SWEET SUNDAY SERMON – THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES

This week’s SWEET SUNDAY SERMON is entitled “THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES” by Dr. GP
While reading the Gospels, we  often  encounter passages which puzzle us. One such passage concerns a statement made by Jesus in response to questions on the part of his disciples in the Olivet Discourse concerning the destruction of the Jewish Temple and the end of the age (Luke 21:5-7). The Lord Jesus, in Luke 21:22-24 prophesied that “Jerusalem would be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
•For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
•Many today are asking “Have we seen the actual accomplishment of that prediction?” 
•Does the takeover of the old city and the temple site in Jerusalem mean that the times of the Gentiles have indeed been fulfilled? 
•I would like to discuss that question today because I know many are asking it and I have been asking it myself and I found it necessary to do some intensive searching of the Scriptures in attempting to answer that most fascinating question. 
•Most understand Jesus’ words here in Luke as predicting the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 A.D. at the hands of Rome. As part of his answer, Jesus’ mentions the phrase, “the times of the Gentiles,” in association with the idea of the trampling of Jerusalem and the dispersion of Jews into all nations.
•Many questions spring to our minds: What makes these times particularly Gentile in nature? What does it mean for Jerusalem to be trampled? Does this time period begin at the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome as the passage seems to imply? If the times are to be fulfilled, what brings about the fulfillment? Why doesn’t Jesus elaborate further about what He meant?
•Let us try to answer the last of the above questions: Why doesn’t Jesus elaborate further about what He meant?, holds the key to unlocking the meaning of the passage.
•One reason that Jesus doesn’t provide additional explanation is simply this: much of what Jesus says in the Gospels is anchored by revelation previously given in the Old Testament.
•Where Jesus is teaching concepts which find their origin in the Old Testament, He expects His listeners to be familiar with the basis of His teachings (Mat. 21:2422:29; Mark 12:24; Luke 24:27; John 5:39). And so it is with this passage and its parallel passages in Matthew and Mark. In fact, both Matthew and Mark make mention of additional information provided by Jesus in the context of this same teaching which establish part of the Old Testament context for understanding all three passages in the synoptics:
•“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” (Mat. 24:15-16 cf. Mark 13:14).
•Without launching  into the details of the above statement let us note one very important point: It is clear  that Jesus is underscoring the importance of Old Testament revelation given in relation to the book of Daniel for understanding much of what He has to say in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21
•Thus, it is reasonable for us to expect we might gain a greater understanding of the mysterious phrase “times of the Gentiles” by considering the events of the book of Daniel—and especially the situation which led to Daniel’s captivity in Babylon and the fall of Israel to Nebuchadnezzar during the dominion of the Neo-Babylonian empire.
•When we do this, we find that the key to understanding the times of the Gentiles is found in promises and expectations which God established for the Davidic throne which was to rule righteously on earth in the midst of the nations. This mysterious time, which Jesus mentions in Luke, relates to a period of judgment concerning occupation of the Davidic throne which began in the days of Daniel, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and Nebuchadnezzar hundreds of years before Jesus was born. 
The Significance of the Fall of Judah to the   Davidic Throne. The final king to reign over Jerusalem prior to its destruction by Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon was Zedekiah, who reigned for 11 years as a vassal king subject to Babylon. Like all the kings following Josiah’s reign, he was evil. When a new Egyptian Pharaoh (Hophra) came to the throne in 588 B.C., Zedekiah took the occasion to rebel against Babylon. Nebuchadnezzar responded by the siege which led to the final downfall of Jerusalem, the destruction of the city and temple, and the deportation of the majority who were left. The siege began in the 9th year, 10th month, and 10th day of Zedekiah’s reign and lasted 18 months. The wall of Jerusalem being penetrated in the 11th year on the 4th month, on the 9th day of the month.2 In fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecies that Zedekiah would be taken to Babylon but never see it, his sons were killed before him, his eyes were put out, and he was taken to Babylon where he died (Jer. 39:6-752:9-11; 2K. 25:6-7 cf. Eze. 12:1317:16). After capturing Jerusalem, the Babylonians burned the leader’s houses and the temple and broke down the city walls.
•It is an immensely significant event whenever the temple is destroyed because the temple is “God’s house” where the manifestation of his glory resides. It would be impossible to destroy the temple if it were not for the fact that God was “not home.” Because of Israel’s idolatry, Ezekiel records that God’s glory had previously vacated the temple. To the Gentile enemies of Israel, the destruction of the city and temple would make it appear as if the God of Israel were impotent in the face of the superior Gods of the Gentiles, “When they leveled Yahweh’s temple to the ground and burned its ruins, the Babylonian troops served notice to all the world that their gods were mightier than Yahweh, no matter what titles the Hebrews gave him.” Thus, one of the Themes of the Book of Daniel is to show that Israel’s God is sovereignly in control over all history, be it Jewish or Gentile. He only allowed this shocking event to occur because of the serious and persistent sin of Israel.
•From the perspective of the Jews, the unthinkable had happened, “Some, in a sense of superstition, and others, in a sense of belief in the providence of God, had held that such a calamity as the overthrow of God’s city and God’s Temple could never take place. Now the unexpected had happened.”6 In the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar, it seemed as if the kingdom of Israel had come to a close. After beginning with the struggles of Saul and David and reaching its apex under David’s son Solomon, the divided kingdom had initiated a protracted period of decline culminating in the fall of both the northern kingdom of Israel (after 200 years) and the southern kingdom of Judah (after over 300 years). Most significantly, no longer could anyone point to a throne in Jerusalem from which a Davidic king ruled. Jeremiah’s words to Jehoiachin had come to pass, “Say to the king and to the queen mother, ‘Humble yourselves; Sit down, For your rule shall collapse, the crown of your glory.’ ” (Jeremiah 13:18). 
Davidic Rule Judged
•  God was duty bound by His own Word to Solomon to discipline any Davidic son who’s rule abused the throne (2Chr. 7:17-22). An important passage in the prophet Ezekiel predicted God’s judgment against the ruling scepter of David (Eze. 21:10-27) from which several key verses appear below:
•Son of man, prophesy and say, ‘Thus says the LORD!’ Say: ‘A sword, a sword is sharpened And also polished! Sharpened to make a dreadful slaughter, Polished to flash like lightning! Should we then make mirth? It despises the scepter (שֵׁבֶט [šēḇeṭ]) of My son, As it does all wood. (Ezekiel 21:9-10).
•‘Because it is a testing, And what if the sword despises even the scepter? The scepter shall be no more,’ says the Lord God. (Ezekiel 21:13).
•Now to you, O profane, wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose iniquity shall end, ‘thus says the Lord GOD: “Remove the turban, and take off the crown; Nothing shall remain the same. Exalt the humble, and humble the exalted. Overthrown, overthrown, I will make it overthrown! It shall be no longer, Until He comes whose right it is, And I will give it to Him.”’ (Ezekiel 21:25-27).
•The passage concerns God’s sword of judgment which is poised to strike. This sword of judgment despises the scepter of My son. The passage calls the ruler of Israel at that time, Zedekiah, profane and wicked and teaches that the Davidic rule, whose righteous scepter he was supposed to uphold (Jer. 22:3), would be terminated, “It shall be no longer, until He comes whose right it is, and I will give it to Him.” This is a clear reference to the promised ruler in the line of Judah as predicted in Genesis 49:10.
•The scepter ( [šēḇeṭ]) shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.
•Rabbinic interpretation associated the title “Shiloh” with the Messiah: a Midrash takes “Shiloh” to refer to “King Messiah” (Genesis R. 98.13), the Babylonian Talmud lists “Shi’loh” as one of the names of the Messiah (Sanhedrin 98b), and Medieval Jewish Biblical expositor Rashi makes the following comment: “Shiloh – i.e. King Messiah whose is the Kingdom.” The term “Shiloh” denotes, “to whom it belongs/pertains.”9.
•Ezekiel is telling us that in the judgment of the Davidic throne, Zedekiah will be the last ruler to sit on the Davidic throne until it is occupied by Messiah. This same message concerning judgment of the ruling scepter occurs in another of Ezekiel’s warnings given to Zedekiah (Eze. 19:4-14), which concludes:
•‘Your mother was like a vine in your bloodline, Planted by the waters, Fruitful and full of branches Because of many waters. She had strong branches for scepters of rulers. She towered in stature above the thick branches, And was seen in her height amid the dense foliage. But she was plucked up in fury, She was cast down to the ground, And the east wind dried her fruit. Her strong branches were broken and withered; The fire consumed them. And now she is planted in the wilderness, In a dry and thirsty land. Fire has come out from a rod of her branches And devoured her fruit, So that she has no strong branch-a scepter for ruling.’ This is a lamentation, and has become a lamentation. (Ezekiel 19:10-14) [emphasis added].
•Judgment of the Davidic throne is also the subject in Psalm 89 where very strong promises to uphold the throne are followed by a passage speaking of the throne being cast to the ground (Ps. 89:44ff).
•This is a most important point to understand when considering the implications of the prophetic dreams and visions which are the subject of the book of Daniel because the sequence of Gentile kingdoms which are predicted therein begin with Babylon (Dan. 2:32387:4) and continue until the reign of Messiah (Dan. 2:44-45; Dan. 7:142227).
•From the fall of Zedekiah to the enthronement of Messiah is a time which is characterized by Gentile dominion and especially by the lack of a Davidic ruler in Israel seated on the throne of David.
•This is the period which Jesus referred to as the “Times of the Gentiles” which will not come to an end until the second coming of Christ:“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. ” (Luke 21:24).
• During this period when the throne of David is unoccupied, the glory of God is also absent from His “house,” the temple.
Gentile Influence over Jerusalem
• In the meantime, the Times of the Gentiles must be viewed as a temporary situation during which the ruling authority which was to be invested in the midst of Israel has been transferred into Gentile hands. This can be seen in the predicted termination of Gentile rule at the initiation of God’s kingdom at the end of the age.
•Moreover, the question, “What became of the promise concerning the Davidic throne?” is answered in the restoration of the throne yet future:
•This is a promise that the Davidic covenant has not been annulled. The kingship that was taken away from Jehoiachin (Jer. 22:24-30) will be restored “in that day” (Hag. 2:23), i.e., at the return of Christ when the times of the Gentiles are brought to a close (cf. Ps. 2:7-989:19-29; Luke 1:32-33).
•the times of the Gentiles begins when the Davidic throne was empty, which would begin in 586 B.C. . . . [and] goes all the way up until the throne of David is reoccupied by a Davidic descendant, which would be the Second Advent, not the rapture. So the times of the Gentiles began in 586 B.C. when the throne was empty, we’re still in the times of the Gentiles, [to be] continued after the rapture, [and through] the tribulation period, because there is no . . . Davidic descendant on the throne in the tribulation period, not until the Second Advent will the times of the Gentiles end.
•Hosea’s prophecy, found in the third chapter of his remarkable book, has had its fulfilment. Israel still abides without a king, without a prince, without a priest, and so shall it abide until Messiah Himself appears the second time to take His great power and reign.
•During this period, God continues to set up, depose, and turn the hearts of kings—as He always has. But the period is characterized by no direct or immediate government by God upon the earth. This temporary shift in God’s concerns away from the theocracy and Davidic throne toward Gentile rule can be seen in the fact that the first and most comprehensive prophecy in the book of Daniel is neither given to Israel nor concerns Israel, but reveals matters of Gentile concerns to a Gentile king.
•This is much like the Day of Pentecost when God used the tongues of foreign nations to proclaim His glory while purposefully avoiding the native tongue of the Jews of Jerusalem (Acts 2:5-13). The unthinkable had happened: the Holy One of Israel was shifting His emphasis away from Israel and toward Gentile concerns. This could only be cause for great alarm among any Jew who understood the subtleties of what was transpiring. Moreover, the dispersion of Israel into the Babylonian Captivity was essentially the reverse of the Exodus. Israel had been birthed out of captivity in Egypt to serve God in the wilderness. Now, she was being given up, back into bondage in captivity at the hand of the new regional superpower, Babylon.
•after the Exodus all the nations in that part of the world were terrified at the name of the God of Israel, because they had seen what God did to deliver His people from Egypt, and they had seen what Israel’s God had done to the gods of Egypt and the armies of Egypt, so that Israel’s conduct was a testimony to the power of their God. Now what’s happened? Israel has so discredited their God that their God is no longer feared by the nations that border on the land of Israel . . .
•It is in the midst of these momentous developments that God chose to speak through Daniel providing the overview of the Times of the Gentiles (Dan. 2710-11) and the related judgment and restoration of Israel (Dan. 9;12).
Question: “So What are the times of the Gentiles?”
•We can define The “Times of the Gentiles” as the indefinite period of time on earth when the visible theocratic kingdom on earth is absent, and which will one day end when the Lord comes back to earth to reestablish his rule and authority on the earth, when “the nations will be broken with a rod of iron and shattered like earthenware” (Ps 2:9 with Rev 2:26-27Rev 12:5, and Rev 19:15).
•Scripture points to the literal establishment of the theocratic kingdom on earth at some point in the future, which will be centered on the Temple described by Ezekiel (and which translates into the eternal Zionic Jerusalem described in Revelation 21:10-27, where the measuring rod appears again suggesting literal events and objects).
A similar phrase is found in Romans 11:25, which says, “A partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in” (ESV). Does the Bible tell us what the phrase “times of the Gentiles” means?

The Old Testament does not contain this exact phrase, but there are references that seem to match up.
Ezekiel 30:3 points to “a time of doom for the nations” in connection with the Day of the Lord. Daniel’s series of visions deals with Gentile world powers and their role in God’s plan for the earth.
•Nebuchadnezzar’s image of gold, silver, bronze, iron, and clay (Daniel 2:31–45) represents successive Gentile kingdoms that will dominate until Christ returns and establishes His reign. Daniel’s vision of the four beasts (Daniel 7:1–27) likewise speaks of four kings, or nations, which will dominate for a time until Christ comes to rule forever.
•The vision of the ram and the goat (Daniel 8:1–26) gives more detail about these Gentile rulers and the time involved in their dominion.
•In each of these passages, the Gentiles have dominion over the world, including the Jewish people, for a time, but God will ultimately subdue them all and establish His own kingdom once and for all.
•Each prophecy culminates with a reference to Christ’s kingdom, so the “times” of these Gentile rulers would be all the years between the Babylonian Empire of Nebuchadnezzar and the glorious return of Christ to establish His kingdom. We are now living in “the times of the Gentiles,” that is, in the era of Gentile domination.

When we examine the book of Revelation, we find similar references to the time of Gentile dominion ending with the return of Christ. In Revelation 11:2, John indicates that Jerusalem will be under Gentile rule, even though the temple has been restored. The armies of the Beast are destroyed by the Lord in Revelation 19:17–19, just before the millennial reign of Christ is initiated.

Looking again at Luke 21:24, we see that Jesus mentions a time in which Jerusalem is under the dominion of Gentile authority. Nebuchadnezzar’s conquest of Jerusalem in 588 BC began that period, and it has continued through the present time.

•When Jesus spoke of the destruction of Jerusalem, he placed a time on its desolation. In Luke 21:24, He said, “And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
•From 70 AD until today, Jerusalem has continued to be under Gentile control.
• When Jerusalem was captured by Israel in the 1967 War, many Bible students thought the times of the Gentiles were over. However, Israel’s secular government returned control of the Temple Mount to the Muslims.
•Revelation 11:1-2 explains when the times of the Gentiles will come to an end:
•And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
•Remember, Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. This passage tells us that the Gentiles will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two Jerusalem months. Forty-two months here refers to the three and one half year period known as the great tribulation, which immediately precedes the battle of Armageddon.
• In Revelation 13:5, we are told that power was given to the beast (the Antichrist) to continue forty two months. This is the same forty two months that will conclude the times of the Gentiles.
• When Jesus comes back to earth, destroys the Antichrist, and establishes His kingdom, the times of the Gentiles will be completed, and all of Israel that has survived the great tribulation will turn to Jesus when He descends onto the Mount of Olives. Jerusalem is the most disputed piece of real estate on earth today.
•The nation of Israel is now reborn after almost 2,000 years of exile. A peace treaty that will settle the control of the Temple Mount is being crafted by representatives of the world community. All of these factors speak loud and clear to us. The times of the Gentiles are almost over and the second coming of our Lord and Savior is very near! Come quickly Lord Jesus!
•The “Times of the Gentiles” do not come to an end whenever Israel enjoys a period of relative autonomy and self-rule. The key factor which determines the period of this time is that the throne of David remains unoccupied by a legitimate ruler in the line of David.
•Thus, the nation may be reconstituted and the city or temple restored (as in the return from the Babylonian Captivity), but this would not end the “Times of the Gentiles” because no legitimate Davidic monarch seated on the Davidic throne has ruled since the Babylonian overthrow of Judah.
•During the return from Babylonian captivity, although Zerubbabel was of Davidic descent, Scripture never describes him as occupying the throne of David as a true king. This is not a mere accident of history, but is a direct result of Ezekiel’s prophecy which specified that the Davidic scepter would not be restored until “He comes Whose right it is” (Eze. 21:27)—that is, King Messiah.
•The continuation of the Times of the Gentiles provides additional proof that Jesus does not presently occupy the throne of David.
•What is the purpose of  “the times of the Gentiles.” 
•The Apostle James spoke to the leaders of the early church as they were attempting to understand how God would turn to the Gentiles.
•In Acts 15:14 he said, “Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.”
•Because Israel was too proud of her role as God’s chosen people, she was unable to receive a meek and lowly Messiah. In His wisdom, God turned to the lowly Gentiles who were humble enough to receive a salvation that they did not deserve. God was looking for a people He could have mercy upon—not one who felt it deserved His divine favor. Thus the “times of the Gentiles” began.
•The Apostle Paul attempted to explain this truth to the Gentiles in Romans 11:25 27:
•For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:25 gives us a hint as to God’s purpose in the times of the Gentiles: the spread of the gospel throughout the whole world.
•The organization and inventions of the pagan world powers have actually aided the evangelism of the world. For example, in the first century, it was the widespread use of the Greek language and the network of Roman roads that allowed many people in far-off lands to hear the gospel.

One theme of Romans 11 is that, when the Jewish people rejected Christ, they were temporarily cut off from the blessings of a relationship with God.

• As a result, the gospel was given to the Gentiles, and they gladly received it. This partial hardening of heart for Israel doesn’t preclude individual Jews from being saved, but it prevents the nation from accepting Christ as Messiah until His plans are finished.
•When the time is right, God will restore the entire nation, and they will come to faith in Him once again, ending “the times of the Gentiles” (Isaiah 17:762:11–12Romans 11:26).
•Paul in making reference to the fulfillment of the Times of the Gentiles, which will inaugurate the Zionic era, warned the Romans against being lifted up in pride because they had been favored by God with salvation. He explained the mystery that the blindness of Israel would not last forever. He told them that this condition would only last until “the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.” Then he explained that all of Israel, that existed when the fullness of the Gentiles was completed, would be saved.
•He went on in the chapter to explain that God first concluded the Gentiles in unbelief so that He might have mercy on the Gentiles. He then explained that the Jews are now consigned to unbelief, so that He might have mercy on the Jews. He summarizes his discourse in Romans 11:32 – For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
•As I have read through books on the prophetic books by Bible students and prophetic authors over many years, I think almost invariably all of them have associated this phrase, “the times of the Gentiles”with the great vision recorded in the second chapter of the book of Daniel.  I myself have done this also.  Nebuchadnezzar the king had a vision of a great image with a head of gold, shoulders of silver, thighs of brass and legs of iron with feet of iron mingled with clay.  In the interpretation of that vision, Daniel the prophet said to the king that this would be the predicted course of the history of the world following Nebuchadnezzar’s day.  Beginning with him and following, there would be four great world empires that would run their course upon the pages of history.  These have been literally fulfilled exactly as Daniel had predicted. 
•In the interpretation of that vision the king was told that in the dream he had seen a stone cut out of a mountain without hands which would fall from heaven and hit the image at its feet and would break the whole image and all these empires would come crumbling down to the ground.  The stone would then grow into a great mountain that would fill the whole earth.  The king was told by Daniel that this was a kingdom that God would set up in the days of the kings represented by the ten toes on the image – the ten kingdom confederacy of the last days.  This kingdom would be a kingdom which God would erect among the nations, headed, as we know from the New Testament, by Christ himself.  His kingdom will fill the whole earth and accomplish God’s purpose. 
•Most prophetic students have linked the phrase,“the times of the Gentiles” with the course of that image. 
•It began with Nebuchadnezzar, the great Gentile king, who was first given the right to have sovereignty and supremacy over the people of Israel.  It was Nebuchadnezzar who, in 586 B.C., came in and captured Jerusalem and took Israel into its first captivity.  For seventy years they were held captive in the nation of Babylon, until the time when they returned to Jerusalem after a seventy-year captivity. 
•They first returned as little straggling remnant headed by Ezra, then another group headed by Nehemiah, and others came back in other little groups until the city was at last reoccupied.  The walls were rebuilt, the Temple was rebuilt and Jerusalem again was made to be a livable city.  However, it was still under the sovereignty of a Gentile power and it never came out from under the sovereignty of those Gentile powers until June 7, 1967.  For the first time, in well over 2000 years, (almost 2500 years of history) the nation of Israel had undisputed sovereignty over the old city of Jerusalem.  Now that is a very significant event.  If nothing else were ever to occur in our day other than that, we could say we had seen a most interesting and a most significant, singular development in the taking over of the Old City for the first time by the Jews as a sovereign nation. 
•Now does this mean that the times of the Gentiles were fulfilled by that event?  If we link the phrase “the times of the Gentiles” with the great image that Daniel saw then the answer is no. According to the dream of Nebuchadnezzar as interpreted by Daniel, the times of the Gentiles or the season of the Gentile empires would end by the setting up of the kingdom of Christ, by the second return of Jesus Christ.  That is why today many Bible students are quite reluctant to say that the times of the Gentiles have indeed ended by the taking over of the city of Jerusalem, despite the fact that it was the Lord Jesus himself who said, “Jerusalem shall trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

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  • Really dont understand or see the purpose of these “Sweet Sunday Services” outside of giving this pompous jac.a.ss GP a venue to expose his bloated oversize ego along with him adding more controversy to the Word and his zealous insipid input of criticism and long winded snake winding attacks on those with differing opinions

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Mariposa at 8:45 AM

    I agree in principle.
    But this one started out well. Then some where in the middle he loses focus. There was an improvement on the Brother Laddie’s style. There is still hope me thinks.

    He connected with the notion of prophesy and reinterpretation of History.

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  • VC
    Not really interested in nothing GP has to say
    GP has shown a side of him that is not exemplified by Jesus philosophy or words demonstrated in Jesus parables or any of Jesus teachings
    He is an aloof self centred person basically in tune with himself and a true example of pretentious Christianity liken to a wolf in sheep’s clothing and utterances that make noises like sounding brass and clanging symbols
    Symbolic of intolerance rolled up in a web of impatience and a unrepentant spirit to be always right
    Now i await his ungodly response
    For by their fruits all should know Them

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  • RE…“THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES” by Dr. GP Should Say EXCERPTS SUBMITTED by Dr.GP as they are COMPILED by him but not of him…Never the Less we can gain some nuggets from the presentation…

    Daniel and the Times of the Gentiles By Tony Garland
    http://www.spiritandtruth.org/teaching/documents/articles/125/125.htm?x=x

    Question: “So What are the times of the Gentiles?” By Paul Benware

    https://www.gotquestions.org/times-of-the-Gentiles.html

    What is the purpose of “the times of the Gentiles.” By Irvin Baxter

    https://www.endtime.com/blog/times-of-the-gentiles-fulfilled/

    WHAT MAKES NEBUCHADNEZZAR DREAM AS INTERPRETED BY DANIEL…

    People interpret the Vision of Nebuchadnezzar by Daniel as being Political, but Political Philosophy cannot exist by itself it must come from your Beliefs/Faith. A man’s Actions comes from his Faith so when we think of this as just being Politics or the Kingdom existing in a Physical Sense that is only half the answer, the other half that precedes, it is the Kingdom of God within each person and we are ruled by the dictates of that Same Spirit. Then and only then can the Stone Without Hands Fill the Whole Earth and the Real Kingdom of God will be made manifest.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Freedom Crier

    Wuh Loss ! Do you mean to say that I was premature in giving GP an upgrade. Wuh Loss!.

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  • LETS BEGIN WITH THIS EXCERPT
    In Deuteronomy 18, God promises through Moses to raise a line of godly prophets in Israel. That line would culminate in one person who would be the “prophet like me” of Deuteronomy 18:15: “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.” Deuteronomy 18:18 gives us the same promise in the Lord’s own words: “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.”

    It’s interesting to discover that the Jews had always understood that this prophecy would one day be fulfilled in a literal way by the coming of a “the Prophet” who would either A) come just before Messiah or B) would, in fact, be the Messiah. That expectation helps explain the dialogue between the Jews and John the Baptist in John 1:19-21. When they ask who he was, he said, “I am not the Christ.” “Who are you, then? Are you Elijah?” “No. “Well, then, are you the Prophet.” “No.” When they said, “the Prophet,” both the Jews and John the Baptist understood the reference to be the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18.

    The same thing happened to Jesus himself. When he performed the miracle of feeding the 5000 in John 6, the crowd responded by saying, “Surely this the Prophet who is to come into the world” (John 6:14). Again, the reference is to Deuteronomy 18. Later when he spoke to the multitiudes at the Feast of Tabernacles, some of the people exclaimed, “Surely this man is the Prophet” (John 7:40).

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  • HAVING POINTED OUT WHO THE PROPHET WAS WHO SHOULD COME

    WHAT WAS HIS GREAT PROPHESY?

    IT WAS THE OLIVET DISCOURSE

    The Olivet Discourse is a biblical passage found in the Synoptic Gospels in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21.I

    AS PART OF THIS DISCOURSE, the Lord Jesus, in Luke 21:22-24 prophesied that “Jerusalem would be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    What is the time of the Gentiles then?

    It is the time when the Gentiles will be in charge of world affairs

    It began cerca 586 BC AND WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE DAY OF CHRIST AT THE BEGINNING OF CHRIST’S REIGN

    HOW DO WE KNOW THIS?
    BECAUSE JESUS TOLD US IN MATHEW 24:15 WHEN HE REFERRED TO DANIEL’S PROPHESIES IN CHAPS 2, 7 9

    the Vision of Nebuchadnezzar by Daniel HAS LARGELY BEEN FULFILLED AS ATTESTED BY SECULAR HISTORIANS

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  • When Jesus spoke of the destruction of Jerusalem, he placed a time on its desolation. In Luke 21:24, He said, “And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    •From 70 AD until today, Jerusalem has continued to be under Gentile control.
    • When Jerusalem was captured by Israel in the 1967 War, many Bible students thought the times of the Gentiles were over. However, Israel’s secular government returned control of the Temple Mount to the Muslims.
    •Revelation 11:1-2 explains when the times of the Gentiles will come to an end:
    •And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
    •Remember, Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. This passage tells us that the Gentiles will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two Jerusalem months. Forty-two months here refers to the three and one half year period known as the great tribulation, which immediately precedes the battle of Armageddon.
    • In Revelation 13:5, we are told that power was given to the beast (the Antichrist) to continue forty two months. This is the same forty two months that will conclude the times of the Gentiles.
    • When Jesus comes back to earth, destroys the Antichrist, and establishes His kingdom, the times of the Gentiles will be completed, and all of Israel that has survived the great tribulation will turn to Jesus when He descends onto the Mount of Olives. Jerusalem is the most disputed piece of real estate on earth today.
    •The nation of Israel is now reborn after almost 2,000 years of exile. A peace treaty that will settle the control of the Temple Mount is being crafted by representatives of the world community. All of these factors speak loud and clear to us. The times of the Gentiles are almost over and the second coming of our Lord and Savior is very near! Come quickly Lord Jesus!
    •The “Times of the Gentiles” do not come to an end whenever Israel enjoys a period of relative autonomy and self-rule. The key factor which determines the period of this time is that the throne of David remains unoccupied by a legitimate ruler in the line of David.
    •Thus, the nation may be reconstituted and the city or temple restored (as in the return from the Babylonian Captivity), but this would not end the “Times of the Gentiles” because no legitimate Davidic monarch seated on the Davidic throne has ruled since the Babylonian overthrow of Judah.
    •During the return from Babylonian captivity, although Zerubbabel was of Davidic descent, Scripture never describes him as occupying the throne of David as a true king. This is not a mere accident of history, but is a direct result of Ezekiel’s prophecy which specified that the Davidic scepter would not be restored until “He comes Whose right it is” (Eze. 21:27)—that is, King Messiah.
    •The continuation of the Times of the Gentiles provides additional proof that Jesus does not presently occupy the throne of David.
    •What is the purpose of “the times of the Gentiles.”
    •The Apostle James spoke to the leaders of the early church as they were attempting to understand how God would turn to the Gentiles.
    •In Acts 15:14 he said, “Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.”
    •Because Israel was too proud of her role as God’s chosen people, she was unable to receive a meek and lowly Messiah. In His wisdom, God turned to the lowly Gentiles who were humble enough to receive a salvation that they did not deserve. God was looking for a people He could have mercy upon—not one who felt it deserved His divine favor. Thus the “times of the Gentiles” began.
    •The Apostle Paul attempted to explain this truth to the Gentiles in Romans 11:25 27:
    •For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
    •Romans 11:25 gives us a hint as to God’s purpose in the times of the Gentiles: the spread of the gospel throughout the whole world.
    •The organization and inventions of the pagan world powers have actually aided the evangelism of the world. For example, in the first century, it was the widespread use of the Greek language and the network of Roman roads that allowed many people in far-off lands to hear the gospel.

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  • THE POINT OF THIS ARTICLE IS THAT THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES WILL SOON COME TO AN END AND THAT CHRIST’S THEOCRATIC REIGN WILL BEGIN

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  • Once again we finding religious man made teachings and interpretations interjecting their ideologies into what Jesus principled and defined in his works mostly having to do with Love of mankind
    The regurgitated teaching interpreted by todays church thinking of the feeding of the five thousand takes man thinking away from the principles of a spiritual and meaningful and fullfilling walk closer to God and directs man belief into an illogical manifestations of a Jesus a miracle worker who takes two small loaves of bread and five small fishes and fed five thousand through an act which stretches the mind to a place of illogical thinking and unbelief
    Which in simple an logical context is a story which has a teachable moment telling mankind how to be responsible for each other taking whatever one can give or offer sharing without looking for rewards
    Giving unconditionally of one self no matter how small
    Sufficient and enough that your works would be enough for others to follow
    Sufficient and enough that no matter how small one gives it can feed thousands
    A catalyst and a story told and sending a message about Sharing

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  • Vincent Codrington

    Hmnnnnnnnnm !!

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ GP

    For the authentic Christians, Christ theocratic reign has already begun.

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  • vincent

    if you want information ask proper questions dont make stupid statements that can not be supported by scripture

    all sane sound solid students of the scripture know that Christ’s theocratic reign begins in the millennium following the battle of Armageddon

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ GP

    I am a student of Christian Literature . It is on the basis of these that I can make such a statement. Store not up for yourself worldly treasures that moths and rust do corrupt and where thieves break in and steal but store up heavenly treasures where neither moths nor rust do corrupt and thieves cannot break in and steal. Your concept of Christ’s reign is a tad too earthly for me.

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  • I think Vincent means individual Christians not the whole earth.

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  • you are a student of Christian Literature and you do not know that the scriptures have predicted the earthly reign of Christ from as early as Genesis 49?
    where else will Christ’s theocratic reign be but on earth?

    the song writer has interpreted well thus
    1 Thy kingdom come, O God,thy rule, O Christ, begin;break with thine iron rod the tyrannies of sin.
    2 Where is thy reign of peace and purity and love? When shall all hatred cease,as in the realms above?
    3 When comes the promised time that war shall be no more,and lust, oppression, crime shall flee thy face before?
    4 We pray thee, Lord, arise,and come in thy great might;revive our longing eyes,which languish for thy sight.
    5 Men scorn thy sacred name,and wolves devour thy fold;by many deeds of shame we learn that love grows cold.
    6 O’er lands both near and far thick darkness broodeth yet:arise, O Morning Star, arise, and never set!

    Do you know any of the Scriptures alluded here?

    How come you are a student of Christian Literature and you do not know or understand the scriptures
    Is not all proper Christian Literature based on study of the Word of God?

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  • re I think Vincent means individual Christians not the whole earth.

    the Scriptures teach that Christ’s reign is an earthly reign
    please kindly list the Scriptures that say otherwise.

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  • I don’t think he means that sort of reign. He probably means that Christ is reigning in the hearts and minds of Christians.

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  • Christ will reign in the hearts and minds of Christians when they are free from sin—free from sinful thoughts words and deeds .

    I have never met a Christian who is free from sin—free from sinful thoughts words and deeds .
    Have you?
    Christians know that they have the sin nature still and that they sin c.f I john 1: 8& 10
    Christians know that they must continually confess their sin c.f I john 1: 9

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  • Christ is NOT reigning in the hearts and minds of the best of Christians BECAUSE ALL CHRISTIANS SIN!

    THE BEST CHRISTIANS KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THE SIN NATURE STILL AND THAT THEY STILL COMMIT ACTS OF SIN cf 1JOHN 1:8 &10. THE BEST CHRISTIANS KNOW THAT THEY MUST CONTINUALLY BE CONFESSING THEIR SINS cf 1JOHN 1:9

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  • @ GP December 1, 2019 2:56 PM
    “you are a student of Christian Literature and you do not know that the scriptures have predicted the earthly reign of Christ from as early as Genesis 49?
    where else will Christ’s theocratic reign be but on earth?”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Do you realize that you are ‘preaching’ only to the converted?

    There are billions on the same “earth” including the same Christ family, the Jews, who do not give jack shit or a hill of beans about some quack messiah coming back.

    Why not preach that to the Chinese and Indians who make up the majority of the ‘sinful’ human population of the planet?

    See if you can pull off the same trick on them as the white man did to the naïve black Africans or the Spaniards tried on the Incas with the return of the mythical messiah serpent sky god Quetzalcoatl.

    BTW, why is SUNDAY so special for you to deliver your sermon?
    Does the SUN have special significance for you? If so, continue on the path to enlightenment. You might just find, in some serendipitous form of the Light, the God you are searching for all these years, despite studiously reading your Jewish book of fables.

    “This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

    If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.

    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

    If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.”

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  • FURTHERMORE IF He means that Christ is reigning in the hearts and minds of Christians, SINCE THESE CHRISTIANS ARE ON EARTH THEN CHRIST’S REIGN IN THEM IS STILL ON EARTH.

    CHRISTIANS ARE DEPENDENT ON EARTH ON THEIR PARACLETE THEIR PROPITIATION AND THEIR PERSON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS C.F 1 JOHN 2:1-2

    My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:And he is the propitiation for our sins:

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  • the Scriptures teach that Christ’s reign is an earthly reign
    please kindly list the Scriptures that say otherwise.

    Vincent

    John 18 :36 in the words of Jesus say otherwise

    Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.”

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  • Vincent Codrington

    GP

    Do you recall the response that Jesus gave Pilate when he asked him if he is the King of the Jews? Jesus’ response was that his kingdom is not of this World. I will repeat your concepts are too anthropomorphic. Your perception of God is a Superman with human failings and desires. Where love reigns; there is the Kingdom of Heaven.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Mariposa

    We are on the same wave length. I did not see your response before I typed.

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  • Whereas Jesus’ kingdom is “not of this World” IT WILL BE ESTABLISHED ON EARTH AS IS CLEARLY STATED THROUGHOUT THE PSALMS AND IN ALL THE PROPHETIC BOOKS EXCEPT JONAH

    CITE SCRIPTURES THAT SAY OTHERWISE

    THE PURPOSE OF THE TWO OF YOU IS TO CONTRADICT ME, BUT YOU JUST CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW THE WORD, OR UNDERSTAND IT. WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS LOOK UP THE GREEK RENDITION OF THAT PHRASE

    RE Your perception of God is a Superman with human failings and desires. YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME OR MY PERCEPTIONS

    RE Where love reigns; there is the Kingdom of Heaven. PLEASE TELL ME WHERE ON EARTH LOVE REIGNS, AND TELL ME WHERE THAT IS TAUGHT IN THE SCRIPTURES

    RUN IN AND BOWL AGAIN

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  • @ Vincent Codrington December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
    “Your perception of God is a Superman with human failings and desires. Where love reigns; there is the Kingdom of Heaven.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But isn’t “Man” made in the ‘mirror’ image of God?

    Who else is Yahweh other than “anthropomorphic” (lovely word that is) English-speaking imitation of a super Son of man from outer space who came to ‘know’ a daughter of an earthly man; according to the fable?

    But you are quite right when you say that the “Kingdom of Heaven” is within the hearts of the sons and daughters of men (and women).

    And there is always room full of forgiveness for the ‘unbelieving’ sinners like the miller.

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  • YOU TWO **************************SHOULD LOOK AT THE PICTURE GIVEN BY FREEDOM CRIER
    LOOK AND SEE WHEN AND WHERE Jesus’ kingdom is ESTABLISHED AS PREDICTED BY DANIEL AND CONFIRMED BY JESUS WHEN HE REFERRED TO THIS PROPHECY IN THE OLIVET DISCOURSE IN MATTHEW 24

    YOU CAN NOT TEACH IF YOU HAVE NOT FIRST STUDIED AND LEARNED
    BEFORE YOU TRY TO CONTRADICT ME GO AND LEARN THE SCRIPTURES

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  • MILLER
    RE But you are quite right when you say that the “Kingdom of Heaven” is within the hearts of the sons and daughters of men (and women).

    YOU WILL NOT FIND THAT IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE

    RE And there is always room full of forgiveness for the ‘unbelieving’ sinners like the miller.
    THIS IS A CORRECT STATEMENT
    YOU HAVE GOT ONE CORRECT FOR ONCE

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  • Sweet Sunday sermons summary

    In the first Sweet Sunday Sermon – Enoch, I submitted a ppt in which after sharing a few outlines on the book of Hebrews, I demonstrated how to go about presenting the salient features about a Bible character by employing the Biographical Method of Bible Study by sharing a study about Enoch- one of the heroes of faith from Hebrews chapter 11.

    It is important to master this technique because much of the Bible is about people, and people love to discuss people.

    This study though well received elsewhere, was greeted was greeted by the criticism that I was giving meat instead of milk.

    However, one blogger commented that the ppt was”Clear, coherent, comprehensive, consistent and conclusive. A model of good teaching,” as indeed it was.

    • Three major things are said about ENOCH in the Bible
    • His TESTIMONY- HE WALKED WITH GOD
    • His PROPHECY- HE FORETOLD THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST AS JUDGE
    • HIS TRANSLATION- HIS TRANSFER TO HEAVEN WITHOUT DEATH PREFIGURES THE IMPENDING TRANSLATION OF SOME BELIEVERS AT THE RAPTURE

    • ENOCH, one of the 3 faithful men in the ante-deluvian civilization, mentioned in Hebrews11:5 represents the walk of faith (Genesis 5:21-24 , Hebrews11:5).
    • we see that in Jude 14, Enoch is described as a prophet who gave in his time
    • a denunciation against the apostates of his day, and ours

    • a revelation or a prediction concerning the second phase of the second advent of Christ.

    • a prediction concerning the condemnation of the ungodly deeds and the ungodly words of ungodly sinners
    • Enoch, according to Jude gave the first prophecy of Christ’s second coming in the Bible.
    • Enoch’s translation and his prophecy even at this early period of man’s existence, suggests that the mystery of the rapture which Paul described in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 1 Corinthians 15:52 was known to this man who enjoyed very close fellowship with God.
    • The remarkable thing about Enoch’s prophecy was that he predicted the second coming of Christ even before the flood; probably as an amplification and exposition of the great prophesy of Genesis 3:15.
    • The reference to the “coming of the Lord” in verse 14 of Jude concerns the Second Advent at the end of the Tribulation.
    • The phrase “thousands upon thousands of his holy ones,” is an idiom for an enormous, unknown number of saints (holy ones) from the Church Age, who return with Christ and, these saints are clothed with resurrection bodies.
    • I Thess. 3:13b states, “when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.” And Revelation 19:9,14 state, “Then the angel said to me, ‘Write : ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’ 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.”

    The reference to the “coming of the Lord” in verse 14 of Jude concerns the Second Advent at the end of the Tribulation.
    The phrase “thousands upon thousands of his holy ones,” is an idiom for an enormous, unknown number of saints (holy ones) from the Church Age, who return with Christ and, these saints are clothed with resurrection bodies.
    I Thess. 3:13b states, “when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.” And Revelation 19:9,14 state, “Then the angel said to me, ‘Write : ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’ 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.”
     

    The promise in Enoch’s prophecy that the saints will return with Jesus in groups each 10,000 strong, indicates to us that the Lord’s return is well organized and planned.
    Those at Babel, and in our day, desire a name or fame, and identity.
    We are, however, identified with the heavenly throng who sing around the throne in Revelation 5, and who return with Christ in Jude 14-15.

    Consequently, we who are followers of CHRIST must never lose sight of the hope of Christ’s return, which was designed to comfort (1 Thessalonians 4:18) and to purify (1 John 3:3).
    We must allow nothing to come between our hearts and this most important promise.

    Enoch, according to Jude gave a prediction concerning the condemnation of the ungodly deeds and the ungodly words of ungodly sinners.
    He declares the absolute certainty of future judgment to be visited on such apostates for both
    THEIR MORAL SINS and
    THEIR ORAL SINS.
    Lets remember that Enoch’s prophecy noted in Jude verses 14 & 15 is given in the context of the theme of that one chapter book. APOSTASY.

    About such men Enoch’s prophecy states that, when the Lord comes back to earth with the saints at the second phase of the second coming of Christ, he will at that time,judge and convince [or convict] the ungodly of their UNGODLY DEEDS or MORAL SIN and of their UNGODLY SPEECHES or ORAL SIN.
     

    Jude uses the term “ungodly” four times in verse 15.The Gr. is asebes, and means ‘impious’ in the sense of rejection or unbelief. Also worthy of note in this verse is the fact that the ‘judgment’ of these ungodly, impious, unbelieving, Christ rejecting persons comes before the ‘conviction’ in verse 15. Why?
    Because judgment is the reason, the purpose, the objective, the intention of the Second Advent. Note too that the judgment is stated to be against “all”, who have in the past been guilty of the sin of apostasy.

    It refers to all in totality, of a distinct category, unbelievers – APOSTATES.
    Jude is teaching in verses 14 and 15 of his book that Enoch taught concerning the Second Advent of Christ, to notify the unbelieving apostates of his (Enoch’s) own day as to their fate. and the fate of all unbelieving apostates throughout time.
      This fate is finally described in Revelation 20:12-15.

    HIS TRANSLATIONHis Translation. Gen. 5:24; Heb 11: 5.
    1.THE TRANSLATION- Taken up into God’s presence without dying.
    2.THE TYPE -The translation of the Church (I Thess. 4:13-18).

    Genesis 5:24 says simply that Enoch was not, for God took him. It seems that Enoch was somehow supernaturally carried up into heaven.
    We learn that like Elijah, Enoch did not die.
    Enoch was translated or transferred to heaven without dying BEFORE the judgement of the flood as a type or picture of the New Testament saints who are alive when Jesus comes at the rapture.

    We learn from our study of Hebrews 11:5 that Enoch’s disappearance was an extraordinary event presented as a potent picture and promise of the translation of the New Testament believer.
    Just as Enoch disappeared and could not be found prior to the deluge, similarly believers will disappear at the rapture of the church prior to the judgment of the tribulation period in keeping with the New Testament promise given in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, that “God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 1 Corinthians 15:52 etc).

    Like Enoch believers alive at the rapture will like wise be translated without seeing death as predicted by Jesus in John 11:26 and Paul in I Corinthians 15:51 & 1 Thes 4:17.
    The reason he was translated before the flood is to teach that God always has and will deliver the Godly before he damns the ungodly as taught in 1 Thes 5:9-10; 2Peter 2:5,7&9

     

    Recall that Enoch was the father of Methusaleh, Gen. 5:21, Luke 3:37.
    Both lived during the antediluvian period.
    Just before the Flood took place, Enoch was translated into heaven (Paradise), but Methusaleh died and went to heaven (Paradise).
    This picture or type is in keeping of the teaching given in 1 Thes 5:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 1Corinthians 15:52 etc

    The fact that Methuselah lived 969 years attests to the truth of 2 Peter 3:9.
    That was certainly a very long time in which God, put up with iniquity and ungodliness.
    However, just as God eventually judged “the world that was”, he can, and will judge “the world that is” as promised in 2 Peter 3:6-7.
    Although the flood came after almost a 1000 years (really like a day to God)- it came.
    So too will the judgment of the current world occur at God’s appointed time.

    Enoch’s translation indicates that those who accept God’s promises and walk in His ways will benefit from the glorious promise concerning the rapture , which involves a translation, at Christ’s return for all the saved

    Jesus personally promised that He would Himself return to receive us unto Himself.
    Very soon He will descend from heaven to claim His bride from the care and current protection of the Holy Spirit as pictured in Genesis 24.
    He will take us from a world that is ripening for judgment to share an exciting future in which the walk of faith, will be replaced by a face to face walk as Adam enjoyed in the Garden of Eden prior to the fall, and as Enoch experienced prior to the flood.

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  • GP December 1, 2019 5:13 PM “MILLER
    RE But you are quite right when you say that the “Kingdom of Heaven” is within the hearts of the sons and daughters of men (and women).

    YOU WILL NOT FIND THAT IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE”

    THAT DEPENDS ON IF YOU ARE LISTENING TO THE VIEW OF A PHARISEE OR THE TRUE GOSPEL OF CHRIST!

    Some, like the Pharisees continued to think in more concrete, literal terms. Jesus reprimanded them for that & for neglecting to seek the kingdom of God WITHIN & neglecting to teach others to go within… “ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in… Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup & platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.”-Matt 23:13, 26

    “And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them & said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” – Luke 17:20-21

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  • ON John 18 :36

    Jesus” kingdom is “not of this realm” or “from another place” (Gr. ouk enteuthen, lit. not from this place… ) in another sense. It will come down from heaven to the earth rather than originating from the earth. It will begin when Jesus comes down from heaven to earth at His second coming.

    WHEN I WANT INFO ON A BIBLE VERSE I DONT LISTEN TO TWIDLEDEE AND TWIDLEDUMB ON BU I READ WHAT SANE SOLID SERIOUS SCRIPTURE SCHOLARS REPORT

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  • @ GP December 1, 2019 5:13 PM

    I was waiting- like the ‘remorseful flattering thief on the cross- for the very last moment to ‘sweet-talk’ my way into heaven without having to pay, like you, dues of celibacy and sobriety.

    Seems like the miller would have to catch an earlier flying horse of fire, like Elijah in his personal spacecraft, to heaven by bribing Saint Peter with a Bajan black- belly ram goat with a cussing game cock on its back and two flying fish to boot.

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  • The Jewish people lived in an excited atmosphere of expectancy, particularly at the Passover season when they commemorated their deliverance from Egypt. They longed for another Moses who would deliver them from their bondage. Some had hoped that John the Baptist would be the deliverer, and then the attention focused on Jesus (John 6:15). The fact that He was going to Jerusalem excited them all the more (Luke 19:11). Perhaps He would establish the promised kingdom! (Bible Exposition Commentary)

    Nor will they say, ‘Look (idou), here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ – Jesus counters their belief that the Kingdom of God would come in an obvious way that would be visible to all to behold (including great signs to behold). To the contrary, God’s kingdom would not be preceded by signs that could be observed. The Pharisees were completely off base regarding their theology of the Kingdom. Then Jesus really rocks their boat with His next declaration.

    Jesus had made it very clear what was required to “see” this “invisible” kingdom. Speaking to Nicodemus He said “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot (absolutely continually will not be able to) see the Kingdom of God.” (John 3:3).

    Jesus gave a similar explanation in Matthew

    Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know (TO “SEE” SPIRITUALLY) the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. 12 “For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. 13 “Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see (THE INVISIBLE SPIRITUAL KINGDOM), and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 “In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, ‘YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE; 15 FOR (term of explanation = EXPLAINING WHY THEY CANNOT SEE THE SPIRITUAL, INVISIBLE KINGDOM OF GOD) THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL, WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES (SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING), OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES, HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.’ 16 “But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear.

    Beloved brother or sister in Christ, does the fact that you can truly see the invisible Kingdom of God not give you indescribable joy and a deep sense of humility that cries “Why me Lord? Why am I so privileged?” How blessed we are as believers to be able to see and understand the Kingdom of God which is shrouded in total mystery to the majority of the people we encounter daily. This should motivate us even more to share the Gospel with them, trusting in the Spirit to “open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light (“I ONCE WAS BLIND BUT NOW I SEE” listen to this version!) and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.” (Acts 26:18-note)

    Paul echoes the words of Jesus regarding the inability of the unregenerate man to see the Kingdom of God explaining that…

    “a natural man does not accept (WELCOME) the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot (ABSOLUTELY IN NOT ABLE TO) understand them, because they are spiritually appraised (YOU MUST HAVE SPIRITUAL EYES TO SEE THE SPIRITUAL KINGDOM OF GOD).(1 Cor 2:14-note)

    Simply stated, if you do not recognize the King (Jesus) you cannot see the Kingdom of God. However, as explained below, the day will come when even the spiritually blind will see the Visible Kingdom, for they will then behold the Visible King. Sadly, it will be too late to repent at that time. Today is the day of salvation!

    For behold (idou = “listen up” “Don’t miss this!”), the kingdom of God is in your midst – What is Jesus saying? He is saying the Kingdom of God is present now, at the moment He spoke those words. One can only imagine the look of confusion and consternation on the Pharisees and Jews in general when Jesus made this declaration! Even Jesus’ own disciples did not comprehend what He was saying and so in Lk 17:37 ask “Where, Lord?” (in context a question related to the Kingdom of God).

    Jesus told the disciples in the Upper Room, “Truly I say to you, I will never again drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God” (ED: HE IS REFERRING TO THE FUTURE EARTHLY KINGDOM HE WILL ESTABLISH WHEN HE RETURNS). (Mark 14:25). At the sheep and goat judgment (ED: THIS EVENT COINCIDES WITH HIS SECOND COMING AND SHOULD BE DISTINGUISHED FROM THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT 1000 YEARS LATER – Rev 20:11-15-note) “the King will say to those on His right [the sheep], ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world’” (Mt. 25:34), but for those who reject Him “there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when [they] see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but [they themselves] being thrown out. And they will come from east and west and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God” (Luke 13:28-29). This (ED: VISIBLE ASPECT OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD) refers to our Lord’s millennial reign on earth (Rev. 20:1-6-note). (MacArthur New Testament Commentary – Luke 11-17)

    The verb “is” (in your midst) is in the present tense signifying the Kingdom of God was present now, even as Jesus was speaking. But they could not see it! They were waiting and looking for the Kingdom of God (see the summary of their Jewish Eschatology), but it was continually present now! The Pharisees (and most of the Jews and most of fallen mankind) simply did not have their spiritual eyes opened to be able to see the Kingdom, because at present it is a spiritual Kingdom, not a visible kingdom. When Christ returns as King of kings (Rev 19:11-16-note), the invisible Kingdom of God will suddenly and forever become a visible Kingdom. In the Revelation John writes of this “visibility”

    BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye (REGENERATE AND UNREGENERATE) will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. (Rev 1:7-note)

    The phrase in your midst is not translated as accurately as it could be. A more accurate translation is the kingdom of God is within you. In fact most of the modern Bible translations have a marginal note that says “within you” (the more literal translation) and some add “within your grasp” (but I think the latter paraphrase is a bit of a stretch). Some commentaries argue that if it were translated “in you” or “within you” then it would imply that the Kingdom of God was actually present in the Pharisees, which of course it was not.

    John MacArthur comments on in your midst – Many translators, seeking to avoid the apparent difficulty of Jesus saying that the kingdom was inside the unbelieving Pharisees, translate the phrase in which it appears in your midst. However a different phrase, en mesō, is regularly used to communicate the idea of “in the midst of,” or “among” (e.g., Mt. 10:16; Lk 2:46; 8:7; 10:3; 22:27; 24:36; Acts 1:15; 2:22; Heb. 2:12). The apparent difficulty is easily resolved by understanding your in the broadest national sense rather than as a narrow reference to the Pharisees. As was inevitably the case, the crowd listening to the Lord’s dialogue with the Pharisees ran the gamut from the outright rejecters to the curious but uncommitted, to the true disciples of Jesus. The Lord was reinforcing the point that the spiritual kingdom is internal and not manifested by observable signs. (MacArthur New Testament Commentary – Luke 11-17)
    Wiersbe – The statement “the kingdom of God is within you” has challenged Bible translators and interpreters for centuries, and many explanations have been given. One thing we can be sure of is that He was not telling the unbelieving Pharisees that they had the kingdom of God in their hearts! The Greek preposition can mean “within,” “among,” or “in the midst of.” Jesus was saying, “Don’t look for the kingdom ‘out there’ unless it is first in your own heart” (see Rom. 14:17). At the same time, He may also have been saying, “The fact that I am here in your midst is what is important, for I am the King. How can you enter the kingdom if you reject the King?” (see Luke 19:38–40) The Pharisees were preoccupied with the great events of the future but were ignoring the opportunities of the present (Luke 12:54–57).

    In your midst (1787) (entos) is a preposition which means inside, which is exactly what Jesus means in the only other NT use of this word declaring to the Pharisees to “first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish so that the outside of it may become clean also.” (Mt 23:26). BDAG says entos “(1) pertains to a specific area inside someth., inside, within, within the limits of” and (2) pertaining to wha tis inside an area, content.”

    Gilbrant – Entos is properly an adverb of place and was used that way in classical and Attic Greek, the Septuagint, the inscriptions, and other Greek documents of the First and Second Centuries A.D. It became an improper preposition which took as its object a noun in the genitive case. In the Septuagint (e.g., Isaiah 16:11; Psalm 103:1) entos refers to the inside of man (i.e., the heart). It is used only as an improper preposition in the New Testament. However, it still functions adverbially.
    Earlier in Luke Jesus had taught about the Kingdom of God…

    Luke 13:18-21-note So He was saying, “What is the kingdom of God like, and to what shall I compare it? 19“It is like a mustard seed, which a man took and threw into his own garden; and it grew and became a tree, and THE BIRDS OF THE AIR NESTED IN ITS BRANCHES.” 20 And again He said, “To what shall I compare the kingdom of God? 21 “It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three pecks of flour until it was all leavened.”

    The kingdom of God begins in the heart of all who believe and it grows and grows like the mustard seed and like leaven until it is fully realized in its millennial glory, which is the final phase of the expanding Kingdom of God on earth. In other words, the Kingdom of God begins as a spiritual Kingdom in the heart but is consummated in a visible Kingdom on earth in the Millennium.

    Just to reiterate — So how does the Kingdom of God grow? Every time a person accepts Christ as Savior and Lord the Kingdom of God grows or expands so to speak, just as Luke described in Acts 2:47 writing that “the Lord was adding to their number day by day [Kingdom of God expanding] those who were being saved.” And not only does this aspect of the Kingdom of God grow like a mustard seed or like leaven, but one day when Christ the King is revealed so too will be His loyal subjects. Paul explains this aspect of the Kingdom of God in Romans 8 writing…

    For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly (apekdechomai) for the revealing (apokalupsis = MEANS TAKING THE LID OFF TO REVEAL WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY HIDDEN – SAINTS TODAY ARE IN A STAGE OF “INCUBATION” WHICH ONE DAY WILL HATCH OUT IN GLORY!) of the sons of God (BELIEVERS – SURE HOPEFULLY SOME OF YOUR UNREGENERATE FRIENDS KNOW YOU ARE BELIEVERS [cf Mt 5:16, Php 2:15] BUT THEY HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT YOU WILL BE ON THAT DAY WHEN YOU ARE GLORIFIED!). 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope (ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE OF FUTURE GOOD) 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. (THIS DESCRIBES SAINTS IN THEIR ETERNAL GLORIFIED STATE!) (Ro 8:19-note; Ro 8:20-21-note)

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  • RE Donna December 1, 2019 3:07 PM “I don’t think he means that sort of reign. He probably means that Christ is reigning in the hearts and minds of Christians.”

    THE LIGHT OF CHRIST IS WITH US THROUGH THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY…

    His Light Resides within each person born into this world…it is our Sovereign Gift bestowed to each individual to guide us through this world. This Light Influences our Conscience that is our Compass and guide along Life’s Path it is Separate to the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost Testifies of the Truth that we receive from the Light within that is a portion of His Spirit even the Light of Christ.

    “Having been given a portion of His Superior Spirit upon entering this world at birth — is rarely understood in its fullness. The majesty of His condescension in assigning a portion of His Purity, subjecting such Innocence and superior Wisdom to our inferior will, giving us Sovereignty and governance over His Voice within us to listen and follow His Counsel or not, is generally not appreciated within Judeo-Christianity. Specifically, this generosity is not without consequence. He has bequeathed to us the Spirit of His Liberty and Freedom for the particular purpose to guide and teach us on how to become Like Him, all without imposition or demand by giving us the choice to obey or not… We have been given choice to listen and obey the blessing of His Voice of Direction and Teaching, or to ignore His Counsel while subjecting His Message to ignominy and indifference.

    Thus we are brought to realize that in first subjecting His Purity of Spirit singularly and individually to our will and authority, He has willingly given us power to either appropriately use this advantage or not, to be benefited by His Voice or not, to be raised to His level of Liberty and Freedom or not. Sadly, if we continually choose the latter by rejecting His Beneficence, then we relegate His Voice to a place of dishonor and indifference within us, and instead make that portion of His Spirit to “SERVE WITH OUR SINS.” We thus subject the Purity of His Spirit to the shame and disparagement of the sewage and misbegotten injustices of our own transgressions. Instead of glorifying His Liberty and Freedom offered to us, we sanction a disinterest and apathy to the possibilities of His Saving Grace, subjecting His Will in servitude to the folly of our sins. The unsettling reality is confirmed as revealed in Isaiah below:

    KJV Isaiah 43:7, 21-28 ¶ 4 Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honorable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life….. 7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him…. 21 This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.
    22 ¶ But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel. 23 Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense. 24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: BUT THOU HAST MADE ME TO SERVE WITH THY SINS, THOU HAST WEARIED ME WITH THINE INIQUITIES.
    25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins…

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  • These christains zealots hearts are so hardened that it does even bother them to over step the words of Jesus in a format that would give them a response which they desire

    How else can any one interrupt Jesus words when he said that his kingdom is not of this world
    Morever Jesus went as far as to explain why
    In big bold letters the “reasonwhy” is self explanatory.

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  • In the second Sunday sermon I submitted my contribution from the year when the assignment at my church was to choose an Old Testament event or Bible character, comment briefly thereon, and then relate the lessons gleaned about the Old Testament event or Bible character to a related New Testament passage.

    I therefore presented a brief Biography of Caleb this Old Testament Bible character surrounding his inheritance, and in the second half, I gave an exegesis (or verse by verse study) of 1 Peter 1:3-5 which discusses THE BELIEVER’S INHERITANCE in a study entitled CALEB’S INHERITANCE (Joshua 14) & THE BELIEVER’S INHERITANCE (1 Peter 1:3-5)

    You wont believe it, but the BU Bible luminaries wrested the Scriptures and rambled about whether women should speak in the church.
    The punch lines of that week’s teaching was as follows.
    • The salient features about the life of Caleb were that
    • 1. GOD MADE HIM A PROMISE OF AN INHERITANCE
    • 2 GOD KEPT THE PROMISED INHERITANCE FOR HIM
    • 3 GOD KEPT HIM FOR THE PROMISED INHERITANCE
    • 4 GOD ENSURED THAT HE RECEIVED THE PROMISED INHERITANCE

    • The salient features about 1 Peter:3-5, and thus the comparison with the life of Caleb are that ……………………..
    • 1. GOD HAS MADE A PROMISE OF AN INHERITANCE TO US BELIEVERS
    • 2 GOD HAS KEPT/IS KEEPING OUR INHERITANCE FOR US BELIEVERS

    • 3 GOD HAS KEPT/IS KEEPING US BELIEVERS FOR OUR INHERITANCE
    • 4 GOD WILL/HAS ENSURED THAT WE RECEIVE OUR INHERITANCE

    • The Christian’s inheritance is not like anything in this world.
    • Peter describes our inheritance by four adjectives
    • In substance: it is incorruptible; It will not spoil or go bad. Sin cannot affect it. It will never wear out or get old. Nothing can destroy it.
    • In purity: it is undefiled;
    • In beauty: it is unfading” It will not lose its beauty. It is not like metal that stops shining. Nor is it like a light that goes out.
    • In security: it is reserved God keeps this inheritance safe in heaven for each person who believes his promises

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  • According to Thomas Constable of Dallas Theological College re Jesus” kingdom is “not of this realm” (Gr. ouk enteuthen, lit. not from this place… )

    ouk enteuthen, lit. not from this place… ) thats what the greek says

    WHEN I WANT INFO ON A BIBLE VERSE I DONT LISTEN TO TWIDLEDEE AND TWIDLEDUMB ON BU, I READ WHAT SANE SOLID SERIOUS SCRIPTURE SCHOLARS REPORT

    Several scriptures all over the Bible says that It will come down from heaven to the earth rather than originating from the earth. It will begin when Jesus comes down from heaven to earth at His second coming.

    context context

    Why would Jesus tell unregenerate unbelievers that the kingdom of heaven was in them?

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  • RE Q How else can any one interrupt Jesus words when he said that his kingdom is not of this world
    A 1 BY THINKING ABOUT WHAT HE SAID
    2 BY LOOKING UP THE ORIGINAL GREEK IN VINES OR WEIS OR ZODIATES
    3 BY IGNORING THE NONSENSE WRITTEN BY COMMON GARDEN BU BIBLE ILLITERATE WHO HAS NEVER DONE A SINGLE WORD STUDY IN THEIR LIFE

    HE SAID not of this world ouk enteuthen, lit. not from this place… I.E NOT ORIGINATING IN THIS WORLD
    HE DIDNT SAY THAT IT WONT BE ESTABLISHED ON THIS EARTH BECAUSE HE KNEW WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAID ABOUT ITS ORIGIN LOCATION AND TIMING

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  • Why would i have to look up greek interpretation to understand basic english
    World cannot mean any thing different than what it is describe in english
    You zealots have been trying for decades to reason and rationalise simple words uttered by Jesus and his disciples or prophets to be prophesy explaining the coming of Christ
    Jesus said No not even himself knows when his return should happen
    Therefore it behoofs that zealots intrpretations of Christ coming would be a inclination of proof by way of their interpretation of chps and vs. They find in the bible

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  • RE Why would i have to look up greek interpretation to understand basic english
    World cannot mean any thing different than what it is describe in english

    BECAUSE THE NT WAS WRITTEN IN GREEK THEN TRANSLATED TO LATIN BEFORE BEING TRANSLATED TO THE ENGLISH

    what does it mean when jesus said “i am the door”

    RE Jesus said No not even himself knows when his return should happen
    CHECK THE CONTEXT WHEN HE SAID THAT, and think about the situation
    DO YOU THINK HE KNOWS AT THIS TIME?

    RE zealots interpretations of Christ coming would be a inclination of proof by way of their interpretation of chps and vs. They find in the bible
    EXACTLY DUMMY
    CHECK THE OLIVET DISCOURSE AND ESCHATOLOGICAL PASSAGES for the words “when” and “then” and that should help even a dummy like you THEN COMPARE SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE

    when ya dont know you ask others who know you dont just talk rubbish and spew vitrioL;

    THERE ARE OTHERS WHO KNOW MORE THAN YOU BECAUSE THEY STUDIED

    YOU KEEP COMING WITH YOUR RUBBISH THIS IS TEN YEARS NOW
    YOU ARE THE BIGGEST MORON ON BU BY FAR

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  • RE Why would i have to look up greek interpretation to understand basic english
    World cannot mean any thing different than what it is describe in english

    BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW
    THE VERY BEST BIBLE SCHOLARS LOOK UP WORDS

    THE GREAT GERMAN REFORMER MARTIN LUTHER SAID HE DID WORD STUDIES

    E.G THE WORD “APPEAR” APPEARS THREE TIMES IN HEBREWS NINE

    EACH TIME IT IS A DIFFERENT GREEK WORD
    Hebrews 9 : 26…Hath He appeared… The Greek is….Planeroo..to make clear….to manifest.

    Hebrews 9 : 24…Now to appear… The Greek is….Emphanizo….to make visible….to represent

    Hebrews 9 : 28 …Shall He appear… The Greek word used here is ‘Optomai’…’. which denotes…dramatic suddenness

    BUT EVERY TIME MARIPOSA APPEARS ON BU ITS THE SAME WORD IT MEANS DISGRUNTLED DUMMY AND DUNCE

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  • So only a Bible Dunce would look up the meaning of world

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  • Also On another occasion
    Jesus told his followers to be in the world but not of the world

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  • In the third week I presented Simple Notes on the Doctrine of RECONCILIATION.” which is one of the aspects of THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION.

    Subjects included in this doctrine includes adoption, justification, redemption, reconciliation etc.Such subjects tend to be studied by the TOPICAL METHOD OF BIBLE STUDY which is a form of SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY, whereby the several and sundry scriptures on a particular topic are gathered together and organized in an orderly way usually by asking and seeking to answer the following questions viz 1- WHAT?, 2- WHEN?, 3- WHY?,4- WHO?, 5- WHERE?, 6- WHICH?, 7- HOW, 8- WHAT THEN? SO WHAT?, i.e THE CONCLUSION.

    I try to set out as many questions as I can under all eight of these headings on separate sheets of paper. Then I shuffle the papers around until I get the questions under each heading to flow properly so that the information makes the most sense. So we don’t always end up with the questions in the same order as in the list in the last slide all the time. However, # 8- WHAT THEN? SO WHAT?
    is always LAST of all. # 8 questions are ALWAYS THE CONCLUSION.

    THERE IS ONE MAJOR RULE! We must never say in our teaching ANYTHING THAT WE CAN NOT BACKUP WITH A REFERENCE FROM SCRIPTURE CORRECTLY DIVIDED!

    Whereas one will not always get good or suitable questions in any particular topic for each word WHAT? WHEN? WHY? WHO? WHERE? WHICH? HOW?, but if you follow this simple process you will get much more out of your study than if you don’t follow some proceedure.

    Boy did I have a rough time countering all the negative that week

    There is a very good reason theologians divide the .THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION. into sections. Makes each part easy to understand……….and thus makes the whole doctrine easier to understand

    Jensen says master the parts and you are sure to grasp the whole……….it works for BIOLOGY BIOCHEMISTRY BOTANY…………AND BIBLE…………………….BUT NOT BY BU BIBLE BRIMBLERS!

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  • WHEN JOHN USES THE WORD “WORLD” IN JOHN 3:16 IT IS NOT THE SAME WORD HE USES FOR “WORLD” IN 1 John 2:15-17
    15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

    16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

    GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD OF SINNERS BUT WE ARE NOT TO LOVE THE WORLD SYSTEM———THE COSMOS DIABOLICUS

    THAT IS WHY BIBLE SCHOLARS HAVE AND USE A STRONG’S EXHAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE

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  • Enough of uh brainwashing
    In world with out end
    Amen

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  • EVEN HERE, ON THE BIBLE BLOGS, de ole man is being moderated?

    Does this make sense?

    What adversarial effect would my submissions have on the Mugabe regime?

    Indeed you are a Child of the Devil

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  • But Yuh know piece how do yuh. feel to be Used by Mia and the blog master on this blog over the past ten years and now discarded like a worn out ole shoe
    So sad to see yuh begging David for support
    Any way this comment might help to tek some out de shame from yuh face
    Cause David might want to prove me wrong
    He he heee

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  • @ Dr. GP my fellow myope

    I really dont know if you realise what you are dealing with here on Barbados Underground

    Let me see if I can explain this to you by using what you have said here

    “…In your midst (1787) (entos) is a preposition which means inside, which is exactly what Jesus means in the only other NT use of this word declaring to the Pharisees to “first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish so that the outside of it may become clean also.” (Mt 23:26).

    BDAG says entos “(1) pertains to a specific area inside someth., inside, within, within the limits of” and (2) pertaining to wha tis inside an area, content….”

    Do you understand what this means?

    Look at this Mariposa clown!

    She represents the Embodiment of the Brimlers, Dr GP who, being dull of mind, enjoys her ignorance AND DELIGHTS IN MAKING ALL KNOW OF IT!

    Very few people know Latin even fewer Greek and even less Hebrew.

    For you to speak to this dufus in things transient of the nature of things theological IS LIKE DISCUSSING CALCULUS WITH A BABY!

    A colossal waste of time

    Look, regard the effort here to promote the ramblings of Grenville Phillips as a biblical scholar.

    I do NOT READ IT, at all and if I click on it I UNCLICK IT RAPIDLY because he is devoid of anything that can deepen my spirituality!

    But clowns like him WILL HAVE THEIR FOLLOWINGS

    Once you recognize AND ACCEPT THAT, then you see how some of us will delight in R B Thieme Jr AND OTHERS WILL LOVE ISO TALIBAN

    Say what you are convicted to say AND MOVE ON!

    When I speak to Mugabe here or of the PdP’s actions to win, it matters me not what the Rented jackasses say, I know it to be truth.

    A few people will recognize its veracity and be moved to say and do what is right, while others won’t

    I would have done what The Spirit bade me do, AND I AM CONTENT Dr. GP

    Doan worry bout dem.

    I have 5 people reading and listening to R B Thieme.

    I have been using hymnal.net for over 2? years or from when you told me AND I GAVE IT TO THE PASTORS and they use it too!

    You are augmenting the “talent” that Our God entrusted you with Dr. GP so take succour in this.

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  • @ Mariposa

    Asking the Honourable Blogmaster for “assistance ” IS NOT THE SAME AS ASKING FOR “SUPPORT”

    I left school at 11 years (heheheheh) but you seem never to have gone!

    De ole man was NOT ON THIS BLOG FOR 10 YEARS!

    Piece the Legend was only here for heheheheh a few months

    Dat other character Piece uh de Rock Yeah Right, his time here, you have to ask him, OR THE HONOURABLE BLOGMASTER

    heheheheh (a link to a character DOES NOT MAKE YOU HIM OR HER)

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  • Piece
    Thanks for your encouraging word
    Happy to hear you and others are listening to the late RB Thieme.
    I was introduced to him in 1971 and ordered and read all of his booklets, and learned a lot from them.
    I learned from them the importance of the nuances of Greek & Hebrew.
    I only speak to the morons who come here in order to correct the rubbish they spew.
    i have to try to see that others are not led astray

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  • Vincent Codrington

    GP

    What do you know about the nuance of language? And to boot,Hebrew and GreeK? You really on BU to make Mock Sport aren’t you?

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ GP

    Carry on smartly. You are doing the work your master wants you to do. I will scroll on by.

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  • YOU MUST SCROLL ON BY BECAUSE YOU KNOW NOTHING AND HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER

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  • Ha. Ha. Brain washing is an effective tool when dealing with fools
    Any and everybody who went school including the stan pipe knows the meaning of the word World
    Dont need a greek philosopher to explain
    No man can supersede the words of Jesus in thought word or deed
    Gp wheel and come again

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  • 26 As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool.

    2 As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come.

    3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool’s back.

    4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

    5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

    6 He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool cutteth off the feet, and drinketh damage.

    7 The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools.

    8 As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool.

    9 As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard, so is a parable in the mouths of fools.

    10 The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.

    11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

    12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

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  • Piece
    tHERE IS AN IDIOT ON BU TALKING BOUT MATTHEW IS THE BEST GOSPEL

    SEE IF YOU CAN GET THE IDIOT TO LEARN SOMETHING BY GETTING HIM TO READ ARTHUR PINKS WHY FOUR GOSPELS
    PRINT IT OUT FOR YOUR FRIENDS

    https://www.ccel.org/p/pink/gospels/cache/gospels.pdf

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  • @ Dr GP my fellow myope and apostate,

    0utside of what you post here under the Suday Sermon and your comments thereon, I DO NOT READ ANYTHING THOSE BIBLE ILLITERATES POST!!!

    NOTHING!!!

    NADA!, RIEN, NUFFING!!!

    mariposa, nor Iso TALIBAN nor Sand crier cannot author any blog on the Bible that I will read!!!

    I sorry but…

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  • PIECE JUST DOWNLOAD ARTHUR PINKS WHY FOUR GOSPELS AND SHARE IT WITH YOUR GROUP
    https://www.ccel.org/p/pink/gospels/cache/gospels.pdf

    PINK IS ALWAYS WORTH READING
    HE IS DEFINITELY A BRIMBLER

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  • DEFINITELY NOT A BRIMBLER IT SHOULD BE

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  • As sure as John 3.16
    Piece when all said and done u might be the only idiot left in GP Sunday School class

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  • The earth is the Lord and the fullness thereof
    So should all think that the earth and the world is separate
    Asking for a friend

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  • Oh one more question fuh the Greek theologian
    If God created the heavens and earth a massive undertaken completed in seven days
    Jesus being God Son wouldn’t it be given that when Jesus spoke he would knew what he meant and of what he was speaking
    You guys are real jokers
    On one hand yuh want to make people believe that Jesus rose from the dead after three days in a grave
    On the other hand makes Jesus looks like a dunce by trying to undermined his words to another form and meaning
    Jesus Christ wunna say He is the Son of God with all power but got to run and ask Greek theologians what Jesus meant when he spoke the word World

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  • @ Dr GP,

    Do not answer that woman!

    Do not vex your soul with this Really lost person

    Let me talk to her.

    Before I start I acknowledge that she will not understand but i will essay nonetheless

    GOD, who is Triune God, IS SPIRIT.

    Such sentience does not have finite equivalency so even the very is i used, IS NOT APPLICABLE.

    We, were created in His Image but we fell.

    Because such Infinite God cannot exist with Sin it broke our connection with Triune God and Genesis seeks to explain this to our finite minds.

    But let us move along here Mariposa.

    But, of such Triune God, The Son, Hus Son, came and gave His Life for us, Fallen Man.

    In such Act, so that it cannot be a mockery of Triune God, the Son while taking on ALL SIN OF ALL CREATION, also died.

    Such is the entirety of the Christ Cycle to conquer death.

    This is so that His Victory over Sin and Death would be propiation to Almighty God else there to be connectivity again.

    Where Triune God is, is not within the ken of finite man BUT FINITE MAN IS NOT, NOR CAN EVER BE OUTSIDE, INFINITE GOD.

    That is difficult to understand but it is what it is! It is not our task to comprehend this mystery.

    your definition and understanding of “world” is limited first by your finite understanding of this visible earth.

    BUT THAT IS FINITE AND IS NOT UNKNOWABLE GOD.

    BUT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE CREATED BY GOD, HE “DWELLS” WITHIN AND WE HAVE A GATEWAY TO GOW BECAUSE OF THE PROPIATION OF THE SON’

    HE IS THE WAY AND THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT! and no man comes the The Father but Through Him.

    A day may come when you understand what i just said BUT UNTIL THEN I humbly beg you Mariposa to seek His Understanding NOT THROUGH YOUR SENSORY ORGANS you will not find Him there because that is of this World.

    With much prayer and supplication, you have to release your customary thought processes and focus your prayers from within.

    I do not expect you to grasp this right away but, when you pray next, do not say the prayer from your mind, try to say it from your heart.

    And repeat this process every time you remember my words and after a while you will comprehend a little more of what Dr. GP is saying because you wont be seeing his text but you will feel his words from someplace else.

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  • Piece what de hell did you just say
    Oh you too have become a theologist of The Word
    Very soon you would try to convince all that there is no World
    Ok ok i get it u had one too many drinks
    Of recent i noticed yuh been on a rambling tirade
    Just stay off the juice and yuh would be alright
    Father!Son and Holy Ghost have mercy on that poor wretched soul

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  • @ Mariposa

    I knew you would not understand NOR ARE YOU ALONE!

    Consider this.

    Suppose, and I know that this is difficult for you to do, CONSIDER THAT TOMORROW YOU WOKE AND FOUND YOU HAD A STROKE!

    and as a result, you could not perform any functions for yourself

    But you were aware of yourself still?

    That “awareness” is sentience.

    Scenario # 2

    Consider that, instead of that stroke, you awoke with the power to touch someone AND EITHER HEAL OR GIVE DEATH!

    What would your level of sentience be?

    Could you extrapolate from the hypothetical stroke to the power of life and death?

    AND MORE IMPORTANTLY can you tell me what your level of sentience would be?

    What I sought to explain to you is that for your paucity of knowledge, NEITHER STATE WOULD CHANGE, YOU WOULD BE THE SAME 7 IDIOTS, IN EACH OF THE PERSONALITIES YOU ACCESS YOUR BU IDENTITY WITH!

    But what I seek to advise you is that commensurate with those powers YOUR SENTIENCE MUST BE AUGMENTED ELSE YOU COULD NOT ADMINISTER EITHER POWER.

    What I intimate and try USELESSLY TO SUGGEST is that such power was accorded to Jesus’ disciples AND THAT SUCH COMES FROM A PLACE WITHIN, of which you, in either hypothesis, HAVE NO KEN!

    And such “place” carries no physical dimension AND IS NOT OF THIS WORLD, yet manifests in this world!

    What I went on further to suggest to you is that this state of being, one which Christ was always in, one which permitted him to walk on water and still tumultuous waters, and heal the sick and raise the dead, is a state where, through prayer and supplication, WE FRAIL BEINGS, can attain.

    I suggested further that, because of your collective, patented idiocy, and your statements here on BU, I can say definitively that you are nowhere close to that plane of prayer.

    I then suggested, as gently as I could, that for you to expand your sentience, the only way is by sincere prayer WHICH IS NOT RAMBUNCTIOUS LIKE THE PRAYERS OF THE PHARISEES but takes on a different “perspective”

    Transcendentalists, and other seekers have various names for achieving this state of closeness to the source of all sentience.

    Christians call it prayer and we are instructed to pray without ceasing but I suggested that you WILL NOT FIND GOD WITH PRAYERS OF THE MIND, since they are world induced.

    However prayer is the most efficacious avenue for us Christians.

    Finally, one more point

    Jesus taught his disciples how to pray, both in the physical and in the metaphysical.

    The Ministry of Jesus the Christ is too extensive to have been recorded in the Bible (see the words of the apostle which confirms what I have said)

    But you must take comfort that the Power of Our Almighty God has taken simple herdsmen and made them powerful in His Name.

    Seek the Kingdom of God diligently Mariposa and He will open the Door of Wisdom to you.

    But you CANNOT CONSTANTLY TRY TO DUMB DOWN THE ENCOUNTER WITH THE WORD OF GOD, you have to raise up your heart and mind to accommodate The Experience, otherwise

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  • Oh.well Hither thither and fro
    Fuh Christ sake stop uh rambling
    Jesus taught all his followers to pray there is the Beatitudes
    There is the pray in the garden of Getsahmane before he was arrested
    There is the Lords pray when his disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray
    There was no hocus pocus told to them by Jesus about metaphysical
    Jesus came in the flesh as to reveal himself as one of mankind
    As a matter of fact his baptism symbolizes in real time was a manifestation of him being one as equal with mankind
    All these miraculous hocus pocus that have been stuffed into the brain of human is for naught
    God did not send Jesus to be mystical or mythical mystery.
    His parables and miracles all symbolize human traits or failures or shortcomings which can become miraculous if man use the wisdom and knowledge of God guided by the Holy Spirit
    If one can look closer and dig into all of the parables and miracles one would see that they all have one thing in common mankind ability to help themselves and others with the little.given

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  • @ Mariposa

    It is obvious that you never read the Bible to see why Jesus himself says why he used parables.

    I leave you simpleton to your brimbling forever.

    Here are the words of Martin Lither King Jr. which speak to your affliction

    “…There is nothing more dangerous in this world than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity”

    YOU HAVE A PLENTITUDE OF ALL TWO to the umpteenth power.

    You make some people proud that they used prophylactics

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  • @ Dr. GP

    I started reading The Paper by Pink two days ago between other tasks.

    Nowadays, I read slow AS IN DELIBERATELY, because I WILL NOT EVER BE ABLE TO READ THESE THINGS AGAIN ON THIS SIDE OF THE VEIL.

    So I take my time and assimilate everything

    “…We would call attention to one other feature ere closing this Introduction and turning to the Gospels themselves.

    Behold the wisdom of God displayed in the selection of the four men whom He employed to write the Gospels.

    In each one we may discern a peculiar suitability and fitness for his task…”

    The document, which is from another website, is always open on my device, and will be, UNTIL I AM DONE READING IT!

    When i was younger i used to read 2000 page books in 10 to 12 days, but I am older now and the way i read is focused on A SELECTIVE ABSORPTION like an amoeba but with concepts.

    Ignore my explanation of this process heheheheh but know that I am reading the book

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  • PIECE
    I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE ENJOYING PINK’S WHY FOUR GOSPELS

    I AGREE YOU HAVE TO READ IT SLOWLY, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU WILL MISS THE NUGGETS IN EVERY LINE ALMOST

    IT IS AMAZING THE MINUTE DETAIL THAT HE NOTICES AS HE COMPARES THE FOUR GOSPELS

    YOU WILL SEE THIS MORE AND MORE AS YOU GO ON
    YOU CANT HELP BUT BE IMPRESSED

    WHEN YOU GET TO APPRECIATE THE TYPE OF RESOURCES I HAVE DIGESTED ON THE WORD LIKE THIEME AND PINK, ETC, YOU WILL BETTER UNDERSTAND WHY I DISMISS THE
    JOKERS HERE WITH SCORN WHEN THEY SEEK TO CONTRADICT , AND MOCK ME

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  • PIECE

    When I went to Jamaica to study in 1974 I first heard J Vernon McGee on the radio, and wrote to request his news letter and Bible book outlines.

    I learned a lot from these outlines, as he was a wonderful outliner of the Word

    Now he is offering all these outlines in a new resource called Briefing the Bible.

    Read about it below and either download it or order a free PAPER BACK copy if you are in the USA

    https://ttb.org/resources/briefing-the-bible

    Reading the Bible is one of the most important things you can ever do. Our newest resource, Briefing the Bible, is a book devoted to walking you through the pages of the Bible, book by book.

    Over the years, many have appreciated having Dr. McGee’s Notes & Outlines alongside their Bible when they study. You can still download those Notes & Outlines, by the book, by going to TTB.org/notes. But now you can also get them all in one resource–for free!

    How to Get Your Free Copy:
     Download the Digital eBook of Briefing the Bible here. This is the complete compilation of Dr. McGee’s full Notes & Outlines you’re used to, now all in one eBook!
     Request a paperback copy of Briefing the Bible be sent to you. (One per household; offer is limited to U.S. and Canadian addresses only.) This book includes Dr. McGee’s full outlines and abbreviated notes for every book of the Bible

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  • It is very important for all Bible students to have some system which they employ to work their
    way through the Bible. The divisions below, which I have used since 1977 years were taken
    from Ray Baugham’s Bible History Visualized, Moody Press 1963,
    . :
    • CREATION.
    • CONSCIENCE.
    • CAPTAIN NOAH.
    • CONFUSION OF TONGUES.
    • CALL OF ABRAM.
    • CARRYING BURDENS.
    • CAMP.
    • CONQUEST.
    • CROWN.
    • CAPTIVITY.
    • CONSTRUCTION.
    • CROSS.
    • CHURCH.
    • COMING OF CHRIST.
    • CONDEMNATION.
    CONSUMATION.

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