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We are being told to hold strain because in another month the Barbadian health authority expects to get their hands on the H1N1 vaccines. Should we be happy at the news? US Cable Networks and others in the medial fraternity have been highlighting an opposing view to taking the H1N1 vaccine.

Is there clarity to this matter?

This year it is more important that you protect your children and loved ones from the flu vaccines than influenza itself.

This article on Lew Rockwell discusses how:

  1. The swine flu is simply another flu. It is not unusually deadly.
  2. This is the first time both seasonal and pandemic flu vaccines will be administered. Both seasonal flu and swine flu vaccines will require two inoculations. This is because single inoculations have failed to produce sufficient antibodies. This is an admission that prior flu vaccines were virtually useless. Can you trust them this time?
  3. Adjuvants are added to vaccines to boost production of antibodies but may trigger autoimmune reactions. Some adjuvants are mercury (thimerosal), aluminum and squalene. Why would you sign a consent form for your children to be injected with mercury, which is even more brain-toxic than lead?
  4. This is the first year mock vaccines have been used to gain FDA approval. The vaccines that have been tested are not the same vaccines your children will be given.
  5. Over-vaccination is a common practice now in America. American children are subjected to 29 vaccines by the age of two. Meanwhile, veterinarians have backed off of repeat vaccination in dogs because of observed side effects.
  6. Modern medicine has no explanation for autism, despite its continued rise in prevalence. Yet autism is not reported among Amish children who go unvaccinated.
  7. Researchers are warning that over-use of the flu vaccine and anti-flu drugs like Tamiflu and Relenza can apply genetic pressure on flu viruses and then they are more likely to mutate into a more deadly strain.
  8. Most seasonal influenza A (H1N1) virus strains tested from the United States and other countries are now resistant to Tamiflu (oseltamivir). Tamiflu has become a nearly worthless drug against seasonal flu.
  9. Public health officials are irresponsible in their omission of any ways to strengthen immunity against the flu. No options outside of problematic vaccines and anti-flu drugs are offered, despite the fact there is strong evidence that vitamins C and D activate the immune system and the trace mineral selenium prevents the worst form of the disease.

For even more reasons, please review the full article on LewRockwell.com.

Sources:

LewRockwell.com September 16, 2009

Living Wisdom E-Newsletter, September 2009

New York Times September 18, 2009


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87 responses to “9 Reasons NOT To Take The Swine Flu (H1N1)Vaccine”


  1. Holtorf, an infectious disease expert?

    LOL

    (well its faux news so really cant expect any different.)


  2. Now here’s another wrinkle:

    Canada: Study prompts provinces to rethink flu plan
    Report suggests people who get vaccinated (against seasonal flu) are more likely to catch H1N1

    A “perplexing” Canadian study linking H1N1 to seasonal flu shots is throwing national influenza plans into disarray and testing public faith in the government agencies responsible for protecting the nation’s health.

    Distributed for peer review last week, the study confounded infectious-disease experts in suggesting that people vaccinated against seasonal flu are twice as likely to catch swine flu.

    The paper is under peer review, and lead researchers Danuta Skowronski of the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control and Gaston De Serres of Laval University must stay mum until it’s published.

    Met with intense early skepticism both in Canada and abroad, the paper has since convinced several provincial health agencies to announce hasty suspensions of seasonal flu vaccinations, long-held fixtures of public-health planning.

    “It has confused things very badly,” said Dr. Ethan Rubinstein, head of adult infectious diseases at the University of Manitoba. “And it has certainly cost us credibility from the public because of conflicting recommendations. Until last week, there had always been much encouragement to get the seasonal flu vaccine.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15516


  3. @Not Saved

    Care to explain your scepticism?


  4. I am pretty skeptical of these vaccines to be issued since I watched some details on CNN’s AC360 regarding of the vaccine to counter H1N1.


  5. By now you all should know that this is a big money scam used to kill off as many people as possible,the nasal spray carries the H1N1 virus so that once you take it you will catch the swine flu and spread it.
    http://www.infowars.com/doctors-concerned-flumist-vaccine-could-spread-live-h1n1-virus/
    This is a well thought out plan to cause a worldwide pandemic and usher in the New World Order.More to come as the scam develops.


  6. I would like all pregnant women to practice good hygiene and don’t follow these blind doctors here who listen to everything Washington D.C tells them to do.It seems that once somebody from over and away says it is ok to take these dummies in this part of the world say”yes massa” and that is that…think for yourselves.


  7. I have never taken any type of flu shot and certainly don’t intend to take the swine flu shot. This is all hype and scam. If you are a healthy adult with no underlying medical problems or a compromised immune system, there is no benefit to having the vaccination.


  8. Be very skeptical of anything coming from the drug companies right now.

    Explain how, just HOW, can a company be legally exempt from action for negligence????????????????????????????????????

    If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck…its NOT a monkey!

    Use your noggin, something is strange.


  9. This story broke of PIG* Flu (aptly titled) sometime in February 2009 over a major pharmaceutical cock-up here in Europe….

    SEE:-

    http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

    LIES*, SPIN,DECEIT & SOPHISTRY have been used every since then as smoke & mirrors to belie what many are calling a conspiracy…

    The UK’s Chief Medical Officer Liam Donaldson went on TV in July claiming that 65,000 people in Britain could die from the disease – while the WHO was saying the world was under severe threat – but the numbers were subsequently dummed down in each case….

    These so-called “experts” are “IDIOTS” with an agenda –

    The “PHARMACEUTICAL RACKET” has roped in government and NGO’s in this triad of conspiracy for the sake of multi-billion dollar profits at the expense of people’s ignorance…

    Dr.Mercola has been warning us about H1N1 since the fracas and bungling over the FLU SAMPLE* in Austria began…

    If this virus exacerbates due to willful contamination this winter – here’s Dr. Mercola et al advice on what to do….

    SEE:-

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/19/The-Truth-about-the-Flu-Shot.aspx

    Further evidence of the dangers of this JAB*-

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/01/Swine-Flu-Shot-Linked-to-Killer-Nerve-Disease.aspx


  10. @David,

    Show me that Holtorf is Board certified in the relevant speciality and my skepticism shall vanish accordingly.


  11. @Not Saved

    What does the following say about the Doctor?

    Kent Holtorf, M.D. is an expert in natural bioidentical hormone replacement and optimization for women and men, endocrinology, thyroid dysfunction (difficult thyroid cases), fatigue syndromes, adrenal insufficiency, growth hormone replacement, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, chronic infections and multiple endocrine dysfunction.

    Dr. Holtorf is diplomate and a board examiner for American Board of Anti-Aging Medicine (ABAAM). As a board examiner, Dr. Holtorf is responsible for administering the oral portion of the board exam and evaluating the physicians’ responses to determine if their knowledge base in endocrinology and natural hormones is high enough to receive board certification in this field. Dr. Holtorf received his doctorate of medicine from St. Louis University with residency training at UCLA. He has personally trained physicians across the country in the use of bioidentical hormones, hypothyroidism, complex endocrine dysfunction and innovative treatments of chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia and chronic infectious diseases, including Lyme disease. He was the founding medical director and developed the protocols for Fibromyalgia and Fatigue Centers and other centers across the country.


  12. @David,

    Yes what does it say?

    And what does it not say?

    Apparently he is not Board certified in the relevant speciality, infectious disease.

    What a surprise!

    Perhaps our friend Georgie can give us a comment.

    Oh by the way, his residency training at UCLA was in Anesthesia.


  13. @David,

    Note as well that his “American Board of Anti-Aging Medicine” is not recognized by the ABMS or any other legitimate medical organization.

    Can you honestly say you are surprised that Faux News calls this guy an “expert in infectious disease”?


  14. @Not Saved

    Do you accept that several other medical experts have contested the honesty of the vaccine?


  15. @David,

    Nice switch.

    Do you first care to comment on a news organisation holding a non expert as expert to lend credence to the statements being made?


  16. @Not Saved

    The switch as you term it was not mean to avoid your question but simply to highlight the substantive point that there is considerable opposition by a cross section of medical experts about the the honesty of the H1N1 vaccine.

    To answer your question we are not sure to what extent the validity of an opinion on the matter should be solely determined on a paper qualification at the expense of a worthy body of medical knowledge even if it is weighted in other areas of medical science.


  17. No one suggested the validity of the opinion should be solely determined by the paper qualifications.

    The issue here was a deliberate misleading claim by the news station.

    That cannot be condoned under any circumstances irrespective of how valid the adjoining statements may actually be.


  18. What do you mean by “honesty”?

    Unsafe?
    Not efficacious?
    Both?
    Fraudulent?


  19. All of the above.


  20. The following link debunks the alleged
    vaccination/autism link

    http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/02/us-vaccine-court-sides-with-science.ars

    this link tackles the Amish argument

    http://autism.about.com/b/2008/04/23/do-the-amish-vaccinate-indeed-they-do-and-their-autism-rates-may-be-lower.htm

    As to the argument that the swine flu is simply another flu, you are correct, however normal flu has can have high mortality in children and older persons, or persons with underlying conditions. These are the people for whom vaccination is indicated.

    Hope this helps


  21. @David,

    Since the FDA and CDC recommend the vaccine to targeted groups are these bodies collaborators or victims of the fraud?

    To answer your question, I am not aware of any creditable medical authority who claims the vaccine is fraudulent.

    I found this article particularly lucid.

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2009/10/12/091012taco_talk_specter


  22. I thought that this part of the article was worth reproducing directly……..

    +

    “In fact, the new H1N1 virus is similar to seasonal flu in its severity. In the United States, influenza regularly ranks among the ten leading causes of death, infecting up to twenty per cent of the population. It kills roughly thirty-five thousand Americans every year and sends hundreds of thousands to the hospital. Even relatively mild pandemics, like those of 1957 and 1968, have been health-care disasters: the first killed two million people and the second a million.

    We are more fortunate than our predecessors, though. Scientists produced a vaccine rapidly; it will be available within weeks. And, though this H1N1 virus is novel, the vaccine is not. It was made and tested in exactly the same way that flu vaccines are always made and tested. Had this strain of flu emerged just a few months earlier, there would not have been any need for two vaccines this year; 2009 H1N1 would simply have been included as one of the components in the annual vaccine.

    Meanwhile, the virus has now appeared in a hundred and ninety-one countries. It has killed almost four thousand people and infected millions of others. The risks are clear and so are the facts. But, while scientists and public-health officials have dealt effectively with the disease, they increasingly confront a different kind of contagion: the spurious alarms spread by those who would make us fear vaccines more than the illnesses they prevent”


  23. I really enjoyed this argument between David and not saved. I think that not saved won the debate.


  24. Thanks J. Kind comments always welcomed.

    I do not see David as a loser in any debate.

    He puts the info out there knowing happily the BU family will challenge it if need be.


  25. @huh?

    I do not think that a ruling by the court proves anything or should set aside any myths. The court did not do any research. It is certainly a myth to think that unsuccessfully trying to replicate the condition is proof of anything. It would be good to see more details.

    Even so, to speak of the infallibility of the court or other authorities is certainly a myth. Tell me how many drugs the FDA has had to recall after finding them to be harmful? How many innocent men and women the courts have found guilty and executed?

    Having read the articles at the end of your links, I personally am not convinced. The questions I would like answered are as follows:

    1. If we agree that not everybody that is vaccinated becomes autistic, then is it not possible that some are vulnerable and this is a minority that would have to be searched out?

    2. What tests were done on victims to determine if there is anything within their metabolism that would make them vulnerable?

    3. What methods were used to try to replicate the condition? What were the ages of those used in the study and what results led to the conclusion that the condition could not be replicated?

    4. What is the possibility that some bodies may be making methyl mercury and not ethyl mercury? (maybe by ingesting a particular food, drink or medication)

    5. What studies were done to determine whether the mercury reacts unfavourably under certain conditions?


  26. @Not Saved

    Why don’t you do the mathematics? 35,000 people in a season in the USA alone for ordinary flu. I would suggest that we are in the bloom of the H1N1 season and you are reporting 4,500 deaths. Now where did this figure come from? Can you provide the evidence by country?

    Here is a Reuters report released exactly 3 weeks ago:

    WASHINGTON – The death rate from the pandemic H1N1 swine flu is likely lower than earlier estimates, an expert in infectious diseases said on Wednesday.

    New estimates suggest that the death rate compares to a moderate year of seasonal influenza, said Dr. Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University.

    “It’s mildest in kids. That’s one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic,” Lipsitch told a meeting of flu experts being held by the U.S. Institute of Medicine.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877953


  27. ROK.

    One of the key concepts in science and medicine is that of peer review. This means that if one doctor finds Measles RNA in the bowel of children with Autistic spectrum disorders then other doctors should be able to find them there as well. This simply has NOT been the case.

    EVERY ATTEMPT to replicate the study or to find supporting data has failed to do so. This fact coupled with the fact that the doctor who conducted the study received millions of dollars from lawyers suing vaccine companies.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1265373.ece

    also recently information has come to light casting further doubt on the study.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/02/british-doctor.html

    interestingly what has changed is this immunization rates (particularly in the UK) have fallen, rates of autism have continued to climb, and deaths of children due to measles has skyrocketed.


  28. @ROK,

    I suggest you read posts with greater care.

    I am not reporting anything.

    Exactly what mathematics would you like me to do?

    I have posted excerpts from an article in the New Yorker. You can check the reference.

    The figure of “roughly 35,000” quoted in the article for annual seasonal flu deaths in the US is entirely consistent with figures posted by the CDC.(36,000 annually)

    I will give you a reference.

    http://www.flu.gov/individualfamily/about/index.html

    The article also referenced that there were “almost 4,000 deaths” in 191 countries for H1N1.

    Update 69 of WHO on H1N1 states:

    “As of 27 September 2009, worldwide there have been more than 340,000 laboratory confirmed cases of pandemic influenza H1N1 2009 and over 4100 deaths reported to WHO.”

    Again, I will provide the reference.

    http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_10_02/en/index.html

    Can I also point out that the New Yorker article excerpt started with the following ….

    “In fact, the new H1N1 virus is similar to seasonal flu in its severity.”

    What exactly were you trying to rebut with the Reuters quote?

    Next time, read my post a little slower.


  29. please release me, thanks


  30. David…can you not see that “Not Saved” has drunk the kool-aid..why are you wasting you time,let him and the rest of debunkers roll up their sleeves and get the shot,this is not the time to be going back and forth with these government believers,this fool is following stats and figures from the CDC..i won’t even waste time with him.


  31. Not Saved,

    Goodness, why be so dogmatic and rely on peer review etc. There is such a thing as commonsense.

    No one except Georgie may be a doctor here, but we ‘should’ have a level of commonsense.

    While no one can tie autism etc to vaccines and there are multiple factors, such as other environmental and egentic factors that may contribute, the reality is that I too know personally at least one person who is convinced that their child was communicating and alert pre-vaccine and that the autism was caused by the vaccine.

    We could go round the bush with this for ages.

    That said, for the H1NI, there are things that are very strange, as said, giving the drug companies carte blanche via legal immunity for this vaccine production.

    Urgency is one thing, but irresponsibility is another.

    Further, you do know that there was an FDA head who left a pharmaceutical company, headed the FDA for a couple of years, during which time said company’s drug was approved.

    He then subsequently returned to that company.

    But, surely we can have no qualms on the integrity of such approvals, we can rely on his integrity as a good person. Right?

    But, justice must be seen to be done, so….

    Back to the H1 NI.

    I personally think that ONLY if the WHO genuinely thinks that it will mutate into something worse, is there cause for mass immunizations.

    Targeted immunizations are logical, IF we have confidence in the vaccine, for those susceptible persons.

    Mass immunization is suspect.

    Further, the Canadian study, even if disregarded, merely illuminates the issue of lack of detailed verifications on the vaccine and the legal immunity issue.

    These cannot be reasonable, UNLESS the WHO is ‘playing the odds’ in its own belief that the virus will mutate anytime soon, into something truly deadly, as did the Spanish Flu.

    That above is said, based on the issues and FACTS that are public, no conspiracy argument etc.

    Now, if we go one step further.

    Is is not unusual that in the midst of an economic disaster, the drug companies receive this massive boost via vaccine sales and Tamiflu sales ( which apparently some experts do not recommend for children).

    We can put it down to coincidence…or not.


  32. swine flu + aids
    =
    H1N1 + HIV
    _______
    NEW WORLD ORDER

    =ERADICATION

    =IRAN

    Figure it out


  33. I guess Not Saved has never heard of the Eugenics program or population control,or has he and just wants us to drink kool-aid..lol.


  34. You know “freewilly”, there is a way to debate without resorting to calling other debaters “fools” and if others wish ” to waste their time” giving thought to what that person has to say, that is their prerogative. Quoting current media cliches such as “drinking the kool-aid” everytime someone presents an intelligent argument for discussion is a cop-out for those who lack the ability to respond maturely and responsibly.


  35. @Crusoe,

    ?

    Perhaps you also need to read posts more carefully.

    Tell me something that I posted that was either “dogmatic” or inconsistent with anything that you have posted.


  36. Not Saved,

    No, I read your posts. Maybe, if you do not intend to come across as dogmatic in support of ‘the official line’ on the vaccine program, then you need to take care in how you write, because it is clearly coming across as dogmatic.

    What you and have posted is materially different, as noted you are clearly supporting the mass vaccination programme, with cause for pause. That is how your posts have come across, even if you have not intended such.

    I have agreed the potential usefulness of vaccination, IF certain parameters are met, but raised caution on the issue of carte blanche vaccination.

    If you also agree that the mass vaccination programme needs to be clarified and an explanation given, particularly with regard to the issue of legal liability on the part of the drug companies, then please forgive me and I am glad to hear yet another agree on this point.


  37. Sorry, second paragraph without typos s/be,

    What you and I have posted is materially different, as noted you are clearly supporting the mass vaccination programme, without cause for pause. That is how your posts have come across, even if you have not intended such.


  38. @Crusoe

    And what mass vaccination program would that be??

    Please show where I am “clearly supporting the mass vaccination program”?

    Please, I ask again, show precisely where what I have posted is materially different from yours.

    And again, what “mass” program would that be since I know of none but perhaps you can tell me of one.

    It is “clear” from your posts that you do not understand the approach to liability for vaccines in the US.

    You are also quite incorrect because there is nothing “strange” about the H1N1 vaccine, it is being treated the same way as all flu vaccines are virtually all childhood vaccines. The US have a different approach to vaccine liability.

    Tell me do the manufacturers of the vaccine have “legal immunity” in Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Australia? to just name a few countries?

    It is interesting to come across as “dogmatic” but you did not point out a single dogmatic statement.

    Ironic.


  39. @Crusoe,

    This is the only statement that I have made on the vaccine….

    “To answer your question, I am not aware of any creditable medical authority who claims the vaccine is fraudulent.”

    posted at 9m yesterday in response to a question from David.

    How do you jump from that statement to “you are clearly supporting the mass vaccination programme, without cause for pause”

    Please tell me how my answer to the question posed by David is “dogmatic”?


  40. @Cruso to ‘Not Saved’

    “Goodness, why be so dogmatic and rely on peer review etc. There is such a thing as COMMONSENSE.” emphasis added.

    Can one expect ‘Commonsense’ to prevail and be exhibited in the mind of an ‘Atheist’ when Almighty God, declares such a one, to be a ‘Fool’?

    Hardly!

    ps. Just look at the ‘peer’ review nonsense such a ‘fool’ uses to support the ‘theory’ LIE of evolution!


  41. Hello Zoe, nice to see you again.


  42. Not Saved,

    Forgive me. I am glad to hear that I have misconstrued your approach and, as I do, you would not support an approach that is different (with H1NI) and are opposed to any mass vaccination programme without full explanation. Excellent.

    Just one point, you note ”You are also quite incorrect because there is nothing “strange” about the H1N1 vaccine, it is being treated the same way as all flu vaccines are virtually all childhood vaccines. The US have a different approach to vaccine liability”

    So, it is not strange that the vaccine is being hurtled out within such a short period of time?

    We surely differ on that point and we are indeed blessed to have someone so enlightened here, to show us that things are different than we all have been led to believe, particularly the labelling of this as a pandemic and thus what we thought was the reason for such swift response.

    Just one request, that when you post article links and excerpts from articles, that you explain exactly how these impact your opinion and interpretation of the situation, rather than leave us to guess your motive for posting.

    This will enable us to become mopre enlightened.

    Thanks!


  43. Not Saved, you asked ”And again, what “mass” program would that be since I know of none but perhaps you can tell me of one”

    Now read this excerpt CAREFULLY.

    This from a recognised site, the CDC, nothing more authoritative.

    2009 H1N1 Influenza Vaccine
    October 5, 2009, 1:45 PM ET

    What are the plans for developing 2009 H1N1 vaccine?
    Vaccines are the most powerful public health tool for control of influenza, and the U.S. government is working closely with manufacturers to take steps in the process to manufacture a 2009 H1N1 vaccine. Working together with scientists in the public and private sector, CDC has isolated the new H1N1 virus and modified the virus so that it can be used to make hundreds of millions of doses of vaccine. Vaccine manufacturers are now using these materials to begin vaccine production. Making vaccine is a multi-step process which takes several months to complete. Candidate vaccines will be tested in clinical trials over the few months.

    When is it expected that the 2009 H1N1 vaccine will be available?
    The 2009 H1N1 vaccine is expected to be available in the fall. More specific dates cannot be provided at this time as vaccine availability depends on several factors including manufacturing time and time needed to conduct clinical trials

    Will the seasonal flu vaccine also protect against the 2009 H1N1 flu?
    The seasonal flu vaccine is not expected to protect against the 2009 H1N1 flu.

    Can the seasonal vaccine and the 2009 H1N1 vaccine be given at the same time?
    Inactivated 2009 H1N1 vaccine can be administered at the same visit as any other vaccine, including pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine. Live 2009 H1N1 vaccine can be administered at the same visit as any other live or inactivated vaccine EXCEPT seasonal live attenuated influenza vaccine.

    Who will be recommended to receive the 2009 H1N1 vaccine?
    CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) has recommended that certain groups of the population receive the 2009 H1N1 vaccine when it first becomes available. These target groups include pregnant women, people who live with or care for children younger than 6 months of age, healthcare and emergency medical services personnel, persons between the ages of 6 months and 24 years old, and people ages of 25 through 64 years of age who are at higher risk for 2009 H1N1 because of chronic health disorders or compromised immune systems.

    We do not expect that there will be a shortage of 2009 H1N1 vaccine, but availability and demand can be unpredictable. There is some possibility that initially the vaccine will be available in limited quantities. In this setting, the committee recommended that the following groups receive the vaccine before others: pregnant women, people who live with or care for children younger than 6 months of age, health care and emergency medical services personnel with direct patient contact, children 6 months through 4 years of age, and children 5 through 18 years of age who have chronic medical conditions.

    The committee recognized the need to assess supply and demand issues at the local level. The committee further recommended that once the demand for vaccine for these target groups has been met at the local level, programs and providers should begin vaccinating everyone from ages 25 through 64 years. Current studies indicate the risk for infection among persons age 65 or older is less than the risk for younger age groups. Therefore, as vaccine supply and demand for vaccine among younger age groups is being met, programs and providers should offer vaccination to people over the age of 65.

    Should I get vaccinated against 2009 H1N1 if I have had flu-like illness since the Spring of 2009?
    The symptoms of influenza (flu-like illnesses) are similar to those caused by many other viruses. Even when influenza viruses are causing large numbers of people to get sick, other viruses are also causing illnesses. Specific testing, called “RT-PCR test,” is needed in order to tell if an illness is caused by a specific influenza strain or by some other virus. This test is different from rapid flu tests that doctors can do in their offices. Since most people with flu-like illnesses will not be tested with RT-PCR this season, the majority will not know whether they have been infected with 2009 H1N1 flu or a different virus.

    Therefore, if you were ill but do not know if you had 2009 H1N1 infection, you should get vaccinated, if your doctor recommends it. So, most people recommended for 2009 H1N1 vaccination should be vaccinated with the 2009 H1N1 vaccine regardless of whether they had a flu-like illness earlier in the year. If you have had 2009 H1N1 flu, as confirmed by an RT-PCR test, you should have some immunity against 2009 H1N1 flu and can choose not to get the 2009 H1N1 vaccine. However, vaccination of a person with some existing immunity to the 2009 H1N1 virus will not be harmful. For more information on flu tests, see Influenza Diagnostic Testing During the 2009-2010 Flu Season.

    Any immunity from 2009 H1N1 influenza infection or vaccination will not provide protection against seasonal influenza. All people who want protection from seasonal flu should still get their seasonal influenza vaccine.

    Do those that have been previously vaccinated against the 1976 swine influenza need to get vaccinated against the 2009 H1N1 influenza?
    The 1976 swine flu virus and the 2009 H1N1 virus are different enough that its unlikely a person vaccinated in 1976 will have full protection from the 2009 H1N1. People vaccinated in 1976 should still be given the 2009 H1N1 vaccine.

    Where will the vaccine be available?
    Every state is developing a vaccine delivery plan. Vaccine will be available in a combination of settings such as vaccination clinics organized by local health departments, healthcare provider offices, schools, and other private settings, such as pharmacies and workplaces. For more information, see State/Jurisdiction Contact Information for Health Care Providers Interested in Providing H1N1 Vaccine.

    Will this vaccine be made differently than the seasonal influenza vaccine?

    No. This vaccine will be made using the same processes and facilities that are used to make the currently licensed seasonal influenza vaccines.
    ———————–

    Now, while the CDC clearly emphasises the important categories of persons that will be given priority for obvious reasons, it goes on to say repeat here (recommended that once the demand for vaccine for these target groups has been met at the local level, programs and providers should begin vaccinating EVERYONE from ages 25 through 64 years)

    Everyone? Does that word not describe a mass vaccination programme?

    Seems fairly plain to me, unless you wish to second guess the choice of words that the CDC uses?

    I have never seen the CDC recommend that everyone receive a seasonal flu vaccine, only targeted groups.

    So, there you go for the authority of my noting the ‘mass vaccination programme’.

    And, as you see, it is the highest authority, from the horses mouth.

    So, yes or no. Do you support the mass vaccination programme?

    Now, in terms of the method used to make the vaccine, obviously this will be similar to that for making all

    But, the point is, the speed at which this has been achieved.

    That is what has some of us concerned.

    But, mayb e you can enlighten us on this?

    Thanks again!


  44. @David

    It is about time to ban certain people that keep referring to others as ignorant and as fools among other degrading names and labels. It is of poor taste and we usually associate such behaviour with those of little integrity and intellect.

    We say they resort to name calling when they have no other responses. Like parents who beat the stuffings out of their children because they don’t have the words. Then these same children resort to bullying other children to their death. This is what these people are perpetrating.

    These people have been persecuting other members of the BU family; something they (the perpetrators) don’t like being heaped upon them and have complained for centuries that people do this to them.

    It is a pity that they call themselves christians and men of good but would still perpetrate this evil. Funny enough the atheists are not persecuting anybody but these same perpetrators would seek to sully the names and characters of atheists; although not limited to atheist.

    This wickedness must stop, David. It represents Satan at his best. You just put up a thread on a mother who abandoned her baby for dead and in the news the bullying of Ian Gibson that led to his death; he was surely persecuted to death.

    We have a duty as citizens to nip this kind of behaviour in the bud. We have to ask ourselves what kind of persecution and stigmatisation that mother went through to almost cost the death of her child. Ian Gibson was not so lucky.

    If we live in a christian society, why do we condone these things. I hear you asking for leadership but it would seem that our leadership is doomed in the face of these wicked people who have set the standard for child raring; spare not the rod. We see where the rod has taken us; to produce cruelty, stigmatisation, persecution and all the negatives.

    Over time, we have produced some of the most cruel parents and people who have very little regard for poor people and a system which criminalises our people. If we are speaking of sound leadership, this too must end.


  45. @Not Saved

    but in delivering your comment you made it seem that at long last, a ruling by the court will drive some sense into people’s heads. This in itself implies that the vaccinations are safe and you say this against the background of announcements for mass vaccinations.

    Now tell me, what is the purpose for driving sense into the heads of people? By this innuendo, you are supporting mass vaccinations since there is nothing wrong with the vaccinations, right?


  46. @ROK

    Perhaps we have to finds ways to condition the ‘good’ guys?


  47. @Crusoe,

    First you post…..

    “you are clearly supporting the mass vaccination program”

    Now above, you ask….

    “So, yes or no. Do you support the mass vaccination programme?”

    So you admit putting words into my post?

    You claimed the H1N1 was “strange” in that it had legal immunity. I pointed this was incorrect, because it is normal for vaccines in the US to have legal immunity.

    You NOW say it is strange because of the speed to market.

    It is made the same way as seasonal flu vaccines and has taken a similar time, I cant say considering the concern of the WHO that it is particularly strange.

    You do realise that the vaccine is voluntary? even for the target groups?

    @ROK,

    And what court ruling did I post? And how does this mean I support mass vaccinations of H1N1 vaccine?


  48. @Crusoe,

    I think you have misunderstood the CDC document.

    “Everyone” is not in the recommended list.

    In the event of shortage (against uncertain demand, it is voluntary) the CDC lists groups to be prioritised WITHIN the recommended list.

    For example all children 5-24 are recommended to have the vaccine but they are not in the prioritised group (unless they have a chronic medical condition and less than 18 years old)

    Persons 25-64 at risk of complications from flu are in the recommended list but they are not in the prioritised group.

    Only after these groups are met can the providers begin everyone else and that ‘everyone’ is anyone who asks for it. This is likely to be people who are in recommended list but not in the priority group.

    “Everyone 25-64” is not in the current recommended group for the vaccine.

    And of course the vaccine is voluntary, not mandatory.


  49. @Crusoe,

    I suspect you misunderstood there are two lists.

    A recommended list and a priority list.

    “Everyone” is on neither list

    People age 65 and over are on neither list.

    Once the priority list is met and the DEMAND from younger groups are met , only then should the vaccine be OFFERED to over 65.

    I hope this makes it clearer.

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