Today, it is useful to understand the basic preparatory training for those who want to follow Jesus.
Jesus gave a set of commandments. Some Christians found them challenging to follow, so they developed diverse and conflicting traditions about these commandments, including:
- they should be followed;
- they are optional;
- they are a guide;
- they are impossible to follow; and
- their purpose is to show us how sinful we are, and our need for a savior.
However, rather than speculate about whether we should follow them or not, we should go to the first rule on interpreting the Bible – what does Jesus say about it? If Jesus is silent on the matter, then we can go to other rules.
Jesus introduced His commandments by stating:
Whoever breaks the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:19)
Jesus ended His commandments by stating:
Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I [Jesus] will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.” (Matthew 7:24-27)
It would seem that Jesus intended that that all of His followers should obey all of His commandments, which are included in what is popularly called, ‘the sermon on the mount’. A descriptive outline of this sermon follows. The details are provided in the Gospel according to Matthew, chapters 5 to 7.
- Expect to face challenging situations, so count the cost before making a commitment to follow Jesus. (Matthew 5:3-12)
- Be visible and effective in your obedience to God. (Matthew 5:13-16)
- Do the right thing, especially when there is no expectation of a reward. (Matthew 5:17-20)
- Maintain good relationships with others, and reconcile quickly with your adversaries. (Matthew 5:21-26)
- Do not sin in thoughts, words, or deeds. (Matthew 5:27-30)
- Be faithful to your spouse. (Matthew 5:31-32)
- Tell the truth always, regardless of the consequences. (Matthew 5:33-37)
- Submit to everyone and trust God. (Matthew 5:38-42)
- Love your enemies. (Matthew 5:43-48)
- Do charitable deeds in secret. (Matthew 6:1-4)
- Cultivate a relationship with God, your heavenly Father, and genuinely forgive everyone who hurts you. (Matthew 6:5-15)
- When fasting, do not make it obvious to others. (Matthew 6:16-18)
- Let your principal security be in heaven. (Matthew 6:19-21)
- Do not be distracted with things that can cause you to lose your way. (Matthew 6:22-23)
- Trust God for your security, rather than trusting in your wealth, or your ability to generate wealth. (Matthew 6:24)
- Do not worry about anything, but first seek God’s kingdom and righteousness. (Matthew 6:25-34)
- Do not attempt to correct others while you are struggling with the same challenges. (Matthew 7:1-5)
- Wisely share information with those who lack understanding. (Matthew 7:6)
- Treat others the way that you want to be treated. (Matthew 7:7-12)
- Stay on the responsible path, even when you have little company. (Matthew 7:13-14)
- Beware of counterfeit leaders – you will recognize them by their irresponsible behaviour, which they cannot stop doing. (Matthew 7:15-20)
- It is not only acknowledging Jesus as Lord that will allow you to enter the Kingdom, but by practicing these commandments. (Matthew 7:21-23)
- If you obey these sayings, then you will be stable, otherwise, you will be unstable during challenging times. (Matthew 7:24-27)
Jesus commanded His followers to obey both the letter and spirit of the law. Jesus did this by contrasting His commandments with those given by Moses and Jewish tradition, for example.
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. (Matthew 5:21b, 22)
Jesus’ commandments not only instruct believers to avoid doing what is wrong, but to proactively do what is right, motivated by love.
Many of these commandments appear to be contrary to our natural tendencies. However, we normally improve at doing whatever we practice. Therefore, with persistent practice, this behaviour can become habitual. Enjoy your improvement journey.
THIS MONDAY SERMON – BASIC PREPARATORY TRAINING, EFFECTIVELY DEMONSTRATES THE PATH TO PERFECTION IN KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS AS OBSERVED IN THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT AND NOTABLY DEMONSTRATES AS FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO SHARE ETERNAL TRUTHS…
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect” (Matt. 5:48)…
Coming unto Christ is the only way back to the presence of the Father. That is why the Savior’s invitations to us include: “Come, follow me” (Luke 18:22), “Learn of me” (Matt. 11:29), “I am the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6).
The Way to come unto Christ is through Obedience to the Principles taught in the Commandments. For each of us to ‘come unto Christ,’ to keep His commandments and follow His example back to the Father is surely the highest and holiest purpose of human existence. To help others do that as well—to teach, persuade, and prayerfully lead them to walk that path of redemption also—surely that must be the second most significant task in our lives.
Perfection is an eternal goal, not an earthly possibility. It is, however, a commandment that can, over time and because of the Atonement. I believe the Lord meant just what he said: that we should be perfect, as our Father in heaven is perfect Matt. 5:48). That will not come all at once, but line upon line, and precept upon precept, example upon example, and even then, not as long as we live in this earthly life, for we will have to go even beyond the grave before we reach that perfection.
But here we lay the foundation. Here is where we are taught these simple truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ, in this provisional state, to prepare us for that perfection. It is our duty to be better today than we were yesterday, and better tomorrow than we are today. Why? Because … if we are keeping the commandments of the Lord, we are on that road to perfection, and that can only come through obedience and the desire in our hearts to overcome the world.
IT IS THE DUTY OF EVERY MAN TO TRY TO BE LIKE HIS ETERNAL FATHER.
The Sermon on the Mount is perhaps the most significant testimony of our Lord ever recorded. It is a BLUEPRINT FOR PERFECTION. It is a Revelation of His own character, which was perfect thus making it a “BLUEPRINT FOR OUR OWN LIVES.” The Sermon on the Mount is essentially an invitation from the Redeemer of all mankind to come and watch Him, listen to His words, do what we see Him do, learn of Him, and receive eternal life.
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re we should go to the first rule on interpreting the Bible – what does Jesus say about it? If Jesus is silent on the matter, then we can go to other rules.
WHO MADE THIS FIRST rule on interpreting the Bible THAT ONE MUST ASK WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT IT?
AND If Jesus is silent on the matter, then we can go to other rules. WHAT OTHER RULES ARE THESE?
WHERE IN THE BIBLE IS THIS FIRST RULE FOUND?
WHERE IN THE BIBLE ARE THE OTHER RULES FOUND?
PLEASE KINDLY GIVE BOOK CHAPTER AND VERSE
RE jesus commanded His followers to obey both the letter and spirit of the law.
WHERE DID HE SAY THIS?
TO WHOM ?
WHY? WHEN?
HOW COULD HE SAY THIS?
PLEASE KINDLY GIVE THE REFERENCE
RE Jesus did this by contrasting His commandments with those given by Moses and Jewish tradition, for example.
REALLY?
PLEASE KINDLY GIVE THE REFERENCE
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. (Matthew 5:21b, 22)
WHY DID JESUS SAY THE ABOVE?
TO WHOM ?
WHY? WHEN?
HOW COULD HE SAY THIS?
Jesus’ commandments not only instruct believers to avoid doing what is wrong, but to proactively do what is right, motivated by love.
Many of these commandments appear to be contrary to our natural tendencies. WHY IS THIS SO
However, we normally improve at doing whatever we practice. Therefore, with persistent practice, this behaviour can become habitual. Enjoy your improvement journey.
CAN WE DO THESE THINGS ALONE?
WHY THEN ARE MORE PEOPLE OR ALL PEOPLE NOT DOING THESE THINGS?
WHAT DOES ROMANS 4:4-5 MEAN?
REMEMBER WHEN AS BOYS WE WANTED TO GROW UP AND SING THE TENOR OR BASS IN THIS HYMN
JUST SUPPLYING HYMNS AND ANTHEMS TO GO WITH THE MORNING SERMON
DID YOU ALL KNOW THAT WORDS OF THE TE DEUM LAUDAMUS ARE SCRIPTURAL?
Why is it that aspiring Bishops and priests, pastors and deacons find it so hard to obey these basic commonsense instructions themselves but rather do not practice what they preach and in so doing causing the youth to lose faith in righteousness
CHARLES
IN THE NT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BISHOP AND A PASTOR?
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT “these basic commonsense instructions” WERE GIVEN FOR THE KINGDOM?
WHEN WILL THE KINGDOM OCCUR/
IN WHAT DISPENSATION WAS THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT GIVEN? TO WHOM? WHY?
DONT YOU THINK THAT the youth lose faith in righteousness BECAUSE THEY DONT SEEK AFTER righteousness
What a wonderful selection of hymns GP to usher in a glorious morning and what in your view could be responsible for aspiring Bishops and priests and pastors and deacons unable to follow these basic commonsense truths but rather prefer not to practice what they preach thereby causing a generation of youth to turn away from righteousness
“DONT YOU THINK THAT the youth lose faith in righteousness BECAUSE THEY DONT SEEK AFTER righteousness”
AS A YOUTH I AM SURE YOU DID NOT SEEK RIGHTEOUSNESS BLINDLY BUT THROUGH EXAMPLE
AFTER CHURCH SERVICE IN MY TIME A POPULAR ORGAN VOLUNTARY WAS BACH’S TOCATA
& FUGUE IN D
@ Georgie Porgie
Two beautiful inspiring hymns. The doors of the Anglican Church are still open to you. Feel free to walk back in anytime.
AS A YOUTH I AM SURE YOU DID NOT SEEK RIGHTEOUSNESS BLINDLY BUT THROUGH EXAMPLE
ACTUALLY I WAS ALWAYS KEEN ABOUT SUCH MATTERS FROM THE TIME MY GRANNY TOOK ME TO CHURCH AT PATRONAL FESTIVAL AT ST PAUL’S
ONE OF MY FIRST AMBITIONS IN LIFE WAS TO BE A CHOIR BOY
LATER I LEARNED TO STUDY THE WORD IN THE BAPTIST CHURCH
I LEARNED THAT I WAS A SINNER BECAUSE I HAD A SIN NATURE
I LEARNED THAT JESUS DIED FOR MY SINS
AND IT WENT FROM THERE
I AM HAPPY FOR MY PROGRESSION
I HAVE NEVER FOLLOWED ANY PRIEST OR PASTOR…….I HAVE TENDED TO FOLLOW THE WORD
BUT I AM NOT PERFECT
Two beautiful inspiring hymns. The doors of the Anglican Church are still open to you. Feel free to walk back in anytime.
WHY?
WHAT WILL I LEARN NOW THAT I DIDNT LEARN FROM AGE 6 -16?
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ANYONE TEACH BIBLE LIKE IN THE SWEET SUNDAY SERMONS IN THE ANGLICAN CHURCH? I DIDNT LEARN THAT IN THE ANGLICAN CHURCH. I ONLY LEARNED HYMNS AND HYMN TUNES AND LOVELY ANTHEMS
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ANYONE EXPLAIN THIS PASSAGE FROM ROMANS 1O IN THE ANGLICAN CHURCH?
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
And a vigorous rendition of Bach’s Toccata & Fugue in D minor by a gifted young organist! Wow!!. This Monday School is great.
HOW CAN YOU FOLLOW JESUS AND BE PERFECT IF YOU DONT KNOW HIM AND YOU NEVER LET HIM INTO YOUR HEART?
THIS ONE IS BASED ON HEBREWS 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
HERE IS THE GREAT HYMN AND ANTHEM OF METHODISM
IF THE SINGING HERE IS SO GLORIOUS WHAT WILL BE THE SINGING OF THE TRANSLATED SAINTS BE IN REVELATION 5?
These sermons – Monday, Tuesday whatever the flavour, are very entertaining. It looks like the place where everyone gets to show off how much scripture and hymns he/she knows and pat himself or herself on the back.
If I were an unbeliever, especially, a young unbeliever, I would be asking myself:
Are these guys for real? Is this what Christianity is about? Is Christianity relevant to today’s problems? Can It help me cope with the pressures of life? Rid myself of habits and addictions? Why should I become A Christian? Is it for quinqa-,sexa- and septuagenarians. Would I be better off being a Muslim?
And on and on!
RE These sermons – Monday, Tuesday whatever the flavour, are very entertaining. It looks like the place where everyone gets to show off how much scripture and hymns he/she knows and pat himself or herself on the back.
I THINK YOU HAVE DEFINITELY MISSED WHAT IS GOING ON HERE
AND I WONT EXPLAIN IT TO YOU EITHER
THE REST OF YOUR POST IS A NON SEQUITUR
@Ironside
You are hitting close to the mark.
A reminder that religious dogma is a man made construct.
RE You are hitting close to the mark.
A reminder that religious dogma is a man made construct.
RUBBISH AS USUAL WITH A BIG DOSE OF BIAS
IRONSIDE BLOWS HOT AND COLD, AND IS CLEARLY A NOVICE WHO IS INCONSISTENT
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RELIGIOUS DOGMA AND RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE
PHILIPS AND HIS MORONIC FOLLOWER SPEWS RUBBISH AND DOGMA WHICH THEY CAN NEVER SUPPORT BY SCRIPTURES RIGHTLY DIVIDED IN THEIR CONTEXT
HE IS CORRECT ONLY IN STATING THAT THE MIS APPLICATION AND MISQUOTING OF SCRIPTURES IS ENTERTAINING
I DONT TRY TO SHOW OF how off how much scripture and hymns i KNOW ………..I SHARED SCRIPTURES AND MUSIC
THE IGNORANCE OF THE WORD DISPLAYED ON BU BY THE BRIMBLERS IS APPALLING
IF YOU DONT KNOW YOU SHOULD ASK
THE GOD OF THIS WORLD HAS CAPTIVATED AND CONTROLS THE HEARTS OF THE YOUTH AND MUCH OF THE POPULACE WHO ARE CAUGHT UP IN MATERIALISM
WHAT IS THE MARK?
WHERE IS THE MARK?
WHAT DOES THE MARK LOOK LIKE?
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD…..IN THE GREEK IT SAYS THEY HAVE MISSED THE MARK
ON SATURDAY JOHN PROBABLY INADVERTENTLY POSTED THIS LIST OF STALWARTS IN THE FAITH FROM different denominations who have preached the Word and written amazing commentaries thereon
Lewis Sperry Chafer
Arno C. Gaebelein
Dwight L. Moody
C. I. Scofield
John R. Rice
John Nelson Darby
John F Walvoord
G. Campbell Morgan
Billy Sunday
R. A. Torrey
E. W. Bullinger
Charles Caldwell Ryrie
J. Vernon McGee
F.B. Meyer
Lester Roloff
Bob Jones, Sr.
M. R. DeHaan
Lee Roberson
Warren W. Wiersbe
Donald Barnhouse
IN ALL THEIR SERMONS BOOKS AND WRITINGS THEY SUPPORT THEIR DOCTRINE NOT DOGMA BY AN ABUNDANCE OF SCRIPTURES RIGHTLY DIVIDED IN THEIR CONTEXTS
THEIR NAMES ARE TO BE FOUND IN THE BIBLIOGRAPHIES OF SERIOUS WRITINGS ON SCRIPTURE
@ GP at 3:29 PM
“THEY HAVE MISSED THE MARK”
They certainly have. Did they set up a target though.? I believe they set out to make mock sport.
@ David BU
Can you think of many things in life that are not contrivances of man?
“And whatever man named them ; that was their names.”
@Vincent
Exactly
Did they set up a target though.?
I believe they set out to make mock sport.
SO YOU NOTICED THAT ? VERY GOOD
DID YOU ALSO NOTICE HOW I GOT THE LAST LAUGH AND ELEGANTLY SO TOO?
IN ONE CASE I SIMPLY IGNORED THE ADVERSARY AND LACKEY OF MR NO SOLUTIONS
IN THE OTHER I ASKED THE MAN WITH NO SOLUTIONS FOR BARBADOS TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF BY ASKING POINTED QUESTIONS
VINCENT , DAVID & OTHER BIBLE ILLITERATES
HERE IS SOMETHING YOU MUST LEARN FROM 2 PETER 3
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
THOSE that are unlearned and unstable wrest, the scriptures,
BUT ONE MUST NOT be led away with the error of the wicked, & fall from your own stedfastness.
INSTEAD ONE MUST grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
ONE CAN NOT TEACH A SUBJECT THAT THEY HAVE NOT LEARNED
Charles:
There is a reason why Jesus warned his followers about false teachers. Jesus asked His followers to teach only one thing. Hear Jesus on what that is.
“teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you”. (Matthew 28:20)
Many religious leaders have not been through Jesus’ required basic training. Instead, they replaced it with academic training. Therefore, they cannot overcome temptations to do wrong. Hear Peter’s warning shortly before he was martyred.
“But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies”. (2 Peter 2:1)
Hear Peter’s description of them, for our benefit.
“For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” (2 Peter 2:20-22)
Those who completed Jesus’ basic training to prepare them for leadership, normally encourage others to do the same.
Those who reject Jesus’ basic training and pursue leadership only through the academic route, tend to mislead those whom they lead, that Jesus’ commandments should not be followed now. Jesus has already judged this matter.
Vincent, David, adn others seeking the Truth:
Please note that Peter was mainly referring to the letters of Paul, which tended to contain some complex ideas.
Jesus’ ideas were simple, and easy to understand when read with a fair degree of common sense. Note that Jesus asked His followers to simply teach others what He had taught them.
Ironside:
From the article, the young believer would understand Jesus’ basic training requirements.
From the subsequent comments, the young believer would simply be exposed to two opposite approaches to commenting.
GRENVILLE FILLUPS
RE Those who reject Jesus’ basic training and pursue leadership only through the academic route, tend to mislead those whom they lead, that Jesus’ commandments should not be followed now. Jesus has already judged this matter.
PLEASE KINDLY IDENTIFY THE SCRIPTURES WITH “Jesus’ basic training”
WHO IS HERE pursuING leadership only through the academic route OR PERSUING LEADERSHIP AT ALL?
IS IT NOT YOU THAT IS PERSUING LEADERSHIP IN BARBADOS, BUT WITH NO SOLUTIONS FOR BARBADOS?
WHO ON BU HAS SAID THAT Jesus’ commandments should not be followed
RE Those who completed Jesus’ basic training to prepare them for leadership, normally encourage others to do the same.
WHAT IS THE LENGTH OF THIS BASIC TRAINING PROGRAM TO PREPARE PEOPLE FOR LEADERSHIP?
WHO TEACHES THE COURSE? WHERE? DO YOU GET A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION?
HOW CAN ONE encourage others to TAKE THIS BASIC TRAINING PROGRAM TO PREPARE PEOPLE FOR LEADERSHIP IF THEY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE?
IS THIS BASIC TRAINING PROGRAM ONLY FOR WOULD BE LEADERS?
WHY IS IT THAT AFTER TAKING THIS BASIC TRAINING PROGRAM FOR WOULD BE LEADERS, THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY SOLUTIONS FOR BARBADOS?
RE Jesus asked His followers to teach only one thing. Hear Jesus on what that is. “teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you”. (Matthew 28:20)
DOES THIS MEAN THAT THIS IS ALL THAT IS TAUGHT IN THE BASIC TRAINING COURSE FOR LEADERS YOU SEEM TO HAVE TAKEN? OR ARE THEY OTHER THINGS IN THE BIBLE TO BE LEARNED?
RE Many religious leaders have not been through Jesus’ required basic training.
PLEASE KINDLY NOTE THAT I AM NOT NOW, OR HAVE NEVER BEEN A RELIGIOUS LEADER ANYTIME ANYWHERE
RE Instead, they replaced it with academic training. I STUDIED THE WORD FORMALLY BECAUSE I LOVE TO DO SO.
DID YOU NOT GET ACADEMIC TRAINING? IS ACADEMIC TRAINING ONLY SINFUL WHEN IT IS DONE IN BIBLE?
RE Therefore, they cannot overcome temptations to do wrong. PLEASE KINDLY NOTE THAT ALL MEN ARE TEMPTED TO SIN AND DO SO. THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS TEMPTED BUT YET WITHOUT SIN IS JESUS
RE But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies”. (2 Peter 2:1)
NO ONE HAS BROUGHT IN ANY DESTRUCTIVE HERESY HERE
I HAVE ONLY SAID REPEATEDLY. THAT SOLUTIONS BARBADOS HAS NO SOLUTIONS FOR BARBADOS
I WILL SAY THIS UNTIL YOU PROVE ME WRONG
THE IGNORANCE OF THE WORD DISPLAYED ON BU BY THE BRIMBLERS IS APPALLING
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I see the white man Jesus has continued to keep shackles on many black people mentally who seem to think they have some special enlightenment more than all others.
RE Please note that Peter was mainly referring to the letters of Paul, which tended to contain some complex ideas.
PLEASE KINDLY NOTE WHAT PETER SAID 2 PETER 3
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
NOTE THAT FOLK DONT WREST ONLY PAUL’S WRITINGS………….. NOTE THE WORD ” OTHER” IN THE TEXT
SEEMS THAT FOLK WREST A LOT OF OTHER SCRIPTURES UH LIE?
RE Jesus’ ideas were simple, and easy to understand when read with a fair degree of common sense.
THE TEACHING OF PAUL WERE ALSO VERY SIMPLE and easy to understand when read with a fair degree of common sense.
EG ROMANS 1 SAYS THAT THE GENTILES SINNED
ROMANS 2 SAYS THAT THE JEWS SINNED
ROMANS 3 REASONABLY AND LOGICALLY CONCLUDES THAT ALL HAVE SINNED
ROMANS 4 TEACHES THAT FOLK WHO HAVE SINNED CAN BELIEVE GOD AND BECOME RIGHTEOUS AS ABRAHAM DID OR AND THEY CAN CONFESS THEIR SINS LIKE DAVID DID
ROMANS 5 TEACHES THAT ON SO DOING ONE IS JUSTIFIED AND STAND IN GOD’S GRACE
EAST EASY EASY SO
RE Note that Jesus asked His followers to simply teach others what He had taught them
SO WHY IN ACTS 2.42 WE READ THAT JESUS FOLLOWERS ” continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
DID THEY DO THIS BEFORE OR AFTER THEY ATTENDED A BASIC TRAINING PROGRAM FOR LEADERS
re THE IGNORANCE OF THE WORD DISPLAYED ON BU BY THE BRIMBLERS IS APPALLING
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that can not be denied or refuted
I see the white man Jesus has continued to keep shackles on many black people mentally who seem to think they have some special enlightenment more than all others.
NOT AT ALL SIR
BUT WHAT IS VERY CLEAR IS THAT THEY WHO HAVE STUDIED TO SHOW THEMSELVES APPROVED DONT THINK—————THEY ACTUALLY HAVE some special enlightenment more than all others.
THIS IS SO IN MEDICINE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING AND EVERY SUBJECT
IT IS NOT THE WHITE MAN THAT KEEPS BLACK FOLK IN SHACKLES IT IS IGNORANCE! uh lie?
re From the article, the young believer would understand Jesus’ basic training requirements.
From the subsequent comments, the young believer would simply be exposed to two opposite approaches to commenting.
THE YOUNG BELIEVER WOULD ALSO CONCLUDE THAT SOLUTIONS BARBADOS HAS NO SOLUTIONS FOR BARBADOS uh lie?
can you prove me wrong filups?
GP
You are one of the individuals who I consider to be in mental slavery.
You have no special knowledge but yet you continue to berate everyone with your ‘enlightment’.
To the point it has become overbearing.
re You are one of the individuals who I consider to be in mental slavery.
WHO ARE YOU SIR
YOU ARE NOT GOD OR MY DEAR WIFE OR MY SON OR MY CHURCH FRIENDS
YOU ARE OF NO CONSEQUENCE LOL
RE You have no special knowledge but yet you continue to berate everyone with your ‘enlightment’.
To the point it has become overbearing.
WELL SHUT UP AND SCROLL PAST THEN SINCE YOU HAVE NOTHING WORTHWHILE TO CONTRIBUTE
COULD YOU GIVE US SOME OF YOUR ENLIGHTENMENT OR CONVINCE ANYONE THAT YOU ARE NOT IN MENTAL SLAVERY AND JUST A DUMMY EFFLUXING BOVINE EXCREMENT FROM YOUR SHELVES OF HOUSTON?
CAN YOU CONVINCE ANYONE THAT YOU ARE NOT BETZPAENIC BECAUSE NO BLOOD COURSES THROUGH YOUR CIRCLE OF WILLIS?
GRENVILLE
U TINK DAT KANYE WEST TOOK THAT BASIC TRAINING PROGRAM ?
GP
What an ass who calls himself a Barbados Scholar.
Maybe you need to spend more time with your wife – wait let me take that back.
She knows you are an old fool so enjoys you spending all day on the Internet making a jackass of yourself whilst she enjoys her peace and quiet.
You are no role model for youngsters but an old ass that needs to give the blog a break.
Can we stay on the Rh topic?
Are our online egos so inflated?
@ David November 18, 2019 3:13 PM
Re: @Ironside
You are hitting close to the mark.
A reminder that religious dogma is a man made construct.
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I have already made it clear how I feel about religion on this blog so you would know that I entirely agree that “religious dogma is a man made construct”.
@nextparty246 November 18, 2019 9:43 PM
Re: @Ironside:
(1) From the article, the young believer would understand Jesus’ basic training requirements.
(2) Many religious leaders have not been through Jesus’ required basic training. Instead, they replaced it with academic training. Therefore, they cannot overcome temptations to do wrong.
And from your substantive post:
(3) Today, it is useful to understand the basic preparatory training for those who want to follow Jesus. Jesus gave a set of commandments etc
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In summary sir, it seems to me that you are preaching another gospel! Let me explain:
+++Prescription to follow Jesus+++
Your prescription for people to prepare to follow Jesus is entirely erroneous. As I understand it, Jesus’ position is that you must be “born again” to even enter the kingdom of heaven, far less follow Him. It is all there in John chapter 3, that famous passage from which only verse 16 is remembered. The conversation starts out with Yeshua’s conversation with Nicodemus [A leader of the people, please note]:
(Yeshua speaking) “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again”. Berean Study Bible v.3
You err considerably because human nature will not get better by trying to practice the commandments! That is humanistic legalism a.k.a “religion”. incidentally, I now understand why you are so addicted to ISO 9000 as a solution to Barbados’ problems!
Listen, sir: the Adamic nature that we inherited cannot be redeemed:
“Because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s Law, NOR CAN IT DO SO [emphasis mine]. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. (Romans 8:7- 8, Paul speaking).
Your prescription is like putting a rotting fruit into the refrigerator with the expectation that that will halt or reverse the rot!
In contrast, Jehovah’s solution is the “death” of this old Adamic (carnal) nature and a radical change from within called the “new birth”.
You err regarding the purpose of the commandments:
“And so the Law was in charge of us until Christ came, in order that we might then be put right with God through faith.
Galatians 3: 24 Good News Translation
Personally I like the New King James 2000 Version:
“Therefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified BY FAITH [emphasis mine].”
If you have not got it yet, here is Paul again:
Know that a man is NOT [emphasis mine] justified by works of the Law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and NOT [emphasis mine] by works of the Law, because by works of the Law NO ONE [emphasis mine] will be justified. Galatians 2:16 New International Version
You Are Teaching Another Gospel!
Finally here is Paul speaking to the Galatians again. He was responding to the idea that some Jews were telling the converted Galatians that they needed to go back to observing the demands of the Mosaic Law.
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, LET HIM BE UNDER GOD’S CURSE! [emphasis mine].
Galatians 1: 6 – 8 New International Version
Check yourself, sir!
So much rambling..so many picking from chapters and verses what please there selfish intellect
Jesus words supersedes above all others words
Jesus principles directs all into a simplistic way of life
Jesus summarize the ten commanments into two commands making it easy for all to understand and to follow
Paul expound in his teachings things which would glorify and please God as principles for the Christain walk with Christ.
@GP November 18, 2019 3:27 PM
RE:
RUBBISH AS USUAL WITH A BIG DOSE OF BIAS
IRONSIDE BLOWS HOT AND COLD, AND IS CLEARLY A NOVICE WHO IS INCONSISTENT etc
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My summary analysis is that your role on this blog is to bring the Bible and Christianity into disrepute by your very obnoxious and unchristian behaviour.
I am therefore forced to conclude that you are a DEEPLY DISTURBED individual [like some of the street preachers], a position with which other bloggers seem to concur.
My advice? Before coming online again take a dose of genuine “gospills”. They can be obtained entirely free at FOS (Fruit of the Spirit) Pharmacy and no prescription is necessary!
@ MariposaNovember 23, 2019 7:20 AM
it seems as though you are just getting started. Do go on!
Is there a difference between spirituality and religion
Yes there is
Religion is man made rules and regulations infused to control man
Spirituality are principles created and defined by God placed within the soul of man which when activated places mankind on a path of being good holy closer to God
Jesus in his parables ofen tried to awaken the spiritual gifts within mankind
Reason why he made mention of sowing also knocking seeeking with profound acclamation to love compassion fondly known as the fruit of the spirit
I am not at all surprised by the outpourings.
Are the ideas attributed to Paul the same as those of the Jesus movement in Jerusalem led by Jesus’s brother James? When did Paul who confessed he knew not Jesus come on the scene? Did his Hellenistic methodology not colour his understanding of Judaism?
IronsideNovember 23, 2019 7:24 AM
@GP November 18, 2019 3:27 PM
RE:
RUBBISH AS USUAL WITH A BIG DOSE OF BIAS
IRONSIDE BLOWS HOT AND COLD, AND IS CLEARLY A NOVICE WHO IS INCONSISTENT etc
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I REPEAT THE ABOVE WITH OUT FEAR OF CONTRADICTION
My summary analysis is that your role on this blog is to bring the Bible and Christianity into disrepute by your very obnoxious and unchristian behaviour.
THAT IS YOUR OPINION
I am therefore forced to conclude that you are a DEEPLY DISTURBED individual [like some of the street preachers], a position with which other bloggers seem to concur.
SO YOU ARE A PSEUDO PSYCHOLOGIST TOO?
GUESS WHAT I DONT RICE AT YOU OR THE OTHER BLOGGERS AND I DONT CARE WHAT YOU AND OTHER BLOGGERS THINK SINCE I WILL NOT APPEAR BEFORE EITHER YOU OR THE OTHER BLOGGERS AT THE BEMA
My advice? Before coming online again take a dose of genuine “gospills”. They can be obtained entirely free at FOS (Fruit of the Spirit) Pharmacy and no prescription is necessary!
MORE NICE SOUNDING RUBBISH
YOU ARE SEEKING TO ADJUDICATE WITHOUT THE FACTS
GO READ JOHN 7:24
RE Spirituality are principles created and defined by God placed within the soul of man which when activated places mankind on a path of being good holy closer to God
WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!
PLEASE GIVE SCRIPTURES THAT STATE THE ABOVE
WHERE IS THIS DEFINED
HOW ARE THESE PRINCIPLES ACTIVATED
RE Jesus in his parables ofen tried to awaken the spiritual gifts within mankind
100% RUBBISH
MAN KIND HAS NO INNATE SPIRITUAL GIFTS
AND YOU CAN NOT SUPPORT YOUR NONSENSICAL STATEMENT BY ANY SCRIPTURE
READ THE NT PROPERLY AND SEE WHEN AND WHY JESUS USED PARABLES AND TO WHOM
RE Reason why he made mention of sowing also knocking seeeking with profound acclamation to love compassion fondly known as the fruit of the spirit
ANOTHER JUMBLED WORD SALAD EVINCING A LACK OF COMPREHENSION
WHAT EXACTLY IS ” profound acclamation to love compassion fondly known as the fruit of the spirit”
PLEASE EXPLAIN WITH REFERENCE TO RELEVANT SCRIPTURES
IF YOU WANT TO READ RUBBISH BY BRIMBLERS AND BIBLE ILLITERATES——-THE BU RUM SHOP IS THE PLACE TO COME
RE I am not at all surprised by the outpourings.
NOR AM I YOU WILL ALWAYS SPEW NONSENSE WHEN YOU HAVE NOT STUDIED
RE Are the ideas attributed to Paul the same as those of the Jesus movement in Jerusalem led by Jesus’s brother James?
THIS STATEMENT EVINCES THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE BOOK OF ACTS OR THE SIGNIFICANCE OF ACTS 1::8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
RE When did Paul who confessed he knew not Jesus come on the scene?
IT IS CLEARLY STATED IN ACTS 9
RE Did his Hellenistic methodology not colour his understanding of Judaism?
PAUL WAS NOT HELLINISTIC HE WAS AN ORTHODOX JEW AS CLEARLY STATED IN PHILIPPIANS 3
PAUL NO LONGER CARED ABOUT JUDAISM AS IS CLEAR FROM HIS STATEMENTS IN GALATIANS 3:24
22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
RE 1 Jesus words supersedes above all others words
2 Jesus principles directs all into a simplistic way of life
3 Jesus summarize the ten commanments into two commands making it easy for all to understand and to follow
Paul expound in his teachings things which would glorify and please God as principles for the Christain walk with Christ.
IF 1 2 & 3 ARE TRUE WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF PAUL’S TEACHINGS ?
WERE THE BOOKS WRITTEN BY PAUL INSPIRED BY GOD? OR DID PAUL JUST SHOOT OF HIS MOUTH AS BU BIBLE ILLITERATES DO WITH THEIR MORONIC MOUTHINGS AD HOMINEMS AND WORD SALADS UNSUBSTANTIATED BY ANY SCRIPTURE RIGHTLY DIVIDED IN THEIR CONTEXT?
@ GP
Paul wrote no books. These are letters to christian communities in several locations in the Mediterranean Area.
THE BIBLE IS SAID TO BE COMPOSED OF 66 BOOKS
THE PAULINE EPISTLES ARE CONSIDERED BY THEOLOGIANS AS BOOKS
PAUL WROTE LETTERS TO CHURCHES NOT COMMUNITIES
THESE CHURCHES WERE NOT IN THE Mediterranean Area. BUT ASIA MINOR
THIS IS VERY BASIC INFORMATION TAUGHT IN SUNDAY SCHOOL TO LITTLE CHILDREN IN BIBLIOCENTRIC CHURCHES
@Mariposa November 23, 2019 8:19 AM
++Is there a difference between spirituality and religion
Yes there is++
[Agreed ]
++Religion is man made rules and regulations infused to control man is++
[Agreed ]
+++Spirituality are principles created and defined by God placed within the soul of man which when activated places mankind on a path of being good holy closer to God +++
If by principles you mean “a yearning for the Creator; a wanting to do good” I concur. Spirituality, like nature abhors a vacuum.
+++“when activated”+++ How does that happen and what is the process thereafter?
+++Jesus in his parables ofen [sic] tried to awaken the spiritual gifts within mankind +++
What are those gifts? Can you give an example from the Scriptures?
These gifts are called the fruits if the Spirit
Hence the word “Spirit”and it connection to spirituality given as a bonding between God and Man
e g.love ..compassion kindness..peace ..joy
@ GP
We graduated from Sunday School a long time ago. When are we going to have a mature conversation on our BELIEFS?
RE We graduated from Sunday School a long time ago.
YOU DID NOT SEEM TO LEARN VERY MUCH AT YOUR SUNDAY SCHOOL GOING FROM YOUR COMMENTS, MOST OF WHICH ARE ERRONEOUS
YOU SAY YOU GRADUATED from Sunday School a long time ago, BUT YOU DIDNT SEEM TO LEARN THE VERY BASIC INFORMATION TAUGHT IN SUNDAY SCHOOL TO LITTLE CHILDREN IN BIBLIOCENTRIC CHURCHES
RE When are we going to have a mature conversation on our BELIEFS?
for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
2 TIMOTHY1:12
I BELIEVE THE BIBLE……….I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU BELIEVE.
YOU COME SEEKING TO CONTRADICT ME AND TEACH ME——-BUT YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED.
FOR TEN YEARS ANGELA COLE HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO THE SAME HERE ON BU , WITH HER GOBBLEDEGOOKS UNSUBSTANTIATED BY ANY SCRIPTURES
Dont forget Traditions a staple reinforced in christain doctrines some taken from old testament and some from the new testament found in many of the Apostles teachings
RE Dont forget Traditions a staple reinforced in christain doctrines some taken from old testament and some from the new testament found in many of the Apostles teachings
MORE RUBBISH MORE WORD SALAD BY THE CONSUMATE BIBLE ILLITERATE
PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS BALONEY
WHAT ARE THE Traditions (THAT ARE) a staple (THAT ARE) reinforced in christain doctrines
CITE AND DISCUSS THESE christain doctrines some taken from old testament and some from the new testament found in many of the Apostles teachings
NO CRICKET TO WATCH YET
PLEASE GIVE ME SOME MORE AMUSEMENT I BEG YOU
WHAT ARE THE Traditions (THAT ARE ) a staple reinforced in christain doctrines?
HOW CAN Traditions BE reinforced in christain doctrines
DEFINE TRADITIONS? WHAT DID JESUS SAY ABOUT TRADITIONS? WHERE?WHEN?WHY? TO WHOM?
DEFINE christain doctrines. WHAT ARE THESE?
Traditions lets start with Christmas
Tradition of Man
Where in the bible does Jesus call for the celebration of his birth
Easter
Palm Sunday
There are others that were man made and reinforced also includes in Christain ideologies
@Mariposa November 23, 2019 11:38 AM and @Vincent Codrington November 23, 2019 11:51 AM
RE: GP We graduated from Sunday School a long time ago. When are we going to have a mature conversation on our BELIEFS?
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I respect the fact that you are willing to discuss spiritual issues and I assume that willingness is genuine. Therefore, although it is not my fault, I apologize for the unseemly responses given to date by GP. I will try my best to put forward what I understand from the Scriptures:
+++Spiritual Gifts+++
We first hear the expression, “spiritual gifts”, used by Paul in 1 Corinthians:
Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed. 1 Corinthians 12:1, Berean Study Bible
The New Living Translation version of this verse is very instructive:
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Now, dear brothers and sisters, regarding your question about the special abilities the Spirit gives us. I don’t want you to misunderstand this. 1 Corinthians 12:1, NLT
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The term “spiritual gifts” therefore, refers to special abilities given by the Holy Spirit, the third person in what theologians call the Godhead or Trinity.
Note that even though the phrase was first used in 1 Corinthians 12:1, the gifts first manifested themselves in the apostles in Acts on the Day of Pentecost. The gift displayed then was speaking in other tongues, the more fancy title for which is glossolalia. Here is the Bible account:
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…They saw tongues like flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. Acts 2:4 -5
It is important to note that this outpouring on the Apostles was promised by Jesus back in Acts 1:8 before he ascended:
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight.… Acts 1:8-9
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Even further back in John 14:16 Yeshua [Jesus] had said:
Then I will ask the Father to send you the Holy Spirit who will help you and always be with you. Contemporary English Version
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From the above at least THREE things should be clear:
ONE: The spiritual gifts are not innate in man; we were not born with them.
TWO: Spiritual gifts are only available to those who are followers of Jesus. This point is worth emphasizing because Yeshua [Jesus] made it himself part of the passage I quoted earlier:
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And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever the Spirit of truth. THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE HIM [emphasis mine] because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.
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THREE: The Holy Spirit plays major roles in the lives of the believer. Some of them are: (a) empowering Christians to do the work assigned to them here on earth (2) providing comfort to them (3) counselling them and (4) teaching them. All of these can be backed up by Scripture.
This is already a lengthy response, so I am leaving this here for the time being so that we can think about / talk about it.
I know there are dozens of questions that people ask about this matter and there is a lot of religious hype about it. But this is not so new and many of the questions were answered in the Bible because of the confusion even early Christians had about them.
I hope this was helpful.
RE Traditions lets start with Christmas
Tradition of Man
Where in the bible does Jesus call for the celebration of his birth
Easter
Palm Sunday
There are others that were man made and reinforced also includes in Christain ideologies
NO SERIOUS BIBLIOCENTRIC BIBLE TEACHING CHURCH CELEBRATE THESE THINGS
SERIOUS BIBLIOCENTRIC BIBLE TEACHING CHURCH TEACH BIBLE THEY DO NOT SPEND TIME TALKING RUBBISH OR ABOUT “Christain ideologies” WHAT EVER THOSE ARE
THEY ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR IN THEIR TEACHINGS
THOSE WHO DONT KNOW KEEP QUIET OR ASK QUESTIONS POLITELY
THEY KNOW THAT YOU CANT TEACH HAVING NOT LEARNED
IRONSIDE NOW COME PUN BU
HEAR HIM
I respect the fact that you are willing to discuss spiritual issues and I assume that willingness is genuine. Therefore, although it is not my fault, I apologize for the unseemly responses given to date by GP. I will try my best to put forward what I understand from the Scriptures:
HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW ZOE DICTIONARY AND I FOR TEN YEARS HAVE HAD TO CONTEND WITH THE RUBBISH SPEWED HERE ON BU BY ANGELA COLE AND OTHERS ……………….. FOR TEN LONG YEARS
I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN ANY GATHERING ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND HEARD THE CONCENTRATED RUBBISH THAT I HAVE SEEN ON BU
EVEN WHEN YOU SHOW CHAPTER AND VERSE SOUND SUCCESSIVE SEQUENTIAL TEACHING IS REPELLED BY THE BETZPAENIC BU BRAYERS BARKERS AND BRAYERS
“Father forgive them. They know not what they are doing.”
@Vincent
You come over as a man who demonstrates your faith through deeds as a single example?
ACTUALLY HE COMES OVER AS A BONE FIDE BIBLE ILLITERATE
THE ONLY PEOPLE HERE THAT NEED TO BE FORGIVEN FOR NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE DOING ARE THE BONE FIDE BIBLE ILLITERATES
WHEN THE MICROBIOLOGISTS TALK–THEY SAY NOTHING CAUSE THEY KNOW NAUGHT ABOUT MICROBES
WHEN THE LAWYER SPOKE THEY WOULD BRIMBLE; THEY COULD NOT UNDERSTAND HIS ENGLISH FAR LESS THE VAGARIES OF THE LAW
WHEN THE ECONOMISTS AND ACCOUNTS SPEAK I LISTEN CAUSE THAT IS NOT MY FIELD
WHEN IT COMES TO BIBLE, EVERYONE THINKS THAT THEY CAN TALK RUBBISH, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE NOT STUDIED
SO WHEN THEY DO THAT, AND I MOCK , I AM WRONG? I DONT THINK SO?
TO DEMONSTRATE FAITH ONE MUST HAVE FAITH
HOW DO YOU GET FAITH ?
ROMANS 10:17 IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS——VERY CLEAR!
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Ironside:
You are too quick to judge, and with me, you are ALWAYS wrong with your accusations.
Following Jesus’ commandments is not how you inherit eternal life (or are saved). That cannot be earned, but is a gracious gift based on the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, our Messiah. We need only accept it. Is that “another gospel” Ironside?
Once we have been adopted in God’s family, what should we do. Jesus stated that we should follow Him, and gave His followers commandments. What are we supposed to do with these commandments? Why not let Jesus answer that.
“Whoever breaks the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:19)
Note that both of them will be in the Kingdom, and both the immature and the mature will have chosen their state. Jesus noted that the wise will do his commandments – but the foolish will not.
@ nextparty246 November 23, 2019 9:28 PM
RE: Ironside: You are too quick to judge, and with me, you are ALWAYS wrong with your accusations.
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If you adopted the practice of judging YOURSELF before you commit “pen to paper” or open your mouth, there would be no need to make such a statement!
The truth is that you need to do something about your presentation/writing skills. There is such a thing as putting your thesis or point in a context so that people find it difficult to misconstrue where you are coming from.
You failed to do this and therefore left yourself open to the charge I made. In case you have not noticed, people are good at “reading the lines, between the lines and beyond the lines” (quote compliments a former educator and journalist, Gladstone Holder)
What you are saying now (see below) needs to be “foregrounded”:
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Re: nextparty246 November 23, 2019 9:28 PM: Following Jesus’ commandments is not how you inherit eternal life (or are saved). That cannot be earned, but is a gracious gift based on the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, our Messiah. We need only accept it. Is that “another gospel” Ironside?
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So why are you telling me and did not tell the whole BU community? Are you afraid to proclaim the full gospel so that you are not labelled a fundamentalist?
This country is falling to pieces and you think your watered down, and frankly misleading version of the gospel, is going to help solve the problem? What is your real goal or purpose in writing? Are you in a popularity contest? If so, you are definitely not winning it!
More follows…..
@ nextparty246 November 23, 2019 9:28 PM
“Whoever breaks the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:19)
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If I “read between the lines”, it seems that your understanding of the gospel stops at the pre-crucifixion, Old Covenant period. In the gospels, Jesus had to speak about the commandments because at that point the listeners were still under the Old Covenant (the Law). Furthermore he had to show that he was the fulfillment of the Law, which he was at pains (pun intended) to point out.
Hello! None of us can obey the commandments by our own efforts! Even if we could, it is NOT enough! So your stressing obedience of the commandments as a PREPARATION or PRECURSOR is misleading. Here is the Scripture loud and clear:
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For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are. Romans 3:20, New Living Translation.
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Now I know that our prideful human nature does NOT want to accept that but the Scripture is very clear!
Have explained any of this? Absolutely not!
Under the New (post-crucifixion)Covenant, the one that starts with acceptance of the sacrifice of Christ, God promises to write His laws on our hearts so that there is inherent motivation to obey the commandments AND GO BEYOND. Here is Jehovah being quoted in Hebrews:
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This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. Hebrews 8:10, New International Version.
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Have explained any of this? Absolutely not!
Sir, I will not let you water down the gospel or preach a “humanistic gospel”. It does not matter whether people want to ACCEPT the truth or not. Fundamentalist or not, it is Jehovah’s truth!
When people can’t deal with the truth they start using irrelevant, and often idiotic labels, rather than sound reasoning. The labels shut down the argument and settle the problem; or so they think! Apparently, some also think that you cannot apply your intellect in a rigorous manner to spiritual things; only to politics or economics etc.
Well, you can’t want someone with a greater intellect than Yeshua! People don’t read and/or do not take time to understand the Scriptures, so they do not appreciate (or cannot discern) how Yeshua handled matters of religion, economics, politics, justice, etc.
So then, our job is to PRESENT the unvarnished truth and leave people to make a choice.
Then their blood will be on their own heads!
Wrong again Ironside – and very misleading.
Jesus was very clear that He expects His followers to obey His commandments.
Unfortunately, some decide that Jesus’ commandments are not to be followed. They retard their own growth with this decision. The also irresponsibly damage the growth of others by discouraging them from growing.
When we do not grow according to Jesus’ commandments, we remain infantile. We can only study the ABCs, but you can only do that for so long. So we keep studying and complicating the simplicity of Jesus’ messages.
Stubbornly deciding not to believe Jesus’ clear instructions on His commandments results in that person deceiving themselves into delaying their progress. Hear Paul.
“Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (2 Tim 3:7)
Passive-aggressive and intolerant. Serious mental problem. A Hitler in the making.
https://www.barbadosadvocate.com/news/many-steps-still-go-bishop-seale
Recalling experiences, he declared that in 2019 Barbados, race still matters.
“As an interracial couple, my wife and I over the years built friendships with other interracial couples. We learnt from experiences that there are places in Barbados where the white partner must be the visible one, and other places where the black partner must be the visible one.”
Really ?
https://www.nationnews.com/IMG/247/90247/frontpagefinal20191125dn001-8.jpg
Wait until the New Barbadians arrive in large numbers if you really want to see segregation. The resident knows this, but she is playing with fire.
Hal, the maker of consistent stupid accusations, regardless of the topic discussed.
Little Hitler,
Plse mention a single accusation I have made (ignore the stupid ones). For your information, get your dictionary out and lookup the meaning of the verb to accuse.
You are a would-be tyrant. You are sick. Seek help. Because someone disagrees with you does not mean they should be shot at dawn.
BULLING BAJAN BECOMES BISHOP
https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/11/23/gay-married-barbadian-priest-elected-bishop-of-missoiuri/
@ nextparty246 November 25, 2019 12:54 AM
“Wrong again Ironside – and very misleading.
Jesus was very clear that He expects His followers to obey His commandments.
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Are you one of “His” genuinely upright followers, GP No.2?
If so why don’t you follow to the ISO 9001 standard of adherence His ‘following’ commandment?
“All these I have kept,” said the young man. “What do I still lack?”
Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
Then come, follow Me.”
When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth.
When are you rich (but getting old) man going to follow this commandment before it’s too late to enter the kingdom of heaven without a priest praying for your dead soul?
Why not ‘sell’ your mansion in suburbia Barbados and move to the New Orleans (where the poor and dispossessed reside) in order to spread the glad tidings of following Jesus?
While living like Saint Francis of Assisi you could make yourself useful to the very poor by using your structural engineering skills in improving the quality of housing in that area.
Jesus fed and healed the poor. Why can’t you house them without behaving like the chief of the bedroom police force, with your own invented GP surveillance system in place?
How about that, Junior GP?
Please don’t prove Hal Asstin ‘right’ by behaving like a Hitler in Goebbels-designer diapers!
@Miller
Do you practice your bible at the Lodge?
MILLER
RE Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
Then come, follow Me.”
YA GOT HE BY DE BALLS
LET HIM PRACTICE THAT RULE BY JESUS LOL LOL LOL MURDAH
@ David November 25, 2019 4:40 PM
Which Lodge is that?
Are you referring to the lodge for Masons like many in the Bajan fraternity of politics and the judiciary?
Or are you thinking of Rosicrucianism the Order of the Rosy Cross in the shape of the virgin Mary womb aka the centre of our galaxy for Ascended Masters like Jesus?
Or are you knowingly thinking of the Biblical Order of Melchizedek of which Abraham was a subject and the eponymous Jesus a lifelong member?
Or are you inadvertently alluding to the ‘Holy’ Catholic Church which is about to implode from the sexual sins of its male hierarchy?
@Miller
Take your pick!
Hal: You simply cannot stop yourself from making stupid accusations, regardless of the topic discussed. Carry on then.
Miller:
The context of the passage you quoted follows.
“Now behold, one came and said to Him [Jesus], “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” ” (Matthew 19:16)
To inherit eternal life, we must be perfect – which is not possible for us to achieve by ourselves. Jesus showed the fellow just how impossible it was to be perfect.
This article is not about perfection. Rather, it is about being trained using the method specified by Jesus.
LOL
Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
Then come, follow Me.”
MAN YOU REALLY TWISTED UP
EVEN MILLER GOT YOU TANGLED UP
RE To inherit eternal life, we must be perfect PLEASE KINDLY CITE ALL THE SCRIPTURES THAT TEACH THIS
START IN JOHN 1 THEN GO TO JOHN 3 AND CONTINUE AND LEARN HOW ETERNAL LIFE IS INHERITED
MAN YOU WORST THAN SLEEPY JOE BIDEN
Grenville,
But you hard ears doah!
What is the purpose of this nonsense submission????!!!!
This is not going to win you any election neither is it going to convert anybody. So you have failed as a politician AND as a preacher.
You spend too much time responding to those who criticize you rather than allowing your solutions to speak for themselves.
Your solutions have been lacking in depth and your preaching likewise.
And this is why GP the original will continue to sing his song regardless of your thinly veiled attempt to smack him.
Sorry. Wrong blog. Meant for Nonsense: Part 2.
I have accused you of being a Little Hitler, an intolerant Napoleon. Am I wrong?
Hal:
You have come into this space/class trying to be the class clown. Are you being paid to behave so badly, or are you doing this all by yourself.
If the latter, then you should be ashamed to behave like a little bully on the playground at this time on your life. Tragically, everyone can see your decline. It is time you acted your age.
ONE MAN CALLING ANOTHER A CLOWN YET HE IS A WHOLE CIRCUS WHO IS UNABLE TO SHOW US THAT HIS SOLUTIONS BARBADOS HAS NO SOLUTIONS FOR BARBADOS
HERE HE IS UPBRAIDING AN ELDERLY MAN FOR HIS DECLINE
IF HE IS UNDERGOING THE DECLINE OF THE BODY OF HIS HUMILIATION (VILE BODY IN THE KJV) WHAT AGE WILL HE ACT OUT?
FILLUPS NEED SOME TRAINING IN GERONTOLOGY
IT MIGHT JUST HELP HIM TO UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE SENIORS IN THE ELECTORATE
IS FILLUPS HARASSING HAL BECAUSE HE IS FRUSTRATED BECAUSE HE IS UNABLE TO SHOW US THAT HIS SOLUTIONS BARBADOS HAS NO SOLUTIONS FOR BARBADOS
IS GRENVILLE LASHING OUT BECAUSE HE GETTING LASHES?
IS GRENVILLE LASHING OUT BECAUSE HE IS FAILING TO GAIN TRACTION DESPITE ALL THAT HE IS DOING?