Submitted by Dr. GP
Psalm 22 describes the sufferings of the Lord Jesus on the cross under three headings
Psychological
Physiological
Pathological
These are followed by a Praise section in this Psalm
The emotional or Psychological suffering of Jesus is described in the first 16 verse of Psalm 22, and mirrors the reports of Matthew 26:39; Matthew. 27:39-44; Mark 15:29, 30; Luke 22:40-41 Luke 23:35.
The passion or suffering of Christ began in Gethsemane on the night just before He was crucified. Knowing that the time of his death was near, as He prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane He suffered great mental anguish in an agony with such great emphasis and earnestness, that Hebrews 5:7 describes it as ‘’ with strong crying and tears.’’
Of the many aspects of His initial suffering, the one which is of particular physiological and psychological interest is the very rare phenomenon of bloody sweat (hematidrosis or hemohidrosis.
The Physiological suffering of Jesus is described in John 10: 17-18; John 19:28 inter alia
Psalm 22:14 reads….. “I am poured out like water, “
V 15 states “My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.”
V 17 states “I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.”
The phrases “my tongue cleaveth to my jaws” and; “I may tell all my bones” suggests that Jesus experienced THIRST secondary to DEHYDRATION.
The phrase I am poured out like water, very vividly explains how His thirst and dehydration occurred.
Today, medical science allows as to understand and explain the phenomena described in these verses. This is the substance of the lecture.
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The only verse in that Psalm that parallels jesus Crucifixion is the first verse
Psalm 22 in its entirety speaks to the heart and a soul of a man ( king David) who is filled with sorrow and anguish pouring out his heart to God in a repentant manner seeking for forgiveness
@ Dr GP,
The Psalmist two first verses begin
“…My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me, so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, but I find no rest…”
Of whom speaks the Psalmist, himself or of Jesus the Christ? As he, David, echoes the very words of Our Lord and Saviour 2019 years – 33 years ago?
Was this prescience of the travails of Our Lord in Gethsemane or the sufferings of David beseiges by mortal enemies during his rule?
Forgive me for not reading your PowerPoint to get further insight but as I have said before, unless you post them outside of the Honourable Blogmaster’s servers I would be a fool (and a madman to boot) to click them
That said, I will continue my discourse without the benefit of your notes.
In the song “There is a green hill far away without a city wall…” verse 2 begins
“…We may not know, wecannot tell what pains he had to bear…”
Gethsemane was spiritual pain and Calvary was even worse pain and while my finite mind can and will never understand that pain this much I can conceive DIMLY.
Part of Triune GOD, incarnated and took on human form and suffered death , even the death of the Cross, AND SO NOT TO BE ANY MOCKERY OF THE WORD OF GOD, experienced what MUST BE AGONY, to be “seperated” from our Father.
I speak no heresy nor contemplate blasphemy but for me to have total belief in the Majesty and Omnipotence of God the Father and Holy Ghost, in my nothingness of false comprehension those Words of Jesus the Christ, at Calvary, are both Mystery, because it speak to Triune God, and Agony because it speaks to Ultimate Atonement for Sin.
David, while he might have echoed those seminal words of Our Christ follows them with what constitutes a “date and time stamp” when he says “…My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, but I find no rest…” and, to the best of my knowledge such unanswered calls DID NOT ATTEND THE DIURNAL EXPERIENCES OF JESUS THE SON!
so this reinforces David the Psalmist ‘s experience.
His was physical but when Our Christ cries out regarding being “forsaken” it was nothing temporal like the abdication of duty for the sleeping disciples in Gethsemane but it spoke to a much more profound “loss” that Christ endured and overcame.
We truly can never understand what GOD the Father meant when He says “This is My Beloved Son, in Whom I am Well Pleased”
You continue to demonstrate your idiocy on the blog. BU is hosted by WordPress; not self hosted. You claim to be so savvy. Further unsupported and dishonest allegations will be deleted.
@ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item here for Dr. GP thank you
Here is my point Honourable Blogmaster and if I am a liar you may call me that.
“Verify everything”
Let me ask you this question before you get your panties in a bunch!
When you get a document here from a blogger WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT , BEFORE YOU PUT IT ON YOUR SERVERS?
Why do you do that Honourable Blogmaster?
Why do you “clean up” submissions sent to your blog?
Since this is Sunday morning and you, like Mariposa, are suffering from selective amnesia, I will show you how savvy I am.
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And, just as my savvy self said, not 24 hours have passed before you have proven me correct.
I am but one voice of a few here who, being mindful of allegiances, always warns bloggers of the potential dangers.
Somehow the same Jesus that GP is referencing has now been replaced by Barbados Underground WHICH IS ABOVE ALL BLAME and will not compromise its morals in support of its Saviour Mugabe
If the topic is something that you genuinely support David King and you feel that people need spiritual guidance, why does it become an issue to have the pdf hosted on your wordpress AND NOT ON GOOGLE?
You guys get vex and “flamed” over inconsequential things which only seek to support your credibility IF YOU DONT GIVE ONE DONKEY IF HE POSTS HERE OR ELSEWHERE!
But um is you ting, carry on smartly
SANE SOUND SERIOUS STUDENTS OF THE SCRIPTURES SENSE THAT THE TRIAD OF PSALMS 22, 23 &24 ARE ALL MESSIANIC PSALMS AND SPEAKS OF THE LORD AS THE GOOD SHEPHERD, THE GREAT SHEPHERD, AND THE CHIEF SHEPHERD.
SANE SOUND SENSIBLE SERIOUS STUDENTS OF THE SCRIPTURES SEE ALSO THAT “THE NEW TESTAMENT IS IN THE OLD CONCEALED AND THE OLD TESTAMENT IS IN THE NEW REVEALED’
MANY SCENES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ILLUSTRATE NT DOCTRINE
E.G ABRAHAM BEING ASKED TO SACRIFICE THE ONLY OR UNIQUE SON WHOM HE LOVED IN GENESIS 22 ILLUSTRATES GOD THE FATHER SACRIFICING HIS ONLY OR UNIQUE SON WHOM HE LOVED IN HEBREWS 8
DAVID INVITING MEPHIBOSTH TO EAT AT HIS TABLE CONTINUALLY AS ONE OF THE KINGS SONS IN 2 SAMUEL 9 ILLUSTRATES THE DOCTRINE OF THE ADOPTION OF SONS IN GALATIANS 3-4
In reading the Good Book again in my ole age, I have begun reading like Tabula Rasa.
My reason is quite simple really, this time, one may not get to read it again.
Therefore, it is critical that I get the nuances which previous indoctrinations by less learnéd teachers missed or simply did not know.
While I accept the fact that the messages are Messianic
While I accept that the words pierce time to “echo” what had yet to be said by Jesus the Christ
I do not agree that the words solely refer to some physiological stimuli else what would be the singularity of His Purpose?
Would you care therefore to go deeper into the meaning of the Utterance of Jesus the Christ when He said
” My God, my God why hast Thou forsaken me?”
Or
Eloi, Eloi, Lama sabachtha?
These are my old remembrances Dr. GP and I would respectfully ask you to move past David’s prescience to the Christ’s Words
IN GENESIS 2:16-17 WE READ
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
THE HEBREW SCHOLARS TELL US THAT THE PHRASE thou shalt surely die. MAY MORE ACCURATELY BE RENDERED “DYING THOU SHALT DIE”
IN OTHER WORDS, ADAM’S DISOBEDIENCE WOULD CAUSE HIM TO DIE 1- BY BEING SEPARATED FROM GOD —that this happened immediately is seen from the narrative in chapter 3
2 – HE WOULD UNDERGO APOPTOSIS i.e he would fall like a leaf as did occur over 900 years later as recorded in Genesis 5
We therefore came into this world SEPARATED FROM GOD, and we await our APOPTOSIS
ON THE OTHER HAND THE LORD JESUS HAD NEVER EVER PREVIOUSLY BEEN SEPARATED FROM THE FATHER
SO BEFORE HE COULD EXPERIENCE DEATH BY APOPTOSIS IN DYING FOR OUR SINS, HE HAD TO ENDURE THE AGONY OF BEING SEPARATED FROM THE FATHER
HENCE HE CRIED ” My God, my God why hast Thou forsaken me?” Or Eloi, Eloi, Lama sabachtha?
NOTE THAT THIS WAS HIS ONLY CRY IN ALL HIS PHYSICAL SUFFERINGS WHETHER AT HIS MOCK TRIALS OR AT GOLGOTHA’S HILL
HE CRIED OUT WHEN HE TOOK UPON US HIS SIN AS TAUGHT IN 2 CORINTHIANS 5:21
SINCE GOD CAN NOT LOOK UPON SIN HE TURNED HIS BACK AS IT WERE IN THE DARKNESS THAT ENSHROUDED THE WHOLE LAND, AND SEPARATED HIMSELF FROM HIS SON FOR THREE HOURS
HE CRIED OUT WHEN HE TOOK UPON HIMSELF OUR SIN AS TAUGHT IN 2 CORINTHIANS 5:21
Powerful and profound
You are indeed blessed by God
@ Piece ,The Legend at 7:13 AM and 9:19 AM
You are doing quite well. Actually the God of the Hebrews expect man to challenge Him.
I concur with you that the redactors of the New Testament often quoted directly from the books of the Old Testament. Is it a a style literary or philosophical? Did the writer of Matthew benefit from the actual destruction of Jerusalem in BCE 73? Is it 20 /20 vision/prophesy?
@David BU
There is always collateral damage when reason collides with dogma.
The Psalms were Written before jesus birth and during a time when David had recognize his sinful nature had caused him to commit abominations in the eyes of God
Here is a Man (David) asking mercy and forgiveness who acknowledges that God has turned away from him and reflects and blames his sinful soul
The correlations to Jesus crucifixion is another stunning interpretation of an example of man trying to influence his thinking upon the word of God.
RE Actually the God of the Hebrews expect man to challenge Him.
PLEASE KINDLY SUPPORT YOUR VIEW BY APPROPRIATE SCRIPTURES & GIVE EXAMPLES
RE I concur with you that the redactors of the New Testament often quoted directly from the books of the Old Testament. Is it a a style literary or philosophical?
New Testament WRITERS CITE THE OLD TESTAMENT BECAUSE THEY WERE DIRECTED BY THE SPIRIT TO DO SO
THIS WAS NEITHER style literary or philosophical. THE JEWS WERE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE WORD ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTION OF DEUTERONOMY 6
RE Did the writer of Matthew benefit from the actual destruction of Jerusalem in BCE 73?
PRAY TELL US HOW HE COULD BENEFIT THEREFROM
Is it 20 /20 vision/prophesy? PRAY EXPLAIN HOW THIS COULD EVER BE SO.
@ Mariposa at 10:41 AM
I concur. Is some body conflating events here? Literary technique ? Or an attempt to breathe some familiarity into a then current event? An idea in search of an acceptable foundation?
“Consider the lilies ,they neither spin etc but Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed etc”. He took an idea familiar to the listeners and used it as a teaching tool.
RE The Psalms were Written before jesus birth and during a time when David had recognize his sinful nature had caused him to commit abominations in the eyes of God
LIKE A BROKEN CLOCK YOU ARE RIGHT OCCASIONALLY LOL
NOTE MUCH OF THE PSALMS ARE PROPHETIC
MUCH OF THE PSALMS ARE MESSIANIC- THEY SPEAK OF THE PROPHET THAT MOSES HAD PREDICTED WOULD COME IN DEUTERONOMY 18
RE The correlations to Jesus crucifixion is another stunning interpretation of an example of man trying to influence his thinking upon the word of God.
YOUR IGNORANCE IS A STARK EXAMPLE OF AN UNBELIEVER WHO IS UNABLE AND UNWILLING TO LEARN
NEVER LEARNING AND NEVER COMING TO THE TRUTH YOU ARE
@ G P
Somebody needs to inform you that you are no longer in the Rum Shop. You are on BU Blog. Please step up to the plate.
GP a word of advice /observation over the years on BU u have given enough reason for UNBELiEVERS TO SCOFF AT THE WORD.
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For the grace given to me i say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think but to think with sober judgement., each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned
Romans 12.3
Also.another word of advice to u
GP couldn’t help but pass the message and a sound interpretation of Pauls message to u.
Enjoy
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For the grace given to me i say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think but to think with sober judgement., each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned
Romans 12.3
In the context of this verse, Paul is concerned that people were thinking of themselves “more highly than [they] ought to think.” His final remedy for this pride is to say that not only are spiritual gifts a work of God’s free grace in our lives, but so also is the very faith with which we use those gifts. “. . . each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.”
This means that every possible ground of boasting is taken away from us. How can we boast if even the qualification for receiving gifts is also a gift?
the Lord is good
this morning I was able to sit in the back seat and hear some good teaching of the WORD
Psalm 22 was written before crucifixion was invented but it uncannily describes its various details (piercing of hands and feet, bones being out of joint – by being stretched as the victim hangs). In addition, the Gospel of John states that blood and water flowed out when the spear was thrust in Jesus’ side, indicating a fluid buildup in the pericardium cavity around the heart. Jesus thus died of a heart attack. This matches the Psalm 22 description of ‘my heart has turned to wax’. The Hebrew word in Psalm 22 which is translated ‘pierced’ literally means ‘like a lion’. In other words the hand and feet were mutilated and mauled as they were pierced. So, what to make of all this?
Jesus, through the pens of the Gospel writers, argued that these similarities were prophetic. God inspired Old Testament prophets hundreds of years prior to Jesus’ life to predict details of his life and death so that we can know that this was all in the plan of God. Prophetic fulfillment is like having a Divine signature on these events of Good Friday since no human can know the future like this.
there is no situation recorded in Scripture where David went through trials to the degree the psalm describes. David is going beyond himself, applying things prophetically to Christ. Thus to do justice to the psalm, we must leave David’s experience and focus on how it
applies to David’s Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. It describes a death by crucifixion hundreds of years before that mode of execution
was known. The details of the psalm were fulfilled by the Son of David, Jesus the Messiah, about 1,000 years after they were
written.
We are standing here on holy ground. If you’ve ever wondered what Jesus actually said in the Garden of Gethsemane as He
wrestled with bearing our sins (the gospels only give a brief synopsis), you probably have it here. We see here something of what our salvation cost the Savior. Though His sufferings go far beyond anything we can ever comprehend, we get a glimpse of the agonies He endured for us. The only proper response is to bow in worship and to submit ourselves afresh to do the will of Him who loved us and
gave Himself for us.
IN CONTRAST THE BU BIBLE ILLITERATES SHOOT OF AD HOMINEMS IN THEIR ABJECT IGNORANCEI
HERE IS SCHOFIELD’S NOTE FROM HIS STUDY BIBLE
NOW WE KNOW THAT VINCENT CODRINGTON AND ANGELA COLE KNOW MORE ABOUT THE BIBLE THAN SCHOFIELD
” Psalm 22is a graphic picture of death by crucifixion. The bones (of the hands, arms, shoulders, and pelvis) out of joint ( Psalm 22:14); the profuse perspiration caused by intense suffering ( Psalm 22:14); the action of the heart affected ( Psalm 22:14); strength exhausted, and extreme thirst ( Psalm 22:15); the hands and feet pierced (see Psalm 22:16, note, but cp. John 20:20 also); partial nudity with the hurt to modesty ( Psalm 22:17), are all associated with that mode of death. The accompanying circumstances are precisely those fulfilled in the crucifixion of Christ. The desolate cry of Psalm 22:1 ( Matthew 27:46); the periods of light and darkness of Psalm 22:2 ( Matthew 27:45); the contemptuous and humiliating treatment of Psalm 22:6-8; Psalm 22:12-13 ( Matthew 27:39-44); the casting lots of Psalm 22:18 ( Matthew 27:35), were all literally fulfilled. When it is remembered that crucifixion was a Roman, not Jewish, form of execution, the proof of inspiration is irresistible.” [Note: The New Scofield . . ., p610.]
MCaRTHUR ON PSALM 22
In Psalm 22, we come face to face with the suffering servant of Isaiah, face to face with the sacrificial lamb. We have in the 22nd Psalm a detailed, explicit account of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. A thousand years before Christ, David sees this remarkable scene, and in a wondrous poem pens the meaning of the suffering and the praise that flow from the cross.
It’s wonderful to think about the fact, too, that Psalm 22 is quoted seven times in the New Testament, every time in reference to Jesus Christ. It’s wonderful to realize that David was describing crucifixion, and crucifixion was something that David never even understood, something that never even occurred in his lifetime, for crucifixion was not a kind of punishment familiar to David. And so David was not simply speaking of something that was common to his mind. It wasn’t. It didn’t exist in his culture. And yet, he described it with such explicit detail, that it is as accurate a description as is that of the gospel record.
You say, “How did David know that?” Well, for one thing, in Acts chapter 2 and verse 30, the Holy Spirit says David was a prophet. David was a prophet. And so, we’re given here David’s insights from the Holy Spirit into a future that hasn’t even happened. And yet, it is so explicit that we feel much like we were there on the very day He died, gathered around the cross with the crowd of whom it says, “Sitting down, they watched Him there.” I might add, too, that there perhaps is no greater picture of the humility of the gracious sacrifice than this one in Psalm 22.
FROM CHRIST IN ALL THE SCRIPTURES
Calvary.
Psalm 22 brings us to ”the place called Calvary.” In its light, we stand at the foot of the Cross. Here and in Isaiah 53, the crucifixion is portrayed more clearly than in any other part of the Old Testament. Isaiah 53 dwells mainly on the atoning aspect of Christ’s death, Psalm 22 dwells more on His sufferings. It begins with the cry uttered by our Lord in the hour of darkness, ”My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” It closes with the words ”He hath done it,” or ”It is finished,” as it stands in the original Hebrew, identical with almost the last cry of our Saviour. It is a ”Psalm of sobs.” The Hebrew shows not one completed sentence in the opening verses, but a series of brief ejaculations, like the gasps of a dying man whose breath and strength are failing, and who can only utter a word or two at a time.
Taken together with Psalm 69, which also pictures the crucifixion, we find the whole story of the Cross given here, and the Evangelists have specially and repeatedly called our attention to it.
”I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.” (Psa 22:6)
Here is the offence of the Cross.
”All they that see Me laugh Me to scorn: they shoot out the lip” (Psa 22:6,7).
”The rulers derided Him.” ”The soldiers also mocked Him” (Luke 23:35,36).
”They shake the head, saying, He trusted on the Lord that He world deliver Him: let Him deliver Him, seeing He delighted in Him” (Psa 22:8).
”They that passed by reviled Him, wagging their heads. Likewise also the chief priests mocking Him, with the scribes and elders, said… He trusted in God; let Him deliver Him now, if He will have Him” (Mat 27:39,41,43).
”Strong bulls of Bashan have beset Me round. They gaped upon Me with their mouths” (Psa 22:12,13).
”Sitting down, they watched Him there. The thieves also, which were crucified with Him, cast the same in His teeth” (Mat 27:36,44).
”They pierced My hands and My feet.” ”All My bones are out of joint” (Psa 22:16 and 14).
The Roman method of death by crucifixion– unknown to Jewish Law– is prophesied here. The nailing to the Cross, the straining of bone and sinew. The very action of the soldiers is given in the words, ”They part My garments among them, and cast lots upon My vesture” (Psa 22:18).
”My tongue cleaveth to My jaws” (Psa 22:15).
”In My thirst they gave Me vinegar to drink” (Psa 69:21).
”Jesus… that the Scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. And they filled a sponge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to His mouth” (John 19:28,29).
A Broken Heart.
”I am poured out like water: My heart is like wax; it is melted” (Psa 22:14). ”Reproach hath broken My heart” (Psa 69:20). Here we are told the immediate cause of our Saviour’s death. He died of a broken heart. Six times, in Psalm 69, the word ”reproach” occurs. Reproach and shame and dishonor borne for others. The bearing of our sins, the hiding of His Father’s face on account of it, was what broke His heart. Oh, here we have the reproach of Christ, the offence of the Cross in all its awful solemnity! No wonder that to hold this truth still brings reproach upon His followers. [cp. Rom 9:30-33]
”Jesus, when He had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the Temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent” (Mat 27:50,51). When the soldiers came to break the legs of those that hung upon the cross, they found that Jesus was dead already, and brake not His legs. ”But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced His side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true; and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe” [John 19:34-37]. Death from a broken heart is very rare. It is caused by intense mental emotion. The loud cry, the fact of death occurring so soon, the effect of the spear-thrust, all point towards this being indeed the cause of our Lord’s death. It tallies with His own words: ”Therefore doth My Father love Me, because I lay down My life that I might take it again. No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself” [John 10:17,18].
By wicked hands He was crucified and slain.
By the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, He was delivered to death. [Acts 2:23]
By His own will, He laid down His life.
These three statements are all true in the mystery of that great sacrifice for sin.
PAUL VAN GORDER ON THE SHEPHERD PSALMS
THE SHEPHERD PSALMS (Psalms 22 – 24) —
The New Testament referred to the work of the Lord Jesus Christ as that of a shepherd in three distinct ways. They correspond to Psalms 22, 23, and 24, which present three aspects of our Lord’s ministry on earth.
The Good Shepherd (Psalm 22).
The Lord Jesus made this key statement about Himself: ”I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd giveth His life for the sheep” (John 10:11). As you read Psalm 22, you can see a picture of the Lord Jesus, who is the Good Shepherd. In your mind’s eye, you are immediately transported to Calvary. The very first verse of Psalm 22 reads, ”My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” These words were spoken by our Lord from the cross a thousand years later. James M. Gray said, ”In the gospels we read of what He said and did, and what was done to Him; in the Psalms we find how He felt and lived in the presence of God.”
In verses 7 and 8 of Psalm 22, you can almost hear the taunting of the crowd, the scorn of the people, and the words they hurled at the Savior on the cross.
Verse 16 graphically and accurately describes crucifixion, the means of capital punishment used by the Romans. This mode [of execution] was unknown to the Jews of David’s day.
Verse 18 records prophetically that the soldiers would divide the dying Messiah’s garments among themselves, casting lots for them.
The latter part of the psalm is marked by a jubilance which portrays the glory of the salvation purchased through the affliction that is so graphically described. The resurrection is not mentioned, but the Sufferer has been delivered and His people will experience indescribable blessing because of what He has done (v. 22-31).
The closing verses describe the universal nature of this blessing: it will extend down through coming generations.
The very last phrase, ”that He hath done,” is seen by some as a reference to the fact that on the cross our Lord could say, ”It is finished.”
Thus Psalm 22 is the crucifixion psalm. The Good Shepherd has given His life for the sheep.
The Great Shepherd (Psalm 23).
What tender emotions and thoughts of praise fill our hearts as we read Psalm 23! This is not a song about a dying or a dead shepherd, but of a living and leading One. It is in the present tense; it speaks of today. Christ arose from the dead to be our Great Shepherd. ”Now the God of peace that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant…” (Hebrews 13:20).
Psalm 23 is the story of the present work of Christ. It is not the work of the cross, but of the crook, the curved end of the staff used by the shepherd to lead, to guide, to direct his sheep. It is symbolic of the outstretched hand of the Shepherd in protection of His flock. Psalm 23 is the story of the abiding presence of Christ; it is the psalm of the Great Shepherd.
The Chief Shepherd (Psalm 24).
The apostle Peter wrote, ”And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away” (1Peter 5:4).
Listen! Someone is coming! Who is it? The King of Glory! Yes, One is coming who has the right to reign, for ”the earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they who dwell therein” (Psa 24:1). Psalm 24 is the psalm of the Chief Shepherd, who is coming to rule over the earth. It reminds us of Psalm 2, which is also a psalm of the King of Glory.
RICH CATHERS
22:11-21 Crucifixion
:12 Many bulls have surrounded Me; Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me.
:12 Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me
Bashan is the area east of the Sea of Galilee.
It was a place known for being good for cattle grazing, a place for fat herds.
This is referring to the strong willed people putting Jesus to death.
:13 They gape at Me with their mouths, Like a raging and roaring lion.
:14 I am poured out like water, And all My bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It has melted within Me.
:14 all My bones are out of joint
The criminal was nailed to the cross while it was on the ground, and when it was raised vertically, it was dropped into a hole, which often put the shoulders out of joint.
:14 heart … It has melted within Me
Also at the crucifixion:
(John 19:34 NKJV) But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
The soldiers did this as proof of Jesus’ death before taking Him down from the cross.
Samuel Houghton, M.D., the great physiologist from the University of Dublin, relates his view on the physical cause of Christ’s death:
“Repeated observations and experiments made upon men and animals have led me to the following results –
“it … would occur in a crucified person, who had died upon the cross from rupture of the heart … There remains, therefore, no supposition possible to explain the recorded phenomenon except the combination of the crucifixion and rupture of the heart.
From Josh McDowell’s Evidence that Demands a Verdict (pg.206-207):
He died from a broken heart.
:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And My tongue clings to My jaws; You have brought Me to the dust of death.
:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd
Part of the torture of crucifixion was the thirst felt by those hanging there exposed to the elements.
(John 19:28–29 NKJV) —28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” 29 Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth.
:16 For dogs have surrounded Me; The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me. They pierced My hands and My feet;
:16 They pierced My hands and My feet
David wrote this 200 years before crucifixion was invented by the Persians.
:17 I can count all My bones. They look and stare at Me.
:18 They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.
:18 for My clothing they cast lots
For Roman executioners, this was one of the ways they could make a little extra money, by taking the victims clothes and selling them.
This too was fulfilled at the cross,
(John 19:23–24 NKJV) —23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took His garments and made four parts, to each soldier a part, and also the tunic. Now the tunic was without seam, woven from the top in one piece. 24 They said therefore among themselves, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be,” that the Scripture might be fulfilled which says: “They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.” Therefore the soldiers did these things.
Question: “Where do the Hebrew Scriptures prophesy the death and resurrection of the Messiah?”
Answer: Throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, the promise of a Messiah is clearly given. These messianic prophecies were made hundreds, sometimes thousands of years before Jesus Christ was born, and clearly Jesus Christ is the only person who has ever walked this earth to fulfill them. In fact, from Genesis to Malachi, there are over 300 specific prophecies detailing the coming of this Anointed One. In addition to prophecies detailing His virgin birth, His birth in Bethlehem, His birth from the tribe of Judah, His lineage from King David, His sinless life, and His atoning work for the sins of His people,the death and resurrection of the Jewish Messiah was, likewise, well documented in the Hebrew prophetic Scriptures long before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ occurred in history.
Of the best-known prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures concerning the death of Messiah, Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53 certainly stand out. Psalm 22 is especially amazing since it predicted numerous separate elements about Jesus’ crucifixion a thousand years before Jesus was crucified. Here are some examples. Messiah will have His hands and His feet “pierced” through (Psalm 22:16; John 20:25). The Messiah’s bones will not be broken (a person’s legs were usually broken after being crucified to speed up their death) (Psalm 22:17; John 19:33). Men will cast lots for Messiah’s clothing (Psalm 22:18; Matthew 27:35).
Isaiah 53, the classic messianic prophecy known as the “Suffering Servant” prophecy, also details the death of Messiah for the sins of His people. More than 700 years before Jesus was even born, Isaiah provides details of His life and death. The Messiah will be rejected (Isaiah 53:3; Luke 13:34). The Messiah will be killed as a vicarious sacrifice for the sins of His people (Isaiah 53:5–9; 2 Corinthians 5:21). The Messiah will be silent in front of His accusers (Isaiah 53:7; 1 Peter 2:23). The Messiah will be buried with the rich (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57–60). The Messiah will be with criminals in His death (Isaiah 53:12; Mark 15:27).
In addition to the death of the Jewish Messiah, His resurrection from the dead is also foretold. The clearest and best known of the resurrection prophecies is the one penned by Israel’s King David in Psalm 16:10, also written a millennium before the birth of Jesus: “For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.”
On the Jewish feast day of Shavuot (Weeks or Pentecost), when Peter preached the first gospel sermon, he boldly asserted that God had raised Jesus the Jewish Messiah from the dead (Acts 2:24). He then explained that God had performed this miraculous deed in fulfillment of David’s prophecy in Psalm 16. In fact, Peter quoted the words of David in detail as contained in Psalm 16:8–11. Some years later, Paul did the same thing when he spoke to the Jewish community in Antioch. Like Peter, Paul declared that God had raised Messiah Jesus from the dead in fulfillment of Psalm 16:10 (Acts 13:33–35).
The resurrection of the Messiah is strongly implied in another Davidic psalm. Again, this is Psalm 22. In verses 19–21, the suffering Savior prays for deliverance “from the lion’s mouth” (a metaphor for Satan). This desperate prayer is then followed immediately in verses 22–24 by a hymn of praise in which the Messiah thanks God for hearing His prayer and delivering Him. The resurrection of the Messiah is clearly implied between the ending of the prayer in verse 21 and the beginning of the praise song in verse 22.
And back again to Isaiah 53: after prophesying that the Suffering Servant of God would suffer for the sins of His people, the prophet says He would then be “cut off out of the land of the living.” But Isaiah then states that He (Messiah) “will see His offspring” and that God the Father will “prolong His days” (Isaiah 53:5, 8, 10). Isaiah proceeds to reaffirm the promise of the resurrection in different words: “As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see light and be satisfied” (Isaiah 53:11).
Every aspect of the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus the Messiah had been prophesied in the Hebrew Scriptures long before the events ever unfolded in the timeline of human history. No wonder that Jesus the Messiah would say to the Jewish religious leaders of His day, “You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me” (John 5:39).
NOTE THAT THE ANSWERS ARE NOT TO BE FOUND IN THE MORONIC MOUTHINGS OF ANGELA COLE OR VINCENT CODRINGTON
DAVID HOLWICK ON PSALM 22
A Prophecy of the Cross
Psalm 22, NIV
No Christian can read Psalm 22 without being vividly confronted with the crucifixion. It is one of those prophecies which is minutely fulfilled even though it was written down more than one thousand years before Jesus walked on the earth.
Perhaps this prophecy has so much detail because the Jews were not looking for a Messiah who would die. They were looking for a conquering Messiah, a mighty King who would defeat all of Israel’s enemies and make the Jews the greatest nation on earth. He would bring immense wealth and happiness for all the Jews and he would rule forever.
Psalm 22 does not fit this pattern. As a matter of fact, it seems to be the exact opposite. There are only two reasons we know this psalm is about the Messiah. First, the end of the psalm speaks of the whole world being blessed because of the sufferings of this one individual. Second, the details of the psalm do not fit any of the events in the life of King David who wrote the psalm. As one scholar has pointed out, the psalm is not a description of an illness but of an execution.
The language of the psalm defies a naturalistic explanation. The best way to take it is to go along with the apostle Peter, who says in Acts 2:30-31 concerning another psalm of David:
“But he was a prophet… Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of … the Christ.”
The psalm describes someone who is rejected by everyone. Verses 6-8 read:
“But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people. All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: ‘He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.'”
Jesus knew that God had planned for him to be rejected by the Jews. When his disciples still saw him as a great performer of miracles and possibly the promised King of Israel, Jesus gave them this prediction, found in Matthew 20:18-19:
“We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified.”
When Jesus was arrested the gospels tell us he was mocked and slapped around by the Roman soldiers. In Matthew 27:39 it says:
“Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads.”
Go down to verses 41-43:
“In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. ‘He saved others,’ they said, ‘but he can’t save himself! He’s the King of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him….'”
The last phrase echoes Psalm 22:8 word for word, though they’re a thousand years apart. This wrong attitude is shown when Satan says during the Temptation in the Wilderness, …tell these stones to become bread … throw yourself down from the highest point of the Temple … and as the mockers say, come down from the cross! Notice the false reasoning the unbelievers use: they argue that God is there for our convenience, if he is there at all. But God is not the slave of man. Humans must submit themselves to God’s will, as Jesus did in each of these cases.
The physical details of the crucifixion in Psalm 22 begin in verse 14. Under inspiration David says, “I am poured out like water.” This refers to heavy perspiration of someone hanging in the intense sun – “And all my bones are out of joint.” This is one of the most painful aspects of crucifixion. The ligaments stretch and the bones pop out of joint. We now come to an expression which did not make much sense at all until the crucifixion: “My heart has turned to wax; it has melted away within me.” Some medical experts say that this probably refers to the rupture of Jesus’ heart caused by his great mental and physical agony. It causes immediate death and then the blood fills the sack which holds the heart. When this happens, and at almost no other time, the blood separates into its constituent parts which would look like watery plasma and blood clots. In support of this John 19:34 says Jesus died long before the other two criminals. To make sure he was dead, “one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.” David goes on to describe the intense thirst in verse 15:
“My strength is dried up like a broken piece of pottery; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws.”
Jesus said on the cross:
“I thirst.”
The description of crucifixion concludes with:
“Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me.”
“Dog” was a common slang expression the Jews used for Gentiles. Jesus was surrounded by Gentile soldiers at the crucifixion. He was crucified in the nude; this passage speaks of the shame of it. Bones stick out … and as all four gospels mention that at the foot of the cross the soldiers divided up his clothes and gambled (or cast lots) for his seamless robe.
As perfect as this passage is in its prophetic accuracy, it gains additional importance when we realize that crucifixion as a way of punishment was not known at the time David wrote this; the Jews at that time executed by stoning. It was not until about 200 B.C. when the Romans adopted this cruel practice that crucifixion was widely used – eight hundred years after this prophecy.
Crucifixion was the ultimate punishment in those days. The Romans reserved it for slaves, robbers, assassins and terrorists. Only in exceptional cases would a Roman citizen be crucified. This goes along with the ancient tradition that the apostle Peter was crucified, while Paul, a Roman citizen, was beheaded, a relatively quick and painless way to die. Crucifixion was so terrible that the Roman author Cicero wrote, “Let the very name of the cross be far away not only from the body of a Roman citizen but even from his thoughts, his eyes, his ears.”
Crucifixion was also despised by the Jews. In Old Testament times the Jews executed people by stoning but if the individual was particularly wicked, their dead body would be stuck on a stake or hung from a tree. This exposed them to public shame. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 is the decisive Old Testament passage:
“If a man guilty of a capital offense is put to death and his body is hung on a tree, you must not leave his body on the tree overnight. Be sure to bury him that same day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse.”
Everyone in the ancient world hated crucifixion. To the Romans it was utterly barbaric. To the Jews it was even worse because it showed that God had rejected the person and cursed him. This brings us to the most difficult verse in Psalm 22 and the hardest aspect of Jesus’ death for us to understand. Psalm 22:1 reads:
“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Why did Jesus quote this on the cross? Some believe Jesus did not lose faith but has the whole Psalm in mind though he does not quote it. The rest of the Psalm tells of the suffering person’s assurance that God is continually protecting him and will finally vindicate him. As it says in verse 24:
“For he has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.”
This interpretation takes much of the sting out of Jesus’ words and many people prefer it. But I think the sting of Jesus’ words should be left in because it fits in with the deepest meaning of the cross. This meaning is brought out by Paul in Galatians 3:13 – turn with me there:
“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.'”
The physical pain on the cross was terrible but the spiritual pain was far worse. As Jesus hung on the cross the sins of every human being – past, present and future — were laid on his body. The Bible teaches that sin separates us from God and causes spiritual death. We are cursed by it. Jesus took that curse and laid it on himself. While he was on the cross he was separated from God and experienced the anguish of sin that no one human can. In his death, Jesus penetrated into the deepest pit of all men’s lostness, when all worldly crutches and supports have failed them and God himself seems to be gone. And yet in Jesus’ case he did not let God go but dared to cling to him and claim him as My God, My God. Jesus’ cry of despair both dives to the depths of all men’s doubts and climbs to the height of faith.
No one can suffer as much as Jesus suffered on the cross. His suffering went beyond anything we can experience and no one can have as much faith as Jesus had. God does not expect us to but he does expect us to accept Jesus as our Lord so he can become our curse – our sings can only be removed by being placed on the cross. We receive the benefits of the cross but Jesus also said this – if you are a true disciple, a true follower of Jesus, you, too, must bear a cross.
Being a Christian cannot be reduced to plastic smiles and positive thinking. It can involve defeat, anguish and even despair. Bearing your cross involves denying yourself – you have to take your self-centeredness out of your life and make Christ the center.
MIKE MINNIX ON PSALM 22
Introduction
The message today is entitled, “The Song of the Cross.” The text is found in Psalm 22. This Psalm was written by David hundreds of years before Christ, but it describes in eerie detail the horrible events that Jesus suffered at the Cross. This Psalm is nothing short of a miracle. Written to be sung in the worship within the Tabernacle during David’s day, and later sung in the Temple, this Psalm foreshadowed the coming of the Messiah and His death at Calvary. In fact, no less than 33 prophecies of our Lord are contained in this one Psalm. This passage stands as one more convincing proof of the veracity and trustworthiness of God’s Word.
Some may ask, “Did David realize that he was writing prophecy?” We do not know for sure, but it is safe to say that he had no idea the extent to which he was writing about the Messiah when he penned this words. Nevertheless, the painful agony of Jesus is portrayed here, and the glorious victory of Christ is also seen in this passage.
It is important for us to never forsake the preaching the Cross of Christ. “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” All of us need the forgiveness which God offers to us through the blood of Jesus. Some years ago it is reported that Billy Graham wrote to the mayor of particular city where Graham was going to lead a crusade. In the letter, Graham asked the mayor to list some of the people who needed Christ. Graham was surprised when the major mailed him back to him a copy of the entire city telephone directory! Yes, everyone who will come to God must come by way of the Cross (John 14:6).
I. THE SAD NOTES IN THE SONG OF THE CROSS – PSALM 22:1-21
We begin with the mournful, plaintive tones of this song. Certainly these are some of the saddest words ever written. It begins with the words which Jesus quoted from the cross, words which serve as a bookmark telling us that this Psalm is all about Jesus. We come to this portion of the passage feeling a little like Moses at the burning bush, as if we should remove our shoes for we are on holy ground!
A. The Refusal at the Cross 22:1-6a
This song begins by revealing that God’s Son experienced divine refusal at the cross. The Father refused the Son some very specific requests. How strange and odd this is. The Father never refused the Son anything He asked for up until this time. Yet, now the Son is refused. In what ways?
He would not come Near Him 22:1
Jesus stated that the Father was far from Him. The Father and Son had been One! Now Christ is all alone. Why? Because, He who knew no sin had become sin for us. The Father turned His back on His One and Only Son. The Father abandoned the Son. The Son was separated from the Father.
He would not Hear Him 22:2
Furthermore, the Father would not hear the Son. Up until this point, the Father and Son spoke daily with each other. Now, the Father will not answer the cry of His Son.
He would not Clear Him 22:3-6
In the past, the people, the very sinful people, had cried to the Lord and He had heard them and forgiven them. Now, as Jesus is dying on the cross, the Father lays on Him the iniquity of us all. Our sins are upon Him and the Father will not hear a cry for mercy. Jesus is abandoned to die in sin, to writhe under the agonizing reality of the world’s entire weight of guilt.
Think about this, dear Christian. God is near you, God will hear you, and God has cleared you, but He would not do that for His own Son. In fact, the very reason He will come near you, and hear you and clear you, is because Jesus took our punishment on that cross. The songwriter was correct when he penned,
“Man of sorrows, what a name,
For the Son of God who came,
Ruined sinners to reclaim,
Hallelujah, what a Savior!”
B. The Ridicule at the Cross 22:6b-8
But there is still more to this sad portion of Psalm 22, The Song of the Cross.
Scorned 22:6b
They scorned Him. What does this mean? They laughed at Him. The soldiers who crucified Him played a game at His expense. They blindfolded Him and slapped Him, asking, “Who stuck you?” Jesus was silent. And they laughed Him to scorn! They put a crown of thorns on His head and cried, “Hail, King of the Jews,” and as the blood trickled down His face, they laughed Him to scorn.
Despised 22:6b
The religious leaders and people despised Him. They hated Him. They were disgusted by Him. He came in love and mercy, but the Bible reports that He came unto His own and His own received him not.
He was so despised that they spat on him and their spittle ran down his precious face. He was so despised that they stripped him of his clothing and he was left naked on the cross.
Mocked 22:7-8
They cried out with insults of very kind toward Him as He hung on that cross. They said, “Hey, Jesus, you saved others, why don’t you save yourself?” Surely they must have cried out all kinds of insults. Perhaps they shouted, “Hey, Carpenter boy, you got nails in your hands, where is your hammer?” Oh, the sadness of it. Oh, the horror of it. Relentlessly, and mercilessly, they mocked Him as He died.
C. The Rejection at the Cross 22:9-22
1. Vicious Rejection (Bashan) 9-13a
His rejection was more than mere words. The bulls of Bashan mentioned in this passage refers to bulls that were raised in plush vegetation and were extremely strong and vicious. Jesus was surrounded by vicious, hateful people who were fed on the world and led by the devil.
Vile Rejection (lion) 13b-15
The word lion speaks of the devil. He is the roaring lion who goes about seeking whom he may devour. His wicked hands were behind this entire event. He wanted to get rid of Jesus from the beginning. He tried to destroy Him right after He was born. He prompted Herod to send soldiers to kill all the male babies 2 years of age and under in Bethlehem. He tried to kill Him in the Wilderness during the Temptation of our Lord. He prompted people to try to kill Jesus on more than one occasion. Finally, he was getting what he wanted. But, he would not want what he got when he got what he wanted. The devil did not realize that the death of Jesus at the Cross would be the final undoing of his evil empire. But, Oh, how vile and wicked was his scheme and attack on Christ.
Violent Rejection 14-21
Here we see the description of the violent acts against the Lord, Jesus Christ. His hands and feet were pierced. His bones were separated as He hung upon the cross. His body was beaten, he was denied water, and he was left to struggle for one breath of air. Just think of it. The Son of God who created the trees, was made to hang from one. The Son of God who had created the air we breath was made to gasp for every breath of air for His lungs while on the Cross. The Son of God who came to give life was giving up His life for us.
Our Lord endured the cross, despising its shame. We must never be ashamed of the Cross of Christ. Symbols are important in our day. The Nike swoosh is recognized the world over. The Master’s Golf Tournament symbol is renowned. But no symbol on earth is more abused than the cross. Rock stars wear it on stage. Prostitutes where it around their necks. Drug users where it sometimes as a tattoo. But the cross speaks of life and forgiveness to the true child of God. Our Lord endured it, we must uphold it!
II. THE GLAD NOTES IN THE SONG OF THE CROSS PSALM 22:22-31
How wonderful to keep reading in this Psalm till we come to verse 22 and following. For the sad notes of the song turn to glad notes in the song. Thank God that the story of the cross does not end at the cross. Though we will consider the resurrection of Jesus next week, we must see the sound of victory in this very Psalm. Everyday is victory day for those who have trusted in the One who overcame the grave and death. Note three things in the second section of this song.
A. The Promise of His Resurrection 22:22-25
He went to the Cross promising to His disciples that He would be raised from the dead. He is alive. And now He promises to all who believe upon Him and accept Him as Lord that they, too, will live forever. Death will have no victory over us. Glory to His name!
B. The Praise of the Redeemed 22:26
The redeemed praise Him. We lift Him up. That is why we meet together. The church is not a holier-than-thou club of do-gooders. Church is a blood bought family coming to the Father’s table and thanking Him for Jesus who died for us. Church is a place where once sin-sick souls, now healed by the power of the Great Physician, come to thank the One who saved and keeps them. Church is where people who need the Redeemer find Him! Where two or more of His disciples meet, He has promised to be present.
C. The Power of His Reign 22:27-31
The prophecy declared that His reign will reach to the ends of the earth. In fact, the prophecy has been fulfilled – his powerful influence has been felt on every continent. People will come into the Kingdom from every corner of the globe – from every kindred, tongue, language and people they have come to bow before Him! They bow down and worship the One who died on that cross and rose triumphantly from the dead!
@ GP November 24, 2019 2:53 PM
“Thus to do justice to the psalm, we must leave David’s experience and focus on how it applies to David’s Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. It describes a death by crucifixion hundreds of years before that mode of execution was known. The details of the psalm were fulfilled by the Son of David, Jesus the Messiah, about 1,000 years after they were written.”
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Yet the very Jews of King David’s lineage up to this day do NOT accept Jesus as any Messiah far less the only begotten son of Yahweh.
How do you GP, the self-appointed doctor of Divinity explain that?
Does the Psalm 22 foretell this rejection of Jesus?
Which book of Psalms foresee the birth and rise of Prophet Muhammad the founder of the other major branch of the Abrahamic family tree of faith? Isn’t the prophet also one the “Sons of David”?
CHUCK SMITH ON PSALM 22
Psalm 22:1-31 is one of those prophetic psalms which stands out probably among all of the Messianic psalms. This psalm is again a psalm of David, and it is a very graphic description of death by crucifixion. Now, at the time that David wrote this, stoning was the method of capital punishment. Actually, it was almost1000 years later that crucifixion was introduced by the Romans as a form of capital punishment. So that David would describe death by crucifixion is sort of a miracle in itself, and yet, inspired by the Holy Spirit, he wrote graphically of the death of Jesus Christ. The very first phrase of this psalm was quoted by Jesus on the cross. As Jesus cried out,
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? ( Psalm 22:1 )
In that cry of Jesus from the cross, we understand more completely the agony in the garden, as He was seeking to, if possible, escape the cross. For in the garden we read that He was praying, “Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Nevertheless, not My will, Thy will be done” ( Matthew 26:39 ). And that thrice repeated prayer in the garden, sweating as it were great drops of blood to the ground. The agony of Christ in the garden is explained of the cry of Christ on the cross, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” But He was forsaken of God for a moment. And the reason for His being forsaken is given to us in this psalm in verse Psalm 22:3 . But He was forsaken by God for a moment in order that you would not have to be forsaken by God eternally. He was forsaken by God when God placed upon Him the iniquities of us all. He bore the penalty of our sin.
You see, sin always results in separation from God. God said to Adam, “In the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die” ( Genesis 2:17 ). Talking about spiritual death, where man”s spirit is separated from God. Now when the Bible talks about death, as a general rule, it is talking about spiritual death which is the separation of a man”s soul and spirit from God. We talk about death when a man”s soul and spirit are separated from his body, but you may be walking around, all of your body motor functions working, and seem to be very much alive, but God looks at you and says, “Hey, you”re dead.” Your soul and spirit are separated from God; your spirit is dead. “You,” Paul said, “hath He made alive who were dead in your trespasses and sins” ( Ephesians 2:1 ).
So here we see when Jesus took upon Himself all of our sin, because sin does separate from God, as Isaiah the prophet said in chapter59 , “God”s hand is not short that He cannot save, neither is His ear heavy that He cannot hear, but your sins have separated you from God.” Always the result or the effect of sin. So when God laid on Him the iniquities of us all. The cry, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?”
So Jesus identifies this psalm. Maybe He was trying to give a hint to the disciples, “Go back home and read the psalm, you”ll know what”s going on. Read the whole thing, you”ll understand what is happening.” The rabbis would often in those days just give you the first verse of a psalm and expect you to go home and do your homework, read the whole thing. Maybe Jesus was following one of their methods, just giving them the first verse of the psalm, knowing that then they would then go search out the whole psalm.
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? O my God, I cry in the daytime, and thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent ( Psalm 22:1-2 ).
Remember that darkness covered the land, and so crying in the day, crying in the night, the darkness. But the reason why the separation, forsaken:
But thou art holy, O thou that inhabits the praises of Israel ( Psalm 22:3 ).
The holy God could not be in fellowship with sin. It is impossible that a holy God be one with sin. And the word fellowship means a oneness, a community, a commonness. When God placed upon Jesus the sins of us all, it brought that separation. “For Thou art holy,” the reason for His being forsaken.
Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and you delivered them. They cried, and they were delivered: they trusted, and were not confounded. But I am a worm, and no man; I am a reproach of men, and despised of the people ( Psalm 22:4-6 ).
This, of course, was prophesied in the fifty-third chapter of Isaiah, how He would be despised and rejected of men. “A reproach of men, I am despised of the people.”
All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake their head, saying, He trusted in the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him ( Psalm 22:7-8 ).
Remember the high priest and all when Jesus was hanging on the cross, they said, “Ha ha! He trusted in the Lord to deliver Him. Now let Him come down if He is truly the Messiah, and we will worship Him.” All of these things.
But thou art he that took me out the womb: you did make me hope when I was upon my mother”s breasts. I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother”s belly ( Psalm 22:9-10 ).
Now, again, where does consciousness, or where does life begin? If there is indeed something within the plants of some form of primitive understanding, or maybe it is highly sophisticated, more highly than we are. Who knows? They have found that there is quite a consciousness of the child in the fetal state. That from the tenth week or so, about the twelfth week the child begins to have very normal functions, sleeping, the awake times. If the mother yells, it might wake up the child. Runs down the stairs. And at that point it begins to recognize the mother”s voice, and that is why the child is always more comfortable with the mother than even with the grandmother when it is first born. Because it is used to the mother”s voice; it has been hearing it for sixth months. After the third month the child begins to hear the mother”s voice. “Thou art my God from my mother”s belly.” And so it speaks really of an awareness, a consciousness. “You did make me hope when I was upon my mother”s breast.”
Be not far from me; for my trouble is near; for there is none to help. Many bulls have compassed me: the strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion ( Psalm 22:11-13 ).
Now, again, descriptive of the cross:
I am poured out like water ( Psalm 22:14 ),
Remember when they thrust the spear in His side, there came forth blood and water.
all my bones are out of joint ( Psalm 22:14 ):
One of the things that takes place during crucifixion, as a person is hanging there, and usually held there by the spikes, your muscles after awhile begin to fatigue and give way. And when your muscles give way, your body begins to drop and actually the joints, because the muscles have fatigued, the joints begin… your body begins to fall out of joint, actually, from the hanging there. And this description of all my bones are out of joint, of course, the excruciating pain of the joints loosening, often killed the prisoner.
my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue ( Psalm 22:14-15 )
That thirst, that horrible thirst that you receive when you are hanging there, and through the sweat your body liquids are dissipated. Then you get that horrible thirst, the dry mouth, the cotton taste.
my tongue cleaves to my jaws; for thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet ( Psalm 22:15-16 ).
Now, the Jehovah Witnesses seek to teach us that Jesus was crucified on a pole, that the cross is actually the pagan Tou symbol, and so the church is actually worshipping a pagan symbol. They tell this to all of their poor deceived people. And they then quote from a sixteenth century book and show them the pictures of this sixteenth century book written by a monk in which he describes the struttural, the pole, and the many methods of crucifixion of the Roman government. And he shows the picture of this man who is crucified on a pole, his hands above his head, one spike through his hands, and then, of course, the one spike through his feet. And they say that the church, in picturing Christ on a t-shaped cross, actually the pagan symbol Tou, and the whole church is following Babylonian paganism and so forth; the whole church is Babylon. We are the only ones that tell you the truth. And they deceive the people. It is interesting that in the New Testament it speaks about the nails, plural, in His hands. The nails, plural, in His hands.
“They pierced My hands and My feet.” What the Jehovah Witnesses didn”t tell the people is that this same sixteenth century author and the book that they take the picture from, and they quote him, supposedly translating the Latin that is there, they don”t tell the people that they have mistranslated the Latin that is there, and on two pages further on the book, he has the t-shaped cross. And he says this no doubt is the kind of the cross that Jesus was crucified on, because it refers to their nailing the nails through His hands and His feet. And they don”t tell the people that they have deceived them. They have taken one page of the book, mistranslated the Latin from it, and a couple of pages later, the same author in the same book shows the type the cross that we usually think of when we think of the cross, and says “This no doubt is the shape of the cross that Jesus was crucified on.” But that”s what I say, they are… I feel sorry for the people that are deceived. It is the leaders in New York that are going to have to really answer to God for the deception of these poor people around the United States, keeping them in deception and darkness. My heart goes out to them.
I may tell all my bones: for they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture ( Psalm 22:17-18 ).
Now you remember when Jesus was crucified, they tore His garment, divided it into four, but with the coat they said, “Oh this coat is nice. It been woven all the way from the top to the bottom without any seam. Let”s not tear it; let”s cast lots to see whose this will be.” So here it was prophesied. Now Schoenfield, who is called a scholar by many of those men who like to pat each other on the back and tell each other how brilliant they are, declared that the whole Passover, crucifixion of Jesus was a gigantic plot that Jesus set up. And that the disciples had spiked the vinegar that they finally put to His lips, to put Him in a swoon so that they would think that He was dead. And that after they had buried Him, of course, the disciples came and whisked Him away. And it was just all a big plot, and Jesus set the whole thing up. He deliberately angered them. He deliberately set the whole thing up so that He actually plotted the whole crucifixion and everything else. And it was just a big, gigantic plot of Jesus. Well, it was very ingenious of Jesus to somehow get the soldiers to go along with the plot and not to tear His robe, but to cast lots for it. That was very clever of Him indeed. And even to get the high priest to go along and say, “Oh, He saved others, Himself He cannot save. If He is the Son of God, then let Him come down. He said He delights in Him, okay, if God wants Him then let Him save Him.” Schoenfield just turns out to be a liar like so many others and his book of fraud. And it turns out that Schoenfield”s book is the fraud, not Jesus. As is always the case.
But in one sense, of course, it was a plot, and Jesus was a part of the plot. It was a plot that was hatched by God before the foundations of the earth. For Christ was crucified before the foundations of the earth. “You, according to God”s predetermined council and foreknowledge, with your wicked hands have crucified and slain” ( Acts 2:23 ). You see, when Peter talks about the cross, he talks about prophecy, the foreknowledge of God. Yes, it was a plot. God plotted it a long time ago, and Jesus carried it out. But it is your salvation and it is my salvation.
But be not far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me. Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog. Save me from the lion”s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorn ( Psalm 22:19-21 ).
Now on the altars they had on each corner of an altar a horn, a single horn going up as the horn of a unicorn. And when they were really desperate and really wanting to cry out unto God, they go unto the altar and they”d grab hold of the horns of this unicorn. You remember when Joab, the general of David was… after David, when he was dying he said to Solomon, “Now Joab has spilt so much blood, now take care of him. Don”t let his old gray head go down to the grave in peace.” And so when Solomon was doing the cleanup for David, after David”s death, he ordered them to bring Joab, because of all of the innocent blood that he had shed, in order that he might give his life. And Joab ran into the altar and he grabbed hold of the horns of the altar. And the guy came back and said, “He is holding on to the horns of the altar.” Well, when they were really desperate they would run in and grab hold of the horns of the altar, and there they would pray and intercede unto God. And so here it speaks of that kind of intercession from the horns of the unicorn.
I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation I will praise thee. Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel. For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard ( Psalm 22:22-24 ).
God heard Jesus when He cried.
My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him. The meek shall eat and be satisfied: and shall praise the LORD. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the LORD ( Psalm 22:25-27 ):
Now the salvation that went out to the Gentiles is predicted.
with all the families of the nations they”ll worship before thee. For the kingdom is the LORD”S: and he is the governor among the nations. And all they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him ( Psalm 22:27-29 ):
So the intimation of the resurrection. “Even those that have gone down into the dust of the earth, shall bow before Him.” In Philippians we read, “God has given Him a name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow,” every knee shall bow, “and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord to the glory of God the Father.” So God has given to Him the kingdom. The kingdom is the Lord”s. He is the governor.
and all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: none can keep his own soul alive. A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the LORD for a generation. They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this ( Psalm 22:29-31 ).
And so the gospel has come to us, of the glorious work of Jesus Christ in His death for our sins. The fulfillment of Psalm 22:1-31 . “
MILLER
RE Yet the very Jews of King David’s lineage up to this day do NOT accept Jesus as any Messiah far less the only begotten son of Yahweh.
THIS IS VERY TRUE……………………FOR NOW.
YOU ALWAYS REHEARSE THIS BUT HAVE YOU NOT EVER READ THE END OF THE STORY THAT OCCURS AFTER THE TRIBULATION PERIOD?
The people of Israel are still precious to God. The Old Testament promised that the nation of Israel would be restored in the last times (see Ezekiel 11:17). This prophecy was fulfilled in 1948. Even though Israel was destroyed and its people scattered abroad because of their unbelief, God said He would rebuild the nation just prior to the end of the age. At the climax of history the Israelis will turn to God, and the nation will once again become a center of God’s revelation to all mankind (see Zechariah 12:10). The law will go forth from Jerusalem, and all the nations will come to Jerusalem to learn the law of the Lord (see Isaiah 2:2-3). At that time, the natural sons of Abraham will be exalted, along with those who, through faith in Jesus Christ, have become sons of Abraham after the Spirit. So in the last days the Jews and the church will share a wonderful glory (see Romans 11:25-26).
GP IS NOT A self-appointed doctor of Divinity …I DO HOWEVER HAVE A DMin
re Does the Psalm 22 foretell this rejection of Jesus?
actually IT DOES. PSALM 22 IS A MESSIANIC PSALM THAT DOES JUST THIS ALONG WITH ISAIAH 53
RE Isn’t the prophet also one the “Sons of David”?
HE IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT
RE Which book of Psalms foresee the birth and rise of Prophet Muhammad the founder of the other major branch of the Abrahamic family tree of faith?
NONE THE Prophet Muhammad IS NOT DESCRIBED OR ADDRESSED IN THE BIBLE
There are several interpretations given by Christian religiuos scholars about this Psalms
Most notably those who are hard nosed belivers in prophesy cannot help but resist interpreting this Psalm as one written as prophetic to jesus crucifixion
When in fact the contents of the Psalms lends themselves to a personnel circumstances to a David a man who might have felt unabearable sorrow in his soul with great insight to the pain and sorrow he felt
Since no one was there when he wrote the Psalm it would be presumptuous on any ones part to conclude or even suggest that the. Psalm can be a used as a prophesy to the crucifixion
Here is another bible scholar interpretation of this psalm
Word list
suffering ~ feeling a lot of pain; hurting badly
hind ~ a female deer: a deer is like a big goat
agony ~ when it hurts very much
Psalm 22:1 – 5 This is a very sad psalm until verse 21. We do not know when David wrote this psalm. Verses 1 and 2 tell us that David was in agony. We do not know where the pain was. Perhaps it was all over his body. He asked God for help. God did not answer. “You send me no peace” means “I am still crying because you give me no help”. David thinks that God has forgotten him! But David remembered in verses 3 – 5 that God always gave help. He gave help to the fathers of Israel. This means all the Jews that lived before David. This made David sad. God always gave help to his people. Why did God not give help to David? So the psalm begins
“Why have you left me by myself
I purposely added this summary as a reference guide to show differing interpretations
@ Mariposa at 3:52 PM
Fret not yourself with GP. He has a cognitive bias for Bible commentators with a literal approach to the Bible and Christianity.
PIECE
YOU SAY YOU WONT READ THE PPT SO I WILL PUT THE FIRST PART OF THE PRESENTATION HERE
SEE IF YOU CAN LEARN ANYTHING FROM IT
Psalm 22 describes the sufferings of the Lord Jesus on the cross under three headings
Psychological
Physiological
Pathological
There is also a Praise section
PSYCHOLOGICALLY
The emotional suffering of Jesus is described in
Psalm 22:1-16,
Matthew 26:39 Matthew. 27:39-44 ;
Mark 15:29, 30;
Luke 22:40-41 Luke 23:35.
The Psychological aspects of Psalm 22 appear in the first 16 verse of this chapter, and mirrors the reports of Matt. 27:39-44 ; Mark 15:29- 30; Luke 23:35.
The passion or suffering of Christ began in Gethsemane on the night just before He was crucified. Knowing that the time of his death was near, as He prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane He suffered great mental anguish in an agony with such great emphasis and earnestness, that Hebrews 5:7 describes it as ‘’ with strong crying and tears.’’
Of the many aspects of His initial suffering, the one which is of particular physiological and psychological interest is the very rare phenomenon of bloody sweat (hematidrosis or hemohidrosis.
Interestingly enough, the physician, St. Luke, is the only evangelist to mention this occurrence as recorded in Luke 22:44 possibly because of his interest as a physician in this rare physiological phenomenon, which spoke eloquently of our Lord’s struggle and the intense spiritual agony Jesus was suffering.
“And being in agony, He prayed more earnestly. Then His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground.”
Of the four gospel writers, only Dr. Luke referred to Jesus’ ordeal as “agony” (agonia).
Only Dr. Luke points out that it was because of this agony over things to come that during His prayer “his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.”
Only Dr. Luke referred to Jesus’ sweat (idros)—a much-used term in medical language of the day.
And only Luke referred to Jesus’ sweat as consisting of great drops of blood (thromboi haimatos)
The term: “ ‘As clots,’ thromboi, means that the blood mingled with the sweat and thickened the globules so that they fell to the ground in little clots and did not merely stain the skin”
The Greek word hosei (“as it were”) refers to condition, not comparison.
The intention of the Evangelist seems clearly to be, to convey the idea that the sweat did not fall like drops of blood, but that the sweat was coloured with blood, i.e there was actual blood in the sweat.
Every attempt imaginable has been used by modern scholars to explain away the phenomenon of bloody sweat, as hyperbole, apparently under the mistaken impression that it simply does not occur.
Some have thought that the meaning of the words is, that the sweat was so profuse that every drop seemed to be as large as a drop of blood, not that the sweat was blood itself.
Others think the words do not necessarily imply, that this sweat was blood, or that there was blood in it; only that his sweat, as it came out of his body, and fell on the ground, was so large, and thick, and viscous, that it looked like drops, or clots of blood.
Others posit that what really happened is that the pores of Christ’s body were so opened, that along with sweat came out blood, which flowed from him; and as it fell on the ground, it was so congealed by the cold in the night season, that it became really, as clots of blood upon the earth.
However, this is not hyperbolic speech as some opine.
Though very rare, the phenomenon of hematidrosis, or bloody sweat, in which, under great emotional stress, tiny blood vessels called capillaries in the sweat glands in the skin can rupture thus mixing blood with sweat , as described in Luke 22:44, is well documented In the medical literature.
A thorough search of the medical literature demonstrates that this phenomenon where there is excretion of blood or blood pigment in the sweat is a very real, and well-known medical condition.
We can thus conclude quite justifiably that the terminology used by the gospel writer to refer to the severe mental distress experienced by Jesus was intended to be taken literally—i.e., that the sweat of Jesus became bloody.
Hematidrosis is the name given to the rare occurrence of tiny blood capillaries in the sweat glands that rupture causing an oozing of blood to occur through the skin.
“Hematohidrosis” is known to be precipitated by stress, strain, or any sort of great exertion,
When 76 cases of hematidrosis were studied and classified into categories according to causative factors, acute fear and intense mental contemplation were found to be the most frequent inciting causes.
While the extent of blood loss generally is minimal, hematidrosis also results in the skin becoming extremely tender, so that even simple physical insults to the skin become even more painful.
Around the sweat glands, there are multiple tiny blood vessels called capillaries in a net-like form.
Under conditions of great emotional stress the vessels constrict. Then as the anxiety passes the blood vessels dilate to the point of rupture. The blood then goes into or effuses into the sweat glands.
As the sweat glands are producing a lot of sweat, it pushes the blood to the surface – thus mixing blood with perspiration- coming out as droplets of blood mixed with sweat.
Hematidrosis is a condition in which capillary blood vessels that feed the sweat glands rupture, causing them to exude blood,
The intense anguish and sorrow Jesus felt was certainly understandable. Clearly he was in intense spiritual agony.
What was the source of Jesus great stress and anguish?
Being God, Christ knew in detail everything that was going to happen to Him” (John 18:4).
Had he not predicted as is recorded in Matthew 20:18&19 and Mark 10:33 “Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him”?
He knew in painstaking detail the events that were to follow soon after He was betrayed by one of His very own disciples.
He knew He was about to undergo several illegal trials where all of the witnesses against Him would lie.
He knew that “His own” (John 1:12) who had hailed Him as the Messiah only days earlier would now be screaming for His crucifixion (Luke 23:23).
He knew that he was physically facing one of the most horrible forms of capital punishment there has ever been.
He knew He would be flogged nearly to the point of death before they pounded the metal spikes into His flesh.
He knew the prophetic words of Isaiah spoken seven centuries earlier that He would be beaten so badly that He would be “disfigured beyond that of any man” and “beyond human likeness” (Isaiah 52:14).
There could not be a more dreadful moment in the history of man as this moment. Jesus who came to save us, realizes the horror of what is going to happen to him, and what He is about to endure.
He is about to be engulfed in the raging sea of sin, as the burden of all the sins of humanity for a moment overwhelm the humanity of our Savior.
Crucifixion was considered to be the most painful and torturous method of execution ever devised and was used on the most despised and wicked people.
In fact, so horrific was the pain that a word was designed to help explain it—excruciating, which literally means “from the cross.”
His body was human, and he would feel everything at least as intensely as we would.
Was this the source of his severe stress?
Certainly, all of these things and thoughts factored into His great anguish and sorrow, causing Him to sweat drops of blood.
It is evident that even before Jesus endured the torture of the cross, He suffered far beyond what most of us will ever suffer.
His penetrating awareness of the heinous nature of sin, its destructive and deadly effects, the sorrow and heartache that it inflicts, and the extreme measure necessary to deal with it, make the passion of Christ beyond all comprehension.
The really great weight upon Jesus was the knowledge that he would soon bear the terrible trauma of taking the guilt for all of our sins upon him—my sins and yours.
He knew that under this weight of sin, the Father would forsake him and thus he would endure a form of hell itself for lost sinners.
We are the reason Jesus’ soul was overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Indeed, these bloodied sweat drops came at a great cost; let us never forget that.
Anticipating all of the factors we have listed were the source of his severe stress that were the cause of his psychological agony, in the garden, that led to his hematohidrosis.
From the time of His arrest in the garden until the time our Lord stated, “It is finished” (John 19:30), Scripture records only one instance where Jesus “cried out in a loud voice” or cried out at all! (Matthew 27:46).
As our sinless Savior bore the weight of the world’s sins on His shoulders, His Father must have looked away, as His “eyes are too pure to look on evil” (Habakkuk1:13), causing the suffering Servant to cry out “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”—“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Psalm 22:1; Matthew 27:46).
The spiritual pain of this feeling of abandonment no doubt greatly exceeded the intense physical pain the Lord endured on our behalf.
We read of Jesus’ level of anguish in Matthew 26:38; cf. Mark 14:34) thus “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death”
In Matthew 26:39, we read………
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
What was in the cup that Jesus spoke of in this passage?
The pollution of sin
=> 2 Corinthians 5:21
The punishment of sin
=> Isaiah 53:10
=> Romans 8:32
=> Luke 22:44
I suggest that contemplation of the above was more than enough psychological agony, that led to his hematohidrosis, and helps us to in a small way understand the prophecy of the psychological suffering of our Lord, as presented in Psalm 22.
@ GP November 24, 2019 3:48 PM
“RE Which book of Psalms foresee the birth and rise of Prophet Muhammad the founder of the other major branch of the Abrahamic family tree of faith?
NONE THE Prophet Muhammad IS NOT DESCRIBED OR ADDRESSED IN THE BIBLE”
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So, in your epistemological view, the Bible has nothing to say about Muslims who are giving the Christians a run for their church collection money?
Yet it predicts, according to you, the role of the USA in the battle of Armageddon?
Can you explain to the BU biblical ignoranti what ‘is’ the relationship between the Jew Abraham and the half-caste Egyptian Ishmael?
If Jesus is a descendant of Abraham then, my biblical myopic friend, by a process of ancestral deduction Jesus has to be related to Ishmael.
Or is your Jewish and Christian Yahweh not hearing the cries of the children of Ishmael?
RE Fret not yourself with GP. He has a cognitive bias for Bible commentators with a literal approach to the Bible and Christianity.
WHEN YOU READ THE ADVOCATE OR BARBADOS TODAY OR THE NATION DO YOU NOT INTERPRET IT LITERALLY
WHAT LITERATURE DOES ANY ONE APPROACH EXCEPT LITERALLY
WHY SHOULD TE BIBLE NOT BE INTERPRETED LITERALLY
RE Most notably those who are hard nosed belivers in prophesy cannot help but resist interpreting this Psalm as one written as prophetic to jesus crucifixion
DOES THIS PEST KNOW THAT MOST OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS PROPHESY?
RE When in fact the contents of the Psalms lends themselves to a personnel circumstances to a David a man who might have felt unabearable sorrow in his soul with great insight to the pain and sorrow he felt
I HAVE NEVER MET BIBLE ILLITERATES OF THIS CALIBRE ANY WHERE IN THE LAST 50 YEARS
RE So, in your epistemological view, the Bible has nothing to say about Muslims
NO IT DOES NOT
RE who are giving the Christians a run for their church collection money?
IN MY CHURCH WE HAVE NO PAID WORKERS
AFTER BASIC CHURCH EXPENSES ANY COLLECTION IS DONATED TO RETURNED MISSIONARIES OR SENT TO ACTIVE MISSIONARY ENDEAVOR
OUR EMPHASIS IS TEACHING THE BIBLE AND SEEKING TO LIVE FOR CHRIST
I IMAGINE THAT GOD IS ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE MUSLIMS
Yet it predicts, according to you, the role of the USA in the battle of Armageddon?
THE BIBLE DOES NOT ADDRESS THE USA in the battle of Armageddon OR AT ALL AT THE ESCHATON
Can you explain to the BU biblical ignoranti what ‘is’ the relationship between the Jew Abraham and the half-caste Egyptian Ishmael?
YOU CAN READ THIS FOR YOURSELF IN GENESIS
RE If Jesus is a descendant of Abraham then, my biblical myopic friend, by a process of ancestral deduction Jesus has to be related to Ishmael. Or is your Jewish and Christian Yahweh not hearing the cries of the children of Ishmael?
I SUGGEST THAT YOU ASK VINCENT CODRINGTON AND ANGELA COLE TO READ GALATIANS FOUR UN- LITERRALY AND EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU SIR
RETIRED MISSIONARIES
@ GP November 24, 2019 5:33 PM
“ RE So, in your epistemological view, the Bible has nothing to say about Muslims
NO IT DOES NOT”
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So you can expect to see No Muslims at the time of the rapture queuing up enter Paradise, not so?
So how then can there be an Armageddon without Jihadist Muslims waging an eternal war of biblical proportion against the chosen children of Yahweh; that is, the modern-day Jews in receipt of the express military support of the white Americans?
If not the Muslims who will soon outnumber Christians, globally, speaking, against whom would the Jews be fighting in this final war to destroy the infidels?
Would it be the Eastern Orthodox Christians, Pagans, Hindus or Chinese?
PS: Don’t forget that Israel’s biggest enemies today can be found right in its Islamic backyard or Muslim ‘front’ house; however you want to view it.
Now here is a xmas story with a twist
CASH DONATIONS STOLEN FROM SALVATION ARMY’S CHRISTMAS KETTLE
The Salvation Army reported the theft of its Collection Kettle at Massey Rendezvous in Christ Church, the first such theft in the 120 years in which the army has been in existence in Barbados.
Forensics officer from the RBPF dusking the stolen kettle for prints
Apparently the Salvation Army volunteer seeing after the kettle apparently left their station for just a few minutes when the thief struck outside the normally busy supermarket.
The kettle was later recovered at the rear of the nearby Peronne Plaza, with padlocks intact the but cover forced open and all the paper money stolen and the coins left behind.
Major Daryl Wilkinson Divisional Commander of the Salvation Army for Barbados told our Wendy Burke this is something they never expected to happen
How does it profit a nation to grow economically and lose its moral compass?
miller November 24, 2019 7:29 PM
see if you can pick sense from this passage
Psalm 2
1 Why do the nations conspire[a]
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”
4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my king
on Zion, my holy mountain.”
7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
He said to me, “You are my son;
today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron[b];
you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”
10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear
and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry
and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
@Vinny
“How does it profit a nation to grow economically and lose its moral compass?”
I came to the conclusion that whatever is done by way of laws/policy is nothing more than window dressing.
Something is wrong with our people. There is no fixing Barbados until the people see the error of some of their ways.
I do not know the fix, but I believe classes that talks of pride, nationhood, patriotism, honesty, the responsibilities of good citizens … are desperately needed.
I was following a post where people were stealing fixtures from public pipes at some beaches. Is it that people believe that they are not vested in tourism in anyway? Why blemish the nation at a point where we will be in contact with tourists?
Why inconvenience fellow citizens?
A next post had a church tapped into a person’s water connection. That is theft…a church could not figure that out?
Forget politicians, policy, integrity legislation, sunshine laws …. We need to start by fixing the people.
Sorry GP .
Hi
I follow, but did not plan to comment.
A country in moral decay would resort to any thing
First the kettle then the pot then the stove
@ Dr GP my fellow myope
I did not say that I did not want to read your PowerPoint presentations
I do want to read them and this is why I had suggested the other route of posting attachments when I sint you the you tube video 3 weeks ago.
All I was suggesting was an alternative digital route which gives any reader ( of which I am one) an option that felt safe with.
PIECE
ALL THAT BEING SO WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED FROM THE The Psychological aspects of THE LORD’S SUFFERINGS AS REPORTED IN THE FIRST HALF OF MY PPT
CAN YOU RISE ABOVE THE NOISE OF THE ILLITERATES ABOVE
CAN YOU BE A VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS
THE BIBLE DOES NOT ADDRESS THE USA in the battle of Armageddon OR AT ALL AT THE ESCHATON
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I’ve wondered about the non involvement of the USA.
I watch Trump attempting to disengage from the Middle East something no President has attempted before as far as I know.
His logic is sound, get the USA out of costly wars, let the inhabitants solve their disagreements..
It always seemed natural for the USA to be involved there yet here is Trump changing the status quo and trying to disengage.
I have seen references to the USA being the young Lion(s) of Tarshish for example below and I note the reference doesn’t place the USA in the battle, assuming it is the young Lion(s) of Tarshish.
Rather it addresses itself to the invaders, which would have to take place before the battle.
http://www.bibleinthenews.com/Podcasts/657
@ TheOGazerts at 8:27 PM yesterday.
The biggest battles we, as a people, have to fight is with ourselves,our consciences and the search for truth.
@Vincent
There are many challenges, how we prioritize is linked to life experiences. This is why tolerance and patience are prerequisite qualities to coexist in a world filled with diversity.
Here we have a power point presentation with an established outline of Psalm 22
Next we have a medical explanation and exposition of the very rare phenomenon of bloody sweat (hematidrosis or hemohidrosis, followed by an illustrated account of the physiological issues experienced by Christ on the cross, and what do we get in response?.
Shall I say? Or is it very obvious?
Dr. GP
My sincerest apologies,
I was busy all yesterday.
I thank you for your CONVERSION of the Powerpoint
I started to respond and had written a fair deal but I had no charger and my phone died.
TORPROJECT expunges history so I will begin again and submit soon.
There are 3 threads of thought which your explanation has emoted so I will deal with all 3 separately.
@ GP November 25, 2019 10:23 AM
“Here we have a power point presentation with an established outline of Psalm 22
Next we have a medical explanation and exposition of the very rare phenomenon of bloody sweat (hematidrosis or hemohidrosis, followed by an illustrated account of the physiological issues experienced by Christ on the cross, and what do we get in response?”
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Was there a trained physician assisting Jesus on the cross to diagnose and record those “physiological issues” experienced by Yahweh only begotten perfect son of Apoll(y)on similarity?
But wasn’t Jesus’s pain and suffering necessary and inevitable in order for sinners like you to get to heaven?
So why complain? Be Joyful for the God Jesus self-sacrifice?
You are lucky it wasn’t his opposite number Lucifer on that cross because you would be hell all like now!
My first observation was this.
Your comments were of such profundity regarding “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?” that de ole man, armed with this new, profound wisdom, AND FULLY CONVICTED OF ITS TRUTH, repeated it during a session yesterday, to much applause among fellow believers!
So, do not think that silence or no response here on Barbados Underground MEANS NON APPRECIATION OR THAT THE WORD OF GOD has fallen on arid earth!
JOHN
I’ve wondered about the non involvement of the USA.
What you need to understand is that the book of Daniel gives the timeline of human history during what Jesus called the “times of the Gentiles” in one of the three gospel accounts of the Olivet discourse,
in Genesis 8-11 we have what is called the dispensation of Human Government, in which mankind was shown to be unable to govern themselves. After Babel God set up the Jews. Romans 2 and Ephesians 2 speaks clearly to the fact that the Jews were set up to teach the world the ways of God as implied by vs 12
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
The Jews failed and were carried away into exile by the Assyrians and then the Babylonians.
God then gave the Babylonian king a dream that is explained in Daniel 2 and 7 which expresses the fact that the Medes and Persians would conquer the Babylonians and rule the known world. They would be followed by the Grreks, and then the Romans. All of this is now well documented secular history.
It is noteworthy that no one conquered the Romans…….they sort of imploded, just as the USA is doing as we speak.
IN DANIEL CHAPTER NINE WE HAVE THIS VERY IMPORTANT PIVOTAL PROPHECY, TO WHICH JESUS REFERRED TO IN THE OLIVET DISCOURSE IN MATHEW 24:15
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF GOOD U TUBE VIDEOS THAT EXPLAINS THIS PROPHECY
https://www.google.com/search?q=VIDEOS+ON+DANIEL+9&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS861US861&oq=VIDEOS+ON+DANIEL+9&aqs=chrome..69i57j33l5.8046j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
WE AWAIT THE NEXT REAL WORLD LEADER AND THIS WILL BE ANTICHRIST DURING THE TRIBULATION PERIOD WHICH FOLLOWS THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH
THERE WAS A TIME, WHEN FOR ABOUT 500 YEARS BRITAIN WAS PERHAPS THE FOREMOST NATION. THEY LOST THIS POSITION BECAUSE OF THEIR ANTISEMITISM.
THE USA WHO SUCCEEDED BRITAIN SEEMS READY TO FOLLOW SUIT BECAUSE OF ANTISEMITISM ALSO, DESPITE TRUMP’S EFFORTS.
GARNER TED ET ALL USED TO TEACH ABOUT BRITISH AND AMERICAN ISRAELISM—-BUT THIS CAN NOT BE SUBSTANTIATED BY SCRIPTURE.
RE Was there a trained physician assisting Jesus on the cross to diagnose and record those “physiological issues” experienced by Yahweh only begotten perfect son of Apoll(y)on similarity?
NO ………BUT PSALM 22 PREDICTED THE PHYSIOLOGY BY VERY CLEAR STATEMENTS IN THE PSALM WHICH NUMEROUS CONTEMPORARY PHYSICIANS HAVE INTERPRETED, JUST AS I HAVE DONE IN MY STELLAS PPT
RE But wasn’t Jesus’s pain and suffering necessary and inevitable in order for sinners like you to get to heaven?
YES IT WAS AS IS PREDICTED IN ISAIAH 52 AND 53 AND PSALM 22 IN PARTICULAR
RE So why complain? Be Joyful for the God Jesus self-sacrifice?
NOT COMPLAINING AND LIKE MANY BELIEVERS AROUND THE WORLD, REJOICING THEREAT
RE You are lucky it wasn’t his opposite number Lucifer on that cross because you would be hell all like now!
LIKE THE HELL SEEN IN THE HEARTS OF MANY ON BU WHEN EVER THE SCRIPTURE IS PRESENTED
RE Piece the LegendNovember 25, 2019 10:38 AM
nOTE THAT I ONLY GAVE THE FIRST PART OF THE PPT ON THE PSYCHOLOGY PART WITHOUT THE PICTORAL ILLUSTRATION
I WILL PRESENT THE PHYSIOLOGY FOR YOUR BENEFIT LATER, BUT YOU MUST FIND A WAY TO ENJOY AND BENEFIT FROM OTHER TEACHINGS. I FIND PPT A VERY GOOD WAY TO PRESENT THE WORD, ESPECIALLY UP HERE WHERE FOLK CLAIM NOT TO UNDERSTAND ME WHEN I SPEED UP WHEN SPEAKING OR WHEN I SLIP IN SOME DIALECT OR SOME OF OUR CULTURAL COLOUR ETC LOL
Piece the LegendNovember 25, 2019 10:45 AM
I AM GLAD THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO SHARE THE EXEGESIS ON GENESIS 2 WITH OTHERS
I KNOW THAT IT IS ONLY ON BU THAT I EXPERIENCE THIS DEGREE OF RESISTANCE AND ABJECT IGNORANCE
RE Vincent CodringtonNovember 24, 2019 11:09 AM
@ G P
Somebody needs to inform you that you are no longer in the Rum Shop. You are on BU Blog. Please step up to the plate.
THIS IS THE MOST HILARIOUS STATEMENT ON BU EVER
I HAVE NEVER DRUNK RUM OR HUNG OUT IN ANY RUM SHOP .
GP IT WAS THAT CALLED THE BU BLOG A VIRTUAL RUM SHOP
THE IDEA THAT A CERTIFIED BIBLE ILLITERATE COULD ASK DR GP , DMin TO STEP TO THE PLATE ON A BIBLICAL TOPIC BOGGLES THE MIND
SUBLIME AMUSEMENT!
You said and I quote
“…The Greek word hosei (“as it were”) refers to condition, not comparison.
The intention of the Evangelist seems clearly to be, to convey the idea that the sweat did not fall like drops of blood, but that the sweat was coloured with blood, i.e there was actual blood in the sweat…”
Dr. GP you are a medical doctor so you will appreciate this.
I know someone with something called venous thrombosis or something like that THEREFORE things that you speak of, which while completely new to de ole man, contain things I have had proxy experiences about.
Therefore i marvel not because of unbelief but because of your independent confirmation of what I have seen.
Faith, for the believer, takes no effort but for the non believer, knows knows no limits to that effort.
So, on the second point, de ole man confirms this I understand what you have shared.
There is a Legend which arose about The Robe that The Christ wore as well as the Spear of Longinus that pierced his side
It would do well to remember that his garment WAS NOT CHANGED FROM THE DAY BEFORE WHEN JESUS THE CHRIST WAS TAKEN IN THE GARDEN and He was not brought a change of clothes
Who got his Robe and the Spear?
But that is another matter of inconsequential import
whereas we do not know about “The Robe that The Christ wore” we know that the believer will accompany him back to earth in his ephiphanea clothed in fine linen, white and clean. as presented in Revelation 19:14 thus……. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Two more observations Dr. GP
You said , and I quote
“…His penetrating awareness of the heinous nature of sin, its destructive and deadly effects, the sorrow and heartache that it inflicts, and the extreme measure necessary to deal with it, make the passion of Christ beyond all comprehension.
The really great weight upon Jesus was the knowledge that he would soon bear the terrible trauma of taking the guilt for all of our sins upon him—my sins and yours…”
Yesterday, the question was floated in our gathering as to whether anyone could imagine the extent of the Love Jesus the Christ had for us TO HAVE DIED ON THE CROSS!
I ANSWERED AND SAID NO!
AND ALL WENT DEATHLY QUIET!
So after about a minute the Pastor asked me to explain.
AND I ASKED THEM THERE TO IMAGINE “the weight of SIN, of every man and woman, both those that had died previously AND WHO WERE, AND ARE TO BE BORN, UNTIL THE END OF TIME”
That even brought silence of the Pastor.
Then, after a minute, he spoke and said “that was really deep”
Again Dr. GP, all I can and will say is that unless a man or woman IS DRAWN TO GOD, they cannot speak of GOD.
Let me see if I can explain this.
Child soldiers will kill without hesitating BECAUSE THEIR “SPONGE” of values and ethics and appreciation of life, is empty of any kindnesses of that nature.
We wonder why there are 49 murders in Barbados and all these stabbings in schools.
This is but a reflection of the “void” where, in the absence of God’s Love and our humility and gratitude for His Sacrifice, there can only be turpitude and reprobate minds, and murders and all the other sins
Sumbody please say all of the above written by GP is a dream
@ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with my third comment to Dr GP thank you
GP
whereas we do not know about “The Robe that The Christ wore” we know that the believer will accompany him back to earth in his ephiphanea clothed in fine linen, white and clean. as presented in Revelation 19:14 thus……. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
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When Jesus walked this earth he spoke about his return to earth in many ways giving various example of times
Btw how many years after the resurrection of Jesus was the book of revelation written
Why is it that the bible thumping christain always find a way to use their idealogical views as transcripts or interpretations to what is written in the bible
Jesus specifically gave several illustrations as indicators to his return
But No! the bible thumper zealots called born again christain time and time again would point to other sources in the bible which is purely dogmatic at worst and speculative to say the least
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RE Jesus specifically gave several illustrations as indicators to his return
PLEASE KINDLY CITE THE REFERENCES FOR THESE “several illustrations as indicators to his return.
RE But No! the bible thumper zealots called born again christain time and time again would point to other sources in the bible which is purely dogmatic at worst and speculative to say the least
CLEARLY THIS DISRUPTIVE BIBLE ILLITERATE DOES NOT KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES IN THE PSALMS AND PROPHETIC BOOKS AND EVEN AS FAR BACK AS GENESIS 49 THAT SPEAKS OF JESUS RETURN
CLEARLY THIS DISRUPTIVE BIBLE ILLITERATE DOES NOT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND THAT THE APOSTLE JOHN WAS GIVEN THE ROLE TO FORETELL AND FORTH TELL THE EVENTS AFTER THE RAPTURE, THE TRIBULATION PERIOD, THE TIMING OF THE MILLENNIUM THE DESTRUCTION OF THE APOSTATE CHURCH AND THE WORLD OF CHRIST BEFORE DESCRIBING THE REIGN OF CHRIST, THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT ETC
CLEARLY THE DEVIL HIMSELF IS EVIDENT IN THIS ANGELA COLE WOMAN AS SHE SEEKS IN HER IGNORANCE TO NEGATE THE CLEAR TRUTH OF THE WORD OF GOD
HERE IS AN IDIOT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER SAYING THAT A BELIEVER MUST NOT “point to other sources in the bible” AND CALLING IT speculative
PIECE
YOU WROTE
It would do well to remember that his garment WAS NOT CHANGED FROM THE DAY BEFORE WHEN JESUS THE CHRIST WAS TAKEN IN THE GARDEN and He was not brought a change of clothes
WHAT IS MORE RELEVANT IS THAT HE DID NOT HAVE A PROPER DRINK OF WATER AND SO BECAME DEHYDRATED AS PREDICTED IN PSALM 22
The Physiological suffering of Jesus is described in John 10: 17-18; John 19:28 inter alia
Psalm 22:14 reads….. “I am poured out like water, “
V 15 states “My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.”
V 17 states “I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.”
The phrases “my tongue cleaveth to my jaws” and; “I may tell all my bones” suggests that Jesus experienced THIRST secondary to DEHYDRATION.
The phrase I am poured out like water, very vividly explains how His thirst and dehydration occurred.
Today, medical science allows as to understand and explain the phenomena described in these verses. This is the substance of the lecture.
“I thirst” the fifth utterance of Jesus from the cross and His only human expression of His physical suffering, while on the cross, indicates that these prophesies were fulfilled.
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The loss of blood from
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the wounds inflicted upon him in the scourging,
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the buffeting of his face,
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the crowning with thorns,
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had together certainly taken their toll, resulting in severe dehydration, manifested by thirst.
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Jesus was by now or should have been by now in hypovolemic or low volume shock. ……….and long dead.
THIS IS SOUND AND SOLID PHYSIOLOGY TEACHING THAT EVEN FIRST YEAR MEDICAL STUDENTS CAN UNDERSTAND AND THAT I UNDERSTOOD IN MY 20’S
As long as the world exist and there are people on this planet there would be wars .famine .earthquakes and all the biblical predictions noted in the bible
One can look into the old testament and see all of the same disasters occuring including families fighting amongst each other
PIECE
HERE IS THE PHYSIOLOGY SECTION OF THE LECTURE
UNFORTUNATELY IT DOES NOT SHOW THE ILLUSTRATIONS
PHYSIOLOGICALLY
JOHN 10: 17-18
JOHN 19:28
Psalm 22:14 reads…..
I am poured out like water,
V 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
V 17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
The phrases “my tongue cleaveth to my jaws” and; “I may tell all my bones” suggests that Jesus experienced THIRST secondary to DEHYDRATION.
The phrase I am poured out like water, very vividly explains how His thirst and dehydration occurred.
Today, medical science allows as to understand and explain the phenomena described in these verses.
The idea that Jesus would be “ poured out like water” is also taught in Isaiah 53:12, thus:
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
“I thirst.” -John 19:28
“I thirst” the fifth utterance of Jesus from the cross and His only human expression of His physical suffering, while on the cross, indicates that these prophesies were fulfilled.
The loss of blood from
the wounds inflicted upon him in the scourging,
the buffeting of his face,
the crowning with thorns,
had together certainly taken their toll, resulting in severe dehydration, manifested by thirst.
Jesus was by now or should have been by now in hypovolemic or low volume shock. ……….and long dead.
To fully understand the verses we have cited we must think about body water
Body water is the primary building block for our cells, because all the chemical reactions that constitute life, depends on, and occurs in a watery medium
The human body needs water to function the right way.
Water is the main component of the human body; it is distributed throughout the body, in every organ, inside and between cells.
Blood makes up part of our total body water
There’s no fluid more important, for the life of the body as the blood, as taught in Leviticus 17:11a, where we read ”For the life of the flesh is in the blood.”
Water is distributed in the body among two main compartments: intracellular water (ICW) and extracellular water (ECW)
The extracellular water, is roughly about one third of body water and is the water located outside our cells.
It comprises plasma or blood fluid and interstitial fluid, or between the cells water.
Extracellular water is important because it helps control the movement of electrolytes, allows oxygen delivery to the cells, and clears waste from metabolic processes.
Intracellular water (ICW)is the water located inside our cells. In healthy people, it makes up the other 2/3 of the water inside your body.
The intracellular water is the location of important cellular processes, and although it has many functions, a very important one is that it allows molecules to be transported to the different organelles inside the cell.
Essentially, the ICW picks up where the ECW left off by continuing the pathway for fuel to be transported to the cells.
Intracellular Fluid is all inside the cells
Extracellular Fluid exists in two locations:
Intravascular (1/4 in blood vessels)
Interstitial (3/4 in tissues)
Interstitial fluid bathes the cells of the tissues.
This provides a means of delivering materials to the cells, intercellular communication, as well as removal of metabolic waste.
Between Intracellular and Interstitial is the CELL MEMBRANE
Between Interstitial and Intravascular is the CAPILLARY MEMBRANE
The body works to keep the total amount of water and the levels of electrolytes in the blood constant.
Water flows passively (by osmosis) from one area or compartment of the body to another.
This passive flow allows the larger volumes of fluid in the cells and the area around the cells to act as reservoirs to protect the more critical but smaller volume of fluid in the blood vessels from dehydration- which is specifically the loss of the body water component of body fluid .
Excess fluid loss along with loss of essential minerals results in dehydration.
The human body can lose body water through the skin, via sweat, urine and by breathing.
In the body, several mechanisms work together to maintain water balance. One of the most important is thirst.
When the body needs water, nerve centers deep within the brain are stimulated, resulting in the sensation of thirst.
The sensation becomes stronger as the body’s need for water increases, motivating a person to drink the needed fluids.
A crucifixion was, in every sense of the word, excruciating (Latin, excruciatus, or “out of the cross”).
Death was designed for maximum pain with minimal blood loss, thereby extending the pain and suffering by days.
But Jesus was made to bleed a lot before he even got on the cross.
Why was this?
So that all the Bible predictions on this matter would come to pass.
Jesus had not drank since the night before, so the combination of the beatings, the crown of thorns, and the scourging would have set into motion an irreversible process of severe dehydration and cardio respiratory failure.
All of this was done so that the prophecies would be fulfilled:
I can count all my bones: they look and stare upon me. Psalm 22:17
Inflammation occurs when part of the body gets damaged or bruised and is a normal bodily response to injury.
Such acute inflammation is accompanied by a temporary increase in ECW.
During inflammation, the body sends additional blood flow to the damaged area.
This causes an increase of extracellular water in a particular area, as well as PAIN.
Since Jesus had nothing to drink after the supper in the upper room as He had not got the opportunity to drink during his trials and suffering, he was therefore losing water/fluid from sweat, breathing and from excessive blood loss.
Since he had no water intake to compensate the loss of body water he experienced, His life was indeed literally pouring out, and his tongue cleaved to his jaws; as pointed out in Palm 22……..and as we will try to illustrate by our drawings.
Because he was losing the body water required for the chemical and metabolic reactions in the cells, His strength literally dried up like a potsherd.”
This is how the Lord Jesus Christ poured out His soul unto death, as predicted in Isaiah 53:12, etc
The loss of tissue fluids had now reached a critical level – the compressed heart was struggling to pump heavy, thick, sluggish blood into the tissue – the tortured lungs were making a frantic effort to draw in small gulps of air.
The markedly dehydrated tissues send their flood of stimuli to the brain, and Jesus gasped His fifth cry from the cross, I thirst.
Why was Jesus not dead at this point?
After all, the devil thought he had stopped Jesus from going to the cross when he stirred up the Romans to beat him severely almost to the point of death.
Never had a crucified person been beaten as Jesus was. He was beaten so severely as the prophetic words of Isaiah 52:14 spoken seven centuries earlier that He would be beaten so badly that He would be “disfigured beyond that of any man” and “beyond human likeness” were fulfilled.
As many were astonished at you— his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of the children of mankind. (Isaiah 52:14).
Why was Jesus not dead at this point?
Because he chose to die when he was ready to do so after accomplishing the work on the cross as He Himself predicted in John 10:17-18
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
BECAUSE JESUS IS GOD AND BECAUSE HE HIMSELF HAD DESIGNED THE SYSTEMS FOR COMPENSATION TO BLOOD AND FLUID LOSS IN THE BODY, HE WAS IN TOTAL CONTROL OF ALL THE HOMEOSTATIC AND HEMOSTATIC MECHANISMS GOING ON IN HIS BODY.
John 19:30 points out that he indeed died when he chose to do so.
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Though Satan through the Romans did their worse Jesus died when he chose to—–He layed down his life He gave up the Ghost.
He had poured out His life— and His love– like water as predicted in Psalm 22.
Let us cite the prophetic Psalm 22:14-15, 17 again……
I am poured out like water,…….. my heart is like wax, it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
Psalm 22 described the mechanics or the methodology of the Physiology of the Lord’s death, long, long ago.
LONG BEFORE EXECUTION BY CRUCIFIXION WAS INVENTED
HOW COULD DAVID DESCRIBE SOMETHING THAT HE HAD NOT EVER SEEN OR EXPERIENCED SO VIVIDLY EXCEPT BY REVELATION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT
WHAT IS HILARIOUS WE HAVE TWO MORONS WHO WILL TRY TO CONTRADICT ME ON BOTH THE SCRIPTURE AND THE MEDICINE
TELL ME WHY I SHOULD NOT ROCK AND MOCK?
As long as the world exist and there are people on this planet there WILL BE DUMMIES TRYING UNSUCCESSFULLY TO CONTRADICT THOSE WHO HAVE STUDIED AND ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
re MariposaNovember 25, 2019 1:34 PM
Sumbody please say all of the above written by GP is a dream
VINCENT CODRINGTON, AS A CERTIFIED BIBLE ILLITERATE , COULD YOU PLEASE KINDLY HELP OUT ANGELA COLE HERE? EVEN THOUGH YOU DONT KNOW HEAD FROM TAIL, YOU CAN BRIMBLE AND BRAY LIKE A MEMBER OF THE LOWEST OF THE EQUINOIDS.
WE WILL UNDERSTAND, MAN
RE MariposaNovember 25, 2019 2:10 PM
I NEARLY FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR WHEN I SAW THIS ARTICLE THAT THIS BIBLE ILLITERATE CUT AND PASTE FROM GOOGLE
SHE COMES HERE PRETENDING TO KNOW BUT YET SHE GOOGLING ARTICLES AND DONT WHAT TO USE AND WHAT TO LEAVE OUT
THE WOMAN IS A WHOLE CIRCUS NOT JUST A CLOWN SHE IS IN LOW PRIMER BUT TRYING TO RUN WID A DOCTOR IN THE SUBJECT
TELL ME WHY I SHOULD NOT ROCK AND MOCK?
So Dr. GP
as I said this morning when I started writing I was going to make a few observations.
This last one is going to be my hardest and I want you to understand why I am posing it EVEN BEFORE I ASK!
When I encounter atheists I have taken the position that I do not entertain unbelievers.
Because as I said earlier, either they are drawn to God or they are not.
But in discoursing with them initially, I will entertain some moments where I will discuss cyclical references
Dr GP what is your response to the following.
The Old testament, for the most part, is from Jewish authors and was written in Hebrew.
The new testament is also inspired .
Given that the Biblical Canon which we use today was compiled in 1604, why, mindful of other Bible Compilations, Before and After the KJV, why are you able to say with such confidence that “the cyclical references ARE NOT INSERTS BY MEN” and ensuingly weaken our ability to confirm the Validity of our Faith?
So I hope you can understand why, after a few passes, if I run into and unbeliever, de ole man will converse for a little while, gauge their willingness to move forward AND THEN, if their disposition is not amenable, I MOVE ON!
RE Given that the Biblical Canon which we use today was compiled in 1604, why, mindful of other Bible Compilations, Before and After the KJV, why are you able to say with such confidence that “the cyclical references ARE NOT INSERTS BY MEN” and ensuingly weaken our ability to confirm the Validity of our Faith?
THIS A QUESTION CONCERNING THE PRESERVATION AND CHOSING OF THE CANON
YOU CAN GET A VERY GOOD DETAILED BOOKLET ON THIS TOPIC FROM BERACHAH TAPES AND PUBLICATIONS FREE OF COST
THE BOOKLET IS WRITTEN BY THE LATE RB THIEME AND IS CALLED CANONICITY
RE When I encounter atheists I have taken the position that I do not entertain unbelievers.
Because as I said earlier, either they are drawn to God or they are not.
But in discoursing with them initially, I will entertain some moments where I will discuss cyclical references
NOTE THAT I AM IN NO WAY DISCOURSING WITH THESE MORONS I AM MOCKING THEM AND CORRECTING THEM SO THAT ONLOOKERS WHO WISH TO LEARN WILL NOT BE CARRIED AWAY BY THEIR DISSEMBLING AND FALSE TEACHING
I DO NOT SUFFER FOOLS GLADLY
THERE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE ANYONE ON BU THAT KNOWS ANYTHING TO SAY ANYTHING TO CORRECT THEM
I DONT TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT I DO NOT KNOW WELL
WHEN I DONT KNOW I ASK QUESTIONS
You have to give the Europeans their dues. They did play a number on us. Even they could never envision in their wildest dream, the scale and success of converting black people the world over into the most obedient bible -thumping believers.
I DID NOT LEARN BIBLE FROM ANY EUROPEAN
AND I DO NOT THUMP MY BIBLE EITHER