The arrest of former premier of BVI Andrew Fahie in the USA last week on a narcotics charge has caused regional tongues to wag for several reasons. It is disappointing to have to witness an elected officials betray the public trust expected of them. It is more disturbing when the arrested person is Black (note Fahie is currently on bail in the USA awaiting his day in court. A reminder a man is innocent until declared guilty).
It boggles the mind tinpot politicians to satisfy one of the seven deadly sins never learn, in this case still having the courage to cross US borders. In the famous words of Carlos Suarez – you do the crime you do the time.
Fahie’s arrest and possible incarceration serves as a reminder to Barbadians what happened to former minister Donville Inniss currently serving a 24 month sentence in the USA for money laundering. Another public servant based on the court hearing who betrayed a public he swore to serve. Some will debate this matter within the boundary of the law to suggest Inniss was ‘unfaired’ by the ‘system’, however, there is a strong ethical case still for him to answer to answer.
The most intriguing observation about regional politicians landing in hot soup is the patience of USA authorities to wait for the ‘fly’ to fly into the spider’s web. Is this a case of USA authorities lacking confidence in extradition treaties with regional countries? The case of former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner comes to mind, he has been fighting an extradition request from the USA since 2015. Alex Tasker has been fighting an extradition request from the US also since 2021 in connection with the ICBL/Donville Inniss matter.
The recent case of a St. Vincent court rejecting a request from the US government to extradite Kern Z Mayers to answer charges dating to 2006 makes for interesting reading. Has the time come for CARICOM to take a regional approach to extradition requests? Our friend Caleb Pilgrim is asking.
See press report of the St. Vincent matter.
Vincentian court refuses US application to extradite national
Published:Saturday | May 7, 2022 | 5:12 PM CMC
File photo.
A court in St Vincent and the Grenadines has refused an application by the United States to extradite a Vincentian man, who is said to be among the most wanted in Pennsylvania.
“The court has considered carefully the arguments and submissions, examined all affidavits and other evidence, case law, statutory guidelines, and the court finds that given all the circumstances it would be unjust to return him,” said Chief Magistrate Rechanne Browne in a recent ruling.
The authorities in the United States wanted Kingstown to send Kern Z Mayers back to Pennsylvania to answer charges in relation to a January 4, 2006 incident in that state.
“Law enforcement attempted to initiate a traffic stop on a vehicle driven by Kern Mayers. In an attempt to flee from the police, Kern Mayers struck several vehicles and injured police officers. After a vehicle and foot pursuit, Kern Mayers was captured. Mayers was released from the Luzerne County Correctional Facility and then failed to attend his scheduled court hearing on January 25, 2006,” the website Pennsylvania Crime Stoppers said of the allegation against Mayers.
While in St Vincent, the police in Kingstown arrested Mayers at a business place in the city on December 10, 2020, a few years after he returned to St. Vincent and the Grenadines..
Lawyers Joseph Delves and Grant Connell represented him in the extradition hearing.
Connell also testified on Mayers’ behalf during the proceedings in which Rose-Ann Richardson appeared for the Crown.
In her ruling, the chief magistrate noted that the Crown had submitted that Mayers is a fugitive and should be returned to the United States to answer to the charges.
However, Delves submitted that not all the offences are relevant and that the Crown had not shown that the extradition is permitted under the Fugitive Offenders Act.
The chief magistrate pointed out that Mayers was arrested on the basis of being wanted in Pennsylvania, as he had not appeared at court on January 25, 2006 for the preliminary enquiry.
She noted that evidence was presented viva voce or orally, by affidavit and documentary evidence.
Browne further pointed out that the Fugitive Offenders Act and the extradition treaty between St Vincent and the Grenadines and the United States govern extradition between both countries.
The United States charged Mayers with two counts with each charge comprising several charges, including alleged possession of two grams of cocaine and injuries to a police officer.
Only some offences extraditable
The court held that some of the counts were extraditable while others were not.
The chief magistrate noted that the law says a person shall not be returned if: the court of committal is satisfied by reason of the trivial nature of the case; the accusation against the fugitive, having not been made in good faith; the passage of time since the committal of the offence; any sufficient cause as it would, having regard to all circumstances be unjust or oppressive or too severe a punishment to return the fugitive.
The Crown argued that the issue of statute of limitation did not apply as Mayers absconded and had no reasonably ascertainable place of abode or work within the Commonwealth.
It was further contended that the offences were committed on January 4, 2006, and he was immediately arrested and charged and soon thereafter failed to show up on January 25, 2006, for the hearing.
Despite the fact that five-year and two-year statutes of limitation exist, the limit is not applicable as the respondent absconded, the Crown further argued.
However, Mayers’ lawyers contended that the passage of time was critical and having regard to all circumstances, it would be unjust, oppressive and too severe a punishment to send him back to face trial in the United States.
They argued that the offences were allegedly committed in January 2006 and the extradition proceedings commenced in 2021.
The lawyers told the court that 15 years is an inordinately long period and the prosecution of the offences should have commenced in 2011 and not in 2017.
They said there was no evidence that Mayers was not continuously in the Commonwealth between 2006 and 2011.
They also contended that an address of New York was given in 2017.
The court also noted that all charges were dated 2017, adding that even though the affidavit by James McMonagle Jr, the assistant district attorney for Pennsylvania, said that the complaints were destroyed in 2015, “What is the nexus between these matters before the court?”
US authorities said that the indictments were accidentally destroyed while documents were being purged.
And while they said that the court keeps copies of the original documents those exhibited in the extradition proceeding were documents filed in 2017, even as Mayers was indicted in 2006.
Mayers’ lawyers argued that the document that should be exhibited are those from 2006 and, therefore, the matter was really brought against Mayers in 2017 — way past the statute of limitation.
They pointed out that the US government did not explain why it took so long and raised issues.
The lawyers also argued that Mayers would not receive a fair trial in the United States.
No wonder all of these are going in one direction.
Does the Caribbean have nobody in the USA to extradite here for trial. Especially White people who we love so much?
Or are rasssoul White people just like Yesus – washed in the blood of the lamb?
Not that Caribbean extradition proceedings mean much. We recall 25 years ago Ralph Thorne won an extradition case against the American empire for a Colombian suspected drug man.
Disrespecting that court ruling, the criminal Americans waited until he was on route out of Barbados and kidnapped him on the territory of another regional state. Forced him into a private plane heading to US territory.
This is the kind of fuckeries Bajans ,like the quintessential slaves, like Vincent Condrington, have no real problems with.
The thing about law, international law, it that it does not exist if it does not serve American interests.
It’s time to stop pleading and recognize this, slaves!
@Pacha
You are aware this matter of requests for persons to be extradited has little to do with colour.
What has me confused is the Diplomatic Immunity of the accused has been deemed as not recognised but third world nations are to bend over backwards to accommodate the extradition requests of the USA at their beck and call? Things that make you go hmmm!
@Brother John
The pragmatists walking among us are aware of how rights of individuals are administered depending if you are on the side of Big Brother or Little Brother. How is it different as it relates to invasion of privacy given the architecture of the Internet for example.
@David, your response to the blogger is interesting for what it does NOT say! Absent this arrest I would have paid no attention to BVI internal affairs and thus would have glossed over the investigation of deeply seated corruption and pay-to-play money movements alleged of the Premier Andrew Fahie.
Thus the reason his immunity may be of little significance could simply be that his government has decided to waive it and unceremoniously boot him to the curb!
Thus far it appears that he may be the leader of a very corrupt enterprise and perhaps the officials back home are using this ‘entrapment’ to rid them of his crimes (and ideally shield some of themselves) .
In short, less of Big Brother US vr sprat BVI and more of de brothers at home getting rid of their troublesome big brother from he family home!
@Dee Word
Yes and there is a bigger issue. The centralization of power/management of BVI by its colonial master.
David
If race is not a problem then tell us how many White people have been extradited from Western countries to countries of the Global South.
@Pacha
Your man Edward is a biggie?
not for nothing, but the BVI dude operated OUTSIDE of what consitutes immunity…
There goes Pachalacha again,trying to live up to his name. Donna, another one is headed your way. Would you please deal with him in your most effective manner.
@ Pachamama
I see no problem where justice is being dispensed appropriately. Or do you have problems understanding the intricate legal arguments and differences in crime context.? Donna has a special place in the country for you.
Moise murder accused appears in Miami court
https://www.nationnews.com/2022/05/10/moise-murder-accused-appears-miami-court/
He is not an American citizen
For years Cuba has been trying to.get the terrorist of the Cuban.air extradite back
America dont extradite their citizens to foreign countries why shop we extradite ours to America
The courts in St Vincent are not like Barbados ones
St Vincent is a soveign state we available to the highest buyer
@ David
Are Prime Ministers and Ministers of Government entitled to ‘diplomatic immunity?’
Can the holder of a ‘diplomatic passport’ use it for personal travel?
@Artax
Cannot comment with certainty, aren’t there conditions around how immunity can be invoked?
This writer has lived, worked, done business in so many justice traditions than can be recalled. In fact, currently under one now different in every respect than the only one you know.
That kind of obfuscation sound civil “unservice”
Is it a lie or considered opinion of you. This writer has never be known to lie.
“Cannot comment with certainty m, aren’t there conditions around how immunity can be invoked”
A leader of USA cannot be extradited for any reason and has full immunity of all crimes and can grant pardons to whoever he/she wants.
Junior Delgado Hanging tree & dub
maryclyne May 10, 2022 11:35 AM #: “The courts in St Vincent are not like Barbados ones
St Vincent is a soveign state we available to the highest buyer…”
@ maryclyne
I’m curious as to why you made such comments, when the evidence suggests otherwise.
Could you provide BU with a list of Barbadians who, over the past 20 years, were extradited to the USA after having extradition cases filed against them by the US DOJ?
I remember the criticisms Barbados received from US politicians after ‘government’ refused to sign the ‘Shiprider Agreement’ on its then form.
I also recall years ago, an extradition case was filed against businessman, Ibrahim Noumeh for his alleged involvement in counterfeit US currency and passports.
After a long drawn out case, Noumeh was eventually arrested by Trinidad police after he
traveled to that island to attend a friend’s funeral.
He spent approximately 2 years there fighting the extradition case, which he subsequently won.
I’m sure you’re aware when, in 2004, Frederick Hawksworth, Sean Gaskin and John Scantlebury were indicted by a Washington DC grand dury for conspiracy to traffic cocaine. Their extradition trial went on for over 9 years. In December 2013, the US government moved to dismiss charges against the men, which the Court granted in January 2014.
These are just two examples.
“A leader of USA cannot be extradited for any reason and has full immunity of all crimes and can grant pardons to whoever he/she wants.”
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The question was pertaining to Prime Ministers and Cabinet Ministers……..
……….. NOT the President of the United States.
“May 5 (Reuters) – The House of Assembly of the British Virgin Islands on Thursday approved a vote of no-confidence against Premier Andrew Fahie following his arrest in Miami last week on drug charges.”
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Fahie was arrested on 29th April and by 5th May the HOA had passed a vote of no confidence in him.
How would he have any rights after May 5 to Diplomatic Immunity?
“Fahie was arrested on 29th April and by 5th May the HOA had passed a vote of no confidence in him.”
“How would he have any rights after May 5 to Diplomatic Immunity?”
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The question you should’ve ask is, if he had “any rights to Diplomatic Immunity” WHEN he was arrested on April 29.
Judge answered that!!!
Check and see!!
“The arrest shocked the British Virgin Islands, where Fahie is already facing allegations of widespread corruption.”
Telling the Court in Miami he is immune was a bad idea.
He was immediately removed by the HOA.
Court was not going to waste any time on a claim that was going to vaporise!!
When they held Donville, how many folks in Barbados were surprised?
If they hold any of our “leaders” in the US no one here will be at all surprised.
Hopefully the HOA will promptly remove any claim the apprehended individual may have to immunity.
This was one argument regarding no immunity, but there was another one, where because of his bragging about “not his first rodeo” canceled out any immunity he may have had..
“Prosecution filing
However, US attorney Juan Antonio Gonzalez is arguing the Mr. Fahie is not entitled to head of state or government immunity because the territory is not a sovereign state in the eyes of the US government.
“Accordingly, the defendant does not and cannot enjoy immunity as a head of state or government,” Mr. Gonzalez wrote in a Tuesday filing. “Nor does the defendant’s ‘notice’ do anything to establish an entitlement to immunity for the defendant. In fact, that ‘notice’ has no legal effect at all.”
then there was this:
“The filing also includes an April 23 “protocol request” relating to Mr. Fahie’s “official travel to Miami,” and a 2002 judgment from the International Criminal Court about an arrest warrant involving an official from the Republic of the Congo.”
and this:
“He also argued in the Wednesday motion for pre-trial detention that the US Bail Reform Act empowers federal courts to order a defendant’s detention pending trial “if the court determines that the defendant is either a danger to the community or a risk of flight.”
Mr. Gonzalez stated that Mr. Fahie should be detained based on his alleged violation of the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act.
“Through the course of this conspiracy, it has become clear that Fahie is engaged in corruption and criminal activity at the highest levels,” Mr. Gonzalez wrote. “He has accepted bribes, he has agreed to pay bribes, he has conspired to import thousands of kilograms of a dangerous controlled substance, he has admitted to working with known drug dealers in the BVI, and he has expressed a willingness to inquire about the acquisition of firearms from a Senegalese contact – on behalf of the Sinaloa Cartel.”
and this:
“When the source warned Mr. Fahie not to discuss drug business over the phone, the premier allegedly responded by touting his experience in such dealings, according to the motion.
“He told the [confidential source] that when people provided him with large amounts of cash, and that cash came wrapped in bank wrappers, he would always remove, tear up, and discard the wrappers because the banks could trace the currency based on the stamps or codes on the wrappers,” the document states. “Impressed by Fahie’s criminal acumen, the CS asked, ‘So this is not your first rodeo right, I can tell … .’ Fahie responded, ‘“Oh no no no, not my first rodeo at all. Not my first rodeo at all.”
Serious chargesm he is sure to give up a BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE:
“Mr. Fahie and Ms. Maynard, along with her son Kadeem Maynard, are charged with conspiracy to import five kilograms or more of cocaine and conspiracy to launder money.
The defendants face a 10-year minimum sentence if convicted on the drug trafficking conspiracy, and estimated sentencing guidelines range from about 19 to 24 years, according to the prosecution’s filing. For money laundering conspiracy, they could face sentencing guidelines ranging from 24 years to life, depending on “the applicability of certain sentencing enhancements,” the filing states.”
Diplomatic immunity only matters if the BVI and UK doesn’t throw Andrew Fahie to the wolves and I suspect UK has the ultimate say since BVI is not independent.
If the BVI/UK thinks it was a clear case of entrapment by US law enforcement or if other influential people are likely to be named if he talks, they are likely to push for his release on diplomatic grounds, otherwise his immunity will be revoked and he will be left to hang out and dry.
Diplomatic Immunity only matters if the person’s country is willing to start an international incident if it is not honored.
Am sure a gaggle of lawyers are now on retainer for the fallout from all of this..
If “the judge answered,” then WHY ask,
“How would he have any rights after May 5 to Diplomatic Immunity?”……
……. when no one offered an opinion as to whether or not Fahie was entitled to Diplomatic Immunity?
I’m wondering how the discussion has gone into focusing on diplomatic immunity?
“The question was pertaining to Prime Ministers and Cabinet Ministers.. NOT the President of the United States.”
Don’t get your knickers twisted love
I was referring to the hypocrisy of yanks
US government wants to be biggest gangster cartel
At this rate….all the cartels will more than likely be given up, right along with EVERY PLAYER….diplomatic immunity or no……and we done know how that one could go…lol
when they weigh life in prison with all the other ….YA SCREWED either way…….lawd…
“At this rate….all the cartels will more than likely be given up, right along with EVERY PLAYER….diplomatic immunity or no”
people who rat on cartels are dealt with
strong messages need to be given out
someone will ordered to do a hit
and they cannot refuse a request
The only name calling he doing is on his fellow MPs if any involved so the US can later do a Donville.
I doubt very much he is the Kingpin so he can’t name anybody of importance or his entire family dead, dogs and cats included.
CAN’T WAIT TO SEE ALEX TASKER FORMER DIGICEL GOVERNMENT AND LATER INSURANCE COMPANY BRIBER AND KICKBACK ARTIST HAVING A FREE FLIGHT TO THE USA ALONG WITH FREE ROOM AND BOARD ALL PAID FOR BY THE AMERICAN TAX PAYERS.
LET ALEX TASKER ALSO KNOW WE HAVE FREE CLOTHES WAITING FOR HIM IN THE USA OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS ALONG WITH “BUBBA” TO KEEP HIM WARM AT NIGHT UNDER THE “SHEETS”.
PachamamaMay 10, 2022 6:40 AM
No wonder all of these are going in one direction.
Does the Caribbean have nobody in the USA to extradite here for trial. Especially White people who we love so much?
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Two lawyers from Cottle Catford ran to the US.
Michael Simmons and Allan St. Clair Watson …. but both are/were black.
Watson actually had an arrest warrant issued here by the court in 2015 of thereabouts but died soon after.
Simmons was from the the early 1990’s or late 1980’s.
He comes back now and again and no one seems to raise any issues.
https://www.nationnews.com/2011/05/22/simmons-back-after-18-years/
Jullian Assange has never committed a crime on US territory.
As a publisher of Western secrets he’s being persecuted by criminals in Washington and Whitehall.
Barbados, acting under its obligations under international law must seek the extradition of Tony Blair and George Bush for the highest crimes known to man – war crimes, as revealed by Assange.😅
St Kitts: PM fires ministers; Parliament dissolved
https://www.nationnews.com/2022/05/10/st-kitts-pm-fires-ministers-parliament-dissolved/
AGREED ASSANGE AND SNOWDEN AMERICAN CITIZEN EXILED IN RUSSIA SHOULD BE SPARED AS THEY BOTH EXPOSED WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.
WE CAN REPLACE THEM BOTH WITH ALEX TASKER ON THE 2X3 ISLAND
Ding!
must be time for some gangsta rap lyrics
Killer Mike – Untitled (feat. Scar)
ou are witnessing elegance in the form of a black elephant Smoking white rhino on terraces Will I die slain like my king by a terrorist? Will my woman be Coretta, take my name and cherish it? Or will she Jackie O, drop the Kennedy, remarry it? My sister say it’s necessary on some Cleopatra shit My grand mama said nope, never, that it’s sacrilege Tend to agree because the thought is so disparaging The Lord give a load, you got to carry it like Mary did That’s why I’m giving honor to all these baby mommas It takes a woman’s womb to make a Christ or Dalai Lama The world might take that child, turn that child into a monster The Lord’ll take a monster and fashion him a saint I present you Malcolm X for those who saying that he can’t Saying that he won’t, when I know he will You usually don’t know it’s you until you getting killed For real Dear Lord, have mercy On the ones that go through life Like it’s a game we love I won’t be forced to shut up when I don’t feel the same Cause people gonna lie Some people gonna steal You gotta be careful not to shit where you live Them people might try to have you killed Lord have mercy, life is such a battlefield For real I ain’t never gave a fuck I never did and never will Live my life on press appeal Keep it true, keep it real Better said, I keep it trill And no matter who don’t like it, homie That’s just how it is Naked truth like the stripper that’s in front of me And I keep a blunt and a Bible and a gun on me Why? Cause I’m country-bred Actually, I’m south-er-ern Something like my brethren The legendary Andre 3K, Cee Lo, Goodie, and some other men You should pay some homage, it’s an honor this This is not a fiction that is sold by conglomerates This is Soul of Black Folks mixed with Donald Goines shit Better said, Robert Beck, esoteric I could get This is John Gotti painting pictures like Dali This is Basquiat with a passion like Pac In a body like Biggie, telling stories like Ricky If a rapper was to spar, please tell him better kick it You with me? Dear Lord, have mercy On the ones that go through life Like it’s a game we love I won’t be forced to shut up when I don’t feel the same Cause people gonna lie Some people gonna steal You gotta be careful not to shit where you live Them people might try to have you killed Lord have mercy, life is such a battlefield For real I don’t trust the church or the government Democrat, Republican Pope or a bishop or them other men And I believe God has sustained you with rap So I pick a burning bush, put it in a Swisher wrap And they can’t kill a G, I seen how I die I’m only going once, a coward dies a thousand times And to that chariot come and take a nigga home I’ma spit this ghetto gospel over all these gutter songs I’m gone
PachamamaMay 10, 2022 5:20 PM
Jullian Assange has never committed a crime on US territory.
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You mean he has never been convicted of a crime on US territory …. big difference!!
… and that of course is because he has never been tried!!
Sweden issued an arrest international warrant for sexual crimes he committed and then he ran and took refuge in the Ecuadoran Embassy.
“On 4 January 2021, UK District Judge Vanessa Baraitser ruled against the United States’ request to extradite Assange and stated that doing so would be “oppressive” given concerns over Assange’s mental health and risk of suicide.[20] On 6 January 2021, Assange was denied bail, pending an appeal by the United States.[21] On 10 December 2021, the High Court in London ruled that Assange could be extradited to the US to face the charges.[22] In March 2022, the UK Supreme Court refused Assange permission to appeal.[23]
Assange has been confined in Belmarsh maximum-security prison in London since April 2019.[24]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange
Donville Inniss was arrested and prosecuted in the US on money laundering charges only after his diplomatic immunity was no longer available to him subsequent to him not being reelected as a sitting government official of Barbados. He also held US status and was easy pickings at such time once he entered any of their jurisdictions. The US authorities waited patiently until after his Diplomatic Immunity was no longer available to him until his next state visit. Michael Lashley on the other hand was able to slip the grasp and come home under similar circumstances of money laundering suspicions while still a sitting Minister of the Government of Barbados due to my recollection.
@Artax May 10, 2022 12:52 PM “Are Prime Ministers and Ministers of Government entitled to ‘diplomatic immunity?
My response: Diplomatic Immunity is not an entitlement. Diplomatic immunity is granted, and it can be withdrawn {waived] by the same government which granted it. Is BVI responsible for its own foreign affairs? Or is the UK responsible for BVI’s foreign affairs? Who withdrew [waived] Mr. Fahie’s diplomatic imunity? His own government” or the government of the UK?
@Artax May 10, 2022 12:52 PM “Can the holder of a ‘diplomatic passport’ use it for personal travel?”
Yes. As long as the holder still holds his or her official position. But holder’s of diplomatic passports should be aware that their diplomatic immunity can be withdrawn [waived] at any time. And they should also be aware that the government which granted them the diplomatic passport is unlikely to inform them that there is a plan to withdraw the diplomatic immunity.
So holders of diplomatic passports should not think of it as a “get out of jail free” document. Holders of diplomatic passports should like Ceasar’s wife be beyond reproach.
Because “yes indeedy” your government can drag the mat out from under your feet at any time.
Be warned.
@Artax May 10, 2022 1:34 PM “I’m sure you’re aware when, in 2004, Frederick Hawksworth, Sean Gaskin and John Scantlebury were indicted by a Washington DC grand dury for conspiracy to traffic cocaine. Their extradition trial went on for over 9 years. In December 2013, the US government moved to dismiss charges against the men, which the Court granted in January 2014.”
Mr Hawkesworth’s body was found in a field at Bakers, St. Peter shortly thereafter.
Who dunnit?
https://caribbean.loopnews.com/content/inside-probe-led-arrest-bvi-premier-ports-authority-boss
What surprised me most in the loop article is that apparently prayers were said before the meeting, and it has me here thinking why bring Jesus into it? Surely none of us want the USA authorities to arrest JC.
And the alleged $86,000 that was to go to the alleged Senagalese obeah man.
Stupssseee!!!!
And I spent years studying when I could have become an obeah election fixing operative at $86,000 USD a pop.
Sometimes our parents don’t give us good advice as to which professions are lucrative.
I blame my old people for that.
Cuhdear Bajan May 11, 2022 8:50 PM #:
RE: “Mr Hawkesworth’s body was found in a field at Bakers, St. Peter shortly thereafter.”
I believe it was sometime during 2016.
RE: “Who dunnit?”
Perhaps you should’ve posted that question on Barbados Police Service website, attention: Police Relations Officer, Rodney Inniss, Inspector of Police (Ag).
“Yes. As long as the holder still holds his or her office to Barbados.
@ Cuhdear Bajan
Are you sure?
I’ve seen information that suggests otherwise.
@ Cuhdear Bajan
RE: “My response: Diplomatic Immunity is not an entitlement. Diplomatic immunity is granted, and it can be withdrawn {waived] by the same government which granted it.”
I asked:
“Are Prime Ministers and Ministers of Government entitled to ‘diplomatic immunity?”
Whether or not “Diplomatic Immunity is an entitlement or is granted DOES NOT answer my question.
RE: Is BVI responsible for its own foreign affairs? Or is the UK responsible for BVI’s foreign affairs? Who withdrew [waived] Mr. Fahie’s diplomatic imunity? His own government” or the government of the UK?”
Please explain how BVI or the UK government could ‘grant’ Fahie Diplomatic Immunity in the USA?
Wouldn’t the USA be responsible for ‘granting’ or ‘withdrawing’ immunity?
@Artax
There is a convention governing diplomatic relations between countries. Interesting what it says about misconduct of holders.
https://www.government.nl/topics/embassies-consulates-and-other-representations/diplomatic-immunity
Cuddear….let’s pray….🤣🤣🤣
@ David
I’ve read information about diplomatic immunity and passports.
Hosting country provides diplomatic immunity:
“The SENDING state DOES NOT provide immunity. Infact to assign a diplomat, a prior permission is required from receiving state/country to assign a diplomat. The RECEIVING STATE PROVIDES immunity NOT sending state.”
Perhaps we should PRAY for those persons who parade as though they have common sense, when in actuality they don’t.
@Artax
The blogmaster is aware the matter would have been well researched by you before entering the discussion.
@Artax May 11, 2022 10:53 PM “Please explain how BVI or the UK government could ‘grant’ Fahie Diplomatic Immunity in the USA?”
My response: The sending country requests immunity. The receiving country says “yes” or “no”
@Artax May 11, 2022 10:53 PM “Wouldn’t the USA be responsible for ‘granting’ or ‘withdrawing’ immunity?”
My response:
NO.
Only the sending country can WAIVE the immunity of its own diplomats. The USA or any country can expel foreign diplomats if it is believed that they have engaged in undiplomatic behavior but cannot withdraw diplomatic immunity from foreign diplomats. But if a foreign diplomat is asked to leave the USA or any other country, then.he or she MUST leave.
@David May 12, 2022 10:43 AM “Artax the blogmaster is aware the matter would have been well researched by you before entering the discussion.”
So what am I David, chopped liver incapable of doing careful research?
The USA can only withdraw diplomatic status from its own diplomats. The USA can also waive the diplomatic status of its diplomats in a foreign country, but almost never does so, as to do so would permit a foreign country to civilly or criminally charge/try a USA diplomat and the USA does not want any other country to have that power over its high ranking officials. If a USA diplomat engages in “naughty” behavior, the USA will RECALL that diplomat, often so quietly that only the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is aware. Foreign countries can also expel USA diplomats, but typically only powerful countries do this.
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=IND&mtdsg_no=III-3&chapter=3&clang=_en
Vienna Convention on diplomatic relations
Indicted! Ex-BVI Premier facing life in prison, assets could be seized | Loop Barbados
http://barbados.loopnews.com/content/indicted-ex-bvi-premier-facing-life-prison-assets-could-be-seized-3
You should always do whatever you can for your fucking Government as they will always look after you selflessly.
Hugo Chavez’s ex-nurse-turned treasurer extradited to US | Loop Barbados
http://barbados.loopnews.com/content/hugo-chavezs-ex-nurse-turned-treasurer-extradited-us-3
Cuhdear Bajan May 12, 2022 5:39 PM
It seems as though you enjoy being difficult.
I asked you:
(1): “Please explain how BVI or the UK government could ‘grant’ Fahie Diplomatic Immunity in the USA?”
YOUR RESPONSE:
“The sending country REQUESTS immunity. The receiving country says “YES ” or “NO”…”
(2): “Wouldn’t the USA be responsible for ‘GRANTING’ or ‘WITHDRAWING’ immunity?”
YOUR RESPONSE:
“NO.” Only the SENDING country can WAIVE the immunity of its own diplomats.”
I refer you to YOUR RESPONSE to my first question.
You have essentially CONTRADICTED yourself.
How could the sending country ‘waive’ something for which it had to seek permission from the host to be granted?
If you ‘said’ the SENDING country REVOKED the APPOINTMENT of its diplomatic, then, we could discuss further.
Looks like the net is closing on the Caricom HOGS.
https://rijock.blogspot.com/2022/05/fahies-extensive-caribbean-travel.html
https://rijock.blogspot.com/2017/03/unable-to-deposit-economic-passport.html
Not only the CARICOM HOGS.
The Mother Country looking bad too.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/02/owgy-m02.html
How
Corruption
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Inspector Jay from Dehli
Former BVI premier signs extradition waiver
https://www.nationnews.com/2022/06/18/former-bvi-premier-signs-extradition-waiver/
Where should i put this
https://barbadostoday.bb/2022/10/21/respect-due/
From BT
“The buildings down there will be going to other people, they will not be going to us and, of course, we are not happy. We are most distressed and disappointed once again that the magistracy has been treated with total and utter disregard because once again we cannot get the kind of facilities befitting of our status.
“We must always be given a last resort kind of facility. Here it is we were to be upgraded and given facilities befitting of our status . . . and now they are going to find room for others to enjoy our space. So, we are not happy at all about that. So I am shouting from the mountain tops that once again the magistracy has been disrespected. I call it institutionalised disrespect,” Weekes declared.
He needs to get off of his status and distribute justice.
Privy Council rules to extradite Jack Warner.
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/ex-fifa-vice-president-warner-loses-appeal-against-extradition-trinidad-2022-11-17/
@David, unfortunately for Warner this judgment is perfectly timed for renewed public interest with the Qatar world cup about to start !
However, at this 80 year mark of his life one wonders if his lawyers will likely work a suitable plea deal and save him further issues in court … or maybe his health will markedly deteriorate and further give him respite to remain in T&T!
But as one revisits this scandal and reads that he is alleged to have received $5 million for his alleged corrupt actions … all I can say is WOW! That goes a long way in the land of the ‘Humming Bird’.
Hope he enjoyed it … possible jail at his age is no picnic!
@Dee Word
That is the question, he has spent the last 12 years racking up legal fees and having to manage disruption to his peace of mind. If memory serves his children were also implicated.
Well @David, that’s the *itch of illegal activity: you surely need to enjoy the spoils while you can!
To your point I can’t perceive he spent more than 60% in legal fees so he had more than enough to live large in TnT. Consider also1
he was a FIFA executive since the days as a boy I fanatically climbed up the stadium wall watching “Gas’ and Co until I then moved on up to sitting pretty 😎 in de stands to enjoy my soccer.
He has been allegedly dippsie-doodling for a looonng time, in short!
@Hants u not serious right 😎 … based on your vintage u went Kolig wid a national soccer playing older bro of mine and HE would regale me with tales of regional soccer ‘business’ as things evolved … so ABSOLUTELY they are allegations that Warner was the regional chieftain for the ‘griftwood’ that floated across and between the islands from the bigger griters in Europe!
No maguffy like him works alone, that’s fah sure!
Same thing with a certain long gone Bajan big shot exec on the Olympic committee … it’s life!
Did anyone or any organisation in the Caribbean benefit from Warner’s collection of funds ?
His travel agency?
Did anyone or any organisation in the Caribbean benefit from Warner’s collection of funds ?
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His travel agency
….and a wide collection of ‘enablers’ across the region, who made it a point to ‘persist’ in sport administration even when their SPORTS results. were dismal. But who enjoyed the $$US cash that flowed like milk and honey…
They must now be sleeping lightly in fear that Jack will become ‘loose lips Jack’ under the strain of the US judicial blackmail called ‘plea bargaining…’
What a ting nut!!
Is Jack Warner still an MP in T&T? Trinidadian politicians have long been known for a little bobol . Caribbean countries must be the laughingstock of the world, imagine establishing a Caribbean Court of Justice to be the final Court of Appeal for their territories, headquartering it in Trinidad and Republic Trinidad refusing to recognize it and going to the Privy Council in England to obtain a final decision on legal proceedings.
That’s right they don’t need the Queen, but they need London’s Privy Council and BTW Trinidadian jurists sit on the CCJ, yuh can’t make this shit up. The participating countries should relocate the HQ of the CCJ to another island that respects the judicial competence of legal professionals from the Caribbean but none of them have the cojones to stand up to Trinidad.