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The offence of obstructing a police officer in the execution of his duty is a general intent offence.  The Crown must prove the actus reus which involves:  (i) conduct that constitutes an obstruction (ii) to a peace officer (iii) who was engaged in the execution of his duty at the time.  The mens rea element requires the Crown to prove the obstruction was done wilfully.  In other words, the conduct proscribed is conduct that was intended to obstruct the individual officer in question in the execution of his duty at the time: R v Moore [1979] 1 S.C.R. 195

Understandably, the print media have been consumed in recent days with the ongoing campaigns of the many parties and candidates in the elections scheduled for this Thursday. But I have already mused on this in my two most recent columns and consider it far more prudent this week to focus on another matter of perhaps only slightly less significant concern to the rights of the citizen.

Many would have “steupsed” instinctively when Magistrate, the reverend Graveney Bannister, suggested recently that those who filmed policeman in the execution of their duty should be prosecuted. After all, some might have reasoned, would this not be at least a disproportionate response to a purported exercise of the guaranteed freedom of expression that includes, according to section 20 of the Constitution, “the freedom to communicate ideas and information without interference”?

And while it is recognized that this freedom may be derogated from in the public interests of defence, safety, order, morality or health, it is also stipulated that any such restriction should be reasonably required. This entails that there must be a legitimate aim for the measure, the measure must be suitable to achieve the aim (potentially with a requirement of evidence to show it will have that effect), the measure must be necessary to achieve the aim, that there cannot be any less onerous way of doing it, and the measure must be reasonable, considering the competing interests of different groups at hand. I am not at all certain that a law as suggested by Mr. Bannister will easily pass these tests.

Some counter-reaction to the magisterial suggestion came subsequently with an offer of BDS$1000 and free legal representation from a local attorney to anyone that may prosecuted for such an offence. However, it was the midweek statement from the Commissioner of Police on the issue that is likely to arouse the greatest civic interest on this issue so far.

As the Commissioner rightly noted, there is no crime committed to record an incident involving the police, although to be fair to Bannister, I do not get the impression that he was contending the contrary but rather suggesting that it ought to be an offence. The Commissioner, however, went on to warn, again quite rightly, “But if in so doing, an act resulting in [willful] obstruction of the officer in the execution of his duties occurs, this will result in an offence…”

I do not know if the Commissioner is aware, but the connection between obstructing an officer in the execution of his or her duty and the photographing or video-recording of an incident involving the police is one of the more intriguing global legal issues today, owed substantially to the notoriety of the police treatment of blackish individuals in the US. Moreover, the Commissioner’s words might have, perhaps inadvertently, lent some authority to the earlier suggestion by the learned Magistrate.

Locally, the offence of obstruction is covered by section 62 of the Police Act, Cap 167, which provides for a penalty of $1000 or imprisonment for a period of 12 months on summary conviction, although it also empowers the magistrate, if he or she is of the opinion that the matter is fit for prosecution on indictment, to commit the offender to stand trial in the High Court.

That much is clear, but the jurisprudence, whether from the US or the Europe, does not afford similar certainty. This is, in my view, a consequence of a number of factors surrounding obstruction by this method, including the citizen’s right to freedom of expression; the need for the police to be able to conduct unhindered investigations of crime and arrests of offenders; and the doubtful legitimacy of an expectation of privacy in public spaces. As for the first, while there are some decisions that have stressed the overarching importance of the freedom of expression to the democratic ideal, there are others that have subordinated it to the prevention of crime.

Thus, one judge in Austin, Texas, was of the view that the individual’s right to record incidents that occurred in public was well established- “If a person has the right to assemble in a public place, receive information on a matter of public concern, and make a record of that information for the purpose of disseminating that information, the ability to make photographic or video recording of that information is simply not a new right or a revolutionary expansion of a historical right. Instead, the photographic or video recording of public information is only a more modern and efficient method of exercising a clearly established right.”

And the majority of the Third Circuit Court of Appeals was of like mind in Fields v City of Philadelphia-

“We ask much of our police. They can be our shelter from the storm. Yet officers are public officials carrying out public functions, and the First Amendment requires them to bear bystanders recording their actions. This is vital to promote the access that fosters free discussion of governmental actions, especially when that discussion benefits not only citizens but the officers themselves.”

Hugh Tomlinson QC, writing in the Guardian, in an article entitled “Do we have a fundamental right to film the police in public?” refers to the Metropolitan Police’s statement that “Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel” and recites the words of the US First Circuit Court of Appeals to the following effect- “A citizen’s right to film government officials, including law enforcement officers, in the discharge of their duties in a public space is a basic vital and well-established liberty safeguarded by the First Amendment.”

The position in Europe is apparently less accommodating to the citizen. In Pentikäinen v Finland (2015), the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) merely stated in general terms that the presence of “watchdogs” during the policing of a demonstration is a guarantee that the authorities can be held to account. This has seemingly allowed the jurisdictions to vary in their national approaches. In Spain, the Citizen Security Law 2015 threatens a hefty fine for the unauthorized publication and dissemination of images of the police and in Belgium one video-blogger was fined £300 for filming and uploading two police officers’ response to an incident at a café, which in the court’s view, violated their privacy. Likewise, the lower House of the Dutch parliament recently adopted a motion calling for a change in the law that would result in the prohibition of the publication of recognizable images of police officers.

Whatever will be the response of the local courts to a charge of obstruction of the police by recording the incident of an arrest or other action, given the perceived credibility gap between the word of the officer and that of the citizen, it would be wise for citizens to err on the side of caution. Obstruction of an officer in the execution of his duty is a mixed question of law and fact and while there may be no obstruction if the officer is not in lawful execution of his duty, his sworn assertion that he was in fact being obstructed in his duty is likely to be treated as cogent evidence that he was.


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120 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Obstructing the Police?”

  1. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    All of what you say would make sense if you have a functioning, less corrupt and less political, more fair and balanced justice system, but you don’t, which voids any good intent you project.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/159136/pm-barbados-leave-ccj

    Jeff……so what do you and Barbados Constitution think about the elimination of any court of last resort, be it CCJ or Privy Council.?

    ….what would be the impact on the already existing lack of enforcement of human rights treaties, charters etc?

    and the already existing disrespectful ignoring of the 30 Articles of Universal Human Rights as declared by the UN since 1948?? …by the 2 successive governments.

  2. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Bear in mind, even if this is political claptrap…to fool the dumbest people in the society into reelecting an even dumber ass in Fruendel..that nonsense should not been spoken in public or used as a weapon to sway the illiterate….by a lawyer no less,

  3. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Jeff

    I would also like your views on the law that says, you commit an offence if you insult a policeman. I have witnessed a young man calling a policeman an idiot and being arrested for that offence.

    In my view that is a waste of the courts’ time. If a policeman is so thin-skinned to be insulted by that remark, he is in the wrong profession.


  4. @Jeff C
    owed substantially to the notoriety of the police treatment of blackish individuals in the US.
    +++++++++++
    What kind of political correctness is this? Call it by its name , “Minorities” would have worked and “Blackish” works for a sitcom but not an opinion piece.


  5. Should Freundel “Fumble Sluggart” Stuart have his way, these legal issues will be determined in the future by …Hal Gollop assisted by Verla DePezia!


  6. In the 1960s and 70s, when black people witnessed another black person being arrested, or even spoken to in a hostile way by a police officer, they will stop and observe.
    Quite often one of the officer’s colleagues will walk up to hem and order hem to move on. If they refused, or hesitated, they would be arrested for obstruction.
    So obstruction depends on who is doing the defining. Quite often, the courts accepted the evidence of the police officer.


  7. The mindset at play is clearly a vestige from a not too distant past.

  8. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Not every judge’s decision can be sent to ADR…particularly to such incompetent clearly useless lawyers such as Gollop, Depeiza and any government connected lawyers….for any justice to be served..

    ..and that is without even mentioning the well known partisan political yardfowls.and corruption factors.


  9. @Jeff

    Are you so bold as you opine on the story being carried in the local traditional media the PM has promised to exit the CCJ arrangement? This is an opposite position to Mia and the BLP. Could this be an eleventh hour platform debate designed to influence voters?

  10. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    David

    Exiting the CCJ is the Prime Minister’s petulant response to getting the Government’s ass kicked every time they appear before the CCJ.

    Maybe, he is expecting another drubbing in the cement case.

    Sent from my iPad

  11. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Jeff, what makes an officer of the court or a peace officer right and an average citizen wrong? The staure of the former or the grounding of the law upon which they supposedly firmly stand….or what makes the law officers liars: irrefutable video footage?

    You noted that : “As the Commissioner rightly noted, there is no crime committed to record an incident involving the police, although to be fair to Bannister, I do not get the impression that he was contending the contrary but rather suggesting that it ought to be an offence.”

    You are being kind and diplomatic to a colleague. On the face of the legal precedent in the US and Britain which you cited the magistrate simply was acting like a person ignorant of the law and being that he is a lawyer then his remarks were oppresively stupid.

    Recording a police officer cannot be construed to mean or infer that the videographer is in any way impeding or obstructing the officer as he or she can be yards away well away from the police officers.

    That he would attempt to link the recoding of the officer with obstructing suggests that he wants to deny publication of any police imaging as the European cases do: he wants to affirm the peace officer’s right to his/her privacy.

    Unfortunately, that is NOT the thrust of our laws (as I understand them) so the magistrate is amazingly enacting laws from his bench because “there is no crime committed to record an incident involving the police” when the recorder is not impeding the officer in anyway, according to our statutes.

    That type of verbiage from a ‘learned’ magistrate coupled with the thousands of videos showing police brutality, use of excessive/unnecessary force, outright citizen assasinations and the like has long reduced the credibility of the word of police officers.

    Thus stop the recordings is the cry of this magistrate or any similarly minded law officers who want to control police arrests scenes and reassert the police’s word as gospel.

    Obstructing a police office is wrong ; even simply mildly seeking an accomodation during an arrest can be seen as ‘resisting an arrest’ and thus have additional sanction but pulling out your phone to record the actions of an officer CANNOT be automatically associated with any of that.


  12. Caswell surely you jest? The judges are directed in deliberations and verdicts by what the law dictates?


  13. IF YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER WAS BEING WRONGFULLY ARRESTED or BEATEN BY A FEW ARMED POLICEMEN

    WOULD YOU WANT A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO RECORD IT ?

    YES I WOULD.

  14. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ The Luminary Jeff Cumberbatch

    My grandson sent me “the video” which I think is at the centre of this furore

    It shows a policeman seeking to arrest a conductor in the Cheapside Van Stand and a few members of the public intervening, enthusiastically BUT ILLEGALLY

    But I would divert if only momentarily s is de ole man’s want, and introduce a tangent which finds partial genesis in your comment

    “…As the Commissioner rightly noted, there is no crime committed to record an incident involving the police…” that de ole man then (mischievously?) juxtaposes against the Commissioner s statement “But if in so doing, an act resulting in [willful] obstruction of the officer in the execution of his duties occurs, this will result in an offence…”

    There is a blog here on BU titled https://barbadosunderground.net/2016/07/13/the-brutality-of-the-royal-barbados-police-force-with-video/

    De ole man is for want of a better term “incredibly slow ”

    But I was wondering if when the Commissioner spoke about a police officer “EXECUTING his duties” IF he or Waveney Bannister meant it literally?

    De ole man also was seeking some clarification on whether such video as is shown in that blog qualifies under your statement of erring on the side of caution given that it was a video “of an officer in the execution of his duty..”

    The fact is that any tool can be used to effect any outcome be it positive or negative.

    Be it an arsonist or a policeman, the fact is that depending on the intent if the party being recorded they will have reason not to have a video recorded or a body camera working while they summarily decide to execute a suspect

    The advent of mobile cameras and video recordings has brought with it diverse advantages and evils.

    De grandson could take a video of you at UWI during a lecture and lip sync it to suggest that you were asking an inappropriate question of 5 female students at the front of your class.

    Regrettably that is the downside but equally so we have not a few “bad boys and girls ” who feel dem above the law and for whom there is no other recourse than a dashcam or a smart phone to keep these supposed uphllders of the law honest

  15. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Jeff……so what do you and Barbados Constitution think about the elimination of any court of last resort, be it CCJ or Privy Council.?

    I regard this as nothing more than the anguished cry of a disgruntled losing litigant…blame the court and not your not having the law on your side. The rationale for first joining the court in the first place has not changed…

  16. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    I would also like your views on the law that says, you commit an offence if you insult a policeman. I have witnessed a young man calling a policeman an idiot and being arrested for that offense.

    Caswell, this charge is hopelessly outdated. The sensitivities of a police officer as to his looks or intellect should not trump the freedom of expression of an individual citizen


  17. @ Hants

    Especially when dealing with the notorious corrupt Barbados Police Force who have more criminals on the inside than outside wider public.

  18. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    What kind of political correctness is this? Call it by its name , “Minorities” would have worked and “Blackish” works for a sitcom but not an opinion piece.

    @ Sarge, I think “minorities” is far too broad,since I have not seen that many Asians, for example, being accosted…and “blackish” expresses precisely those who are profiled, one does not have to be black in the popular sense of that word…indeed someone looking like Obama would likely be subject to police profiling…

  19. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Are you so bold as you opine on the story being carried in the local traditional media the PM has promised to exit the CCJ arrangement? This is an opposite position to Mia and the BLP. Could this be an eleventh hour platform debate designed to influence voters?

    @ David, I scarcely think the current electorate gives a fig about which is our final court, whether the CCJ, the JCPC or the local Court of Appeal…


  20. @Jeff

    Then it begs the question why bray the view at this time 3 days before general election becomes due?

  21. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Maybe, he is expecting another drubbing in the cement case

    Of course, it is not possible to withdraw from the original jurisdiction without a pullout from the entire Revised Treaty of Chaguaramas….

  22. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ The Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please

  23. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @Jeff

    Then it begs the question why bray the view at this time 3 days before general election becomes due?

    @ David, maybe a voice in his head…a whisper from his advisers…an assumption that we as a people will be jingoistic in respect of the decisions of state officers in Barbados? All of these? Or none of them?

  24. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @Jeff, what makes an officer of the court or a peace officer right and an average citizen wrong? The staure of the former or the grounding of the law upon which they supposedly firmly stand….or what makes the law officers liars: irrefutable video footage?

    @ DPD, It is not a matter of who may be right and who wrong…my point simply was that the assertion of a police officer that he was being obstructed in the execution of his duty if far more likely to resonate with the Barbadian magistrate than the testimony of the accused that he was simply exercising his freedom of expression. Especially if he has been asked to remove himself from the scene and has refused to do so.

  25. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    You noted that : “As the Commissioner rightly noted, there is no crime committed to record an incident involving the police, although to be fair to Bannister, I do not get the impression that he was contending the contrary but rather suggesting that it ought to be an offense.”

    I was of the impression that Bannister was calling for a new offense of video recording the police rather than subsuming it under the existing offense of obstruction…


  26. A view Jeff is that the prime minister is attempting to rally the DLP base.

  27. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Jeff, at days closure it’s really all semantics but I fully agree with Sargeant re the PC blackish. For want of a better phrase, I would say let’s call a spade a spade!

    People like President Obama or the exceedingly lovely Alicia Keys for example are BLACK in the eyes of a cop . Not blackish. And they are profiled as Black because in the hearts and minds of many of those police officers the old ‘dictum’ holds true….

    …”for purposes of representation in Congress, enslaved blacks in a state would be counted as three-fifths of the number of white inhabitants of that state.”

    No need now to be PC. The white population of that day and those after – particularly law officers- have understood that to mean…any black gene evidence is equal to being 100% Black so I can treat you as less than a human!

    It is what it is…cute words, a blackish president and blackish duchess of Sussex notwithstanding.

  28. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Jeff Cumberbatch May 20, 2018 10:46 AM

    Why not see it as the rant of a raving madman who is intoxicated with the poison of underserved political power.

    How can a jackass for a lawyer make an embarrassingly stupid statement of such mammoth contradiction?

    You just cannot talk about having no objection to the decisions of the CCJ while- from the other corner of your lying mouth- talk about withdrawing from the same institution of last resort for justice?

    So no Privy Council for Barbados like the other players who have not yet signed on to the CCJ? So what then?

    Must Bajans who seek justice be subject to the partisan political whims based on the dictates of Dictator Lord Fumble King Stuart along with his trusted advisor who has lost every case (LEC) before the same CCJ because of his sheer incompetence in such ‘weighty’ legal matters?

    BTW, was Hal G. ever one of your ‘brighter’ students or did he manage to barely slip through the cracks made for sheer incompetents on Cave Hill?


  29. I’m very impressed at the good gesture by this attorney who has reached out to the citizenry in the event they’re ever prosecuted for exercising their rights as endowed by the constitution of Barbados. What is sorely lacking in Barbados and throughout the region is that individuals having attained a higher level of academic enlightenment are not becoming guardians or their brothers keepers. What is most interesting and it is quite evident, to borrow a quote; we’re not hanging together but obviously separately.


  30. @ de pedantic Dribbler

    In the USA and CANADA Alicia Keys is BLACK.

    I can personally testify to that reality as I am a Bajan brown skin/ red fella.

  31. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Jeff, and now at 11:14 You are being TOO kind to your colleague. 😁

    To accept fully that ” Bannister was calling for a new offense of video recording the police…” is to go off at a full canter towards the type of legislation you cited in Spain, Belgium or Holland.

    Has this magistrate sat in courts in those jurisdictions and now wants to impose those type rulings here from his bench?

    There was NOTHING in your piece suggesting we are anywhere close to that type legislation…in fact you strongly suggested just the opposite.

    This magistrate by his off-hand remarks suggest a dangerous and lax concept of sound reasoning. In sum, poor judgement.

    One day I hope I can visit you at a diplomatic ‘court’ of repute (St. James, Brussels, Washington wherever) where you would be sitting as an outstanding representative of our nation because senor you are truly an excellent diplomat! No jest.


  32. @Jeff

    This case may strike back to the to the Systems Sales Ltd case the CCJ pissed on the local judiciary. More interestedly on Hal Gollop and Vernon Smith- close friends of Stuart- represented at the case at the CCJ.

    https://barbadosunderground.net/2015/02/21/barbados-and-ccj-in-a-tiiff/

  33. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    “What is sorely lacking in Barbados and throughout the region is that individuals having attained a higher level of academic enlightenment are not becoming guardians or their brothers keepers.”

    Exactly..many more Jeffs, Caswells etc are needed to enlighten and educate the public, most other professionals, politicians, ministers and community leaders much prefer keep all information away from the public leaving them in total, tortuous ignorance…..these are truly vile creatures.


  34. Eric Williams once said 1 from 10 = 0

    A strange arithmetic, but pleasing to the eye. Represents a certain logic.

    If most of the countries in the region are refusing to join, after nearly 10 years, we seem to recall

    Why should Barbados stay?

    If Stuart is right, that there are only two countries, as members, why continue with this fiction? This is not what its name says, not Caribbean, not a real court, not dispensing justice.

    Where is the nationalistic furor to repatriate the constitution from abroad?

    Because a DLP prime minister is saying leave and a BLP prime minister might have set it up.

    It’s amazing how petty the polity has grown.


  35. @Pacha

    Are our leaders expected to govern based on a nationalistic fervour?

    Btw Antigua promised last week to take the matter of joining the CCJ to a referendum. No need to remind you the hesitancy to join the CCJ by Caribbean countries comes against the background the British Privy Council is not as welcoming as in the past as it seeks to pull back from the former colonies.


  36. David

    If you have only two countries, as members, out of twenty something, after 10 years, and with Caribbean people voting, or otherwise choosing, not to join. Where, there is no popular basis for the existence of this court.

    Are you then saying that Barbados cannot be its own final court?

    Seems to us that most of the Caribbean is choosing to be their final appeal court by not joining the CCJ.

    That we had to wait for the Court of Appeal in Britain to tell us not to loiter on that prescient says more about us than them.

    Whether you realize it or not ‘nationalistic fervor’ is being imposed by all forces.


  37. On what basis can Barbados in practical terms propose it be the final court of appeal if we cannot manage routine backlog and other routine activities of a lower court? Further, what is the objective to being a signatory to Caricom?


  38. We wonder what it cost the government to be members of the CCJ?

    How come nobody is interested in the cost of supporting this legal regime?

    Especially, when it hears, not many cases every year.

    Why must Jamaicans or Trinidadians or the British be expected to render a justice totally devoid of bias? Where has such happened before?


  39. The British can’t manage these routine matters either, yet you have appealed to them for decades.

    You seem to hold fanciful notions about British legal culture.

    Why not appeal to yourself now?

    We have made a case about that the CCJ is unworthy of its name.

    And have asked some questions, ignored by you.


  40. Why must Jamaicans or Trinidadians or the British be expected to render a justice totally devoid of bias? Where has such happened before?

    The judges are required to apply commonwealth law as it relates to cases lodged from Barbados not so?


  41. You have asked questions that call for speculation in the main. It is documented how the CCJ operations is funded i.e. a bond which generates interest to underwrite operating cost.

  42. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    You have no functioning, fair and balanced judiciary, judges, magistrates and court officials are selected, not elected, based solely on political partisanship and yardfowlism as tools and weapons to be used later by government, against the same people who pay their salaries.the citizens… .Pacha..

    How will there ever be any judiciary free of corruption where average citizens can seek and get justice, it has not happened in over 60 years, has been particularly bad under this outgoing loser government, so what makes you think it will suddenly happen now.

    Besides, untangling from the revised treaty of chagaramas will be no cake walk….none of them in the outgoing government have the intelligence to pull that off smoothly and with their dummy lawyers beside them, would probably end up being sued. .

    Fruendolittle could not even chair Caricom without being seen as a sluggard and incompetent, causing Jamaica to threaten to pull out of Caricom cause he did absolutely nothing to advance the cause or engender confidence and progress in 8 years, just as he did as PM in Barbados….nothing.


  43. We known not, but if this final court is not making sense, why continue with a pretense, which ever law, Commonwealth or not.

    Somebody had to issue a bond, or some entity, and the operations of that entity reflects on the value of such a bond.

    This fanciful structuring does not entirely shield it from perceptions of bias.


  44. Police in the UK do not have a common law right to stop people filming or taking photographs. There is no right of privacy in the UK. However, under anti-terrorism legislation they can – and frequently do – on security grounds.


  45. @Pacha

    If there is a biase as you say then the decisions handed down by the CCJ have to stand the scrutiny of peer review not so? Certainly not critique coming from a lame duck politician.


  46. @Pacha

    Have a read about the particulars of the CCJ Trust Fund. It was contributed to by Caricom members from the proceeds of a CDB loan.

    Go figure.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Court_of_Justice


  47. Well Well

    We still the same people.

    Our is not the case you would want to make for us.

    We know all kinds of things wrong about local ‘injustice’ system.

    However, that is not the issue. We would prefer a well functioning Caribbean court with all countries or as many is practicable. Even Martinique and Guadeloupe, if possible.

    The issue is that you have had 10 years and there are only 2 members. This is not a Caribbean Court of Justice.

    Why continue with such a charade?

    Do you think that there could be anybody serving on such a count unknown to the rest of us, in the Caribbean.

  48. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    If you have only two countries, as members, out of twenty something, after 10 years, and with Caribbean people voting, or otherwise choosing, not to join. Where, there is no popular basis for the existence of this court.

    Are you then saying that Barbados cannot be its own final court?

    Seems to us that most of the Caribbean is choosing to be their final appeal court by not joining the CCJ.

    That we had to wait for the Court of Appeal in Britain to tell us not to loiter on that prescient says more about us than them.

    Whether you realize it or not ‘nationalistic fervor’ is being imposed by all forces.

    @Pachamama,

    There are in fact four jurisdictions that have the CCJ as their final Court of Appeal and there are NOT “twenty something” possible members
    Of course, Barbados may be its own final court, but current performance would not support such an initiative.

    Indeed the majority of jurisdictions continue to loiter on the steps of a reluctant Judicial Committee of Her Majesty’s Privy Council after over half a century of flag and anthem independence/ Would we be ready to accept a Parliament of British MPs as constituting our Legislature or Cabinet? Why then are we willing yo accept their judges as our highest court?


  49. The good news is Fruendel took a serious beating from all quarters on his really foolish mouthings;

    politicians and ministers are still yet to learn that they should not individually and singularly make decisions of such a magnitude for the citizens….it should be put to the people via referendum.

    Antigua and Barbuda are asking the citizens their opinion on joining CCJ.

    Freundel is dictating that he is leaving CCJ, it is not his decision to make and he is way out of line.

    enough with the little hitler politicians on the island.

    Maybe now he will shut up and let the few days pass so he can be kicked to the curb.

    Pacha…the only people complaining about the CCJ are politicians from Barbados and their incompetent lawyers who do not follow the law, but want to win cases based solely on political party affiliation, which minority can pay them the most and corruption…as they do on the island…the CCJ don’t play those nasty games, so they will never be liked or appreciated by Fruendel & Co.


  50. David

    You’re behaving like a setting fowl.

    ””If there is a biase as you say then the decisions handed down by the CCJ have to stand the scrutiny of peer review not so?

    No, If its a final court, there is no review by anybody else.

    When we say bias, we did not mean the political interpretation given it by you.

    We meant internal biases, that we all generally have. Some prefer the death penalty others not, eg

    ””””””’Certainly not critique coming from a lame duck politician.”””””””

    So a man who is fighting for a third terms is not to say what he wants to do?

    It this not what this silly season is about?

    Were it not ‘lame ducks’ who set up this court, in the first place?

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