can pass a law to levy fines on radio stations which play that expletive music. That in itself would help to curb such behaviour over the airwaves.


  11. @DAVID

    YES! SURPRISE! THE PEOPLE do have a choice NOT to buy the illicit MATERiAL.
    YES! THE PEOPLE do have a choice to say NO to their children in such matters
    YES! THE PEOPLE do have a choice to LEAD by EXAMPLE.
    However we as people PREFER THE CHOICE of giving that responsibilty to the govertnment, NOT A GOOD CHOICE.
    The PEOPLE already have the POWER to “BAN “if the used it. DoN”T BUY THE PRODUCT!

    If only it were a perfect world.


  12. @DAVID
    Nobody is talking about perfection. We are talking about CHOICES.

    The government role is to PROTECT and SERVE its
    people not to take away the rights of its people.


  13. The government’s role is to serve its people and how it does that is where we now find ourselves.


  14. When will the government get around to banning persons from liming at night on the streets and environs near the central police station and the new judicial complex?

    When will they ban persons from liming nightly on the streets near the Garrison Savannah?

    Will the Government also ban wet fetes, blue movies, micro shorts and mini skirts, thongs, Days Of Our Lives, BET, Tempo, Rihanna, Lil Rick, BU?


  15. The government has many alternatives in which they can get around these social issues without having to “BAN “.They can rely on its people to form Citizens Watch Dog Groups where these issues can be taken up.


  16. I wish to better understand the position of AC and others on the issues of the rights of citizens and the responsibility of Government to secure the State. These are certainly important and are at the crux of all discussions about national development. In order to motivate a polite discussion I shall pose the following question:

    Should a Muslim group in Barbados invite say Abdullah al-Faisal to give a speech here would AC and others support the Government in permitting his entry to the island? Abdullah al-Faisal, a Jamaican born Islamic cleric, was expelled from the UK after serving four years in a UK prison after being convicted of soliciting the murder of Jews and Hindus. Before one says “but he was convicted of a criminal offense” please remember Jah Cure was also convicted of rape and served time in prison but was allowed entry to Barbados to perform.


  17. We really chasing our tails here!!


  18. Ban Freemasons
    Ban Blacklists
    Ban Corrupted Court Services
    Ban Common Purpose Organisations


  19. Ban War
    Ban Corruption in Politics
    Ban Poverty


  20. @Technician

    Actually we are tugging the tail of the lion.

    Note there is a callin show on VOB at this moment (11.13AM) dealing with this matter.


  21. Ban Dem has sarcastically asked why not ban a number of presumably objectionable activities and objects. There is actually a law against loitering! That it may not be enforced does not dispute the fact that such prohibition exists. Some years ago a man acting alone was arrested and charged with holding an unlawful march. There are more than a few who would support the “banning” of some or all of the things on Ban Dem’s list. E.W Barrow once prohibited Stokely Carmichael from entering Barbados. Mr Carmichael at the time was at the forefront for civil rights for Black people in the USA. Tom Adams had Ralph Gonsalves declared persona non gratia. So the agents of the State can and do apply sanctions when in their opinion the security of the state is “threatened”. I really have no concern with Movado or Vybz Kartel per se. I am not at all knowledgeable about them or their songs. However I am interested in reading both sides of the debate on the suggested determinants and limitations that should be looked at in deciding when the heavy hand of the state should intervene. If I understand opinions already posted, AC has stated that we must be very conservative in giving the State the ability to proscribe who and what we can listen to. Bush Tea on the other hand believes it is incumbent for the State in the interest of good and orderly development to intervene regardless of the tastes of the citizens. So where would a rational and democratic position fall?

    We will really be chasing tails when I write ban A and you say ban B and there is no attempt to provide objective parameters within which our position falls.

  22. ''''''FIRE'''''' Avatar
    ”””FIRE”””

    HELLO WHAT IS GOING ON BARBADOS ?

  23. ''''''FIRE'''''' Avatar
    ”””FIRE”””

    TO MASH UP AND BUY BACK

    Where did I used expletives ?
    What do really call expletives ?


  24. @Anonymous

    Having rights is not an option. It is a right that must be respcted and enforce by the government. THey are some of us who take those rights lightly as if like changing one clothes . Today it is o.k. then tomorow a different way. When those rights are taken away even however well intended society as a whole suffers even more.
    I am not willing to sacfrice my rights for the minority.
    When is it wrong to adress a group of people?
    I am sure the government can attend as well as listen to the speeches.


  25. If Mr. David Eliis feels so strongly about the direction the current callin program should go why did he not host the program? His intervention is reminiscence when he did a similar thing when Kim Young hosted a callin program during the last general election campaign.

    The policeman on the panel quite rightly indicated we have two issues, the threat posed by allowing the two dancehall performers to come and the bigger issue of finding ways to enrich our society.


  26. OK AC I respect your consistency. However non-citizens of Barbados have no right of entry to Barbados. What might be a more relevant and appropriate scenario would be the State not allowing internet access to specified sites such as is done in Cuba or China. Do we have a right to view say porn sites, hate sites, or sites that provide instruction on terrorist activities?

    Your alarm is pertinent and reasonable. As I write I am hearing Minister Stephen Lashley on the radio calling for prohibition of certain “types of songs”.


  27. bud avid = twitter.
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  28. @ David…

    We don’t want to copy America in some instances but the influence coming from it is one of the reasons we are in this position yes?

    One of the laws that I see in the USA right now, is one that I have raised in discussions in Bim many times.
    Look at serving alcohol to minors. You have to be 21 to purchase alcohol or the business can lose their license. What is the age limit in Bim?
    I have seen some of the lewdest behavior in popular nightclubs on a regular basis and Movado or Vibes Cartel had nothing to do with it.
    Instead of banning, why not look at enforcing the laws that are already there.
    I am sick and tired of seeing teenagers in clubs drinking until they are drunk without any consequences to the bar owners who are only interested in the $$$.
    There is a fete at a well known club called Models and Bottles, ladies pay $2 and drinks free all night. How many underage drinkers are served alcohol?
    At one of these fetes, a number of police officers were hurt in a fight.
    The thing is that uniformed officers walk through these bars but does nothing. What is the use of having laws if they are never enforced?


  29. @Anonymous

    Your question was pertainng to a persons right of Free Speech and I answered accordingly. Yes I am persistant because nothing trumps my civil rights, Too percious . Too Few.

    Like i said previously citizen groups working along with the government can resolved these type of social issues.


  30. @ ac…

    Nicely put.


  31. @Technician

    There is no doubt we have procrastinated as a society and we are beginning to see the negatives as a result. BU side with individuals on the subject of safeguarding our rights but is always cognizant that the state has always stepped in to compromise those rights when it is perceived that the bigger issue of national security is in play. We all are painfully aware as travellers how individual liberties have been encroached in the interest of national security in the post-911 period.

    The reality of any situation and we believe it applies here is the occurrence of several events in the Barbados society which has acted to become the tipping point. There is a sense by conservative Barbados that we are at the tipping point and the time has come to act. As a sovereign nation that should be our right and as Minister Lashley stated today, just appointed, he will be assessing the current state of things in the coming days before he announces a policy direction from government.


  32. I am not in favour of Gov’t intervention in every aspect of our lives, however I am in favour of certain industries policing themselves as it relates to their professional conduct. I listened to Ronald Clark who is the Program Manager of some of One Caribbean Media properties and in his stations defense he stated that artists rerecord some songs on their playlist with objectionable lyrics. The program manager shouldn’t be allowed to hide behind that explanation, the station has a responsibility to cease playing the song when it becomes aware that there is another version with obscene lyrics in the public domain and as far as I am concerned the stations are aiding and abetting these artists with the playing of a “tame” version of the songs which are really promoting the lyrics the artists really want to get out to their fans. These are the same stations that won’t hesitate to stop playing songs that are critical of politicians.

    Why can’t these media Corporations e.g. CBC/VOB etc.establish some standards that is a reflection of Community standards rather than having the Gov’t dictate what is acceptable. The stations should not be concerned about what is playing on the VRs; they should be focused on what they are playing.

    When I was in primary school some teachers would inspect our fingernails to make sure they were clean and our hair to ensure it was combed, looks like some people want the Gov’t to take up that role again.

    Welcome to the Nanny state.


  33. Sargeant the Government must set the standards just like in Canada.We have the CRTC to regulate broadcast industries.

    Some of the Barbados Radio stations promote partying and rum drinking.
    DJs driving from Rumshop to Rumshop, Karoake contest, etc.
    Why? It is what their Advertisers demand and pay for.

    Without Government regulation the stations will play anything that helps them
    drive up listenership numbers.


  34. Hants

    Agree with you about the CRTC but the CRTC is supposed to be an independent body that is not influenced by political considerations. I wasn’t about to recommend another agency staffed by people who get rich on the public’s dime. Seems like a lot of this debate is about the Gov’t stepping in and applying sanctions, however I just don’t get it with the constant calls to ban something, some of the bans are akin to using a sledgehammer to kill an ant.

    Remember some of what is written here also causes some discomfort to some politicians and other folks in positions of influence, what if they start calling for banning of the blogs too?

    Ooops I forgot the Leader of the Opposition once mused about that possibility.

  35. BadMan Saying Nuttin Avatar
    BadMan Saying Nuttin

    It is interesting to note that in Jamaica the police have banned any pre and post National School athletic fetes. Note carefully this is not a case of stopping artistes from entering and performing, it is much more severe. Any fetes around that time or associated with that event are banned. Yet we quibble over whether we should ban Vibez and Movado. We have to draw a line somewhere. You can’t police every suggestive song or performer out there but Vibez and Movado are so blatantly out there it really is not a judgment call with them. We should not take a North American stance in these things. Let me draw a parallel. In the USA burning of the flag is a freedom protected by their constitutional right to free speech. In Barbados we have legislated that no one has the right to deface a Barbadian flag and while we turn a blind eye to minor infractions like the wearing of flags as scarfs or tops or hats We would not tolerate the burning of our flag. The same principle applies with Vibez and Movado. We are not so stentorian that we would seek to ban or prohibit every suggestive song out there but in excessively lewd, vulgar, crude or violent, misogynistic examples action MUST be taken.


  36. @BMSN

    So what is the problem . If one is banned why not all?What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
    The example of burning of a nations flag is not a good example , Try again.Think!


  37. @David
    We are not talking about terrorist. These are two bit entertainers whose sole purpose is to make a quick buck and who might not have longevity artistic wise, and how some people are willing to give up their rights in favour of not having them to perform.How smart can that be?We are about to kill two birds with one stone.When in fact only the latter one matters.


  38. Look let Movado and Vybes Kartel come, but on one condition.

    The same group who are bringing them will be required to send Sister Marshall and Joseph Niles to Jamiaca.

    That way Bajans get to enjoy some of the best of Jamaican culture; and Jamaicans get to enjoy some of the best that Barbados has to offer.

    The jamaicans make some money, the Bajans make money too.

    That way everybody happy.

    And tobesides since the honourable Mr. Lashley is paid out of the Barbados taxpayers purse, should his job be to promote Bajan artistes, and let his Jamaican counterpart do the same for the Jamaican artistes.


  39. David wrote “a naive member of parliament Hamilton Lashley ”

    David you are wrong man. Hammi-La is a big-able hard back man. Naive what!!!

    The concert is all about making money for the singers, their managers, and the organizers.


  40. On March 16 at 7:11 p.m. Curious asked “this is way off topic, but can someone please define what a “yard-fowl”, is please”

    Richard Allsopp’s Dictionary of Caribean English Usage defines yard fowl as “a political lackey; a person who makes himself available as a party hack in return for political favours on which his livihood depends” Allsopp says that the term is derogotory.


  41. @ J I thought that was standard practice in the Caricom . Even before the CSME issue, work permit was only accessible to academics, journalist, athletes, entertainers and artists.We need to mingle more in the caribbean especially in the department of cross culture exchange.One of the main cause of caribbean insularity is our isolation.Jamaica music culture was developed by contribution made by other West Indians. As a matter of fact the Barbadian Jackie Opal was one of the original member of the skatalite band that introduce the ska riddim in Jamaica. To me he was one of or not the best voice of the era.I have all his recordings. Also, Trinidardians of the like of Lord Creator and Lynn Taitt was also pioneers in the development of the early form of reggae. The only reason why Jamaica is not big in calypso is that in Ja calypso is a uptown affair re-introduce into Jamaica by Byron Lee . Not to mention in the 1950s when calypso went global with Belafonte Album, the Trinis used to complain back then saying Jamaican stealing them music and only a Trini can sing original calypso everybody else is copycat. I have recording of the Mighty Bomber singing in the1950s in London castigating Jamaicans who sing calypso as copycats.


  42. I fully agree with ‘ac’, civil rights are never to be given up easily.Tyranny is waiting at the end of that road. I really don’t take its a good idea to encourage government to play with them willy nilly. Governtment is too far from perfect to mess wid my rights as far as i’am concernen.We need to look at the roots of these problems confronting us and do way with this type of knee jerk solutions.

    Enforce the existing laws …..if the performers break the law while on stage …then act ………..it not keep wunna tales quiet.

    Most Governments do this ‘banning’ thing when they have run out of ideas and want to appear to be ‘doing’ something. Check it out . There is a Jamaican Minister speaking out strongly against Dancehall…..and this may be quite warranted. However , I hope people are aware that the two main Political Parties have done much to encourage the Garrison mentality and the arming of ‘Dons’ when it assisted their Political objectives.


  43. Even if these two singers are allowed to come smutty lyrics and all why are we letting them talk to our children?

    Even in Jamaica they are starting to become severe on actions directed at the dancehall culture, let us wait until our society falls flat. The signs are already appearing.

    Rights are rights whether it be terrorists who bring bombs or terrorists who infect morals.

    Did anyone hear when the promoter of the show referred to Hammi la as a minister? All of them are a pack of illiterate backward set of people.


  44. 39 year old Zion referred to the following musical artists who played “revival style” music which is still popular today available and re-released on CD and MP3
    (a) Jackie Opel
    (b) Lord Creator
    (c) Lyn Tait
    (d) Byron Lee
    (e) Skatalites


  45. Daddy Kool said that the trouble with an anti- terrorism indoctrination mindset is people start labeling rebel kids terrorists. The public have lost all their rights to protest or do what they want in the Nanny state. Big Brother is watching and Auntie Moral teaching and controlling you 24-7-365.


  46. Well aparrently de show off, lololol

  47. ''''''FIRE'''''' Avatar
    ”””FIRE”””

    SHOW TOOK PLACE ALREADY
    IN THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY
    IT WAS GAZZA VS, GULLY

    WUPS ! CUFF TO THE HEAD
    BUPS !KICK TO THE GUT

    AIEE ! AIEEE ! AIEE !
    OH GOSHEE !


  48. Jamaica has issues, even more than we do and we do not wish to import same.

    I see a news story reported that Bruce Golding has allegedly made two excuses for not extraditing a certain drug lord to the US?

    Interesting ‘reasons’ that he has given! Interesting indeed.

    As for Movado and the other idiot….put them right back on the same plane, as they arrive.

    Who don’t like it..can lump it!

    National Security always trumps!


  49. Seems like we have our locally raised Movado And Vybz Kartel in the House. Gun men as Ministers! WOW! An indication of the path this country is going down.

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