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It is offensive to the sovereignty of independent nations and therefore, politically unacceptable, to have a foreign tribunal permanently entrenched in their Constitutions as their final court.” Sir Isaac Hyatali

“…we recommend that appeals from our jurisdiction to the Privy Council should not only be retained but their retention should be most jealously guarded from assault from any quarter, whether or not Trinidad and Tobago calls itself a monarchy or a republic…”Minority Report of the Constitution Commission of Trinidad & Tobago (1974)

Arguments such as that advanced by Sir Isaac Hyatali in the epigraph above to the effect that retaining the Judicial Committee of Her Majesty’s Privy Council [JCPC] as the apical court in an independent regional jurisdiction is offensive to the notion of sovereignty have been forcefully met with the counter that it is equally an exercise in sovereignty to choose to so retain it, since that choice would at least have been effected after due consideration by the sovereign, even though the ultimate disposal of the issue does not accord with views such as Hyatali’s.

Such a thesis would, no doubt appeal to those in the region, such as last Tuesday’s electorates in Grenada and Antigua & Barbuda that were not of the view in sufficient numbers or, seemingly at all constitutionally, to accede to the Caribbean Court of Justice [CCJ] as the final appellate court for their respective jurisdictions.

Those results, though disappointing to this writer, were scarcely unsurprising. In relatively recent times, electorates have arrived at some outcomes that appear to defy the punditry and, in some cases, with all due respect to the so-called “voice of God” theory; common sense. I include among these, the successful Trump presidential candidature in the US, the Brexit yes vote in England and the recent decision of New Caledonia to remain substantially under French rule. We might also wish include here the 1995 decision by the wide margin of three to one of Bermuda to reject independence from Britain, the negative result of the Bahamian 2016 referendum to eliminate discrimination against women and those in the multi-question Grenadian referendum of that same year. I, somehow, had the sneaking suspicion that the two regional referenda on Tuesday would have fitted comfortably into this company. And so they did.

There will be the usual informed and uninformed analyses of what might have gone wrong, but in the immediate aftermath of Tuesday’s twin rejection of the CCJ, there is a sense of weariness and despair that this current regional experiment is now doomed to hobble into the next quarter of this century on the single leg of the four jurisdictions that currently avail themselves of its appellate jurisdiction.

In his essay “Power to the Caribbean people” published in The Aftermath of Sovereignty: West Indian perspectives, edited by Lowenthal and Comitas, the late Nobel laureate, VS Naipaul, offered the following thesis-

These Caribbean territories are not like those in Africa or Asia, with their own internal reverences that have been returned to them[selves] after a period of colonial rule. They are manufactured societies, labour camps, creations of empire and for long they are dependent on empire for law, language, institutions culture, even officials. Nothing is generated locally, dependence has become a habit…

Whatever may be the cogency of this assertion, it must also be recognized that the tawdry element of partisan politics also had a significant role to play in the respective outcomes on Tuesday. There exists a keen tussle between the lawyer and the politician for being considered as the occupation for which the hottest part of Hades is reserved, but that it might have been considered politically prudent and astute to foil the regionalist ambition to accede to our own court in favour of one created for a British Empire on whom the sun has long set, smacks of crass unthinking opportunism.

At a higher level of discussion, I was driven to wonder in a recent conversation as to what might have influenced the negotiations for the final draft of the text of the Schedule to the Antigua and Barbuda Independence Order (popularly referred to as its Constitution) to so deeply entrench the provision for the JCPC as its final court of appeal. Thus, the Antigua and Barbuda Constitution 1981 stipulates, where relevant, at section 47 (5)-

A bill to alter this section, Schedule 1 to this Constitution or any of the provisions of this Constitution specified in Part I of that schedule … shall not be submitted to the Governor-General for his assent unless

(a) there has been an interval of not less than ninety days between the introduction of the bill in the House and the beginning of the proceedings in the House on the second reading of the bill in that House;

(b) after it has been passed by both Houses of Parliament or, in the case of a bill to which section 55 of this Constitution applies, after its rejection by the Senate for the second time; and

(c) the bill has been approved on a referendum, held in accordance with such provisions as may be made in that behalf by Parliament, by not less than two- thirds of all the votes validly cast on that referendum…

Included among the specified provisions in Part 1 of Schedule 1 is that which confers a right of appeal to Her Majesty in- Council, either as of right or with the leave of the Court of Appeal in certain cases. Was this provision resisted at any stage, seeing that the discussions were about the imminent conferral of sovereignty on the former Associated State? Was its implications clearly understood by the national delegation? Was it discussed at all?

Contrastingly, the Barbados 1966 document seems far more concessionary to the state in question concerning its determination of a final appellate court. According to section 86 of the original 1966 instrument-

Notwithstanding anything contained in Part 1 of this Chapter, Parliament may make provision –

a. for implementing arrangements made, between the Government of Barbados and the Government or Governments of any other part of parts of the Commonwealth relating to the establishment of a court of appeal to be shared by Barbados with that part or those parts of the Commonwealth, and for the hearing and determination by such a court of appeals from decisions of any court in Barbados; or

b. for the hearing and determination of appeals from decisions of any court in Barbados by a court established for any other part of the Commonwealth….

It is not immediately clear what might have contributed to this stark difference in the respective texts, except that they are fifteen years apart.

For us, seemingly, the JCPC also existed, though with nowhere near the degree of permanence and entrenchment accorded to that entity in Antigua & Barbuda and, clearly, Grenada.

In 1976, my quondam lecturer and subsequently Faculty colleague, Ms Dorcas White, published an extended essay rhetorically titled “Jettison the Judicial Committee: You t’ink it Easy?” More than four decades later comes the equally rhetorical response, “No, Dorcas, we know it ain’t!”

Whether owed to popular apathy or an antipathy towards the regionally assembled structure, any jettisoning seems a long way off.


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167 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Exercises in Sovereignty, Self-doubt or Apathy?”


  1. Sorry, John, we crossed. Could part of the reason for the rejections the referenda last week be ignorance -as in not knowing rather than as in shortness of temper?


  2. “The Myrie case was not an apical appeal, it was brought, by her and not by Jamaica, on the grounds that Barbados had acted in breach of the RTOC in treating her, a CARICOM national, in the manner that they did when she arrived here.”

    Mr. Cumberbatch

    Your above explanation is similarly applicable to the Gilbert case????

  3. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Yes @Hal, I would not want this chat to get into the elective political weeds but your comment is well accepted re:
    “Both men – along with ED Mottley, have done our nation well. We must stop party politicising them.”

    Obviously there should be a continuam on the political scene from admin to admin for all successful policies but we know how the suceeding leader wants to imprint his/her signature to excellence and will trash good ideas simply in order to reinvent them in another guise.

    @John, your 10:14 can be argued even more persuasively re the tech angle for the JCPC…and the reams of judgements gives the solidity of credibility, transparency and reasoned precedent!

    Anyhow a question the Dean and his colleagues like Ms White must surely answer: why after these many years of instruction by local professors in law et al (in the main) are our citizens yet so wary of the collective integrity of a regional court?

    And on the other hand, not being rude to my brethren in Grenada or Antigua but is it shocking that the citizens of a country controlled dictatorial for years and another run as a personal fiefdom of the Bird dynasty as an alleged corrupt enterprise are WARY of placing final judicial actions in ‘local’ hands.

    Of course the Brits had very similar circumstances where their courts system were controlled by the powerful few eons ago and have evolved to today’s transparent process…so what will it take for our peeps to recognize that it surely will get easy after the hard road is ran…we have to trust our fellow men and women…they DO have integrity…as not all are destined for that hottest eternal sauna!

    Alas.


  4. David
    November 11, 2018 10:42 AM

    @John
    The fact the CCJ is mobile shows relevance to our region given its geography etc but what about the makeup and confidence of/in the bench?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I had that apprehension as well.

    I held my breath when the first one happened … in Barbados.

    But, no choice.

    Then I saw the result, logical, sound, fair …. in my interests admittedly so I am of course biased!!

    In that one, the local Court of Appeal had plucked a number from the air.

    The CCJ set it right and rapped it on its knuckles.

    It was a simple matter … simply dealt with by the CCJ.

    In the second instance I was cool!!

    It was an even simpler matter.

    I sat back, relaxed and enjoyed!!

    I am more confident in the CCJ than I am in the local courts!!

    I am actually glad there is no more JCPC!!!

    … too many hidden relationships.

    All the old fogeys here trained up in the various Temples!!


  5. @Dee Word

    There is the rebuttal that can be offered by the Trinidadians they have removed reference to the monarchy from their constitution by adopting a republican system. Who are we to criticize others when we still genuflect and shout O Regina!


  6. John, we crossed. Could part of the reason for the rejections the referenda last week be ignorance

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes … the devil you know (or think you know) vs the alternative.


  7. Hants
    November 11, 2018 10:42 AM

    The people who voted do not trust the leaders,politicians, lawyers and judges in the Caribbean. WHY?

    ++++++++++++++++

    WHY NOT!!


  8. People don’t know either the CCJ or the JCPC.

    Both are equally shrouded in mystery!!

    Appeals are few and far between and commentary in the press is usually in high fallutin’ language, legal mumbo jumbo, no one understands so no one reads!!

    One court just happens to be regional and no one trusts anything regional … and with good reason.

    People have never seen any reason for mistrusting the JCPC … not because it doesn’t exist, but because they have never seen any reason!!


  9. There is the rebuttal that can be offered by the Trinidadians they have removed reference to the monarchy from their constitution by adopting a republican system

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Form vs substance!!


  10. I was hoping that Jeff could elaborate on Lawson’s “I agree with Naipaul give the damned things back” 🙂 🙂 🙂
    Will be more serious after this….


  11. I was hoping that Jeff could elaborate on Lawson’s “I agree with Naipaul give the damned things back” 🙂 🙂 🙂
    Will be more serious after this….

    @ The OG, Too far beyond my ken!


  12. Your above explanation is similarly applicable to the Gilbert case????*

    Artax, yes. You said it yourself!

    …seeking justice through the Original Jurisdiction of the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) for alleged unpleasant and hostile abuse meted out to them at the hands of police officers in Barbados during a visit to the island on October 11, 2016*.


  13. “…they are no longer confident that CCJ can deliver impartial and unbiased decisions in their cases and actually see themselves TRUSTING the UK Privy Council, of all places more..instead.”

    Whaaaaaaat? Stupse!!


  14. It must take a special kind of something to ignore the admonishment from people we have so much trust read we should look for our appeal jurisprudence elsewhere.


  15. Three points
    (1) I am not in full agreement with Naipaul’s harsh “They are manufactured societies, labour camps, creations of empire and for long they are dependent on empire for law, language, institutions culture, even officials. Nothing is generated locally, dependence has become a habit” but much of what he says is true.
    On paper we have the various institutions in the different islands, but in reality they do not function as they should. Could the rejection of the CCJ be based on the notion that ‘ineffective’ local courts will ‘inevitably lead to an ineffective CCJ.

    (2)These are hard questions,
    “Was this provision resisted at any stage, seeing that the discussions were about the imminent conferral of sovereignty on the
    former Associated State? Was its implications clearly understood by the national delegation? Was it discussed at all?

    I believe that similar questions can be asked of all that was inherited from the Britain. In most cases we accepted whatever was handed down to us without asking questions. We were fortunate in the luck of the draw (or drawer they took the document from).

    (3) I find it difficult to understand John’s preference for the new boy’s network. It seem to me that with the passage of time, the bonds of the old boys network would have been frayed or even broken; the bonds of the news boys networks would be established and strengthened. Perhaps the CCJ is fighting to make its mark and so the justices are doing their very best, their behavior may change in the future. Indeed, all Caribbean governments and their institutions are in a period of decay. What is hobbled together can only go in the same direction

    Naipaul’s assesment of how Africa” responded can be seen as incorrect. “These Caribbean territories are not like those in Africa or Asia, with their own internal reverences that have been returned to them[selves] after a period of colonial rule.”

    Hytali’s “It is offensive to the sovereignty of independent nations and therefore, politically unacceptable, to have a foreign tribunal permanently entrenched in their Constitutions as their final court.” sounds nice, but in this monkey see, monkey fails to do region these things become only words


  16. Great post Jeff…
    This is good food for thought


  17. May I suggest that those of us on BU campaign for Jeff to be made a QC and that Caswell should b granted an honorary degree in law and letters from UWI for his work on labour law?
    I say this, not only based on their contributions to BU, but it is routine in the UK for an academic lawyer and senior lawyer/politician to be to be made a QC. We call them political QCs.

  18. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Actually, I offer that it goes a tad further than “form v substance” into that deep philosophical and academic arena called smoke and mirrors 😂.

    I love my Trinis but they are full of it often….surely Mr Blogmaster if you sever ties to the monarchy and become a republic under Presidential ceremony then you just as surely cant still be saying, ‘O Regina dearest can you INSTRUCT me how to solve this tough legal tangle, my fellow West Indians are not filled with your integrity or knowledge!’

    Here now I get into the silly but bare with me…how and why did we form a WI cricket team rather than go it alone at the time as separate nations…we all know that story.

    So now just the OPPOSITE appears to be at play: no collective trust of our unified power, too much insularity and racial prejudices.

    There is a funny verse from the Calypso King of 1962 in T nT which certainly applies in context to the deliberation of Panday and others in the 90s discourse re CCJ.

    Lord Brynner sung:

    Con­sci­en­tious­ly, and con­sti­tu­tion­al­ly
    For­get all this lousy ru­mor about racial equal­i­ty
    If you are an East In­di­an and you want to be an African
    Just shave your head like me
    Then they can’t prove your na­tion­al­i­ty


  19. @ Jeff
    Bushie, So the human race with all its intellect and creativity is a mere disinterested onlooker to this battle? Or do we have a role to play?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The human race is central, and indeed is the very raison d’être for the ‘battle’.

    Humans beings are potentially of such value that this attracts the interest of conflicting spiritual (read as ‘beyond our clearly limited human realm’) forces in ways that defy our limited capacity to analyse….

    As an illustration, think of the humans who lived in the Congo Region of Africa when the Belgium Colonialists were exercising their shenanigans in the pursuit of the unbelievably valuable resources like ivory and rubber, that these locals unwittingly possessed…
    Think of the illogical and inhuman atrocities that must have confounded mature and level-headed local leaders.. as Leopald and his various combatants schemed to take control of the spoils that were rightfully those of the locals……

    Our situation is not dissimilar…
    The Spiritual Colonialists KNOW of the value that we represent …and that we own – by INHERITANCE…
    Unfortunately, we do NOT know …(and therefore cannot appreciate) what is at stake as the ‘illogical and inhumane ‘ overtake our global enviironment.

    Over half of Congo’s population (8M people) were murdered as a result of their ignorance of these higher-level shenanigans.
    As you know, history almost ALWAYS repeats itself…… cause we never learn.


  20. @ David
    There is the rebuttal that can be offered by the Trinidadians they have removed reference to the monarchy from their constitution by adopting a republican system. Who are we to criticize others when we still genuflect and shout O Regina!

    Point taken. Here we are talking about others refusing to do what we think they should while after fifty two years of Indepence, none of the two major political parties, have the balls to move us to Republic status!
    Case of pot calling kettle black.
    The Black political class here, and a minority of Bajan Blacks are afraid to oppose the whites,who believe that holding on to Elizabeth and the decadent so- called royal family, is the last linkage they have to the colonial past.
    Like or hate Naipaul, he must be given credit for countering the wishy washy offerings of many intellectuals thorough out the region.


  21. Way above the yardfowl pay grade AND intellect..

    Ah thought this comment below is what would have gotten Enuff in Wonderland’s goat up and running, but his brain did not connect in time…lol, lol, murdahhhh!!!!

    Ah guess when Barbados not only signed on to CCJ but the likes of Mia and Simmons helped set up the Court…am sure they thought it would be just another extension of the corrupt Barbados Supreme Court, their personal playground of corruption and abuse of the human rights of their own people…but they miscalculated and it backfired on them all..


  22. when britain gave the territories in africa back they were giving lands to people that already owned them the carribean was different, the lands were given to the new kids on the block as the women on pirates of the carribean said if you dont want it give it back when jack was given bunch of sand.


  23. Jeff Cumberbatch
    November 11, 2018 11:31 AM

    Your above explanation is similarly applicable to the Gilbert case????*
    Artax, yes. You said it yourself!
    …seeking justice through the Original Jurisdiction of the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) for alleged unpleasant and hostile abuse meted out to them at the hands of police officers in Barbados during a visit to the island on October 11, 2016*.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You see what I mean.

    Atrax has the language available but it is really legal mumbo jumbo.

    Myrie is the switch that turns on the light!!

    People learn best by example!!

    What does Original Jurisdiction mean?

    What does Appellate Jurisdiction mean?

    Do they even matter to the man in the street?

    I am half a lawyer but really don’t understand it fully either!!

    It isn’t that Atrax or I are dumb, just that no one explained it and … more importantly … it was never important to know.

    I stumbled on it because of the path life set before me.

    I had to ask questions and observe what actually went on.

    The journalists who wrote about it in 2004/5 when CCJ was formed just repeated what they were given without really understanding it.

    They really don’t need to understand it either and it isn’t important to them either.

    So, nobody reading them (who reads nowadays anyway) took the time to try to understand.

    What little understanding I have is through experience … life taught me!!

    So my perspective on the JCPC and CCJ is completely different to most people.

    I reckon Caswell is just being political in his utterances in the Senate.

    You just need to understand what his political masters (whoever they maybe) need to accomplish!!

    Maybe it isn’t political at all, he, like me, may also be half a lawyer!!

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2018/11/07/senator-launches-attack-on-judiciary/

    “A member of the Upper House of Parliament has launched a scathing attack on the nation’s highest court, accusing it of seeking to “legislate” and ruling as unconstitutional laws that its justices find personal disfavour with. Opposition Senator Caswell Franklyn described the Caribbean Court Justice (CCJ) as being “shoddy” and “bungling” in its rulings.Saying he had grown “tired” of the justices, he accused the court of not conducting research before making their rulings.”

    I have lived it and know different!!


  24. If you can find another person who actually experienced both, maybe you should talk to them!!

    Maybe they will tell you the complete opposite I am telling you!!

    … or maybe not!!


  25. William…first the corruption in the parliament, in the judiciary, in the bar association has to be dismantled, it has been there polluting the place for decades, unless that corrupt gang is permanently SEVERED from those three entities, two of them TAXPAYER FUNDED… a republic will not work on the island.

    When the corruption is gone, then you get rid of the blighted monarchy and the local white criminal minorities can move back to UK and see how well they will be received by authorities in the UK with their thievery and many crimes…no one needs their asses…no one needs any of them to survive, the black population would be a hell of a lot better off without any of the parasite.

    …black people need to stop the crap and take care of themselves, any politician, lawyer, minister who want to continue enabling local and foreign whites to steal from and violate the rights of the black population can all join the minorities in UK…because in reality..THAT IS ALL THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING ON THE ISLAND PRE AND POST INDEPENDENCE….a bunch of low class descendants of indentured servants using a bunch of stupid, house negros with criminal tendencies from the parliament to the judiciary to the bar association to keep the nasty status quo alive and well….and disenfranchising the majority population.


  26. I suspect that Jeff could mine a year’s worth of columns on these issues, those of us who call the Caribbean home could serve as textbook examples of people resistant to change and while the writer focused on the CCJ as a regional issue, he could have cited the ongoing discussion on Republic status for Barbados or the reason why we can’t even reach consensus on Nelson.

    The genesis of these issues is the decision by Jamaica followed by Trinidad to withdraw from the fledging WI Federation, the consequences of those decisions still have a major impact on us more than two generations later; we have become titular masters in our little pieces of rock and are suspicious of delegating the parts that remained with the former Colonial power to our brethren in the wider Caribbean. in the eyes of many that oversight is better left in the hands of the pre- Independence chieftains. The only area of success -Cricket- is dying a slow death before our very eyes and the UWI is also being slowly being eroded as a regional institution as competing islands establish their own centres of higher learning.

    I propose a new motto “Insularity is us”


  27. The genesis of these issues is the decision by Jamaica followed by Trinidad to withdraw from the fledging WI Federation,

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Definition of Independence in the Caribbean: – …. “Each set of politicians stealing from their citizens independently”


  28. After reading Mr Cumberbatch’s essay I have concluded that for progress to occur in the Caribbean the “people” should not be consulted. A benevolent dictatorship seems to be the way to go. Massa day is not done just a new massa is required.


  29. “…………….. the whites, who believe that holding on to Elizabeth and the decadent so- called royal family, is the last linkage they have to the colonial past.”

    Mr. Skinner

    For conformation of your above comments, all you have to do is read Richard Hoad’s “Lowdown” column in the Weekend Nation. I believe he uses his column to articulate the opinions whites secretly share amongst themselves.

    Hoad attempts to “mask” his weekly drivel by giving us the impression he has a special “bond” with black people who refers to as his “friends.” And these so called “friends” are usually people that worked for his father and drove “Lowdown” to Lodge School………..and who, until their death, probably referred to him as “Mr. Richard.”


  30. Think about it, when Britain ran things, it controlled all of the islands.

    It was pretty difficult for politicians in an island to steal from the citizens of an island because the purse strings were in the hands of GB!!

    Independence changed all that.

    The new Massa will be the IMF!!

    … a reflection on how badly the politicians have operated when they were given their independence by GB.


  31. Could the IMF play the role of a benevolent dictator?


  32. @Ping Pong,

    After reading Mr Cumberbatch’s essay I have concluded that for progress to occur in the Caribbean the “people” should not be consulted. A benevolent dictatorship seems to be the way to go. Massa day is not done just a new massa is required.(Quote)

    This is the so-called Singapore model no one talks about. It is not their educational genius, nor their business acumen; it is the Lee Kwan Yew benevolent dictatorship that propelled them from 1965. Mussolini made the Italian trains run on time.


  33. All we really need is the benevolent dictator to control the purse strings!!


  34. The IMF should be able to do that.


  35. We could probably retire more than half of our politicians …saving millions!!


  36. .. maybe all!!


  37. @ Artax

    “Mr. Skinner

    For conformation of your above comments, all you have to do is read Richard Hoad’s “Lowdown” column in the Weekend Nation. I believe he uses his column to articulate the opinions whites secretly share amongst themselves.

    Hoad attempts to “mask” his weekly drivel by giving us the impression he has a special “bond” with black people who refers to as his “friends.” And these so called “friends” are usually people that worked for his father and drove “Lowdown” to Lodge School………..and who, until their death, probably referred to him as “Mr. Richard.”

    You are absolutely correct! I worked out Hoad years ago . He skillfully uses satire and comedy to get his message over. Many of his columns border on racism. I have written the Nation at least seven letters condemning his columns over the years. Not one has been published. In one of his columns, a few months back, he referred to plantation workers as “ plantation people’s”.


  38. The fundamental flaw of having a higher jurisdiction to oversee the judicial process of a country bodes well to saying that the people of the country are inept to proceed over their judicial process
    I would agree that these small nations might be hampered into delivering decision in a timely fashion
    However it should not mean that (they) as a people hand over all of our problems to outside forces who are simply mere mortals like ourselve and can be coerced and influence by the same political mechansims
    Small nations must not be jaded or feel that their duty as a nation to its people lies solely in the hands of people who must know those things individually or collectively in problem solving better than they do
    I applaud the people of that region for understanding the meaning of Power and retaining such power into their own hands and not be bullied or coerced by outside forces to give their power away.

  39. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar

    What does Original Jurisdiction mean?

    What does Appellate Jurisdiction mean?

    No magic to it really, Original jurisdiction is the one exercised where the matter originates or is begun in the in the court; appellate jurisdiction is exercised where the court reviews the decision of a lower court or tribunal.

  40. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar

    I reckon Caswell is just being political in his utterances in the Senate.

    You just need to understand what his political masters (whoever they maybe) need to accomplish!!

    The mind fairly boggles to contemplate Caswell having political masters. You must not know the man!


  41. “Small nations must not be jaded or feel that their duty as a nation to its people lies solely in the hands of people who must know those things individually or collectively in problem solving better than they do…”

    Hmmmmmmm…

    Would it be too much to ask you to explain the above comment?


  42. @John

    “We could probably retire more than half of our politicians …saving millions!!”

    We could probably retire ALL our politicians …saving BILLONS!!


  43. Artax u would not understand you are too busy hustling PR poop for this govt
    A govt who seems keen on letting outside influence under the name of The IMF ran the politics and goverance of barbados
    A glorified set of one arm bandits who have no qualms to set up.an outpost on the fields and hill of barbados in effort to collect their debt
    In the meanwhile bajans are being choked to death from the stench which emits from the outpost as Mia put in position Political yardfowls like you to clean up the mess.
    Now there u have it


  44. In one of his columns, a few months back, he referred to plantation workers as “ plantation people’s

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This is a fact.

    I once was in an accident with a tractor in St. Patricks, probably about 1985.

    Nothing serious.

    The driver automatically called the manager.

    It wasn’t a big deal, but it was crystal clear the manager was going to defend his driver, one of his people.

    That was a case of the manager defending his tractor driver against “white” people.

    We must have got talking and he told me the system he and his tractor drivers had worked out so women would not fleece the drivers of their weekly wages.

    I think he was just letting me know he would defend his driver!!

    He noticed that on a Thursday, payday, payment in cash, women would congregate at the end of the gap,

    The following week the men often sought to borrow to tide them through even although as Tractor Drivers they were making good money.

    He talked with his drivers, put two and two together and they came up with a solution collectively.

    Some of the wages was paid in cash and some was put into the bank accounts of the tractor drivers they opened at the same bank from which he got the payroll.

    It was no difficulty to deposit the funds when he went to collect the payroll.

    When the drivers walked down the gap, they did so knowing their money was in two places and they had a fall back position.

    When the cash they had was gone … it was gone

    That is a case of the tractor drivers being defended by the manager against “black” people.

    I know very often, “plantation peoples” aka labour, often borrowed money from management!!

    I also know of cases where labour, was given land.

    In one case I know of a man who was given land in the 60’s.

    A few years ago he was robbed in his old age by people who should know better!!

    … same principle as Glenda Stewart except this was in the laboring class!!

    … and of a woman who received land free.

    I reckon a lot of Tenants were given land but others “benefitted” from the Tenantries Freehold Act.

    The act really replaced what would often happen normally.

    The difference was that instead of being given land free before the act or renting at a peppercorn rent, all tenants got to pay 10 cents a square foot under the new act.

    All got to benefit …. and suffer …. equally!!

    But still some benefitted more than others as the plantation often threw in extra land that may have been worked by the plantation person, for free.

    Depended on how astute the individual plantation person had been and the use to which the land surrounding their plot had been put by them!!

    My sibling and I have helped a plantation person who was being shafted overcome Jack Dear at a labour tribunal just because we grew up with him and knew him well!!

    If I look I could probably still find the case number!!

    A plantation operated as a community where one looked out for the other as far as possible.


  45. Jeff Cumberbatch
    November 11, 2018 2:42 PM

    I reckon Caswell is just being political in his utterances in the Senate.
    You just need to understand what his political masters (whoever they maybe) need to accomplish!!
    The mind fairly boggles to contemplate Caswell having political masters. You must not know the man!

    +++++++++++++++

    I have never met him!!!

    I just watch his actions!!

    Two is all I need!!


  46. So Jeff

    What do you think about Caswell’s opinions of the CCJ as expressed in the Senate?


  47. Wily Coyote
    November 11, 2018 3:19 PM

    @John
    “We could probably retire more than half of our politicians …saving millions!!”
    We could probably retire ALL our politicians …saving BILLONS!!

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Touche!!


  48. John

    We cannot expect our politicians to do the right thing based on precedent … so therefore… it is important that we put in place the sustainable checks and balances liken to those on the US to address the improprieties and irregularities common in the political affairs…

    Moreover, devoid of these sustainable checks and balances … the politicians passions and desires would never be brought under subject unless there are appropriate constraints in place … because let face it … we have a proclivity as human beings to put the self-interest over the collective-interest of others…
    It just part of who we are as human beings…


  49. “Artax u would not understand you are too busy hustling PR poop for this govt…”

    Hmmmmmmm

    “Credibility comprises the objective and subjective components of the believability of a source or message.”

    I believe when someone accuses another of anything, the accuser, in his/her best interest, should present EVIDENCE to SUBSTANTIATE their claim……. or ACCEPT the CONSEQUENCES of LOSING their CREDIBILITY.

    As such, I am CHALLENGING you to PRESENT any paragraph or phrase in any of my contributions that states EXPLICITLY I’m “too busy hustling PR poop for this govt.”

    Your “credibility” is at stake.

    Secondly, I recall you in your other personas…… ac, Angela Cox and Angela Skeete….. unwavering in your support for the former inept DLP administration.

    You were supportive of the:

    …….. the former finance minister’s “home grown” austerity measures and his suggestion that his government may explore the option of going to the IMF;

    ……… tax waivers (it’s time you learn that “tax waivers” and “writing off uncollectable debt” are not the same), offered to such entities as Barbados Turf Club, Butch Stewart’s Sandals;

    …….. 2013-14 retrenchment program which saw 6,000 civil servants losing their jobs; you even cussed the former employees who went to the media to express their frustration at not being paid their severance payments on the dates they were told such payments would be forth coming (ask Lisa Marshall).

    ……… leaking of Lisa Marshall’s personal information to the public…. and without any evidence other than the what was presented by a DLP yard-fowl, you were convinced she was a thief;

    And you did not EXPRESS “one ounce” of SYMPATHY and SUPPORT for those former Beautify Barbados employees who had to wait almost 2 years to receive severance payments.

    …….. increase in taxes and implementation of additional taxes;

    ……… the former DLP parliamentarians who tried to secretly restore the 10% reduction of their salaries and the retroactive repayment of the reduction for the period, which meant they did not lose anything;

    And I can go on. But it is not surprising that, the policies you supported prior to May 24, 2018….. and the same policies you are now vehemently criticizing.

    Under these circumstances, your comments re:

    “A glorified set of one arm bandits who have no qualms to set up.an outpost on the fields and hill of barbados in effort to collect their debt. In the meanwhile bajans are being choked to death from the stench which emits from the outpost as (Stuart) put in position Political yardfowls like you to clean up the mess. Now there u have it…..”

    …….. are applicable to you. (Mirror image?????)


  50. Cawell has shown his true colours in his dispensation to defend George Payne
    Now he is viewed by others to be “one of them” he sits on the integrity panel next to George Payne a man whose alleged actions of defrauding the Stewarts makes headlines daily across social media and reacts with silence without as much as a whisper of calling for George Payne resignation from the member panel
    Now all sits her and scribble glowing platitudes towards Caswell a man whose balls has been shaven since becoming a member of the political elite.

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