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Much of the discussion going on in Barbados today about the current situation in the country tends to ignore both the historical and international context. However, it is very difficult to make sense of the current situation without taking these into account.

From a historical point of view, the origin of modern Barbados can be traced back to 1627, when the rising English merchant class and their aristocratic backers took control of the island and established it as a cog in Britain’s growing imperial economy. Its sole role in this relationship was, through various forms of forced labour and slavery, to generate wealth which would, in the main, be transferred to Britain for consumption. Therefore by the early 1920s, after 200 years under capitalism as slavery and 100 years under capitalism as colonial apartheid, the mass of working class Bajans, who were mainly the descendants of the enslaved Africans, were living in utter poverty and degradation. Mary Chamberlain in her book, Empire and Nation-Building in the Caribbean: Barbados, 1937-1966, points out that “wages in Barbados were the lowest in the region, ….. Barbados was one of the poorest of the British West Indian colonies…… public health was ‘peculiarly deplorable’…and Infant and child mortality were at devastating levels”. Even the British government’s Moyne Commission reported that in 1937, Barbados had the highest infant mortality rate and the second lowest number of government doctors per 100, 000 of the population in Britain’s Caribbean colonies.

It was in order to address these deplorable social conditions that the then generation of Bajans developed the early trade unions and political parties. With the winning of universal suffrage in 1951, there emerged a historic compromise. The old plantocracy, both local and foreign, were guaranteed their continued control of the island’s economy, while the new black governments of the BLP and DLP carried out social reforms to raise the standard of living of the mass of Bajans. These reforms in the fields of education, health care, public transport, public health and social welfare, coupled with the economic benefits of emigration, had a significant impact on the standard of living of most working class Bajans. They were possible because they took place against a background in which the ‘social welfare state’ was the dominant form of management of global capitalism. This approach rejected the 19th century free market arrangements where only the capitalists were considered as having a legitimate claim on the society’s wealth and where for the workers it was ‘every turkey fuh he own craw’. Those who failed to make it in this cut throat approach would have to fall back on the charity of the rich or go over the cliff. The social welfare state rejected this concept and in its place declared the responsibility of the society towards its members ‘from the cradle to the grave.’

Today, the international context has changed significantly. Neo-liberalism has emerged now as the dominant means of organising global capitalism. Its main characteristic is restricting the claim of the working class on the wealth they produce so that more can be funnelled to the rich and super rich. It amounts to robbing the poor to pay the rich. Workers wage levels are frozen or cut under austerity programs, workers are sacked and left jobless, tax cuts are brought in for the rich, social welfare programs which benefit the mass of people are cut or abolished, public utilities are turned into money making opportunities for the rich through privatisation and government contracts to private firms become a new form of corporate welfare. The aim and net effect of these reforms are to erode the standard of living of the working people and, wherever they are applied, there is a deepening of social inequality, with its resultant social despair, frustration and crime.

 

The point that we need to recognise is that the old model of economic and social development that Barbados has experienced over the last 80 or so years is over. This is the nub of the issue. The neo-liberal economic model demands the step by step shredding of the social welfare arrangements to which the country has become accustomed. Despite the claims of the IMF, this is not a temporary arrangement to help the country get back on its feet, but is intended as a permanent setup in which the standard of living of ordinary Bajans is reduced. All over the world, working people are beginning to voice their opposition to this direction of travel. The question is when will Bajans join in.


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572 responses to “Barbados in the BIG Picture”


  1. @ The Truth,

    I rest my case.


  2. It is a thing most strange John the Quaker that you tell us that we must forget our past

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    Never advocated forgetting the past.

    However, understanding it is what I would promote!!


  3. Then you will post as John the Quaker and at times it seems like if you glorify the shame that is slavery.

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    I have never glorified slavery.

    I have glorified the end of several millennia in less than 2 centuries.

    I have pointed out the fact that as a socialist construct, the plantation saw after its own from cradle to grave.


  4. @The Truth Shall Set you Free
    I slaw enjoy good batting. You must explain how you despatch that long-hop to the boundary. Beautiful footwork.

  5. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    john

    run dem ragged

    its real fun to see dem getting on like the dems


  6. John
    May 13, 2019 5:35 PM

    Then you will post as John the Quaker and at times it seems like if you glorify the shame that is slavery.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I have never glorified slavery.
    I have glorified the end of several millennia in less than 2 centuries.
    I have pointed out the fact that as a socialist construct, the plantation saw after its own from cradle to grave.

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    Quakers doing God’s will.

    Most slaves did not come to British colonies, they went to Portuguese and Spanish colonies.

    Wouldn’t it be logical to expect that any work to end slavery should have happened in South and Central America?

    Wouldn’t you expect the Roman Catholic Church to be in the forefront?

    Yet, it was not.

    It took a few non conformists who came to the fore after 1648 to wind it up!!!

    You should be asking …. WHY?

    If slavery was such a shame in your eyes, why didn’t the major churches end it?

    You only know about the role of the Quakers because of what I write!!

    My guess is you never really thought about it.

    Your problem is that much of what I say conflicts with what you have been led to believe.

    … but that’s your problem, not mine.

    A logical dispassionate person would go and dig deep and see which version of events is correct and then act to suit.

  7. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    scientific method of washing the brain

    1 squeeze two limes into a litre of water
    2 add 5 tablespoons of brown sugar
    3 stir well
    4 drink the mixture which will leave the stomach and enter the blood stream
    5 having reached the heart it will be sent via the internal carotids up to the circle of Willis and thence to the brain tissue
    6 repeat steps 1-5 daily for a year

    your brain would have been adequately washed if you “bow to my self-perceived “superior knowledge” and accept as gospel, what I have spewed above

    .


  8. What I have also pointed out that there were two slave populations in Barbados, one that lived on the plantation and one that did not.

    They were about equal in size from what I see, but in time I will get more precise.

  9. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    if in scientifically using the method of washing the brain too much, the brain washing fluid can go to Broca’s area 44 and your mouth will twist up and you will have to get AN EMERGENCY POST MORTEM
    MURDAH

  10. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    john IS white

    he went to HC, WHERE YA DOES GET YA BRAIN WASH TO TURN YA INTO A HOUSE NEGRO
    WAS JOHN WASHED FROM BEING WHITE TO BEING A HOUSE NEGRO?

    WHAT DOES A WHITE HOUSE NEGRO LOOK LIKE?

  11. The Truth Shall Set You Free Avatar
    The Truth Shall Set You Free

    Hal Austin, you are the one who said that while China and the US are shaping up for war, Bajans are on the blog talking nonsense.

    Your 4:06 PM contribution was one in which you could have discussed the US/China issue you introduced to BU.

    But you preferred to WASTE that SECOND OPPORTUNITY to elaborate on the pending war situation, to respond to my comments instead.

    In doing so, you can’t get away from the fact that you are another Bajan who came to the blog talking nonsense too.

    The Bajan culture is in you.

    I rest my case.


  12. @ Truth,

    You cannot have a discussion of one, unless you are talking to yourself. The simmering face off between the US and China concerns the rest of the world. There is a lot there to discuss. Do you want to discuss the China/US passive aggression?
    But, true to form (it is cultural) you jump in hysterically on the attack. What most civilised people do is if the issue does not appeal to them they keep quiet. But you obviously want a row. It is the Napoleon syndrome.

  13. The Truth Shall Set You Free Avatar
    The Truth Shall Set You Free

    @ Hal Austin

    Are for real?

    Let me break this down so uncivilized people may be able understand.

    People on the blog discussing the Quakers among other things, and you made the following comment:

    “Here we are, with the US and China shaping up for war, and Bajans on a blog talking nonsense. You just could not make it up. It must be cultural.”

    You said: “What most civilised people do is if the issue does not appeal to them they keep quiet. But you obviously want a row. It is the Napoleon syndrome,”

    Hal Austin, “if Bajans on a blog talking nonsense” DID NOT APPEAL TO YOU, you SHOULD HAVE KEPT QUIET!!!

    You DID NOT KEEP QUIET, so that mean you are NOT “civilized” too.

    Instead of IGNORING me, you WASTED YET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY to make a comment on China and the US shaping up for war, to GENERATE a discussion, but you preferred to attack me sarcastically.

    You know that you are ALWAYS on the attack and sarcastic. Is it not the same thing as “true to form (it is cultural) you jump in hysterically on the attack?”

    Remember, don’t care how long you lived in England, you ARE still a Bajan. Since you are EXHIBITING all the things you describe as being cultural just like all the rest of us………..it definitely MUST be a cultural thing.

    This is a blog, and just like everyone else, you can post a contribution on what you want to discuss and contributors have the option to discuss it or not.

    Hal Austin, you not as intelligent as you think you are.

    Be a good boy and instead of wasting another opportunity by responding to me, write something about China and the US and let’s take the discussion from there.

    Or are you waiting for someone else to start the discussion? They could also say “You cannot have a discussion of one, unless you are talking to yourself.”

  14. The Truth Shall Set You Free Avatar
    The Truth Shall Set You Free

    Hal, old chap

    Here we are, with the US and China shaping up for war, and you and me on a blog talking nonsense.

    You ain’t no different to none of us here.

    Cheers. old chappy.


  15. Then you will post as John the Quaker and at times it seems like if you glorify the shame that is slavery.

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    From where do you or anyone else get the thought process that relegates slavery to a shame?

    Why are you or anyone else different in thought from any of the millions/billions who lived before the advent of the Quakers and accepted slavery as completely normal, natural, legal and moral?

    You, believe it or not, are thinking like a Quaker.

    The same goes for equality of the sexes!!

    It is the Quakers who first considered women and men spiritual equals!!

    Here is a relatively small group of non conformists who had an unbelievably profound effect on the world and you did not even have a clue as to their existence.

    The reason I believe you, and until recently I myself were so ignorant of history is because they were literally … written right out of it.

    I figure I know why and even perhaps who but still digging.


  16. @John

    We can agree with you that positions will evolve over time. It does not legitimize what would have gone before does it?


  17. “It is the Quakers who first considered women and men spiritual equals”
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    Oh the Eurocentrism!!! Europeans are not the only human beings and European experience is not equivalent to all human experience. For thousands of years, long before Christianity even reached Europe, various African societies have respected men and women as equal human beings but the Quakers are the first. SMH


  18. David
    May 14, 2019 8:03 AM

    @John
    We can agree with you that positions will evolve over time. It does not legitimize what would have gone before does it?

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    Until 1833, slavery was legitimate in the British Empire.

    As a result of the efforts of the Quakers it was delegitimized in the British Empire thereafter.

    Subsequently, it was delegitimized in the whole world!!

    Here is the amazing thing.

    The first Quaker to take a seat in the British Parliament was Joseph Pease …. in 1832, the year before!!

    They simply used their connections to make the emancipation proclamation reality and had been doing it for years through Wilberforce and others.

    http://www.quakersintheworld.org/quakers-in-action/305/British-Quakers-in-Parliament-in-the-Nineteenth-Century


  19. Tee White
    May 14, 2019 4:44 PM

    “It is the Quakers who first considered women and men spiritual equals”
    ####
    Oh the Eurocentrism!!! Europeans are not the only human beings and European experience is not equivalent to all human experience. For thousands of years, long before Christianity even reached Europe, various African societies have respected men and women as equal human beings but the Quakers are the first. SMH

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    You firing wild and not thinking!!

    http://web.tricolib.brynmawr.edu/speccoll/quakersandslavery/commentary/themes/radical_quaker_women.pdf


  20. So why does slavery exist today and no one on BU seems to have a problem?

    You would think we would all give thanks for the contribution of remarkable people centuries ago who helped show us the way.

    You would think we would raise our voices and actually do something about slavery today … but I guess we aren’t very remarkable people!!

  21. Freedom Crier Avatar

    JOHN ALL OF WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS FACTUAL…

    BU RECOGNIZE THE IDEOLOGY THAT PROMOTES SLAVERY…PART A

    THE COMMUNIST/MARXIST/SOCIALIST Ideology and the taking Away of Agency have Killed more people in the Last hundred Years even surpassing people like Attila the Hun and his Hordes. The Ideology of Communism/Marxism /Socialism/Religious Supremacy have Killed more people than your mind could Fathom and will turn a Blind eye to.

    Mao Zedong Catastrophes 1946-1976 = 70 million.
    Stalinist Crimes against humanity and genocide 1922-1953 =60 million
    Nazi Holocaust 1939-1945 = 17 million.
    Mass killings under Chinese Nationalist Government 1928-1946 = 1 million Chinese civilians starved or killed in order to fend off communist advance

    Hundreds of thousands peasants and communist killed in political repression.

    1.75 to 2.5 million Chinese starving to death due to grain being confiscated and sold to other peasants for the profit of Nationalist Government officials.

    4.2 million Chinese perishing before even entering combat due starving to death or dying from disease during horrific conscription campaigns.

    440,000 to 893,000 Chinese civilians perishing in a man made flood by the Nationalist to stop a Japanese advance.

    5.Japanese War Holocaust 1895-1945= between 3 and 14 million civilians and prisoners of war through massacre, human experimentation, starvation, and forced labor that was either directly perpetrated or condoned by the Japanese military and government.

    6.Khmer Rouge Holocaust 1975-1979= The Cambodian genocide was carried out by the Khmer Rouge regime led by Pol Pot between 1975 and 1979 in which an estimated 1.5 to 3 million people died. The Cambodian Civil War resulted in the establishment of Democratic Kampuchea by the victorious Khmer Rouge, which planned to create a form of agrarian Socialism founded on the ideals of Stalinism and Maoism. The subsequent policies caused forced relocation of the population from urban centers, torture, mass executions, use of forced labor, malnutrition, and disease which led to the deaths of an estimated 25 percent of the total population (around 2 million people). The genocide ended in 1979 following the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia. As of 2009, 23,745 mass graves have been discovered.

    7.Young Turk’s Ottoman Holocaust 1913-1922

    A collective term to refer to the various genocides and Ethnic cleansings the Ottoman Empire committed under the administration of the Young Turks. Death toll is the combined death tolls of the Armenian Genocide (800,000 to 1,500,000), Assyrian Genocide (150,000 to 300,000), and Greek Genocide(289,000 to 750,000), and combined with the Great Famine of Mount Lebanon (200,000).

    THE RESULTS OF MODERN DAY SLAVERS…

    Blacks in Africa Kill other Blacks Remember Rwanda?

    Blacks in America kill Blacks as in Chicago.

    Whites Kill Whites…Remember World War 11?

    Japanese Kill Chinese…Remember World War 11?

    Chinese Kill Chinese…As in MAO!

    Australians Killed Aboriginals…

    Muslims Slaughter MILLIONS in Pakistan and down into India.

    You have modern day Eugenics’ Democrats supporting Planned Parenthood (MURDERHOOD) that is EXTERMINATING off 60% of the BLACK BIRTHS.

    IN THE NUTSHELL, THESE RUTHLESS IDEOLOGIES PROMOTE KILLING WHEN YOU DO NOT COMPLY.

    Matt Kibbe: Socialism Kills

  22. Freedom Crier Avatar

    THE PHILOSOPHY OF FREEDOM … RECOGNIZING WHO IS BEHIND EVERY KIND OF TYRANNY. PART B

    BU PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING…THEY ARE A FEW HERE THAT DO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THE HORRORS OF SLAVERY IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT BOTH ANCIENT AND MODERN DAY WHILE BRINGING IT TO THE FORE. FREEDOM CRIER IS ONE THAT IS FOR SURE.

    In Each of us there is a Tendency to do Good and a Tendency to do Evil…so the Initiate asked the Master which One Would Win and the Master said the one you Feed.

    They are Only Two Philosophies in the World …That of Freedom and that of Bondage…It all comes down to the Exercise of Free Agency … Choose Whom Ye Will Serve Joshua 24:15!!

    The Gospel = Freedom of the Individual with Individual Rights and Principles… we must be able to judge the difference between Good and Evil as the Foundation for ALL Tyrannies Is the Removal of Free Agency. As in any IDEOLOGY which Exercises Force over their followers and Compels them to do what their Leaders says or else, it is then fair to say that Philosophy is against Freewill or Free Agency! 2 Corinthians 3:19: For Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty”

    The fact that the Tyranny of Liberal Progressives (Socialism/Communism) itself has been steadily gaining ground over the past century without halting between leaders or generations, actually spanning periods of history without interruption of any sort, proves to us finally that there is something more evil and sinister going on in those people that are leading this infamy…. Usually, bad ideas tend to be exposed and rejected, at least that’s what most of us expect to happen, believing that common sense will finally rule the day.

    But, tellingly, that has not happened this time. Instead the worst ideas of Government seem to have gotten root in us in such a way that it’s becoming almost impossible to reject their sinister attractions. So we must begin to ask, who is it that is behind the rampant spreading of the disease but the Adversary himself, who makes all to war against each other, and who will bring all that listen into slavery of giving away our rights, freedoms and liberties to men of evil nature, and that care not one whit about true fairness and justice.

    It’s time to connect the dots and see who is really behind socialism et al, as well as the color of every tyranny known to mankind. This is the Adversary’s game…. Always has been. And there is only one way to defeat it. Once we know the evil spirit responsible, we may then learn to repent of such foolishness and rise above the evil tide. Return to the roots of the Gospel, even Jesus Christ, that he has given to all men, that they might receive His Blessings. His is the way of Life. His is the way of Truth, and the manner by which we should be governed.

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*mpo-oMft8q69HxjfjAKAnw.jpeg


  23. “The first Quaker to take a seat in the British Parliament was Joseph Pease …. in 1832, the year before!!”

    Are you suggesting that Pease, who entered the House of Commons in 1832, was able to convince the other members to pass a Bill in July 1833 and subsequently the House of Lords on August 1, 1833 to abolish slavery in the British Empire?

    Okay, Pease entered the House of Commons in 1832, although he was not immediately allowed to take his seat. But it is interesting to note the following events, which took place PRIOR to 1832.

    1807 – The Slave Trade Act.

    1811 – The Slave Trade Felony Act.

    Are you also suggesting that abolition of slavery became a reality SOLELY on the efforts of the Quakers, and NOT including OTHER factors such as:

    (1). A change in economic interests…. whereby an independent America (in 1776) was able to trade freely and directly with French and Dutch, which, as a result saw a decline in sugar production by islands such as Barbados and Jamaica.

    (2). The “industrial revolution.”

    (3). Abolition campaigns and religious groups. The demand for freedom for enslaved people had become almost universal. It was now driven forward, not only by the formal abolition campaign but by a coalition of non-conformist churches as well as Evangelicals in the Church of England.

    (4). Resistance by the enslaved people, inspired by former slaves such as Ottobah Cugoano, Olaudah Equiano, Ignatius Sancho.

    “The French Revolution brought ideas of liberty and equality, which inspired those seeking an end to slavery (for example, Toussaint L’Ouverture who led a successful slave revolt in Haiti). Major slave revolts followed (Barbados 1816, Demerara 1822 and Jamaica 1831-1832); they reduced profitability and gave a strong indication that, regardless of political opinion, the enslaved people were not going to tolerate enslavement. The revolts shocked the British government and made them see that the costs and dangers of keeping slavery in the West Indies were too high. In places like Jamaica, many terrified plantation owners were finally ready to accept abolition rather than risk a widespread war.”

    Just asking for a friend.

  24. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    JOHN
    YOU SHOULD BE QUAKING IN YOUR BOOTS


  25. You got the point about Joseph Pease.

    Great!!!!!

    Now, have a read of Wilberforce and his spiritual journey … he was not a Quaker!!

    https://www.janeausten.co.uk/william-wilberforce/

    “In 1784 Wilberforce embarked upon a tour of Europe which would change his life and, ultimately, his whole future career. In October he travelled with his friend Isaac Milner, who had been Fellow of Queens’ College, Cambridge in the year that Wilberforce first went up. They went in the company of his mother and sister, to the French Riviera, where they spent some time. However, he had to return temporarily in February 1785, in order to give his support to Pitt’s parliamentary reforms. Milner accompanied him both back to England and on the return journey, and they used the time to read Philip Doddridge’s Rise and Progress of Religion in the Soul together, and later to study the New Testament. They were able to rejoin the party in Genoa, Italy, where they continued their tour to Spa, Switzerland. This is thought to have been the beginning of Wilberforce’s spiritual journey, and he began to rise early to read the Bible and pray, as well as to keep a personal private journal. He resolved to commit his future life and work wholly in the service of God. One of the people he sought guidance from was John Newton, the leading evangelical Anglican clergyman of the day and Rector of St Mary Woolnoth in the City of London. All those he received advice from, including Pitt, counselled him to remain in politics.”

    So how did he get to the Quakers?

    “In 1787, Sir Charles Middleton and Lady Middleton introduced Wilberforce at their house in Teston, Kent to the growing group campaigning against slave trade. Wilberforce, compelled by his strong Christian faith, was persuaded to become leader of the parliamentary campaign of the Committee for the Abolition of the Slave Trade.”

    Quakers could not be members of parliament but it did not mean they had no voice there!!

    So who was Wilberforce’s good buddy? …. William Pitt the younger who would become PM!!!

    “Wilberforce went up to St John’s College, Cambridge in 1776, where he immersed himself in the social round of the students, and felt little inclination to apply himself to serious study. Amongst these surroundings, he befriended the young William Pitt, who would become a lifelong friend. Although at first shocked by the goings on around him, he later pursued a somewhat hedonistic lifestyle himself, enjoying playing cards, gambling, and late-night drinking sessions – although he refrained from doing so to excess; the extreme behaviour of some of his fellow students he found distasteful and he never engaged in their sexual excesses. He was awarded B.A. in 1781 and M.A. in 1788.”

    So how you think all these networks came about?


  26. @ John,

    The matter of contemporary slavery has been raised on BU before, namely the terror in Libya and other Arab states. We cannot revise 17th and 18th century evil from the comfort of 2019. In any case, slavery aside, Quaker philanthropy has had an enormous impact on business in the UK.
    However, @John, have you looked at the 1680 Barbados census?


  27. I’ll ask the question one more time, which requires either “YES” or “NO”……….. and NOT a “biography” of Wilberforce.

    Are you suggesting that Pease, who entered the House of Commons in 1832, was able to convince the other members to pass a Bill in July 1833 and subsequently the House of Lords on August 1, 1833 to abolish slavery in the British Empire?


  28. Have you factored in the Great Awakenings from 1720 to 1860?

    Yes or no!!

    If you had you would understand what was going on and why to the simple minded that it was all down to Pease!!


  29. You still have not answered the question.

    I’ll make it simple for you……. FORGET IT.

    But, I’ll leave with this…… although the Quakers may have been involved in the anti-slavery movement, I DON’T believe there were solely responsible for the abolition of slavery. That’s MY opinion.

    Whereas, your view on the situation is overly biased, I prefer to be objective and examine information that supports or not support your position.

    Anyhow, dun wid you and dat.


  30. Let me see if I can help you as you flounder and struggle out of your depth!!

    Check Thomas Clarkson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Clarkson

    Then if you want answers, read his book written in 1807!!

    Q U A K E R I S M, TAKEN FROM A VIEW OF THE MORAL EDUCATION, DISCIPL.INE, PECULIAR CUSTOMS, RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES, POLITICAL AND CIVIL ECONOMY, AND CHARACTER, OF THE SOCIETY OF FRIENDS – By Thomas Clarkson, 1807

    “FROM the year 1787, when I began to devote my labours to the abolition of the Slave trade, I was thrown frequently into the company of the people called Quakers.

    These people had been then long unanimous upon this subject. Indeed, they had placed it among the articles of their religious discipline. Their houses were of course open to me in all parts of the kingdom, Hence I came to a knowledge of their living manners, which no other person who was not a Quaker, could have easily obtained.

    As soon as I became possessed of this knowledge, or at least of so much of it as to feet that it was considerable, I conceived a desire of writing their moral history.”


  31. “Let me see if I can help you as you flounder and struggle out of your depth!!”

    A typical, predictable white man response.

    And you are very selective relative to what comments you prefer to respond to.

    I wasn’t going to revisit this topic with you, but you seem to be implying because I don’t believe the Quakers were SOLELY responsible for the abolition of slavery………

    ………….means I’m in some sort of depth, waiting for a white man to enlighten and pull me out of that depth, on an issue you’re seeing through the white man’s perspective.

    In all your contributions about slavery and “bigging-up” the Quakers, I have NEVER SEEN YOU MADE ANY MENTION or REFERENCES of the work done by BLACK abolitionists such as Ignatius Sancho, Olaudah Equiano or Quobna Ottobah Cugoano.

    I mentioned these men in a previous contribution and you PURPOSELY IGNORED them, in favour of your white Quaker friends.

    You felt proud mentioning Pease was elected to the House of Commons at a time when Quakers were not allowed in parliament. You even implied Pease presence in parliament was some sort of “divine intervention” to save the slaves.

    I felt proud, and even more so than you, upon learning Ignatius Sancho, a Black man, who taught himself to read and write.
    spoke out against the slave trade.

    “He went on to compose music and write poetry and plays. In 1773, Sancho and his wife set up a grocer’s shop in Westminster. Sancho was very well known and his shop became a meeting place for some of the most famous writers, artists, actors and politicians of the day. As a financially-independent householder, he became the first black person of African origin to VOTE in parliamentary elections in Britain (1774 & 1780).”

    Olaudah Equiano, was a former enslaved African, seaman and merchant who wrote an autobiography depicting the horrors of slavery and LOBBIED Parliament for its abolition. He also formed the ‘Sons of Africa’, a group which campaigned for abolition through public speaking, letter writing and lobbying parliament.

    Quobna Ottobah Cugoano published a book in 1787 called ‘Thoughts and Sentiments on the Evil and Wicked Traffic of the Human Species’. Cugoano was the first published African critic of the Transatlantic Slave Trade and the first African to demand publicly the total abolition of the trade and the freeing of enslaved Africans.

    Equiano,Cugoano and Sancho also fought against slavery at a time when they were regarded as “chattel.” I believe the works of these men should NOT go UN-NOTICED or UNRECOGNIZED, simply because you are more sympathetic and biased towards the Quakers.

    You NOT mentioning the names and works of these early abolitionists, or those Africans who died during the revolts against slavery, those who lost their lives during the “middle passage” either by sickness or suicide or those who protested on the plantations, events which provided a basis for the white abolitionists fight their cause…….

    …………could similarly draw the comment re: “Let me see if I can help you as you flounder and struggle out of your depth!!”

    As I mentioned previously, I’m not DENYING the fact that Quakers played a role in the abolition of slavery, but I don’t believe they were SOLELY responsible for it being abolished. If that belief has kept in a “black hole” so be it. I won’t be waiting for a “white light” to usher me out.

    All I’m asking is that you should be a bit more FAIR and OBJECTIVE.

    However, I will not allow you to FORCE your opinions on me…… nor am I going to force my opinions on you.

    So, in the interest of peace and not prolonging the “discussion,”……..let’s “agree to disagree,


  32. *******So, in the interest of peace and not prolonging the “discussion” on a topic that is totally irrelevant to the substantive article……..let’s “agree to disagree.”


  33. 👍🏾👍🏾Mariposa version 2 👍🏾👍🏾


  34. In all your contributions about slavery and “bigging-up” the Quakers, I have NEVER SEEN YOU MADE ANY MENTION or REFERENCES of the work done by BLACK abolitionists such as Ignatius Sancho, Olaudah Equiano or Quobna Ottobah Cugoano.

    Olaudah Equiano, was a former enslaved African, seaman and merchant who wrote an autobiography depicting the horrors of slavery
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have quoted at length from the book, way back when!!

    Here are my comments …. from 2007 on Barbados Free Press!!

    https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2007/03/31/a-barbados-slave-i-now-wished-for-the-last-friend-death-to-relieve-me/

    I don’t think BU was around back then!!


  35. I have the book, in hard cover.

    Was given it way back when but can’t remember who gave it to me.

    It would have been years before I figured out the Quaker involvement!!

    I reckon I got there sometime between 2008 and 2010.

    History is a hobby of mine and has been for decades!!


  36. Artax
    May 15, 2019 7:16 PM

    “Let me see if I can help you as you flounder and struggle out of your depth!!”
    A typical, predictable white man response.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The reason I think you and many are out of their depths is because of the deep impact Christianity had on our past.

    I was there too … I relaise I got bare facts in history at school and never got the thread that made it all make sense.

    The thread is Christianity.

    Years ago I would have been uncomfortable and out of my depth too. so I know exactly how uncomfortable you are!!

    But, the story needs to be told, we need to be comfortable with our history and use it to our advantage if we want to find a way forward.

    I’ll continue to enjoy my hobby and freely share the results of my learning … scholarship if you like.

    Do whatever you like, because I am … and having a ball.

    I recognize and honour your right to choose.


  37. Hal Austin
    May 15, 2019 2:17 PM

    @ John,
    The matter of contemporary slavery has been raised on BU before, namely the terror in Libya and other Arab states. We cannot revise 17th and 18th century evil from the comfort of 2019. In any case, slavery aside, Quaker philanthropy has had an enormous impact on business in the UK.
    However, @John, have you looked at the 1680 Barbados census?

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    A fellow history hobbyist gave me a book by David Kent a while back.

    It contains that census and the one from 1715.

    You want any info from either?


  38. After Boeing made a warning signal optional on their Max 8 and after two crashes Boeing is not taking the blame instead it is blaming foreign pilots. Never mind the information about the warning signals was omitted from their manual it is the fault of the lousy “third world” foreign pilots. They should tell that to the American public who surely won’t be rushing to fly on the Max 8 when (when not if) it is cleared to fly as that’s a slam dunk. The man who was previously a Senior VP at Boeing has been nominated to be Trump’s Defense Secretary.

    Did I mention that after the crashes members of Congress made sure their staffs didn’t book them to fly home on the Max 8 after the crashes, maybe lousy third world pilots would have been at the controls too.

    Perhaps those foreign airlines shouldn’t buy Boeing products, then they wouldn’t be blamed when things go wrong.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/05/15/faa-chief-be-pressed-boeing-max-while-would-be-replacement-faces-questions-his-approach-air-safety/?utm_term=.bd2a1e42def8


  39. American Airlines grounded theirs … I missed a flight because of it in March.

    All were grounded in the US around that time.

    Sounds like it was artificial intelligence taking over the planes’ computers to kill humans.

  40. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    @ John of Trifold stances

    This is 2019 and very fee people are going to go to a 2007 post IN A DEFUNCT WEBSITE WHICH PURPORTEDLY SOLD THE IP NAMES SND ADDRESSES OF IT USERS TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY

    The issue and problem that many of your readers have with you IS NOT YOUR SCHOLARSHIP it is your proactive “invalidation” of the worth of black people as you advance your scholarship.

    I am a black man who, while I might read more than most Sheeple find that, if I see no “balance” coming across in the writings of a person, be they either black or white, on topics where the divers contributions of parties is known, yet disturbingly absent from their subject matter, such causes me to say what I said earlier about you.

    You write on BU like if you fear sanction of other Bajan whites who come here and read as well.

    And if that seems bigoted to you dat is okay cause I is a black man and going be black till I dead.

    You have relied on a dated article to prove that at 2019 you are not a racist?

    But we are eternally grateful that at least once in 12 years, you gave us credit for our efforts. Thank you


  41. @ John

    The 1680 Census was interesting. It showed an over -representation of Quakers in Barbados (see Richard Ford’s New Map), which lists Quaker plantations and slaveowners (along with 54 Jewish householders and slave owners). The full report is lodged in the Public Records Office (The National Archives) in the Kew, South London.

  42. Freedom Crier Avatar

    John May 15, 2019 10:10 PM

    RE…”But, the story needs to be told, we need to be comfortable with our history and use it to our advantage if we want to find a way forward.”

    One would have to be Blind in their Perception and Bias Understanding that John by his knowledge Displayed has not Commanded this Conversation with the HISTORICAL FACTS.

    David May 9, 2019 6:46 AM @John “You are spouting nonsense.”
    David May 9, 2019 9:23 AM … “Understand this, no White man will dictate how this blogmaster views certain events of our past unless empirical evidence supports it.”
    “May 10, 2019 9:18 AM …“Here is a Black man asking a White man to tell the blog how Blacks mistreated Blacks and assisted with their enslavement. Coming from a scholar no less. #steuspe

    David after all the Facts or “empirical evidence supports it” as you say revealed by John. Do you think what he has written is still nonsense? Alternatively, is it simply that the BU household with the exception of GP refuses to learn our History because the Orator is a White man?

    David John is the RIGHT Person to Pen Articles on Barbados and Caribbean History for BU his Knowledge of our History is Irrefutable….That is providing you think that people would be Interested in learning the Truth from a Christian Perspective and not only Distorted information from Marxist writers.

    DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE LEARNING, OR, DO WE ONLY LISTEN TO CERTAIN ORATORS, THAT FITS OUR NARRATIVE!

    INVITE JOHN TO PEN ARTICLES DAVID.

    Freedom for one would like to hear John’s take on… Indenture and slavery in Barbados

    http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Barbados/Redleg_1.JPG

  43. Fractured BLP Avatar

    I am sure we are all following the examination – leaked saga- at the BCC.

    Well when the dust is all settled – let’s hope…….the CULPRIT…..is not a ” Knight ” in shining armour !


  44. You have relied on a dated article to prove that at 2019 you are not a racist?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Actually, I have relied on it to show that I am aware of Olaudah Equiano and … believe it or not … have read his book.

    After reading it I was satisfied that there was a whole lot more to the story that needed to be understood.

    In other words I learnt and moved to a new position.

    I am still learning, still reading still trying to understand.


  45. Hal Austin
    May 16, 2019 5:01 AM

    @ John
    The 1680 Census was interesting. It showed an over -representation of Quakers in Barbados (see Richard Ford’s New Map), which lists Quaker plantations and slaveowners (along with 54 Jewish householders and slave owners). The full report is lodged in the Public Records Office (The National Archives) in the Kew, South London.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ford was a Quaker.

    I haven’t done that family’s genealogy but suspect one of his descendants is buried in the “Old Churchyard” in Maxwell Coast Road, 1772.

    From my understanding of the map every family on it was Quaker!!

    I think the map was an inventory of plantations owned by Quakers.

    You will notice there are no parish boundaries.

    It wasn’t until 1722 that Mayo surveyed them.

    Also, no forts are shown but they are shown on Mayo.

    Some feel that it was because as a Quaker he was a pacifist and left them out.

    Could be.

    By 1680, if you read Besse, numerous Quakers had been fined, put in stocks, whipped and in various ways punished for among other infractions, not contributing to the upkeep of forts.

    The absence of serious fortifications to my mind demonstrates the paucity of worldly possessions … there was nothing to take!!

    Like the Puritans before them, the Quakers also supported the return of the Jews to England after their expulsion in 1290 by Edward “Longshanks”.


  46. Artax
    May 15, 2019 7:16 PM

    A typical, predictable white man response.

    Piece the Legend
    May 16, 2019 4:19 AM

    @ John of Trifold stances

    You have relied on a dated article to prove that at 2019 you are not a racist?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So, PTL, seeing you are an expert on spotting a racist, what say you of Atrax.

    Does the statement of Atrax “A typical, predictable white man response” qualify this blogger as a racist?

    … or would you say it is just a touch of colour prejudice.


  47. “Does the statement of Atrax “A typical, predictable white man response” qualify this blogger as a racist?”

    Let me answer that for you.

    The type of comments you post to BU and the way you romanticize slavery makes me believe you are a racist.

    If by my comment, of which I do not offer any apology……coupled with the fact that I’m not fond of white people nor do I trust them or their motives, causes you to believe I’m a racist……. then, so be it. I don’t care.


  48. An unapologetic racist!!


  49. … who hates white people!!


  50. I guess those three white dudes LOVED Emmett Till

    https://slideplayer.com/slide/6028519/20/images/12/Emmett+Till+14+year+old+from+Chicago+visiting+relatives+in+Money,+Mississippi+(1955).jpg

    Here are some examples of how you guys LOVE black people:

    Between 1882 and 1968 mobs lynched 4,733 people in the USA, 70% of who were of Africa origin.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-S9gAviMtY0/hqdefault.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/36/a7/a2/36a7a26cc59199254b2da1833a113b70.jpg

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    https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/v1492185207/articles/2015/03/12/the-real-lynchings-in-sae-s-oklahoma-backyard/150311-daly-lynching-tease_io64yp.jpg

    Can’t you feel the love coming from those photos?

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