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Stimulus Package Locally made soft beverages (sweet-drinks) are no more. Today almost all soft drinks and concentrates like mauby and ginger beer come from abroad. Is it that small domestic industry is beyond the ability or inclination of the Bajan? Imagine Canadian brand bottled water on our supermarket shelves. We have some of the softest, purest, natural water any where on planet earth, much of which goes to watering golf courses. An 18 hole golf course requires about 3000 gallons of water a day. This helps to lower the water table and increase the cost to the people. Wouldn’t it be better to bottle and sell our own water? At least it would generate some jobs and revenue.

Then there is JU-See, one of the best soft drinks around. The company was uniquely positioned to more or less monopolize the market. Production cost notwithstanding, the loss of market share and declining profit margins was more or less inevitable. In an age of flavourings, essences—from strawberries and grapes to pineapple and guava— and packaging, little was done to diversify and bring new products to the market. One is hard-pressed to find a country where soft drinks and water-based tropical fruit drinks are not profitable. It seems that foreign control is needed to render our business profitable.

Flying fish has long been a staple. There is a mob-o’-ton of fish of all sorts, especially off the East and South coasts. Shortly after SHRIMP was discovered at our doorstep, Dipper brought in a small fishing fleet capable of fishing where our little fishing boats couldn’t go. Before long the ships ended up tied to the wharf. Why need not detain us here, but it wasn’t due to the lack of fish. One person got one of the ships met the Japanese trawlers, took what they didn’t want and made a tidy living. Nothing wrong with that. The four vessels the Canadians gave us for inter-regional transport also had a very short life.

Has it occurred to those past and present with, among other things, self-possessed vision, to set up a little fishing industry to service the island and export It makes more sense to invest the $40m set aside for decorating Sandy’s House on three on four small fishing boats, processing equipment and enhancing storage facilities. External agencies will help. There is a market for fish and unique flying fish and by-products at home and abroad. When we can’t get flying fish or the price is too high, a flying fish lunch can be had at a certain New York hotel for about a modest $160.00.

In certain countries the water is so polluted the fish is left alone or eaten at your peril Fish has to be imported The fact that they could come from far away to fish in our waters as has been and is the case right now underscores market existence. Flying fish can be gutted and packaged whole them, or down the centre into two steaks and sold in packets of four or six steaks. The melts (and rows) can be made into a gourmet condiment specialty fit for the royal table. Heads and bones can be made into broth and soup. Add bits of root crops, or vegetables and different assortments of spices and you end with product differentiation. The same can be done with other kinds of fish.

Consider small industries to make sweet potato, yam, plantain and breadfruit chips, cassava flour and by products like jams, jellies etc, from citrus products. The price of wheat flour was so high in Nigeria the people started mixing it with home made cassava flour. Today cassava flour is a flourishing industry in its own right. Land devoted to growing these and other food items will feed the people, be far more productive, and generate much more long term revenue and employment than golf courses, hotels— we continue to have excess ‘hotel’ capacity— and homes for rich expatriates. Has anyone stopped to ponder the socio- economic and psychological impact of the latter?

By the way I believe there is a law on the books restricting the height of buildings, also one restricting the use of agricultural land to agriculture production only. Have these laws been amended in any way? Or are foreigners exempt? Perhaps it is time we stop the remaining agricultural lands—like Todds— being given over to building projects and golf courses. Given the rising cost of imported food we might to return to bush tea for sustenance

The notion that agricultural land, especially sugarcane land is non-productive is patently false. Sugar on its own was never really competitive. Sugar lost its competitive advantage when the preferential status it enjoyed in the mother country ended and other substitute sweeteners came on stream. Lower export prices rather than more expensive sugarcane or declining yields per acre resulted in declining profit. Except for rum, molasses and falernum, we failed to generate sugar-byproducts.

Falernum is apparently a rare and unique product that is unique to Barbados. Mixed with soda or coconut water it makes a splendid non-alcoholic beverage. Among other things it can be used in desserts, light pastry, sweet salads, appetizers and other concoctions. We are still to exploit the potential of this unusual product. Then too there is the good old Swank—syrup and lime etc, waiting to be rediscovered.

Coconut water is naturally isotomic with the same level of electrolyte balance as found in our blood. It contains lauric acid found in mother’s milk, more potassium than most soft drinks, has less fat, no cholesterol, is high in chloride and is naturally sterile. These products are more healthy for the body than the most popular soft drinks on the market.

To start we would have to import citrus from the islands while growing the products we need, which is not a bad thing. It would generate revenue and employment, lower consumer prices and facilitate trade all around. As an added bonus the islands could end up buying more from us which would enhance our export earnings and reduce imports.

Will any of these projects come on stream? Don’t hold your breath. Some years ago Professor Francis noting the importance and value of agriculture beckoned Bajans to return to the land. The response was revealing: “…you expect our children with five or more ‘O Levels’ to work the land… you must be joking… We got people here to do that.” Not much has changed. We were born to wear collar and tie. Working the soil is a deadly sin.


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  1. The BU family has said it before if it is not broken Caribbean governments and by extension the people will not fix it. We have a peculiar comfort level with plastering over the cracks. Which Caribbean economy has overall any of the fundamentals of their economies in the last 10 years?


  2. A good post with ideas that are worthy of consideration.

    Barbadians have a fear of agriculture, it is our undoing, abroad generations of very rich and highly educated people go into agriculture and in some families it is done with great pride. In Barbados oh no! wear a tie to work or a smart dress in the office and you have arrived, what a pity.


  3. Yardbroom, if an application before Town Planning is successful, more prime agricultural land will soon be going out of agriculture. Saw this on another blog:

    Notice of Public Consultation Nation page 26, Saturday March 28, 2009
    Consultation at the Meeting Hall of St. David’s Anglican Church on Monday April 27, 2009 at 6:00pm.
    The meeting will allow for comment and discussion on the proposed plans for the subdivision of lands at St. David’s Village, Ch. Ch and Staple grove Ch. Ch. Into lots for residential purposes.
    Prior to the consultation, you are invited to view the documentation on the project at the Town & Country Development Planning Officce, Church office St David’s Church, Wildey Gymnasium, Bridgetown Public Library.

    According to the “documentation” there is an application in Town Planning to change 136 acres of agricultural land, representing 30% of Staple Grove Plantation, from agricultural to residential.

    In the year 2009 shouldn’t “documentation” of this type also be posted on the web? Available for purchase from TCPDO ? If the intent really is for the public to be truly consulted it would be. Shouldn’t it be more widely advertised? I never saw the press ad myself.

    Will this be another “consultation” where just a handful of people attend? Will the Ministry of Agriculture be represented? James Paul from BAS? Parliamentary representative for the area? Agriculturalists?

    Who are the “applicants” and “developers”?


  4. Yardbroom, if an application before Town Planning is successful, more prime agricultural land will soon be going out of agriculture. Saw this on another blog:

    Notice of Public Consultation Nation page 26, Saturday March 28, 2009
    Consultation at the Meeting Hall of St. David’s Anglican Church on Monday April 27, 2009 at 6:00pm.
    The meeting will allow for comment and discussion on the proposed plans for the subdivision of lands at St. David’s Village, Ch. Ch and Staple grove Ch. Ch. Into lots for residential purposes.
    Prior to the consultation, you are invited to view the documentation on the project at the Town & Country Development Planning Officce, Church office St David’s Church, Wildey Gymnasium, Bridgetown Public Library.

    According to the “documentation” there is an application in Town Planning to change 136 acres of agricultural land, representing 30% of Staple Grove Plantation, from agricultural to residential.

    In the year 2009 shouldn’t “documentation” of this type also be posted on the web? Available for purchase from TCPDO ? If the intent really is for the public to be truly consulted it would be. Shouldn’t it be more widely advertised? I never saw the press ad myself.

    Will this be another “consultation” where just a handful of people attend? Will the Ministry of Agriculture be represented? James Paul from BAS? Parliamentary representative for the area? Agriculturalists?

    Who are the “applicants” and “developers”?


  5. Sorry about the double post. My tie was a bit too tight this morning!


  6. The Only Question That Should Be On Every One’s Lips Ought To Be – How Will Prime Minister Thompson Finance His $745 Million Budget Deficit.

    The second question is – what exactly DLP Minister’s want to implement that Public Servants do not want to help them with, hence the criticism?

    Could it be:

    (A) the Cell Phone Tax

    (b) the extended basket of good that we were told – would have been exempt for environmental levy

    (c) the Road Tax Refund which the DLP is now collected illegally

    (d) The Agricultural Protection Act, which would have estopped C.O.W taking that acreage out of Agriculture.

    Where is James Paul???
    ………………………………………….
    How will Prime Minister Thompson Finance his $745 million deficit.

  7. Wishing In Vain Avatar

    Funnily enought had the taxpayers had on hand the millions that the former group of thieves stole from them in projects like the DANOS 3 S Road Works fiasco and outright scam, the truck parts that were ordered and paid for by SSA and never seen by the department, the tripling of the cost on the Prison project built by VECO, the doubling of the cost on the Oil Storage built by VECO, the Hardwood Housing scam. all of that money blown and now attached to the bank accounts of people like Owing, Mottley, Marshall, Clarke Liz Thompson, shameful , a real and obvious disgraceful act by these former leaders.


  8. No Madame henry!!!

    Had the DLP got it right on Barbados’ Offshore Oil Exploration Programme, instead of causing this country to loose millions

    (a) had David Thompson not made those cardinal blunders, including his inflationary budget and 77% diesel price increase;

    (C) had the DLP known what it is doing – thereby preventing Thompson from having to reshuffle his stale and tired Cabinet in record time

    (d) were the BLP managing the affairs of State – Barbadoswe would not now be in this position.

    Here is more DLP trivia:

    I heard PM Thompson on VOBs 8:30 news this morning speaking on the occasion of earth day in St. John.

    Our Prime Minister said that when people kill their pigs to make pudding and souse and recklessly discard the entrails, that that is an environmental risk factor.

    It would be but – doesn’t the laws of Barbados require that all slaughtering is to be done at the that slaughtering facility at Balls?

    Oppps, in just days. That is even better that putting a “welcome sign” on the Arawak.

    Little wonder that CARICOM Heads choose the Guyana President to speak on their behalf and not the man who “HAD” lead responsibilty for CSME.


  9. WIV.. where is the proof of what you speak? This money in the bank accounts, where is your proof of this? From what I see you and Dark Knight trade shots here in almost every thread, but he actually has a point right now, its off topic, but still .. its obvious you cant answer him, you resort to that tired refrain of the Bees did this that and the third.

    on topic..

    Looking Glass.. we have been sold out, it probably seemed easier to collect in the short term than maintain the means of production and take a little longer to generate wealth for the country, themselves, whatever.


  10. Looking Glass wrote:

    “The notion that agricultural land, especially sugarcane land is non-productive is patently false.

    Sugar on its own was never really competitive. Sugar lost its competitive advantage when the preferential status it enjoyed in the mother country ended and other substitute sweeteners came on stream.

    Lower export prices rather than more expensive sugarcane or declining yields per acre resulted in declining profit. Except for rum, molasses and falernum, we failed to generate sugar-byproducts.”
    ————————————
    I believe this is the BLP’s policy on a Sugar Cane Industry – as outlined in this transcribed version of what Opposition Leader Miss Mottley said in the Estimates Debate:

    Miss Mottley: “This is where the BLP was taking What is worse, Sir, when you look at page 280, guess what one of the objectives is?

    Transforming the sugar industry into a sugar cane industry and, Sir, what has been abandoned, is the sugar factory at Buckeley, a factory that would take Barbadian sugar and instead of us exporting it as a bulk commodity against the fact that the Europeans have said, we are giving you a 36 percent price reduction on the price of bulk sugar and that the only hope for us is for us to have a sugar cane industry that produces specialty sugars.

    Then, look to see how we can use the cane to help make pharmaceuticals, and other products.

    Sir, there is nothing about that in here.

    Sir, we had gotten the Barbados Light and Power Company Limited to agree to take equity into the company.

    They agreed to buy back the electricity that it would be producing.

    We also agreed, Sir, that we will be taking some of the material from Mangrove to help produce the electricity.

    We also agreed that we would take Buckeley Sugar Factory in the heart of St. George – not a word from the Honourable Member for St. George South – to create a living museum, in order to be able to create jobs for people from Ellerton and elsewhere, so that they could still have economic activity, where heritage tourism would effectively come to them in the parish of St. George.

    Sir, would you believe that this would have been relegated to the back burner, if any burner at all, simply because the Minister of State in Finance, does not deem it a priority.

    Sir, poor Minister of Agriculture this, and the Sea Island cotton have been put on the back burner.

    Would you believe, Sir, that there is nothing in these Estimates to allow Barbadians to maintain national security, in terms of food, to be able to reduce a $1/2 billion import bill?”

    This is precisely what Kerrie Symmonds was telling the Minister of African Snails, Rat Poison, Sweet Pepper and 4H – in the Senate but Haynesley get vex.

    Cud dear!!!

    Kerrie went “Harrison College” You don’t expect the man to be bright!!!

    The question remains:

    How will Thompson finance his $745 million budget deficit?

    Were the BLP in office, the sugar cane industry would be making the world of difference.


  11. @ Wishing in Vain

    Oh man the DLP must be in dire straits to bring out this old nag again.

    They just havent got a horse that can run.

    3S was a reputable company that has been smeared by the deliberate actions of those with an agenda ie to win the elections for DLP

    And whose stoogies the MPT department under the agis of NASH LOVELL Dave Scanterbury and team have cost the BARBADOS PUBLIC MILLIONS through deliberate delay and have inflicted on them a highway that is at once both useless and dangerous.

    A successful campaign the results of which can be plainly seen by the ENTIRE COUNTRY.

    No traffic solution – after having the benefit ,advice and expertise of internationally experience traffic engineers .

    Results

    No modern highway
    No FREE FLOW
    One great big traffic snarl a hotch potch of silly traffic lights and dangerous crossings.
    Lets not even mention roundabouts- best not go there .
    Loss of productivity.

    Man your lot blew it big time WIV!


  12. It is known across the world that the firing 3S had more to do with the DLP being aware that Clico (which engages in inter-pary transaction) was in trouble – hence the decision to bail it out by giving Rayside work?

    Why? Campaign financing and pay back!!!!

    I am putting it to you Madame henry – that firing 3S has more to do with proping up Clico than anything else.

    Madame henry, as for the prison – is it not true that the government “got back ” $5 million – based on a clause in the contract – because the Prison was built within budget?

    BU, this is the same DLP that said it will not cheat; steal or lie – you know!!!


  13. Ru4reai andDark Knight do not foget that the ABChigh way projet as done without aplan or a written contract by the bunch of theifs who were voted out of office in jan 15, 2008. This current administration is only completing what they found onnl change to the highway was to discontinue the so call flyovers to no where.Sir Charles Williams has stated publicly tha his section had no over runs but theBLP were pumping millions of dollars into the project as over runs, who has the money? When the DLP took up office the defict was over 630million leave by the BLP so stop asking silly questions Henderson you was used by theBLP and cannot be trusted,the economy is in good hands with honest people.


  14. Pease excuse my poor typing skills but the message is there dispite some grammar errors.


  15. Late to reply, you can add to no plan or no contract, no publicly advertised request for proposals or tender.

  16. Jukecheckedeyskirt Avatar
    Jukecheckedeyskirt

    Excellent suggestions for which some of the mentioned (namely those on fish) have been brought to the table by two very gifted young men within the Agriculture ministry. No one is listening. We have golden apples but no juice related or carbonated drink product from this fruit. We have tamarinds that makes an excellent drink mix but there just fall of the trees to rot. We have sugar cane but seem to think that the only worthwhile thing to come from it is sugar. Cane juice and molasses makes a delicious drink. In England, Germany and the US, nearly every conceivable fruit is tranform into a by product or value added product. In Barbados we prefer to import alot of what we can seek to manufacture here. Our country, with all the education we have, behaves like a backward, nonsensical, idiotic bunch brainless brutes.


  17. Jukecheckedeyskirt
    It is noteworthy that yours is the only post that has even sought to address the issue at hand. We have a lot of education indeed!


  18. Well, that Canadian bottled water that the Bajans are buying and consuming in large quantities is NOT spring water. Tests carried out by Health Canada proved that Canadian bottled water is no better than ordinary tap water. In fact, it was proved that it was TAP water.

    That was when I stopped buying it. Now I boil what I drink or just use a filter.

    I buy coconut water and jelly in the can and plastic containers from Thailand. I also buy tamarind drink from India and Thailand. Sugar can juice from Vietnam. You name it, you can get it here from another country, but never Barbados.

    Jamiaca exports fruit juices as well and even sea moss. We can get three or four different types of Jamaican yam, including yellow and Trelawny. We get nothing from Barbados. The flying fish sold here at 5 for $7 Canadian are from Trinidad and Tobago.

    Oh, yes, I almost forgot, we get eclipse biscuits. lol!


  19. For over 10 years Barbadians have been told that its manufacturing plant is inadequate to compete on the world stage in any serious way. Our economy was shifted to rely on tourism and services at the expense of the manufacturing sector. As someone alluded to the collin tie syndrome maybe responsible.


  20. David // April 24, 2009 at 12:52 am

    “For over 10 years Barbadians have been told that its manufacturing plant is inadequate to compete on the world stage in any serious way. Our economy was shifted to rely on tourism and services at the expense of the manufacturing sector. As someone alluded to the collin tie syndrome maybe responsible”
    ——————————————
    All I can say is that you just cannot keep up with gissip on this blog. Still, we should be more careful – just so the rest of the world do not start to feel that there is no way that the Barbadian society could ever be 98% literate.

    Here is the BLP’s policy on Manufacturing. Mia Mottley said so in the Estimates so I believe I am on good ground to come to that conclusion:

    The Leader of the Opposition:

    “Sir, all the abuse of our Strategic Plan, there were eight points in here for the stabalisation of the manufacturing and industrial sector.

    There ranged from things like selling factory space to entrepreneurs who need to get equity in the building to make their company stronger, rather than continuing to pay rent; to reducing rents at the IDC for small businesses and small enterprises in manufacturing; to be able to create opportunities for joint sourcing of materials particularly in the condiment sector; to facilitate joint branding and distribution issues, particularly for micro enterprises in the manufacturing of condiments; to be able to deal with the Barbados furnisher industry.

    Sir, not as a political issues, but I am asking the Honourable Member for St. Philip West what if there is one project that was left there for him to do, the Honourable Member for St. James Central claimed he knew nothing about it but I hope that the Honourable Member for St. Philip West takes it up and deals with it, that in the Barbados Furniture Sector marketing study, because I believe we have three centuries of history that we can leverage in order to develop a vibrant furniture industry in this country again, not based only on local production, but also the export of capital and designs to countries like Guyana, Costa Rico and China, so that they come under the Barbados label.

    Instead of stores like Ethan Allen using the Barbados furniture and getting the benefit from it that Barbadian will benefit from the use of its name as well as its designs.

    Sir, we left six designs chosen by a Committee of persons involved in antiques and furniture in this country, well respected and on the top of their game, and we chose those six designs in order to allow Barbados to produce those six designs across the world at the very high end, as a reproduction of itself and a modern interpretation for them.

    Sir, the Honourable Member for Christ Church South does not seem to appreciate there are real furniture manufactures in Barbados, that furniture manufacturers employ people in Barbados, and I trust that he does not speak for the Honourable Member for St. Philip West, who if he took him on a tour of the industrial estates would see that if those furniture manufacturers got access to money and to modern equipment, including computer technology, that they would be in a better position to help produce those six pieces, behind which a national marketing effort should go.

    Sir, so low is the vision of the Honourable Member for Christ Church, that he cannot believe that in an endeavour in which Barbadians have been occupied for over three centuries, should be one that would carry us into the 21st century.”

    David – It was the BLP that formulated a National Strategic Plan for the Manufacturing Sector.


  21. Does this plan include a reduction in the cost of doing business in manufacturing? Fuel and the cost of labour in Barbados play a major part in the decision to get into manufacturing product x or y here, versus somewhere with lower operating costs. From what I read Mia was talking specialty and niche markets, and not mass production. Would we not be taking the same risk as going into the high end tourist business? It’s still dependent upon our ability to compete for a chunk of the disposable incomes of the rich, when in recessionary times like these dwindles and leaves us scrambling.

    I believe we would benefit more if we were able to become a competitive volume producer of a commodity, like the same fruit drinks, or even water. We’ve enough to wet the road for a week via unattended burst pipes, we could have filtered that, bottled it and sold it. The only thing distinguishing high end water brands is marketing not so?


  22. @ GBL Blog

    Alas! An extremely rare opportunity for an intellectual exchange.

    I was beginning to believe that people do not read.

    Yes, kind Sir – as you correctly pointed out – the first imposition by the DLP was Mr. Thompson’s 77% petroleum price increase on diesel.

    Then his failure to remove tthe VAT from electricity bills as he promised the Manufacturing sector posed even greater promlems for it.

    It must be noted that over the past 10 years the manufacturing sector has contributed an average of 8% of GDP, while providing employment for some 10,000 persons on an annual basis.

    Sir, the BLP wanted to move that 10% to 12% of GDP and as I understand it – was working towards the to goal of that sector earning $1 billion in exports by 2012.

    As regards quality, I must be noted that Barbados would have to meet high international standards for food.

    Still, your post highlights the folly of Agriculture Minister Haynesley Benn and the DLP believing that African Snails; Rat Poison; 4H and Sweet Peppers is all there is to Agriculture.

    Perhaps you should encourge them and Looking Glass to lobby for Benn and this administration to make haste with the “National Agriculture Health and Food Control Authority,” so that our fish and other things can take advantage of the Economic Partnership Agreement we signed with the EU.

    Good post.

    Let us seek to maintain this standard. I was beginning to this that all people wanted to talk about was “p’ulling” sorry – I forgot the “b”.


  23. @ Late to reply

    You lie!

    The ABC Highway was not built without a plan or a legally binding and enforceable document.

    Consider this silly!!!

    There is a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between CL Financial and the Government of Trinidad and Tobago.

    Is that a Court recognised – binding agreement (contract law) preventing CL Financial from selling its assets?

    Wasn’t there a MOU between 3S and the Government of Barbados?

    Listen to yourself girl!

    The only change to the highway cannot be the flyover project!

    Something had to replace flyovers – hence there had to be alteration to the design of the road – hence: “The John Boyce Death-Trap.”

    Abdul Pandor said in the Advocate that as they see something that wants correcting, they will change it.

    Isn’t that on a rolling basis?

    Note that having said that world would be completed by the start of the September 2008 School Term, Death-Trap Minister John Boyce now says by August this year.

    Silly!

    Both C.O.W and Rayside were contracted by 3S, but please tell the BU Family – how cost overruns occur.

    In circumstances where provision was already made for flyover, how could it be possible to change the design; dig up and resurface long stretch of road without additional cost?

    Still, the DLP will spend $128 million plus and no flyovers or so free flow of traffic.

    Late to reply, you must not write without thinking.

    Unfortunately, some people cannot chew chewing gum, type and think the same time. You must be eating!

    When the Auditor General’s Report is released we will hear about the money you purport is missing, although you seem to have an extremely primitive understanding of how a Ministry and Government functions.

    Look Silly! Ministers do not handle money! But since the DLP is in office, I do not see why I should cause you to change your view.

    Suffice it say, let us wait for the Auditor General’ 2008 Report.

    According to you – the economy is in good hands.

    Take note that neither Standard & Poors nor Barbados Macro Economic Indicators, support you wild baseless allegation.

    Now I know why this country is in crisis and am beginning to understand why Minister Sinckler said that Barbadians do not know anything about Parliamentary procedure or how government works.

    I have no reason to think that you are not a Dem. All I can say is that the Rt. Excellent E.W Barrow – the architect of Education – must be really disappointed.

    But some will slip through the cracks!!! You emphasise this point beautifully and effortlessly.


  24. Well said Dark Knight!


  25. Dark Knight,

    Let’s leave aside the MOU which is supposed to be contract. With regard to the so called “ABC Highway/Flyovers”

    Was there a publicly advertised request for proposals?
    Was there a publicly advertised tender?

    If the answer to either or both is yes tell us the paper, and date of the advertisements.

  26. lLate to reply Avatar

    Dark Knight you are so correct the Right Excelent Errol Barrow MADE A GREAT injustice to Barbadians when the likes of you can state that a MOU is a contract. 3s gave C O WILLIAMS and RAYSIDE CONSTUCTIONS writen contracts but they did not have any from govermen. They started expanding the highway at $100 million without a plan with an agreement to pass back x amount of millions to the BLP minister so they dont have to handle the money directly so that is a non point intelgent you know the system well. You can not make changes to highway which does not have an plan smarty. On the issue of the auditor general report it is going to be very damaging to you party , i know that you are geting on the edge for your all wrong doing but the goverment will make no mistake when it bring its case


  27. ILate to reply please tell us what constitutes a Contract.


  28. Barbados market of 1/4 million is really too small for meaningful support to manufacturing even of processed food and furniture. Secondly access to that (mass) market require going through the likes of One Caribbean Media and that is not cheap. Thirdly commodities are a bargain basement campaign where exchanges in Europe and the US set the prices. My God we have had the experience of nutmeg and sugar and bananas and bauxite (mineral, similar) and it never works in favour of the producers. Leave that kind of development to the Far East and look towards semi-processed goods instead.

    How do you get media houses to drop their rates and be part of the recovery and development effort? Industrial development needs strong domestic support.


  29. A contract is an agreement between two or more parties. But it is not that simple , in dealing with goverment it should be in writing and for eg like the ABC highway price ,time etc should be agreed on not as the minister need more largees you hear the scope of the work change so more money paying out.But you may get bright ask if a cotract cant be verbal the answer is yes but not when spending over a hundreds of millions you would have to be plain stupid or crazy. but then a promise may be a contract to you


  30. Thanks latetoreply, now enlighten us as to what a MoU is and the details of the one signed by Government & 3S.


  31. Looking Glass:
    An excellent post.
    Some follow up comments are far off the ‘point’ and appear divided on ‘Party lines’.
    Barbados has an educational system which I am led to believe is second to none and still no one can be found to challenge the ‘statuesque’.
    I agree with the post which hinted that the Late Hon. Prime Minister Barrow would be turning in his grave if he was aware of what is now happening in the country he loved.
    Many Bajans have the ability to do many of the things mentioned above, but are saddled with ‘negative attitudes’ which tend to hinder progress.
    (1) From his own people; (2) The stereotypical beliefs held by people, near and far;
    (3) Finance companies.
    It is not expected for a Bajan to own or manage a big company; own a lovely home or a ‘nice car’, dress smartly or speak well.
    You hear comments like, “Who he think he is?”
    On the other hand someone from outside (especially if he is not ‘black’),can come into the country and have permission to start a business with little or no obstacles placed in his way. All the help he needs is given. He hires, eg: 25 local people to begin with. At year end he finds his profits are not what he had anticipated and that 25 is reduced to 5 persons.He then applies for a work permit to bring in somebody from abroad,because he says he can’t find a Bajan suitably qualified. The foreigner then hires a ‘local’ for assistance because he knows little about the job he is managing . This is fine with some authorities and the general public. The person who is able to see through the scam says nothing.
    Barbadians can excel in all the above mentioned and many more, but it is often not supported by his own; politician or public.
    Why is it that a Bajan can be successful in another country and yet not his own?
    Some people reading my post may disagree, but I think things are too often done in Barbados based on “Party Lines’.


  32. Paradox,

    Donald Austin (Barbados Scholar) dropped a couple hundred “in anticipation” of things heading south. Oliver Jordan (Barbados Scholar) may very well do the same. Both take (well took) instructions from abroad. The larger point here is that our Barrow initiated freely educated stars only serve as fronts for large international interests whose only goal is to exploit, no juk out the eyes of Caribbean people. Few of them are involved with developing Barbadian/Caribbean products for export.

    When Oran eight years ago threatened to pull up stumps and relocate to Guyana, I would have told him to “have fun” and then re-employed his staff in a new Government owned operation to compete with his.


  33. A MOU is a legal signed document.

    In this case it was signed – as said by Mia Mottley in her opposition speech by the representatives for the government NASH LOVELL and the lawyer WINSTON COPPIN.

    As been explained many times
    The increase in cost was due to the huge increase in the scope of works as requested by the MPT.

    They in the person of NASH LOVELL wanted the road widening and other additions that were NOT in the original remit.

    This extra work is now made out to be
    ‘over runs’

    All that comes out of the MPW is lies.
    And it cost Barbados plenty.


  34. No response from Dark Night as expected so let’s ask ,ru4real.

    Let’s leave aside Nash Lovell and the road widening. With regard to the so called “ABC Highway/Flyovers”

    Was there a publicly advertised request for proposals?
    Was there a publicly advertised tender?

    If the answer to either or both is yes tell us the paper, and date of the advertisements.


  35. @Dark Knight

    We agree that the former government prepared a pretty national strategic document.


  36. Why should we put aside NASH LOVELL and the road widening?

    He and his department are the major cause of the so called ‘over runs’.

    There are no over runs at all.

    If you request extra work you have to pay extra its a simple enough concept.

    One practiced in every sphere of business.


  37. The former government correctly identified the solution to the traffic problem.

    That they were spot on must be a source of annoyance to all the naysayers and luddites.

    Especially as every man woman and child in the country now knows they were absolutely right.


  38. @ late to reply

    International firms working on large projects do not rely on verbal contracts.

    They follow a well marked path of contractual law.

    The government has at all times had its own lawyer WINSTON COPPIN.

    Hi name is on the MOU signed on behalf of the government.
    If he did’nt think it was legal why did he sign it?

    Likewise the contractors and sub contractors all have their own legal representatives,overseeing contractual issues at all time.


  39. 3S was not an international company at the time but one set-up shortly
    before the contract was awarded i..e no track record.


  40. Drak Knight and ru4real why won’t you answer my question?


  41. Ask Dark Knight and ru4real a simple question and they run away, with their tail between their legs.


  42. Your questions only leap up when the names NASH LOVELL and WINSTON COPPIN are mentioned.

    Ask them why they signed the MOU
    then ask them why they deliberately sabotaged the ABC Project at the cost of millions to Barbados?


  43. David companies have to start at some point.

    Every company is as good or as bad as its employees.

    3S was comprised of highly qualified internationally experienced engineers.

    A company can be going for decades and still be totally incompetent.

    A look at Rayside and their inability to lay a road with out digging it up again ( and again) is plenty proof of that.


  44. ru4real and Dark Knight I am asking you a very simple question.

    Was there a publicly advertised request for proposals?
    Was there a publicly advertised tender?

    If the answer to either or both is yes tell us the paper and date of the advertisements.

    So simple yet you can’t bring yourself to answer yes or no. Why is that?


  45. It appears that the food importation bill for Barbados last year almost hit the 700 million figure. Trends point to the fact that Barbadians have adopted the behaviour that what is foreign is best.

    CBC TV televised a speech by the late Prime Minister Errol Barrow delivered many years ago when he lamented then that a Barbados and a Caribbean surrounded by water imported fish as the fact that our lands blessed with good weather can grow most crops, we continue to import.

    What will have to happen to show the folly of our ways?


  46. David, according to Collarand tie above
    there is an application in Town Planning to change 136 acres of agricultural land, representing 30% of Staple Grove Plantation, from agricultural to residential.

    Regarding the above there will be a Consultation at the Meeting Hall of St. David’s Anglican Church on Monday April 27, 2009 at 6:00pm.
    The meeting will allow for comment and discussion on the proposed plans for the subdivision of lands at St. David’s Village, Ch. Ch and Staple grove Ch. Ch. Into lots for residential purposes.

    Will be interesting to know how many people will show up.


  47. Nostra……..

    What makes me think you are a Bape member?
    One of the nit picking bunch of foolish virgins who have been silent as the tomb in the face of all the road chaos.

    If this is the case you dont need anyone to give you answers I am sure you will have the dates and papers off pat.

    Of course they will be filed away in the same place as the Traffic Study.

    Chris – did they ever get back to you?
    No I thought not .


  48. ru4real & Dark Knight, why won’t you get back to me on my question? Or are you part of the bunch of nit picking foolish virgins who remain silent as the tomb in the face of my very simple question?


  49. BOLT Arrangement, FOOL! See Transparency at Work. The DLP should take note:

    I am told that at a Meeting on December 2, 2004, the Cabinet considered Note (04) 1383/MPW 19 and ratified the decision of the Planning and Priorities Committee taken at its Meeting of November 19, 2004 and agreed to a number of things.

    Further, The Cabinet at its Meeting on March 3, 2005 considered Note (05)258 MPW02 and agreed, inter alia, to the –

    “recommendation of the Evaluation Committee that negotiations should be entered into with the first ranked firm, 3S Structural Steel Solutions LLC, leading to a signed memorandum of Understanding to allow for a contract to be entered into for the execution of the project.

    The process should be overseen by an inter-ministerial committee comprising Minister of Agriculture and rural development, Minister of Public Works, The Attorney General, Minister of Housing and the Environment, Minister of Tourism and international Transport and Minister of Industry and International Business.

    *The Ministry of Public Works signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the firm, 3S Structural Steel Solutions LLC, on September 5, 2005 which governs the arrangement between the parties until a formal Design/Build/Lease Contract is negotiated to the satisfaction of both parties including the requisite financing being secured.

    Under the Memorandum the firm is expected to execute the following projects under a build, own, lease and transfer arrangement…”

    Perhaps the joker who purports to be smart can explain the dynamics of a BOLT Arrangement to the BU family instead of misleading them. Please fool, stop the gossip.

    Perhaps the joker can also explain (if he/she is that versed) how a Paper gets to Cabinet; and what is PPC and how does it work.

    You hear DLP clowns talk about no contract as regards the ABC Highway but read the paragraph which I marked with the start (*)

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